Monday, May 20, 2013
Good afternoon:
According to Local Channel 10, court administrators for the Seminole County Circuit Court have been working with the Sanford Police Department to set-up designated areas for protesters to occupy during the Zimmerman trial.
Designated zones will be set up for protestors to guarantee business at the courthouse will be uninterrupted.
Court administrators said they are finalizing the plans and will release them publicly once the chief judge signs the order.
“I think they’re doing the right thing to be proactive in case there is an emotional outbreak,” said Ray Sands, a central Florida resident.
The Sanford Police Department has been preparing for months, but the department was so heavily criticized for its handling of the shooting investigation, they are hesitant to talk preparations publicly.
People like Carmen Colon says they should.
“So people can be aware of what’s going to happen,” Colon said.
While police won’t address plans, they have to be prepared for the worst. Online extremists are asking for thousands of people to show up at the trial to protest.
“Everybody is expecting the trial, so I hope everything is in peace and there is no problem,” Colon said.
I have to admit that I had not given much thought to the possibility of protesters attending the trial and I am not aware that “online extremists are asking for thousands of people to show up at the trial to protest.”
Just so the record is clear, I am not calling for protests or urging anyone to protest. Like everyone else seeking justice for Trayvon, I want the defendant to have a fair trial with due process of law. So far as I can tell, that is going to happen. Therefore, I do not have a reason to protest.
Although I will not attend the trial, I will be watching it via livestream and reporting on what is happening.
I do not monitor pro-defendant websites because they lack substantive content. I know that some of you occasionally do visit.
Have any of you seen requests “for thousands of people to show up at the trial to protest?”
I would not be surprised if a large crowd gathers to await the verdict.
What do you all think?
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Response to today’s ignorant headlines that state new defense discovery shows ‘new’ photos.
BTW, the discovery documents are not yet listed with the court clerk.
New???? How did LLMPapa get the photos for his great little exposé of the lie about the degree, and the years since, and still no two year degree, as ‘evidenced’ by all smiles for grad picture to support the big lie that falsifies (without correction by completing the requirements) an academic credential.
Rene Stutzman says that he was kicked out after the killing Trayvon Martin because of safety concerns. That is incorrect. He simply DID NOT graduate (although he celebrated his “graduation” as if he had) and would not have been awarded a degree even had he not killed anybody; what the school did in kicking him out was to prevent him from returning to re-do those courses he failed and thus prevent him from completing the degree he pretended he had already earned.
NOTE: He did not sue the school. Therefore, even Fogen and his bonker-lawyers and his groupie “journalist” could not have managed to fix their faces to say: “That just happened because of racism against decent American Afro-Peruvians.”
Think of it: Had they kicked him out even though he had earned a degree, citing “safety” as their reason, and thus denied him the fruits of all his studies for NO REASON although he was innocent and was being railroaded — he would have had a multi-million dollar case.
Some graphics artiste needs to replace his mortar board with a dunce cap. (And spread it far and wide 🙂 )
LOL
If I wear a Superman outfit, does that mean I am Superman?
Only if you have a girlfriend named Lois.
Did you see the photos O’Mara published of Trayvon at the 7-11? He wants to create an image of a big, very black and scary Trayvon Martin for potential jurors to show Zimmerman had reason to fear. I see you Mark ‘OMara. You’re a despicable human being.
But too bad, the hoodie photo they include was taken with proper adequate lighting, shows a much lighter grey than I’d imagined.
Not at all the black, tall undefined, wide angle skew shown by the local media’s reproductions of the store video version.
I don’t see MOM’s point, if the jury were to see his picture and then have to compare it to the pictures they will be shown by the prosecution, who are they going to believe? The SP who is able to back everything up with evidence, or a defense who merely blows hot air and windmills with it’s hands?
Without their own witnesses, these stories they’re trying to tell are never going to get before the jury. Instead the defense will be reduced to trying to badger and bully prosecution witnesses. At the start of the trial, that will seem interesting, since it portends to lead somewhere. However, after several witnesses and several days, and this bulling and badgering leads nowhere, the jury tires of it. A few more times and the jury get’s angry. Finally the jury realizes that there is simply no defense, just as we do.
I think MOM’s act has already gotten racists so demoralized that they don’t even desire to mount the effort to get on the jury, they’re turning their backs on gz, since they have no faith that he can put on any defense. MOM is only driving that point home with his irrelevant offers and ridiculous machinations.
SG2~ all I see is a teenager coming in out of the cold. Nothing remarkable.
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Nothing at all. But ‘OMara published very darken photos.
IF Trayvon had been smoking weed outside on a porch at Brandy’s place, neighbors would know from the smoke smell that someone was smoking in that area. Someone like fogen could know first or second hand.
Had he seen Trayvon smoking anything somewhere that night, he couldn’t use that in his story, and wouldn’t have a particular answer to ‘why on drugs?’ from Serino. He would have to fudge it, and just add the ‘he’s on drugs’ to his NEN call for reason of suspicion.
Couldn’t say he was following him back onto RTL grounds, saw him with a smoke earlier on.
hat might be what the defense will use in some convoluted fashion, to legitimize fogen following.
I want to know if anyone with a good olfactory sense, could smell pot smoke in the damp jacket (dampness can enhance and hold scent. And to when Trayvon may last have smoked pot, was there any level of THC or other smoke components in a residue test of Trayvon’s mouth, or on his finger tips?
Demonizing and criminalizing and thugifying continues.
It’s a fact that water or water movement tones down and / or hides smells entirely…it was raining. When I peel and cut onions, I run cold water and it knocks the odor down quite a bit.
I doubt Fogen would have smelled any residual pot smell…..
Wait Duhhhhhh there was the smallest traces of THC, so Bernie will “smoke” Fogens team on that one.
Even this toxicologist, after trying to say that Trayvon may have smoked MJ that night, goes on to say that it could also have been days earlier and merely leaves out the opinion that it could also be the result of Trayvon merely walking through an area where people were smoking. Thus, unless they can come up with someone who can say that they were there with Trayvon and smoking, this whole thing is an exercise in futility and prejudicial without being probative.
Apparently MOM and West think that having some one willing to say they sold Trayvon MJ is going to be a big addition to their case. What case? Whether or not Trayvon had, obtained, smoked or even sold MJ has nothing to do with proving the charges against the defendant. It is not a material element that either proves or disproves the charge, all it does is create inconclusive negative innuendo that proves absolutely nothing at all, save that if Trayvon did smoke, he’s highly unlikely to be an attacker, because the drug acts counter to aggression.
Which is why I ask if MOM is trying to get gz convicted? Because once he puts this idea before the jury, BDLR will simply have his expert explain that the drug is a counter aggressive, thus, if the defense claims were true, and they can’t be proven, but if they were true, then gz is the only aggressive read actor at the scene. He’s angry, he’s armed and he’s dangerous. According to his story he has had no dinner, nothing to eat, not invited to eat by any of his “friends”, and without money, facing eviction and repo of his truck.
His phone was on a pre paid scheme, so, without funds that would soon be cut off too.
DEFENDANT’S 2nd SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
Click to access 2_supplemental_discovery.pdf
Note well this discovery includes FINALLY a color version of the map GZ marked for Singleton that shows a position for his car facing the mail kiosk. There are many important clues on this document and I’m not going to go into them all here, just noting that to me this is a keystone piece of evidence.
I guess Exhibit N is the one that breaks the case wide open. And how does being able to walk with the class, despite not actually graduating, figure into this……Oh, it proves he’s a fraud from the jump…..sorry, my bad.
Defense attorneys release scores of photos, preparing for George Zimmerman trial
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-photos-20130522,0,5366897.story
Defense attorneys have just released scores of new photos as they prepare for the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial, including new photos of the clothes he and Trayvon Martin wore the night they got into a fight and Zimmerman killed the teenager.
Those new photos were taken by Zimmerman’s defense team in August at a state crime lab. They show pieces of evidence after they had been analyzed, including the bullet hole in the hoodie Trayvon wore and the gun Zimmerman used.
Many of the photos were released last year, including some from the night of the shooting. They include now-iconic photos that show Zimmerman with a bloody nose and blood on the back of his head.
Five of the photos show Trayvon about an hour before the shooting as the 17-year-old bought Skittles and a soft drink at a 7-Eleven.
Some of the photos appear to support Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. For example, photos taken at the Sanford police station that night after he’s been cleaned up by paramedics show a cut across the bridge of his nose and several areas of redness – perhaps abrasions – on the back and sides of his head.
One of the right side of his head, shows six areas of discoloration.
But police close-ups of Zimmerman’s hands show no evidence of cuts or scrapes, something you might expect on someone who had just been in a fight.
The photos are part of a set of evidence that defense attorneys late yesterday released to prosecutors, notifying them that they may be used at Zimmerman’s trial, which is scheduled to begin June 10 in Sanford.
Among the new photos are two that show Zimmerman in cap and gown at a graduation ceremony at Seminole State College. School records show that although he went through the ceremony, he did not graduate because he failed an astronomy class in the fall of 2011.
areas pf discoloration. There are several that are wiped bloodm not bruising. Could be from fogen himself putting his hands up there and mucking about for whatever reason.
And note in the cap and gown photo, there is a big sign in the auditorium over his head, that reads ‘Champion or Champions’ three times. Some champion, but kinda a nice touch it’s there, for fogen, isn’t it. Champion with cap gown and no 2 year degree, what a faker because he still hasn’t got that degree, maybe he sould have applied once (if) one more qualifying course was completed instead of pretending he had the 2 year associates. He implied he had accomplished an academic qualification that he did not have, while continuing for his bachelors.
If he’ll lie about a degree or money, he’ll certainly lie about murder.
@SG2.
BINGO!
Yes SG2, absolutely.
BDLR “..ok Mr. Fogen, this picture shows you at graduation, correct”
Fogen “…um….yes”
BDLR “But in fact you never did graduate, or earn enough credits, I should say….in fact, it was out of the goodness of their hearts, they let you walk with the class, correct?”
Fogen “……..um…….I wasn’t……um…..”
BDLR “in fact, you spent over seven years and didn’t pass, correct?”
Fogen “…….see…….my wife, um….”
BDLR “….so, in effect, this picture, which you have as a defense exhibit, clearly shows you’re a liar and a fraud, no matter what we’re talking about……..correct??”
Moron O’ Mara “Objection”
Judge Nelson “Grounds ?? it is the defense exhibit counselor”
O’ Mara “I object that my clients a liar, er, he wanted to use that pic. er, object to his answer, that is…………”
Judge Nelson “Overruled”
O’ Mara “Damn”
Judge Nelson “What was that ??”
Hahaha…. good, very good. I especially like “…um… my wife…” hahaha.
There is so little any real defense team would use there that will actually help. But Nooooooo He’ll wave that crap around trying to show Fogen is an educated well – rounded guy….they’ll partly correct on that rounded thing.
ay2z~ well now gz will have LOTS of time behind bars to complete any degree he wants! 35-life and MAYBE he’ll finish that Associate’s Degree!
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Hmmmmmmm !!
Fogen was a young man, He had a heart of stone.
Lived 9 to 5 never worked his fingers to the bone.
Just barely got out of school, came from the heart of town.
Fought like a switchblade thought no one could take him down.
He had no money, oooh no good at home.
He walked the streets a soldier and he fought the world alone
And now it’s
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
Hate in his heartbeat, His veins burned gasoline.
It kept his motor running but it never kept him clean.
They say he loved adventure, “Fogen’s the wild one.”
He married trouble, had a courtship with a gun.
Bang Bang Shoot ’em up, The profiling never ends.
You can’t think of dying when racism’s your best friend
And now it’s
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
“Self defense will happen” they all heard Fogen say
He fired his one shot to the wind – then child blew a child away.
