Was the story about Mike Brown’s blood in Darren Wilson’s vehicle selectively leaked

Monday, October 20, 2014

Good morning:

Questions surfaced yesterday regarding the sources of the New York Times article on Saturday that has been used to portray Mike Brown as the aggressor in his encounter with Officer Darren Wilson of the Ferguson Police Department. I wrote about the article, Michael Brown’s blood found on officer’s gun, uniform and interior panel of driver’s door.

I suspect the tip about Mike Brown’s blood may be true, however, I think it is a good example of selective leaking motivated by a desire to portray Mike Brown as the aggressor and discredit Dorian Johnson’s statement about the shooting.

As I pointed out yesterday, even if this information is true, it is consistent with Dorian Johnson’s statement that Wilson grabbed Mike Brown’s arm through the open window, pulled him to pin him against the door, drew his gun and shot him in the arm during the ensuing struggle.

Not only is the forensic evidence consistent with Dorian Johnson’s statement, it does not address the fundamental issue in the case; namely, did Darren Wilson shoot and kill Mike Brown after he stopped fleeing, turned around and raised his hands in the universally understood gesture of surrender?

Nevertheless, that did not stop the right-wing-message-machine from claiming that the forensic evidence proves Mike Brown was the aggressor and exculpates Darren Wilson.

The sources of information referenced in the article are not identified, except for this statement in the first paragraph, “according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.”

The second paragraph refers to “forensic tests conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

The eighth paragraph states that, “the account of Officer Wilson’s version of events did not come from the Ferguson Police Department or from officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry.”

Sometimes, you have to look at what is not said in order to discern the truth.

What was not said is whether the unnamed officials may be biased by virtue of relationship or continued employment by the “officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry.”

Given the absence of awareness that the forensic evidence is consistent with Dorian Johnson’s statement, I think we are seeing an example of selective leaking motivated by a desire to influence public opinion by portraying Darren Wilson as the victim.

I suspect the leak was planned and is a good example of what the grand jury is being told and how it will be manipulated to conclude that Darren Wilson should not be charged with a crime.

No indictment would be a crime because none of the eyewitness statements can be reasonably interpreted to support a conclusion that Officer Darren Wilson was in imminent danger of death or serious injury when he fired the fatal shots.

We continue to wait for justice in Ferguson and we are losing patience.

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84 Responses to Was the story about Mike Brown’s blood in Darren Wilson’s vehicle selectively leaked

  1. Enrique says:

    Finally, I read Trisha 0620 talk about imminent danger. I am from Texas, and lives in a border town and have been following all the news that I can obtained to keep up in the Darren Wilson’s case.

    I am not here to refresh any police officer mind about imminent danger to his life or the life of a third person. But let’s give the benefit of the doubt to Darren Wilson that Michael Brown went for his automatic service weapon, although there is not evidences to support the officer statement.

    If, it is true that Michael Brown went for the officer gun, then obvious that he would fear for his life and shot Michael in a self-defense act. Fine, up to that instance, but according to Officer Darren Wilson owned statement that after shooting Michael, Michael turned ran away. When Michael Brown turned and ran away from Officer Darren Wilson, the imminent danger clause expired, terminated, finished and he no longer was under the imminent danger shield.

    When Michael Brown ran away after being shoted, the threat or fear for his life was no longer in existence. When Michael Brown stopped and turned around with his hands up in the air, Michael was not longer a threat to Darren Wilson’s life and Wilson fire two additional fatal shots that ended Michael Brown’s life.

    Forensic Pathologist Michael Baden performed an autopsy on Michael Brown with the results of not finding any gun powder on the deceased body, which clearly indicates that Darren Wilson’s gun muzzle to Michael Brown was more than five feet. Dr. Michael Baden autopsy report contradict and defiance St. Louis Medical Examiner Mary Case’s original autopsy report. I have 27 years, as a former criminal investigator, who investigated hundreds or even thousands of criminal cases and based on Dr. Michael Baden’s autopsy finding, put every investigations done by federal, state and local police department to shame. Dr. Michael M. Baden is a trustworthy forensic pathologist who performed autopsies on JFK and Martin Luther King…

  2. Trisha0620 says:

    Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown after they fought for control of the officer’s gun and after Brown moved toward Wilson as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.

    Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

    Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, the Post sources said, which cast Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.

    The grand jury is expected to complete its deliberations next month over whether Wilson broke the law in confronting Brown, and the pending decision appears to be prompting the unofficial release of information about the case and what the jurors have been told.

