Welcome to liveblogging day 6 Zimmerman trial afternoon session

Monday, July 1, 2013

Afternoon Session

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1,109 Responses to Welcome to liveblogging day 6 Zimmerman trial afternoon session

  1. bonniespapermache says:
    July 2, 2013 at 6:57 am

    A few comments ;

    When Angela Corey made her announcement that Z was being charged she ended it by thanking the Sanford Police Dept for thier “tremendous help” to her office.
    Hmmmm……

    How can Serino say he believes Z yet wanted him charged with manslaughter ?

    Last night on Anderson Cooper 360 several lawyers said they believed the detectives who took the stand were “paying back” the prosecution for taking over their case ..
    I was appauled hearing that. Are these “so called” professionals that childish ? Don’t grown ups work together to work for justice ?
    I would like to smack the grin off Mark Geragoes face .
    He acts like this is
    funny!

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  2. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Humph. New name for Fogen supporters, Treestump or otherwise, courtesy of Word.A.Day:

    A.Word.A.Day
    with Anu Garg

    The French writer and philosopher Albert Camus once said, “Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.” Can you recognize people like that around you? This week’s words will help you describe them.
    mumpsimus

    PRONUNCIATION:
    (MUMP-suh-muhs)

    MEANING:
    noun:
    1. A view stubbornly held in spite of clear evidence that it’s wrong.
    2. A person who holds such a view.

    ETYMOLOGY:
    According to an old story, a priest used the nonsense word mumpsimus (instead of Latin sumpsimus) in the Mass. Even when told it was incorrect, he insisted that he had been saying it for 40 years and wouldn’t change it. The expression is “quod in ore sumpsimus” (‘which we have taken into the mouth’). Earliest documented use: 1530.

    USAGE:
    “She knows the boss’s behavior is wrong but mumpsimus has set in.”
    Mary Lou Dobbs; Repotting Yourself; O Books; 2010.

    “Do not be a mumpsimus about networking. … Resist the popular notion that networking is all fake sincerity and pushy behavior.”
    Dean Lindsay; Cracking the Networking Code; World Gumbo; 2005

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  3. Abraham Jones says:
    July 1, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    My prediction is that the jury will convict Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge. It’s unfortunate but at least they’ll get him on something. The state simply is not being aggressive enough. I really think that their comfortable with a lesser charge.

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  4. diary73 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Patricia, I posted a question for you up thread. Exactly what did you do, step by step, to get a seat. I am back in Florida near Sanford for the week and would love to attend one day before I leave. Where do I park? That’s where I got lost today.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 8:56 pm

      diary — I believe Seminole Supervisor of Elections office is handling ducats for public seating.

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      • Trained Observer says:
        July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm

        There are 24 seats available for each day court is in session.

        Those interested in entering must submit name and phone number at the Elections office, one day prior to the court date they wish to attend. Those selected will be notified by phone and given instructions for picking up their visitor pass at the courthouse the following morning. Photo ID will be required.

        The office at 1500 E. Airport Blvd. in Sanford will be open for the lottery Monday through Friday, from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m.

        For more info, go to the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit website at http://www.flcourts18.org.

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  5. RastaGirl says:
    July 1, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Is it me? Or have all headlines turned into Zimmerman Prosecution has problems… Ugh

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 9:54 pm

      That’s why the jury is sequestered.

      We should take all the media yak with a grain of salt too.

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  6. Malisha says:
    July 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    I believe the question of “if you take pathological lying off the table, isn’t it true that what’s left is telling the truth?” is just nuts, but the fact that there was no objection to it allowed it to become an issue in this “search for the truth.” It’s gotta be a classic. If you take MURDER off the table, what’s left? Self-defense. If you take FAULT off the table, what’s left? NO FAULT. In any other kind of case it would work just as well. If you take RAPE off the table, what’s left? Consensual sex. If you take GUILTY off the table, what’s left? NOT GUILTY. It’s ridiculous.

    Look at it, though. Singleton and Serino both knew that Fogen was lying. They were not allowed to say so; it could not be more clear or more obvious. Serino says, about “going in the same direction,” “THAT’S FOLLOWING.” He says, about “fucking punks,” “NOT A PUNK.” He knew what the deal was when he did the interviews and Singleton did too. But they had both been illegally TOLD that they could not charge Fogen with a crime.

    So they caved. They did not join the demonstrations. They hid. They saved their asses and they saved their jobs and they saved their families from financial hardships. And then what? THe case that was supposed to go away did not go away. It got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and it got so big it became obvious it would NEVER go away.

    BDLR is part of a deal. I believe the deal was brokered by Baez and that it consists of prosecuting Fogen (and this will succeed) while protecting SPD (and this will succeed). So wherever there is a choice of making a point while sacrificing someone in SPD, the choice is “skip that point and move on.” But when there is no conflict involved (as in forensics, etc.), the prosecution will be tip-top-can’t be beat.

    We are seeing modern life in action. It is a big lie, really. In this case, because the people of this country arose in indignation that a self-righteous racist criminal was being permitted to walk away fro the deliberate murder of an innocent child, we have achieved a prosecution that we would otherwise have never seen. AND some racist punks who would otherwise go out and delightedly score against some AA teen-ager in the future are on notice that it could be detrimental to their financial health and maybe even their freedom. None of them really wants a year and a half of what Fogen has gone through, even to this point. But really, is this country willing to blame a whole police department for causing a situation in which any immoral bastard felt free to kill a kid? No. No. We really are not ready to assign blame to authorities who operate corrupt organizations.

    I believe a RICO case should be brought against SPD. But it will not happen. And I believe a test case for the life interest should be brought against SPD. Perhaps that will happen, but unlikely.

    Meanwhile, here’s what I believe we will achieve: conviction.
    And then the SPD will get a blessing and will walk away resentful and morally filthy but essentially unbowed.

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    • aussie says:
      July 1, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      But what did MOM do???

      He rang the bell of “pathological liar”.

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      I think you’re right and hope that at the very least, the conviction comes out of all this.

      What a mighty lot of people ole Fogen has affected.

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    • Elizabeth says:
      July 2, 2013 at 7:38 am

      Malisha you nailed again in your first paragraph.
      Wasn’t it the weirdest thing when Omara wanted Serino to agree
      that(in short) that when someones statements were exactly the same each and everytime an investigator took them it would
      indicate lying. Inconsistencies however…bla bla.
      Serino said well … in some cases..,perhaps..or.but finally said there were no inconcistencies in the first two by Fogen that he
      could point to at that time.
      So,huh?
      No inconsistencies=liar right?

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  7. Herman Jackson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Ok. I have a question. I’ve been following this blog for a while. There is a pic being used by both sides. It’s the back of GZ’s head. It shows a couple of scratches and blood flowing. It also shows a huge bald spot. GZ has a lot of problems but far as I can see, a bald spot is not ne of them. Is it a camera angle or a fake pic?

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    • ZCBest says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:51 pm

      I think it is just too poor quality of a black and white image to tell much of anything. It was one of the things the defense didn’t like about media coverage was that the color photo of GZ’s minor injuries wasn’t out for a long time. The bald spot shown is just because of the black and white copy of the original photo. More than likely it was a photo copy or a print off on a black and white printer.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      Herman — sometimes in the courtroom it looks like Fogen’s a little light in the back. Not bald by any means. But on his way, if thinning out is any indication.

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  8. riisey007 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    So how long do you think it will be after Zimmerman is convicted that he will implicate Osterman,Taafe, Shellie, and others? I don’t think Zimmerman will want to go down alone. He will start running that mouth in hopes that he can get something out of it. He was not acting alone. We shall see.

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  9. dianetrotter says:
    July 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    We must remember it is a process. It is a lengthy process that requires dotting all the I’s, crossing all the T’s, and touching all the bases. It cannot be done in one day. The opposition went to law school also so it may not be a breeze; however, if you are going for the truth, you have to be patient and methodical.

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  10. ladystclaire says:
    July 1, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Why did they redact a lot that was on those tapes? I’m trying to stay positive because, this guy needs to pay for his crime. there is no way between here and hell, that I would ever step foot in the state of Florida again. as a matter of fact, my son’s father was murdered in Florida and, it seems to me that, Florida is the murder capital of the country.

    I pray that Trayvon and his family will get justice and, if not by the state doing the right thing by this kid and his family, then let the feds have a go at his ass. those in LE on the stand today, should hang their heads in shame because, they both know that this murder wasn’t committed in self defense. I also pray that this will not be another Casey Anthony.

    When are we going to see the most incriminating evidence, that the prosecution held back until trial? hopefully the defense won’t be able to turn the ME and, what ever doctors that may be lined up to testify for the defense.

    A child is gone too soon at the hands of this defendant and, here we have people who know more than what they are telling, as well as LE want him to get away with his crime.

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  11. Chris Ericksen says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT: That is what this is all about: the wrong charge has set many a perpetrator free.

    GZ’s phone calls to the police were certainly reasonable. given the recent history of break-in in the complex, but about every other action he took had no thought as to consequences (or didn’t take, such as identifying himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer) .

    GZ brought a gun into a darkened area; surely should have occurred to him that someone could leap out of the darkness, overcome him, find and grab his weapon, and then shoot not only him, but any witnesses. His thoughtless actions certainly must have caused Trayvon real concern, and Trayvon would have had every right to punch GZ when GZ went into his pocket for his cell phone: Trayvon wasn’t a mind-reader; he came from an area where weapon-carrying was commonplace- what was he to think? There had to have been racial concerns in Trayvon’s mind- aft3er all, he had done absolutely nothing wrong.

    GZ had had taken some classes re crime prevention; is actions contradicted common sense: the charge should reflect this: would have an excellent chance of bringing in a guilty verdict.

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    • cielo62 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Chris- murder two is very provable. GZ had the indifference and a depraved mindset. This was actually under charged, as testimony will show that GZ had no reason and more than enough time to NOT pull the trigger. Murder 1 is actually what we have here. But murder two is just as good. As long as he’s gone for a very very long time.

      FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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  12. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Another Qoute from the Hitch hikers Guide To The Universe can sum up progress for foggagge today.

    NOTHING CONTINUED TO HAPPEN.

    Same as conditions inside the foggagge one brain?

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  13. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Remember. Serino is still on the stand. Let’s just hope that BDLR has something up his sleeve. Mind you, he barely questioned Serino. I am hoping it is a calculated strategy. Let’s see what he does tomorrow. Again, the examination of Serino is not done and he seems to want to drop the hammer on Zimmerman based on some of his answers to MOM.

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  14. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I guess we are being “pessimistic” watching the Titan sink before our very eyes because the Captain and his crew are playing fiddles on the ship, instead of sounding the alarm. Perhaps. I guess we try to be optimistic if we are given something to be optimistic about but so far the prosecution has been terribly mum to the point we are hearing nothing OMara and his twisted line of questioning.
    But I suppose we should be more optimistic for the victims family and the victim. But the prosecution is giving us no cause for celebration because they aren’t fighting back or perhaps they arent sure what they should be doing.

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  15. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    New post up:

    Sixth day of trial ends in Zimmerman case

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  16. KA says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    I have to believe that all of this sets a stage. The discussion with Serino and Singleton were damning to GZ. The things that MOM is trying to emphasize is being allowed and okay because the state have not brought in their medical, ballistics, and forensic experts to show that the statement given to police, and the Serino’s impression of that is not valid because the physical evidence does not support it.

    Sidewalk story = impossible (injuries, no blood on sidewalk/trayvon, no witnesses)
    Chasing (in car and foot) = established
    Trayvon on the phone until 120 seconds before death = established
    Trayvon “beating his ass” = Impossible (no DNA evidence to support)
    GZ was on the bottom of the fight = impossible (Ballistics, eye witnesses)

    Out of everything, honestly, I have always thought the most powerful evidence which precludes self defense is the trajectory, bullet location, and holes in shirt. Showing it is near impossible for GZ to have been on bottom when the shot fired is the key to eliminate justifiable homicide.

    They haven’t really got to that.

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  17. KittySP says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    I’m sure hoping the jury really considers what Serino and Singleton were getting at in the audio/videos taped interviews and not so much what they’re saying on MOMs cross.

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:54 pm

      Its a damn.shame they have to figure.that out on.theier own. Anyone sitting here saying BDLR did the best job with theae two witnesses are DELUSIONAL. He absolutely could have closed the door on MOMs cross by getting.them to be consistent with what they said in their interviews.

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      • KittySP says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm

        I think once the ME, DNA, ballistics, evidence is presented and they don’t match up…it becomes a at matter of common sense, if they examine all evidence in context… Weed out all the illogical mess…they’ll come back with a conviction.

        My concern with MOM is that he’s been on both sides of the process…so I get the feeling he is looking at the evidence and is strategizing not only from defense perspective but also how he would try the case from prosecution point of view. In doing so, he’s able to gain the upper hand and end up having even the strongest prosecution witness, look like one for the defense.

        We also have to be mindful that even though he’s flashing those pics of GZs baby boo-boos, that Serino, EMT, and PA consider minor…the presence, severity, or lack thereof, isn’t needed for him to have had reasonable fear under the law. Now we all know that’s a bunch of crap. But again, MOM was able to plant that seed of reasonable doubt.

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        • cielo62 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 7:16 pm

          KittySP- agreed except for the reasonable fear part. Based on those MINOR injuries, GZ had ZERO basis for a reasonable person to fear for his life. The standard is “a reasonable person” NOT a paranoid racist stalking black males for months. That is not reasonable.

          FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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          • tashatexas77048 says:
            July 2, 2013 at 4:51 am

            That clearly came out today. Guy said Fogen would tell us why he killed Martin and he did. He thought Trayvon was a source of the crime in his neighborhood. Every statement started with ” there had been some crimes in the area.” –

  18. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    There saveing therebest for rebuttal.

    Wait until the Martin Family take the stand to identify TRAYVONS SCREAMS

    All your concerns will melt away Im telling you this is in the bag trust me Im not a lawer or even play one on tv.

    ps
    Sorry Prof.

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  19. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Let’s talk a little Conspiracy Theory:

    Q: If you’re Rick Scott, what’s the LAST thing you want to come out of this trial? The thing you want most of all to AVOID?

    A: a DOJ investigation of the SPD.

    Q: How do you keep that from happening?

    A: Make Zimmerman the one and only fall guy.

    If GZ gets convicted, all the shit will die down. If GZ gets off, it won’t. Just think about how all the posts on this blog focus on ‘Fogen.’ There will be great cheers here if he gets convicted. The vast majority of us will take a breather from our Martin/Zimmerman exhaustion and go back to our everyday lives. There will be no significant pressure on the DOJ, and the Obama Administration has enough hot button issues to deal with they’ll let this one drop. If GZ gets off, a lot of us will still be here, hanging on Ben Crump’s next move. Al Sharpton will be back on the air. The pressure will be on the DOJ…

    Conclusion: I don’t think Bernie’s tanking it.

    So the question becomes, does he have more up his sleeve, or is he just not the badass prosecutor he’s cracked up to be?

    Honestly, I don’t know. But here’s a thought:

    This investigation was taken away from the SPD and handed to the FDLE. If BDLR needs cops to testify to the inconsistencies between GZ’s statements and the known facts he doesn’t have to rely on Singleton and Serino. He’s got the FDLE investigators who took up the case to query on the stand if he wants to: Batchelor, Gilbreath, O’Steen… They may (or may not) tell a different story.

    Remember, the Martin family and their supporters just wanted a trial. I think they would have been satisfied with a manslaughter charge going forward. But the State brought Murder 2. I doubt Angela Corey is the type to pull a Murder 2 charge out of her butt. She’s a political creature, and I doubt she would make a charge in a high profile case unless she thought she could make it stick. Plus, she has to have been aware of the possibilities of losing due to the Casey Anthony verdict. And Corey and BDLR are big 2nd Amendment supporters: I doubt they show up at a gunfight without the necessary ammo…

    Just my 2¢.

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    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      Whonoze:

      You bring up valid points. And I hope you are right. I pray that you are right about BDLR having something up his sleeve.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm

      whonoze –your analysis is worth far more than 2 cents.

      I would underscore two additional key points: Fogen made himself the fall guy the moment he did what he did, putting a bullet through Trayvon Martin’s heart. Not because he had to, as John Guy so effectively pointed out, but because he wanted to.

      Rick Scott’s odds of re-election are minimal. But they drop to zilch if Fogen gets off. and state tourism plummets because of unwarranted fears. Angela Corey brought out the M2 because she has the goods, of which I don’t think we’ve even begun to see. .

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    • ks says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm

      THANK YOU! It’s stunning that people who’ve followed the case don’t see the SPD vs FDLE angle. SThe case was taken from the SPD and handled by FDLE. The prosecution play is for Singleton and Serino to come in and lay the groundwork for GZ’s officials statements and then have the folks who did the investigation of them (FDLE) that lead to the Murder 2 change to come in and point out the obvious lies.

      So of cures Singleton and Serino are going to hedge though Serino had a a nice thing going with the “not at this time..” line. and then the FDLE investigators will come in and close the door.

