Featuring Malisha identifying who the good guys are

Monday, July 29, 2013

Good morning to all of our friends:

Crane has a post up about a pregnancy disaster in jail and I have a post about the Supremacy Clause trumping the Nullification Doctrine, which is quite popular with state’s-rights and 10th Amendment enthusiasts. This is the same crowd racist crowd that has supported and continues to support George Zimmerman. They want to re-fight the civil war to reestablish white supremacy and segregation and legitimize slavery through imprisonment and debt.

I think this group is far more dangerous to our collective peace and security than Muslim terrorists.

I am featuring Malisha’s comment this morning because I think she nailed why so many powerful and influential people decided to demonize a child and rig the outcome for George Zimmerman

I think we actually DO know the truth, but up until this very morning I had not put it into a sentence. The sentence it came to me through was Serino’s sentence when he began to gently — ever so minutely and shyly, like a little girl wondering, with her thumb in her mouth, if she could ask the regal old woman for a cookie — question Fogen’s story. Serino said, mid-sentence, after saying that Trayvon Martin was not doing anything wrong, “You’re still the good guy here.”

Those (and now, the individuals included in “those” is legion) who worked hard to exonerate Fogen after he murdered Trayvon Martin were essentially saying:

Fogen has to still be the good guy here.
No matter WHAT he did,
No matter WHAT WHOPPERS he told,
No matter how innocent and undeserving Trayvon was;
No matter what the facts show,
No matter what the forensics reveal,
No matter what the law says,
No matter what his intentions were,
No matter how many wrongs he committed,
No matter what the morality issues are,
No matter what (including but not limited to ANYTHING)

George Zimmerman has got to stay THE GOOD GUY here.

… why? …

Because if he is NOT,

A white guy went out hunting and chased down an anonymous Black kid he picked and targeted like game in a forest,
and he chased him
and he scared him
and he killed him
and there is no excuse.
And he did it because he knew he could get away with it.
And he DID get away with it.

If a theorem is true, the contrapositive is true.

If a white guy is a good guy,
then he is right to target and kill a Black and blame the Black.

If he is NOT right
(to target and kill a Black and blame the Black)
then he is not a good guy.

Since this case started with everyone in power saying:


Then he had to be NOT GUILTY of any crime
because it HAD to be that what he did was right.

OtherWISE, all the wrongs the white South has committed
would make them NOT the good guys any more.

And Rick Scott would not put up with that.
State’s Rights.

Serino gave us the verdict in the very beginning:


Let us know your thoughts on this matter and if you believe Michael Dunn’s prosecution and trial will be rigged in his favor for the same reason.

375 Responses to Featuring Malisha identifying who the good guys are

  1. sighhhhh says:

    Cornell West “Cornel West: Obama’s Response to Trayvon Martin Case Belies Failure to Challenge “New Jim Crow””

    on Democracy Now!


    • texad says:

      The Dream Defenders on Livestream now giving personal testimonies re: profiling and inequity in schools. Heartfelt and real.


    • ladystclaire says:

      I kind of thought that, when Obama made held that presser following that not guilty verdict, that he was telling us in a round and about way, that Fogen would not be facing any federal charges. if this is true, then the federal government will be just as wrong as the state of Florida in failing this child.

      They don’t have to look to hard to find out if this murdering bastard is a racist and, if he committed a hate crime, when he murdered a 17 year old child. his words on his NEN call says it all to me. how much racist hatred does him saying the words, “fucking coons” as he chased that child through that complex, is plenty enough for me to say, his motive was racist and, not to mention his opening script when he calls NEN on what he calls, suspicious blacks walking in his neighborhood and, not to mention the number of calls about only one race of males who are always suspicious in his mind.

      What the hell else does the feds need in order to charge him with this kid’s murder? just like Matthew Sheppard and, James Byrd before him, Trayvon deserves his justice too and, even though the state of Texas dealt with those who murdered James Byrd, but the DOJ stepped in on behalf of Matthew Sheppard and he too got his justice. since the state of Florida and, those whose job it was to speak for Trayvon Martin and, make sure he got his justice, THEY FAILED THIS KID MISERABLY BECAUSE, THEY NEVER INTENDED TO GET A CONVICTION AGAINST FOGEN.

      It’s such a shame that the prosecution failed this child, “ON PURPOSE!” AA are not the only ones who should be outraged about what Angela Corey, JN, BDLR and RICK SCOTT ALONG WITH PAM BONDI, these people showed such disregard for this kid’s life. I know there are also some whites and other races who have supported Trayvon but, we need a lot more on board because, this thing got away with murder and, the above named persons, were more than happy to oblige him.

      • I kind of thought that, when Obama made held that presser following that not guilty verdict, that he was telling us in a round and about way, that Fogen would not be facing any federal charges. if this is true, then the federal government will be just as wrong as the state of Florida in failing this child.

        I had the same impression.

  2. J4TMinATL says:

    The first action should be ERPA. Focusing on gun laws right now diverts issue at hand. I fear it takes pressure off of underlying issues and derails progress.


    The 18:1 law. War on drugs is a way to “regulate addictive substances because they cause societal problems.” If only that were true…. Blaming drugs for societal problems is just a way for the “ruling class..whites” to not deal with real problems of a capitalist society…poverty and unemployment.

    *Opium Act directed at Chinese.
    * Harrison Tax Act.
    * California Poison Act.
    *United States Narcotics Bureau.
    *Cocaine (crack) directed at Blacks.
    *Marijuana directed at Hispanics and Blacks.
    *Nixon’s Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).

    I call this racism, “The State Against Black People.”

    Obama needs to pass ERPA, now. It needs to go before the House and get passed. Change starts with ERPA

  3. concernedczen says:

    If Dunn is convicted, it won’t be of 1st degree murder.

  4. colin black says:

    pat deadder says:

    July 30, 2013 at 5:24 am

    Mojo The truth stays buried forever.None of these people have any guts or they wouldn’t have gone along in the first place.Look what’s happening in New York the police have daily quotas to charge people with something.Guess who gets targeted.
    I think the fix came when Cryboss testified.We all think bad things about him but I wonder what he really knows.

    Theres no truth to be found when the victors re write history they redefine the past to there wants an needs.

    Like the George Orwellian newspeak from 1984 what was isn’t and what is is subject to addendums at any time

    Unfourtunately theres no room 1 0 1 where all the rewritten an disappeared stuff is stored.

    When thease people do a rewrite in essence the truth evaporates into thin air.

    J F K Probably the most courupt President of modern times both he an his brothers products of a ghastly man.

    In essence the biggest gangster America has ever produced .

    Bought his son into the White House were just his womaniseing an Drinking makes Prex Clinton look like a choirboy./
    He took America into Veitnam an Damm near blrw the world up with the Cuban Missile crisis.

    An yet a bullet in the head turned him into a Saint an an entire Country bought the rewrite .

    An entire Country neigh the entire planet bought the newspeak.

    So don’t be supprised when Law enforcement department do so or corperations heck it even happens in play ground .

    Its not what ocoured that gets the story out.
    Its whom has the loudes voice the most friend to dissperce your version of events /history to.

    We now have the tools to ceace an dissist thease bastards Im using it to blog at the moment.


    Don’t give it to them as you will lose.

    Social Media the power to instantly vt an event upload the film

    An post it on the net utupe twitter facebook whatever

    Can stop theas khuntz in there tracks.


    Arab Spring has turned into a bit of an early winter but It showed us what is possible with the power we have at our finger tips.

    Imagine if the internet was available in China dureing Thimernanan Square?

    An remember Tunisia is were the Arab spring started.

    An thease middle eastern dictor ships had heavly cencored press.

    An contolled acces to the web not parental guidance but government .

    An thease fukhas in power in the west realise the threat of the web.

    So aer attepting to backtrack furiously now to gain some sort of advantage.

    But not internet 2 or whatever they try can put the genie back in the bottle.

    There no need for violence or even million men marches with the power we now have.

    What thease flash mobs do bursting out into song an dance .

    Can be adapted on a nation wide scale

    I could bring down any government in the worls with a flash mob organised on the internet.

    People in health care nurses docters the patients.

    Office workers Bank tellers there customers.

    Everyone Kids at schoo;; There Teachers

    Mass flash mob cordinated to start Playing CHERS

    I Believe In Love after Love.

    Full volume and or belting out the lyrics wereever they are what ever there doing an they cant send in the troops or police as they to are in the flash mob.

    That’s it game over man .

    Give them what they want we are evacuating the White House an heading for Cuba to set up home with Feidels Corpse not much of a conversationalist but at least they aint got the dammed Internet over there.

    See no violence exceptin on the ears is required


    • pat deadder says:

      God Colin you are amazing.

    • pat deadder says:

      Colin I like that you have the courage to say what you think.

    • Malisha says:

      I have a friend who is an independent journalist, Arab-American (citizen) from Yemen. He told me that in all the Arab Spring rebellions, there was a “numbers game.” He said, “You have to have a certain number dead before you can get something going; in Arab countries, life is cheap, you can get all the dead you want. When you have some actions, people hit the street, they are killed, wave after wave of bodies, then when the body count is high enough you have some attention from the international community, there are meetings, there is pressure, there is money, money is news, there is talk, you have to keep the bodies piling up of course to keep the actions going, but that’s the way it’s done. It’s about bodies and money.”

      Bodies of the poor.
      Money of the rich.
      That’s how it’s played out.

      That is what SYG will buy us.
      Corporations will have security guards — armed.
      They will stand the corporations’ ground.
      Forget about it.
      I’m laughing already.
      Wanna march with a sign?
      Go ahead. No prob.
      Guns are money and money stands its ground.

  5. Woow! says:

    NAACP Releases ‘Trayvon’s Law’ Principles for State Legislative Advocacy


  6. Woow! says:

    When the tables are turned you get a different reaction. Read some of the comments.

    America need lots of healing and soul searching.


    • Yorazigo says:

      Another cold-blooded murder. NO stick, pipe or other type of instrument was found with Adkins and NO damage to Jude’s car or him. My heart goes out to these parents, as to Sybrina and Tracy.

      I just cannot wrap my head around the thinking of people who would support this SYG mentality.

      • Woow! says:

        SYG is a horrible law. We will not see a change until whites are directly affected by it. As long as black or Hispanics are being killed it will remain but as soon as whites start to die as a result then and only then will they change that law.

        Have you noticed that in most states where SYG was enacted it was by the law being tacked onto another bill?

        • Boyd says:

          They have SYG cases of whites shooting whites. Don’t get in a dispute with anyone down there and stay out of the unruly bars.

          I’m waiting for the day women start using it. “This guy was bothering me in the bar trying to hit on me, and I was in fear of my life”.

    • Boyd says:

      yea, I see the reactions. Wondering why he did not roll up the windows.

      People are abusing this law. When I worked in Downtown Houston there were tons of homeless people laying around, many of them are mentally ill, and behave rather strangely. But you never hear of citizens shooting homeless people because of perceived threats.

      • cielo62 says:

        Boyd~ …. not yet. So far, the laws have pushed the homeless around from site to site in order to get a meal. Someday, a “Rosa Parks” amongst them will refuse, and THE N you’ll see SYG against the homeless like crazy.


  7. Woow! says:

    My heart is aching after this Zimmerman trial

    “Stand Your Ground” is allowing a disproportionate number of blacks to be murdered. I am sure there are some cases which are justified when a white man kills a black man but most are just murdered.

  8. J4TMinATL says:

    This is #2

    Morning all!

    I would like to share two blogs with you all. I check in on #1 every once in awhile and I admire the author of #2 and I think you will too. The point of sharing #1 is to show you what IMO whites think but won’t ever say.

    Let me know your thoughts.

    This is #2. Love this blog.

    2. http://abagond.wordpress.com/

    • Woow! says:

      They keep going back to the OJ trial and poor Nicole. It is sad that OJ killed her but they need to stop making Nicole out to be a saint. She was a coked out ___ plain and simple. Does that make her a bad person no. Did that justify her being murdered of course not. Does that make her human with faults absolutely.

      • J4TMinATL says:

        Then why are you bringing it up? State made many mistakes in prosecuting case. Biggest mistake, moving case from suburbs to downtown LA to secure grand jury indictment. Riots and police misconduct were fresh in everyone’s mind. Marcia Clark didn’t know how to approach police misconduct in her case in front of minority women. It also took them too long to present case.

        • Woow! says:

          I brought it up because it was the first thing I saw on that website you posted and thought it is funny how they keep going back to the OJ trial for what is happening now.

    • Woow! says:

      Reading some of the comments from the Marigny shooting these people are vile and would scare Satan out of hell. Now they are referring to 14 year olds as man childs.