    The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, which suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

    Experts told the newspaper Brown was first shot at close range and may have been reaching for Wilson’s weapon while the officer was still in his vehicle and Brown was standing at the driver’s side window. The autopsy found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in a wound on Brown’s thumb, the autopsy says.

    Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who reviewed the report for the Post-Dispatch, said it “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.”

    Melinek, who is not involved in the investigation, said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender when Wilson shot him in the street.

    Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family, said Brown’s family and supporters will not be persuaded by the autopsy report or eyewitness statements that back Wilson’s account of the incident.

    “The family has not believed anything the police or this medical examiner has said,” Crump said. “They have their witnesses. We have seven witnesses that we know about that say the opposite.”

    Crump also said one of the reasons the family and protesters were opposed to a grand jury proceeding was because it gives authorities too much control over what the public would learn about the case, as evidenced by the leaks.

    “The family wanted a jury trial that was transparent, not one done in secrecy, not something that they believe is an attempt to sweep their son’s death under the rug,” he said.

    Wilson’s lawyer, James P. Towey Jr., did not return a call seeking comment.

    Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson’s account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, the Washington Post sources said.

    The St. Louis County Police Department and FBI are investigating the shooting and evidence gathered by both agencies is being presented to the grand jury, which started meeting in mid-August and is expected to conclude its work early next month.

    The evidence the grand jury is reviewing is voluminous. From the beginning, St. Louis County prosecuting attorney Robert McCulloch decided jurors would hear and review all credible and reliable evidence, including testimony from each eyewitness.

    Jurors have also been provided with the St. Louis County autopsy report, including toxicology test results for Brown that show he had levels of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. The Post sources said the levels in Brown’s body may have been high enough to trigger hallucinations.

    The county police, FBI and the Department of Justice all declined to comment on the information The Washington Post received regarding testimony and evidence in the case.

    “The independent federal investigation into the shooting of Michael Brown is ongoing,” said Dena Iverson, Justice Department spokesperson. “We will not comment on irresponsible leaks and rumors about the status of the investigation.”

    Tim Fitch, a former St. Louis County Police Chief, said there are benefits to leaking crucial information to the public ahead of a grand jury announcement.

    “I think it’s good to get some accurate information out there. That way on game day, it’s not a surprise to people,” said Fitch, who retired last year from the county police department, which is now conducting the investigation into Wilson.

    Ed Magee, McCulloch’s spokesman, said the leaks won’t stop the deliberations.
    “We will continue to present evidence to the Grand Jury and our office is not responsible for these leaks.”

    During his testimony before the grand jury last month, Wilson told jurors the encounter with Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson began when he ordered the two men to stop walking in the street and get onto the sidewalk.

    Things quickly escalated, Wilson told jurors, with Brown shouting an expletive at him and refusing to move to the sidewalk. In August, a lawyer for Johnson said the officer used profanity in ordering them onto the sidewalk.

    The Post sources interviewed in recent days said Wilson testified that he stopped his police SUV and opened the door to approach Brown, but the 18-year-old used both hands to slam the door shut, trapping him in his patrol vehicle. Brown then reached through the open window and began to repeatedly punch the officer in the face, Wilson testified.

    The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

    After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6’ 4’’ and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

    Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

    The Post-Dispatch, in a story published early Wednesday on Wilson’s account of the incident, cited a single “source with knowledge of his statements” in providing additional details. The story said that Wilson testified that during the struggle at the SUV, Brown pressed the barrel of his gun against the officer’s hip and attempted to prevent Wilson from reaching the trigger of his gun. According to Wilson’s testimony, the Post-Dispatch said, Brown was running toward Wilson when he was fatally shot and that his hands were not up.

    The source also told the newspaper that Wilson told jurors he was trapped in the front seat and couldn’t use his pepper spray to subdue Brown because it would have also incapacitated him. His baton was also out of reach, at the back of his utility belt, pinned between his body and the seat. He also did not have a Taser, so he drew his gun, the Post-Dispatch reported.

    The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

    In interviews with The Washington Post, sources said blood spatter evidence shows that Brown was heading toward the officer during their face-off, but analysis of the evidence did not reveal how fast Brown was moving.

    Wilson’s testimony conflicts with several public accounts.

    According to Dorian Johnson, after Wilson ordered them out of the street, he put his vehicle in reverse and opened the front door so forcefully that it bounced against the two men.

    Johnson has said that Wilson, while still in the SUV, grabbed Brown by his collar. Brown was trying to free himself and never tried to get the gun, Johnson said. Wilson drew his gun and threatened to shoot, then it went off, he said. Johnson and Brown then ran.

    “He shot again and once my friend felt that shot he turned around and put his hands in the air and started to get down, and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots,” Johnson told CBS News in an interview.