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      • ZCBest says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:47 pm

        Kudos ks for laying out the prosecutions strategy so nicely!

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      • MedicineBear says:
        July 1, 2013 at 8:00 pm

        Nice! Once I came to the realization (late today) that SPD witnesses can’t be the ones to highlight all the INCONSISTENCIES in fogen’s stories (since those very SPD players DIDN’T PROSECUTE those inconsistencies) — I was hoping for some 3rd party (outside of SPD) to testify about the INCONSISTENCIES in fogen’s recorded interviews that we saw today. Hallelujah! Thank you for bringing FDLE to my attention — THEY can testify about the mass of INCONSISTENCIES in these recorded interviews. (Word for tomorrow: INCONSISTENCIES. Every question that the Prosecution asks should contain the word “INCONSISTENCIES”!)

        You made my day! (Actually REVIVED dashed idealism).

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    • diary73 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 7:07 pm

      Thank you, whonoze.

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  20. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Professor:

    There are folks now talking about a direct verdict after the prosecution rests its case. Based on the poor performance of the prosecution today, I am questioning whether this is not out of the realm of possibility.

    What do you think?

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  21. ZCBest says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I am checking out for a while because I can’t stand how wishy washy sone of you are being in your posts. The trial is not over. You are not on the jury so everything that we are doing is speculating based on the evidence.

    Anyone who is not ready to throw in the towel can reply to this thread. Any pessimists, as a matter of fact, I have nothing else to say to you.

    That is all.

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    • crazy1946 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm

      I’ll lift my rock up just a little bit and throw out a white flag! Please forgive me for expressing my frustration with the day in anger! ;-(

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      • ZCBest says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm

        I could never be mad at you crazy1946!

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        • crazy1946 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 7:20 pm

          If only we had the courage that Trayvons parents have shown during this trial! Now that I have had three pots of coffee, probably won’t sleep for the next month, I have my positive outlook back in place. I could give the excuse that my day was not good, but that would not actually excuse my poor judgment in venting my frustrations with todays events… Thanks for just being there to push me back in the right direction!

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    • YQ says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm

      i don’t know what trial everyone else is looking at, i’m getting the sense that the jury was more compelled with the audio of the interrogation. we’ve seen the map that clearly details that he followed. i don’t think serino hurt the prosecution’s case at all since he testified that it was Zimmerman in the interrogation audio. he also said the he didn’t think Zimmermans injuries were life threatening. some important details came out imo

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  22. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    remember
    hitch hicker guide to the univers DONT PANIC.

    The defence do not know what or how to explain away the

    T
    No matter how they try nothing they do or say will remotely resemble anything coherent about the TEA.

    They can try an fail as no where no how has anything they or there client foggagge said made the slightest bit of sence of ocurrance at the
    T

    So it may be brown it may be liquid it may even be hot it may be diohrea

    BUT IT IS DEFINATLY NOTHING LIKE TEA.

    An anu afficandos of the hitch hikers guide to the UNIVERSE.

    I THANK YOU.

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  23. MedicineBear says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    It seems as though OMar was pretty confident that he was going to get “yes” as the answer to fogen “telling the truth?” or he wouldn’t have asked the question.

    I think the Defense is not only getting Z-CAC off, but the racist SPD as well in this case!

    If they testify that Zimmerman SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED given the evidence they had, the LE witnesses in this case are the ones who would essentially be testifying AGAINST THEMSELVES in how they mishandled this case initially (before it got kicked up to the State Attorneys Office).

    The fix is in — and it smells like self-preservation.

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm

      That smells the same as “No Equal Protection Under The Law” for Trayvon and other innocents. All to protect one man, Wolfinger.

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      • willisnewton says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:55 pm

        Wolfinger is the mystery behind the enigma that is Chris Serino.

        An elected official, Wolfinger quietly announced he was no longer running for office in the wake of the state appointing a special prosecutor.

        If anyone owes the people an answer as to what the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is about HIS behavior, it’s norm wolfinger. But we are NOT going to hear it.

        He refused an interview from the PULITZER PRIZE WINNING reporter from the New York Times who was charged with writing THE major article on the whole case. If he did no wrong, what does he have to hide?

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  24. looolooo says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    professor. Is THIS what you’re talking about when you warned us about “ebbing a flowing”?! PLEASE say yes! I ‘m trembling in fear!!!

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  25. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    lol, if he was honest up that point then why did they call him back for 3 different times?

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    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm

      Good question.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm

      because they couldnt find a witness to the start of the fight and so needed to keep giving this guy enough rope to hang himself, which they did and he did.

      Then the world learned about Dee Dee/Rachel J after Serino was no longer in charge of the case.

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  26. Chris Ericksen says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I am not clear on whether GZ actually ever admitted to asking Trayvon what he was doing there, I had seen on a blog that he supposedly contradicted himself compared to what we heard today- that the first words were from Trayvon ( What’s your problem.”. I haven’t been able recently to find the recordings; don’t know they’ve been removed from the Net.

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  27. mrsdoubtfire says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    This should have been BDLR’s finest hour. He blew it . And wilth the guy who recommended that Z be charged with second degree murder. I truly worry about this Prosecution team. Tell me Im crazy. I want to be crazy

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      Not crazy.

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    • KateW says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      You aren’t crazy. Cause I have the same concerns. Why isn’t he fired up and debunking and questioning. He’s too subdued and where are his partners? What are they doing. Ok. Those are thoughts in my head but like others have said perhaps we are being a bit premature. When they start wrapping it up then maybe we should be concerned if the prosecution team is shrugging their shoulders.

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  28. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Question. They will never hear about the perjury during the bail hearing will they?

    I am very curious as to what Guy and the other prosecuting attorney are doing over there. Tweeting? FAcebooking? They just seem really quiet.

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  29. sparger says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    I think they can prove his is a pathological liar. George lied about school,mentoring kids, his wife schooling, He lied about stuff they had no bearing on his case to make himself look better.

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  30. Nellie Nell says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    MOM going on and on and on to get the witness to agree with what he says is what is confusing me. He pretended that he was going to let Serino tell his procedure and then once he got to the part that I do not think MOM wanted to hear, MOM took over again.

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  31. Katie O Grady (@KatieOGrady4) says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    if fogen was so credible,why is he seated at the doc? anyone Beuller?

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      Because the evil Negro people wanted him there. Haven’t you followed along with.this theme before and now during the trial? Threats of riots during voir dire? Hello?

      Reply
  32. ay2z says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Maybe they are not going to get this from Serino, what does it matter what a cop’s opinion is? I thought opinion was for experts and that LE’s testimony was to be given no more weight than any other witness, civilian or not.

    Isn’t it better to get gz on the stand? And can they do this more easily by not making Serino the center of controversy using his ‘opinion’?

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:30 pm

      It is better to close.all.the doors before the defense opens them with your witness. Im sick of BDLR and his.sloppy direct and cross.examinations.

      Reply
      • willisnewton says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm

        isnt that re-direct instead of cross? but yes it seems he is attempting to simplify things a lot where he could match the defense with not-picking and doesnt. Maybe thats a choice….

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    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      Material differences on the map/timeline isn’t “opinion”. Material difference between where fogen told Singleton he was dropped from the first punch and the actual crime scene is not “opinion”.

      These are facts. Material facts and they should have been testified to by the “lead detective” who was represented to the jury as having been over the entire investigation and had access to “ALL” the evidence.

      Fogen won;t take the stand, now. He doesn’t need to. Singleton and Serino have authenticated his statements to the jury, and told them there are *no inconsistencies to be concerned about* and that he’s telling the “truth”, respectively. To counter their testimony means impeaching their own witnesses.

      OK, going for my cup of tea now. Be back after I calm down. I’m so fucking furious right now, my hands are shaking!

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    • Beverly says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm

      Getting Z on the stand is completely up to him and his attys….their choice.

      Reply
  33. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    If fogen is convicted, will he have the ability to sue SPD for letting him go and then arresting him after public pressure on appeal, because he seems like the type of scum to do that? Is that why they are being careful with the testimony and making agreements on what these officers are allowed to say or be asked during testimony?

    Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm

      The SPD didn’t arrest him on their dime. He was arrested after being charged by the special prosecutor.

      Reply
      • Sabrina B. says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm

        Yes. I understand that. My question is why they are fielding questions on the stand the way they are now. It is apparent they did not believe him on tape. Now they are conceding that that disbelieve could have been wrong? Just wondering that if they admit that they didn’t believe him and fogen is convicted, if he can turn around and sue SPD for letting him go when they didn’t believe him or at least claim that his trial was unfair because they missed crucial evidence that could have exonerated him if these two investigators had gone followed through on their disbelief.

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        • Beverly says:
          July 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm

          The short answer is someone can sue someone else for most anything; that does not mean it will be successful.

          Reply
  34. Shari says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    xxx Prof please weigh in.

    Reply
  35. smokeegyrl says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    OK… now we worry… because I thought that Serino would bring it home with this interview… but he didn’t… something is not right here… The only thing I seen… is when Serino mentioned that his hits didn’t match the 25-30 blow that Fogen said… that Fogen mention he helped Afro American children why not help Trayvon… instead of shooting him… I thought I heard Serino said he didn’t believe him. … i need to listen to it again.. but I am at loss for word.s

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  36. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    He says on the stand he is telling the truth and yet in his interrogation it is obvious he had doubts, it is obvious the other detective had doubts. Now, unequivocally the guy is a saint of some sort? He says one thing on the stand but sounds very skeptical on the tapes. No wonder he was put on desk duty or wherever they sent him.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      Serino said it was a mild challenge interview – he had GZ making statements and he kept getting them all into the record. That was where he felt the investigation was at that point. Until he had something strong to challenge with he didnt try. This is what he is saying, anyway.

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  37. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

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  38. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm

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  39. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    The condemnations and panic are premature. Wait until the prosecution settles. If BDLR hasn’t brought it by the closing argument, THEN you can panic.

    As for Serino. He’s not done testifying….

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      He might as well be. Whats the state gonna do impeach their coworker?

      Reply
      • ks says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm

        They don’t have to impeach him. On redirect, they simply have to go back to Serino’s earlier answer which was “not at this/that time”. He already answered a version of MOM’s question several times before he rephrased it.

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      Also, I’ve always thought that this case will be won by the prosecution with Fogen’s own words. All the witnesses will say whatever their truth is, but it’s Fogen’s words that will stick with the jury and he’s not looking too good and he damn well knows it.

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    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      ok
      I am not panicking but I am condemning
      This guy is a liar and lied on the dead, lied on the person he killed, he needs to be revealed as such

      nil nisi bonum

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      • Two sides to a story says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:18 pm

        I think the jury will see this from Fogen’s interviews.

        Reply
        • tashatexas77048 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

          Really? Without the state showing the biggest lie is where he started chasing Trayvon? What kind of super jury is going to figure this out?

          Reply
          • ZCBest says:
            July 1, 2013 at 5:40 pm

            A super jury that gets to take all the evidence with them into deliberations. No need to prematurely go nuts on this. It’s a marathon not a race and the state is doing exactly what they should be doing.

    • Puck says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      Yeah, and there’s that little matter of FORENSICS. Was there any consensus as to the accuracy of GPS and if it will come in? I’m thinking that a stretch of back-and-forth texts would ping the cell tower more often and provide more data, but I don’t know too much about those things. You might.

      If locations and movements of GZ and TM can be demonstrated, then THAT will establish that GZ’s “consistent” accounts were all lies.

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    • KateW says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      Yes, wait until the end. Hopefully they will summarize and highlight all key points Mr. Guy so passionately put on in his opening statements. I just have to close my eyes in the mean time.

      Reply
      • jm says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm

        I can’t watch any more. This is one of the most depressing days yet in this trial. I listen to MOM spin and witnesses agree with him, even contradict their prior testimony. This has been 1 ugly trial and I can’t help but wonder if it is fixed to lose. After Mr. Guy’s open, I was sure prosecution would win but now ……………….

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      • KateW says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

        Key points should be the kid was not committing a criminal act or doing anything that would warrant any kind of suspicious activity, walking along the sidewalk is not suspicious. Next, Trayvon was making his way away from a perceived threat, someone following him in the dark. Next key point should be this man got out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon to head towards a “perceived threat” instead of allow the authorities, he called, to determine if the threat was actual or perceived. He could have simply gotten an address off any number of homes by his truck on the major street. Key points on various inconsistent statements and superficial, non life threatening injuries. Key point that Rachel Jeantel heard the actual confrontation initiated by the defendant and she is the only true witness has to what had transpired that led to the altercation.

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        • Nellie Nell says:
          July 1, 2013 at 5:52 pm

          Reading some of the comments make me panic. I think the tapes speak for themselves until MOM get up there running his trap and getting people to agree with him and that is sickening to watch.

          Thanks for pulling me back in!

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    • ks says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm

      VERY premature. We all just listened to almost an entire day of GZ lying his ass off and the jury seems particularly interested in what he actually said as opposed to GZ’s team’s spin. The last question to Serino was a “media moment” for MOM but will fall by the wayside soon.

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    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:25 pm

      I understand that Whonoze, BUT, not only did Bernie not ask Serino about the two drafts and actual capias request establishing that Serino never believed him from jump; BDLR didn’t even MENTION the difference from the “altercation at the T” and the difference to the crime scene where Trayvon lay.

      He didn’t ask the tech who took the pictures and that was okay because she didn’t know fogen’s story. But, Serino had been AT the crime scene and he KNEW that fogen’s statement was undisputably, materially changed from what he told Singleton about being dropped by a single punch at the T, and his walk through. Who else do you get to make that point, except the lead investigator? Even Gilbreath said the evidence was the body, the shell casings and his statements. BDLR didn’t question Serino on any of it. Nor, any of the material inconsistencies some of the very smart people who post here, pointed out in the map/timeline.

      BDLR should have gone through those inconsistencies one by one. Who else can testify to them? Gilbreath, instead of the detective who did the questioning in the moment? It just doesn’t make sense.

      It takes ALOT for me to condemn BDLR, but I’m seriously furious right now. SERIOUSLY FURIOUS.

      Maybe a cup of tea and some mundane tasks will calm me down.

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      • ks says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm

        BDLR is not finished with Serino yet. Remenber how earlier in the day when folks were on Singleton’s case then the interview tapes came out with Serino? Also, most of Serino’s cross was good for the prosecution? Let’s not fall into the spin zone.

        What’s was telling to me was the reported interest the Jury had in listening to GZ’s lies.

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        • Nef05 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm

          BDLR is finished with his DIRECT examination of Serino. He cannot bring up any information that was not in O’Mara’s cross. That’s what direct examination was for.

          Earlier in the day, we knew we had Serino, the lead detective, coming up after Singleton. There is no further fall back detective who was “in the moment”, with access to ALL the evidence. Singleton and Serino were it.

          Anyone else should have been brought on to support Serino’s conclusions, based on evidence Serino collected as lead investigator. Anyone else’s conclusions are second hand, at best.

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    • Deborah Moore says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:27 pm

      Thank you.
      (Not finish testifying.)
      I don’t understand all the ney-saying in the afternoons.
      Keep the faith until you know something for fact.

      Reply
    • YQ says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      I think that jurors are more concerned with audio of the interrogation now. o’mara is trying to smear it, but he hadn’t got to why Serino filed manslaughter charges. He really wasn’t concerning his questioning with the interrogation. serino had no choice but to say he felt the defendant was honest at the point because otherwise there would have been an arrest and manslaughter charges placed.

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  40. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    2 officers say he was consistant wtf??

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  41. Danita says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    OMG what is happening here, Serino seemed to fold on the stand and Omara got him just where he wanted. He covered all the rumors that plagued this case and completely made Serino look meek. Im having a change of perspective based on this trial turning into what a lot of crimes against AA, where they have a trial so that they can at the very least say:”well he did have a trial”so that keeps AA from feeling completely at a loss when he gets off. This starts off well and then it seems BDLR throws in the towel so to speak…..Im in need of some clarity really bad…..

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      Yep. Wtf is the purpose of the state calling witness es and not explaining why they are being called, letting them off the stand without asking basic questions and letting the defense run out the clock? I told y’all early on I was mad as phuck and that hasn’t changed.

      Reply
  42. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    theve heard him lie over an over again.

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  43. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    What just happened

    The State just put foggagge on the stand b proxy.
    An the JURY LIKE US WILL SEE THE SHIT HE IS FULL OFF.

    SIMPLES.

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  44. HereslookingatYou says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    if there are only two choices and you take one off obviously there is only one left ..ok so take he was telling the truth off the table…
    pathological liar left…

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  45. MedicineBear says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    ———————————-TM MURDER TRIAL — DAY 6 — July 1, 2013 — NOTES ON PROCEEDINGS————

    MONDAY July 1, 2013 AFTERNOON SESSION

    July 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm EDT
    AFTERNOON SESSION
    Officer Singleton’s Testimony resumes

    State Exhibit 47 — picture of Zimmerman face

    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
    Leelee says:
    “I never expected this hostility from her, I am about to pass out.”
    —Reply
    July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    Frederick Leatherman says:
    “Her hostility surprised me too.”