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
29 and life You got it (homie)
29 and life you know
Your crime is time and it’s
29 and life to go
Woooooo Ohhhhhhhh Woooooooo Ohhhhhhhh
I can’t figure out how to get the answer to this question, though: Is the defense planning to use the “bloody head cell phone picture” that was allegedly snapped of the back of Fogen’s head while he was at the crime scene, only minutes after having killed Trayvon Martin, and in which photo he appears to be speaking on a cell phone he is holding up to his right ear?
O’Mara had commented at the time that ABC aired that picture (having “received” it) that he was not sure IF or HOW the defense was going to use it.
???
What a joke, he’s walking around “terrified that the police will see him with a gun and shoot him”, but he doesn’t put the gun in the holster until Smith arrives some three full minutes after the shot. There’s a video coming soon, wait for it.
I believe………..Wild Billie, take your hat off, your’e an asshole.
[this video is no longer available at youtube]
no longer available? Good on Youtube for listening, and why didn’t I think of filing a complaint. Good on those who did and thank you.
ay2z~ LOL! At least we got to see it and laugh our buns off!
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A Change For Trayvon
There are no pictures like @33, @38, @45, @50, @1:14, @1:33 @1:40 @1:48, of Fogen anywhere on this earth.
racer~ RIGHT you are! Nobody ever really loved gz. Martin was richer than gz could EVER be, even if he lived to 100! And I bet that RANKLES zimmy. I hope he rankles him for the rest of his life.
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Exactly. This guy graduated 315 out of 317 meaning…..
and I can guarantee he was that dipshit (pardon my French) that would walk up to some group and start with his BS. He’s the one who only caught part of the conversation and would try and impress everyone and blurt out some crap like “…..oh yeah, I did her last week…” causing eyes to roll. Lie about everything and rat on kids for no reason other than trying to be the hero….
Here Ya go Race…..Another rewrite
“Mama’s don’t let your babies grow up to be fogens”
I’m trying to get to your other one. i didn’t forget and I’ll get them done tonight or in the AM……been real busy in the shop.
No rush…..leavin’ for the rendezvous tomorrow evening or early Saturday……back Monday…..
U hold down the fort while I’m gone Pardner 🙂
MMP- I honor your new avatar. Thank you. My spouse is also a vet. She’s temping at a company before starting school again. Her supervisor said,” you were in the military? Thank you!” Totally shocked her! I guess the message is spreading. Thank you.
Sent from my iPod
Will do partner…take care and be safe,,
@SG2. Love that video!!!
How embarrassing Finlay is to normal people!
Even tea party types are unwilling to be associated with his crackpot effusions. If he can bring 100 people to any protest anywhere I will be surprised, unless he offers free beer and pizza.
Whether Judge Nelson lets this in or not, the jury already knows, unless they have been hiding under a bag of rocks.
They may have biases against any chemical mood altering substance, not because it’s illegal, but because it’s a personal view, moral choice for themselves that they might use to judge others, or a religious position.
I don’t know if the Church of the Common Notary, has any such restrictions on alcohol or mj.
I also don’t know about southern Baptists, but RC’s definitely do NOT have any rules against drinking, in communion, with a spaghetti dinner, or just because.
DEFENDANT’S REPLY TO STATE’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER/MOTION IN LIMINE REGARDING TOXICOLOGY
Click to access 052113_reply_limine_toxicology.pdf
Yeah West is lying. He came there with pot???? notice he does not provide supporting documnets, because he has none. I’ve seen his act (as you have too) in court.
He’ll say he smoked it hours prior to the incident and provide no proof.
@boyd. Just wondering. Who is the defense going to get to testify that they gave or sold Trayvon pot to bring with him to Sanford?
Do you remember that security bill? I do.
Bernie will suck their eyes out in court resulting in West pointing at Fogen and saying in that pussy voice….him…..him and Sundance Crackpot made me do it……..it wasn’t my idea…I swear.
Xena, that’s when ole West begins his stammering. Judge Nelson will listen with her straight face. Make her decision.
Go pound sand West!
MOM will slid down in his chair and comment I knew you would do that.
I doubt Nelson will let it all in. She may allow the Pot in the system, not enough to get a DUI. I’m a juror it’s irrelevant.
I hope BDLR spends a lot of time looking at George’s prescriptions pills. Paranoia was a big side effect on two of his prescritions
@boyd.
When Judge Nelson repeats to make sure she understands what West wants, he tries to change subjects; such as, “Well, that’s not the point of this hearing.” O’Mara repeats the same word at least twice, such as “very, very,” really really.” I was going to do a video about that. 🙂
Jeralyn is saying the defense claims he brought a Blunt at the 7-11. They claim he might have brought it off 3 people outside the 7-11. but she doubts they have proof.
Kinda reminds me of OJ’s defesne. It was the one-armed man.
That’s an old story from the outhouse.
The prosecution can counter with Fogen stole it all from Trayvon and handed it to SheLie….who got it off the crime scene….
Actually the level is so low, there could be two possibilities:
a) Trayvon smoked it a few weeks ago before the incident
b) Trayvon was simply around people who smoked, thus inhaling second hand smoke
I believe West can get in trouble for that, because it is false presentation of information, as the toxicology report says different than what he claims, and a scientist will know more than West
The defense is tap dancing in a minefield and it’s only a matter of time before they step directly on one.
Just hope they’re wearing ear protection when they step on it…..don’t want any “hearing” loss now do we?
I believe they are already dumb & stupid……deaf is just a matter of time…..blind, that happened a long time ago.
‘His act in court’– what a good topic for a short (very short by pointed) video on his grand smackdown by Bernie DLR. Even with his finely thought out crafted answers (speaches), he got egg on his face with the ‘letter’ issue, trying to make the state look bad, but he only made himself look foolish on this point, plain and simple.
I’ve seen MOM, West and gz swaying in court, does this mean that they were all under the influence of drugs? Wow! Talk about desperate moves.
@Lonnie Starr. West talks like he’s tied one on before appearing in court. In one of GZ’s jailhouse calls to Papa Zim, Papa Zim sounded like he was drunk.
Actually they have DNA samples of Fogen from the night of the incident. The state can counter back with that toxicology report on Fogen. Besides that, it will not help them at all. There was a case where this Fogen like guy pulled a gun on some teenage kids and claimed they were smoking weed. The mother came, picked up the teenage kids and called the cops on the guy who brandished the gun. The guy who brandished the gun told the same song and dance in court and that guy got convicted of aggravated assault with a firearm. It’s already been decided in law that suspicion of marijuana possession or use, in Florida, does not give you the right to attack and threaten the people whom you suspect of marijuana possession or use, as in the example I gave, which is actual Florida case law. I do not remember the name of the case though.
They don’t have a toxicology report on GZ though. DNA samples are not the same thing. Not even sure that they can do a drug test on his hair because they can only go back as far as the hair goes and if this is not the hair he had at that time…
Jun~ I don’t think they took any blood samples. That would have identified the medications in gz’s system. A buccal swab will only identify his DNA but not any foreign substances in his system.
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Lord Have Mercy…
Defense attorneys: Jurors at George Zimmerman trial should hear about Trayvon’s pot use
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-marijiana-20130521,0,2409628.story
Trayvon Martin brought marijuana with him to Sanford from South Florida, according to new paperwork filed Monday by George Zimmerman’s attorney, and used it at least once before he was killed.
Two weeks ago, prosecutors filed paperwork asking Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to ban defense attorneys and witnesses from telling jurors that blood samples taken from Trayvon during his autopsy tested positive for marijuana use.
Defense attorney Don West Monday filed his written response: That information is relevant, so jurors should know about it.
Nelson will likely rule on it during a day-long hearing May 28 in Sanford.
According to West’s three-page response, a state toxicologist, Dr. Bruce Goldberger, determined that the amount of marijuana in Trayvon’s system was enough to cause some impairment, although not enough to get him arrested for DUI, had he been behind the wheel of a car.
Trayvon may have used marijuana a couple of hours before his death or longer if he were an occasional or regular user, West quoted Goldberger as saying.
In addition, West wrote that attorneys have learned that Trayvon brought marijuana with him from South Florida to Sanford a few days before his shooting and used it at least once during his stay there.
All of that is relevant, West wrote, because Zimmerman told a police dispatcher shortly before shooting Trayvon that he believed the Miami Gardens teenager was suspicious and may have been on drugs.
West also wrote that in a 7-Eleven security video taken about an hour before the fatal confrontation, Trayvon appears to sway while standing at the checkout counter.
At the time, Trayvon was serving a 10-day suspension because school officials had found an empty marijuana baggie in his backpack.
Zimmerman is the 29-year-old former Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon’s death.
The defendant says he acted in self-defense when he shot the high school junior Feb. 26, 2012.
On another matter, West also asked the judge to make a state audio expert reduce the amount of money he’s demanding. Tom Owen wants $3,300 before he’ll agree to sit for a deposition.
West wrote that that’s an unreasonable fee and asked the judge to reduce it to $250 to $400 per hour. He predicted the deposition would last two hours.
Owen told the Orlando Sentinel last year that he believed the voice crying for help in the background of a 911 call was not George Zimmerman.
What proof do they have Trayvon brought anything to Sanford….I’d be on the phone with Mr. Crump about now. Proof, freaking proof, of which there is none.
They are beyond despicable.
Chronic?……How do minute amounts equal “chronic” user?
DUDE….CHRONIC?……U could get high on one of my farts…
Remember this is Colorado and I have my red card for pain management……..
He cites no source nor proof of ant pot being brought with him. Gee, sounds like a Fogen probable cause investigatio9n.
So what if he had? What does that have to do with GZ shooting him? So they tied this in with he looks like he is on drugs? Since when is it okay to shoot someone who “looks” like they are on drugs any more than it is okay to shoot someone who “looks” suspicious?
And for that matter, what about GZ, he sounded like he was up to no good (going after azzles and *oons) and sounded like he was on drugs.
Give me a break!!!!!
I don’t care if Trayvon was high as a kite. It still does not make it okay for GZ to “go in the same direction” and shoot him.
They’re just digging a better grave. Sundance Crackpot probably told them to get back on the pot issue. Whooptee Dooo. It won’t be allowed in….
@SG2. So,let me see if I understand West’s logic. If Trayvon was “on drugs or something,” then it proves GZ killed Trayvon in self-defense?!?!?!?
And, if the defense thinks that is relevant, then what stops the prosecution from presenting all of GZ’s prescription drugs and their side-effects which may have effected his taking unauthorized authority to follow someone who he believed was “on drugs or something?
HELLO!
He’s making it all up. notice he uses may , may ,may bunch of garbage. May 28 wil be very interesting
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@boyd.
Yeah. And a “may” without a witness to testify, is their personal speculation.
I see where this is going……they’ll have a drug dealer from Miami testify as an expert witness that he sold pot, a 3/4 ton truck load to Trayvon just for the trip up north. Yep, Tony “Hard Core” Cementhead just off a 20 year stint, just got that big score for Trayvon. Black Dynamite Slim decided to smoke it all, that weekend. Rat bastards
@racerrodig. Yep. Or maybe there’s an Afro-Peruvian who deals between Sanford and Miami who will testify that he sold it to Trayvon. You know, the Afro-Peruvians who have comedy&tragedy tattoos.
I’m thinking that party now / serve time later tattoo was a dad idea about now.
He’s asking the judge to lower the experts fees. Some lawyer eh? Doesn’t he realize that he’s asking the judge to effectively take personal property rights away from a person not being charged or convicted of any crime?
The expert is merely in possession of skills that allow him to make a valuable opinion. The judge will find no foundation for an order to confiscate his work product or lower his fees. Of course, maybe West thinks he can get the judge to order his favorite restaurant to lower the price of his meals? Man’s a laughingstock!
That was my exact response. Does Fogen really want to go there. Was he drinking that night? He sounded drunk to me. How much adderal (amphetamine) + Temazepam was in his system?
@Shari. Agreed.