    Several other witnesses gave media interviews saying they saw activity at the vehicle, but each said they were unclear about the nature of that encounter. They have offered varied though fundamentally similar versions of what happened afterward. Brown, witnesses said, was fleeing when Wilson opened fire on the street. After being hit by a bullet, Brown turned around with his hands up, trying to surrender, when the officer shot him several more times, they said.

    Exactly how high Brown’s hands were has been inconsistent in the accounts, and at least one witness said that after Brown was shot, he appeared to take a step toward Wilson. That witness said, however, Brown had his arms around his stomach before hitting the ground.

    Protests erupted after the shooting, when demonstrators squared off against police who used tear gas and rubber-coated bullets to try to disperse crowds. Images of police patrolling the streets during the day and clashing with demonstrators at night shocked many and drew concern from the White House and some Washington lawmakers.

    The grand jury proceedings are unusual. Typically in a grand jury case, the lead investigator will provide an overview of his findings and perhaps one or two witnesses will testify.

    However, McCulloch decided from the beginning that the grand jury in this case would sort through all the evidence. And, instead of telling grand jury members what charges they believe Wilson should face, prosecutors are involving the grand jury as co-investigators.

    Justin Moyer, Lindsey Bever and Alice Crites contributed to this report.


  3. I saw that! Unbelievable!

    • racerrodig says:

      I live in NJ and I believe this is illegal since the painting is on private property. This same type of thing created some backlash some years ago and I’ll try to find exactly where and what.

      This is bull…………..

      There are a lot of things someone can complain about, but this is clearly a free speech and expression issue.

  4. Trisha0620 says:

    of course she said it until she is challenged

  5. Here is the Facebook exchange that I had with a forensic pathologist who is quoted in a Post-Dispatch story this morning (Oct. 22, 2014).

    Gloria S. Ross Dr.: Melinek, if the quote below is accurate, I do not understand how you arrived at your conclusion that the victim had to be reaching for the gun. It seems to be the only conclusion that can be drawn is that his hand was near the gun.

    FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH: Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”
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    Dr. Judy Melinek: I did not say that the victim “had to be reaching for the gun.” What I said was that the gunpowder in the wound supports the officer’s version of events. Please read St. Louis dispatch article on officer’s version.

    • Disappointed says:

      If I am standing near a person who pulls a gun on me I think my instinct would be to try to push gun away. I guess if you are black teen that means reaching for the gun. Some people are so stupid. It’s crazy how media twist shit. Darren Wilson feared for his life while Michael feared nothing.

      • Disappointed says:

        That of course is snark. I believe witnesses. They have nothing to gain.

        • I, too, believe the many unrelated witnesses who told their stories immediately after the incident. And so far, the forensics do not conflict with their very similar stories. The only conflict is coming from the conclusions of reporters, talking heads and, now unbelievably, this nonsensical expert.

        • racerrodig says:

          I believe them as well. None of the knew Mike. Let me put this cover up in a way we can all understand. It has to do with manipulation of facts.

          If I ask you all how many fingers you have, everyone will say 10.

          I have 11 and I can prove it with math, which is an exact science.

          On my left hand, let me count……1-2-3-4-5.

          On my right hand I have 10-9-8-7-6…….

          6 + 5 = 11……So needless to say I was reaching for a gun, which was on the other side of a cop who was seated in an SUV, which they conveniently forget to mention would be very hard to do seeing an SUV is higher off the ground. Even with Mike being over 6 ft. This is the same crap that Fogen spewed with Trayvon seeing or “…..I felt he saw my gun…”

          Here’s another good one…..

          “…THC, the mind altering chemical in marijuana,…” which is in the Post article. The autopsy states THC would caused him to be
          “….impaired..” not aggressive. Impaired removes one aggressive response.

          “mind altering” compared to what ?? The power given a bully when they get a badge and a gun ??

    • Diamonique says:

      Wow. Just… wow. She didn’t say it? Why yes she did.. it’s right there in the article.

      These people just piss me off.

    • racerrodig says:

      “…She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”

      Well……what if Mike is being pulled by Wilson and Mike has his hand on the steering wheel and is pushing back to get away…..

      His hand would be near the gun wouldn’t it ?? Why yes racer, it would !!

      Yep…….I love it when you crush someone with their own words….then it becomes a laugher when they tell that’s not what they said………

    • MDX says:

      Then she failed, by error or omission, to note that it also supports Johnson’s testimony and that of the other witnesses.

  6. Diamonique says:

    “There is a gunshot entrance wound of the dorsal right forearm.”

    I had to look up dorsal. It means the back. So the bullet entered the back of his forearm. Does that mean Wilson fired at Brown as he was running away?