    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
    Nef05 says:
    “I suspect this testimony illustrates why Serino was bumped down and she wasn’t. Interesting how all these “didn’t think it was suspicious” when clearly in the later

    interrogation she, herself, caught fogen in a bunch of lies.
    Serino is not in uniform.”

    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm EDT
    Officer Christopher Serino to the witness stand

    July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
    State’s Exhibit 179 — 02/27/13 12:05 am Audio Interview — Det. Serino w/Zimmerman
    Begin playing audio interview w/questioning of Det. Serino
    Showing pictures of Zimmerman’s face

    July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    Frederick Leatherman says:
    “Serino believed the defendant’s injuries were ‘minor.’”

    July 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    Playing Video “Re-Enactment”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    State’s Exhibit 180 — 45min. Audio/Video Interview Weds 02/29/12 — Det. Serino and Singleton w/Zimmerman
    Begin playing audio/video interview w/questioning of Det. Serino

    July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    MedicineBear says:
    “Notice how HUGE GZ looks compared to Serino in the video view — but NOT in the mirror behind them.
    LIKE THE 7-ELEVEN VIDEO VIEW of TM and the store clerk!
    Serino: ‘Trayvon was tall and skinny’”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    lurker says:
    “[Serino:] ‘Has it gotten through to you that if you had let him know you are neighborhood watch you might not be here now?’”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    type1juve says:
    “I sure hope the jury notices how Singleton handles this interview versus how she testified in court today.
    —Reply
    July 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    Sophia33 says:
    “They will notice.”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    MedicineBear says:
    “Singleton: Instead of talking to him and identifying yourself as NW, you instead rolled up your window? This guy knew you were following him ‘Don’t you think that you

    might have seemed CREEPY to him?’
    Singleton characterizes his actions as CREEPY before she knows that’s exactly how Trayvon was describing him to DD!”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    Sophia33 says:
    “[Singleton:] You didn’t tell me that you said, ‘Oh shit he’s running and got out of the car to go in the same direction as him’”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    lurker says:
    “Serino confronts him with the wacky timeframe when Zim says he was headed back to the truck.”

    July 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    hinkster4ever says:
    “@rhugheswftv says three jurors have hands over mouth while this is playing”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    chi1224 says:
    “This fat pig is TOAST!!!! And all the pro-Fogan media can kiss my ass! They’ve lied for a year!! These cops are saying what the crypt keepers have managed to

    suppress!”
    —Reply
    July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    type1juve says:
    “I especially like when Serino tells him he did not say punk! It has always sounded like coon to me.”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    disappointed says:
    “Oh shit he is running, sounds like you are following him. You want us to believe you needed a flash light to go where you just ran? haha”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    chi1224 says:
    “It’s hard to believe his arrest was put off for 44 days!”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    whonoze says:
    “Remember Dale Gilbeath at the capias hearing? ‘We have the body; we have the shell casing, and we have the defendant’s statements.’”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    lurker says:
    “Very persuasive interview. Again–how could he have smothered you and there is no ceasing of the yells.
    Also the confrontation–that doesn’t even sound like me.”

    July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    Court in recess for 15 minutes

    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Court back in session — Det. Serino still on the stand

    July 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    racerrodig says:
    “Fogen ‘…and when he came over to my car he put his hand in his waistband….’
    Serino ‘…yeah, he had his hand on his ice tea’
    Fogen ‘(blank expression)'”

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  46. crazy1946 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I wonder how many of these officers will be allowed to simply retire for the SPD shortly after this trial with a pension? I have been in denial about a fix being in, but this testimony today (what I have heard) stinks! The opinions given by Sereno simply do not match what the recording are showing… I suppose justice does depend on money in Florida…. Or perhaps I should say justice is for sale to the highest bidder…. Wasn’t their a petition from Florida requesting to be allowed to drop out of the union of the United States? Is it too late for me to sign it yes to allow them to leave?

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      Let’s let Texas and most of AZ go with ’em.

      Reply
    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:30 pm

      crazy1946:

      This is the experience that many black people have the American judicial system. Hence the reason that there were so many negative comments last week, many of which I think came from African Americans. I wrote a long post about it yesterday.

      It’s not that we were trying to demoralized this blog. It had nothing to do with members of this blog or a lack of support for Trayvon Martin and his family. We support Trayvon Martin and his family. It’s that we have already been demoralized long before this trial even happened. Because being black in American can be demoralizing.

      A large number of us do not approach the judicial system, the police or the government with the expectation of getting justice. That is demoralization.

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      • crazy1946 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm

        Sophia33, now that I have had a full pot of coffee (and burns all the way to my toe nails) and time to calm down and reflect, I accept that I allowed my anger with the performance of the SPD and their personal, I can only conclude that perhaps I spoke in haste! BDLR and AC have done a pretty good job thru this whole disgraceful episode in our history, and it is not fair to them at this time to just throw in the towel! What all of us here on this blog and I think it extends to well outside the confines of this blog want is justice for a murdered child. I not only want justice for Trayvon, I demand that justice be served! I allowed my anger to over load my common sense and lost sight of that objective, and for that I apologize, it was uncalled for! I keep hoping for a better place in this nation for all people, not just white or black because I think that race has no place in a persons worth or value.. Ok, I’ll now go back under my rock and be quiet!

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        • Sophia33 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm

          That is why you are a good person crazy1946. I have never met you, but I know as sure as I am sitting here that you are a good person. And your optimism is what is needed.

          I was just trying to explain to you how a segment of people viewed the case. That’s all.

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          • crazy1946 says:
            July 1, 2013 at 6:18 pm

            Sophia33, I really think you would be surprised how many white (if there is such a color) are disgusted with the way our fellow American Citizens are and have been treated! Let’s not lose sight of our need for Justice for a 17 year old “child” who was murdered…

        • Sophia33 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm

          I agree with you crazy1946. I know that you are one of those people who are disgusted. I know many others like you. It still doesn’t change how those who have been treated poorly may perceive things differently. I was just trying to present that.

          But I agree with you on putting positive energy out there that the killer of a 17 year-old child gets put in jail where he belongs.

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  47. type1juve says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Well it looks like the only justice Trayvon and his family will get will be through the civil courts, if that. I hope Mr. Crump sues them to hell and back!

    Reply
    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      You might be premature in saying that. We haven’t heard all of Serino’s story yet.

      Reply
      • Shari says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        Every time the state has a crappy day were advised to wait. LOL I’m not an idiot. They had a year to get this case together. He is a private citizen who followed a kid and killed him. He is a wanna be cop, what is going on here with the state of FL? LOL. We were punked.

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        • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
          July 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm

          “Every time the state has a crappy day were advised to wait. LOL I’m not an idiot.”

          Exactly!

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          • jm says:
            July 1, 2013 at 5:22 pm

            Wait for what? A videotape to incriminate GZ?

          • Shari says:
            July 1, 2013 at 5:27 pm

            I did not watch today, I am getting that sentiment from reading comments here and on twitter. I also tried to stay updated with tweets from the news media.

            What am I waiting for? Absolutely nothing. I already know he is guilty, in fact I think he is guilty of First degree murder. There are 6 women who are going to decide guilty/not guilty and I want no room for waffling. I remember Casey Anthony jurors saying they knew she was guilty but they felt there was reasonable doubt. Now what is reasonable doubt? I don’t know what kind of bar these women have so I want NO room for ANY doubt at all.

            Again, if my comments are demoralizing I will self censor.

      • type1juve says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

        I certainly hope so. I need to calm down, there’s lot’s more evidence to come in. This case may hang on the forensics because the witnesses and SPD are damn sure not stepping up and doing the right thing.

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  48. Shari says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Um. I missed most of the day but sounds like it was a wash? Where is racer the Republican? mechanic who comments here. I have a bone to pick with you, you said you had some bombshells about the phone records of Zimmerman. It looks like maybe one call at 10 to 7 from his wife.

    I know trials are not about smoking guns but I sure would like something. I don’t know the jury and what they will need. Could be a few Zidiots among those 6 women.

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  49. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

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  50. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I’m confused and angry. WTF just happened?

    Reply
    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      BDLR allowed this to happen. It’s no ones fault but his. Period.

      Reply
      • Trained Observer says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        Tashatexas — you think this is the 50-yard-dash. It’s not. It’s a marathon, and Bernie is a champion runner with a track record to prove it.

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      • anita says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:26 pm

        In my opinion, you’re way too critical. Calm down some, look at things from the big pic. I’ve been wanting to say this to you for days.

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      • tashatexas77048 says:
        July 2, 2013 at 6:58 am

        I stand by my original statement. Clearly O’Frankenstein has realized that BDLR purposely leaves things out in his direct exam so he can force MOM to come at the witness from certain angles so what MOM does is spin the witness so that things BDLR didn’t mention become MOM,’s nail in the coffin moment. The only witness this strategy was ineffective against was Rachel. Why? BDLR covered all the bases and that left the defense with no option but to try to bully Rachel into saying something different. Now granted Rachel was firmly the states witness but an approach similiar to what he took with her would have worked with Serino. Because BDLR failed miserably at getting Serino to talk about his view of Zimmerman’s story during the different phases of the investigation he allowed MOM to focus solely on the first interview and he got Serino to say Zimmerman had told the truth. This smoke and mirror act was handed to MOM by BDLR who failed miserably yesterday. Period.

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        • cielo62 says:
          July 2, 2013 at 7:30 am

          Tasha- who have no clue what you are saying. Trials are NOT win in one day. (Unless its traffic court). Bernie is NOT done with Serino, not by a long shot. Do you realize that BDLR will be receiving a prestigious award for his legal prowess later this month? An attorney doesn’t win that if they are in the habit if throwing cases or making stupid moves. You show a decidedly annoying lack of patience with the proceedings. MOM got the final word on one day. So what?

          FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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    • type1juve says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      Serino and Singleton just caved in to a cold blooded murder! And don’t think for one second this bastard won’t do it again if he gets away with it.

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  51. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Well Serino says he was telling the truth. All of these people have it out for the victim. This guy, Serino, sounded very doubtful in some of the interviews and even went on to lead the defendant in some cases. This is probably why he got tossed off detective duties and now all of a sudden he had no questions about the veracity of Zimmerman’s statements. This is why I don’t like watching this. What is the going rate for murder these days. Time served, a pat on the hand…..saddens me.

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    • KateW says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      When I say lead, I mean leading him as far as what to say and what happened. Instead of allowing him to speak for himself.

      Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      i feel its more complex than that. Serino answered truthfully what he was asked – taking pathalogical liar off the table, was he telling the truth in your opinion? WHat can one say to that?

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      • jm says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm

        Serino was tricked by MOM and maybe a juror was tricked too which is MOM’s intent. Serino could have said the question made no sense and perhaps BDLR could have objected to how the question was phrased. Neither happened and the last thing jurors heard was Serino said GZ was telling the truth.

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  52. Ty Flair says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    This is the time to start to worry,it really don’t look good for us.

    Reply
    • groans says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm

      Litigation never “looks good” to anyone as it’s going on. It probably doesn’t look so good to the defense right now, either.

      I’m afraid that it come down to the final, closing arguments (a/k/a summation), which will pull it all together – and the State gets to have the last words. That’s a lot of pressure on closing argument, but hopefully the State has it plotted out ahead and is tweaking it along the way. The State did a great opening, so we can probably expect the same at closing.

      Contrary to an apparent defense strategy, I don’t believe there’s any support for the notion that “the one who talks the most” wins!

      It’s OK to feel worried – that goes with the litigation territory. But, hang in. There are lots of “hairy” days ahead.

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    • groans says:
      July 1, 2013 at 7:26 pm

      Well, Ty … Sorry for my optimistic reply, above. Just when I jumped on the cheery-side bandwagon, the professor seems to be in agreement with you. It’s a roller-coaster, for sure.

      Congratulations!

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  53. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    colin black says:

    July 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    fauxmccoy says:

    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    that is just foul, whatever it is

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    Sorry cant resist

    WEST Is litterlery using the CHEWBACCA DEFENCE

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      i agree. google it. The chewbacca defense is in play here. Short version is just to confound and confuse the jury with massive amounts of bullshit so the “reasonable doubt” is about whether they even understand what the hell the defense is talking about, then claim that means the case is unclear and the jury must acquit. It’s a “red herring argument”

      Reply
      • groans says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm

        Thanks. I thought the chewbacca defense is what West was doing early on with a wad in his mouth.

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  54. Leelee says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Why wouldn’t Serino want to point out GZ’s inconsistencies, I do not understand, please help me understand

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      I’m not certain that Serino ever fully saw all Fogen’s inconsistencies.

      Reply
      • willisnewton says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:18 pm

        He didn’t have months like we did. But he should have caught a few serious things like the “doubling back to circle the vehicle” being GZ’s story although impossible to reconcile wiht the timing of the NEN call recording ( he seems to “get” that something was wrong but not exactly what yet, so he went for the timing of the returning towards the truck bit instead) and the fact that GZ ALWAYS left out the running away.

        It’s also important to note however that his goal was mainly to keep GZ giving statements as long as possible and to keep cooperating with out a lawyer present. SO he was always “mild” (his words) with George.

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    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      I’m actually more upset that BDLR didn’t go through those inconsistencies, one by one, on direct examination. He’s running the show, this is HIS case in chief. There is no excuse for this, as far as I can see.

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      • Sophia33 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        I agree.

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      • Tzar says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

        from his own mouth during one of the pre-trial hearings :

        “The issue in this case is whether the Defendant had the right to target, follow, shoot and kill an unarmed seventeen year-old child, to then recite a litany of demonstrably false and internally inconsistent versions of the events, and to now shamelessly attempt to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself.”

        -BDLR

        so it is time to put up or shut up

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        • willisnewton says:
          July 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm

          the time to put up or shut up will go on for another four to ten days I predict. BDLR is “putting up” every witness the defense might call FIRST and getting the jury to see the BASIC outlines of the case, and SOMETIMES drawing the picture for them. I suspect he wants to NAIL the defense on rebuttal on several points as a means to keep up the pressure. And he’s holding off drawing the WHOLE picture until closing arguments.

          But time will tell. GZ will NOT take the stand it seems clear. So it’s up to BDLR to ensure that his many lies are made plain – this means he had to allow GZ’s false narrative to come out in the form of statements to SPD, but he has many ways to show still to come that the statements dont match the testimoy and evidence.

          Is he up to the task? I’d be hard pressed to know how to prosecute this case DIFFERENTLY much less better. He’s getting it all out in the open at least.

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          • groans says:
            July 1, 2013 at 6:38 pm

            I’d be hard pressed to know how to prosecute this case DIFFERENTLY much less better.

            True enough – especially when your prosecution investigators don’t even want to testify!

    • MedicineBear says:
      July 1, 2013 at 6:59 pm

      In the interview of Feb 29. 2012 (3 days after the murder) it is clear that Serino and Singleton had identified many of the lies and inconsistencies in fogen’s version(s) because the two officers were asking the same questions WE justice bunnies have been asking for over a year!

      Now, think back — given that we know they KNEW about overwhelming incriminating holes in ZCAC’s story back on 2/29/12 (since we saw and heard the recorded interviews today) the ONLY explanation that this case did not get prosecuted is that someone(s) higher up in the chain of command pulled strings to sweep this case into nonexistence and let the unarmed-kid-killing CAC walk free.

      Now Serino (and all the LE witnesses involved) are in the position of saying that SPD criminally mishandled this case (and how many others?) — which would jeopardize their livelihood, pension, and employment OR they can play along with the corrupt Defense and act like “Meh, it’s not that bad — he only killed one kid, and otherwise he’s nice and polite.”

      That’s why. We aren’t going to see anyone give up their career to do the right thing. I hope Bernie can find some 3rd party to actually mine and explore the information from those interviews in front of the jury. It CAN’T be someone involved with the SPD, because the jury might dismiss incriminating data just because a LE “authority figure” didn’t make a big deal about it (minimized it like OMar has built his whole case on).

      That’s why.

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  55. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    MOM is trying to unring the bell of the jury having seen GZ fold like a cheap suit under the challenges from Singleton and Serino. That seemed pretty transparent to me. They’re going to watch and listen to that interview again.

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  56. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    i don’t think the jury is buying it, the interview speaks for itself and Serino and Singleton are going to cover their own butts. The very good news is that the jury requested to know when they are going to hear that interview again.

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    • ks says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm

      Thank you! BDLR will redirect. I have a feeling the jury has zoned out on the defense’s histrionics though it may play well with some in the media. MOM is like a bad magician trying to disappear the elephant in the room.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      tell me more about the jury requesting to hear that again. – what is your source for that info? I may have missed it and I’m also glad if that is true.

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      • MedicineBear says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm

        During the trial today (maybe right after the jury came in from a 15-minute break arouind 4:28PM EDT?) one of the jury members asked the judge if they could hear the tapes again (or something) because they hadn’t been able to hear them very well. The judge said they’d be provided copies and a device with which to play in deliberation phase.