      • J4TMinATL says:

        Yes they are disgusting. It provides a different lens than the TH folks.

        What think of Abagond’s link?

  9. J4TMinATL says:

    Morning all!

    I would like to share two blogs with you all. I check in on #1 every once in awhile and I admire the author of #2 and I think you will too. The point of sharing #1 is to show you what IMO whites think but won’t ever say.

    Let me know your thoughts. Had to post links in separate posts since multiple links trigger moderation. This is #1.


  10. Dan Q. Smith says:

    Have tried to explain Fogen went “coon hunting” and it’s as simple as that to many of my white middle and upper middle class acquaintances. They. just. will. not. believe. it. I r really believe it’s a case of Jack Nickerson’s famous line, “You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!” Yes, their denial is totally wrapped up in them being white and ignorant of their own prejudice, but as awful as it is, I think people like Jodi Arias (the jury foreman in tha t case was also a moron) and Fogen start with an unfair advantage because most people, of course, aren’t sociopaths, and they don’t want to let their minds go to the place where they could see horror as something real. So they conflate presumption of innocence as a concept that applies in court with a pseudo-excuse to turn their minds to a ‘know nothing” position. They are actually hurting themselves and every member of society when they could be standing uo for justice and human decency but they would rather be comfortable in ignorance. I think it’s very unfortunate. I tried so hard to make these people see that this kid was murdered, that it’s not even a close call. I was met with very limited success.

    • Woow! says:

      Dan you can’t reason with those people. They will never see things the way you do. When you are taught to believe something you entire life by those you love and trust you would be apprehensive to change your beliefs. These people believe what they were reared to believe and there is nothing we can do to change that.

    • Drew says:

      Good friends of mine play the “know nothing” card (right after they accuse me and others of playing that other really evil card).

      Yet, they watch bits and pieces of the case on MSNBC and act like they know what’s going on, then spout off about it.

      But when it comes down to, “hey look, GZ’s main defense is that he was beaten to death so he just had to shoot, but hey look he’s got zero non-superficial wounds to his head, do you really justify murder for a few scratches in a scuffle (if that)?” said friends get all, “welp, we’ll just never know what really happened that night of The Terrible Tragedy”.

      Know nothings.

  11. J4TMinATL says:

    Not sure why previous comment is in moderation? If we post 2 links, does it do that?

  12. J4TMinATL says:

    Morning all!

    I would like to share two blogs with you all. I check in on #1 every once in awhile and I admire the author of #2 and I think you will too. The point of sharing #1 is to show you what IMO whites think but won’t ever say.

    Let me know your thoughts.

    1. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

    2. http://abagond.wordpress.com/

  13. Mojo says:

    This isn’t anything real new and many of you have probably read it before. But it’s an interesting read. I don’t know why the prosecution couldn’t have exposed his lies like this as well as juxtaposed his reenactment against the actual NEN call.


  14. Woow! says:

    Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
    Published: June 28, 2005


    “The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado.

    • cielo62 says:

      “A Constitutional Duty” is not the same as a MORAL duty or a JOB IMPOSED DUTY. The Constitution does not require that I like kids in order to be a teacher. BUT the reality is that a good teacher does like kids. Maybe it’s the same with cops. A bad cop CAN get fired for not doing his job related duty SUCH AS protect citizens in his area. It’s just not a federal duty. Weird, huh?


  15. Woow! says:

    @Pat “Do the few with power go after the white poor people with not much education and convince them it is the fault of the Blacks.”

    Sadly yes and no. Sure they play on the ignorance of the poor whites but at the same time, poor whites feel they are better than blacks and resent that a black person may have more education and material possession than they do.

    Poor whites blame blacks for taking jobs away from them, living off their tax money (while they themselves are sitting on their fat asses getting food stamps and welfare, meciad), for their children having to attend the same public schools as blacks because they cannot afford to send them to a privates school.

    In Louisiana close the the Mississippi border there is a small town. When desegregation happened, all the whites started a private school because they did not want their kids going to school with the black children. Two private schools were formed Silliman and Centreville Academy.

    While I was still in high school a few of the white kids moved back over the the public school for some reason or another and we were shocked at how dumb they were. Here we were thinking these kids were getting a better education and much smarter than we were and they were dumb as a sack of rocks. The teachers would always tell us that when those kids graduated from those private schools they had a hard time making it in college because of what and how they were taught.

    This is the problem in the U.S. today. Not all but most of the private schools set their own curriculum churning out dumb kids who think they are elite and better than the minorities. These kids are who we are dealing with today running our government into the ground and thumping their bible like a drum to the beat of the Calvinists.

    Evangelicals tend to follow the non-Christian teaching of the Calvinists and now their Christianity has grown to absolutely have nothing to do with the actual teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

    These people

    1. Believe in materialism,
    2. They have a strong hatred for the poor,
    3. Militarism – they would start a war over a rain drop
    4. They are very hostile to anything that is not American and refuse to believe that Jesus did not care for just his people but all people.
    5. They are hypocrites
    6. They are very controlling. They want to control the government, the military, a women’s body, education
    7. Hates gays and lesbians
    8. Push their religion on others
    9. Believe in zero tolerance

    Their message is a message of hate and bigotry.

    Don’t get me wrong the catholic church has it faults too.

    All of these people spouting religion are very dangerous and corrupt, not just to blacks and the poor but anyone that is not on board with their beliefs.

    • Girlp says:

      My sister is a member of that’s not what Jesus means club, she tells me you have to go back to the old testament to find out what he means….I just look at her like she’s crazy we were not brought up with this but she subscribes to a couple of these right wing ministers. It’s funny how Jesus could say something but somehow didn’t know what he was saying so he actually is dismissed and here in SC the majority have fallen for it. These ministers are extremley wealthy they rip of the poorest of their members some people work hard to give them their hard earned money it’s sad. And don’t try telling them the Old Testament hold very little of Jewish beliefs that there are other books you can’t rely on the book for knowledge of Jewish culture at that time oh no everything is in the book.

      • Woow! says:

        I visited TD Jakes church after a client whose bankruptcy I was preparing told me she was a member. This lady filed chapter 13 after getting laid off. Instead of using the money from her 401K to pay her mortgage arrears she gave it to the Potter’s House because TD was asking the congregation to pay off the mortgage of the church at that time.

        These people have their priorities twisted. Church first family second.

        I visited the Potters House (didn’t like it). Just out of curiosity I asked about joining and the lady in the business office told me that the tithe is auto deducted and they needed my banking info. I told her point blank HELL NO. I give what I can when I can and no one is auto debiting my checking account.

        Also, churches large and small have ATM machines in them now.

        • Girlp says:

          Crazy, Christianity has been taken over by greed and the conservative movement, I don’t recognize it anymore. I’m not much on organized relgion anyway and this is a free country worship as you believe if you don’t that’s fine too, each person has that right but to see what has happened to the religion is sad.

          • Woow! says:

            @cielo62 – yeah Osteen don’t get me started. My aunt traveled from Florida to hear him then all of a sudden she turned sour after her eyes were opened.

          • cielo62 says:

            Woow!~ My spouse seems to think Osteen is sincere, but I say he’s a total charlatan. All that money and very very little public outreach in terms of social justice. What good is money if it’s not used to better your community?


          • Woow! says:

            @cielo62 – Olsteen has no formal biblical training and he did not want to take over his father’s churh at first. All of a sudden, God was his calling. I think he is a quack like his father was most other mega preachers. Didn’t his father die because he refused treatment and believed that God was going to provide him with new organs?

            Marketing is these men calling and they are good at marketing faith to rake in the dollars.

            My aunt is a devote crazy christian and when her son got ill the preacher told her God would heal him. That woman ran to the nears pediatric hospital so I guess they all aren’t crazy.

          • cielo62 says:

            Woow!~ Yep. Marketing at it’s lowest common denominators, fear and ignorance. Throw in a little guilt, and you gots the making for a televangelist roadshow. I see Osteen as the biggest fraud that people of FAITH allow to happen.


        • cielo62 says:

          Woow!~ Sounds like Lakewood Snakepit,.. uh church, I mean.


          • Girlp says:

            cielo it has changed so much and not in a good way no tolerance of anything or anyone and they are all after money, have big houses expensive cars because God wants them to have the cars.

          • cielo62 says:

            girlp~ What is ironic to me is that being wealthy is part of the “Prosperity Gospel” branch of christianity. If you are righteous, God will reward you with material goodies. THEY FORGET that Satan tempted Jesus in the desert with wealth, power and fame and he turned it down! They fail to realize that they worship MATERIAL IDOLS, the very ones that Jesus scorned. I bet the GOP are the money changers in the Temple; time for Jesus to overturn their tables once again.


          • Woow! says:

            The Reverend Freak ‘Terry Hornbuckle’ perfect example of wanting the money, women, and cars. Too bad he wasn’t white or he would have been forgiven hheeeheeee


          • Girlp says:

            Those mega churches are businesses posing as a church. All they do is take money from those who really can’t afford to give it away, one morning I saw a minister asking for money so he could pray for them and God would give them whatever they wanted I mean seriously.

        • dianetrotter says:

          We don’t have atms at Sunrise Rialto. It is a blessing to not be in a church that forever has a building fund and locks the door for collection.

        • pat deadder says:

          Wow Also churches have ATM machines in them now.This reminds me of a story told by an older gentleman when I was a kid.He said when he was a kid the Sunday school teacher said when he dropped his penny in the collection plate he was to quote a bit of Scripture.He did as he was told dropped his penny in the plate and said A fool and his money are soon parted.

      • aussie says:

        It is interesting how they call themselves CHRISTians but rely entirely on the Old (pre-Christ) Testament.

        Of course many early settlers in the US were religious sects which were pushed out of their homelands because of their extremism. Not thrown out, just made to feel unwelcome enough that a fresh start was attractive for them.

    • pat deadder says:

      Thank you Woow.This is very thought provoking.I am going to reread it.I was brought up in a small Province in Canada.Went to school with about 1200 kids because children from miles around were bused to school.I started school in 1951.Black and white kids all were in school together.We all played together and went all through school together.Some of the kids walked to school since they lived in town and us country kids sometimes felt not as good as the town kids and some of the town kids were black.The town kids parents owned stores worked in the Bank,Post Office including the black kids families.Most of the country kids Fathers were famers,fisherman and worked at Navy Base.As far as religion my Mother was a Baptist,My Father was United.I can’t remember my Father ever going to church.My Mother went occasionally.I went every Sunday till I was 19.It wasn’t fire and brimstone it was old hymns .nice sermons.No hate.Jehova Witnesses used to come to the door my Mother would invite them in listen,drink tea.The neighbours asked why , she said why not.,Knowledge takes away fear.Maybe this is why I am baffled.I am white by the way.

  16. roderick2012 says:

    @Medusausi, I have been wandering the same damn thing.

    Even President Obama seemed resolved that George wouldn’t be punished during his first post verdict speech.

    It’s as if Papa Zim gathered a whole lot of blackmail material on a lot of very important people during his stint at the Pentagon and or made some very powerful connections.

    But having an entire town perjure themselves for a loser like George is mind boggling, but I guess if anything will make people do it, it would be racism.

  17. Good morning, everyone. I absolutely love reading Malisha’s thoughtful and poignant posts. She’s again absolutely on point on Fogen being “the good guy.”

    If anyone wants to know what, as Wayne LaPierre said, “a good guy with a gun” looks like, all they need do is look at Fogen. IOW, whomever the good guy shoots is always the “bad guy.” It doesn’t matter that he’s unarmed and not doing anything wrong. For “good guys” out there, now seems to be the standard of who can be targeted.

    The million dollar question that remains unanswered for me though is what makes Fogen such a Golden Child; who deemed his ratchetness to be untouchable? Was his exemplary service as an altar boy in the powerful Catholic Church? Does his family have powerful political connections from on high? Inquiring minds want to know.

  18. Trained Observer says:

    Katelin Faber … another piece of work from a racist Colorado town eager to take down a black celebrity. Kobe’s attorneys did a brilliant job on his behalf … but you gotta wonder why this bimbo’s accusations were ever believed in the first place. Also wonder what’s happened to Faber in the past decade. …

  19. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    “New Evidence in the Georgia Infant’s Death Points to Parents, Not Two Black Teens”:


    Here is a list of white people who have have falsely accused Blacks + comments following the article:

    Unbelievable-895817commented 5 days ago

    I’m just gonna take the high road and say…… NEVER FORGET
    Central Park 5
    Charles Stuart
    Jessie Anderson
    Susan Smith
    Robert Harris
    Katelin Faber
    Jennifer Willbanks
    James Prindle
    Ashley Todd
    Brian Wells
    Bonnie Sweeten
    Amanda Knox
    Bethany Storro
    Sgt. Robert Ralston
    Countless others who have sent innocent black men to jail, without a thought or a care………

    Unbelievable-895817 replied 4 days ago

    I am saying that this white woman (Sherry West who said that her 13 month old was shot and killed by 2 black teens) USED racism, specifically “White Privilege”, to blame a crime SHE committed, onto someone black.  She used the practice of racial profiling to tailor her defense and shift blame onto someone else, someone who has been profiled as having “that type” of behavior.
    This is EXACTLY why racial profiling is bad….. as to why you dont understand why she did, what she did and how it impacts racism in society…. I cant help you with that.