    OK. I need to stop reading this thing. It’s too upsetting.

    • Bill Taylor says:

      it means that bullet hit either while Brown was running away OR after Brown turned and then it could ONLY hit there if his arm was RAISED………the people writing the stories are either stupid or liars…..the autopsy describes an execution and supports every witness.

      • “The people writing the stories are either stupid or liars” – could we vote for both? They are also getting help from outside, as noted in this quote from a story in the Post-Dispatch this morning:

        Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”

        I do not know how she reached this conclusion. All it tells me is that his hand was near the gun.

        • MDX says:

          Wow, by Melinek’s logic, a hole in the head is evidence that the person shot was trying to head butt an gun.

          They should have used her in the Zimmerman trial to testify that Martin attacked Zimmerman’s gun with his chest – and most if not all of that jury would have found that a reasonable view (:

  7. Diamonique says:

    This is getting on my last nerve.

    “…during the struggle the Officer’s weapon was un-holstered”.

    What kind of B.S. is that? Un-holstered by whom? Did the gun pop out of the holster all by itself?

    Wilson is gonna walk. These people make me sick.

    • I just read the two latest Post-Dispatch stories and I’m too agitated to sleep. I don’t know why this is being reported as it is; some of the information is actually untrue. Other information is vague and misleading. I’m disgusted.

  8. MDX says:

    The media is also avoiding the clear large size of Wilson based on what I see in that award photo.

    My theory is that Wilson used profanity to tell the boys to get out of the street and Brown committed “the crime” of sassing him back, thus leading Wilson to back his car in front of them an start something.

    How he can be defended for good police work is beyond comprehension.

    The was zip discipline or level headed behavior on the part of a “trained” officer.

    And this should be a window into why black teens are shot during confrontations at a rate 21 times white teens.

    Oh, but the defenders of our great “objective” legal system will make sure to tell us “if only Brown had ‘behaved'”.


    What about Wilson.

    Petulantly yelling at teens because they made him slow down on the way to Dunkin Doughnuts?

    Overreacting, when one sasses him?

    Getting into a physical altercation when he had a car to keep his distance, call back up, along with a gun.

    After, maybe, suffering some minor blows, chasing down Brown while unleashing bullets that could have struck others?

    And for what crime?

    • racerrodig says:

      “Getting into a physical altercation when he had a car to keep his distance, call back up, along with a gun.”

      Funny……if you change “….call back up….” to “…call the police…” you have the Michael Duuhhnnn “This is what the Judge said you should have done” story.

      Hmmmmmmm ?

      “And for what crime?” Exactly, there wasn’t even any music involved.

  9. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    There are “journalists” who have obviously – well, hopefully – seen the footage of Wilson walking around non-chalantly and with no brutal injuries who still contend that Darren “Racist Murderer” Wilson was “badly beaten” by this teen.

    Good god.

    Also, what other profession is so eager to admit to beatings by children? As a former teacher in an impoverished school, I have been in altercations with teens, and of course I never fought back – we aren’t allowed- and, if I did catch a little beating by a kid, I never readily admitted it. Because that’s lame.

    Ha. Maybe I’m being macho but I was never eager to be all “yeah a teen beat me up”.

    Then again, and I’m strictly playing devil’s advocate here, if I had had something to hide, if I had been in the wrong – maybe I started it, maybe I touched the kid inappropriately, maybe I used a racial slur, maybe witnesses saw me hit back – then yeah, I’d perhaps be concocting a “brutal beating at the hands of a teen” tale.

    But, you know, I’m not a depraved racist child killer, so I wouldn’t know what I’d do in that case.

    My point is, it’s clear to me that when a Big Tuff White Gun-Totin’ Killer uses the “I was scared of the black teen thug even though I had a gun and normally I love to portray myself as tough” defense, it’s because they need to cover their ass and they’re desperate for legal defense.

    I know Darren Wilson is a depraved racist who hates blacks and thinks they are thugs, but, just like Zimmerman, I do not think that he was ever actually fearful for himself. Yeah he thought they were “up to no good”, because he’s a depraved racist, but he also knew that he could just as soon kill them if things got out of hand. He believes that black life has no value, like a true racist thug.

  10. Malisha says:

    Weird how people get all the wrong stupid ideas. I was brought up in a place where there were no Blacks (1950s in small town East Coast) and I knew none. Then when I got into college I met plenty of kids my age who were Black, Asian, European, etc. etc. Whenever I was in the presence of African American kids, I assumed they were afraid of ME because I was white, so after all, wasn’t it probable that I was a dangerous racist? I never IMAGINED I should be afraid of THEM!