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    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      We’ll see if the jury isn’t buying it. After all they live in Florida too and Stanford does not have a good race relations record.

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  57. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    well, there is something hinky down at sanford PD

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      Serino has to go to work there every day if he wants his pension. He’s also seemingly washed his hands of the whole matter in some regard, or wishes he could. Put yourself in his shoes. I think he KNOWS GZ can lie about a murder that happened in the dark and it will be VERY hard to prove he is lying. he’s right.

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

        i agree. i think the state attorney office also realized that serino and singleton were decent folks caught in a suck situation and are doing their best to protect them.

        i expect to see FDLE and corey’s investigators take the stand for the rough stuff.

        just the way i think it’s going to pan out. guy stressed in his opening statements that the lies would be exposed, unless corey is deliberately throwing the case (a conspiracy theory i will not yet buy), they have proof of such.

        strange day in court though.

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  58. dianetrotter says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    5:20
    Comment From Guest
    Guest you cant shoot someone center mass and think you missed

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  59. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Court is in recess until tomorrow at 9 am EDT.

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  60. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Hey America UK CALLING EYE WITTNESS NEWS AT 6

    IS FN BLIND!

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  61. Charlie Christopher says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong but all of the witnesses testimony didn’t go along with GZ’. In face Sernio changed witnesses statements, am I wrong?

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    • colin black says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

      No your correct foggagges version matches no eye witness accounts nor even location of caseing an TRAYVON

      His self serveing statements ie lies match nothing not even reality phycics.

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

      He told people the person who survived was yelling – ?

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      GZ mistakenly seems to have told Jayne, W18 that the screams were for certain coming from GZ. Serino didn’t have any information to the contrary at that time, but he was trying to comfort the distraught woman and so he let that out when he should not have.

      HOWEVER, he also spoke with Austin’s mother and let slip out that he felt GZ was lying and the case was “about race” but that you needed to read between the lines.

      Serino is a complex guy. We are seeing the tip of an iceberg and a person who has retained Baez as a lawyer to protect himself from what, we don’t know.

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      • renahv says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

        I agree totally Willis.

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      • groans says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm

        What’s so “complex” about him? Seriously.

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      • Malisha says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm

        My guess (set forth above) is that Serino’s testimony is part of a deal. I call it a FIX. I still think Fogen will be convicted but the FIX is to exonerate the SPD.

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      • Ms.X says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:15 pm

        I agree, Willis. I still think he is going to be made into a sacrificial lamb during the civil trial, even though the whole department colluded. He is the one recorded telling witnesses they didn’t hear what they thought they heard & he is also the one who smelled a rat even though he was smiling in gz’s face. He looks like a wreck. He is afraid of omara, showing hesitancy to agree but agreeing anyway. Its sad.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:10 pm

      In serino’s mind there were no decent eye witnesses at all because the important part was HOW DID IT START. No one seems to have seen that. Plenty of people saw SOME or heard some but even then not in good light and not very reliably. This was a fight in the proverbial dark alley where the loser was the only other witness who saw the start and he’s dead.

      Later the STATE learned that Dee Dee/ Racheal J/ W8 was on the phone w trayvon. She is the star witness Serino wishes he had. But Serino never had her as part of his investigation. By that time the family, who found her, wanted to deal with only the feds and so they kept Dee Dee/W8? RJ from the SPD.

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      • groans says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm

        So, you think Rachel is the “star” witness? As if, no case without her? I think she was icing on the cake. Serino had grossly inconsistent, self-serving statements by GZ and knew it, had done some very slack (or worse) witness interviews, and then publicly agreed with Lee (and, thus, Wolfinger) that there was no case against GZ.

        I don’t call that complex. I call it doing what you’re told. And it looks like he’s still doing that.

        Privately, he apparently held a different view. And let’s suppose, as MOM suggests, that his superiors were rushing him to conclude his investigation. Does he have the guts and integrity to say that? We’ll have to see, but it didn’t look like it today.

        So, OK, he’s no hero. He doesn’t want to risk his livelihood by talking. But that just makes him ordinary, to me, not complex.

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  62. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Take pathological liar off the table, did you think he was telling the truth?

    Serino: Yes.

    That makes no sense to me.

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    • jm says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Looks like Serino is in on the fix.

      Reply
    • Unabogie says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. This feels like Kabuki theater and if I were the Martin family I’d go ballistic at this display.

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

      Strange question.

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    • Woow! says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

      BDLR will correct that on redirect. How can Serino say he thought CAC was telling the truth?

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    • boyd says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

      me too.

      I hope it allows the State to bring in witness #9 and the car salesman witness,

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

      that was a humdinger of a question that BDLR let go by.

      “If the answer is either yes or no and it’s not yes, is it no?”

      well, let;s see…. the answer is no!

      Reply
      • Tzar says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm

        I could not believe what I was hearing
        don’t mean to be dramatic but when this passes for rhetoric, we are in a democratic decline

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    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      O: Imagine it be impossible to be guilty of murder, would zimmerman be then innocent?
      Serino: Yes.

      Seems legit

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    • whonoze says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      Again, Serino is testifying to what he thought AT THE TIME. He obviously did come to the conclusion that Z-CAC was lying at some point, since he thought charges ought to be filed.

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      • Tzar says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:10 pm

        10 bucks says we never hear of his 1st 3 capiases
        and his assertions of Zimmerman’s angelic honesty go unchallenged tomorrow

        full disclosure: I so hope to lose this fake bet, but I don’t think I will.

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      • YQ says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

        yeah, that’s part of his job to asess everything and THEN come up with the conclusion. he didn’t say what he felt about the actual interview when his all of the inconsistencies came out. o’mara didn’t ask him that, he settled with truth at the time. it’s still crazy that serino said, “yes”. they had dug up some thorough evidence by Zimmerman’s own admission and I think that the jury is seriously going to pay attention to it.

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      • groans says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm

        The 3/29/12 interview reflects that Serino at that point in time considered parts of GZ’s story very suspect – i.e. a lie. But he seems afraid of / averse to saying or agreeing with the word, “lie.”

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    • renahv says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      that just blew my mind Prof! its nonsensical. But I still think Serino WANTS to tell the truth. Apparently this skirts too close to the political fix? (Which i think is separate)… So maybe it will all become clear on Monday, once certain parties complete the hammering out.

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      • MedicineBear says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:43 pm

        Serino wants his pension more than the Truth in one measly case. Same for Singleton and every LEO testifying.

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    • ay2z says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

      Unless he thinks gz is a pathological liar.

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    • MedicineBear says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:23 pm

      Even worse — the jury was having trouble hearing the recorded interviews that had such damning information in them! NOW, having sat thru OMars “No biggy, nothing to see here” hypnmotic drone, the jury has been pre-INOCULATED against the very damning fogen lies exposed in those interviews when they DO get to hear them!

      Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!

      Lady Justice is blind, but I think she just got shanked!

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      • diary73 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm

        The good thing about their inability to hear well is that they will listen again on their own. Judge Nelson reminded the jury that they could do just that.

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    • EdgySF says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:46 pm

      Serino has to say he believed him!

      Else he knowingly set free a cold blooded killer!

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    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      That’s just plain not true. Serino knew that Fogen was lying. Otherwise why did he write those first two drafts with the request for charges of Murder-2? And he knew Fogen was lying about 25-30 punches and head slams. And he knew Fogen was lying about drawing his gun out of his pocket while he was on his back with the Black Behemoth still mounted on him! And he even told Tracy he didn’t believe Fogen about him “circling the car” in the rain. F*I*X

      NOW I know what Baez’s job was. Check and we will see who PAID Baez. His job was to negotiate a settlement among the prosecution, the defense, the SPD and the feds, so that the investigation would come out saying, “We have investigated and we found that nothing was done wrong.” An elaborate charade.

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      • jm says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:58 pm

        “NOW I know what Baez’s job was. Check and we will see who PAID Baez. His job was to negotiate a settlement among the prosecution, the defense, the SPD and the feds, so that the investigation would come out saying, “We have investigated and we found that nothing was done wrong.” An elaborate charade.”

        Looks like the whole thing is a huge fix at this point. I have always wondered why Jose Baez was necessary in this case. His statement today was a huge give away as to what is happening.

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  63. RobertSF says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Ok, I had dismissed the notion as nothing more than conspiracy theory, but I’m beginning to wonder if indeed it’s true that the state is just going through the motions of a trial to placate the population.

    There have been just too many unforced errors.

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  64. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    wow serino….. way to save your own ass.

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  65. anita says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Pathological LIAR. MOM got the last word in & it sucked, “he was telling the truth”, “yes” sickening!

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  66. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Sanford Police Dept. has to be one of the worst in the country. When a grown man shoots a teen dead and they start protecting the shooter it is time to clean house.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

      The family of Trayvon martin sent a letter asking the DoJ to do that. They never got an answer.

      Reply
      • Woow! says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

        I thought the DOJ was investingating SPD and the FBI was investigation whether or not it was a hate crime?

        If the FBI say they cannot find 1 person that can tell them CAC is not a racist then I’m a monkey’s aunt as my grandpa would say. All they would have to do is look at the family and friends what they’ve put out in the media.

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  67. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I’ll take pathological liar for $ 1000, Alex!

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  68. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    WHAT?? The truth??

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  69. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Either he was telling the truth or he was complete pathological liar!

    LOL.

    Although, I suspect that the third possibility is that George has thoroughly talked himself into believing his own tale–mark of denial.

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  70. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    What did “I hope someone did videotape”?
    My answer: GZ was bluffing to!

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  71. Unabogie says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    This is making me ill.

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  72. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Pathological liar.

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  73. greenwarrior4 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar.

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  74. Woow! says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    I would say patheological liar!!

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  75. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    YESS!!

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  76. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    telling truth or COMPLETE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR

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    • Patricia says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Hi fauxmccoy left a comment on last blog, I’m in seminole co visiting trying to get a seat in the courtroom ,got my call I’m in for tomorrow gotta be there at 8:15am. I have your email if I could communicate with someone during breaks. Happy I get to see serino finish. Also I met the AA fellow behind Sabrina today. No one in Sanford /Lake Mary calls me Patricia, go by boat name. Paddywagon. You can confirm my email with professor.
      Get to see the “Creepy ass cracker” up front and in court.

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        July 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm

        fabulous! look forward to hearing from you! do you want me to forward your live reports to the blog? that would be pretty cool — live blogging with live reporting!

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      • diary73 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm

        What did you do,and where did you go, Patricia. I am here now and want to sit one day this week. I wish we could get together and chat this week.

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      • diary73 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 7:16 pm

        What is the address and the actual place within the location I should report?

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  77. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Pathological liar. Yes, he is.

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  78. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Now how could Trayvon Martin’s phone been video tapping while Trayvon Martin was fighting for his life.

    GZ knew that there were no video cameras because he was NHW.

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  79. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    I go with option 2..pathological liar

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  80. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    GZ wasn’t stupid. He knew there wasn’t enough light!

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  81. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    So a bluff always works, ergo Zimmerman was not lying

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  82. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Serino pressed GZ on the time to return to his car.

    What he didn’t confront on, was the time it took to travel from clubhouse vicinity to cut thru area. Singleton hit him on this but neither went all the way.

    (re flashlight: Jesus serino, review the tapes before you show up in court. )

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      Exactly. Like I said, hes the perfect witness to go ovee the timeline with but BDLR failed. So pissed.

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  83. type1juve says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    So Fogen won’t be getting in the box since O’Mara has spent all afternoon testifying for him. This is sickening!

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  84. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Serino is dodging MOM fairly well. Got that “bad mentor” thing in there.

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  85. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Is O’Mara running the clock here or what??

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  86. anita says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    The mentoring small bhlaack children is too much. Despicable MOM

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  87. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    he had made reference to mentoring (AA) children (and didnt seem uncomfortable speaking w them) so why didn’t GZ speak to trayvon?

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  88. smokeegyrl says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Good one Serino… He worked with African American Children he would have worked with Trayvon instead of the end of result of Death.. lol

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  89. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    The interview of Serino is more about hiding the truth then revealing

    this will give the people no relief

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  90. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Nice try, O’Mara. but your client said on national T.V. he had no regrets. wouldn’t change a thing….God’s Plan

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  91. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Mentoring black children. But won’t just tell Trayvon his concerns.

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  92. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “the way i’d view them, as a major crime investigator, i didn’t consider them life threatening.”

    Serino is sitting on the fence here. He never “challenged” George on his injuries in any strong way.

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  93. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    no. GZ says it is God’s plan. Can’t change the outcome

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  94. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    GZ’s mentoring snuck in there as good character.

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  95. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    M’OM wanted to end the day at 5 something because he thought he was ending on a high note. I don’t think he’s going to end on that same perceived high note.

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  96. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    O’Mara had to recite again the list of injuries. Serino says he saw abnormalities.

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  97. sparger says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Do you think the jury realized the cops are being hostile?

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm

      Who knows? They sat there like dummies, unable.to hear the tapes and said nothing until it was over.

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  98. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Serino just said his injuries, from his experience seeing injuries, is that Zimmerman’s injuries were not or did not appear to be life threatening.

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  99. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Here is instructing the jury again via asking a question.

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  100. sparger says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I saw imperfections. You mean a couple of scrapes.

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    • Nellie Nell says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

      Lumpy lump head CAC harassing, stalking, chasing down and then killing a kid as he begged for his life.

      Vitals are normal and school the next evening – sicko.

      Reply
  101. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    You do not have to have life threatening injuries?

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  102. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    serino corrects MOM who says 20-30 times to the correct 25-30 times.

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  103. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Yes! Serino. They weren’t life threatening.

    Reply
  104. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Injuries not sufficient for being hit 25-30 times.

    Reply
  105. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    O’Mara wanted Serino to say he had done a knock-down challenge interview and yet nothing came of it. Glad Serino didn’t fall for it.

    Reply
  106. crazy1946 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I missed a good bit of the day, and have yet to be able to read all the posts, did they do anything about West and his evil spawn? Or did it simply get ignored and allowed to go away?

    Reply
  107. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Serino mentions OMISSIONS

    Reply
  108. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    MOM bought in racial profiling. Thought that was not to be mentioned.

    Reply
  109. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    This is a farce

    Reply
  110. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    MOM there is nothing you can do about how bad that taped interview made your cold, hateful client look.

    Reply
  111. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Seems as though the defense has had Don West take a day off.

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      yes. he is there but not particpating. not even going to the bench when the lawyers approach. maybe he is off the case because of his stupidity and is only presence so the jury doesn’t hold it against footinmouth

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  112. tchoupicaillou says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    On the scale of challenge interviews it was… mild

    Reply
  113. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    It was “mild”.

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  114. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I was gentle…

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  115. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Serino just testified that he hadn’t gotten to a challenge interview. He wasn’t READY for it, yet. And now MOM got him to agree to “let’s call [something] a challenge interview, OK?”

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  116. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    They didn’t exaggerate inconsistencies. Fogen offered the inconsistencies all on his own.

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  117. Nellie Nell says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    MOM talks way too much. If he is talking so much that he hardly lets the witness speak.

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  118. greenwarrior4 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    I lost NBC. Who else is livestreaming?

    Reply
  119. anita says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    NBC just went down, wild about trial is here

    Reply
  120. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Has NBC feed dropped or is it me ?

    Reply
  121. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    What pressure from the outside? this is the very next day? He did tell many different things.

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  122. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    he may ask serino’s opinion on that last interview… he’s tripping over some traps here..

    Reply
  123. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Command voice. Where is he going with this? Fogen was not a cop. They are arguing for and against him? Hoping one or the other will stick. Nice soft, NW guy and commanding protector of the neighborhood. This is where BDLR should play fogen asking Singleton about her command voice.

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  124. sparger says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Those cops are trying to protect themselves. Its so sad that the superiors got involved so a proper investigation wasn’t done.

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  125. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Blaming the external pressures for having to move forward with a “challenge interview.”

    Reply
  126. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    lack of streets in his neighborhood. External pressure? What pressure the next day?

    Reply
  127. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Quicker? They had 44 days!!!!

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  128. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    “Just didn’t add up”

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  129. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Yes, tell it Serino. It didn’t add up.

    Reply
  130. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche

    O’Mara says he won’t finish anytime soon. Jury says they can go until 6.

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  131. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I think that this may have been where the fix came in, but then omara went beyond the agreed..?

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  132. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    The crypt keepers strategy seems to be to blather on as long as possible so the jury forgets the powerful testimony just given for the prosecution.

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  133. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Yep. Protecting SPD.

    Reply
  134. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    I don’t get why JN often gives the defense “just this one question” after State objection. Is it indecisiveness?

    Reply
    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm

      agreed
      way too much politics around what should be a very clear social message, don’t fucking follow unarmed and business minding citizens
      they are trying to sink the Martins civil case but risking justice to do it
      but most importantly they are lying

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  135. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    YEAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW

    Reply
  136. crazy1946 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Has anyone else noted that any time MOM gets his nuts in a wringer he suddenly is concerned about giving the jury a break? What an a**!

