Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Good morning:
George Zimmerman can be served with divorce papers by publication.
Florida Statutes 49.021: Service of process by publication, upon whom.—Where personal service of process or, if appropriate, service of process under s. 48.194 cannot be had, service of process by publication may be had upon any party, natural or corporate, known or unknown, including:
(1) Any known or unknown natural person, and, when described as such, the unknown spouse, heirs, devisees, grantees, creditors, or other parties claiming by, through, under, or against any known or unknown person who is known to be dead or is not known to be either dead or alive.
When a lawyer representing a party to a lawsuit, or a party representing himself without a lawyer, cannot serve a summons and the complaint or petition on the opposing party because he cannot locate the opposing party, the law permits service to be accomplished by publishing a copy of the summons and the complaint in the local newspaper every day for 90 successive days.
Publication in the Orlando Sentinel would suffice.
At the end of the 90 days, the lawyer must file an affidavit of service by publication attaching the summons and complaint or petition and describing the efforts undertaken to find the opposing party.
Service by publication will not be deemed effective, unless all reasonable efforts to locate the opposing party were attempted without success.
In the typical case, the party attempting to obtain service on the non-responding party, goes to court to obtain an order of default after the time period within which to respond to the complaint or petition expires, which is usually 20 days and starts running after the 90 day period for service by publication.
The purpose for requiring all reasonable efforts to serve the opposing party in person before resorting to service by publication is to prevent a party from obtaining a default judgment against another party without actual notice to them.
Someone in the comments mentioned the possibility that Shellie’s lawyer, Kelly Sims, might be able to serve Mark O’Mara with the divorce papers, however, the attorney typically has to agree to accept service for the client and I doubt he would agree to do that since he announced that he will not represent him on the divorce and may not know where he is living or even be in contact with him.
My impression is GZ has refused to assist O’Mara to recoup his costs in the criminal case and O’Mara no longer wants to have anything to do with him with the single exception of the pending NBC lawsuit that probably is not worth anything, given the acquittal.
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At GZ trail people that gave testimony how meek and mild manner
he and how well they knew him one say he could be my son.
GZ was the sheep and TM was the big bad wolf.
The city has already paid Brown’s family $550,000 in exchange for their agreement not to further pursue civil litigation.
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Just as the home owners association at the retreat paid Trayvons Parents an undisclosed amount of money..
Floridas sends the message to AA victims of random murders by white LE or even eejits whom think there LE In there delusional minds.
Hey we will give you money for your loved ones murder just don’t expect those responable to face criminal justice.
Yeah. We’ll give you a little bit of somebody else’s money if you shut up now. Just don’t do anything violent.
Remember his wife said she never saw him mad or in an
argument ………………..
Whose wife never saw him mad or in an argument?
ShelLIE testified under oath she never saw GZ angry.
From transcript of testimony from bond hearing.
DE LA RIONDA: And I gather my follow-up question regarding that is have you ever seen him angry or do you think he has — let me ask first thing. Have you ever seen him angry?
S. ZIMMERMAN: No, I haven’t.
DE LA RIONDA: You don’t think he has anger management problems?
S. ZIMMERMAN: No, I do not.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.01.html
Well, fortunately she doesn’t need grounds to divorce him in Florida. She just has to say that she no longer wishes to be married to the man.
lurker I just posted this link in response to question posed by Malisha.
I remembered her testimony at bond hearing where she did lie about the money and apparently she lied about not seeing him angry because she told interviewer she did indeed see GZ angry prior to his murdering Trayvon.
To me SZ plus the Zimmerman Klan are lying cons who knew what GZ was capable of and they protected him from 2nd degree murder imprisonment with their lies (with help from the prosecution).
Oh if she wants to change her story now and say that he raged at her constantly and terrorized her and blah blah blah she’ll just say that she was so intimidated by him at the time that she said that because she had been “brainwashed” to say whatever he wanted. If you think the world of criminal law is full of fraud and lies and court-encouraged dishonesty, you ain’t seen nothin’ till you see domestic relations law.
That was the initial route I was taking when I was suddenly abandoned by my (now ex) husband and the first thought I had upon hearing the news about Zimmerman. Thank you for sharing this option.