    • MDX says:

      A lot of whites fail to put themselves in the shoes of a black person. I mean, unless they stay in a predominantly black area, a black person is always in the minority.

      How many whites have ever been a minority in an area where they live or work?

      It changed my perspective.

      I used to ride the Seven Mile/Hamilton bus to Mid Town back in the 1980s and was the only white person on it. So, if I was some sort of enemy, I would have got my ass kicked – which I didn’t.

      Life is hard when you are poor.

      And, if anything, it made me very angry at the trifling asshat whites. living the soft life, who make generalizations about the work ethic of “the blacks”.

      February, in Detroit, is very cold and bleak in the morning and is the time when you step across to the bus (the snow piles) and it is so nice to get warm after you have frozen solid out in that wind.

      Anyhow, seared in my memory of all that pain, is the black mother who was always beside me at the stop on the way to work and the boxer who would roll on by doing his roadwork, You could set your clock by those two.

      Or just go to an urban gym.

      • Disappointed says:

        My daughter in law works for a company who lease section 42 apartments. She told me the white people plan to stay on it and most of the blacks are using it while in school to better themselves for the benefit of their children. I trust her because she has been in the business 20 plus years.

        • MDX says:

          My neighborhood was completely destroyed by section 8 renting. For example, the nice couple next store, who worked for the COD water department, moved to Brighton and used their former Detroit home as a section 8 cash cow. It became what we affectionately called a 24/7 crack emporium.

          More on point, the first destroyers of property were the white renters.

          Two boys, in particular, reminded me of Beavis and Butt Head. They spent hours alone in a wood frame cracker box and, for amusement, they would take a hammer and chisel to break out pieces of the street curb while laughing.

          Another kid at an other home would practice his slap shot against a garage to the point where it was holed like Swiss Cheese.

          IMO, the good, the bad and the ugly cut equally across so-called race, culture and social status.

          I mean Mitt Romney, a Birmingham Blue-Blood, was a true thug.

          He assaulted another kid in his school and forcibly cut his hair. Could you imagine how the Reich Wing would have run with that info, if Brown or Martin had committed such an act?

          • PhillyBoyRoy says:

            Many of our former presidents and presidential candidates have done things that would have easily gotten them shot by cops had they been black.

          • Two sides to a story says:

            Definitely, PhillyBoyRoy. I have a sibling who was a wildchild and got away with his doings because he was 1) lucky and had he not been lucky, he was 2) white and would have just been taken home by cops or slapped on the wrist. He’s a conservative who doesn’t seem to understand white privilege, though he’s not at all a racist. It’s frustrating to get people to understand.

  11. I’ve been searching for close to an hour now for an answer to this question. The moment I read the story I didn’t understand how it specifically validated Officer Wilson’s claim. I’m very, very wary of immediately blaming it on media bias, but I’ve found absolutely NO explanation for the claim whatsoever. I’m busy trying to contact people who believe Wilson is innocent to see if they can give me their perspective, but I don’t know if I’ll find any answers. Thank you for letting me know I’m not crazy.

  12. MDX says:

    The media played the same game with Zimmerman. When the “bloody” cell phone photos were released, the headlines screamed:


    Whereas anyone who took the time to compare one of his, at least, six changeable stories with those photos would conclude:


    Some examples:

    In one story, he claimed Trayvon was pushing so hard on his face, that he could not breath…

    The photo shows no smearing of blood

    Or the famous 20 to 30 MMA blows raining down on thee…

    Gee, I see two pin pricks dribbling blood and a minor linear mark across the nose.

    Or the “I was choking on my blood”

    Sorry, the only blood was dribbling off of those pin prick and his nares were dry as a bone

    So now we have CNN misstating that this leaked report of blood stains verifies Wilson’s story.

    Wow, you shoot a guy, he bleeds on you and he runs away is cause to reasonably fear for your life such that you give chase while unleashing a hail of fire.

    Actually, If we had a real Left Wing media, they would use the propaganda of CNN to show why police in the USA can kill black teens during stops at a rate 25 times that of white teens, and nothing gets done about it.

    Hell, even if we ignore the racism, police are killing whites at a rate 100 times that of a typical country in Europe. Which, sadly, makes the rate for our black friends 2500 times that in Europe.

    No wonder Marvin Hagler moved to Italy to live out his life after the ring.

    If he had stayed in the USA, some shithead like Zimmerman or Wilson might have shot him.