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  137. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Hope the jury stays til 6…

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  138. Trained Observer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Oh, how nice of MOM to suggest to jN that it’s “her call” on when to call it a day.

    Reply
  139. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Fogen needs his pampers.

    Reply
  140. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    west lobs something brown and gross into his gaping maw

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  141. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Oh good, we heard that one !

    Reply
  142. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    if jury goes to 6 definite convict I predict.

    Reply
  143. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Prof its a Proffer.

    Reply
  144. KittySP says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Did I hear Serino ask, “do you think it’s possible he saw the gun when you were standing, before you punched him?”

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  145. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “when will BDLR let loose the dogs of war”

    If he’s smart, about 1/2 to 2/3 the way through the State’s case. Let the jury think, for now, that GZ might be a sympathetic guy who had consistent statements, blah, blah, blah. Then pull that rug out from under them. If you can get an impartial audience to that moment of “Oh, NOW I see!” It’s more powerful and convincing than a frontal assault type presentation. (I used to teach this strategy in classes dealing with persuasion.)

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  146. Human says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    If they admit to small differences in wording being “normal”, they save Rachel Jeantel’s testimony as to Trayvon’s last words. They can still argue degree and importance of inconsistencies in the remainder of z’s testimony.

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  147. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    b shyster thinks this is foggaggges hailmary pass an he wont take the stand now??????

    Beam him up SCOTTY FFS.

    Reply
  148. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    traumatic EVENTS ARE BURNED INTO YOUR SOUL.#EVERY FRIGGIN SECOND OF DETAIL.

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  149. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    hmmm…how come dumb West isn’t approaching the bench anymore?

    Reply
  150. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    John Goode. Lord he is hanging his defense on a recanted statement.

    Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      First they hung their defense on a fictional statement,
      then they hung their defense on a recanted statement,
      pretty soon they’ll have to just hang the defense.

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  151. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    wow. Come on, dude.

    Reply
  152. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Keeps going to John Goode, it is already said that he did not see head banging.

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  153. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    ugggg, calls witness by first name – RUDE!

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  154. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    omara the chalange

    An
    A member off E had the audacity to chalange foggagge events

    No it didn’t contradict his story
    It contradicts the laws of physcics an REALITY.

    SERRINO SAID PERHAPS ?????????WTF

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  155. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    What? No moving things around? He added a whole new portion of stumbling, fumbling and swatting flies. That wasn’t clarification of a fact, it materially changed his story, from the T, to another point further south and he STILL didn’t get there!!!

    What the HELL is going on?

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    • Sabrina B. says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm

      And he didn’t stumble all the way to where the body actually was. He was still in front of the first house,and Trayvon was found by the third.

      Reply
  156. deetruth says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Sounds like Rachel is the only witness who’s required to be a “robot” and 100% consistent all the time, right down to crossing all the” T’s” and dotting all the “I’s.” SMDH

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  157. amsterdam1234 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I hope the jury remembers Rachel’s testimony, while listening to O’Mara explaining that it is to be expected statements may change from one interview to the next.

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  158. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    MOM calls it the “challenge interview” lol

    Reply
  159. racerrodig says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Serino “..hear that voice in the background ?”

    Scream “…I’m begging youuuuu!!!!!”

    Fogen “(..blink, blink shift eyes left….shift eyes right)”

    Swallow hard Fogen….this is reality.

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  160. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “spidey sense” I just felt a mass treehouse orgasm… must be far away from me but I can feel it, then all of a sudden silence.

    Reply
  161. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Oh, I see. They are focusing on the first interview. Not the one where Singleton and Serino challenged him

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  162. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I wonder if O’Mara’s ugly face could have a prejudicial effect on the jury? I’m being serious, the man is butt ugly!

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  163. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    damn o’mara, you gotta hardon for spidey sense

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  164. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Serino is a facscinating guy. There;s nothing easy about what he’s doing here.

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  165. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Omigod, OM said spidey-sense. Fell right out of the Treehouse.

    Reply
  166. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Nothing that I can articulate.

    Reply
  167. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    not shocked that MOM brought up “job security.”

    Reply
  168. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Did y’all see that look Serino gave regarding the defendant’s claim that one punch knocked him down.

    Reply
  169. Trained Observer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “at that poinT”

    Ah, but this is a ballet, where it behooves cops to recreate a scenario for no arrest or charge until they reached a point in the program where … yes, by georgie, there was a reason to act upon newly surfacing concerns. 😉

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  170. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Serino is telling the truth, as he knew it at the time.

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  171. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Haha! Go Serino! That’s retarded,sir. In that shrug.

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  172. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Serino didn’t buy the one-punch fall down plan.

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  173. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    He fell as soon as he was hit once.

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  174. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    WTF No lies come to mind? Wow.

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  175. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Geez, have these guys switched roles? O’Mara wants discrepancies listed? WTH?

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  176. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    ahhhh — ‘i was more focused on identifying the deceased’

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  177. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    There was no conflict between what Zimmerman said in that first interview and what the witnesses had described, was there?

    Not at that point, no.

    Serino left the door open for Bernie.

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    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      He did. I hope Bernie walks through.

      Reply
    • Cercando Luce says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      I always thought “Murder on the Orient Express” was the dumbest plot– all these by-standers in cahoots, but look at this tragedy, and there they testify one by one, by-standers in cahoots.

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  178. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Punched me in nose fell down.

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  179. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    The note foggagge wrote read

    Tell him he is a poopiehead an that BLAHCK NIJA was killing me with side walk /dog path /lethal weapon
    And I was so scared I nealy shat my pants an I wasn’t wearing diepers yet.

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  180. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Resolved because Fogen thought SPD was buying his BS.

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  181. tashatexas77048 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Det. Serino you wanted Fogen arrested. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO BRING JUSTICE TO THE MARTIN FAMILY.

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  182. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    So now O’Mara only wants to discuss early evidence
    Serino repeats “not at that time”

    this is a fucking farce
    when will BDLR let loose the dogs of war

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  183. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Thou thought to dwell,
    Till crash! the cruel coulter past

    It says he is a poopie head tell him was shitting my pants an nearly needed DIEPERS.
    Out thro’ thy cell

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  184. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    OMG with the John Goode.

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  185. Katie O Grady (@KatieOGrady4) says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    another thought,why did fogen confront TM,should he not waited for the child to commit a crime? he as the opening Atty said,BECAUSE HE WANTED TO KILL HIM

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  186. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    YAWN I gotta catch some zzzz Boys let me know how you get on finding out who that Dead CHILD isyayn is that the time already
    Hey Guy Theres been a lot of brealins in my area
    I sqauwt at rent free

    An I gotta get up for work

    Can I go already?

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  187. Nellie Nell says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    GZ has no soul which is why he was flat!

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  188. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    stopping the defense from giving their own notes again…

    Reply
  189. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    But, he wasn’t flat. He was very animated when he thought his lies were being believed.

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  190. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Flat affect after having had to shoot somebody–insert that into the discussion.

    I don’t don’t think all this emphasis on flat affect is going to go well for Zimmerman. Either he doesn’t care or he is in denial of what just happened. Neither one shows a lack of animosity as a motivator for what he did.

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  191. crazy1946 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Again, someone explain to me how he saw a photo that had been taken by Waggener when it allegedly had not been found at that time? Remember this was only 4 3/4 hours after the murder! Or is my memory wrong as to when this photo was supposedly found on Waggner’s phone?

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    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      You are correct. My impression is they are speaking of later. O’Mara did state that Serino did not see the injuries “live” and fogen had been cleaned by the time he saw him.

      Reply
      • crazy1946 says:
        July 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm

        No the line of questioning at this point of testimony was what he knew at the time of his first interview with the Fogdoit, not what he learned at a later time…. Something does not jive with his comment, did they actually have access to the photo much earlier than we have been told and does that explain why it might have changed?

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  192. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Uncaring about the deceased. Got to work, school blah blah blah.

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  193. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    The state should object. Neither Serino nor O’Mara are psychologists.

    I didn’t hear Zimmerman ask anything about Trayvon Martin. He didn’t ask his age. Who his parents were. Nothing.

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  194. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    OM is trying to excuse Fogen’s sociopathic behavior as traumatization. Where’s Malisha!!?

    Reply
  195. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    honest ansewer he didn’t know him.

    No he is not a CAVALEIR he is a ROUNDHEAD

    YOU MORON OMARA.

    He can skip class for skipping dead CHILD.

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  196. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    It does seem ODD!

    Reply
  197. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Yay! Serino is not falling into the trap.

    Reply
  198. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    He didn’t show the slightest concern for Trayvon Martin. That was cavalier.

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  199. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Flat affect despite the fear that he had supposedly experienced–don’t think this is going as well as O’Mara would have liked.

    Reply
  200. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Does O’Mara think he is going to change the outcome of this trial if he keeps using that pic over and over?? Serino already called his injuries “minor”

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  201. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Now Serino is a psychologist

    Reply
    • fauxmccoy says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      and PA Folgate is a nuero-trauma surgeon!
      and georgie wants to be a police officer when he grows up

      Reply
  202. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    B SHYSTER thinks this is all gravy for the defence.

    Cant believe I used to respect this guy opinion dureing CAYLEES MURDER……

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  203. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Ahahaha he can’t show the pic for the jury.

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  204. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    oh goody! another chance to show o’mara’s favorite pictures!

    Reply
  205. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Fogen didn’t “have to shoot” anybody.

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm

      BDLR already knows these rent a cops want to keep their jobs and asked them very few questions. But really BDLR, the cop said one of the reasons he showed Zimmerman Martin’s pic is to show how skinny Martin was WHAT WAS THE OTHER REASON???

      Reply
  206. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Here’s O’Mara parading around the fake photo with no blood coming out of the nose again.

    Reply
  207. Trained Observer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Nightmares aside (which I doubt), may Fogen suffer sleep deprivation the rest of his miserable life as he looks over his shoulder fearing trouble.

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm

      I hear, in prison, one must grow eyes in the back of their heads and never, ever, drop the soap.

      Reply
  208. Ryan (@kswheels) says:
    July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Channel 9 guy says

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  209. crazy1946 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    how had he seen the picture that Waggener had taken? I thought it was not discovered at that point? Problem?

    Reply
  210. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    One more time–let’s show the bloody picture. Even though Serino says he’d seen. Don’t need to wave it around yet again.

    Reply
  211. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Damn. I have to go back to work.

    Reply
  212. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    As the defense, why would you ask an investigator if GZ was looking cagey or trying to dogde your questions when he could possibly say yes. M’OM must’ve asked that question knowing full well Serino would say no ahead of time.

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  213. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    fellow officers? he is not a cop.

    Reply
  214. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Not Cagey straight forward but an alternate universe type of straight forward .
    He showed a ull affect because he is always flat an emotionless no bigggie
    Just offed a Blahch CHILD.!

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  215. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    He appeared to be lacking. Yes he is lacking, common sense, decency and humanity.

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  216. mountainmanpat says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    @YAHTC…..I saw my mountainside zimbot at the post office this morning….didn’t discus the case…..Talked about the fires……

    I was informed that the fires were started by “terrorists”…….

    “You know they said they plan to destroy this country….this is one of the ways they’re doing it”

    Typical zidiot mentality……

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    • Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm

      Sounds like Fox News. Kill off all the firemen then they won’t have any to respond to the bombs, that’s the plan.

      Reply
    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      Hmm, the terrorists have a terrible lightning machine?

      Reply
      • mountainmanpat says:
        July 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm

        We did have an arsonist running around last summer……The “Springer” fire (4,500 acres)…about 8 mile south of me was started by assholes shooting at a propane tank…..I don’t think they were terrorists…..just assholes with guns……….Maybe friends of fogen?

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    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      ha ha ha
      this would be totally funny if it was not so scary

      Reply
    • colin black says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      If man hadn’t mastered fire MPAT pall we would all still be at the zimmnitz level without technology an not comunicateing THUS
      Over the pond on a COMPUTER

      On the bright side we wouldn’t have guns but khuntz like foggagge can always find a weapon to inflict hate hurt an selfimposed superiority.

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    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Wow — wasn’t the fire started by the pBa-lack Mob?

      Reply
  217. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    We can hear in the interview that Zimmerman was not being honest.

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  218. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    He had no evidence that it did not match up? What about blood on his hands?

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  219. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    This defense is a puff of smoke!

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  220. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    “I had none AT THAT TIME.” Stepped in it.

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  221. anita says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    The transcript to the grilling they gave him about the NEN call is on Huff Po. I can’t believe he wasn’t arrested after this. I think he’s screwed after this interrogation.

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  222. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    SIDE BAR FOFFAGGE WISHES THE HAD SIDE BOT THE SIDEBARS SO HE COULD SNACK WHILST LAWERS YACKED.

    Reply
  223. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    o’mara tripping into the trap…

    Reply
  224. Katie O Grady (@KatieOGrady4) says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    silly but,i go back to the fact,that TM had NO flashlight,could not go looking for fatass,or open windows garages etc…He could only go back home,as he KNEW the way home. sad he never got there

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  225. Puck says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Some puppy love between the two kids behind Sybrina and Tracy. Cute.

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  226. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    i think the tape speak for itself.. o’mara trying to get into police tactics.. i think that those tapes exposed zimmerman

    Reply
  227. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Georgie Porky looks scared.

    Reply
  228. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Why does OM keep pushing John Goode into the dialogue?

    Reply
    • lurker says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      Well, he’s the best that they have.

      BDLR caught O’Mara earlier trying to insert the claim that Goode saw head slamming (he specifically denied having seen this)–objected and O’Mara had to reword the question.

      Reply
  229. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    MOM trying to unring the bell of “i was going in the same direction.” Don’t think it will work.

    Reply
  230. Woow! says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Does anyone in CAC family work? Robbie was in front of the cameras everyday right up to the trial and now the sister is sitting in court each day.

    Reply
    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm

      No, they’re all in danger and can’t show their faces. LOL. Er, no one wants to hire them.

      Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm

      All these pigs are slopping at the trough of defense fund donations. They are likely living higher on the hog than their donors.

      Reply
  231. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Omara is wandering aimlessly it seems

    Reply
    • Sabrina B. says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm

      Not to me. He is getting them to describe their techniques and dropping in little suggestions as he goes along. He is slicker than ice in March.

      Reply
      • Tzar says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm

        it’s puffery
        it’s corny
        in without substance
        he looks like a ficking car salesman up there
        and I am trying to be unbiased

        who the fuck cares whether Zimmerman was polite at the police station
        don’t we all know the sheep will be nice in the lion’s den?

        come the fuck on
        he is insulting the jury

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  232. Girlp says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    FYI the link my sister uses to watch the trial she uses Google Chrome but the link should work on any browser http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-201_162-1950/cbs-news-live-video/?tag=custom . Just incase your reg feed goes out.

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  233. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Pristine witnesses. One was standing inside the crime scene.

    Reply
  234. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    O’Mara is pushing two things forward–Zim cooperated and Zim exhibited no anger or animosity towards Trayvon.

    Pushing back on the state’s case that Zim was angry and profiled Trayvon, but also makes me wonder if they are worried about relying on the forensics and how they compare to Zim’s narrative.

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  235. Stormwatch says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    I wish the prosecution would have asked the NEN dispatch person what prompted him to ask Zimmerman if he was following the kid. I’m guessing as soon as the guy heard the car door open and then Zimmerman huffing and puffing he had a pretty good premonition that Zimmerman was pursing the kid.

    Reply
    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      I think they did ask that question. The dispatcher recalled the heavy breathing and wind or am I making something up?

      Reply
    • KA says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      I think on the call you can hear the [ding, ding, ding] of the truck door opening (meaning either the lights are on or the truck is shut off with the keys in ignition).

      I thought he asked right after that.

      Reply
  236. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    So what he wanted to answer questions?! He thought he was talking to his colleagues. He thought people were going to cover for him.

    Reply
  237. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    So what he cooperated. What does it matter, he thought he could get away with it, by just saying self defense.

    Reply
  238. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    AAHHHG. this upsets me. I can’t stand when the defense tries to use the nen call operator saying, “what’s he doing now” as a direction to follow. George said he could see Trayvon; it’s reasonable to then ask, what’s he doing?

    The operator was asking because George could already see Trayvon.

    How does that translate to, “George, go follow”?

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    • disappointed says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      you know if Fogen is that stupid, mentally challenged that he thinks what is the address you are calling from means goes chase the guy then he should NOT be able to carry a firearm.

      Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      sorry….didn’t mean to mention his name.

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      It doesn’t. Even if Sean had told Fogen to follow, that would not absolve Fogen of responsibility for killing Trayvon Martin; it would simply make Sean another defendant in the civil suit that followed the criminal proceeding! But it didn’t happen.

      Reply
  239. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Serino is playing as low key as he can. Not sure why, but he’s truying to be less important than he is, it seems to me.

    Reply
  240. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Fogen’s worried.

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  241. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    They still trying to put in instructions to the jury.
    No objection.

