Weekend reads and open thread

Saturday, November 22, 2014

Good afternoon:

The waiting continues as we are being told that the grand jury did not reach a decision yesterday regarding whether they should indict Darren Wilson.

I won’t bother to speculate about what is going on because I have already decided that the process is illegitimate.

Meanwhile, most of you have been following Shaun King’s fine work analyzing the Michael Brown shooting. Here is his latest, Video: Police lied. Mike Brown was killed 148 feet away from Darren Wilson’s SUV.

FYI: Here is an excerpt from a book by George Lakoff titled, The Strict Father Is at the Core of Conservative Ideology and Values.

For a pleasant change of pace, check out this article by Paul Bibeau titled, Should We Defund The Pentagon And Give That Money To Canadian Musicians?

Best wishes to all,

Fred and Crane

41 Responses to Weekend reads and open thread

  1. a2nite says:

    FYI if you vote this is what can happen: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/24/1342874/-A-Major-Civil-Rights-Victory-Just-Occurred-in-Temecula

    Something good can happen locally if you participate.

    • willisnewton says:

      Yes here in Texas the progressives lost some very important races but in my town two city council members were elected who are decent, honest people not in the pocket of the local developers and committed to intelligent city planning. They ran as “non-declared party” candidates, sadly. Why the democrats tried to run as republican-lite is beyond me. The truman quote comes to mind about republicans and “true republicans”

    • Two sides to a story says:

      There’s a FB meme going around that illustrates this – visually comparing the difference between the 40% who voted and the 60% who did not – just think what that 60% could have achieved in a positive way if they’d voted. Actually, probably 15-20% of those who voted probably did so in a positive, life-affirming way, so if at least half of the 60% did too, there could be some massive and positive change.

  2. willisnewton says:

    CNN reports that multiple news anchors are in contact and negotiating with Darren Wilson for rights to an exclusive interview. I’d like to ask the professor how any of this relates to likely grand jury instructions in a case like this. If memory serves, journalists can get in big tousle for tampering with grand jury witnesses.

    Here is a link to a WaPo story on the same topic.

    • roderick2012 says:

      willienewton: If memory serves, journalists can get in big tousle for tampering with grand jury witnesses.

      Unfortunately, the leaked alleged testimony from Wilson has already been published by the NYT and Washington Post so this grand jury was tainted a long time ago.

  3. MKX says:

    Made in Jamaica.

    Frankly, the studio productions made by C. Dodd have stood the test of time and make Blackwell’s Island work mediocre.

    I can see why Peter Tosh called Blackwell – Whiteworse.

  4. MKX says:


    Formed in the late 1950s, the band was led by double bassist Cluett Johnson (aka Clue J),[1] and other members included Ernest Ranglin (guitar), Emmanuel “Rico” Rodriguez (trombone), Roland Alphonso (tenor saxophone), Theophilus Beckford (piano), Aubrey Adams (piano/organ), and Arkland “Drumbago” Parks (drums).[2] The band was the first to make records in Jamaica, their earliest releases being calypso or R&B, such as “Shuflling Jug”, and were promoted on producer Clement “Coxsone” Dodd’s Downbeat sound system and released on his Worldisc label.[2] Johnson is sometimes credited with creating the term “ska”, after telling Ranglin to “play it like ska, ska, ska”, but this is disputed.[2] Most of the band members went on to greater fame in bands such as The Skatalites.[2] Johnson relocated to Montego Bay where he performed at a hotel until his death

  5. MKX says:

    A couple from Clue J and the Blue Blasters

  6. Check this out. Be surprised.

  7. MDX says:

    IMO, this case is following the Zimmerman game plan. A bunch of evidence was out there proving he was a liar and that he was adapting his story (lie) to fit what he knew was known.

    So did the media see the obvious?

    No, instead, the cell phone photo that proved he was a liar was touted as “proof” that his story was reasonable.

    And then the shills put it in the mind of the masses that guilty requires accepting the story as true and disproving it beyond a reasonable doubt – which is not correct.

    A defendant is merely presumed innocent. There is no requirement that his story has to be accepted as true because a person facing a long term in prison is logically expected to lie or embellish “the truth”.

    So it should be incumbent upon those making the decision to see if there is forensic evidence that warrants a fear for life or supports the story.

    The same pattern is going on with Wilson.

    The media, after he is found not chargeable, will dismiss the critics because they can not disprove the “grabbing the gun” or “bum rush” beyond a reasonable doubt.

    They will also harp, as they did with Zimmerman, on what “he” reasonably believed.

    Again, this is not correct.

    It is what a reasonable police officer or citizen would do or believe.

    Will the vote be made public?

    And the media is already stating unsubstantiated claims as truth, as they did for Zimmerman.

    For example:

    Trayvon “savagely” attacked Zimmerman

    Wilson was “savagely attacked by Brown

    Note, not a pip about the ear (Jenteel) and eye witnesses (johnson) who have stated that the initial “attacks” were on the part of the defendants.