The Feign Team is opening a can of worms for GZ. It makes GZ appear much more aggressive in getting out of his vehicle exposing his physical being to a person “on drugs or something.” Also, GZ will need to testify why he could not get a physical advantage over a person so chemically impaired that they couldn’t walk straight.
” Does Fogen really want to go there” He will because….
@ Xena “Also, GZ will need to testify why he could not get a physical advantage over a person so chemically impaired that they couldn’t walk straight.”
Hadn’t even thought about that, but good point!
@Rachael.
Here’s another. How does a person who allegedly can’t stand straight because they are high, aim so perfectly to hit another person in the nose?
Remember guys, they have DNA samples from Fogen on that night. They can easily rebuttal with a toxicology on Fogen’s dna of that night. They also have Fogen’s medication list.
I’ve seen where you have said that several time Jun and that is not so. That is not so. DNA is NOT toxicology.
rachael says
trudat!
jun, you have valuable things to offer, but when you assert things such as this which are patently untrue (and easy enough to verify), you are not helping. you’re a smart guy, please, let’s stop putting forth opinion or personal desire as fact.
wow, the pot is a huge cornerstone of their defense.
It’s was not enough to be meaningful. not even a DUI. Considering the number of people who smoke , and the states liberalizing pot smoking. It wil likely backfire badly
It also brings into focus George’s prescription drugs and their warning labels and what’s George on now. any medicine changes and why.
Would a handgun fall under the “Dangerous Machinery” label on ‘script bottles?
Any medication that I have that have a machinery warning have a separate gun warning.
I recall one of the pills he took, the warning says do not do anything that requires observing. Swear to God I do
PLEASE…tell me what the drug is so I’ll be sure not to take it before going to the strip club?
Okay, but does it say anything about getting addresses?? I’m thinking not. Maybe it has some ingredient that makes one want to shop at Target, packing some heat, but only in the rain……with no money.
I swear that MO’M is a bigger asshat than I realized. Is he TRYING to get GZ convicted?
It sure seems like it.
Once again a ststement and no proof at all. When we see a warrant for Trayvon’s arrest for drug dealing we’ll all go Owwwwww.
Have these Imbeciles ever thought that, Trayvon may have been listening to music on his phone, before his call from DeeDee if he did indeed sway while at the counter paying for his purchases? it’s such a damn shame that these idiot attorneys have chosen to desecrate this child’s character in order to save this clown from a fate which he brought upon himself.
It’s so obvious that, he doesn’t have a defense so, why not put the victim on trial. SMDH
@ladystclaire. I’ve watched that 7-Eleven video numerous times, and not once did I see Trayvon sway.
Have you seen the one where dimwattman says how the clerk is “profiling” Trayvon?
I’m with you. I don’t see him swaying. Oh they might show the video and say, “see, see” so those of weak minds will see something that isn’t there, but I never saw it before and I never saw whatever it is that dimwattman sees the clerk in the store doing throughout the video. Just people trying to make people see things that aren’t there.
I believe the cops interviewed the clerk and he did not even remember Trayvon. Therefore, there is no evidence that he profiled Trayvon.
Yeah – true. He made that video before the cops interviewed the clerk. But it was SO outrageous.
I’ll stand by the clerk who said in his statements and deposition that Trayvon was not suspicious and he didn’t even remember him.
Put him on the stand Moron…..just go for it.
ladystclaire~ damn, I DANCE in the stores if there’s music on, and I never take drugs!
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Oh, so West&O’Mara ask for $400 per hour for themselves (But generously don’t charge for their time spent eating lunch) but it’s too much for an expert. Out of half a million dollars donated!
Just for the heck of it, I looked up how much it costs for an expert witness – here is the very first one that came up, so I haven’t really researched it – but it is kind of interesting:
http://blog.seakexperts.com/expert-witness-fees-how-much-does-an-expert-witness-cost/
That;s pretty close to what I use as a guide. The average bill from 1st interview at the lawyers office to the last minute of my work is between 3500 & 5000. I do find every bit of fraud however and OPCO always tries to find an angle to prevent my report and testimony from being used, That has yet to happen, and word is around the court house that I take no shit from the lawyers.
gz will be best served by the cheapest expert that can be found on the planet. I suggest someone found in a homeless shelter or living under a bridge. There’s no need to waste any money on an expert when the evidence in opposition is overwhelmingly clear and convincing and from the defendants own mouth to boot!
I honestly believe this is only important because the defense is trying to say TM will grow up to be a worthless n—-r so he’s better off dead, defense. This might work on ONE juror in Florida. Their use of this is acknowledgement that their defense is completely absent of exculpation(is that a word?)
Okay so Skeltor has proven he can write bull….. faster than he talks. Fogen along with Ma West are going to burn and rot in hell!
@Big Willie
Second!
It’s a bunch of horse shit
I have seen defense lawyers try to use that against a witness in the “Comic Book Shop Murders” and the jury felt that the defense lawyer was using irrelevant shit
Besides, it does not absolve Fogen from murder nor give him the right to murder, based on suspicion of marijuana use or possession as already shown by Florida case law
Another defendant tried to claim some teenagers were smoking pot when he pulled a gun on them, and gave that as a reason, and the jury found him guilty of aggravated assault with a firearm, despite his protests of marijuana use
Nobody really cares anymore about weed, and most people have used it or have friends that used it and they simply did not care if they did or not
George Bush, George Washington, Bill Clinton, Barack, all smoked weed and no one cared all that much
I doubt it will be allowed in because it is a waste of court time, as there will be people arguing on both sides as to the truth of the matter
The fact remains, the level was really low where the kid could have smoked it “a few weeks ago” as numerous experts have stated (with the exception of West’s claimed expert) or Trayvon could have been around people who smoked it and he inhaled second hand smoke, hence the low level of THC
After that, the state can bring in all of Fogen’s prescription drug use against him, as well as use their DNA samples taken from him that night on rebuttal because Fogen was on psychoactive drugs
Psychoactive drugs may have altered his DNA?
To take DNA samples, they have to take a piece of Fogen, such as blood, saliva, hairs, etc
There is a possibility they can do readings on it for drugs
jun says
no, not from a dried out old q-tip, they can’t.
Trayvon appears to sway in 7-11? HAH! Another attempt to sway potential jurors.
Good one!
The tox experts after the autopsy have spoken, the level of THC in Trayvon’s system could, just as easily have been due to him walking through an area were people were using MJ. So these claims are fictitious because they cannot give a definitive answer.
All of which is besides the fact, smoking MJ would not give gz the right or need to shoot to kill. MJ does not make a person combative, just the opposite, it makes them pleasant and prevents them from recognizing danger or being sensitive to frightening behavior of others.
All of which are the exact opposite of the effects the defense is trying to imply. Since the defense is showing signs of extreme desperation, it is likely that any non-probative or otherwise inconclusive material they should discover, will be misused, motion is hereby made to exclude the defense attorneys from appearing in court during the trial. They will be allowed to present their case, after the courtroom is empty and everyone has gone home. 😆
Looks like Moron O & Co. failed that class.
No more donations now that they remember “undisputed broken nose”, they have no reason to believe MOM anymore, now that the immunity hearing is gone after a year of him telling them how easily it could be aced by gz, before they “strategically” waived it.
I want to see how MOM handles the “strategic” guilty verdict, and the “victorious” sentencing that follows. 😆
The Moron man will be on HLN tonight. They’re claiming Fogen sent e-mails to every resident weeks before the murder telling everyone to be on the look out for black males, late teens suspected of burglaries. Seems like they’re making this up on the fly to me.
There’s a third defense supplemental out of Trayvon’s text and some photos. In my off hand opinion this is smelly, I’ll guess it’s been doctored.
I don’t see this as Trayvon’s personality, it doesn’t fit. What it does fit is TCTH wish list. Because it is still just prejudicial and none of it is probative or material. gz cannot claim that it was alright to follow Trayvon because he knew he was a thug, because there are laws against him doing that, because he hasn’t the authority to interfere with anyone’s movements, whether they lived in RATL or not.
A picture of a hand holding a gun and pot growing….they don’t even say where those pictures came from.
If any of it were true, we’d have known long ago.
Even if some of this stuff was relevant MOM still couldn’t get it into the trial because there’s no way to substantiate who wrote it, less what it actually means. There’s plenty of proof that much of what was texted was untrue/exaggerations, so there’s no way to interpret it all, other than guess work. Who hasn’t lent someone their phone?
MOM has done none of the ground work needed to even show that this stuff has any certain meaning, less who may have wrote it for what purpose and that’s even before we get to the question of relevance and/or materiality. O’Haha need to get himself a white, large polka dot jumpsuit with ruffled color and wristlets, face paint, red nose and size 38 shoes to be ready in time for court on June 10th. Oh, and let’s not forget 3 sets of clean underwear, socks and a new toothbrush for gz!
Ah yes, it’s turning out… Well here:
The best argument not yet heard on the Zimmerman case
lonnie – thank you for that article, oddly, it is precisely the argument i have been making since the beginning (that zimmerman’s actions consisted of assault from the moment the two encountered each other in person).
people are often confused between assault and battery – that is zimmerman apologists say that martin assaulted zimmerman which is where his wounds occurred. i am not going to venture to guess where the wounds originated, but if they originated from martin that would be battery, not assault. if the assault occurred first, which all discovery indicates, then martin did indeed have the right to defend himself.
assault is to threaten; battery is to beat. i wish more folks understood the difference.
Lonnie- great article! I especially love how she use very little evidence and logically came to a guilty verdict.
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According to West’s three-page response, a state toxicologist, Dr. Bruce Goldberger, determined that the amount of marijuana in Trayvon’s system was enough to cause some impairment, although not enough to get him arrested for DUI, had he been behind the wheel of a car.
The doctor could not determine any more than the levels of THC already reported, which experts have said that, in light of Trayvon’s body weight and the low levels found, Trayvon could just as easily picked up this amount of THC by walking through an area where people were smoking. There is no way to tell, there are no reports of tissue samples being provided to any doctor or other expert for study. Therefore Dr. Bruce Goldberger is merely giving an opinion, that may, in fact, be based on false or mistaken reporting itself. With the article being reported by Rene Stutzman, who we already know to be a completely unreliable reporter, it is possible that what’s being reported is not what Bruce Goldberger actually said. Of course, we already know that Mr. West is nearly always sadly mistaken, so his unsupported word should not be taken for anything at all.
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In addition, West wrote that attorneys have learned that Trayvon brought marijuana with him from South Florida to Sanford a few days before his shooting and used it at least once during his stay there.
“Have learned?” Shouldn’t there be some sort of reciprocal discovery? A witness or source named here? Or is the court now going to be expected to proceed on rumor, specious claims and hearsay? The public and the prosecution have learned that the defense is not only inept, but driven to use false claims in their efforts to seek misguided results.
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All of that is relevant, West wrote, because Zimmerman told a police dispatcher shortly before shooting Trayvon that he believed the Miami Gardens teenager was suspicious and may have been on drugs.
None of it is relevant because gz had no way to know if Trayvon was on drugs or merely a person distracted by being on the phone with someone. His observations are faulty and do not include the needed foundation for the claims he makes, nor does he have the skills or expertise to make any such evaluations. Worse yet!!!!!!!!!! Even if he did have the skills to evaluate Trayvon’s conduct precisely, not only would there have been no confrontation, but he had no authority to do anything, take any action, based on either knowledge or belief that Trayvon was under the influence of anything at all.
Thus, nothing about Trayvon’s claimed use of any drugs is either relevant or probative in the least. The Prosecution only notes that gz makes this unsupported claim and that it only reflects gz’s state of mind, not that it has any bearing in fact on anything else. It certainly cannot justify any action gz took, it cannot explain why he took any action, because gz had no right to take any action at all, other than to withdraw and wait for the police.
Further, if Trayvon was MJ impaired, that would be a good indication that he had not attacked gz, because his “impairment” would have prevented it.