    • Disappointed says:

      Why does Darren get to fear for his life but Michael Brown is not afforded the same fear? An 18 year who has just been cussed at. Then almost hit by police vehicle. Grabbed and shot at said vehicle. Runs for his life while being shot and we are to believe he was not scared? He was shot at more than 10 times, he wasn’t at the magic kingdom in Disney. Omg.
      This should not be a black and white thing. This is a put yourself in a persons shoes. Sick of people acting like they would not get mouthy if someone told them to get the fuck on the sidewalk. As a tax payor paying your salary you need to show respect and be professional at all times no matter the age or skin color. If you can’t park your fucking car asshole. I’m white. Im old. Im a mother. I live in a very diverse area. I do not fear black people, I fear racist. They piss me off thinking they are superior because of their skin color. I pray for the safety of all the great people on this blog. I wouldn’t blame you for hating all whites but you don’t. We vent together and pray for the ignorance and madness to stop. Will it ever? If Darren Wilson truly did nothing wrong why is he hiding? Why is he not back to work?

      • roderick2012 says:

        Why does Darren get to fear for his life but Michael Brown is not afforded the same fear?


        According to the right wing mindset because they find black men ‘scary’ then black men can never be afraid.

        It’s the result of centuries of racial brainwashing.

        • MDX says:

          Absolutely true.

          The right wing accepts that their hero – George Zimmerman – needed to carry a gun to go anywhere in that “dangerous” area, yet blithely ignore that neither Trayvon or the 7-11 clerk in the video the precedes the murder seemed to be worried about anything.

          And they will ignore that there were two white construction workers in that neighborhood who witnessed the shooting of Brown and appear not to fear for their own safety, but are appalled at what happened to Brown.

        • Disappointed says:

          Roderick2012 someone should let the right wing know black is a color. We still all have thoughts, hearts and bleed red. We are all the same. No doubt Michael Brown was the only one in fear and in danger.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      The rate of police killing blacks in the US today is roughly the same as lynchings in the Jim Crow era.

  13. If Mike Brown had any wish of attacking this officer, it disappeared the second he was shot. Are we to honestly believe that after being shot he decided to turn around, taunt, then attack the armed officer that just shot him instead of surrendering so he doesn’t get shot again? My God the right wing is so beyond common sense I really think these people are to dangerous to be alive.

  14. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    Only in “post-racial” killer American cop cases would the victim’s blood in your car prove your innocence and put the victim in the wrong.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Bout right. They can shoot prisoners handcuffed behind their backs and call it suicide and get away with it.

  15. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    Why has there been so little coverage of the lack of police report?

    I am a teacher, and if I fail a student for the year but fail to produce any paper trail, or claim that I forgot to document anything or “chose not to” document anything, then the student, his/her parents, and my administrators are going to assume that I have something to hide and that the failure was based on my own personal bias rather than objective truth.

    Why isn’t the press all over Wilson for failing to be accountable and present a simple report of what happened?

  16. Professor, your analysis is spot-on. I have written to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about their misleading reporting on this case. I have not received a response to my latest two missives. The Washington Post has generally done a good job, but their reporting on this forensic evidence has also been woefully lacking. The forensics support the simple story that Dorian Johnson told immediately and has changed; it does not lend credence to Darren Johnson’s belated story (no incident report is known to exist, which is both against Missouri law and police policy). I am very angry and frustrated about the way this is playing out.

  17. annahkonda says:

    Just my two cents. During the 4 hours interval that Mike was sprawled on the ground, I believe the officers at the scene were concocting a tale of desperation for Officer Wilson. I believe Mike’s blood from the street was smeared onto Wilson’s uniform and onto the inside of the suv by the officer(s) at the scene.

    What kind of a trained police officer has to shoot 10 times to hit a target 35 feet away?

    • bettykath says:

      One that really 90 feet away. They have a special tape measure.

      • PhillyBoyRoy says:

        Wonder why they are attempting to “change” it from 90 to 35?

        How was 35 determined as a decent distance for a self-defense shooting?

        And what’s wrong with 90 feet?

        I still think it would take several seconds for someone 35 feet away from you to reach you and kill you – even a bum rushing crazed black animal.

        Why didn’t Darren “Kid Killer” Wilson get back in his police car if he was in such imminent danger of a black bum rush?

        As Papa pointed out earlier, it’s funny how in all these racist thug cases (Zimmerman, Dunn, Wilson) the ones doing the killing are in “imminent danger” even though they have the guns and, frankly, intended to kill. Meanwhile the victims were probably just defending themselves or fleeing.

        Up is down.

        • YQ says:

          Wilsons claim: Its because “90ft” could suggest that Wilson shot at Brown when his back was turned. That wouldn’t be good for his defense. “35ft” means he came back. The pause of the gunshots comes into play here. There was enough time for Brown to give up, but he “bumrushed” so Wilson had to shoot. The final shot stopped Brown and the body was found 92ft from the SUV.