    DOCJT replied 4 days ago

    It just so happens that that list was of white individuals who have accused Black individuals, and it was also an accurate list.

    V-1797921 replied 8 hours ago toUnbelievable-895817

    YES – it’s a past time!
    Esp. if there is any way, shape or form a Black person involved or the hint of a black person period – it’s what some people do for KICKS is this new “post-racial” world of theirs – LOL

    • roderick2012 says:

      There are a couple things that bothered me about the shooting:

      1) Why would the shooters fatally shoot the kid but only wound the mother who could identify them?
      2) The mother claimed that after she told the the robbers she didn’t have any money she claims she went on this long screed explaining that children were expensive. So she wants us to believe that the robbers just stood and listened to her then rashly shot her son in the face but took time to only wound her in her leg?
      3) Who takes out an insurance policy on a one-year old?
      4) Why was the mother so anxious to cremate the child?
      5) Why was the father so anxious to give away his son’s clothes?
      Were they haunting reminders of his guilt?
      6) A mother would do anything to protect her child so why during all of this talking didn’t she get her son out of the stroller and shield him with her body?

      • Woow! says:

        These are excellent questions raised by the journalist in that article.

        “If it turns out that a southern white women did in fact kill her own infant in order to collect some insurance money, will American’s show the same level of vehemence they did when they believed it was two black teens who killed Antonio Santiago?”

        “Will they still cry out for execution, or will they see the case differently, if the killer turns out to be middle-aged, white and female, rather than young, black and male?”

        Copied from: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/24/new-evidence-in-georgia-infants-death-points-to-parents-not-two-black-teens/#ixzz2aXhG8CIX

        • cielo62 says:

          Woow!~ Based on the Susan Smith trial, where people turned against Smith in a heartbeat, I’d say chances are good these “parents” will receive great animosity. And NOT because they tried to blame blacks but because they KILLED a WHITE BABY.


          • Woow! says:

            They should immediately release those boys but aren’t they still in jail awaiting trial?

          • cielo62 says:

            Woow!~ I bet their lawyers need to do some paperwork mumbo-jumbo for “relief” from the presiding judge.


      • aussie says:

        Allegedly she got gunshot residue on her by GRABBING THE GUN… yeah, after it was fired? and they still didn’t shoot her dead?

        Then she claimed husband may have got HIS GSR from touching HER hands when visiting her in hospital (next day????)

        Gee that must be some sticky GSR, what was it, velcroed on?

        Odd the police haven’t looked too hard at this though.

        The teens need a good pro bono lawyer; I don’t see the public defender doing much for them.

        • roderick2012 says:

          I agree that her excuses for the GSR are not believable.

          I guess she shot the kid in the face and he shot her in the leg.

          The teens will be convicted because:
          1) Society sees them as expendable black males
          2) The police are loathe to admit making a mistake

  20. Dan Q. Smith says:

    I don’t know but isn’t it interesting that lying POS John W6 was all about TM used “MMA.” He got his whole lie from Fogen and Fogen is the one who trained in MMA. I always knew John was full of it. To brazenly lie about a murder and put the murder’s MMA training on the dead kid. Just wow.

    • Trained Observer says:

      And yet, the State did little other than take John W6’s deposition all over again at trial. … No effort to probe the descrepancy between what he first told cops (and the defense spread around) and his far newer (better cover my ass or I might go to jail) version. That’s when I truly began to lose confidence in the State … that and failure to grill Serino and Singleton as they should have been.

      • Dan Q. Smith says:

        @ T.O.

        Yes! That was outrageous of the prosecution. And I can’t tell you how many people watched that part of the trial and insisted to me Fogen suffered an MMA beat down. I had to telll them to listen to John’s statenents to Sanford police and then to FDLE. They couldnt be bothered to even do that or they wouldn’t admit it. BDLR let MOM walk all over him and this was central to Fogen’s lie. Disgusting.

  21. crazy1946 says:

    I need a little help (no not that kind, well I may well need it, just don’t want it right now!), does anyone remember who recommended Kokopelli”s Gym to the Fogdoit? Also the date he first visited the gym? One interesting thing that I have found is Joshua Parrish (who lived a very short distance from that gym) shared an interest in MMA! I looking for a tie between Joshua Parris and Adam Pollock. Any help you can give would be appreciated… Will explain all this at a later date….

    • crazy1946 says:

      Please note, I know the date that Adam Pollock said the Fogdoit started training there and also the different date that the Fogdoit gave to the PA where he went for treatment. However I have found a little info that seems to suggest he started much earlier than stated. Also, in my haste to finish the prior post, I put down Joshua Parris when in fact I meant Joshua Parrish…. Must be the keyboard, could not be me, right?

      • Trained Observer says:

        Nah, couldn’t have been you, crazy! Seriously, I think there’s an auto-correct mechanism on this blog site that sometimes plays gremlin games.

  22. MDH says:

    This shit is not restricted to Florida.

    Remember the Central Park Five?


    In the USA, there is a large segment of the population that goes along with the premise that, if some blacks commit crimes, then blacks as a whole group bear responsibility, thus any black that a PD pins the crime on is “justice served”.

    Funny how these same people, when confronted about past racial injustice, are the first to say “that was not me”.

    I bring up a case in NYC because a significant portion of the liberal block at Daily Koward seem to be fond of pinning racism on rednecks or southerners. Just another way to say “that is not me”.

  23. Dan Q. Smith says:

    BTW, I am a native Floridian and I led such an INSULAR life. In 45 years on this planet I had no idea it was THIS bad there. Serino is a racist POS. I hooe he and Singleton rot in Hell. We voted fir Gore in 2000. We’re not all like that. God, how embarrassing.

    • Malisha says:

      Oh I know what you MEAN; it’s excruciating to be among people for whom you end up judged but it’s almost impossible to not think that way. I have a friend (I sometimes write a little comedy for her) who says, “Oh Lawd arentchoo embarrassed to be white when they come out with somepin like that there?”

  24. Dan Q. Smith says:

    Malisha, you are a superb intellect and gifted writer. Thank you for sharing your contributions with us and for your unwavering support for the cause of justice.

  25. Tzar says:

    Parents shouldn’t have to bury their children

    • Xena says:

      @Tzar. Isn’t it strange that we have not seen any photos of Papa Zim with his children while infants, toddlers, or otherwise?

      • Tzar says:

        yeah…never thought of that, probably because it ranks low on my list of strange things about that family

        • Xena says:

          @Tzar. Yeah. They are strange. Like, where are George and ShelLIE’s wedding photos? Where are the photos of his (non) graduation party? There is nothing family about the Zimmerman family.

          • Trained Observer says:

            All great questions. No wedding photo? No nongrad party pix In this era? Only a hunch … but increasingly, I believe Papa Zim may not be the bio dad for this strong of losers.

            Am still snickering over BDLR mistakenly referring to Uncle Jorge as Fogen’s daddy? Insider knowledge? A silly mistake that added to the State’s appearance of confusion and incompetency.

    • cielo62 says:

      Tzar~ No Tzar. They shouldn’t. 😦


  26. lady2soothe says:

    Buckeye Firearms Foundation Defends Raising Money To Buy A Gun For George Zimmerman.

    “The purpose of the fundraiser was not just to buy a gun. It was to buy a gun, gear, ammunition, training, security systems, personal protection, whatever he felt was appropriate to defend himself, defend his family, defend his parents”


    • lady2soothe says:

      What would happen if Zimmerman takes that new gun and shoots another unarmed teenager.

      “If someone is on top of Mr. Zimmerman again, repeatedly bashing his head into the concrete, and he acts in self-defense, that’s incredible bad luck that he found himself in that situation twice. But we’ll sleep soundly.

      Asked if the group plans to make the same offer to Martin’s parents, particularly since it was their son who was shot and killed, Hanson demurred, saying he was not aware of any threats to the victim’s family.

      Chalk up Ohio right along with Florida, not a place I’ll ever visit,

      • Girlp says:

        He is able to buy a gun he did not need the $12,000 from buckeye I’m afraid he will do this again, he had no regrets, he grinned ear to ear after watching his Hanniety interview, he glared at Javarhis and Trayvon’s stepbrother he will kill again.

        • lady2soothe says:


          It makes me sick to know he was exonerated and now walking around with a *firearm*. But almost worse are those sadistic ghoulish minds wholeheartedly donating and cheering him on. He was given a license and free rein to repeat his atrocity.

      • Girlp says:

        Been to Ohio, nothing to see.

    • cielo62 says:

      lady2soothe~ sorry, but that’s rather old news in our instant internet world. Had you read that the website was HACKED and will be down for some 2 weeks? Yep, NO internet business for the Buckeye!


      • lady2soothe says:


        The article was published yesterday about Tom Hanson’s video interview and the reasoning behind the group’s fundraising efforts.

        Too bad so sad their website was hacked, my heart bleeds Kool-Aid for them.

        • cielo62 says:

          lady2soothe~ then I must have jumped the gun. I didn’t realize you had posted a video. I only read the mains storyline that they had raised this money for gz and that their website got hacked. Yeah, I bleed purple panther piss for them… 😉  This is one of those times when I wish I were a talented hacker. Their business would never see the internet again…


  27. ay2z says:

    Back in 2005, thescotsman online warned British tourists about Florida and how to try to stay safer. Check out some of the comments from Florida residents apparently, who think assaults will go down when people think there’s more chance of the person having a gun. Right, that makes sense.


    Original article here:


    Florida tourists warned that locals could shoot them
    Updated on the
    30 September

    Published 30/09/2005 01:09

    IT IS Britain’s most popular transatlantic holiday destination, attracting more than 1.5 million visitors a year with its sun-drenched beaches, theme parks and wildlife….

  28. ay2z says:

    Thanks, Malisha…. nailed it. I wasn’t willing to accept that Serino was so conniving and a blatant liar, thought it was his way of manipulating during an interrogation, but the whole thing was false face.

  29. Jasmine says:

    I wanted to post this article here. A man exposed himself to a woman that he followed home, they were both walking. I do not know if she had a cell but when they got to her driveway she punched him in the stomach. The comments are very favorable to her. So why was it so awful for Trayvon to have punched Fogen, although I doubt he even put a hand on him but not this woman? Things that make you go hmmmm….This happened in Ohio.


  30. Elijah says:

    Powerful stuff there Malisha. Thank you.

  31. me says:

    Great new app called “buycott” I use it to boycott Florida. You can find info on other causes.

  32. chills101 says:

    Professor can you tell me why you wrote MUSLIM Terrorist instead of just terrorist. Plus if any terrorist attack us the question from us should be why would some terrorist just all of a sudden attempt to murder us at the famous T ( behind building or closed doors) for no reason. O’ i kno America is the good guys.

    • Jasmine says:

      I think because that is who the US is currently fighting against. Plus all the rhetoric about ‘all Muslims are terrorists’.

      • chills101 says:

        Like the rhetoric that all black people are risky? That rhetoric should be unexceptable…..

        • Jasmine says:

          It is unacceptable to those who don’t paint everyone with the same brush. That is why he pointed that out. We, meaning those who lump everyone in the same category, are so scared of ‘those Muslims’. I think, actually, I know who I am most afraid of….and they are those who are scared of anyone who is different, who don’t match their same color. People who are like that are paranoid just like Fogen.

    • Drew says:

      Think he was mocking the right-wing’s pants-wetting behavior when it comes to anything Muslim, or perhaps the US policy of treating Muslim terror differently than white, domestic terror.

      Imagine a Muslim flew into restricted airspace a la Michael Dunn a few years back. He’d still be in prison without charges.

      • chills101 says:

        Exactly Drew!!! What drives me is that we all see their BS and we can’t do nothing about it. Talking bout it helps mentally but we deserve better.

      • cielo62 says:

        Drew~ That’s assuming they hadn’t just shot him down.


    • aussie says:

      Muslim = terrorist. Terrorist = Muslim. Didn’t you know that?