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Zimmerman is the 29-year-old former Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder in Trayvon’s death.
The defendant says he acted in self-defense when he shot the high school junior Feb. 26, 2012.
He should be charged with 1st degree murder since he never had to fight for control of his weapon as claimed, and he was never attacked. He was the aggressor from start to finish, since no aggressor ever screams “I’m begging you!” while they’re engaged in attacking. That and the timeline which shows that the entire claimed encounter from confrontation to shot being fired was far less than one minute.
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On another matter, West also asked the judge to make a state audio expert reduce the amount of money he’s demanding. Tom Owen wants $3,300 before he’ll agree to sit for a deposition.
West wrote that that’s an unreasonable fee and asked the judge to reduce it to $250 to $400 per hour. He predicted the deposition would last two hours.
Experts should not be penalized because the defense has squandered their fortune. I predict these silly motions will take about 5 minutes to dismiss.
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Owen told the Orlando Sentinel last year that he believed the voice crying for help in the background of a 911 call was not George Zimmerman.
IIRC, he also said that the only reason he couldn’t say for sure that it was Trayvon was, because he did not have a sample of Trayvon’s voice. Now that Trayvon’s voice has been recovered from videos on his cell phone, perhaps Mr. Owen should be given a chance to finish his work?
I guess MOM and West are hell bent on seeing gz sent to prison, that cannot be a bad thing.
Well said my good man…..
New post up:
Proof of premeditation requires proof of reflection on decision to kill and discussion of the Arias allocution
He’s gonna get a post up soon where I can rave like a lunatic, but somebody needed to rewrite her (Arias) script there. Seriously, has the whole world gone crazy?
“I lost my fucking mind one day and I killed Travis in cold blood. I am so terribly awfully sorry…” something like that…regret would be better than what she is doing, I , wait…Is this a thinly veiled volunteer for the dp, ie, a suicide request?
One word “Exactly”
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@Crane-Station. They are not in court yet. Jodi is in the judge’s chambers with her attorneys.
I see the live link now, it looks like she is asking for LWOP. I believe this is the right result, although I do not believe this jury will grant her LWOP.
This does not sound right to me, I think her attorneys have made a mistake, allowing her to talk on and on about how wonderful her life in prison will be.Just an opinion, and she needs to “domestic violence” out of her mouth, b/c the jury didn’t buy it.
Seriously, they don’t want to hear about her family portraits. They want/need to hear how deeply very regretful and sorry she is. Doesn’t sound right, this. This jury is just going to be even more pissed. What are the lawyers thinking?
The “Survivor” T shirt she held up was the worst thing she could have done……In doing that she is STILL portraying herself as the “victim”
Oh no she didn’t. I must have missed that part when I went to get coffee. What a disaster. This is not even complicated at all. Any jailhouse lawyer in the US would have regret regret regret and so deeply very sorry, not holding up a ‘survivor’ t-shirt! Unless she went buck wild and disregarded her lawyers’ advice, she likely got an ineffective assistance claim. IANAL, but that’s my opinion.
Oh….and all the proceeds from the “survivor” shirts are being donated to help abused women.
There’s an idea for fogen to make $$$….he can start selling “Thug Survivor” shirts…..
I’ve been watching on & off in the shop. When did she show the shirt??
she held it up for the jury today during allocution (sp)….
No different holding up a shirt saying “SURVIOR” than telling the jury “I’m a fucking victim here…….You’re all wrong”
In her presentation before the jury, Jodi said “other survivors of domestic violence.” She still references herself as a victim of domestic violence. She also said, “Some of you might not believe I’m a victim of domestic violence. That’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it.” IOWs, she spoke as though the jury she was addressing is not the jury that convicted her of first degree murder.
So a jury of her peers get flipped off and dissed by a shirt message,,,,,nice.
@MMPat.
Jodi effectively told the jury that their decision finding her guilty of first degree murder was wrong.
Ya know your comment made me think…
No different than flipping off the jury……
@MMPat. Sure Jodi flipped off the jury. She told them in certain words that they made the wrong decision, and since they made the wrong decision, sentencing her to death would also be wrong.
I’m standing there, casually assembling this 440 Chrysler race engine and thinking “What is she doing????” Like the “Locks for Love” matters, like the harping on alleged abuse by Travis is going to get anything in the vein of “….that poor girl…” as if the relationship with her mom from 20 years ago makes a real difference.
Note to Arias and Co. : Try saying “I’m truly sorry and I ask for the mercy I didn’t show Travis” and sound convincing don’t “Go Fogen”
x2.
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!!!! She had T-shirts like that? I’m going to lose my lunch!!!
Yes, apparently, according to MMP. Absolutely unbelievable.
U can buy them online….15 bucks a pop…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jodi-arias-raising-money-domestic-violence-victims-article-1.1336150
She’s over the line with the abuse by Travis bit. I think she’s pissing the jury off and I doubt the “Locks for Love” bit bought an once of sympathy.
I agree racer. It was, I don’t know how to put my finger on it…over the top? I kept looking for the regret regret regret…and I just didn’t see it. It should have jumped out, but unfortunately, it didn’t.
Not an once of regret at all. they just made the alleged abuse by Travis a key. That didn’t work.
I knew she didn’t want to be given the dp, she was just bluffing the jury into actually giving her life. as for those T-shirts, she should be a shamed of herself, for even bringing something such as that to court, where she was going to be asking for mercy from 12 people who hold her life in their hands.
What a *PATHETIC* soul this woman really is!
OMG, this is so good!
I literally jumped when the shot went off! LLMPAPA out did himself!
I’d like to see a video showing the back collar on Fogen’s jacket that say’s “FREE COUNTRY”, which is what Fogen should’ve remembered when he began stalking Trayvon.
Wow. Had Fogen allowed Trayvon Martin to live five more minutes, how different his own life would be now.
Think of what the downside would have been:
Either (a) nothing; or (b) The cops would have questioned Trayvon and then advised Fogen to stop accosting people in the neighborhood; or (c) The cop would have questioned Trayvon and Fogen and taken them both down to the station house and ended up arresting one or both of them either on charges of disorderly or some other micky mouse charge after which both families would have had to spend money on lawyers and thereafter Fogen would have been requested by the HOA to not patrol or something; or, at the outside most unlikely and thus tiniest shred of a statistical possibility, (d) Trayvon would have stolen a bicycle or something and Fogen would have mourned, “Dear God, these azzholes, they always get away, even on great wonderful ME!”
e) Fogen would be arrested for unlawful detention at gun point and have to serve 10 years mandatory.
I jumped too. I shook me. It was good. You get so caught up in the quiet and reading and BAM! What a realization. Sorry I messed up posting it – I posted it from my phone at like 2 am.
Let me see if this works:
“I’m begging you…” but for a depraved gun-toter, that wasn’t enough of a dominator’s sadistic thrill.
Our country enshrines non-militia gun-toters, and any one of us and our children could be next.
In Florida, brandishing a gun at someone is considered aggravated assault with a firearm and is actually 20 years
For anyone interested, nice new video from Sanford Watch of Trayvon’s possible route home via the short cut through Colonial Village. Note the hilly terrain he would have had to cross to arrive at the short cut by Taffe’s. I posted there was difficult terrain to cross at night at the time DD’s “letter” was disclosed as it was noticeable using Google 3D (“standing” on Oregon Av. just past Colonial Village and facing the bend the cut throughs flank). This video shows the terrain really clearly.
FWIW, I personally still have my doubts that Trayvon entered via Taffe’s cut through and not the first cut through which is nearest to Oregon Av. and leads straight onto RVC direction Club House. Which route he took or which cut through may not even be used in the trial unless there is satellite based GPS data (GPS from towers will not be exact enough) which I doubt but then I have been away for a while so maybe I am not up to date on this.
Catchy tune. I betcha the prosecution has a pretty good idea of Trayvon’s movements and that his route conflicts with Fogen’s story.
I so hope you’re right twosides. I presume you are basing it on GPS data but I have real doubts about that because from my experience tracking vulnerable adults for their safetly to pinpoint positions it has to be satellite based GPS, as tower based just isn’t precise enough.
You’re right and I’m just feeling positive and taking a guess that the prosecution has investigated the GPS angle thoroughly and with the best available data and experts.
I was glad you handled the the shock of that idiots comments with so much humor. you were all just hilarious especially Crane but I am beginning to think RZsr knows fogen’s goose is cooked so he’s getting more and more desperate.Could it be Omara has laid his cards on the table.Fogen is in a drug induced stuper so doesn’t really know if his ass is bored or punched.This shit has got to stop.
Sooooooooo Osterman will organize that group of his Black friends in a protest of the trial…..Gee…….what a moron.
I don’t know where you get that idea. The video she posted is an old video like in October where he stated the same think he said on Dr. Phil about all GZ’s “many black friends.”
AFAIK, he has not said anything about doing that now, but if he has, this wasn’t it.
sorry for the confusion, Rachel. Got to remember to put snark warnings in the posts when necessary. 😉
Osterbuddy has bee pretty quiet lately, hasn’t he. Maybe good idea to shut up, since he said he would never ‘lie for him’.
i know when it was done, we’re just bustin’ ’em.
I think the Ostermans went out of fashion when Sundance Cranker and the Treestumpers hated on them for publishing their book.
I was makin’ fun, racerrodig, he said it could be done last year, let him try it this year for the trial. 😉
(Belated Snark Alert!! **!!!)
I knew that !! We’re all on the Snark Patrol tonight and then we see that “Wild Bill” show. So lets just call it what its is.
“The Silly Billy Wild West Racist Review”
“The Silly Billy Wild West Racist Review”
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA !!! Not sure what’s funnier, pointy sheet hats or racist cowboys.
“Not sure what’s funnier, pointy sheet hats or racist cowboys.”
That’s a close one…….we may need a recount….
Hang on there Hoss…..I own a few cowboy hats…..along with a few hoodies…..and a Raccoon skin cap…Generally I wear a Boonie cap…..sweat stained and dirty……OH with a Larry the Cable Guy fishhook on it. 🙂
I DO NOT own any pointy white hats though
Let me clarify…..that would be race baiting hate mongers wearing pointy hats or cowboy hats…..I own a cowboy hat also.
MMP~ I own a viking helmet. Pointy but not white.
Gotta get the inlay done for ur bone knife Kid…..right now?…garden fence being built…and planted…first rendezvous this weekend 🙂
Oh and selling stamps & mining too …….
Not to worry….I’ll “Git ‘er done” 🙂
MMP- can hardly wait! 🙂
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I have a Snell 95 race car helmet !! Does that count?????
Racer- LOL! As long as its not pointy AND white at the same time! Bring it!
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It’s a s round as could be but it’s white with red stripes that matched my last race car.
@cielo
@racer who says
we’ll be easy to recognize … i’ll be wearing my minnie mouse ears, anonymous mask and singing the theme to ‘speed racer’ and pointing at this guy 🙂
You’ll also notice the hoodie over the helmet and my bag of Skittles held high.
I know lots of nice cowboy hat types, MMP, and why I found Wild Bill hilarious – and sad, of course. Doesn’t really reflect on the hat. He’s not wearing one in his Battleground FL video, but does in other videos and on Facebook. Shame on him – he makes all Western types look bad. Pointy sheets, however . . .
TS…a song for me… 🙂
Real question for “Wild Bill” Do you put the “Tin Foil Hat” on first or the “White Pointy Hood” ?? Seriously …..
LMAO 🙂
OR….Tinfoil cowboy hats?
I guess a tin foil lined white pointy hood with a cowboy hat brim. Hell, make a fashion statement there Wild Bill.
Guess who will most likely organize ‘a rally of our own’.
Where are all of fogen’s black friends now?
Oliver was so peeved Nancy Grace cut his mic he quit being a friend. So, there goes that African American support.
Where were they then? LMAO!