          This is still a problem for Wilson because there is audio of the shooting and some witnesses that say Brown was surrendering after the first volley of shots. To me, the pause in the shots gives Wilson a moment to reflect on his training.

      • racerrodig says:

        It’s the new math……
        If a suspect shoots at a cop, it’s always from a great distance. Ya know…..kind of like a deadly sniper, and a “god cop” would never see it coming.

        If a cop shoots anyone…..the closer the better. That puts a cop in greater “danger” and needless to say the “I damn near shit my pants I so scared” fear factor skyrockets.

  18. Bill Taylor says:

    please help me understand something….i see repeated claims that Johnson “recanted” and that his lawyer admitted he and Brown robbed the store??? yet the ONLY thing i have found is some tv and radio station saying it is “reportedly” that Johnson admitted…..and i have seen both the lawyer and Johnson say there was no robbery and have seen them say AFTER the recant nonsense that NO there has been no changes there was no robbery….have any of you seen anything at all supporting the recant nonsense?

    • girlp says:

      My understanding is that the store owner did not report a robbery or shoplifting that a woman in the store called the police and they did not say why (I suspect it had to do with Michael shoving the store owner). The police waited until the Friday after Michael Brown was shot with a warrent to get the video, why didn’t they go to the store when the alleged robbery took place to get a report and arrest Michael Brown…

      • Bill Taylor says:

        further research finds it appears somebody called a radio show and claimed Johnson had recanted and said Brown attacked wilson and they both robbed the store……….within 2 hours there were over 150,000 links to this with NONE of them showing anything other than links to each other claiming the same thing…….when asked directly about this johnsons lawyer said NO he has never recanted or changed anything that he testified to the fbi for around 3 hours and they found him credible……for full disclosure i am a pure libertarian an actual real conservative, unlike the modern conservative that loves big government and hates liberty.

  19. LLMPapa says:

    This ENTIRE altercation, from initial encounter to final shot, lasted 2 mins and 23 sec.

    DW’s story means that in a NANO SECOND, a stone cold sober, UNARMED, 18 yo kid walking down the street decided to reach into a cop car’s open window, beat the crap out of the cop inside, try to get the cop’s gun, then take off running, only to come charging BACK at the cop who was emptying his gun at him.

    I hate to say it, but that idiot Zimmerman had a better story than this crap.

    • bettykath says:

      That’s because fogen is a well practiced liar. DW hasn’t had to have had the practice. He has a real badge and a union to back up whatever crap he spews.

    • racerrodig says:

      Hey Papa….doesn’t 2:23 seem like an eternity for what Wilson’s story is ??

      Maybe it’s me but just like Fogen it seems like something else transpired here. If the clock starts when Wilson tells them to get on the sidewalk, then drives up 50 or so feet, turns around and comes back, that would be 20 – 30 seconds then the struggle at the door begins.

      From what I hear from the witnesses, the struggle was fairly short. I doubt it was a full minute, Mike ran about 100 feet. Even a slow 18 year old can run 100 yards in 13 seconds meaning approx. 23 fps. Add some adrenaline into the mix and he covers 100 feet in no more than 6 seconds if he’s slow. It is documented his body was 92 feet from the SUV, meaning he ran a little over 100 feet and staggered back only a few steps.

      It is 205 feet from the corner of my porch to the street. I just had my son time me to the 1/2 way point and I did it in 6.03 and I’m 59.

      I did it twice just to prove it.

      That would be an 18 sec. 100 yard which is about right for me.

      So if there is 30 seconds from initiation to the struggle, 30 seconds for the struggle (1 minute, which is a long time) then at most a 6 – 7 second run by Mike getting to the 1:10 to 1:20 mark at most, then Mike turning, going hands up and walking back stating OK, OK, OK, OK, OK,…..which could be no more than a few seconds, what else happened ?? 30 seconds of unaccounted for events could mean a lot.

      We all know more always happens in a crime like this, so what else happened ??

      It seems to me there is about 1 minute unaccounted for. If anyone has a detailed timeline, I’m all ears.

  20. Sophia33 says:

    This hurts Wilson’s claim not helps. But the media is spinning it as if people have no common sense, which many do not. This fits with Dorian Johnson’s statements. I don’t like how the media is portraying this new “evidence”. BTW, was there any evidence of the officer’s blood anywhere. What happened to the big black teenager beating the crap out of him?

    • Motor City Lady says:

      Sophia33, I tend to agree with you. I fault the media for the angle they’re taking on this news. I haven’t heard any commentator suggest the information supports Dorian Johnson’s first-hand, eyewitness account.