      All the white all-American guys who’ve blown up buildings etc are crazy, sick, had bad childhoods or were abused. None of them are/were terrorists. Only Muslims can be terrorists, so countries that are predominantly Muslim can be legitimately targetted by “liberation” wars.

      Oh, sometimes there’s the odd US Citizen but they’re Muslim too, or at the very least have looked at Muslim websites as recommended to them by the FBI sting operators, who do such a great job setting up “terror plots” on which to jail a few impressionable youths each year, to justify their wages and “prove” that Muslim= terrorist.

      • Jasmine says:

        Yeah aussie I have noticed that. Well I always noticed that. The
        ‘they are mentally unstable so let’s feel sorry for them’ crowd. Uh yeah…no I don’t think I will. There are lots and lots of people who have had bad childhoods but they don’t kill innocent people because of it, the don’t rape child because of it either. I am soooo sick and tired of that lame excuse.

        • aussie says:

          It is necessary to make them out as mentally unstable, so they are differentiated from “normal” white people. So what they did doesn’t reflect on white people. (Although the kind of mental problem that leads to school shootings seems to be a 100% white thing: looks like a high amount of disappointed entitlement involved)..

          For minorities there’s no mental instability escape clause. They do what they do from their nature and/or culture, so what any of them does is representative of all of them.

          Muslims of course are foreigners into the bargain, so doubly damned. Actually it is used as shorthand for “Middle Eastern” although a few exceptions are made, eg Chechens. The fact that Pakistan and Indonesia are Muslim doesn’t register.

    • Dave says:

      The Professor is pointing out that Islamic terrorists are a recent and relatively minor threat compared to right wing racists who have a continuous and extremely violent tradition of terrorism in this country going back to the early 19th century. (Bleeding Kansas, KKK, antiunion vigilantism, Oklahoma City, abortion clinic bombings….the list goes on and on and on….

  33. Two sides to a story says:

    A gentle tip of the hat to Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin


  34. LBTG says:

    “Why the Justice Department Can (and Must) Criminally Prosecute George Zimmerman”….
    “One of the reasons why George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin has traumatized the nation is precisely because the deep south community in which it took place reflected and (literally) embodied the distinct (though still quite limited) progress Americans have made in race relations over the past half-century.”….

    “Prior to the civil rights movement and the landmark legislation that emerged from it, the kind of upscale suburban housing tract in which George Zimmerman resided and Trayvon Martin regularly visited would not have been integrated. It would surely have been “whites only”. And it is equally probable that a teenage “Trayvon Martin” (or African-American of any age) in 1963 would have been refused entry into a convenience store in any “lily white” neighborhood in Seminole County, Florida. (It is a region with a particularly ugly history of racism, one that included a very active Ku Klux Klan chapter. Those white mobsters physically menaced Jackie Robinson during a Brooklyn Dodgers’ spring training game in 1947, and firebombed the residence of the regional president of the NAACP and his wife in 1951, killing them.)”


  35. J4TMinATL says:

    Question. Looking back at jury selection I’m not sure that State actually struck/used premps on 4 women in a row as defense claimed. Can someone help me to see if that happened.

    Thought y’all would find this interesting about Jane S.


  36. lady2soothe says:

    Sanford Police In Hot Water AGAIN
    Traymon Williams, 27, Forced To The Ground During Traffic Stop In Sanford, Florida


  37. I am almost to the point where, if Dunn walks after murdering that boy I am going to hurl myself out a window or do something spectacular, final and graphic, like leap from a skyscraper. There is just so much wrong with this,

    Even that freak in Cleveland had some sense about him, and he took a plea. That Dunn is confident enough to take such an over-the-top offensive case (with many terrified witnesses) to trial really speaks volumes about the Florida system. He and his attorney obviously see no problem at all with his chances.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Don’t you dare do anything like that birthday girl!

      I can just imagen the Jury Instructions allready.

      In order for Micheal Dunn to have been in fear for his life
      there need not have been an actual shotgun in the victims
      car at the time of the attempted killing.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I feel the same way, Crane. This just can’t happen.

    • Trained Observer says:

      The Cleveland freak’s plea was a breath of fresh air, as was how the freako’s son rebuked and essentially disinherited the old man. That showed common sense.

      Too bad the Fogen fam couldn’t have shown remorse for Trayvon’s death from the get-go … and then kept its collective mouth shut, instead of actively participating in smearking the victim.

      • cielo62 says:

        Trained Observer~ YES! That’s what it was “A breath of fresh air!” ONE MAN who repudiated his father for being a monster! AND YET the zimzoo can’t repudiate their murdering, loser, lying POS Georgie! THAT is what is sick! NOT that gz is in the family, but that the family SUPPORTS everything he did! I am very much in gratitude for Castro’s son.


      • I don’t think they are capable of any remorse at all. And neither are the lawyers.

  38. Elizabeth says:

    @Xena, I don’t remenber where the gun info was(but I’ll look)
    I noticed that the phone that GZ used, the one with the number
    ending in two zeros,was registered to She.
    Shelly was behind that “he called me a m-effer” incident.
    “I told Shelly Zimmerman”
    Shelly was involved in the Donnelly testimony.

    • Xena says:


      @Xena, I don’t remenber where the gun info was(but I’ll look)

      Thank you so much! I’m still looking — am working on something and want to have it supported by document.

      Shelly was behind that “he called me a m-effer” incident. “I told Shelly Zimmerman” Shelly was involved in the Donnelly testimony.

      ShelLIE is a spiteful female dog.

  39. colin black says:

    Xena says:

    July 29, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    @Malisha. White Supremacists, regardless if they carry that label or sovereign citizens or Tea Party, are trying to provoke someone who is Black, or a group, to start teaching Blacks to be submissive to Whites.

    What that conveys is as long as there is one Black person who commits crime, they are holding the entire Black race responsible and will kill young Black males in retaliation.


    Its deeper an more troubleing to me certain factions ..white raceists suprmist types are salvitating an hopeing a race riot erupts in a domino effect.

    Like Rodney King on steroids .

    A southern City kicks off an then copy cats erupt Nation Wide like what happened in the UK a couple years back after an unarmed Black Suspect was shot after a short car persuit..

    But there hopeing its Just AA an Minorites that are the main culprets an any whites involved will be of the trash variety an theyre worse than blahcks anyhoo

    The jurour biatch attorneys wife whom spoke off peacefull protests as riots.

    She like foggage is profileing not a single Child.

    But an entire race you cant trust them in mass assembly you know with there firey blood an warrior jeans.

    Her blatant twisting an turning manipulateing weak willed lilly livered coward to let this child murder a black child walk frre.

    Was exhillerating for her an her spouse the louse.

    An everyone else they invite in there house..

    The extreme raceist just like Charlie Manson with Helter Skelltor his warped inteptation of a Beatles Track.
    A helter skelltor is a fair ground slide type ride.

    But Manson was convinced it professed a comeing race war.

    Where AA would rise up a la Black Panthers whom at the time were powerfull

    So they are re hashing the ideaoligy of a demented con whom spent the majority of his life behind bars.

    An has continued to do so till this day.

    They think if they provoke Blackie enough then the worm will turn .

    But they are ready for a turkey shoot like no other an also repeals an laws that restrict an mimimise Minorites rights even more than the pathetic level they are at present.

    They want to kick ass with joy full abandon an with righous Intent An for the ggod of all.

    An then say we told you so we always warned you they were risky .
    But you called us raceist an paranoid an looks like we were right all along.

    That’s there agenda count on it .

    Your experinceing the baiting phase of there strategy so next up willlll be an aquitall for DUNN an Im being serious mark my words its DONE DEALIO………

  40. Tzar says:

    An Open Letter

    trayvon martin The following is an open letter to the father of Trayvon Martin, written by journalist Greg Palast:

    Dear Mr. Martin,

    I have a 16-year old son. I cannot imagine losing him because some beast decided to play Lone Ranger.

    And so, with cautious humility, I make this suggestion, this plea.

    Sue the beast. You must.

    I understand you are reluctant to launch another painful trial of uncertain outcome and cost, monetary and emotional. And I know a money judgment won’t bring your son home.

    But imagine this: George Zimmerman gets a half-million-dollar book deal and $25,000 a pop to appear at gun shows – plus a fee to put his name on a 9mm semi-automatic. The ‘Zimmerman Protector.’

    There’s only one way to put this monster out of business: Justice can only come out of the barrel of a lawsuit.

    Only in a lawsuit can you force Zimmerman to the witness stand. That’s crucial. In the criminal case, Zimmerman’s daddy, a magistrate no less, could say it was poor George yelling for help on that desperate phone call.

    In a civil action, your son’s lawyer can say to Zimmerman, “Come on, George, let’s hear you scream for help. George, let’s hear you scream that this skinny kid is going to kill you. Come on, George, show us how Trayvon somehow grabbed your big fat head while he was taking the gun from your hand.”

    A federal indictment won’t do that: Zimmerman can’t be called as a witness in a criminal case. A federal trial won’t disgrace Zimmerman nor stop him from getting rich off your son’s corpse.

    A civil trial has none of that “reasonable doubt” crap that can get Zimmerman off the hook with some fantasy story about Trayvon as the dangerous aggressor. Zimmerman’s consigliere said it was Trayvon’s own fault he was murdered. The “decision [to get shot] was in Trayvon Martin’s hands more than my client’s.” Do you want that to be the last word about your son?

    Maybe you don’t want the money. OK, then: Set up a foundation and make Zimmerman turn over all that blood money, those book deals and gun show fees, to the Trayvon Foundation. Make him work every day of his lousy life for Trayvon.

    There’s another advantage to civil action. To be blunt, you won’t have to rely on painfully befuddled prosecutors like the ones we witnessed in that courtroom. In a lawsuit, you can choose the best legal gunslingers in the country.

    I’m not guessing about that. I asked fearsome Florida trial lawyer Mike Papantonio if he and his partner, civil rights attorney Bobby Kennedy Jr., would take on the case if called. Papantonio said his firm is standing by, ready to help your legal team if asked. And I have no doubt there are other great plaintiff lawyers who would leap to your cause.

    Americans love to complain that there are “too many lawyers.” I agree that if some corporate defense lawyers drown in their hot tubs, only their mothers should cry. But it is our unique system of tort law that gives Americans the true Hammer of Justice. Plaintiff lawsuits, even more than government agencies or the FBI, are what keep drug companies from poisoning us and keep dangerous toys from maiming our kids. And, using section 1983 of the federal civil rights statute, it’s the power of the plaintiffs’ bar that stops racist jerks from denying jobs, mortgages and freedoms to people of color.

    And there’s one final reason to bring a civil action. Let the word go forth to any Zimmerman wannabe dreaming that wealth and admiration requires only their hunting down another dark-skinned kid in a hoodie: Maybe sick Florida law will keep you out of prison, but you will have your sorry ass dragged onto a witness stand, where you will be ripped up, ruined and busted for the rest of your life.

    So I’m asking you, as one dad to another, stand your ground and sue this killer – for Trayvon and for all our kids.

    With respect,
    Greg Palast

    • Wonderful letter.

      Palast is one of my heroes.

      Thanks, Tzar.

      • colin black says:

        Oh he will be sued up the yazoo .
        He still has his frivillous lawsuit against the tv station for portraying him as raceist by editing a tape .

        An out of context .

        An the thousands upon thousands upon thousands he had to pay for joke groucho marx disguises

        An decoc disabled vechicles with decoy marx brother ollkielikes driving them .

        To escape the hit men out to get him all as a result of that tape.

        That lawsuit I suspect will be dropped like a hot stone by foggage now.

        Trayvons Parents will not let him life life off there Sons life blood like this letter says .

        Scholarships for poor Children an every one wins

        Doesn’t foggage like nothing better than mentoring poor AA Children .

        What better way to live than to spend every single dollar you make to guide them through collage.

        That’s a mentors dream surely he wont object.

        An he can devote himself to helping first responders with his scanner.

        He can become foggage the second comeing

        Second comeing at local accidents that is.

        Only place foggage wont be a second comeing is in the bed room.

        No second comeing there for him .

        Always to quick to pull the trigger go figure he is just a coward a dam quitter .

        An I feel his legal woes are far from behind him may the phat phuck spend his life in litigation .

        Take some Insperation theres no ones ever going to prey on Trayvon …That train has already gone.

    • me says:

      Reading that felt great. I do hope Sybrina and Tracy consider this mans advice. Please. Fogen needs to be punished. I follow Natalee Jackson on twitter and she seems ready to move forward to legislation repeals. I’m not done. HE NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED IN SOME WAY!!