The end of his “Black Friends” support came the second Nancy Grace said “…..cut it….cu this mic” during the Joe “Rent a Friend” Oliver interview……It’s a fact…..that’s the last we heard about ’em.
And I would REALLY like to know about that mentoring program that he had to commit to for a year. Wonder if that will come out at the trial.
All that mentoring of those poor black kids, none of which has a name, and yet he felt compelled to murder one…..I don’t quite get his logic on that one…….well, any of his logic.
Very interesting that you say that. You know, the supposed “story” is that their parents were concerned for their safety so they haven’t given their names or stepped forward. Isn’t it funny how the racist refuse from the outhouse can’t accept that same reasoning when it comes to “DeeDee?”
You realize this is an old video, right?
Yep…. real old. Thought he might be the organizer since he seemed sorry they didn’t get all the blacks behind fogen to rally for him last year.
Right now, he should focus on numbers of supporters in the token white friend category, doubt there will even by a single Joe Oliver in the bunch for a rally.now.
What the heck has happened to Joe by the way. After being tarred and feathered by Lawrence O’Donnell, it seems he disappeared.
Lets face it, a good comedy routine never goes out of style….
You know race, if it weren’t for the tragic fact that a young life will never realize it’s potential and parents’ dreams and aspirations were shattered, this whole thing would almost be a comedy. For every laugh this whole thing brings me, there have been twice as many tears.
Exactly so. In the beginning I didn’t dare make light of any aspect. As time went on and evidence began to come to light AND the LE connections I have gave me some info, it became clear Fogen was toast. Last summer one of my guys asked myself and if I had someone I could trust to stir the pot of Zidiot stew on the internet.
Man did we !! For the record, his entire family has been on under literally hundreds of names. This was a game to them and now, it’s just about all over but the clapping.
Here’s a sample of facts we figured out. On HP the racist clown (I hope he reads this) LetJusticePrevial (LJP) is in fact Papa Z. Several of us would come down on him like the Inquisition and in his anger he’d say something that was proof he was who we figured he was. Then there was his IP address. The all time show stopper is that he’s on just about 24/7 except………when there is a court date and he’s there. He isn’t on until 4 or so hours after court is out……enough time to talk with Moron O and Fogen, and head back to the trailer camp. Then he’ll talk about the court hearing in ways you know he was there and refer to things O’ Mara allegedly said despite the fact that O’ Mara said no such thing in any post hearing TV interview. I tracked this very carefully.
To this day, when I’m in the mood, I’ll go on HP and say flat out we know who he is and he won’t even deny it. He won’t even respond to me as he knows what I was doing for my LE guys. In fact I got one of them to make a fatal mistake as he was wanted on hate crime / racist actions Federal Warrants. He went to far, and I found a video of him at a Neo Nazi camp conducting a prospect demo. He made the mistake of using his real picture as his avatar and the video was him. When I sent the link to one of my guys, he circulated it and bingo !!! one of the undercover guys recognized the camp in the mid west and the next day he was arrested.
Yes, the tragedy of this crime is overwhelming and my hat’s off to everyone on Team Trayvon and Corey and her team.
My admiration for Trayvon’s parents for the way they have held themselves is beyond description, and my love, sympathy and prayers are there every day for them.
The comical aspect, well, look at the crew involved. George Carlin is looking from wherever he is and saying……I died a few years to early………look at the material on the table now !!!!!!!!
This would only be the opening
Then Bernie can say this after Fogen tries to sell some BS in court
And maybe Bernie can incorporate some of this into his opening or closing statements.
Because it describes Fogen and Co. to a t.
Irony here. They say Blacks will riot when GZ is acquitted. Why don’t they want due process to take place. When the riots happen, they can say, “I told you so!”
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Sorry if I rattled that. They are afraid Blacks will riot so they are going to beat the Blacks to it.
Exactly, it’s the only way they can afford Flat Screen TV’s…..those silly Zidiots.
RZ can pass the hat around to the protestors so they can put their money where their mouths are. If they really want to help GZ they can all chip in so O’Mara can add another wing to his office.
I don’t know about another wing, maybe a plastic bin for the trash cans……just sayin’ !!!
That should be only half the blacks will riot. According to Oysterman, Zippy’s white token friend as he refers to himself, the other half there should be all his black friends he has, which are so many that they equal as many that showed for the march. I guess we should expect to see Jr, Sr, and Gladys there with all the Afro-pervian relatives there in support for Zippy.
I wonder what catch phrase they’ll come up with.
Seems like “I have a dream” is pretty close and since Robbie the Racist loves to quote MLK, they may try it. Of course “We shall overcome” won’t work, but “We’ve been overwhelmed” is the best.
Of course if left to Papi Z “Florida Sucks” would be on banners, bumper stickers and billboards everywhere.
New post up:
Judge denies motion for mistrial in Arias penalty phase
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Also off topic and not as important as all the folks dealing with deadly tornadoes, but you can put your goggles and waders on to hear Fogen Jr. live with Larry Elder right now. I think it’ll be recorded too for later listening. Right now you can click the Listen Live button on the upper right hand of the page. Oops, it may be done – I think he’s moving on to another topic, wo we’ll have to listen later. Must have been about a 15-or 20 minute segment. http://www.kabc.com/common/page.php?pt=The+Larry+Elder+Show&id=151&is_corp=0
Prayers to all in tornado alley.
I feel so betrayed by Larry Elder. I had no idea he had these kind of self hating views. I used to watch his daytime show “Moral Court” and read/agreed with many of his columns. Is he simply blind to all of the evidence against Fogen?
Elder surprised me too, Shari.
Here’s a recorded version of today’s Elder show with Fogen Jr. in case anyone wants to subject themself to that torture. https://soundcloud.com/coreshift/rzimmermanjr-larry-elder-may-20-2013
Personally, I like to keep an eye on these folks!
Professor or Crane – I have two comments in moderation – you should probably delete them – not important.
I don’t know if I accidentally stuck a letter in my e-mail address while typing a comment or if someone tried to hack the account, but I finally noticed that by starting this message that the two in moderation came up with a different pic and there was an extra letter in my e-mail address. I haven’t gotten any messages from WordPress though, at least not yet.
Adding the extra letter will pitch your comment into moderation. I approved them about half-hour ago.
I was asleep when you posted your comments last night.
*themselves*
Thanks, Prof. I have absolutely no memory of putting a cursor in the e-mail slot and adding a letter – no reason to do so as name and e-mail come up the same each time – I also didn’t notice that the icon came up a different color because it was so close to mine. Craziness! Plus the added letter seemed – purposeful, if ya know what I mean, capital letter and turned the e-mail into a punnish play on words and all . . . :- /
Off topic: Is anyone who reads or follows this blog from Oklahoma City or surrounding area? What is happening, and how are you managing? Am reading now NWS saying an EF-4 at least. So sorry, our heartfelt prayers are with you, if you have anything you wish to share, please do, or if you prefer to keep your thoughts private, we respect your wishes to do so.
Photographer friend from Oklahoma City just e-mailed that he’s OK and heading to destruction sites.
Thank you, Trained Observer, best of wishes to your friend for this difficult trip. Not something a photographer wants or expects to have to cover ever in a lifetime.
35 folks confirmed dead. Count is expected to rise. 😦
Sent from my iPod
Tornadoes also hit Kansas. My mother is in Wichita, KS, She has broken windows and siding off the house but otherwise is okay. Not looking forward to this season, especially considering my mother is already ill and I’m 1200 Miles away in Los Angeles.
I’m near LA, too, bydesign. Hope your mom continues to have good luck. I have lots of relatives in tornado alley. Some mentioned being outside late yesterday afternoon or early evening, taking pictures of a storm in Iowa as the city tornado warning alert whistle thing was going off – I have many childhood memories of heading for the basement during storms and also got stuck in a car one afternoon after school right in front of my house as tornado cruised by less than a mile away (through a cornfield) – greenish black boiling sky and almost baseball sized hail. The rest of my family was in the house and headed for the basement. My boyfriend and I weren’t able to leave the car until the hail stopped and by the time we went inside, my family had emerged from the basement . . . school and college cancelled next day while everyone in town helped homeowners start to dig out stuff from their totaled houses – the worst damage was in an even smaller town about seven miles away. No deaths or injuries as I recall, but an entire neighborhood wiped off the map . . . the difference there being a smaller, weaker tornado and everyone having basements.
I wonder what will happen to GZ’s support once the trial starts. I get the impression that there are many casual racists who just assume that someone like Trayvon was probably up to no good or at least legitimately suspicious. They identify with the neighborhood watch guy who probably meant well and deserves the benefit of doubt. Beyond that they never bothered to look at the evidence themselves.
So far the prosecution has been relatively quiet. Most of the things incriminating GZ have been aspects of his story that don’t add up or implicit concessions by the defense. Those are things that are very easy to miss if you aren’t looking. I think once more explicit evidence is on the table many will insist that nobody could have seen this coming and that their presumption of innocence was their civic duty, but they will drop GZ like a hot potato.
I think the hard core of GZ supporters who will defend him to the bitter end is much, much smaller.
I agree. HLN and other outlets will cover this quite literally night and day. Whatever anyone thinks of Nancy Grace, you can bet she won’t be in Fogen’s corner. Even among redneck racists and gun nut extremists, Fogen soon won’t be in vogue.
As the sad facts of this tragedy are exposed under oath for mass consumption, odds of rallies and unrest will diminish. The eventual consensus on Fogen’s conviction: He had it comin’ .
She sure has been so far.
Ooops, sorry – read that wrong. LOL
I asked the same question a week ago Prof.
My concern was fights breaking out among the factions…….Having them separated is a good idea without a doubt..
I can just see the klan showing up to hold a rally..
Wonder if Westboro Baptist will be there?
I can’t see Trayvon supporters coming out until verdict time. After all, the big concern was getting Fogen before a jury.
But as always, I could be wrong.
“But as always, I could be wrong.”
You’re wrong…..that is, you’re not always wrong !! You know what I mean…
😀
Dunno if this is exactly Westboro’s thing (although who knows), but Terry Jones (the “Islam is of the Devil” guy from Florida) had contacted Z. while he was in jail. One of the recorded jail phone calls was from Z. to him saying thanks but no thanks to his offer to organize folks. I guess maybe Z. was smart enough to realize he already had enough wackaloons in the tent.
@lurker.
Maybe. Maybe too, GZ realized that once Terry Jones found out Junior is gay, that he would turn against the entire Zimmerman family.
No, I don’t believe there will be any protest… And I haven’t heard of any such protests… This news article IMHO, is just another ploy to put fear in racist hate mongers.. GZ WILL be FOUND GUILTY of 2nd degree MURDER so there won’t be a need for protests. However, there will be dancing in the STREETS when fogen’s fat ass is behind bars where he belong… #JUSTICE4TRAYVON
I hope you are right about fogen’s fat ass!
X2, FF.
Oh I’ll be dancing here in Houston, you better believe that!
Anyone seen the new post up by Brother and Father Zimmerman.
Asking for more money!!!
I understand the power of denial, but for a former magistrate he does seem to be exceptionally clueless.
Who do you suppose he is talking about when he refers to people who have been spreading lies but don’t want to talk under oath?
Only one person they are speaking about.
And he is not spreading lies. He has the right to not be deposed but will be, if the appeals court says so.
“Who do you suppose he is talking about when he refers to people who have been spreading lies but don’t want to talk under oath?”
How about we start with Fogen ….
Racer, that’s exactly who came to my mind first!!
That mirror projection ……like father, like son.
The Zimm family has diarrhea of the mouth! I get the impression the family hates Fogen so much they are trying to help hang him.
You have to wonder about that. The more they talk, the worse they make it. Then add a touch of “Wild Bill” in there and Pooooof
I can’t wait until the point in the trial when the prosecution wants some sort of reenactment on that straight armed “..aimed and fired one shot” crap……that will be a classic !!