    Reply
  242. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I can only assume that they are giving the defense rope

    Reply
  243. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    LOL – OM just said Singleton didn’t have all Serino’s info, and Serino agreed, effectively showing why Singleton might not find Fogen’s story suspicious.

    Reply
  244. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    MOM had better be careful here. He’s in dangerous water.

    Reply
  245. diary73 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Why didn’t BDLR ask about the position of Trayvon’s arms and the circling discrepancy? Or did I miss something?

    Reply
  246. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    One more question Professor:

    O’Mara mentioned the methodology of the case. Serino acknowledged that he hadn’t given testimony regarding the methodology. Where was MOM going with that?

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  247. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    O’Mara said “various interviews” LOL

    Reply
  248. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    John Goode, oh Lord. Dragging in lies.

    Reply
  249. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Why so quick to let bernie off of direct?

    this is disturbing to my spider sense.

    Reply
    • whonoze says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      He’s not relying on the cops themselves to put all the pieces together. Can’t see the overall shape of his plan yet. Maybe it all comes down to the closing. (???)

      Reply
      • Unabogie says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm

        But he didn’t get into the missing 2-4 minutes, and he didn’t go over the missing 84 seconds on that tape. I would prefer to see him really digging in here and making sure the jury sees what he wants them to see. O’Mara seems good at this. BDLR, not so much.

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      • KateW says:
        July 2, 2013 at 1:56 am

        Maybe he has no plan and the prosecutors office is just “pacifying” the angry mob. Im very disappointed.

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  250. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    omaras flustered!

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  251. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Bernie didn’t ask him about the capias drafts and request? To establish that he didn’t find fogen’s story credible?

    Reply
  252. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Professor:

    Why do you think the prosecution didn’t ask many questions of Serino?

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

      I know you didn’t ask me but my guess is they are waiting to hear what the defense asks and will address those on cross. The tapes work in the state’s favor…no need to add to that. Let the defense ask what they think is important and then redirect.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      same question.

      keeping in mind serino has to go back to work at that same shoddy department, he may not be eager to cooperate w state.

      could be some inter-deapartmental rivalry too.

      One wonders if the state treated serino how he should have been treated, with respeet for what he accomplished. If they “high-hatted” him they may be sorry. Personal honor is at stake here.

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      Bernie keeps it simple and gets to the point.

      Reply
  253. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Where is he going with this?

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  254. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    There is nothing crypto can do to un-do the damage of those tapes! The jury is finally seeing the real truth

    Reply
    • gbrbsb says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      IDK, but I don’t like it. Those who have followed the case have had a over a year to analyse the tapes and find and comment, and re-comment, every single discrepancy. Will the jury be able to or want to or have the time to do the same?

      Reply
  255. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    also seems as if state attorney office has a deal to not ask much of serino

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  256. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    wait, that’s it?
    what is the state doing? what do they have up their sleeve?

    Reply
  257. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    MOM going to try and get Serino to put blame elsewhere.

    Reply
  258. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Oh, thank heavens! Not Skeletor!

    Reply
  259. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    O’Mara’s pissed, it seems…

    Reply
  260. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    O’Mara probably is arguing that the State is overemphasizing the importance of evidence the jury has already heard by summarizing and repeating it.

    Reply
  261. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    I initially had concerns about Bernie’s competence too, wondering if he had enough fight. But now I see his style is to lay the foundation until a blind person could see, and then BAM let the evidence speak for itself. I wonder if we even NEED any more of this trial now!

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  262. racerrodig says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Fogen “…and when he came over to my car he put his hand in his waistband….”

    Serino “…yeah, he had his hand on his ice tea”

    Fogen “(blank expression)”

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  263. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche

    Juror E6 speaks up again in court. Says interviews are hard to understand.

    Reply
  264. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    I sure hope the prosecution has something up their sleeve and is going somewhere playing all of the statements, because, IMBW, but BDLR doesn’t look like he got much out of Singleton while MOM seemed to not do to badly, and with Serino doesn’t look like he’s going into it much in depth either.

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm

      She will be back though. She left with the instruction she will be recalled

      Reply
    • whonoze says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      He let Singleton’s questions in the interview do the talking.

      Reply
      • gbrbsb says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm

        Just read your comment about “good” cop, bad “cop” above and I think I get you. But won’t they have to call back Singleton for the third tape, otherwise relying just on the jury listening to it and for them to put two and two together is a big risk, or not ? And are tapes not heard in court still given to the jury ?

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        • fauxmccoy says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm

          i doubt that any more tapes, interviews, defendant statements will be entered. the state won’t want to and the defense cannot.

          Reply
          • gbrbsb says:
            July 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

            Then I am not sure I understand what whonoze meant, if they don’t play the third interview with Singleton where she turns “bad cop”, and the jury don’t get a copy of it to listen to it either. Bit lost here!

    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      The tapes and interviews are self-explanatory.

      Reply
  265. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Oh, I missed it, what’s the sidebar about, an objection to a question or objection to evidence?

    Reply
  266. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    What is he objecting to?

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  267. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Intentionally or not, Doris Singleton just good-cop/bad-copped the jury.

    Go back to her testimony today. BDLR ONLY asked her about GZ’s first two statements. BERNIE elicited that she was sympathetic to GZ at that time with the Cross thing. MOM’s cross could only bring out that she found no inconsitencies BETWEEN THOSE FIRST TWO STATEMENTS. Bernie DIDN’T ask her about inconsistencies between the statements and the NEN call, or between the statements and Lauer’s 911 call.

    Now, if the jury is paying attention, they will realize that DORIS (the Good Cop) later listened to the police calls and developed some BIG concerns about GZ’s veracity, and turned into the Bad Cop, challenging GZ on some of his most obvious BS: so you wanted to get an address AFTER you said ‘Shit, he’s running!’?

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm

      She’s still under subpoena and I think the state will bring her back. They’re feeding the jury in chronological teaspoons.

      Reply
  268. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Unfortunately as is often the case, the good guys have little power in the things of most importance..

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  269. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Fogen is disgusting. I can not stand to see his face.

    Reply
  270. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    The S & S cop team knew fogen was lying, made sure to capture ALL his bullshit on record, & were the good guys from the start.

    Reply
  271. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Back in session

    Reply
  272. SouthernGirl2 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    George Zimmerman murdered an unarmed kid & Bill Lee & SPD tried to feed the public some bs story. Then here comes Don West with Trayvon Martin armed with the freaking sidewalk. Just damn!

    Reply
  273. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    has a recording of the interrogation if you missed it…

    Reply
    • MichelleO says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      Right in front of 1460? BINGO! Serino proves that the address was front and center, and easily read from the street.

      Reply
    • groans says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      Is that the “extended play” version that we heard today?

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      Catch the tone of “He stopped [voice goes up in alarm] and he … he like looked around”

      As if he’s king of thuggifying his own voice when he says the three syllables “looked around” — doing a kind of impersonation of a thug. As if the “looking around” offended him.

      Yup, it used to be that a pBa-lack man looking at a white woman was a crime. Now a pBa-lack kid looking AROUND in a neighborhood is a crime. Yup.

      Reply
  274. dianetrotter says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Oops! Did GZ see the tarp of Trayvon’s body?

    Reply
  275. EdgySF says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Stand with Rachel: Put Buillies on Notice – new goal: 10k sigs

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stand-with-rachel-jeantel

    (MoveOn petition)

    Reply
  276. dianetrotter says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Idiot Bill S. thinks the prosecution was dumb to play the videos.

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      Because he’s not smart enough to get the significance. He’s the one that made the comment that footinmouth doesn’t have to take the stand now. He never had to take the stand. He has the right, but not the ability, to remain silent.

      In my opinion, he HAS to take the stand now in an attempt to explain his many versions.

      Reply
      • Malisha says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm

        He can remain silent.
        After all when [he claims] Trayvon asked him, “What’s your fuckin’ problem Homie,” he could have said, “I’m with the NW and I wonder why you’re walking too slowly and looking to be up to no good,” but he didn’t

        BECAUSE

        He “didn’t want to confront him.”

        So now maybe he doesn’t want to “confront” the jury with his version of the events. See? Yeah, that works, sure.

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  277. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Just how crucial was the interrogation recording here?

    Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      VERY. it establishes GZ is lying to police, a crime in and of itself. THis is cornerstone stuff.

      Reply
    • renahv says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      It only clinched the states case with a nice big bow!

      Reply
    • MichelleO says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      I think it was very crucial. The detective, when asked, didn’t think that the perp’s “injuries” were major. He’s following this
      “criminal” into the dark anyway, but want’s us to believe that he didn’t have his firearm drawn. He doesn’t recognize his own so-called screams on the tape.

      Reply
  278. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Please don’t let Don cross examine!

    Reply
    • gwynne says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm

      oh my, I don’t think i want to hear either of them…mom’s clipped ok.’s..or w’s pause, pause, water slurp…

      Reply
      • Donna says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm

        lol. they are annoying. But I’d rather have O’Mara than West. I’m surprised footinmouth hasn’t tried to represent himself. He’s that smart you know…..(sarcasm)

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  279. KateW says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    they need to get someone Zimmerman’s size at the time and Trayvon’s size and have the Trayvon model on top of the Zimmerman model. This will allow the jury to see that there was no way Trayvon could have seen the man’s firearm holstered on his hip. The kid would have had to be straddling the perps knee caps in order to see his weapon.

    Sorry I am not watching. I just get upset so I am staying abreast of the action on the blog.

    Reply
    • MichelleO says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      I turn the sound down when it comes to that poor boy pleading and begging for his life. To date, I have only heard the very beginning and that is all.

      Reply
  280. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I’m thinking he’s not in his uniform to either hide the fact that he’s no longer a detective, or he just simply plans on telling the truth with the expected end result of losing his job. I suspect the former is true because my faith in anyone in the SPD is suspect.

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    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      they can’t fire him for telling the truth. But they can invent a reason, that’s for sure. His best protection is to tell the WHOLE truth and nothing but, and let people know what happened in the investigation.

      But the state won’t ask him about insitutional bias and open corruption in the police department. He’s on his own and has to make up his own mind as to what matters most.

      I hope he is a good man. I think he is.

      Reply
  281. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Well, America has finally heard audio #3 2/29/13!

    Reply
    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      2/29/12

      Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      the JURY has heard it. that’s what counts. “America” has it’s collective head up it’s rear end usually and can’t make heads or tails of all the facts, nor should they be charged with that task. That is what a jury does, assuming the case ever makes it to trial like this one (barely) did.

      Reply
    • Rachael says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm

      I know. Sometimes I forget that just because I’ve heard it (many time) that everyone else has too. I figure since I’ve been following this every day for over a year, everyone else has too.

      Reply
  282. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    well – i would contend that if the state is going so far as to enter all of this hearsay evidence that they did not have to, they must have pretty serious proof that refutes all of it.

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  283. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    No talking head YET I’ve seen points out that George left out the running away every time he told the tale.

    Reply
  284. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Well, at least Tony Pipitone is noticing and tweeting some of the inconsistencies! 🙂

    https://twitter.com/TonyPipitone

    Reply
  285. MichelleO says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Fogen’s a liar. How are you going to follow someone in the dark that you stated acted like he was reaching for something in his waistband? You say that you followed someone who you thought was a criminal into the dark without your weapon drawn? I think you are a liar.

    Reply
    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      I agree and how did he know he was reaching in his waistband since it was so dark outside?

      Reply
  286. Girlp says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Charles Blow tweets that talking heads are saying today’s testimony looks good for the defense, then Mr. Blow says he “wonders if they are looking at the same trial”….I agree exactly what are they looking at.

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  287. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Within the month gz will not have to worry about where the rent money will come from.

    Reply
  288. Frederick Leatherman says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Recess until 4:25 pm EDT

    Reply
    • FactsFirst says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm

      Loving how Bernie is using the time outs/recesses… making sure the jury is thinking about the state’s case and the evidence presented to them/jury while they are out… instead of having hours of the defenses “circular logic” they/defense engraved in their brains.. its almost seems like brain washing to me.. just saying..

      Reply
  289. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I love when Bernie looks at the Jury lik “uh huh”, “y’all believe this shit”
    it cracks me up
    he doesn’t seem to particularly like coercing people

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  290. Trained Observer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Bernie just took a look at the jury after the “doesn’t even sound like me” quote from Fogen.

    Reply
  291. Girlp says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Zimmerman’s looking like how much longer before this day ends.

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      He’ll have to get over it. Serino’s going to be up there for a while, dealing wiht all the inconsistencies. I wonder who’s going to do cross examination. I don’t see him folding, and I don’t think Serino will “lean” fogen’s way, given his answer of to the “minor injuries” issue.

      I want to see how all these pro-fogen announcers spin this.

      Reply
    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      Tick . . . tock.

      Reply
  292. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    damn I need a recess too! BRB

    Reply
  293. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Lets hope Serino backs up everything he’s saying here. Like singlton, he has to go to work every day at the SPD< a place rife with insitutionalized intolerance where the CHEIF OF POLICE wanted to let this liar go free.

    I dont envy his position here, but if he tells the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth he can at least hold his head up high.

    Reply
    • gwynne says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      And he knows he stands talk and strong for Travon, and for justice.

      Reply
    • Sophia33 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      Is that why he was demoted. I missed the whole thing with the chief and Serino getting demoted. Again, out of the country.

      Reply
      • willisnewton says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm

        long story. Cheif was fired. Serino claims he requested patrol duty, Unknown and no federal investigation happened.

        Reply
        • lurker says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm

          I thought that the FBI investigation was ongoing. I thought that this was the reason that O’Mara could not get from them everything that he wanted them to give him.

          Reply
      • groans says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm

        Serino had recommended charges – first murder 2, later manslaughter. But the SPD hire-ups and the DA’s office weren’t going to have anything to do with charges. Serino ticked them off when he put his recommendation in the file (I believe that one was manslaughter).

        Eventually, the local DA “recused himself” and the Governor appointed the DA from Jacksonville to take over the case.

        I think there is a lot of resentment in Seminole County about an “outside” DA trying this case.

        And I sense that Bernie’s been getting some “home cooking” dished out to him down in Seminole County. It’s not uncommon for that to happen when lawyers handle cases outside of their usual locations … at least I’ve seen it in NC.

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        • Sophia33 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm

          Wow! I see. Thanks for the summary.

          Reply
        • lurker says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm

          I think it was actually somewhat higher up than a DA, was it not? I thought that Wolfinger was with the state.

          Reply
          • groans says:
            July 1, 2013 at 3:36 pm

            Wolfinger was the equivalent in Seminole Count to Angela Corey in Duval County. Elected positions.

          • groans says:
            July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm

            I think they are called SAs in Florida. I’m just accustomed to calling them “DAs.” But I believe they’re roughly the same things, just some differences between states.

    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      Sereino’s already dealt with a job downgrade.

      I think he’ll hold steady … and dish out truth with candor on whatever’s asked.

      Neither MOM or West has the skill to shake him … if they attempt to get nasty, he’ll treat them like annoying flies.

      Reply
      • Two sides to a story says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm

        He said at the beginning of his testimony that going to patrol was a lateral transfer.

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        • looneydoone says:
          July 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm

          In public agency’s a lateral transfer is being moved into the same classification/compensation/work duties in another division of the same agency.
          Serino was demoted to patrol, but with no loss in paygrade….he’s receiving an investigator’s pay, while serving on graveyard shift patrol. It’s sometimes referred to as “Y” rating. He was punished vs terminated because there were no grounds on which termination could be justified.

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          • Trained Observer says:
            July 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm

            Now matter how it’s sliced or what it’s called, graveyard shift patrol is a downward move from homicide detective.

    • Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      Maybe he isn’t in an officer’s uniform because he plans on quitting his job today by letting the truth out.

      Reply
      • Two sides to a story says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm

        Or maybe he’s off today or on vacation – I don’t think he’s required to wear his uniform in court.

        Reply
  294. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Very persuasive interview. Again–how could he have smothered you and there is no ceasing of the yells.

    Also the confrontation–that doesn’t even sound like me.

    Reply
  295. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Remember Dale Gilbeath at the capias hearing? “We have the body; we have the shell casing, and we have the defendant’s statements.”

    Reply
  296. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    fogen looks uncomfortable more blinking…

    Reply
  297. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    bye bye gz bye bye

    Reply
  298. Girlp says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Noticed the murderer is breathing hard very hard…had to cut the sound off could not bear to hear Trayvon’s screams sometimes I can but this is one of those times I can’t.

    Reply
  299. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    I feel so sorry for the Fulton’s and Martins.

    Reply
  300. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    The smothering!!! This is a stellar day for the state!

    Reply
  301. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Chris knows that voice wasn’t smothered.

    Reply
  302. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    It is hard to hear Fogen’s response, to the screaming.

    Reply
    • gwynne says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      fogen is probably confused, how does he does he explain hand over mouth, smothering, but “he” is magically able to scream????
      hmmm…maybe the truth is coming out? no smothering?????

      Reply
  303. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “fucking punk can’t get away”

    this was a ruse when they took him into the hallway.

    george is crying here you can here it.