    • Jasmine says:

      I heard that RZ jr. said that the Martins/Fultons shouldn’t sue. That is would make them look bad and that Fogen’s family had other things to release about Trayvon. The nerve of that man. The whole family just sickens me.
      I am still upset that a ‘friend’ of mine’s felt sorry for Fogen’s family. Grrrr…irks my nerves it does

      • Two sides to a story says:

        They wanna play with the skittles and watermelon drink again. Pathetic.

        There’s only so much trash you dig up and air on a 17-year-old boy. But there’s plenty to dig up on Fogen and family.

      • type1juve says:

        I can’t imagine them doing any more than they’ve done since the murder. I want to see someone take the gloves off with this murderer. Let those mofo’s bring it!

      • Dan Q. Smith says:

        And Huff post that filthy rag reports RZjr every threat as if his words were “news.” Disgusting.

  41. colin black says:

    The South LOST, and they STILL don’t get it!


    America lost the Civil War not the South 600 thousand dead in just under 4 yrs

    The Civil war enabled America to become the gun owner gun obsessed nation you are today.

    Before the war guns were a rare an expensive on a price par with a horse.

    After the War all enlisted men officers off both sides were allowed to retain there firearms..

    Instantanious influx of 4 million firearms into society an the figures have gone up an up way ahead of the population curve.

    As the war also saw the start of masss production munitions industry .
    An unprecedented advances in war fare.

    For all inteents an purposes the American Civil War was a rehersal for WW1.

    Trench warfare iron clad warships submarines torpedoes all came from that war.

    Also the first total war at least in the South Civillians were targeted by starvation an blockades off civilian populaces in Georgia ect to force the south into submission.

    Scortched Earth an other favourite tactic of the North.
    whom fought the war with untold advantages.

    Practicaly every man an boy able to shoot was conscripted by the South.

    Where as the North had the Worlds trade fair in N York an only one man in 20 joined the Army an they still outnumbered the South 5 to one.

    Its only remarkable Genrals Like Robert E . Lee

    that enabled the South to run the North Ragged at times an won many b attles but were always doomed to lose the war.

    • cielo62 says:

      Colin~ You have an interesting POV. I had read that the SOUTH had many MORE advantages than the North; it had more people and far better military leaders. There was NO “given” that the South would lose. What turned the tide for the North was the allowance of black soldiers in the Union ranks.

      54th Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry   was the 1st of it’s kind, and Abraham Lincoln credited them (black regiments) with affecting the victory for the Union.


  42. LBTG says:

    Kentucky has SYG. Tonight’s news told of Bobbie Jo Clary defending herself against rape with a hammer. “Clary is claiming self-defense, saying that Murphy was raping her and she fought back by hitting him in the head with a hammer.” The man died. And now BJC (a gay woman) is on trial for capital murder with death penalty on the table.

    will the fact that BJC is gay affect her ability to get a fair trial.

    • Malisha says:

      wayall Hayall she shouldabeen GLAD the guy wanted to give her some, ennit?

      • cielo62 says:

        Malisha~ It seriously makes me want to hurl chunks. It reminds of the “corrective rapes” done in Africa against lesbians.


    • cielo62 says:

      LBTG~ I’m afraid that her being gay WILL count against her, even though NO ONE could even remotely suggest that she backed out of consensual sex. Too many states are amazngly stupid.


  43. fauxmccoy says:

    more sanford PD antics (i had not seen this posted yet, please forgive if it’s a duplicate)


    • me says:

      They were emboldened by the verdict. Things won’t get better. My parents and grandparents were alive and lived through the 60’s. Looks like I may see a federal take over of a KKK infested law enforcement department.

    • Boyd says:

      People in Sanford need to boycott, press charges, and/or possibly sue. Let Sanford know we will buy products elsewhere.

      Car looks the same eh? What about the license plate? That’s bullsheet, they had that plate searched in a few minutes.

  44. LBTG says:

    Shellie’s trial has been moved to August 21. Judge is Marlene M Alva. Click to view article with links to State Court Docket, Criminal Information and Supporting Affadavit, and other related articles. Article is written by William A Jacobson, Professor of Law at Cornell Law School and alleges that perjury charge raises more charges of prosecutorial overreaching.

    • ks says:

      I read that but Jacobson is really glossing over the fact that the best evidence against Shellie comes from her own words on the recorded jailhouse tapes.

      He’s trying to take that her answers in court in isolation and overlook that SZ knew what up since she was actively involved in moving and managing the funds and recorded doing so. Also, he’s overlooking the fact that her lying was part of the scheme to perpetrate a fraud on the court and the taxpayers of Fla. by helping GZ to falsely claim indigence.

  45. Mojo says:

    So, who will be the first person, in-the-know, to write a book blowing the whole thing up with the truth and the cover-up? Serino? Mantei? Anyone? Does the truth stay forever buried?

  46. Xena says:

    Does anyone remember what discovery dump included the document that the gun GZ carried was registered to ShelLIE? Or, does anyone have that document separate?

    • Dave says:

      Guns aren’t registered in Florida. She may have bought it origionally but if she did, she apparently gave, sold or lent it to her husband. Or maybe it’s community property. All perfectly legal. AFAIK she hasn’t reported it stolen.

      • Xena says:


        Guns aren’t registered in Florida.

        Thanks for the reminder; i.e., registration vs. purchase.

        I amend my question. Does anyone remember the discovery dump that contained the doc that Shellie purchased the gun that GZ used to kill Trayvon?

  47. dianetrotter says:

    Florida is a dangerous place! Police shot man coming out of his own car in his yard. http://globalgrind.com/news/roy-middleton-unarmed-man-florida-shot-deputies-front-lawn-photos

    • KateW says:

      This is exactly what I am talking about. So now what? Do Black men, women and children continue to be slaughtered? Is this what continues to happen on a daily basis. This is becoming atrocious! Shot for going into his own vehicle?? So who is next? Do we just keep marching or do people have to get violent? What’s it going to be?

      • type1juve says:

        I think that people may have to get violent in order to effect real change. The people we are dealing with are rabid racists and violence or retaliation may be the only thing they understand. Look at Fogen’s brother, they won and he and O’Mara are still talking shit. It’s not just Fogen and his family that are emboldened now, it’s every racist in the country. That NG verdict was a rallying call to all who would do what Fogen did. There will be more murders of innocent black and brown men. I hope it doesn’t come to that. There is a lot of anger about this unjust verdict. People can only take so much before they start to fight back.

        • dianetrotter says:

          There is a one sentence addition that says he turned around (whirled?) out of the car lunging at policemen.

        • KateW says:

          type1juve, you are so right!! They are still talking smack. Even threatening the family of the boy their brother, their defendant murdered. Leveling threats? What happens when the tears can no longer fall, and the African American community continue to bury their sons and daughters due to atrocities against them for the color of their skin.

          • type1juve says:

            Those jurors have helped to create the perfect storm for civil unrest. Who knows who the next Malcolm X is? I just know that the state of Florida has to do better by minorities. I would be very afraid to live there right now. Part of the problem may be the lack of AA leadership in the communities there. I really don’t know. I just get the feeling that that there is a sense of apathy in FL.

          • Sooner or later violence happens as surely as the night follows the day.

            They are asking for it.

          • bettykath says:

            I think there is great leadership potential in Sybrina Fulton. I’m so impressed with her.

            As to civil unrest, the government is ready for a major crackdown. They just need for it to start. All non-violent protest groups need to keep their eyes and ears open and their skepticism on full alert for government infiltrators.

          • As they used to say in Star Trek, that should be the prime directive.

        • a2nite says:

          No, it makes it easier to exterminate us if we get violent, like the native American peoples were exterminated.

        • pat deadder says:

          type1 Coming from an old white woman how could I possibly understand but don’t lower yourself to the level of these ignoramises that’s what they want.I am feeling ashamed of being white right now.More of us need to speak up and shame these sad excuses for human beings including omara what a shameful pos…It needs to be made plain to the police that this shit has to stop or they will be fired and higher up the chain of command needs to go as well for encouraging this.DOJ must charge fogen with a hate crime That would be a small beginning.

          • type1juve says:

            Indeed, charging Fogen with a hate crime would be a first step toward healing and trying to right the so many wrongs that have occurred in this case. I’m not advocating nor do I want violence to happen. I just know that there is only so much that people will take before they start taking the law into their own hands, as Fogen has done.

          • cielo62 says:

            type1juve~ I agree with you. In the interest of survival, eventually people will need to flee or fight. When you don’t have the means to flee, then you fight. At 51, I wonder if it’s too late to learn to shoot straight? :/


          • dianetrotter says:

            Pat, it really does neutralize a bunch of crap when white people speak up. The response to an AA is you are racist, or all blacks are on welfare and don’t want to work (never mind that black people are on tv, in most places of employment, and the comment is stupid), blacks are racist, etc.

            BTW, I know there are black people that have hostile feelings toward white people; however, I almost never see an outright hate-filled comment on major social media.

          • bettykath says:

            What do you think would be the result if the government charged a hate crime and it was tried in Orlando, neighbor of Sanford? What would happen if another 6 person jury of racists were to acquit him of a race crime?

          • Even though your comment is not addressed to me, I’m going to attempt to answer it.

            First, a federal prosecution and trial of GZ for committing a hate crime would involve a 12 person jury.

            Second, although the trial would take place in Orlando, the jury would be summoned from the Middle District of Florida, which extends south of Orlando to Tampa and Fort Meyers and north to include Jacksonville. It includes 10 million people out of Florida’s population of 18 million people and 35 of Florida’s 68 counties.

            The area is divided into four divisions: Orlando, Jacksonville, Tampa and Fort Meyers. The Orlando Division probably summons jurors from Orange, Seminole, Osceola, Brevard and Lake counties. I do not know much about Florida, except that, with the possible exception of Miami and the Keys, I do not want to go there. Nevertheless, selecting a jury of 12 from those five counties might make for a better jury than choosing just from Seminole County.

            I do not believe DOJ will prosecute because of the political issue created by the Sanford Police Department and its refusal to cooperate in any prosecution against GZ.

            DOJ wants clean cases without potentially explosive political issues that might derail a prosecution. They will not get involved if they believe there is a credible risk of losing.

            Therefore, I believe they will create the appearance of taking a serious look at the case, but ultimately announce what they have already decided; namely, to decline prosecution.

            Go here to see a map of the Middle District.

      • Malisha says:

        I think the day Fogen kills another Black kid, this tinderbox will erupt. Florida just doesn’t get it, that this cover-up was only a way to make him into a disaster ready to happen … to THEM.

        • cielo62 says:

          Malisha- I see that too. But I fear the white supremacists are wanting this to escalate into open confrontation. In essence, reigniting the Civil War.


        • Two sides to a story says:

          I wonder what they’ll do if Fogen kills a white kid . . . or a woman?

          • type1juve says:

            He will be punished for it, as he should have been in this case. As for if it’s a woman, it would depend on her race IMO.

    • Lord God. What is happening to that place?

    • Jasmine says:

      It is beyond scary. I mean if the police can’t protect you, who will? I know that there are some good police out there but it would be nice if they stood up against these types of things. Unfortunately, they are silent.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      This action by the sheriff deputies is horrifying. The federal government needs to oversee the Seminole Sheriff’s Department and take away its autonomy until things get straightened out and racist deputies removed.


      This link has a news article with a video of Roy Middleton’s being interviewed and pointing out all the bullet holes on her car and house.

      The names of the two sheriff deputies are Jeremiah Meeks and Matthew White.

      The bullets shattered the bones in Middleton’s left thigh. Doctors will now need to insert a metal rod in his left thigh.

    • Boyd says:

      Winning a Half-Billion dollar lawsuit and some jailed cops will fix that problem

  48. KateW says:

    If Michael Dunn is able to get off for the murder of yet another African American child, what do we think will happen?? If this continues to happen, killers assassinating African Americans and the system allows them to go free….what can be done?

    There have been other cases recently that go it right. But Florida seems to be on another level in terms of actual justice. The system is there is slanted towards a particular group of people and prejudicial towards another. So what can be done? Lets say Michael Dunn gets off, the next Fogdoo gets off, and the next and the next and the next. What can be done. Do we continue to say the system is working? Do we continue to say we have to respect the verdict? What’s the next step after protests, debates, anger, etc doesn’t work?

    • Malisha says:


      What does one do when doing all the right things just doesn’t work. Hmmmmm….

      • ks says:


        Have the usual suspects (e.g. CTH, Jeralyn/TL, etc.) now moved on the take up Dunn’s cause?

        • Two sides to a story says:

          The folks who sponsor a GZ/TM “debate” page on FB just put up a Dunn trial page. I can’t say that it looks as if Dunn is getting a lot of support by Fogen supporters, but I’m keeping my eye on it.