By the way, I went out with a girl who is a dead ringer for your avatar back about 88 – 89. Is there an inside joke with it I missed?
As my (step) mother always used to say, “Those who have diarrhea of the mouth have constipation of the brain.”
They are certainly proof of this.
All of that shit is ghost written by members of The Conservative Outhouse. They must have something on the Zimmermans. I promise you, Sundance Cracker or one of his minions is writing the shit that’s being attributed to the Zimmermans.
Oh my, he’s disgusted with the Fla justice system and doesn’t understand how Reich can hear what no one else can on the tapes. Well, a good piano tuner can hear things the average person could never hear without the same techncial training, experience, listening skills, to over simplify the expert’s qualifications.
The article is on clickorlando, and says it originated on RobertandGladys dot com.
What will Fox’s spin be on this? When Gladys made her last letter that commented on the failure of the justice system for them, the Z’s, as Americans, Fox altered the statement to ‘failed Americans’.
Astonishing quotes from Zimmy Sr.–he’s infuriated and blaming “the system” for persecuting his son. It may be that the State of Florida has more financial resources than fogen now, but where’d the nearly half a million go? Crickets on that one.
BTW, the comments that follow that article are really off the chart: blaming Trayvon for walking home, blaming him for wearing a hoodie in the rain, blaming him for not “having an umbrella,” and clearly blaming him for breathing. Those racist posters just heap blame over this dead kid’s body.
Reading some of the comments of the above posted story…..So I’m a Trayvonite huh?
The Zimmerman family were the first to bring their racism into this, and continue stoking the fire. It began with papicito’s letter writing campaign and Fox “interviews”, then jr and Gladass jumped in
They really need to pack up and return *home*
If it’s the “system” that got his loser sonny boy arrested and facing trial, we should all be mighty thankful.
Such a fine thing that Pop Z’s pal Wolfie didn’t have the juice to help the Sanford PD pull off a nasty cover-up on the murder of an unarmed unarmed teenager walking home from the store. .
An amazing number of decent Americans still aren’t aware of the facts on what happened. Soon, they’ll know.
Then Gladass and Boobles will really need to hide their heads in shame for all the whining and bellyaching they’ve done.
I find it hard to believe there are still people following these bloodclot idiots
It is the same story and dance
The first time it happened, they got about 400K and then did not bother spending any of the money on what they asked charity for (which is a felony in itself)
Now they use the same story and dance
And the Zidiots will line up again to donate and again the money will not be spent on any defense
Yet he’s disgusted with the Florida justice system
“Yet he’s disgusted with the Florida justice system”
Those bastards…..I’m disgusted with my credit card comapny. Damn, I sent them money last month and what, they want more this month…..do I sound like RZ sr ??? Same logic.
What I found I interesting is how papa z is begging for his son’s experts but never said on prior posts that money sent to them would also help their son. I remember a X-mas posting where they thanked supporters and used excess cash to buy blankets for the homeless. Older posts about this and earlier are now missing with only 2 current posts up.
What a family of losers.
The Fully informed jury association is not about jurors doing their duty to decide a case on the law, but to be free to refuse to convict to send a message to government tyranny.
http://fija.org/
They decide, not on the law or the evidence, but on their own political agendas.
Bernie must know this is coming.
This is the bad side of jury nullification.
Mataharley, are you reading me?
Come in, please.
I believe this is the biggest danger the prosecution faces.
The only hypocrisy I see is they talk about tyranny but they would be okay with letting a murderer go free who was bringing tyranny to a victim
Yes that is one tragic contradiction in their ideology. What happened to Law and Order? Respect and deference for the police? They should be against Fogen because he took it upon himself to be the authority, he asked for police help and they said, “We don’t need you to do that.”
For them a black child is not deserving of equal rights and the only thing that can explain it is racism. And really they need to get over it. Your ancestors brought my ancestors here and this is my country as well as yours. America as it is today is inhabited by people from all over the world. They need to accept that they must share the land with others.
The Zidiots must realize Trayvon is just as American as Fogen, maybe more so. He is a typical American teenager, he is no alien or foreigner. He was born and raised here. This means he has as much right to walk on the street as Fogen.
Very well stated, Shari, especially when you write:
“For them a black child is not deserving of equal rights and the only thing that can explain it is racism. And really they need to get over it. Your ancestors brought my ancestors here and this is my country as well as yours. America as it is today is inhabited by people from all over the world. They need to accept that they must share the land with others.”
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That’s part of the Zidiot Nation Charter…..I posted it last year.
I did not know about it, but I do not stray to the ignorant side of the internet. I would rather not know how many people cheer over the loss of someone’s child. Disgusting human beings. Right wing NUTS is what they are.
Wild Bill.
This one’s for you.
LOL!! Perfect!!
Yes, it is LOL!
I’m so glad you posted this !! And line him up with Moron
O’ Mara, Fogen, Papa Z, Robbie the Racist, SheLie, Taaffe, Oliver, Osteridiot………all of them.
And I was afraid to call him a Flaming Asshole…..
😀 😀 😀 Tea spraying time.
LOL! This shoe fits perfectly!
ROFLMAO!
Wild Bill Finlay is an avowed Bama hater with a penchant for using scripture to justify his racial axioms. Ahem! The SPLC gave him honorable mention recently in a piece titled: ‘Conservatives’ Who Gathered in Colorado a Different Breed.
“Another speaker typical of the new “conservatives” was Marine Corps veteran Bill Finlay, a former deputy sheriff and U.S. marshal known on the right-wing speaking circuit as “Wild Bill for America.” Describing himself as a “liberalologist,” Finlay said the ultimate goal of liberalism is to install a totalitarian government. He said the universities are full of “commies.” He said liberals will use the mental health system to attack gun owners. And he proposed to create small “special forces” teams to “invade liberal territory,” “expose the liberal agenda,” and “sow chaos” among liberal groups.”
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/03/25/conservatives-who-gathered-in-colorado-a-different-breed/
Holy Moly. He’s way out there in tinfoil hat territory. If the SPLC is keeping an eye on him, I can see why Sanford PD would also be concerned.
Wild Bill a U.S. Marshal? Former deputy sheriff? Marine Corps veteran? First of all, let’s notice that this man has only ever been employed by the U.S. Government. Second, I wonder if he knows Osterman.
Oh, wait, deputy sheriff is a county employee.
Apparently some of these right-wing wacko heavily-armed groups have taken to recruiting from recent military retirees or malcontents. Came up following the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting in looking into the shooter’s history. There are also some self-appointed “Islamic Experts” who managed to pick up military contracts as trainers with Homeland Security and so forth. Mostly their credentials rely on hatred of Muslims. I believe that under Obama there has been some attempt to weed these folks out, along with Christian proselytizers in the ranks. There have been stories of “assigned” attendance at religious rallies and the like.
Personally, as a Christian, I am mistrustful of folks who mix their beliefs and ideology into the military.
“Promisekeepers” ?
A group of former military and law enforcement personnel who are on the far rightwing fringe
What I really need to hear after spending the day with a few.
This article is from summer 2011, but there is more recent articles on this guy’s attempts with appeals. He was lecturing to jurors about their ability to decide for themselves, not obey a juror’s oath.
Bernie must have anticipated something like this from the defense, in his motions in limine about suggesting any penalty, about jury deciding for themselves, etc.
If someone like idiot above with the mugs, wants to get notariety, this is one way, get himself in front of cameras. Hope he doesn’t forget his tin foil hats.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/casey-anthony-judge-sentences-trial-protester-to-f/nLwRL/
Excerpt:
I believe that these folks are part of the natural law movement (I think I have the label correct). They pretty much discount the validity of the government overall. They can be dangerous and have been known to get in shoot-outs with cops in traffic stops. These are the kinds of groups that have been on the increase during the Obama Presidency, and there are a number of them located in Florida. I am certain that one of the things that the FBI was looking into was whether or not George, or anyone with the SPD had any such connections.
Interesting gun ownership data has shown that while the numbers of guns in circulation has increased, the actual number of households with guns has declined. In other words, fewer gun owners, each owning more guns. I’m not big on gun ownership, and don’t mind things like background checks and so forth to try to keep guns away from the irresposible. And while I live in an urban area where too many kids/young adults can get their hands on guns that end up killing other kids/young adults, the folks who really worry me are these kinds of ideo-idiots who seem to think that they have all kinds of rights to challenge authority and believe themselves to be the next revolutionaries.
@lurker. It’s “common law,” among sovereign citizens. Common law to them means that if a person accidentally steps on their foot, they can burn down their house and not be subject to violating law.
So strange these folks all have German names– Heicklen, Schmidter, Zmmerman. (Apologies to LeaNder)
@cercando, keen eye on that one. It must be the lingering vestiges of the teutonic love of all things aryan.
No need to apologize, Luce. I try to carry my national burden with grace.
Yes, Zimmerman is pretty German, if you add a second n in the end it is a Zimmermann = carpenter. Man (versus woman) = Mann in German. And this is the traditional work habit of a carpenter
If I search a German telephone database only for families or people with that family name not for carpenters, mind you, the result is this:
Zimmerman = 61 entries; Zimmermann = 36,317
Schmidt, would be a typical German name, Schmidter not so much it seems. Only 4 telephone accounts for that name all in Bavaria around Munich.
Zero for Heicklen. It sounds like some type of Germanic family name, that is true, problem is zero entries in Germany. Strictly it sounds more Flemish (Belgian Dutch for you), Dutch to me. But Amsterdam could tell us, maybe that’s because of Heineken. 😉
If you look in ancestry databases the Heicklen family either emigrated from Russia or from Canada to the US none from Germany.
Cercando,
Oh so politically incorrect, but true
Same thing with most of the border vigilante groups (Minutemen etc) anti-immigrant and white supremacist cells in the southwest who’s membership has exploded in size the past 20 years. Many of them with thick foreign accents themselves
Well, now I really owe an apology to LeaNder– unless, do you think, the Schmidters and Heicklens of old were SO obnoxious and evil that their neighbors put them ALL on the boat for America?
@cercando
@leander
while not casting aspersions to anyone of any nationality, we also need to keep in mind that many names were altered at ellis island, either by choice of immigrant or by officials not understanding an immigrant’s native language, accent or a number of other issues.
My ancestors on my mother’s side are from Germany (story goes they bribed a boat captain to escape some hard times a long time ago) Anyway, my middle name is Ahmann, a German name, taken to mean (a man who) lives next to the Ah river or stream. But the ‘mann’ part is there.
Watch it carefully, Crane, you may have in fact have some type of only slightly diluted Teutonic genes. 🙂
Luce, I am honestly not especially sensible concerning the topic, but you may run the risk of having me lecturing you on German or for that matter European history. E.g.
Hitler gained German citizenship on February 1932, so maybe you would want to add the Austrians to your mix? This is the result of the November 1932 election. I use the German Wikipedia version so you get a better visual grasp of the voting pattern. One third is bad enough, but it is not “the” majority. They even lost 4,2% at that point. This election with a little help from elite conservative circles ultimately brought Hitler to power in January 1933, and successfully stopped the trend, since next election in March 1933 wasn’t really a free election anymore. The emergency laws following the Reichstags Fire took care off that. Political opponents and party member were the first in the camps, e.g. the socialists and communists. Watch how their percentages dropped in the March and last election under the Nazis.
I am not a true believer in the Goldhagen “thesis”. … But I can understand that it would be quite helpful to have evil somehow geographically localized until doomsday. 😉
Besides European history did not start with with post revolution 19th century nationalisms. Thus if you look for German family names, you maybe should add Austria and German speaking people in Switzerland to your search pool.
But even if I search Austrian and Swiss telephone directories both Schmidtker and Heicklen searches return empty. So the best we can find are the four telephone numbers for Schmidtker in Bavaria, Munich region. That’s not much for a typically German name.