    And the clear propaganda of using the word “savage”.

    One, it enforces the “animal” nature of blacks

    Two, it is an outright lie not supported by wounds, real or imagined, on the part of the victims.

    Joseph Goebbels would be proud of our “fair and balanced” media.

    Do the publish the tally?

    I predict 8 for Wilson and 4 for Brown.

    • Good analysis.

      Do the publish the tally?


    • Two sides to a story says:

      Although MO is down the rabbit hole politically, I don’t think it’s fallen quite as deep as deep South FL. However, it may not make much difference with a cop as defendant. Look at how the Orange County, CA jury let Kelly Thomas’s murderers off after a beating that was far more brutal, cruel, and shocking than a shooting.

  8. SearchingMind says:


    Guys, help me out here. (Almost) everyone thinks that Darren Wilson will not be indicted. The reasons given for that are well founded. BUT, despite that I can’t get rid of a deep rooted conviction – yes, I said conviction – in my heart that Darren Wilson will be indicted for murder. So, guys, wtf is wrong with me? Why do I keep believing in something everyone else dismisses?

    • bettykath says:

      You may be right. It’s possible that the gj decided to take matters into its own hands, away from the prosecutor. That could be the reason for the delay. If they decided to subpoena their own witnesses…..

    • Why do I keep believing in something everyone else dismisses?

      Because it’s the correct result and all of us want it to happen. It can happen until it doesn’t.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      The length of time that this has taken makes me more hopeful that the GJ might come back with an indictment. Well, a little bit hopeful.

  9. MDX says:

    Kissinger reminds me of Dr. Strangelove.

    Our authoritarian system is not that much different from Feudalism in that those few who have land or titles live a life of pleasure on the backs of the masses.

    And today’s shitstem is worse.

    In the old days, the elite had to rule well or die.

    Today, they just have their paid shills tell the masses that they can vote for change.

    Harder They Come:

    Oh yeah, but oh yeah, oh yeah, alright

    Well, they tell me of a pie up in the sky
    Waiting for me when I die
    But between the day you’re born and when you die
    They never seem to hear even your cry

    So as sure as the sun will shine
    I’m gonna get my share now, what’s mine
    And then the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all
    Ooh, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all

    Well, the oppressors are tryin’ to keep me down
    Tryin’ to drive me underground
    And they think that they have got the battle won
    I say forgive them Lord, they know not what they’ve done

    ‘Cause as sure as the sun will shine
    I’m gonna get my share now, what’s mine
    And then the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all
    Ooh, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all

    Oh yeah yeah, well, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah

    But I’ll keep on fighting for the things I want
    Though I know that when you’re dead you can’t
    But I’d rather be a free man in my grave
    Then living as a puppet or a slave

    So as sure as the sun will shine
    I’m gonna get my share right now, what’s mine
    And then the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all
    Ooh, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all

    Hey, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all
    Hey, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all
    Hey, the harder they come, the harder they’ll fall, one and all


    Read more: Jimmy Cliff – The Harder They Come Lyrics | MetroLyrics

  10. On Thursday I official destroyed my voter registration card. Remembering the Kent State University, Eric Garner and Michael Brown murders proved to me finally this country is a very dreadful place to live; will be seeking duo citizenship.

    Darren Wilson and the thug officers in New York will walk just like most police officers who gun down innocent young men and attack homeless women.

    Political seats are sold and not one person in Washington cares we are useless eaters in their eyes. Dr. Henry Kissinger, who wrote, “Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World. If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” If this man believes this stuff American is going down when they finish killing us with the deadly drugs, flu shots and GMO franken foods (McDevil’s, Kentucky Lie Chicken, etc.” Save yourselves from the voting exercise, it does not work.

    • a2nite says:

      The the evil plantation class wins. They don’t want you to vote.

      • willisnewton says:

        Agree. If you don’t vote and work for change- and there is no reason you can’t do BOTH, then you have little right to complain. But if you are changing citizenship that’s another story…..

    • bettykath says:

      I can’t argue with your observations but let’s look at the situation in Ferguson. It’s a majority Black population that is totally run by whites. Why? Blacks haven’t been voting. What would happen, and what may actually happen, if the Black community gets its own leaders to run for city/town/county council, and for mayor? One thing that could happen is the replacement of the police chief and eventually the replacement of the racist mindset of the cops. What if they voted for a different DA? The folks of Ferguson have a powerful tool in their vote, but tool are useful only when they are used.

      • Not just black voters and not just in Ferguson.

        Only 31% of registered Democrats nationwide voted in the election.

        People not only need to vote, they also need to stop voting against their best interests. If everyone voted in their own best interests, Republicans would only get 0.01% of the vote.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          Amen. I’m amazed by GOP voters. Gobsmacked, actually, that they can so so flagrantly vote against their own self interests; indeed, the self-interests of a vast majority, really.