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC
Florida Cop Kills Man By Running Him Over With His Car, Will Not Be Charged
In a local version of Dancing with the Stars, Mark O’Mara [ya know, George Zimmerman’s (ex) lawyer] will put on his dancing shoes and play a role we have definitely never seen him in before.
Photos: http://globalgrind.com/2013/09/13/mark-omara-orlandos-dancing-with-the-stars-promo-pics-photos/
That’s really funny hope he loses.
He’s such a slime but it’s for a good cause and even though I’m sure he’s doing it for his own benefit I rather hope he wins.
Hr never thinks anything out. He does what evere he wants because he thinks he can. Why? because people are always willing to lie to get him out of trouble.That’s why he never takes responcibillty for anything he does,neither he or his brother. It’s always someone else’s fault.
I think Fogen is one of those people who perpetually carries on about who’s trying to do him harm. He’s full of stories about people being after him, trying to kill him, blah blah blah. He thinks a kid walking home from the store is “real suspicious” and within a half hour he catapults himself into a totally faked-up horror story murder complete with “homie” and “exploding heads.” He’s afraid of the boogieman big-time and he is his own worst enemy. NOW he’s probably in hiding because he has found that the only place he really fits in is — is — is — hiding. And now, there’s noplace he really belongs — except in prison — and maybe by Jeralyn’s side as she blazes her trails through a new fantasy world of “the left.” More like “the left-behind” or “his left behind.”
Hey Fogen, Shrimping much recently?
Hi Malisha, what’s going on in “Talk Left” world? regarding all of the recent developments with GZ and Co? I can imagine that Jeralyn is putting her hands over her ears and shouting “la,la,la…I can’t hera you” while Armando is laughing his a$$ off saying “I told you so!”.
These days, as fewer people buy actual paper newspapers, is it acceptable to publish the documents online and if so, where?
Searching for an answer I found this site which summarises the requirements of a ‘diligent search’.
http://www.3stepdivorce.com/missingspouse/florida.shtml
The requirements are onerous, including contacting all known family members of the missing spouse. Are you reading this Robert Jr?
Once more, not a well thought out course of action by George.
You’re right. It isn’t well thought out.
He cannot evade service. He can only harm himself in the eyes of others by pursuing this annoying and petulant little game of Where’s Waldo.
Professor says: “He cannot evade service. He can only harm himself in the eyes of others by pursuing this annoying and petulant little game of Where’s Waldo.”
I don’t get why GZ would want to evade being served. He left ShelLIE according to her interview, only staying in the home 4-5 days after the trial was over. I would like to know what lengths ShelLIE’s attorney went to in order to serve him before going public. There is something about Kelly Sims that makes me think he is a publicity seeker (after his batman interview) and trying to get fame through the Zimmerman name. Who is paying him for his service as ShelLIE’s attorney?
Sorry, I just read your post about guessing ShelLIE’s father paying her defense and divorce bills after I posted the above question about who pays Kelly Sims.
I imagine he wants to do the rejecting rather than be rejected.
I agree, he thinks he’s the one in control. He thinks she should sit at home and be the good wifey, while he takes himself a little vacation screwing around on her. He thinks he the man, everbody wants him, and makes her feal like nobody wants her, tearing down her self esteem. I’m sure he’s pissed, because she didn’t ask his permission before she filed.
Just because the murdering dufus took off on a road trip after his acquital doesn’t mean he “left” SheLie in a sense of declaring the beginning of ending their marriage. She never said he “left” her in that sense.
As for being a publicity seeker, Kelly Sims for the most part stayed out of the spotlight except for perjury case hearings for more than a year
TO says: “Just because the murdering dufus took off on a road trip after his acquital doesn’t mean he “left” SheLie in a sense of declaring the beginning of ending their marriage. She never said he “left” her in that sense.”
I have no idea what could have been ShelLIE’s tipping point after she after she plotted and planned to hide money from the court and brazen enough to lie about it under oath and then stood by her murdering man by showing up in court every day, not to mention trying to get Tracy Martin thrown out of the courtroom.