If I search my family name in the German speaking countries and the US in the diverse directories the result is this:
Austria: 0, Switzerland: 144, Germany: 61, France 74, America: 100.
My mothers family name, Hahn = rooster, has a better result.
Germany: 19657, Austria: 100, Switzerland: 482, France: 554, Netherlands: 25, Great Britain: 227 America: 100+
That’s clearly a German name, the problem is my grandfather’s ancestors at one point were Dutch and had the name Haan or de Haan. My father’s name is a very German name with a very distinct regional origin in South Western Germany, and the bordering countries France and Switzerland, simply not such a frequent one, and maybe not so easy to transfer into a different language.
They going to put a ‘no-protest’ zone around the courthouse? Then they can protest being stopped from protesting where they want to protest and call it violation of constitutional rights.
Does O’Mara not want to go the indigent route because of his client’s payments to racist groups, esp. someone named Wild Bill Racist?
Wild Bill belongs in a mental ward.
he deosn’t even realize that the defendant killer in this case, argues that he is NOT white. (oops!)
ay2z, Wild Bill appears to be giving the defendant a “Temporary White Pass” since all that matters to him and his kind is that fogen took out a black kid. They’ll figure out fogen’s convoluted racial & ethnic background later. . . all they know is that he “got one,” so they’re in the cheering stands.
You know what the ultimate “bitch’ would be ????????
I hope some Lilly white stick up guy holds him up at gun point and it’s on video …..How do ya like them apples there Wild Bill ??
Ain’t life a bitch !!!!!!!
Fogen acts white enough to pass the skin test.
I’ll add he fails the “Human Being” test however.
Homo Fogeninsis….
Yep….a breed all his own. You guys are in rare form tonight, I’ll say that….especially the Professor and his DH song and Crane…God I love you guys and gals.
@ay2z. Neither does Wild Bill realize that one of GZ’s defenses is that he was not on NW when he killed Trayvon.
That “Silly Billy” seems to have it all wrong…..staring with that comedy routine “….hulking 6′ – 3″ monster” line.
@racerrodig.
What? You didn’t know that it’s against the law for teenagers to be “hulking” and 6’3″ unless they are White? For a White Supremacist like Wild Bill, that means that a Black teen who is 5’11” and still growing, is bound to be over 6 feet tall, so best to kill them now.
I believe that’s part of the Zidiot Nation Charter also….
Article 5 I believe….
@racerrodig.
This one ? ;
Oh….let me look it up again…………here it is.
Article 5) (c) (1) All black males, regardless, of age shall be judged as “adult thug”
I believe you had it backwards……
It also applies the Newtons laws of gravity…..white men can’t jump……therefore gravity is prejudiced against whites.
When I played semi pro football I had a vertical leap of, as I recall, um……somewhere about 18 inches. Is that high or what !!!
@racerrodig.
LOL! My bad.
Xena, not on NW ‘function’, that makes three of them, Ostermann & Osterwoman (count as 1) and Taaffe makes 2, and Wild B Tin Hat makes 3 (or 2 1/2 but for ease of calculations, will round up).
@racer, not only is life a bitch, so is Wild Bill! as a matter of fact, he’s Fogen’s BITCH.
And the real scream here is that when he’s done filming, he’s thinking “…told them didn’t I” when in reality the real world is saying “……where did that retard come from?”
“Hulking 6’3″ guy” — wait a minute, did I miss something? Did Trayvon Martin hulk? Was it in the NEN call?
“Police, Fire or Medical. This is Sean. Can I help you?”
Fogen: Yeah, we have had a lot of hulking around my neighborhood and I see a guy hulking right now.
Sean: This guy hulking, is he white, Black or Hispanic?
Fogen: Yeah.
Sean: Or green? Is he hulking incredible or regular?
Fogen: Regular hulking. And he looks Pba-lack. I don’t know what his thing is.
Sean: Tell me if he does anything else, OK?
Fogen: Yeah. Right now he’s just hulking. Wait a minute — now he’s SKIPPING!
Sean: Uh oh.
“Hulkin’ & Skippin'”?…..I think it was Jackie DeShannon that did that one…..
I’ll say….where does he get off with that 6′ – 3″ hulking brute crap at this stage of the game…….NutZZ is putting it mildly.
Oh yeah….Fogen is the ideal NW guy….Oh Yeah……where ?? in Hell ??
professor says
exactly, some village is missing it’s idiot. this video is despicable.
“Wild Bill” is a fairly ordinary specimen: Homo Fecalocephalus.
Fecalcephelis is now stored for future use
Malisha- awesome word!!
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No wonder the cops are concerned. A bunch of crazy right wing racists are stirring up trouble and spoiling for a fight.
And then they talk about AA rioting and burning down their own neighborhoods. these people are as barbaric as they come. they speak ill of people of another race yet, they are the ones filled with the venom of hate and violence.
Let them prance around the courthouse in their sheets with their pointy little hats on their pointy little heads because, nobody gives a damn!
I don’t think anyone in the Justice for Trayvon camp will be protesting. I speak for myself when I say that all I wanted was for him to answer for his crime in a court of law. You may not chase children at night armed and then shoot them dead in the heart. It is criminal activity. He should not have been given immunity that night by the locals. Fogen didn’t need all that security and I don’t think the Justice for Trayvon crowd will disrupt the trial. We want a trial that will not be reversed on appeal and we want to see the evidence laid out in the correct forum.
I can’t say I would be this patient if I were Sybrina and Tracy but they have set a great example as the victims.
Well stated.
@Shari, truer words have never been spoken as for the grace and dignity, that this family of Trayvon’s has shown throughout this entire ordeal. not only have they had to deal with the loss of their son and, how the person responsible for his death, was not arrested and charged.
It’s a shame and a disgrace before GOD, that not only have they had to endure the pain of loosing their child in such a horrific way, they have also had to put up with the ignorance of racism against their son as well as themselves. their child’s character has been attacked and, he has been smeared and drug through the mud, yet they have carried on for the sake of receiving justice for their son/brother.
One thing about it though, as long as GOD is for this child and his family, racist bigots can not and will not be against them.
Of course I agree, but Fogen supporters see the State of FL as corrupt and everyone involved in this case but Fogen and his family as evil . . . so . . . likely there will be a contingent of people. I’ve read that a few people out of the country intend to fly into FL for the event.
I have seen many pro Z’s talking about riots if Z is not convicted, but I don’t get that feeling as much as I get the feeling that there will be plenty of Z’s protesting the trial (as they do not believe there should be one) as well as if there is any rioting, it will be from them. Not that I have read anything specific, but just the feeling I get from reading some of the things I read.
Like you, Professor, I and it sounds like Trayvon’s family, want a fair trial for the man who shot and killed their son. I know that if it were my son killed under such circumstances, I would too.
I have read that the Fogen Gang Members plan on attacking and terrorizing and burning down Florida if Fogen is convicted
I believe the Fogen Gang Members will be attempting to harass and intimidate jurors
Then the alarm will go off and that dream will end…..not to mention they can’t collectively afford new tires for their house to make the trip.
@Jun, You may call me a dreamer, but maybe Florida needs to go back to the alligators. What with Jeb and Rick Scott, it’s been far worse than a swamp land for almost 15 straight years. I want to be clear that I’m not advocating civil insurrection here, but fantasies are free, and the swamps of the Everglades just seem the perfect, natural state for Florida.
All marches for Justice 4 Trayvon have been peaceful
The only person asking for violence was NBPP, as there is only one member of the New Black Panther Party but it seems the cops or the feds dont care what they do so LOL and if Fogen or Joonyah have a problem with them, take it up with them
@Rachael, how are you my friend? we all want Fogen to have a fair trial but, a bunch of *IMBECILES* parading around in front of the courthouse is not going to assure that or anything else. these people should be arrested because, they are inciting civil unrest and, they could care less if this SOB receives a fair trial or anything else for that matter.
This is something that they have been salivating for, since the beginning of this case. this SOB killed an innocent child and, it matters a damn to them, that Fogen shot and killed this child in cold blood, no mam. the only thing they see is the fact that his victim happened to be AA and, this is the only reason that they want to see him get away with his crime.
Had Adam Lanza not killed himself for the awful carnage of six and seven year old kids, which all but one of them was white, these very same *MORONS* would be the first to make a hangman’s noose for him and, drag him kicking and screaming to his death. if allowed to do so. NO, they don’t give a damn about the half breed who took Trayvon’s life and, we all know all to well why they are raising such a ruckus while at the same time, showing the rest of the world their ignorance.
Hopefully they will be called out for the way they have mistreated, smeared and, slandered this child and his family.
People certainly have a right to protest, but I do not see a need for a protest at this time.
I think we should let the system work in full view of the public so that nothing is hidden.
Corruption needs shadows, dark corners, a lame press and a disinterested and uninformed public.
Fortunately, we have the Florida Sunshine Law to supply the light and some good bloggers to inform the public and make up for a lame press.
The problem is that the Zppl feel the system has already failed and that GZ should not be on trial to begin with – therefore, they are protesting the trial.
Yup. I would be VERY surprised if there are not a substantial number of Fogen supporters outside the courthouse during the trial.
Manson had supporters too…..how did that work out. It would actually make a difference if they actually had some facts correct, but since they have a standard bearer like “Wild Bill” do they actually think anyone will do anything but point a finger and laugh !!
Maybe the next crazed depraved mind, cold blooded murderer will take out a loved one of each and everyone of them. they will get no sympathy from me at all. this kind of shit should not be going on because, there is no need for these people to continue to show their *IGNORANCE* in this manner.
Are they going to protest James Holmes’s arrest and trial as well? this shit is pathetic for these people to be acting in this manner. instead of someone with the defense trying to put an end to all of this BS, they are encouraging it. this is such a damn shame, that this SOB and his crime has turned this entire country into the racist mecca of the world.
Oops, estethic, was trying to copy the link while you posted it – thanks.
Wild Bill also has more than one Facebook page as “Wild Bill for America” Here’s one of them – https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wild-Bill-for-America/212059462206560?fref=ts
I’ve seen some conversation from Fogen supporters about attending or protesting the trial, mostly wrapped around this YouTube video from “Wild Bill” – Battleground Florida 2013. He’s trying to get this out to as many people as possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQ-mXyjE3E
OMG! This jerk is trying to profit from his racism off of the blood of Trayvon! That is so despicable it makes me ill.
Oh oh, I may be replying to the wrong post but you can see it is the video I’m angry about.
Holy Shit Batman !! Where did this guy come from and why is he breathing our air. “Hulking 6′ 3″…..”
I’ll bet even the Zidiot Nation as a whole is embarrassed this guy spoke up.
Ain’t he sumpem, as Fogen would say.
Oh he’s on drugs or sumpen……and suspicious……talk about suspicious. Oh, lets not forget he’s up to no good.
Oh no, they love it. Even some of the more moderate Fogen supporters are talking about supporting him if they’re sure he means non-violent support.
This guys an embarrassment to the human race as a whole. I swear, lock this nut up on General Principals.
Well feast your eyes on this, Professor.
Who is this azzle? Talk about not factual information. Geez!!!
Wow! Someone called that correctly! The New Black Panthers are mentioned! What an idiot. There’s just no fixing stupid. And when he and his hate-filled scum show up and nobody else, I wonder if they’ll start fighting amongst themselves?
I see candle light vigils from Trayvon supporters….
Cross burnings from the fogenites.
Yep…those racists will be burning hoodies.
Picture this……Wild Billie, Taaffe & Osterman having a conversation.
Joe Oliver walks in and Wild Bill goes insane, calls him one racist name after the next……
…..all on Nancy Grace !!!!!!
I can’t wait for an LLMPapa video ripping this guy……imagine what Trent Sawyer will say…….Wild Bill won’t be able ti find a…….wait, he can hang out with Knox !!! Yeah, that’s the ticket !!
This guy needs to put a little love in his heart.
Advice for this guy:
@Rachael. Let them keep sending out that negative energy to GZ.