  11. MDX says:

    American woman, said get away
    American woman, listen what I say
    Don’t come hangin’ around my door
    Don’t wanna see your face no more

    I don’t need your war machines
    I don’t need your ghetto scenes
    Colored lights can hypnotize
    Sparkle someone else’s eyes
    Now woman, get away from me
    American woman, mama let me be

    • Malisha says:

      But it is not “American woman” who has brought us to this racist turning point in our country’s present crisis. It’s “American White Man.” And American White Man is known to be just as misogynist as he is racist.

      • MDX says:

        I believe they meant “American Women” as a metaphor for the cute package our propaganda uses to make us enticing to the world.

        For example, the NFL waves the flag, honors the soldiers, and has cute cheerleaders.

        So misogyny is surely part of the ugly.

        And rock music was/is rife with misogyny, so the Guess Who could have used some self-reflection.

  12. MDX says:

    Canadian Musicians?

    Guess who? 🙂

    This tune is applicable today as it was when it was coined:

  13. MDX says:

    A quote from the article on strict fathers.

    “Morality comes in the form of rules, or commandments, made by a moral authority. To be moral is to be obedient to that authority…”

    I think the above is a key to explaining why so many let a cop get away with murder.

    The logic is:

    A cop is an authority figure

    The victim did not obey

    Therefore the victim is bad

    bad people deserve to be punished.

    I caution that this type of authoritarian cretin also exists in progressive websites.

    There is a crew of them who tout they are lawyers or prosecutors defending the obvious sham that the system is doing with regard to Wilson. The gist of their position is that they are “experts” and how dare us peons question a system of “professionals” who “must” use our “perfect” legal system.

    It is classic appeal to authority.

    The worst of their arguments is that the GJ is “fair” because it has two blacks and ten whites, thus reflecting the racial composition of the county, taken as a whole. They strenuously argue that a 50:50 mix would be biased, thus tipping how they rank people by hierarchy.

    If they did not rate whites higher on the honesty scale than blacks, then the “composition” of the jury should not matter because, in a society that is truly non-racist, skin color should have a much bearing as hair color.

    What would we call a person who said a jury was not fair because 10/12 had black hair?

    A nut.

    And, if we live in the rational world, thus accepting that blacks and whites will have biased views, then their logic is not correct.

    Assume for arguments sake, that a panel of 12 must judge a call that will decide a Super Bowl between the Packers and Steelers.

    Would anyone in their right mind think that a jury of 10 Packer fans and 2 Steelers fans would make a non-biased decision?

    The reality of the USA is that it is rife with racists assumptions about blacks, thus making “white” justice injustice.

    The line from West Side Story:

    “everything is right in America….”

    …if you are white in America

  14. How ’bout those Canadian musicians?

  15. I don’t want to get anybody’s hopes up, but there is a possibility that members of the grand jury, which is not sequestered, have read Shaun King’s analysis of the distance between Wilson’s SUV and Mike Brown’s body (148 feet instead of the 35 foot police version) and my article earlier this week about the 41 second time interval between Wilson notifying dispatch that he had stopped Brown and Johnson and a person who posted a tweet about the shooting. Some may have realized that Wilson’s claim of self-defense was a lie.

    With the frightening possibility of a war breaking out that could potentially result in some deaths, depending on their decision, they may be split and close enough to 9 votes to indict, such that they are willing to continue deliberations.

    The decision to indict should be a no-brainer.

    But . . .

    • Motor City Lady says:

      I have been holding out rational “hope” that the GJ has been exposed to information via the media that’s not presented directly by the prosecutor.

      I’m also holding out hope that by taking its time and not “rushing to judgment” the GJ will hear and see enough evidence to indict.

      As I mentioned in another thread, even taking politics into account, indictment *would be* the politic thing to do. If the GJ indicts, the matter will be back in the prosecutor’s court (no pun intended) and he can then charge Wilson as he sees fit.

      If he overcharges with first degree murder, the public calling for Wilsons’ head will be overjoyed. However, the prosecutor would know that getting a conviction on “1st” would be difficult, if not impossible.

      So, everyone would be temporarily on the same page. But the ultimate outcome Wilson’s being tried for 1st would likely be “not guilty.”

      By then, the result will be no more inflammatory than Zimmerman’s or Casey Anthony’s acquittal. Much tsk-tsk-ing and damn head shaking and comments on blog back and forth, but no violence.

      • Doesn’t work that way.

        An indictment is an accusation that a defendant committed a specific crime. For example, first degree murder.

        If the grand jury indicts Wilson for first degree murder, the prosecution has to attempt to prove that charge.

        All lesser included offenses, such as murder 2 and manslaughter, are necessarily included even if not charged. That means the trial jury could consider murder 2, if it cannot unanimously agree that the prosecution overcame the presumption of innocence by proof beyond a reasonable doubt and therefore failed to prove murder 1.

        By a similar process, the jury can only consider manslaughter, if the jury cannot unanimously agree that the prosecution proved murder 2.

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