    Reply
  304. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I’m begging you!!!”

    I can hear it even on this crappy audio.

    Reply
  305. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “That doesn’t even sound like me”…….. GOLD

    Reply
  306. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    That doesn’t even sound like me! Because it’s not footinmouth

    Reply
  307. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I’m begging you, sounded like an 11yr old.

    Reply
    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      yup
      fuck Nakasone and his machines
      no one will ever convince that this was not Trayvon screaming
      in fact to even debate it is offensive

      Reply
  308. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    “The impression is you’re continuing to look…”
    Hell ya…

    Reply
  309. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    And she said, ‘no significant discrepancies.’ Yeah right!

    Reply
    • fauxmccoy says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      i think you are missing something — the focus of her testimony was solely on her first interview that we heard then — nothing else.

      Reply
      • Sabrina B. says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm

        O’Mara included in his question the interview with Serino, also. She may have misunderstood and thought he was only asking about the first interview but, he did throw that in there.

        Reply
        • fauxmccoy says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm

          o’mara can only go over what was presented in direct exam and she cannot testify as to what is in evidence. the serino interview was not in evidence. i did not hear what you are saying. please forgive me, but i think you may be mistaken.

          Reply
          • Sabrina B. says:
            July 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm

            I was not mistaken. It is at point 38:46 on Southerngrl’s copy below.

          • fauxmccoy says:
            July 1, 2013 at 5:51 pm

            i’ll check it out — that should have been strictly off the table as a question since it was referring to statements not yet in evidence.

            i know she was asked repeatedly about inconsistencies between the oral version she heard and the written statement she read, but never heard reference to a later interview.

          • fauxmccoy says:
            July 1, 2013 at 6:58 pm

            my mistake and my apologies – i must have been distracted for a few moments. as far as i understand, BDLR should have objected to that question because it was asking the witness to testify to facts not yet in evidence.

            this whole cop testimony today is surreal and i am reviewing it all to try to grasp what the prosecution is attempting to portray here.

          • Sabrina B. says:
            July 1, 2013 at 8:31 pm

            No problem. It is all so much to take in, I am pretty sure I missed some too. Another case of wading through the lies and distortions to get to the truth. Apology accepted.

          • fauxmccoy says:
            July 1, 2013 at 10:54 pm

            @sabrina

            thank you kindly, ma’am.

    • renahv says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      Singleton and Serino knew damn well fogen lied. THEY would have charged for murder two from the start…. but of course it wasnt their call. Lets see hmmm Whose call was it….?

      Reply
  310. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    It’s hard to believe his arrest was put off for 44 days!

    Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      they were looking for witnnesses. George KILLED the only good witness to how the pysical altercation began, and lied about the lead-up. If not for the NEN call recording SPD would never have known the kid ran.

      Reply
      • Beverly says:
        July 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm

        And Z probably got more casual/comfortable, whatever. Interesting strategy if that’s what it was…..helped build the picture.

        Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      THey didn’t arrest because they meant to let him go. When Lee was wiped out and WOlfinger was marginalized they began to see that it would NOT go away and then they realized the gig might be up. WHy otherwise would the cops feel “betrayed” that the guy was charged?

      Reply
  311. renahv says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Fogen is DONE. Tick tock (Racer’s clock) TIME IS OUT.

    Reply
  312. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Oh, there it is. Tell them to call me when they get here.

    Reply
  313. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    She calls it following.

    Reply
  314. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    singleton ‘and now you want to pretend, er, uh, want us to believe’

    Reply
  315. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Zimmerman is done now. DONE!

    Reply
  316. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    oh shit he is running, sounds like you are following him. You want us to believe you needed a flash light to go where you just ran? haha

    Reply
  317. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    This fat pig is TOAST!!!! And all the pro-Fogan media can kiss my ass! They’ve lied for a year!! These cops are saying what the crypt keepers have managed to suppress!

    Reply
  318. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I think his apparent flat affect is from his belief he’s an extension of the police. He talks to them like he’s part of the team.
    Below the surface, though, he’s full of anger and rage.

    Reply
  319. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I needed light scared of the dark scared of the BLAHCK.

    Reply
  320. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Serino reminds me of that guy who played Carla’s husband on Cheers!

    Reply
  321. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    They cut the point where Singleton says it sounds like you are going after him since he said to meet the police when they get there.

    Reply
  322. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    the wind noise coincides with the time it takes to reach the T< not RVC at a fast walk/jog and not a run. A fat boy jog.

    Reply
  323. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    will say this — am not thrilled with singleton on re-direct, thought her answers on cross exam were fair enough. in original interviews though, she was doing her damn job and doing it well.

    if have to believe there is a political situation within the department such that she is in CYA mode.

    Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm

      agree. there is more here than we will ever know. She has to work there, wants to love there and has to put up w coworkers and bosses.

      Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      Yes, … her job may safe enough based on her performance, but some of her buddies are in jeopardy of losing theirs. Promotions, commendations, raises are all likely out the window for a good long while.

      Plus if applying for a job anywhere else, can you imagine the snickers with Sanford PD on resume?

      May explain her apparent hostility.

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm

      She’s in “Don’t get demoted” mode.

      Reply
    • riisey007 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:56 pm

      I agree with you guys, I think she is playing it safe and not wanting anything to happen to her as far as her job goes. She knows that the taped interview will speak for itself. I kinda feel sorry for them. Seems her and Serino were doing their job. I think they both have been bullied.

      Reply
  324. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    84 seconds!

    Reply
  325. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    because I don’t know where I’ll be

    Reply
  326. hinkster4ever says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    @rhugheswftv says three jurors have hands over mouth while this is playing

    Reply
  327. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    He is beating shit out of his flash light.

    Reply
    • MedicineBear says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      CAC and his CACLegal Klan will be filing suit against the flashlight. (And it won’t be racially motivated — CAC has many pBa-lack flashlights).

      Reply
  328. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Oh here we go – just have them call me is coming up!

    Reply
  329. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    SIngleton calling him out on the reason he got out of the car. And he’s caught him on the “oh shit hes running” a detail George left out of EVERY ACCOUNT he presented to the cops.

    Reply
  330. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    He just racked his weapon and the round got jammed on the feed ramp. That’s why you hear the tapping.

    Reply
  331. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Serino confronts him with the wacky timeframe when Zim says he was headed back to the truck.

    Reply
  332. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    He was NOT on RVC by then, he was at the T, banging on his flashlight.

    Reply
  333. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    beautiful. keep playing that for the jury!

    Reply
  334. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    No wind when walking

    Reply
  335. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Tracy looks sharp today
    I like that all gray look is necessary

    Reply
  336. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Singleton nailed him good there.

    Reply
  337. Sabrina B. says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    He should not have been able to walk out of that interview without having posted bail.

    Reply
  338. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    A fraction of a second after he gets out. This jury better see the lies!

    Reply
  339. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Singlton catches him lying here about “are you still at the clubhouse now?” series of questions. George gets quite and she doenst press him harder. I still dont know if she understood or not that he was lying to her, but it seems that she does.

    Reply
  340. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    You didn’t tell me that you said, “Oh shit he’s running and got out of the car to go in the same direction as him”

    Reply
  341. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Serino can’t help but laugh at GZ.

    Reply
  342. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    THAT”S FOLLOWING! love it -from Serino

    Reply
  343. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    and I’m not following this blog. I’m just reading it when it launches

    Reply
  344. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Poor gz………alll of his life, he never had his lies played back to him

    Reply
  345. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    He still wanted to get address? TO where? Trayvon ran -how will an address help?

    Reply
  346. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Serino knows physics!

    Reply
  347. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    “He’s hiding from you” YES!

    Reply
  348. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    no one is asking for an address dumbass!

    Reply
  349. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Love Serino’s big cough after GZ says “punks.”

    Reply
  350. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I want them to play that over and over for the jury. He said ffing coons. Sorry for swearing, Professor.

    Reply
  351. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    You are right officer, he wasn’t a fucking punk – nor did GZ say he was. He said COON loud and clear !!!!!!

    Reply
  352. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    fucking coons..sorry, it’s not punk

    Reply
  353. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Why do murders lije j arrias an foggagge go into a fog when killing murdering innocents?

    Reply
  354. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    That’s not fear, lol.

    Reply
  355. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    He sounded like he ran to get away from Fogen. I will answer the question for him.

    Reply
  356. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    evade you, get away from you…….

    I am so glad the jury is hearing this!!

    Reply
    • Beverly says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      Mr. Evade looks like he is hearing it, also. I think he knows he is toast, if he has any awareness. I do not know how one loses a soul; so sad.

      Reply
  357. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Where are his blackeyes?

    Reply
  358. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    fogggagges never going to crash out of his prison CELL.

    Reply
  359. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Following in his car.

    Reply
  360. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I was behind him….following him

    Reply
  361. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    fogen is rapidly blinking

    Reply
  362. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Whispering, “I don’t remember” like it’s all a fog.

    Reply
  363. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    GZ had already heard his NEN tape somehow, because earlier he recited what the dispatcher had said about following and he said that that he responded, “OK.”

    Reply
  364. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Not one of those people who lived there and heard all the screaming and tussling, said anything about hearing anyone hiding in the bushes. I’m sure if Trayvon would have been hiding in the bushes someone would have heard that noise as well. That’s common sense. Bushes make noise too.

    Reply
  365. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    They also redacted the part where Serino told him that it wasn’t his job to do any of that. He could make a citizen’s arrest for a flony in progress but the kid wasn’t committing any crime. It was right after he said “you were working under the color of a private citizen”.

    Did I just miss that? Did anyone else hear it?

    Reply
    • lady2soothe says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      I posted the following on HP this morning in response:

      “glockgrrl…. So you think GZ was within his rights and all of our rights to carry out a citizen’s arrest?

      1) Felony: The felony must have actually occurred before an individual can make a citizen’s arrest.

      2) Breaches of the Peace: Individuals can only make arrests when they have personally witnessed the criminal behavior.

      3) If person acts on the request of law enforcement, any arrest they carry out must meet the same constitutional standards as an arrest by the law enforcement officers and must comply with the Fourth Amendments restrictions against unreasonable searches and seizures and warrant requirements.

      4) Reasonable Force: Individuals must only use the amount of force that is reasonable and necessary to make the arrest. The use of excessive force can open up the arresting individual to civil and criminal liability, and this is especially true when individuals use deadly force to apprehend criminals.

      5) Any use of deadly force during a citizen’s arrest which does not comply with the applicable state law could result in manslaughter or murder charges against the arresting individual, as well as a wrongful death lawsuit from the family of the suspected.

      And you call me a dolt, lol… Next time try researching the information prior to posting, it’s always better to invest a little time before stating an opinion otherwise you’ll CONTINUE looking REALLY uninformed.”

      Reply
  366. uhoh says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Remember to keep your hands above your head and run quickly to your destination!

    Reply
  367. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    kept looking around — yeah buddy! you were creeping him out!

    Reply
  368. MedicineBear says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Singleton: Instead of talking to him and identifying yourself as NW, you instead rolled up your window? This guy knew you were following him “Don’t you think that you might have seemed CREEPY to him?”

    Singleton characterizes his actions as CREEPY before she knows that’s exactly how Trayvon was describing him to DD!

    Reply
  369. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Thou thought to dwell,
    Till crash! the cruel coulter past
    Out thro’ thy cell

    MINE GOTT IF I COULDVE WRITTEN BETTER MYSELF????
    wAS Rabbie Burns a poet an seerer?

    Reply
  370. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Here comes the call!

    Reply
  371. Brandy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    I would love to see this whole interview in transcript form! SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES!!! This video will hang him, God willing

    Reply
    • Donna says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm

      yes. I mentioned that in a post on the last thread. I think the state put on Dr. Nakasoine (spelling) because Don Dumbwest mentioned it in his opening statement.

      I want to get my hands on that and see what it says again but I don’t want to hear West for 4 ffing hours.

      Reply
  372. Trained Observer says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Ye gods, this interview alone conveys to jurors how Trayvon was nothing less than stalked to the max ….

    Reply
  373. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    He got caught in a lie there. How did TM get close enough to punch him, without GZ being aware of that and keeping his distance?

    Reply
    • racerrodig says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm

      Happens all the time by when they “…come out of nowhere…” or “..the bushes…” not to mention the always scary “…out of the dark…”

      His lies on the reenactment are blatantly obvious now that the jury heard the NEN call several times and now the interviews.

      He’s sweating it now. It was fun and games when he thought West was beating RJ up last week…..it’s a new dawn Fogen….
      …a new dawn.

      Reply
  374. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Someone said it yesterday, where was Trayvon’s flashlight if he was looking into houses ?

    Reply
  375. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Interesting how he keeps going back to the previous incidents, as if they are not only connected, but also that he lacks confidence in the response of the police.

    Reply
  376. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Interesting that O’Mara did not release this part.

    Reply
  377. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    The 2 or 3 week ago shit is on my nerves. That is the past not what Trayvon did!

    Reply
  378. dianetrotter says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    He’s trying to justify killing someone by that August stuff????

    Reply
  379. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Fogen sounds like a little boy playing house.

    Reply
  380. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    He keeps referring to earlier incidents trying to exculpate his actions.

    Reply
  381. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    so now it’s the fault of the police. sometimes they come, sometimes….

    Reply
  382. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Oh so he did not circle the car. Why does he keep bringing up Shellie?

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm

      Wifey at home = big, strong fogen protecting the little woman. All must be forgiven the big, strong fogen keeping the white woman pure from balack defilement.

      Reply
  383. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Dance! George! Dance!

    Reply
  384. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    he circled my car but he didn’t circle my car

    Reply
  385. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    circling car story looks pretty silly about now

    Reply
  386. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    HERE IS THE FIRST TIME THAT GZ KNOWS THE COPS KNOW HE RAN>

    Reply
  387. groans says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Singleton said GZ probably looked “CREEPY’ to Trayvon!

    Reply
    • gwynne says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      No kidding. z was watching, stalking ..doesn’t identify himself, just thinks he owns the place, and had summarily decided Trayvon doesn’t belong there. Creepy totally describes z.

      Reply
  388. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Singleton here is at her best. I dont see why she seemed different in court today.

    Reply
    • chi1224 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm

      She is bringing out a lot of good points in her interview, she knew this was coming. I honestly don’t think she is pro-Fogan, just being very careful in court to answer the question only.

      Reply
      • ks says:
        July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm

        Agree. The prosecution was just laying the foundation with her. They are going step by step and pulling it all together. The lies are too blatant and obvious to explain away. Those tapes are telling the truth.

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        • chi1224 says:
          July 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

          I fully agree! I am so glad the jury is hearing this! Fogen is toast! For over a year now the media lied about this case, now the truth is coming out!

          Reply
          • ks says:
            July 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

            That’s why these tapes are so great. You credibly can’t spin them. It’s pretty clear that GZ is a pathological liar.

    • ada4750 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      She looks sympathetic to GZ. More precisely, it looks like she would like GZ free so her reputation would be washed.

      I got a different feeling from Serino up to now

      Reply
  389. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    she said CREEPY! HAHA

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  390. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    murdering prattle= murderous rage

    hONESTLY!

    Reply
  391. type1juve says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I sure hope the jury notices how Singleton handles this interview versus how she testified in court today.

    Reply
  392. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    You did not think you were meeting police officer at your truck. You thought they were calling you.

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      Exactly – effn liar. He had NO intention of going back to his truck and he NEVER said he was. He said have them call me.

      Reply
    • Cercando Luce says:
      July 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm

      At least now we have seen Fog’s phone records and know he didn’t shoot Trayvon because the police had called as they entered the neighborhood.

      Reply
  393. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Foggagge was a poor wee timouris besytie
    He had to blow Trayvons an the Martins HOME APART
    DESTROY THERE HOMES AN LIFES

    Never in History is a more apt poep written to describe this human piece of crap

    Why do I call IT FOGGAGGE=A groth of grss
    He killed TRAYVON on GRASS
    In the UK GRASS=POLICE INFORMER

    Thus the Sotish word foggagge describes him perfict to a T.

    Burns original

    Standard English translation

    Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
    O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
    Thou need na start awa sae hasty
    Wi bickering brattle!
    I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
    Wi’ murdering pattle.

    I’m truly sorry man’s dominion
    Has broken Nature’s social union,
    An’ justifies that ill opinion
    Which makes thee startle
    At me, thy poor, earth born companion
    An’ fellow mortal!

    I doubt na, whyles, but thou may thieve;
    What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
    A daimen icker in a thrave
    ‘S a sma’ request;
    I’ll get a blessin wi’ the lave,
    An’ never miss’t.

    Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin!
    It’s silly wa’s the win’s are strewin!
    An’ naething, now, to big a new ane,
    O’ foggage green!
    An’ bleak December’s win’s ensuin,
    Baith snell an’ keen!

    Thou saw the fields laid bare an’ waste,
    An’ weary winter comin fast,
    An’ cozie here, beneath the blast,
    Thou thought to dwell,
    Till crash! the cruel coulter past
    Out thro’ thy cell.

