Monday Evening Open Discussion

Monday, July 21, 2014

Good evening:

Welcome to the Monday Evening Open Discussion where off topic is on topic.

Jury selection started today in the Renisha McBride porch-shooting case with the judge conducting voir dire, instead of the attorneys.

Terrible idea.

No live television or live-stream coverage.

Terrible idea.

Jury selection resumes tomorrow at 9 am EDT.

The twitter feed is #TheodoreWafer

The burglaries, death threats and hacker attacks of last week appear to have stopped since Crane contacted the FBI. Unfortunately, Crane’s computer took a hit and had to go to the hospital.

We should sell tee shirts that say, Start a Blog Get Murdered

What’s on your mind?

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25 Responses to Monday Evening Open Discussion

  1. Crane-Station here. Hello, everyone!

  2. groans says:

    We should sell tee shirts that say, Start a Blog Get Murdered

    That would be funny if it weren’t so real. It’s insane that this is actually what life in the US-of-A has deteriorated into. We are SO headed down a spiral of self-destruction … and roughly half of our so-called “leaders” are promoting it!

    Xena is having tons of trouble, too. I hope you’re consulting with each other.

    I don’t know how you stay strong, but I hope you can continue to do so and keep up the Good Fight.

  3. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Mr. Eric Garner “THE GENTLE GIANT.”

  4. Well they have just suspended the EMT Workers without pay. Why are the officers who committed this crime still working desk duty with pay? The NYPD is attempting to shift the blame on the EMT workers. If you listen to the video closely, the EMT Workers knew he was dead. The officers were clearly putting on a show for the camera. I know a liar when I see one, “He’s breathing!” The EMT Worker locked eyes with the officer as if no he is not breathing.

    This case is strategically being position on the backs of the EMT. Yes, they were accomplices to this crime but the officer is the individual who should be incarcerated; for creating a volatile situation killing and innocent man.

    Those criminal officers who committed murder should not receive any form of paycheck until the investigation has concluded. The officer who choked Mr. Garner was sued by three individuals for false arrest, and settle their cases with the city. This is outrageous.

    • MKX says:

      The officers did absolutely nothing to help that poor man. They just left him laying there like a dead animal. The EMT arrived to a dead body.

      So I am having a hard time seeing how the EMT is at fault for anything.

      How can the officers be expert on anything involving the death when they were clearly too stupid or too uncaring to even attempt CPR or move an obese persons body to a position more likely to prevent suffocation.

      Once a person dies, the EMT can not become Jesus Christ and raise Lazerus from the dead.

      I try very hard not to become vengeful but, IMO, the next time there is a cry “officer down” in NYC, it might be good to just walk on by and get a cup of coffee. Because that is the kind of empathy they show to those they swore to protect and serve.

  5. a2nite says:

    I’m so sorry for your problems. I’m thinking good thoughts for you & Crane.

  6. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Here is a petition link.

  7. These comments made by police concerning Eric Garner are extremely disturbing. These types of mental cases do not need to be law enforcement officers.

    – In internet communities for law enforcement, like, “the One resource for Law Enforcement online,” and Thee Rant, an NYPD message board, the Garner story has stirred up racial, political, and professional tensions, most of them quite ugly.-

    • Malisha says:

      Wow. A whole gang of Fogenites. Gag Gag Gag.

      • MKX says:

        The last comment about savages tells me all I need to know about them.

        There is going to be some sort of riot in NYC.

        A complete lack of empathy for another human being in the video and the comments.

        And their choke holding hero has that dough boy build just like Fogen. So I really take exception to their cruel remarks about the size of the deceased. IMO, not one of those cops in that video looks like he could keep up with me for one minute, and I’m well past 50 years old.

    • bettykath says:

      Those in blue are there to control, not serve. It’s so obvious in their comments that they have no respect for the people they are supposed to serve.

      Eric may have been talked down and convinced to cooperate if the cops weren’t gung ho.

    • lady2soothe says:

      7-22-14… Four emergency response workers have been suspended without pay after witnesses reported they did not administer CPR or oxygen after responding to the scene. An internal NYPD report obtained by the New York Daily News that was prepared soon after the death of Eric Garner — the Staten Island man who died of an apparent chokehold while under arrest last week — states he never appeared to be in “great distress” and fails to mention the chokehold at all. One officer, Sgt. Kizzy Adonis, said Garner’s condition “did not seem serious and that he did not appear to get worse.”

      • MKX says:

        Do these guys think we are all stupid?

        A guy who is dead or dying will not be crying out in pain. No, you lying moron cops, he indicated “great distress” when he, in an obviously impaired breathing state, gasped “I am choking”.

        And cops must see dead people in their line of work.

        So the liars ought to know why the EMT did not administer CPR or 02 – HE WAS DEAD AND YOU GUYS KILLED HIM!!!!

        What next?

        Will they trot out Gates and his theory about how “the blacks” don’t have normal arteries?

        I loath and do not respect liars.

        I would be less upset, if they just admitted they felt he “deserved” to be choked because he was “belligerent” and they really didn’t care if he lived or died.

        And they are the first to cry like babies and beg for empathy when one of theirs is killed.

        Guess what?

        There a jobs or states of existence with far higher death rates per 100,000 than being a cop.

        Some examples:



        Being a black male

        • lady2soothe says:

          Sgt. Kizzy Adonis, said Garner’s condition “did not seem serious and that he did not appear to get worse.” I’m not sure how much worse *DEAD* can get…

          Throw the book at these cops and EMT’s, they deserve to be tried and convicted of murder.

          • EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

            The U.S. courts have ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen’s right, but his duty! In fact, courts have gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen’s attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

            Here’s a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

            “When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

            “These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

            “An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

            Additional information from the courts:

            “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

            Do individuals have the right to come to the aid of another citizen being falsely arrested? You bet they do. As another court case ruled:

            “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

            And on the issue of actually killing an arresting officer in self defense:

            “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.



      • Good! They deserved to be suspended.

  8. MichelleO says:

    Haven’t been here in awhile. Sorry about the trouble you and Crane have to go through regarding death threats. Is it all related to this blog? If so, are these the people who were so angry about you reporting on Fogan?

    • No, it’s related to her case, my whistleblowing, our blog and our coverage of the Zimmerman and Dunn trials.

      We have many obsessed haters who are determined to harass us into silence. They have broken into our home, stolen stuff and vandalized many of our possessions, including family memorabilia. Some of them have threatened to kill us.

      We can’t go to local cops because we believe they may be involved.

  9. Malisha says:

    A judge choosing a jury defeats the purpose of the jury. A jury is a fact-finder and should be independent of the judge. Jury instructions should be the limit of the court’s power over a jury. NO Cherry-Picking!

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