I don’t really care to argue about ShelLIE’s motivation. She just happened to mention his absence from the home in an interview so I thought it might be this fact that gave ShelLIE the message GZ did not want to be with her any more which led to the divorce filing.
On the jailhouse tapes Shelley said to fogen After this is over you will have a good life and he replied no WE will have a good life to which she did not reply.
I am beginning to believe that when she left the night before the murder she had no intention of ever going back.I think his family intimidated her to be at the trial and when she committed perjury wasn’t she with his family.
I really think if she tells all her life could be in danger,as fogen’s family seem very dangerous and have some kind of influence.Maybe she could be in danger now.
“I am beginning to believe that when she left the night before the murder she had no intention of ever going back.I think his family intimidated her to be at the trial and when she committed perjury wasn’t she with his family.”
Nothing would have helped ShelLIE more than to have told the truth about GZ when questioned under oath and helped to put GZ in prison. I doubt very much the family would have that much power over her to cause her to lie. She isn’t a victim. She is a participant in the lies that helped acquit GZ. If her family is supporting her now, they would have supported her previously if she would have told the truth.
ShelLIE is incapable of telling the truth, caught in a tangle of her own lies.
I don’t think he’s avoiding service as much as avoiding Shellie. He’s on his own now that O’Mara has cut him loose (well, he and the 300# bodyguard) and I don’t think that thinking things through is his forte. He has figured out that his typical behavior vis a vis Shellie ain’t gonna fly no more–and is likely to draw the po-po, followed by the media. So–he just ain’t gonna tell her where he is.
And his family will play along out of the importance of maintaining the illusion that the whole world wants to kill George–because of NBC. Danger! Danger! Will Robinson.
lurker says: “….. I don’t think he’s avoiding service as much as avoiding Shellie…; And his family will play along out of the importance of maintaining the illusion that the whole world wants to kill George……”
I agree lurker.
GZ has allegedly (per ShelLIE) been avoiding her since he was acquitted.
The family will go along with it because of their arrogance and pride. I think in reality they would like to kill George for the disgrace he has brought on them, especially mother Z.
“Once more, not a well thought out course of action by George.”
I wonder where ShelLIE’s attorney actually looked for GZ to serve him. I mean maybe he isn’t actually hiding but just no longer at ShelLIE’s father’s home.
Well then where else would he be? You think he should serve him at work? ppffffttttt
I don’t know where else GZ would be but certainly not her father’s house because ShelLIE herself said he only spent 4-5 days there after he was acquitted which is why I believe she felt the need to divorce him.
You couldn’t serve ShelLIE or GZ at work. (I do wonder how ShelLIE supports herself financially and what she does 24 hours a day with nothing to do.)
I am thinking GZ is still getting support from people who think he is a hero for killing a black kid. Wonder how he spends his days. Gun practice?
Not giving Shellie, or Sims, his address is just a control move. He’s a rabid control freak.
Remember how he chain locked his “special” chair to the desk to keep others from sitting in it?
Rachael: “Well then where else would he be?”
I’d start searching the 24-hour, all you can eat buffets within a 30 mile radius.
Great idea!
Is part of Shellie’s probation to tell the truth in court for a while?
In FL do you need to list your last 2 years’ addresses to get a divorce?
Wouldn’t that be interesting?
Good point!
He could be holed up with his new love until he decides to run .After a while, Fogen won’t have any bridges left to burn.
I don’t know if it is a new woman in his life .
Its been said that its his former fiancé the one who he had duelling restraining order battle with.
Im not sure one thing for certain theres no love involved at least not on foggages side.
Way to treat a date hey you fancy comeing over to a confrontation with my ex shellie an watch whilst I do my ape shit routine.
Im packing a loaded pistol by the way Its not that Im happy to see you.
LOL!
Unfortunately, there are even women who would go for that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got hisself a delusional self-righteous racist woman who was just thrilled to be part of the theatrical new Mrs. Internationalasshole reality show. And I keep thinking Jeralyn’s dialing his number … 555, to me to me.
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With the media reporting editorially on Fogen’s MIA status for being served, combined with the required 90 days of legal ads, that’s another card in Kelly Sims’ hand.
When (and if) Fogen lines up another lawyer to handle his divorce, it can’t be claimed that Fogen didn’t know he was wanted or that the lawyer didn’t know. … The whole world knows.