    That wee bit heap o’ leaves an’ stibble,
    Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
    Now thou’s turned out, for a’ thy trouble,
    But house or hald,
    To thole the winter’s sleety dribble,
    An’ cranreuch cauld.

    But Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
    In proving foresight may be vain:
    The best-laid schemes o’ mice an’ men
    Gang aft agley,
    An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
    For promis’d joy!

    Still thou are blest, compared wi’ me!
    The present only toucheth thee:
    But och! I backward cast my e’e,
    On prospects drear!
    An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
    I guess an’ fear!

    Small, crafty, cowering, timorous little beast,
    O, what a panic is in your little breast!
    You need not start away so hasty
    With argumentative chatter!
    I would be loath to run and chase you,
    With murdering plough-staff.

    I’m truly sorry man’s dominion
    Has broken Nature’s social union,
    And justifies that ill opinion
    Which makes you startle
    At me, your poor, earth born companion
    And fellow mortal!

    I doubt not, sometimes, but you may steal;
    What then? Poor little beast, you must live!
    An odd ear in twenty-four sheaves
    Is a small request;
    I will get a blessing with what is left,
    And never miss it.

    Your small house, too, in ruin!
    Its feeble walls the winds are scattering!
    And nothing now, to build a new one,
    Of coarse grass green!
    And bleak December’s winds coming,
    Both bitter and keen!

    You saw the fields laid bare and wasted,
    And weary winter coming fast,
    And cozy here, beneath the blast,
    You thought to dwell,
    Till crash! the cruel plough passed
    Out through your cell.

    That small bit heap of leaves and stubble,
    Has cost you many a weary nibble!
    Now you are turned out, for all your trouble,
    Without house or holding,
    To endure the winter’s sleety dribble,
    And hoar-frost cold.

    But little Mouse, you are not alone,
    In proving foresight may be vain:
    The best laid schemes of mice and men
    Go often awry,
    And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
    For promised joy!

    Still you are blessed, compared with me!
    The present only touches you:
    But oh! I backward cast my eye,
    On prospects dreary!
    And forward, though I cannot see,
    I guess and fear!

    Reply
    • Two sides to a story says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      Thank you, Colin.

      Reply
    • Woow! says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm

      Hi Colin,

      What do people on your side of the pond think about the racism in the U.S.? I have always wanted to get a foreigners point of view.

      Reply
    • abbyj1 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Colin, Many respects to you and Burns. How apt. How perfect.

      Now, you’ve got me thinking of the companion-piece: “To a Louse,” creepin’ and crawlin’ bloated and fat across a beautiful woman’s bonnet in church. If that ugly blood-bloated louse ISN’T FOGEN, what is? An ugly parasitic, blood-sucking creature. I hope you will consider doing a piece on “To a Louse” for us here. Thank you, Colin. You’ve got a real Burns lover here.

      Reply
  394. Donna says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    He has a bad memory on anything that has impact to shooting Trayvon. When repeating earlier crimes, he remembers details.

    I hope he can remember his cell block number!

    Reply
  395. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    He did not say “he’s not here” at the T. If he had the altercation would have been on tape. He’s FOS.

    Reply
  396. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I went PAST MY HAND. I thought he was holding him with his armpit? lol

    Reply
    • jo says:
      July 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      another good point willis….and just what was that left hand doing anyway….why didn’t he just move his hand out of the way….oh thats right because he was holding onto trayvons shirt to ensure he didn’t get away.

      Reply
  397. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    I think that they redacted the part where Serino asked about any mental/emotional difficulties that he might be medicated for.

    Reply
    • willisnewton says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:38 pm

      yes it appears that the pych evaluation and meds are out of bounds of what the jury will hear about.

      Should simplify things for both sides. George killled the kid, not the pills.

      Reply
      • fauxmccoy says:
        July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

        agreed – fine with me.

        Reply
        • Malisha says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

          Right. And it’s not “I couldn’t remember the street names because I have ADD” and it’s not “I forgot I had my gun because I’m on meds,” it’s:

          I made up that stuff about the street names because I thought that lie would fly. I figured I better not describe my original intent to use my trusty gun because it would make me look guilty of something.

          Reply
  398. ada4750 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    BDLR should stop the video at each key point and ask Serino to repeat.

    Reply
  399. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “I was walking where he had walked”… pathetic !

    He jumped out of the car no more than he had said “Shit, he’s running”!

    Reply
    • Tzar says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      and they would not arrest this guy

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      Singleton was the one who first told Fogen, “It sounds like you got out of your car to follow him; you said ‘shit he ran’ and then you got out of your car.”

      Singleton got talked to. That’s what happened.

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      • BillT says:
        July 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm

        exactly, she clearly did NOT believe his BS and pointed out several times how silly it was, then today on the stand she testified she saw NOTHING inconsistent…..comparing her interview with him and testimony shows me she perjured herself today!

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        • Malisha says:
          July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm

          Of course, for perjury it has to be both relevant and material. A police officer’s opinion on whether a suspect is telling the truth or not is NOT relevant and essentially immaterial. Singleton knew she could get away with the lie. That’s why she told it.

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          • jm says:
            July 1, 2013 at 9:39 pm

            “Singleton knew she could get away with the lie. That’s why she told it.”

            Is Baez advising her also?

  400. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    We do not care about prior guys, Fogen.

    Reply
  401. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Ha, by then he’d talked to Osterman and now denies that NEN told him not to follow.

    Reply
  402. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    The claim that Trayvon had his hand over Fogen’s mouth and nose is going to be (another) obvious lie to the jury, the 911 screams are not muffled in any way!

    Reply
    • gwynne says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm

      And Trayvon’s hands were clean. No fogen blood to be found.

      Reply
    • lurker says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm

      Where were Z’s hands while all this was happening?

      That fight school must have taught him a thing or two to do in that situation–flat hand to the nose, fist to the crotch, fingers to the eyes. What was he doing?

      Reply
    • elcymoo says:
      July 1, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      Don’t forget that O’Mara also suggested to PA Lindzee Folgate that GZ might also have been swallowing blood. Wouldn’t any scream from him have sounded like a choked gargle?

      Reply
  403. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    I have a bad memory
    it’s 3 fucking streets George
    you remembered “Leland”, right george?
    how are a neighborhood watch organizer and have such bad memory george?

    Reply
  404. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    the best is yet to come. wait til they play him the recording.

    Reply
  405. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    He was so afeared his poor wee timourous beastie what a power in his breastie
    The best laid plans o mice an man aft gang agly……………

    Tzar says:

    July 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    oh it was raining
    oh also he was walking too slow
    oh yeah also..
    I was on my back
    MY BACK
    did you hear
    I said my back
    my back ok?

    he also punched my nose
    every time too
    can I go home now?

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    colin black says:

    July 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    No I am so laid back my blood pressure normal can I go home now
    I shot him one time
    He got IT
    I put my handson my head an to;d the officer
    my guns right here

    I let him hand cuff me an every thing
    I was just seconds from death or diperdom an then martyrdom I had to turn his heart ton mincemeat.
    Its always barbeque season in FLORIDA
    Or be that Barbric time?

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  406. gbrbsb says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Well in the re-enactment GZ did remember it was “Twin Trees Lane” and he said it loud and clear.

    Reply
  407. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Funny how he came up with Twin Trees Lane with no trouble during the walk through.

    Reply
  408. whonoze says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “How do you not know the names of the three streets after three years.”

    “I have a terrible memory.”

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm

      Did you notice his voice, the way it changed when he started saying he had a bad memory – fake voice “well to tell you the truth, blah, blah, blah but it was not the truth. or to be honest – or whatever he said –

      Reply
      • type1juve says:
        July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

        When he says “to be honest” that’s when you know the lie is coming.

        Reply
      • Deborah Moore says:
        July 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

        He’s got several “tells”, doesn’t he.
        He’s a case, alright.
        I’m no professional, of course. Just what I see and hear.

        Reply
    • Xena says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      “I have a terrible memory but I can remember everything that Trayvon did that caused me to use deadly force.”

      Reply
    • riisey007 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm

      If he is that dumb he must have used bread crumbs to find his way in and out of his neighborhood. My 4 year old god daughter tells me exactly how to get to her house and we have t otake several turns and red lights. This fool Zimmerman is just unbelievable.

      Reply
      • Big Willie says:
        July 1, 2013 at 7:11 pm

        Children who are too little to see out car windows, know how to get home by looking up at the billboards, and Foggen wants us to believe his BS.

        Reply
  409. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    oh they are redacting his ADHD and med. info.

    Reply
  410. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    This is real retarded, sir.

    Reply
  411. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Bad memory my ASSS

    Reply
  412. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Bad memory. Puke.

    Reply
  413. greenwarrior4 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    I’ve been at the rally at the Texas Capitol and just returned. What have I missed? I left while the prosecution was still questioning the voice expert.

    Reply
  414. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    He reaches into waste band and you still get out of the car!

    Reply
  415. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Snap. He had a right to defend himself especially when you are reaching in your pocket. So in other words, even by your lies Zimmerman, he had a right to defend himself.

    Reply
  416. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    He has every right to defend himself—- damn straight!!

    Reply
  417. type1juve says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    He’s making me sick constantly talking about his “injuries”, always the victim NOT.

    Reply
  418. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    He perceived you as a threat. Yep.

    Reply
  419. gldgirl63 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    i cannot understand what he is saying not clearly… anyway????

    Reply
  420. MedicineBear says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Notice how HUGE GZ looks compared to Serino in the video view — but NOT in the mirror behind them.

    LIKE THE 7-ELEVEN VIDEO VIEW of TM and the store clerk!

    Serino: “Trayvon was tall and skinny”

    Reply
  421. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    “Has it gotten through to you that if you had let him know you are neighborhood watch you might not be here now?”

    Reply
    • Beverly says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm

      Or that the NW supv. told him not to follow/to stay in the car. Does not believe in rules…..

      Reply
  422. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Is there anything this clown DOESN’T lie about?

    Reply
  423. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    did I miss something, did (as he says his doc) aka pa, send him for xrays? how could she diagnose a sprain of his spine–vs a fracture, etc?

    Reply
    • elle says:
      July 1, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      I have not read the report in quite sometime, but if I remember correctly, she did not diagnose a sprain in his sacroiliac.

      Reply
  424. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Wassup with the edited tape?

    Reply
  425. Deborah Moore says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Mister just said, I was getting an owie, so I better call the waaaambulance.

    Reply
  426. disappointed says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    He even lied about his weight! Said 194 they weighed him at 204.

    Reply
    • MedicineBear says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm

      Notice how HUGE he looks compared to Serino from the camera lens.

      Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm

      And his height: Said 5′ 8″ — when other records show 5′ 7 1/2″

      (I prefer to think of him as a doomed fat man walking.)

      Reply
  427. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    oh it was raining
    oh also he was walking too slow
    oh yeah also..
    I was on my back
    MY BACK
    did you hear
    I said my back
    my back ok?

    he also punched my nose
    every time too
    can I go home now?

    Reply
    • colin black says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

      No I am so laid back my blood pressure normal can I go home now
      I shot him one time
      He got IT
      I put my handson my head an to;d the officer
      my guns right here

      I let him hand cuff me an every thing
      I was just seconds from death or diperdom an then martyrdom I had to turn his heart ton mincemeat.
      Its always barbeque season in FLORIDA
      Or be that Barbric time?

      Reply
  428. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    He doesn’t have any hair to grab.

    Reply
  429. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Audio too loud… can’t hear certain words.

    Reply
    • greenwarrior4 says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm

      Now where’s the court reporter to ask them to repeat things that aren’t understandable?

      On another note, I’ve been at the rally at the Texas Capitol and just returned. What have I missed? I left while the prosecution was still questioning the voice expert.

      Reply
  430. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    an this is your phyco pal f taffes house whats that got to do wiv TRAYVONS MURDER

    OH YEhe is also blahk an you were sick of thease assehole getting away

    AND EVEN WORSE COMMON MAINTENCE GUYS ACTUALLY BAGGING A LIVE ONE

    IM GONE A BAG ME DEAD NIGGER CHILD AN BECOME RICH AN CELEBRETY AN IFAMOUS AN STUFF
    AN FAMOUS AN PLOUGH THROUGH THREE QUATER O A MILLION BUCKS POCKET MONEY

    pretty hard to spend in prison commiiserry.

    Reply
  431. type1juve says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Fogen is one crazy, paranoid, racist mofo!

    Reply
  432. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    He didn’t mention looking like he was on drugs or anything this time, just the walking leisurely in the rain. What an ass.

    Reply
  433. ada4750 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    The audio i listened of this video is much better quality.

    Reply
  434. lurker says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Why did Taaffee leave his house wide open when he’s not at home if they were all in the midst of such a gigantic crime wave.

    Reply
  435. FactsFirst says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    WTF is fogen talking about? I’m lost…

    Reply
  436. gwynne says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I really dislike z’s conspiratorial tone…I’m one of you, wink, wink…I am a great citizen, we both are after the bad guys.

    Reply
  437. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Easier to hear if you turn down your volumn

    Reply
  438. dremn2004 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    follow

    Reply
  439. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Fogen keeps going back to the prior crimes, like that justifies Trayvon’s murder!

    Reply
  440. ada4750 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    The jury won’t understand nothing. What the hell is that.

    Reply
  441. Tzar says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    uh oh
    Serino had a second recorder
    holy shit

    Reply
  442. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    lies, lies, lies

    Reply
  443. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    The audio quality is really poor

    Reply
  444. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    video has horrible sound quality 😦

    Reply
  445. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    video of interview!

    Reply
  446. Nef05 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    He noticed she kept her firearm from someone, but he forgot he even had his? Right… 🙄

    Reply
  447. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    My wifes a messs
    What you doing Tuesday night?

    Reply
  448. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    The screen is black.

    Reply
  449. Xena says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    How did Trayvon smother GZ and then run his hand down his chest, but GZ thinks he had something in his hands all that time?

    (Not following, but reading when time allows.)

    Reply
  450. YQ says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Time for the part where he claims to have “aimed” and “shot” the victim. This is going to lead to the question of how he didn’t know that he shot the kid.

    Reply
  451. chi1224 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I lost my feed for a couple mins due to my modem, did I miss anything important?

    Reply
  452. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    wow, ive not seen this video. only heard the audio when was this in discovery?

    Reply
    • YQ says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Dang, dude… this is where YOU KNOW FOR SURE that he intended to kill the kid. He “aimed” and “shot”.

      Not only that, the evidence of asphixiation is included.

      Reply
      • Trained Observer says:
        July 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

        Oh, yeah, and took special pains in the heat of the moment not to shoot his own hand. (All the better to impress the cops with his firearm expertise — “See, guys, I’m one of you.” )

        Reply
        • Cercando Luce says:
          July 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm

          And made even more effort to stick the gun under the photo button– even more impressive firearm expertise– since the hole wasn’t apparent for a moment.

          Reply
  453. fauxmccoy says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    not following

    Reply
  454. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Nah, he was just focused on my head…

    AND WHAT WERE YOU FOCUSED ON WITH YOUR ARMS AND HANDS, dude?

    Reply
  455. Two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    What happened to the defense’s bha-lack interns?

    Reply
  456. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Now it is all going to come together about Zimmerman’s lies. This tape will seal the deal.

    Reply
  457. colin black says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    17TH NOT FOR LONG

    colin black says:

    July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    So casual Hes GONE yup we know hes GONE you MURDERED HIM
    WENT TO WORK WITH HER TAMPONS ONMINEE HEAD NOT WORK DOH A RE ENACTMENT!

    Reply
  458. Deborah Moore says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Thanks, Proff.
    This is so challenging for me to watch.
    Love the purple eye shadow, tho.

    Reply
  459. MichelleO says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I am just George Zimmeran, a nice Catholic boy.

    Reply
  460. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Whats with the redactions? Did they edit out Shellie and dad because of a defense motion?

    Reply
  461. MichelleO says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Am I missing something? Why didn’t they make him reenact exactly what happened until they ended up where he killed the boy? And why is he acting like he is such a nice boy scout wuss? This is an ex-bouncer and street brawler. Someone who is training to be a fighter; and someone with a gun on their person. Does it make sense that he is following a stranger in the dark but forgets his own gun?

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      About as much sense as he is a NW captain and can’t remember the name of three streets in the hood.

      That would sure make me feel safe!

      Reply
  462. willisnewton says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Smith didn’t have his weapon out. Not sure what that means, but it seems to be what everyone is saying.

    Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      July 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      And why would that be? He knew his pal Z was up and walking, while the “suspect” was done dead?

      Reply
  463. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    The swelling wouldn’t let them do anything with his nose? WHAT?!

    Reply
  464. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Did the PA mention stitches in her testimony?

    Reply
  465. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    That spreading his arms nonsense should be enough to show him a liar. It is obvious and blatant.

    Reply
  466. Judy75201 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    5

    Reply
  467. Sophia33 says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Three

    Reply
  468. two sides to a story says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Twosies?

    Reply
  469. Rachael says:
    July 1, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Thank you mwahhhh!

    Reply

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