        • Malisha says:

          I dunno, but I doubt they will be as excited about Dunn as they were about Fogen. Fogen had some creepy “extra charm” for a lot of racists. Perhaps his wiggly little pedophilic voice (I swear, his voice makes me think I’m hearing, “you like this kinda tickling don’tcha? I have some cookies here for you … um … yeah, just reach down there for them, yeah, gooooooood…”)

          The especially creepy people somehow attract more Dershowitzes and more Merritts — don’t ask me what that’s about. Dunn, guys like him, just dull constipated hostile drunks who are still mad that mommy didn’t love them, don’t have the same je ne sais quoi as a dyed-in-the-wool pervert.

    • cielo62 says:

      Kate- I recommend a Hurricane Spell to blow the entire state out to sea.


  49. dianetrotter says:

    Professor, I know you are gigabusy; however, I do hope you will look at Sherry West who accused three black guys for coming up to kill her son. The one Robert Zimmerman talked about. It looks like Sherry may have killed the baby herself. Her 21 year old daughter said she wouldn’t put it past her.

    • I have looked at that case and it reminded of Susan Smith, the woman in South Carolina who drowned her kids in her car by driving it into a pond and then blamed their deaths on some black dude.

      Right after Sherry West reported that her baby was shot, she was asking about when the insurance policy would pay off.

      I agree. Her story is very suspicious.

      • Tzar says:

        her and her husband, the latter whom was allegedly far away from the crime scene at the time of the murder, both had gun powder residue on their hands when tested the day of the murder. This piece of evidence was just released after increasing pressure by the defense.
        West is currently in jail for stalking her husband.

        and of course the boys are on scedule to be tried.

  50. Drew says:

    Professor, Crane, Melisha, et al:

    As vehemently left-wing as I am, and as much as I believe the Dunn case will be similarly “rigged” and undermined by bad laws, deeply institutionalized racism, and color-blindness peddlers on the center-left, I still can’t bring myself to believe that the GZ trial was straight-up “fixed”, as in on purpose, by Corey, Nelson, the prosecution, etc.

    Convince me.

    • Tzar says:

      Serino and Singleton
      Enjoy the rest of your day

    • jm says:

      BDLR close.

      • Romaine says:

        did anyone else hear the comment from singleton to gz during their discussion when he asked if she ever had to shoot anyone, there is a statement made by singleton to gz; “if you are going to be one of us you are going to have to get use to it”…I didn’t trust her based on that statement alone.

        I asked myself wtf is she telling him that for…bothered me then and bothers me now

    • Malisha says:

      OK, Drew.

      1. Corey put out the charges while at the same time thanking the SPD for all their good work. Oh yes it’s political and she seemed to only mean that she didn’t want to step on their faces, but it turns out that she really meant to protect them from all outside investigation, by making sure the end result would absolve them of wrongdoing. See IF they had said, “We couldn’t arrest because we didn’t have the evidence” and then Fogen got convicted, their protestations would have been so obviously wrong that the feds could nail them without too much trouble. I THOUGHT she had gone too far when she blabbed so much about getting on her knees and praying with the Fulton-Martins. That is not her job.

      2. Nelson ruled in a very peculiar way in the jury selection and she ruled wrongly, in my opinion, on the voice experts and again very VERY wrongly on the Donnelly sequestration violation. In addition she did not monitor the jury sequestration properly and it was (it turns out, although we didn’t know it) not just flawed but actually corrupted. Her role was not terribly visible until the very end. Then she stopped pretending and her duping delight was showing.

      3. The prosecution doing such a rotten job of preparing witnesses and doing the UNTHINKABLE of not putting up a rebuttal that would have made the likes of Bertalan, Kokopelli, Osterman and Donnelly shake in their boots helped Nelson pull off her “I am just the neutral judge here” act with aplomb. She is the one who will walk the easiest, politically rise the highest, and benefit the most from what she did to us and what she did to justice, but that is always the way it is; the judges are warlords and they rule.

      There’s much more. I am working on a memorandum to DOJ to try to get the investigation to focus not on the murderer but on the SPD and the others who made a perverted vomitorium out of the “Honorable Court.”

      • Tzar says:

        take note of something Mantei said in the day following voire dire
        he reminded the judge that a juror-a black one- had been disqualified improperly but she would not rescind and told them that they could not unring the bell (I think it was the one O’Mara claimed had a Trayvon supporter friend on facebook and had “liked” a trayvon supportive post.

        It sounded like the facebook page might have been faked

        all types of shenanigans were allowed and the defense was never called to tasked, they were allowed to turn the trial into a farce.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I don’t think any in the Gunshine state gov’t will benefit for long from any of this nonsense. They who lie with dogs riseth with fleas.

      • Drew says:

        Yeah I will never understand the way those cheap witnesses were paraded out as “experts”. It’s like if I testified, in opposition to forensics, that the bullet found in Trayvon wasn’t actually shot from George’s gun because I knew George when he used to shoot water pistols only and not real guns.

        But anyway for all of that horseshit to be paraded out there as fact without much pushback from the prosecution was definitely bizarre.

        Bizarre, inept, racist, stupid – all awful things. I guess the horrifying feeling deep in my gut is that if this were truly fixed, then well we’ll unravel the truth eventually and make it better, right?


        • Like I said, there is a lot of evidence that prosecution, the SPD, and the judge, were determined to protect the SPD, even if that strategy resulted in the acquittal of the defendant.

          BDLR also clearly did not try to win the case.

          Also, the defense and 1-3 jurors were determined to acquit the defendant, regardless of the evidence.

          The acquittal is not surprising, given that scenario.

          I was shocked by the verdict because I was expecting a conviction and kept attributing innocent motives and mistakes to decisions and actions or lack of action that were so plainly wrong.

          Yes, I have been kicking myself.

          I won’t make that mistake again.

          • pat deadder says:

            Mr Leatherman says I was shocked by the verdict.I won’t make that mistake.again.IMHO that makes you a decent person.It shows that you couldn’t wrap your mind around the evil that was happening.

          • Thank you, but I will forever chastise myself for my late realization.

            With the exception of Crane’s case, I have never seen corruption like that.

            She is my Sancho Panza.

            Live and learn.

          • type1juve says:

            Professor, I think we were all shocked to see what happened before our very eyes. By the time we realized the trial was fixed it was too late. I think the fact that it was so blatant made it unbelievable initially. In retrospect it was all too obvious. Some day I will go back and review the trial tapes. I can’t bring myself to do it right now.

          • cielo62 says:

            type1juve~ I think “betrayed” is the best word to describe my initial reaction.


    • I am too biased to be the one to do that. I see things through the lens of what I saw in my own legal case, so I cannot be objective. All I can say is, the trial wasn’t just one or two things wrong. It was a huge collection, so I put it into a ‘fraud’ category and quit watching.

      • Tzar says:

        I totally get it, a good friend of mine is an attorney and she had to stop watching it too, for the same reasons

        • There was a turning point. Or a point of no return. Something changed or happened, it seemed. It came before the Rachael (Dee Dee) testimony.

          My internal bullshit alarm bell went off, for some reason. It’s interesting to know that that happened to others.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          I guess I was too hopeful or naive to see it. I felt somehow that goodness would triumph even after some of the bad decisions.

          • Tzar says:

            I did all I could to ignore the shenanigans and hope that there was enough there for a jury to be too ashamed to acquit, but hélas, they had no shame.

          • cielo62 says:

            Two Sides~ me too, buddy. Me, too. 😦


    • Convince you?

      Depends on what you require in order to be convinced.

      Co-conspirators do not sign notarized written agreements.

      Whether the various participants agreed with each other to rig the outcome before the trial began is unlikely, I think.

      However, I see substantial evidence that each of the participants were far more concerned about not attacking the Sanford Police Department or offending the defendant’s supporters than they were about obtaining a just and proper result.

      Justice for Trayvon never had a chance in that courtroom.

      • Drew says:

        I guess that’s kind of what I meant.

        Like, it wasn’t a giant conspiracy, just that there was no real interest in a legit trial and, heaven forbid, an actual guilty verdict.

    • Dan Q. Smith says:

      Allowing a white woman who had nothing to do with anything testify for Zimmerman about how those scawy blaaaaack people terrorized her? These thing don’t “just happen.” It takes corrupt people to make corrupt decisions. There were too many such decisions made in that farce of a trial for it to have been a “coincidence.” You certainly don’t understand institional rascism if you’re not able to see the role the authorities played.

      • Drew says:

        That’s kind of not what I was saying at all, but thanks?

        I have zero faith that any of the authorities involved acted with any respect for the law or TM’s life.

        What I want is semi-hard evidence that this was truly fixed. It would help me sleep at night. I’d rather be able to point at where it was fixed than just accept how fucked up our country is.

        • Hate to confirm what you already feel anxious about, but our country has gone far beyond “fucked up.” I don’t recognize it anymore.

          I feel reassured when I interact with regular people, but we don’t matter to anyone because the Wall Street banks, multinational corporations and the people who own and direct them control our two political parties, our government, the SCOTUS and the national media.

          They are interested in making more money and we are only regarded as a human resource to exploit in furtherance of that end.

    • bettykath says:

      My aha moment was on judge nelson’s face when she entered the courtroom and ruled against the inclusion of child abuse as a lesser included offense. It was solidified when she refused to include the aggression portion of the instructions. I had suspicions about the prosecution when they started showing the defendant’s statements rather than forcing him to the stand and using those statements to impeach him. I kept hoping that Bernie would somehow tie it all together in a way that would make it clear to the jury. The bits and pieces were there but it was like a puzzle you dump out of the box. All the bits and pieces are there but it isn’t a picture.

      The defense just did their job in the sleaziest way possible.

      The only witness who told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Rachel Jeantel.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      And I was so ignorant to believe that he would go to jail for murdering an unarmed teen that he chased, hunted and then killed while the kid begged for his life.

      Silly me to think that this goes so deep.

  51. Drew says:

    Imagine I was shot a few feet from my home, just as I was about to see my two kids, and at the trial of my murderer the defense brought up the fact that a white guy murdered his whole family in the next town over. Or the fact that I had a certain soft drink in my hands was even worth talking about.

    Can’t imagine it.

  52. 7score says:

    Wow!! Oh, my!!!

    Silly me! I thought I had used my allotment of tears for the month, but was sorely mistaken!

    I was the same age as Emmett Till when he was brutally murdered in 1955. Was I surprised when the jury took just over an hour to reach a not guilty verdict? No.

    Fast forward 58 years and with the entire world watching on tv and the internet, I hoped for a different outcome. Sadly, we observed in disbelief as the prosecution team presented a better case for gz’s freedom than his defense team.

    Immediately following the reading of the verdict, AC smiled in front of the camera and said …we believe we brought out the truth, as a murderer walked out the door a free man.

    Thank you, Melisha, for sharing your unique gift.

  53. bonnies says:

    Neighbors in suburban Springfield, Missouri awoke last Sunday morning to more than simply the day’s paper and a few chirping birds. The Ku Klux Klan, in the dark of night, had left fliers in front yards inviting folks to join their neighborhood watch program.
    The creepy and ironic extension of civic goodwill got area resident Steven Burchett’s day off to a bad start. He told local media that he was “furious” over the “cowardly” act.
    “A simple knock at the door, I can say I am not interested, thank you very much and go on,” said Burchett. “But instead they have to come through in the middle of the night.”
    A Springfield news team explored the neighborhood and found multiple yards that had been visited by the KKK, but no residents beyond Burchett felt comfortable enough to speak to reporters. When reporters phoned a KKK representative using the number on the flier, the spokesman explained that the racist group’s goal was to see folks organize to help police fight crime – white or black, it didn’t matter.
    But neighbors like Burchett say they can take that seemingly wholesome goal and put it, well, you know where.
    “I have no use for them people, none whatsoever,” he said. “You know this is 2013, I don’t know what to say, on how much hate and discontent can just keep on going.”

  54. Woow! says:

    The KKK was shut down in Idaho http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/kkk-aryan-nations-idaho_n_3670686.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black%20Voices

    “A flyer released by the Aryan Nations said the event was designed to attract those “tired of illegal immigration,” “hate crime legislation designed to target whites” and the “under reported non-white crime rate.”

    So now hate crime laws targets whites?
    Under reported non-white crime rate? Have these people been living under rocks?

    • Malisha says:

      No but I wish I could make them … 😆

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Um, Idaho has some really deep-down ugly folks. There’s already been a few that the Feds went after and stripped of property. That’s probably just the tip of the iceberg.

  55. J4TMinATL says:

    Exactly right Malisha! Serino and his ever changing lies are as ever changing as GZ’s lies. GZ is a WANNABE firefighter too (see below).