With or without a lawyer by his side, Fogen eventually will find himself formally separted and legally divorced no matter what.
By playing it like the chicken pooper that he is, Fogen may find terms of the divorce far less in his favor. Maybe he’ll get stuck with what normally would be SheLie’s share of their debt.
Another happy thought for the day.
formally separated
Normally, marital debt is a joint and several obligation. This means the creditor can go after the full amount of the debt from either of the former spouses.
Who’s going to take him as a client knowing they won’t get paid.
No one will. He will have to represent himself or settle for a default judgment stitching him up by Kelly Sims.
“He will have to represent himself or settle for a default judgment stitching him up by Kelly Sims.”
Being that ShelLIE has not had a job for years, obviously with no income and her parents appear to not be financially doing well with homes in and out of foreclosure, who is paying her bills, legal and otherwise?
My guess is probably her father.
I thought ShelLIE’s parents were in trouble financially with foreclosures. Wonder what he is charging for the perjury and the divorce.
Attorneys can be very expensive and when you pay them instead of mortgage, well – the bank doesn’t care.
Just because SheLie’s parents have property hanging on a thread between them and the bank with foreclosure on the horizon, doesn’t mean her parents are totally insolvent or possibly anywhere near so.
Lots of people now underwater with property they bought on spec are letting the parcels go to foreclosure because it makes busines sense (as in not throwing good money after bad), not because they are personally on the bring of bankrutpcy.
brink
O/T: The Washington Post just reported,
On Letterman last night, Bill Clinton said this tragedy was especially personal to him … just six weeks ago he had been photographed with one of the now deceased victims.
The foggage one is delusinal this we know .So given his delusions of grandeur an importance as a cause celibre .
You would think its in his best intrests ti facilitate the divorce with Shellie as soon as possible.If they have no assets at this point an its uncontested he could be freee an single an ready to mingle rapido.
Instead by avoiding the papers an drawing out the process any moneys he could earn would be liable assets to be claimed by his Wife.
If he stops being an ass he could be out of the marriage with no financial liability as theres no children involved .
He prefers to kill Children than produce them.
Then he would be able to cash in on his deluded fame an anything he earns would be his.
Never going to happen though either the quickie divorce or the fame an fortune he envisions in his delusions.
yes , delusional except that joker has an amazing ability to avoid jail time for violent acts, and make money for doing it.
A criminal mastermind
Colin, it is impossible for Fogan to have delusions of grandeur.
He has delusions of adequacy.
Malisha says He has delusions of adequacy.LOL.
I was wondering can’t they find out where he is by his bank withdrawals.I work in a bank we could if necessary find where a transaction was done.
The defense fund web site is still up. I don’t know what to make of that, has to be intentional. It says MOM has control
Good luck with that he got stiffed by his client so is trying to recoup his losses.
Doesn’t he realise his new gig as a talking head an his raised profile is his reward for representing an freeing a Child MURDERER an still a walking danger .
Talk about wanting his cake an eating it now he wants extra iceing as well
Greedy Bastard springs to mind.
Regardless, I do not believe Kelli Sims can assume he has effectively served GZ by serving MOM, unless MOM agrees to accept service on GZ’s behalf.
Sims would not be complaining, if MOM had agreed to do that.
The website remains up and running because GZ owes approximately $200 K in costs and the State hasn’t indicated how much of that it’s going to pay.
That’s exactly what MOM gets. I find him to be a particularly nasty, person. Towards the end of the press conference after the verdict he made a thinly veiled threat against Trayvon’s parents to further slander their child’s name if they went after George in civil court. I could not believe the his gall.
I wish these stupid evil people would crawl under a rock and disappear.
If they did we would have nowt to bitch about.
lol
He is sueing them for editing a tape to make him sound raceist.
He himself used an edited tape to prove his point he edited out the fucking khoons underbreath whisper.
So he edited a tape removeing a raceial slur to prove provenance that the media edited a tape to make him appear raceist?
You couldn’t make this stupid eejits behaveiour up.
That part where he “forgets to use the “…fucking coons” line is a real hoot. They use his words and his only and the broadcast says these are “excerpts” from his call.