It’s that “Hate them to death Defense” A guaranteed loser every time.
Wow!
My question is does this guy really believe the bullshit he’s spewing?
I have a hard time believing that anyone can be that stupid.
What a scumbag racist he is.
And, this guy is allowed to vote. Interesting group of people!
Because I spend too much time on the internet, I have encountered a number of folks like him, and sorry to say, yes, they seem to earnestly believe what he says. The logic goes something like this: 1) Trayvon was a thug; 2) Zimmerman was a hero for killing him (in self-defense); 3) Should Zimmerman be found guilty, it will be because the fix is in, from Obama, Holder or other folks afraid of the power of “the black community; and 4) If Zimmerman is found not guilty blacks all over the country will riot.
Now, as far as great numbers of them showing up to demonstrate outside the courthouse, who knows. A good number of them are fair weather patriots to their causes and prefer to watch the Fox coverage on TV. But, they all fervently believe that blacks will be there in great numbers, with orders to riot if things don’t go the right way.
Yes, it is sad and scary.
I’m betting even the hardcore Zidiots laugh at him…..Wild Bill, a legend in his own mind.
Maybe someone should tell wild bill the prosecutor is a Conservative Republican.
Oppppps That’s gonna leave a mark.
Scumbag racist is right. It very much feels that this guy and his ilk are chomping at the bit for a race war. They’re drooling for it, IMO. Must be a terrible thing–since the Emancipation Proclamation–not to be able to go out and murder blacks with complete and total impunity. Sure, Jim Crow gave them some leeway but, for these die-hard racists, there was nothing like the good old days of executing blacks at will. They are just itching for any excuse to all-out unload.
I’m thinking that Manson sent him a letter to take up his failed plan for a race war…..Lets face the fact…both of them are freaking insane.
Mr Leatherman Sometimes people are that stupid. Trust me.
I once asked a psychiatrist if one of those hate-spewers (a particular one whom he had evaluated) actually believed what he said, and the psychiatrist answered: “WHO CARES?”
This guy is fabulous. Amazing that he came out of his underground bunker…no wait, he’s wearing orange! So he’s a fugitive from jail! ROFLOL, prolly what got him there in the first place, his filthy bigotry. I hope he shows up with that badge and runs that dicksucker just as fast as he runs it in this video, so he can head on back to jail and spew his filth in the drunk tank where nobody cares what he thinks. I am calling the internet police:
PS Is this guy Taaffe in disguise? LOL, if so:
LOL, Crane. I love how you post what I only dare to think! 😀
LOL, I aim to please. This guy deserves it, he’s like straight from central casting for some over-the-top Coen Brothers movie. Oh, lord I can’t help it, the guy reminds me of Walter, in this:
X 2 Everyone who thinks “Wild Bill” is a Flaming Fucking Asshole chime in….
He said he wants all Real Americans to come and face down the worst racits in America.
No fucking problem there Bill……you tell me where you’ll be and this Real American will come down and trust me, you won’t survive.
Oh, that’s right, we’ll recognize you by the mug…..that’s a classic.
Some body cut this guys air supply off. Better yet, get him on Nancy Grace….
Hardly enough words one can drag from the vocabulary to describe how stupid this guy is. It’s like he put a sign on himself: “I’m strapped, and bat-shit crazy. I plan to be at X location at X time, carrying the badge I was dumb enough to UPLOAD to YouTube. I will be threatening media and people, and looking for a fight. So please, police, please keep an eye on me.”
You’re in rare form today and I love it……ya gotta admit his “you’ll recognize us my the logo on the mug (flash mug for 1/2 second) is stone dead Zidiot Crazy !! Yep….look at me now ma…….I’m on the computer screen, a’ lying my racist ass off.
Did he actually think that “…hulking 6′ – 3” “: shit would not get ripped ??
LOL. How ’bout Crane Station, Nancy Grace and Wild Bill – that’ll shut him down fer sure.
LOL, I’ll have to start planning my outfit now, something along the lines of a dress that makes me look like I just robbed a liquor store in Compton. Guy’ll run away with his tail tight between his legs!
Wait, even better, here’s me, in the green shirt, in the elevator:
😀 😀 😀
@Crane-Station. Love you!!! I needed a good laugh today. Thank you.
CS is in rare form today and we’re damn glad of it !!
“Hulking 6’3”. Blatant lile, by several inches. Skinny, he was skinny.
Look up the truth in the autopsy, you miss the mark by adding 5 inches!
Then take a look at your hero’s height, from what he says on Myspace, to what his doctor’s office put in their medical report of 27th feb, 2012, to whatever else he said in interviews.
Talk about a race-baiter-hater, he’s inviting a confrontation.
A lot of the so-called non-racists are race-baiting like crazy now.
Hulking and 6’13”, huh? Wild Bill apparently has had a lobotomy.
While it’s wise for Seminole County to gear up security around the courthouse for the Fogen trial , it’s doubtful that there will be anything much going on rally wise until possibly time for the verdict. By then, testimony ought to diffuse a lot of nonsense generated by the Wild Bills of redneck world. . .
6’3″ …
“By then, testimony ought to diffuse a lot of nonsense generated by the Wild Bills of redneck world. . .”
One would hope. Some sensible ones jumped the fence when Fogen’s stories started shifting.
Another so called christian.
Well he’s just standing there admitting how impotent he is! He’s saying that the race baiters came down to Sanford and somehow those terrible evil race-baiters managed to get their way. HIS GUY did not get his way. He did not want to be charged with a crime but he WAS. So those “bless-God” Americans who hate the evil liberal media LOST and were POWERLESS to protect their guy against the actions of Sharpton and Jackson. Wow, weak, weren’t they?
Do you think they’re any stronger now that their guy gave up the right to even TRY for a SYG hearing?
Impotent weak lily-livered azzhole punks: Get a life. Learn your lines: “Do you want fries with that?”
I’ll amend that – how ’bout Crane Station, Malisha, Nancy Grace and Wild Bill? Stick a fork in him.
Yall ever seen Clayton Bigsby?
It’s Dave Chapelle’s perfect impression of this guy, all the way down to blaming the liberals when the Governor and the state prosecutor are both republicans
i heart clayton bigsby – i’m pretty sure i have even posted it here before. good stuff.
Yes, I heard some crazy right wing redneck wacko was trying to round up 10,000 Zidiots to harass and intimidate the court for arresting and trying the defendant and possibly jurors too
I don’t think there will be much of a protest. Zimmerpunk aint that important
That’s what I think. I believe most of them will just blow away and the few who do protest will be thinking “…who is this Fogen guy and why am I wasting my time…….damn, hope the wife & kids ain’t watching TV about now”
Echo, I doubt there will be many protestors. They can’t hide behind a computer screen if they do…..Silly Zidiots.
if they do, then the real world gets to see racism at it’s all time low and I doubt they have the nerve.
@racerrodig, They can’t hide behind their computer screens, but the bet’s on that they’ll be decked out in their finest, 1,000-denier thread-count white, sateen sheets. You have them down to a T: they don’t have the b@lls to let the real world see racism at its all-time low, let alone to have their true faces telecast throughout the world.
@abbyj. Piercy and Junior could barely get 1,000 people worldwide to sign Piercy’s “malicious prosecution” petition — and that was with Junior’s promotion of it on Fox.
And how may did “Team Trayvon” muster over 2 1/2 million was it.
I think you’re mistaken. These people are proud to be what they are. They believe they are right. Good Christians. Good Americans.They are so ignorant they don’t even know they’re ignorant. So they have no shame, they feel pride and righteousness. Proud and entitled.
I guess I keep trying to apply logical thinking to illogical racist shit heads.
Sorry….My bad.
I think when push comes to shove, very few will turn out after thinking “….who the hell is Fogen and why should I waste my time?”
The few who do turn may be in their finest whites or be looking around thinking “……damn, hope the wife & kids ain’t watching TV about now”
Aussie, yes they do.
racer says
eh, that’s ok, for this event they won’t need their computer screens, all are anxiously awaiting the dry cleaners to finish pressing their sheets.
That’s OK…..I got friends and I still have some of my wide receiver speed…..we’ll just run amok yanking them pointy hats off……
Film at 11:00 !!
@racerrodig.
Pillow cases. They’ll wear white pillow cases with cut-outs for their eyes.
“Pillow cases. They’ll wear white pillow cases with cut-outs for their eyes.”
They would be “The Prospects” kind of like a bike gang.
OMG OMG – – I have an idea.
Some rational people get pointy white hats and white sheets with eye-hole cut-outs and go down there! PHOTO-OP for: “KKK supports Fogen”! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I have a pic of a bunch of guys in purple satin robes…..flag and all….with a sign that reads
“Gay Black Jewishmen for Tolerance & Understanding”
You’re killing me I tell ya…..killing me !!
LMAO
@racer, with all due respect my friend, the world is already seeing the racism that has been stirred up by those who are *IGNORANT* enough to smear, slander and disrespect this child and his family, the way they have been doing for over a year now.
The rest of the world has indeed had a front row seat at witnessing the racism in this country that has never ceased to exist and, it never will. some in this country and, they know who they are, have gone so far as to *HACK* into this kids social media accounts and, author things there that Trayvon never wrote himself. this is why the defense was so eager to gain access to those accounts because, those who put those things there, were the very ones urging the counsel for the murderer to go after those very accounts which they themselves *ALTERED.*
Oh yes, the rest of the world has witnessed the *UGLINESS* of racism in this country for over a year. also, if any one show up to protest this trial, they should be arrested and charged with obstruction of justice. the very people who talk of AA rioting if Fogen is not convicted, are the very ones preparing to show more of the *IGNORANT* side of themselves.
I agree with that 100%, believe me, they are a blight to humanity. I just think that, and they have proved so far, that they are all talk. Not 1 thing they predicted has happened. I believe when the trial starts and evidence starts coming out that we don’t know about, most of them will be “….who…..what donation…..me ?? I never”
I’m sure a few diehards will be visible like Wild Bill, but I’m told by my sources, which are in the thick of this, Fogen is not very anal retentive now……another way of putting it…..he’s shitting his pants, SheLie can’t keep up with his laundry and he’s spending a lot of his loot on medicine for his bowels.
LOL, he’s going to need to stock up on several packages of depends, because he is going to need them. I can see him crapping his pants, when the verdict is read as GUILTY!
LMAO it’s funny how big of pussies racists turn out to be once the world is shown their racism
I believe the online extremists they are referring to is a guy found on youtube asking for 10K zimbots to show up…Jr tweeted the link to the youtube. I don’t have it as I never watched it but based on the comments I read that is what I gathered.
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I think that we should all pick designated protest areas in every city and state, where our ad hoc videographers can record people showing their support for Trayvon’s family. Great idea! We can have videos of people from all major cities and across the states posted to YouTube. The media and it’s spin meisters are no longer needed!
I really love your idea, Lonnie Starr. How do we get this organized? Could there be a “Justice: BE ACCOUNTABLE” day or something? SHould the Washington, DC location be the Department of Justice?
You guys are onto something there.
With such little time it would have to catch on by itself. Draft a little letter about the idea and tweet it, send it to civil rights groups and Trayvon support groups. If it has legs it will do the rest on it’s own. The idea is if any org puts their membership behind it, that ensures there will be hundreds of tweets, facebook and email messages per day. With that much going on, some media person is likely to pick up on it and that moves the ball forward. Because otherwise this would take months of planning and promoting.
Thinking about it… Maybe start by giving a brief explanation then asking people to nominate locations in their city and towns. So it’s sounding like a twitter/facebook campaign. People seem to love things like that so interest may build quickly. Then all that’s needed is a scheme for keeping the information in order and disseminating it. That’s easy, just create a blog for that, a website might get too many hits for a free one to handle. Of course, I haven’t looked at the free website market lately, last I looked they tended to throttle high volume websites.