      There was no dispute that the officer fired his weapon while still in his vehicle and that Michael Brown was hit by a bullet at that time. So finding Brown’s blood on the gun, in the car and on Officer Wilson is hardly a surprise.

      My questions,then are as follows:

      Is the blood smeared or spattered or both?

      Were Michael Brown’s fingerprints on the officer’s weapon? If not, then how would Wilson be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Brown was “going for” his weapon? Even if Brown’s fingerprints *were* on the weapon, it still leaves reasonable doubt as to whether he (Brown) was trying to push the weapon away when the shot was fired.

      The autopsy by Dr. Baden revealed no wounds on Michael Brown’s hands. Was Wilson’s DNA scraped from under Brown’s fingernails? If not, then that part of the account is questionable. If so, it *still* doesn’t mean Brown was the aggressor. He may have been punching and scratching the officer to get him (Wilson) to let go of him so he could run away — which is what he ended up doing *after* he was shot.

      I’m still not certain about the details of this incident. I think Wilson should be indicted, sent to trial, and let a jury decide the case, based on all the best evidence offered while witnesses are under oath.

  21. sunshine616 says:

     October 20, 2014 at 7:23 am


    J. Roorda and how they make sure cops aren’t held accountable. They will never make me believe they didn’t do the same in defense of Darren Wilson. They are documented fabricators.

  22. Darren Wilson needs the St.Oscar defense.

    I wonder if Barry Roux is available to work on a consulting basis?

    • racerrodig says:

      Not to mention getting Michael Knox to show how the trajectory of the bullets shows “bum rushing”

      I wonder how much cardboard he’ll need ?? Hmmmmmm ??

      Since I see LLMPapa back in full voice (I missed ya my good man) I’m sure we’ll see Knox get “owned” once again.

      I can’t wait to see the blood stain pictures from inside the cop SUV. It would have to be speckles and itty bitty droplets and I’m betting we’ll see smudges.

  23. a2nite says:

    You mean like showing that tape of what happened in the convenience store concurrently with disclosing the murderer’s name.

    Like all of the disinformation that they have been putting out about the nature of protests.

    Like all of the smearing of the dead victim


    He won’t be charged because that is how the racist white supremacist criminal injustice system works.

    • LLMPapa says:

      Speaking of that tape, kinda odd how that lil storekeeper dude didn’t seem to be “in fear for HIS life” like this trained officer of the law is claiming HE was with an unarmed kid.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Just be armed and say you’re in fear for your life is all it takes in some states. Hopefully this grand jury is smarter than that.

        I don’t see how refusing to file an immediate incident report in order to create a storyline to get your azz out of trouble isn’t a violation of civil rights.

        This shizazz is right out of the rabbit hole.

  24. LLMPapa says:

    Wonder whatever happened to the tox report that was gonna show how high on drugs Mike Brown must have been?

    It’s starting to look like this cop’s storyline is that a stone cold sober 18 yo kid walked up to a cop car’s open window….reached in and beat the crap out of the cop inside….tried to get his gun….bled all over the cop, his gun, and the cop’s car….took off running away….stopped, turned around, and came charging back toward a pissed off cop who was emptying his gun at him.

    Is that about the gist of it?

    • PhillyBoyRoy says:

      What if you got pulled over and as the cop was coming toward, you grabbed and pulled him/her in your car, shot him/her, then as they ran away in fear you thought to yourself “oh shit id better ‘destroy the evidence'” so you executed them?

      Wonder if you’d get indicted.

      • racerrodig says:

        “……..in fear you thought to yourself “oh shit id better ‘destroy the evidence’” so you executed them?”

        Like Fogen you mean ??????

  25. LLMPapa says:

    Michael Brown’s blood found on officer’s gun, uniform and interior panel of driver’s door.

    I think it is a good example of selective leaking motivated by a desire to portray Mike Brown as the aggressor

    And the dude doing all the blood leaking is intended to be portrayed as the AGGRESSOR?

    • Bill Taylor says:

      exactly, the person that got shot as he was trying to pull free and run AWAY, is called the aggressor and the armed person that started BOTH contacts, first with cursing, then with ILLEGAL grabbing at Brown is the “victim”……..

    • Heh! I never said the right-wing-message-machine consists of people smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.

      Nope, they specialize in calling up, down and down, up.

      So, according to the way these turkeys think, the blood evidence and Wilson’s claimed but unsupported swelling and scratches to his neck prove that Mike Brown attacked him and tried to take his gun away.

      Critical thinking skills are nowhere evident.

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