    Malisha wrote:

    Zimmerman told the NEN dispatcher that he was “following” Trayvon Martin.
    * Later, realizing it wouldn’t look good for him to have been “following” Trayvon Martin, he told the voice-stress-analysis guy that he was “not following” Trayvon Martin.

    2. Zimmerman told the NEN dispatcher that the police-person responding to his call should call him when they arrive so he could “tell them where I’m at.”
    * Later, realizing that didn’t look good for him either, he told the Serino that he was headed back to his truck because he had told the NEN dispatcher he would meet the police at his vehicle.

    3. Zimmerman told the NEN dispatcher “Shit, he’s running,” and “He ran.”
    * Later, realizing that wouldn’t work with the story he was selling, he told Sean Hannity that Trayvon Martin did not really “run” but that he kind of “skipped” – but not out of fear.

    P.S. “What if GZ hadn’t gotten out of his truck?”

    The Gerstle’s would be just fine. A fire extinguisher? Haven’t read that before. He is a wannabe firefighter too.


  56. Boyd says:

    Well said. Micheal Dunn will receive 2nd degree or manslaughter

  57. MDH says:

    Malisha has hit on one of the fundamental principles of white supremacy. It is up to the good people {read white} to decide what is right.

    Note how these cretins will often preface one of their tirades about the USA being post racial “we gave you equal rights back in the 1960s so it is over”

    Fundamental human rights are inalienable.

    To say that one arbitrary group can give them to another implies superiority on the part of the giver.

  58. Wanna says:

    Painful truth. Malisha nailed it, as always.

  59. a2nite says:

    Agreed, thanks Malisha.

  60. acemayo says:

    Why do whites hate back so much

    Integration Minister Cecile Kyenge, Italy’s first black minister, has been the target of racist attacks since she took office. Integration Minister Cecile Kyenge, who is originally from Democratic Republic of Congo, was appearing at a political rally in Cervia in central Italy on Friday, when someone in the audience threw bananas towards the stage, narrowly missing it.

    • Woow! says:

      That is a shame.

    • ay2z says:

      Hey, I’m white.

      Italy has a past history of facism, could that have a historical influence? Maybe they haven’t accepted the idea of immigration yet, to include blacks or other races or even other cultures, as ‘Italian’.

      Interesting question though, might reveal more of the bigger picture of the problem of perception and classification and bias..

      • Woow! says:

        I think a lot of the European countries do not accept immigration because they hear about blacks being lazy, criminals, will rape their women, bring the country down on the news and in movies or things immigrants did in other countries they migrated to.

        It is all about perception and stereotypes and since the beginning of the TV news era and movies, blacks are portrayed as bad.

        The Italians are just scared and unconsciously bigoted toward people they know nothing about.

        On the other hand they could just be typical bigot that think white it good and everyone else is second class. Who knows……..:)

        • cielo62 says:

          Woow!~ ” On the other hand they could just be typical bigot that think white it good and everyone else is second class. Who knows……..:)”

          Well the French are kind of like that: the FRENCH are good and everyone else is bad!  LOL!


  61. THE Shadow says:

    Does anyone know how the tea and Skittles remained in Martin’s pocket through out the scuffle? Also why did the prosecution not call Austin or Jeremy?

    • I think the prosecution was part of the whole hideous charade, but I admit, I quit watching toward the end, because I had a feeling the thing was fake.

      I have a feeling the last honest person we actually saw, was Judge Lester.

      • Woow! says:

        I agree with you Crane-Station. JN let the defense get away with too much and it appeared as if she was smirking and happy to tell CAC he had no further business with the court.

      • ks says:

        Yeah, I can see that and the others here who were on to it earlier than me were right.

        JL was actually pissed off the GZ’s posse blatantly lied to him and tried to perpertrate a fruand of the court and the taxpayers of fla. The nerve of him! His dismissal was very flimsy.

        Meanwhile JN took all manner of over the top disrespectful and unprofessional behavior in stride. She had a few blatant “tells” about which way she was leaning though, the Frye hearing, the squestration violations, allowing the defense to abuse the Discovery process. I only mention those because they were the obvious no-brainers that should gone the other way.

        • A piece of work. And let’s not forget the Court of Appeals granting the extraordinary writ for something the defense never used. Wow.

          • Xena says:

            The Court of Appeals also ordered that Judge Lester be recused on O’Mara’s argument that he could not be impartial in ruling on GZ’s immunity hearing — and that hearing never happened either.

          • Excellent point. O’Mara could have had that Court of Appeals deliver pizza to his client during the trial, it seems. Pretty surreal.

      • 7score says:

        I agree, but please include Richard Mantei.

        • Malisha says:

          It’s really quite possible Mantei was real. He looked like he’d been sucker punched.

          • chills101 says:

            Mantei was my favored. You can tell his heart was in the right place.

          • pat deadder says:

            Malisha says It’s possible Mantei was real.Maybe he was just a better actor.His best arguments weren’t in front of the jury.I’ve become very cynical.

        • jm says:

          Do you think Mantei and Guy were in on the fix? They did not seem to be. The only person I saw who seemed to knowingly throw the trial was BDLR.

          • pat deadder says:

            jm Do you think Mantei and Guy were in on the fix.Well they are well educated people so if they didn’t know from the start they sure as hell could have figured it out.

        • For some reason I haven’t decided that Mantei is dirty. Until I stopped watching, he seemed to be the most competent of the bunch. If I were Mantei, and I were not dirty, I would resign, and leave the area.

          But, not being there, I really don’t know all the ins and outs of the politics. He could be; I don’t know.

          • Xena says:

            IMHO, nothing the prosecution did would have made a difference. O’Mara had his butt covered in the jury room.


            Last night while watching O’Mara’s press conference on July 10th for where he states that GZ wanted to testify, I discovered something else. O’Mara spoke in past tense regarding “acquittal.” Because GZ lied to Judge Nelson saying it was his own decision not to testify, and O’Mara was the one who didn’t want him to testify, O’Mara could not afford a hung jury. He could not endure GZ claiming ineffective assistance of counsel. It had to be acquittal.

          • I can certainly follow that, thanks. Have to admit you are right.

            On the business of potential jurors lying during voir dire, I think they should sit in county jail for at least 30 days, and Fred believes they should be prosecuted for perjury. (5 years potential)

          • Xena says:

            @Crane-Station. Jury tampering is a deliberate obstruction of justice. They should be charged for obstruction, perjury, and sanctioned for committing fraud on the court.

          • Right. So, that means it will never happen, but for real. This Florida Thing is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

            I just told my nephew who I love and grew up with as a brother, about the Dunn case. He had not heard of it. I think everyone needs to hear about it.

            We cannot sit around and accept the unacceptable, and what that man, both those men did, is unacceptable. Obviously there will be no more Zimmerman trial, but that does not mean we sit here and say, “Oh well, the system works.”

            Because it doesn’t.

          • Xena says:

            This morning, I spoke with my friend who early on in GZ’s case said that he would go free because the south only convicts blacks for killing blacks. Her words, “That’s the way they do things in the south.” She said the same this morning about Dunn’s case; i.e., “He will go free because he’s white and killed a black teen.”

            Corey’s office seems to have its hands tied by racist bigoted juries.

      • 7score says:

        Clarification — I think Mantei is one of the good guys. Include him with JL.

        • Yeah, I agree. But as always, with the courts, I am totally open to being wrong. I felt that Mantei was sincere, and that his effort was heartfelt.

          • jm says:

            Mantei seemed sincere and upset that they lost. Do you suppose they (Corey, BDLR) kept him out of the loop? I also wondered about John Guy who also did a good job (as opposed to BDLR). Do you think he was in on the fix?

          • The reason I didn’t think John Guy was in on it is, Angela Corey replaced him in Dunn. That she replaced him, on the heels of this spectacular failure in Sanford, worries me. There was no good reason for John Guy’s replacement, other than politics. I guess we’ll get to see what those politics really are.

          • jm says:

            I hope we find out sooner than later. I really liked John Guy.

          • Malamiyya says:

            Guy did not do a good job. He made promises in his opening that he couldn’t keep and didn’t try to keep. He got simple facts wrong, like Rachel’s age. He didn’t pick up the misalignment of the holes in Trayvon’s shirts and his body, even though the defense’s star witness handed it to him on a platter. His closing was emotional but not substantive and it didn’t pull together the shambles of BDLR’s summation. I believe Mantei was sincere, but Guy was either stupid, ill-prepared or in on the fix.

          • Okay, thanks for this summary on Guy. I had missed that.

          • kllypyn says:

            i’ve always thought the police and the prosecution was supposed to speak for the victim. I guess not in trayvon’s case even he was heard screaming desperately for his life prior to his death.

      • pat deadder says:

        Oh Crane-Station I too didn’t watch the end of the trial and also believe Lester could not be bought.I didn’t witness JN smirk when fogen was excused.That would have been the last straw.And happy belated birthday and many more to come.You have the most entries in my book of funnies from this blog that have made me laugh till tears came down my cheeks so I go back and reread them.So I got a gift from you.The humor was necessary in this sea of bullshit.

        • Thank you, and my pleasure. Random satire:

          “And then, we pumped out this impossible-to-use fucking piece of shit.”

          • pat deadder says:

            omg Crane that is piss your pants funny.I just showed it to my 18 year old Granddaughter who now thinks I’m cool.

          • cielo62 says:

            Pat~ Amazing what it takes to be cool, huh? I LOVE The Onion’s shit!


          • Oh, yes, something like this would be sure to win the heart of an 18-year-old. It is literally the absolute best satire on tech gadgetry I have ever seen in my life.

            “I just love bullshit like this. I can’t wait to get home and spend my whole goddamn night trying to figure the fucking thing out.”


      • ladystclaire says:

        @Crane-Station, the prosecution was definitely involved in the fix and, so was JN who we all kind of looked up to. also, the little tit for a tat between she and Pest, were also part of the fix.

      • bettykath says:

        I think Rachel should be on the list of honest people.

    • roderick2012 says:

      Does anyone know how the tea and Skittles remained in Martin’s pocket through out the scuffle?

      I always believed that George placed both the Skittles and can of iced tea into Trayvon’s hoodie pocket AFTER he had shot him so he could claim that Trayvon used the can of iced tea to bash him in the head. Of course it still would not explain how Trayvon had time to put the can of iced tea back into his hoodie pocket after he had slammed George’s head onto the concrete, punched him multiple times, smothered George but before George shot him given George’s short time line. Or even why Trayvon would have bothered placing it back into his hoodie.

  62. Woow! says:

    He will get off too, this is Florida we are talking about. Dunn said the magic words… I thought I saw the barrel of a shot gun.

    That is all the Florida KKK needed to hear. I have scanned a few blogs and it amazes me that some folks think

    1. The boys should not have said nothing back to Dunn
    2. They are tired of hearing that god awful music and he should have shot them for having to hear it
    3. The boys were disrespectful to Dunn and did not know their place
    4. They deserved it because if they are not criminals now they would be in a few years anyway so Dunn saved the tax payers money.. WTF at that one
    5. Blacks are racist against whites
    6. Those boys drove away and hid the shot gun
    7. Dunn has has got to be happy about the Zimmerman verdict. He now has a good chance of being acquitted
    8. Florid is the best state to commit the murder of a black man if your white.

    • Girlp says:

      It’s safe to murder anybody in Florida AA are at the top of the list, also a safe haven for pedofiles. They are corrupt and the people don’t seem to care.

    • I wonder. Does ‘I thought I saw a shotgun’ apply to using both hands, after reloading a pistol, to fire several times into the rear of a fleeing vehicle?

      • aussie says:

        Yeah, you’d think if they did have a shotgun, they would have fired back at him by then.

        Actually what’s missing from the law is the concept that the OTHER PERSON should have DONE something to cause your fear. Being paranoid should not be an acceptable defence.

      • Girlp says:

        In Florida this man shot a door to door salesman in the back when he fell he shot him in the back of the head…said he felt threaten so they gave him SYG. I refuse to ever set foot in Florida again.

    • Malisha says:

      Woow, if you look at these two:

      “4. They deserved it because if they are not criminals now they would be in a few years anyway so Dunn saved the tax payers money.. WTF at that one
      “5. Blacks are racist against whites”

      you get mental whiplash.

      If somebody says it’s OK to kill me tomorrow because I might commit a crime next year, why in the WORLD wouldn’t I hate them?

      • Xena says:

        @Malisha. White Supremacists, regardless if they carry that label or sovereign citizens or Tea Party, are trying to provoke someone who is Black, or a group, to start teaching Blacks to be submissive to Whites.