He says here’s my call……but just happens to edit out the most damning part.
What a jackass. You are spot on about making this up. Do any of them actually think nobody will contest anything ???
What a nasty bad joke all the players are in this Zimmerman divorce. Idiots, including but not limited to GZ and ShelLIE.
Professor — Unless I’m misinterpreting, your comment casts a glorious light on the NBC lawsuit. You are suggesting, it seems, that given the not guilty verdict, Fogen’s chances of prevailing with his suit against NBC (claiming he’d been wrongfully maligned or harmed by the broadcast) are notably reduced, compared to however slim the odds were prior to the criminal trial or if the murdering pig had been convicted.
You have made my day on that happy point alone!
Yes, you are not misinterpreting what I said.
What are his damages, since he was not convicted?
I suppose he could claim that he would not have been charged but for the conduct of NBC’s employees attempting to misrepresent him as a racist.
I don’t see that argument going anywhere since he’s the one who said “fucking coons,” and Judge Lester ruled there was probable cause to support the charge.
Lawsuit looks frivolous to me, but it’s pending before Judge Nelson.
Maybe find Jeralyn and you’ll find Fogen!
His own words were used and the broadcast says “…here are excerpts from that call…” That alone would get this tossed in NJ. And as the esteemed Professor said, he was acquitted. From what I gather Fogen may likely be responsible for NBC’s legal fee’s being he jumped the gun and this is a frivolous lawsuit.
Not 1 person I’ve ever talked to about this has said they got a different impression about Fogen from the NBC broadcast.
He can’t claim any legal fees as damages since he was arrested for murder and not based on any news broadcast.
He’s taking the position as does the whole klan, “I don’t like what you say about me, so here’s a lawsuit” when in fact this is a case of “I just wish they’d let me do anything i want, to anybody I want, anytime I want……and don’t bother me with details like “Murder Charges” and such. These arrests are just such a hassle. Then I have to let my hair grow in, then shave it for that skin head look again.”
“I just wish they’d let me do anything I want, to anybody I want, anytime I want…”
They do. That’s the point. That’s how we got to the place we are in, in the world, and the great “respect” the civilized world has for us and our brand of freedom and justice.
I suppose this would show up in the Orlando Sentinel then?
It probably already is.
Ironically, the public gets to read the petition, which may not be in GZ’s best interests.
Kelly Sims has to be careful here because he already is GZ’s most likely target.
Do not be surprised if GZ ambushes and shoots him to death.
lol!
Even Clint Eastwood’s baddest guy characters, can’t get Batman in his Batmobile 😉
Here’s the OS classifieds links for public notices. The ‘legal’ section seems to contain civic notices, the section for ‘Notice of Administration etc’ link does not work. And for ‘advertiser’s listings, no ‘S’ or ‘Z’ entries (Sims, Zimmerman).
http://floridalegals.net/orlando-sentinel-fl
Maybe it’s put under something else, not ‘FloridaLegal’.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/classified/?track=orl-nav-main-classified
For instance, under “LOST” in the ‘Lost and Found’ section????
😉
http://floridalegals.net/orlando-sentinel-fl/browse/notice-of-administration-probate-notices-to-cred
(maybe this server file has gone walkabout too.)
Out and about on the walkabout
Hell. To The Hell. No.
*nervous laugh*
Probably best if Attorney Sims doesn’t buy any Skittles for a while.
Been wondering how you’re doing.
Haven’t seen your fonts for awhile.
I see you haven’t lost your sense of humor.
Good to see you.
Papa, Do you have any information about the Florida League of Cities(a branch of the Southern Municipal Conference? I found a link that evidently had Gladys and Robert’s picture on it-but I discovered that it had been removed.
I would not put anything past George Zimmerman! I watched the manner in which he stabbed that knife into Shelly’s Ipad and then discarded and I knew that boy was psychotic.
Yep, I think he is a murdering psychopath and I think he is going to kill again soon.
The only thing Georgie wants to be served is breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Hiding like the cockroach he is.
Glad you reminded us of the publication option, Professor. I’m certainly no fan of Shellie’s but in this case, I’m rooting for her.