        What that conveys is as long as there is one Black person who commits crime, they are holding the entire Black race responsible and will kill young Black males in retaliation.

      • Woow! says:

        The scary part is those people actually believe what they are saying and finding wrong with it.

        • Kelly Payne says:

          they also totally gloss over the fact that whites commit crimes too.

        • pat deadder says:

          Woow says The scary part is these people actually believe what they are saying.IDK I wish I could get into the minds of these people.Do the few with power go after the white poor people with not much education and convince them it is the fault of the Blacks.It would take a smarter person than me to figure out the mindset of these racist people.Were they taught this from childhood and didn’t have the ability to rethink what they were taught.Shouldn’t their religious leaders be speaking up.You know Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You.I just don’t understand .Decent white people need to embarrass these people,make fun of them..I know that sounds harsh but this has become a desperate situation.The racist LE need to be weeded out but first their superiors need to be held accountable or should it start with convincing the population to stop this then racist people would no longer get in power. At this time it seems one has to be a racist to get elected in some parts of the country.

      • bettykath says:

        The rot starts at the head. Many of the men in Guantanamo are still there, not b/c of what they have done, but b/c of the fear of what they may do if they are sent home.

        • bettykath says:

          The drones killed two American citizens without charges, without trial, for what they might do. The mentality is rampant.

  63. jm says:

    I am wondering if ShelLIE gets a perjury pass being she was protecting GZ, the “good guy”.

    This should prove to be interesting. Can the “fix” be in for ShelLIE too?

  64. That sentence/comment from Serino on that night was one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard a cop say. Combine that with the witness tampering, the total lack of investigation, no tox screen, no car photo, no nothing, and I can only conclude that he was part of it.

    I have had police officer friends in the past and I am sure that some cops lurk on this blog occasionally- who would be embarrassed to associate with the likes…

  65. Jasmine says:

    Another thing is that Blacks seem to be the only race who has to explain away and answer for the crimes of other people who share the same race. They said it during the trial-Young Black males were burglarizing the neighborhood and Trayvon had to have been one of them and had to pay the price for what other Black males had done.
    That is why bringing up ‘well look at black on black crime’ annoys me so much.

    • Drew says:

      Also, “black on black crime” occurs at the same rate as white on white or other races.

      It’s stupid.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Drew, those who are always pointing the racist finger at black on black crime, ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO DISCUSS, WHITE ON WHITE CRIME. they want to say that blacks commit most of the crimes in this country, which we all know is a damn lie. they also want to say that black on white crime is at an all time high.

        I don’t know where these people get this bs from but, just watch the ID CHANEL and, you will see who commit most of the “MURDERS” in this country. Sherry West and her boyfriend of the Brunswick Ga. 13 month old kid, being shot in the face, have both been found to have GUN POWDER RESIDUE ON THEIR HANDS! why have this not been widely reported by the media and, why are those two boys still in jail?

        These two people IMO killed that child, for the insurance money and, she picked those two kids out of photos shown to her by LE. also, her crying in front of the media, “DID NOT PRODUCE ANY TEARS, WHAT SO EVER!” she never claimed the baby’s cremated remains and, she was eager to leave Georgia just as soon as she could. this woman’s own daughter who was taken from her when she was eight years old, says that her mother is suspicious and, then what do you know, the daughter hit the nail on the head.

        This woman killed her own baby and, then she did what countless others have done through the ages. “BLACK MAN DID IT BUT, IN THIS CASE, SHE FINGERED TWO BLACK TEENS.” frankly I’m tired of these white women offing their own off spring and, then blaming black men for what they know is their crime.

        • Jasmine says:

          Don’t even get me started. Man the numbers will never add up. Blacks are only 13% of the population but we are the most violent. I would rather see the hard numbers. Plus they never add in all the unsolved crimes and people who had disappeared without a trace so how can we have a true accounting of crimes? We cannot and do they alter those stats after someone who has spent 20 years in prison for a crime that they didn’t commit? There are too many things left out.
          And why aren’t there that many articles about baby Santiago’s parents and the gun shot residue? I have found very little. Why aren’t they being investigated about how the dad has residue on him but he wasn’t even there, supposedly, when the shooting happened?

  66. Jasmine says:

    Malisha is right on the money. And that, that is what makes the system a ‘just us’ system. It was not made for Blacks so how can it protect Blacks.
    My cousin and I were goofing off and she said ‘what did I do wrong?’ I said ‘were you born Black?’ She said ‘well yeah’ and I said ‘well there you go’. Being born Black is being born guilty. Of what we don’t actually know but you, YOU, have to prove that you are innocent.

  67. Girlp says:

    Good post and you are right cielo62 the south still does not get it. This is the central part of Florida and I have been told this area of Florida is extremle racist also the panhandle. I don’t expect this case to be won but one can alway’s hope there are other cases in Florida where a victim was unarmed even shot in the back and the back of the head; because they feared bodily harm the jury let them off using SYG. The supremecist have been embolden by the teaparty which has taken over the Republican party some have said eventually one or two things will happen here the teaparty will cause the Republican party to implode or the Republicans will have to kick the teaparty out. I think there is a third scenario that the Republicans become the teaparty and they may just get their states rights in full.

    • a2nite says:

      The TBags are the RW racist R party. That is why R dominated legislatures are so messed up.

      • Girlp says:

        They are unpopular right now even though they are repeatdly voted back into office….fear works and they have the majority afraid of black and brown people and the LBGT community as well.

        • pat deadder says:

          Girlp but isn’t it called Gerry mandering or something that districts are split to favor Republicans.My god Florida sound like a state of Archie Bunkers except it’s not funny.It’s a matter of life and death.

          • Girlp says:

            Yes, and that is happening everywhere there is a Republican Governer, congress and senate. Also, voting restrictions they would make our Government a one party system if they could.

          • Plantain Republic says:

            And Florida is TEAMING with sun loving Canadians, who don’t appear to be prepping for a mass exodus back across the border. Gotta have priorities.

        • a2nite says:

          Doesn’t matter because the fix is in for the evil racist RW he-man woman hating R’s

          • pat deadder says:

            Plantain Florida is teaming with sun loving Canadians who don’t appear to be prepping for a mass exodus.I know I know.I see this on a daily bases from my customers at work.One even suggested I buy something there for the winter.I almost lost it and only said no I have no desire to live where murder is legal.

    • bettykath says:

      Actually, the Republican party is in such chaos that it’s ripe for takeover. The parties may have heads, but the delegates are local. Local organizing by Blacks, Hispanics, and like-minded whites could infiltrate the local organizations en masse and change the entire dynamic. It wouldn’t be easy with the feds listening in to everything and not wanting to upset the status quo, but that’s how Michelle Bachman got her position. She was the sweetheart of people who were previously never active in the party.

  68. Drew says:

    Good professor, it’s already rigged. These kids – WHO WERE SHOT AT 8 TIMES – have already been scrutinized for doing nothing.

  69. cielo62 says:

    The South LOST, and they STILL don’t get it!

    • fauxmccoy says:

      there’s a reason why they say ‘the south will rise again’. it’s not a joke, either.

      • lurker says:

        While it is tempting to see this as a Southern problem, I don’t see that particular limitation. I see our divisions as the means by which those at the top divert attention from the upward flow of wealth.

        While plantation owners may have onced played poor white crackers against former slaves, Northern industrialists played immigrant groups against blacks from the Northern migration to bust unions.

        • This is why today African immigrants and the elite West Indian immigrants (as opposed to Haitian refugees, etc.) are encouraged to see themselves as different from the indigenous black population. It is only after a second generation or numerous years of being treated like the indigenous black that these immigrants begin to have the same health disparities the white supremacist power structure blames on bad black culture lifestyle choices.

    • Xena says:

      Wish that big corporations would start moving out of the south to the north and relocate their employees. Boycott the south.

      • Girlp says:

        Xena they are not going to leave anytime soon cheap labor practically no unions and no threat of unions most are right to work states. I’ve lived in the south all my life and many here will actually take a cut in pay for their company however fewer people are taking it anymore.

        • Xena says:

          @Girlp. Well, that’s not going to work, but here’s another idea. The States should set aside an area. All identified sovereign citizens should be allowed to moved into that area. No police should be provided in those areas. Let them kill off each other.

          • type1juve says:

            Good idea Xena! Why should normal people have to suffer their ignorance?

          • Xena says:


            Why should normal people have to suffer their ignorance?

            The sad truth is that they attract normal folks who are angry and by the time most wake-up, they are a target for sovereign citizen spite.

            I can tell you many true stories.

          • Girlp says:

            Sounds good to me. I still can’t understand how the Republicans manage to get people to vote against their own best interest ;a shame .

          • Xena says:


            I still can’t understand how the Republicans manage to get people to vote against their own best interest ;a shame .

            Because they divert their attention to vote according to how they judge others, and laws to control others.

            Back in 1999, a diehard Republican tried to convince me who I should vote for. (I’m Independent.) He said he was voting for Bush because he is against abortion and gay rights. I asked that man if he planned on getting pregnant, and if he was homosexual. He answered no to both questions, and then I asked why was he willing to vote according to issues that did not pertain to him?

            It turned into an interesting conversation, and walked away somewhat humiliated. 🙂

          • ladystclaire says:

            @Xena, @type1juve @Girlp, it is so awful that from the very beginning of this farce of a trial, that even Stevie Wonder could see exactly where this trial was heading. first of all, the prosecution was more than happy with an “ALL WHITE” jury and, they knew that juror B37 was a defense plant. also,why in the hell did they use all of Fogen’s friends as witnesses for the state? just look at how they allowed Don Pest to grill Rachel for as long as he did.

            Poor Sybrina, Tracy, Jahvaris and the rest of their family, who was present when Angela Corey prayed with those sweet parents. they just did not know, that they were giving thanks to GOD in prayer with bowed heads and humbled hearts thinking that, they would surely get justice for their murdered son, “LITTLE DID THEY KNOW THAT THEY WERE PRAYING WITH THE DEVIL IN THE PERSON OF ANGELA COREY.”

            This woman knew that, there wasn’t going to be a conviction for the person who took the life of their son/brother and, yet she and her lead prosecutor gave that family nothing but false hope. why in the hell would they want to take part in this farce of a trial, knowing what the out come was going to be?

            The only hope that we have now, lies with the DOJ, who is our very last chance of getting any semblance of justice for Trayvon, and his family. the state of Florida let their native son Trayvon Benjamin Martin down and, they didn’t care to do so. how in the hell do these people sleep at night and, how can they stand the red blood stained hands, that will surely be with them for the rest of their lives? lets keep up with the boycott of that state because, from what I’ve read on facebook, Sanford is really feeling their ass being pinched, instead of allowing Fogen’s ass feeling that pinched for once in his “CRIMINAL MISERABLE LIFE!”

          • Xena says:

            @ladystclaire. I’m not quick to blame the prosecution for GZ’s acquittal. Yes, I believe that Juror B37 was an O’Mara plant and I plan on watching the voir dire of B51, B76 and E6 to see if I can detect any “code speech.” He tried it with E40 but she was not the stealth O’Mara was looking for.

            Did the prosecution fail to argue some important points, such as the fact that Trayvon did not have door keys on him? Yes! Did they ask Chad how Trayvon was suppose to enter the house? No! Did they call Brandy Green to testify as to how Trayvon entered the house? No.

            There’s too much to put here, but overall, if Jesus Christ himself appeared in that courtroom and told the jury that Trayvon didn’t give GZ any reason to kill him, O’Mara would have picked up that slab of concrete and thrown it at Jesus Christ. West would have tried cross-examining him about how he obtained his knowledge, and the jury would have still decided that not even Jesus Christ could interpret the law for them.

          • aussie says:

            Minor minor issue — non-issue really — about keys. Ir was just mentioned in the report of evidence that Trayvon had no keys on him.

            BUT. Every house there has keypad locks. Keys were not needed. Go look at the pictures or the real estate sales sites.

            Even if keys were needed, his not having any just shows he may have had difficulty getting into the house. That assumes he had some kind of duty to go inside. That is a version of “his fault for not going straight home when he had 4 minutes to do so”.

          • Xena says:


            Even if keys were needed, his not having any just shows he may have had difficulty getting into the house. That assumes he had some kind of duty to go inside. That is a version of “his fault for not going straight home when he had 4 minutes to do so”.

            We must keep the chronological order of events in mind.


            In order for Trayvon to use the keypad on the garage, he would have to walk around the corner from the dog walk to Retreat View Circle. Now, go to what GZ told Singleton and Serino as they had him listen to his NEN call. GZ said that when he was told “We don’t need you to do that,” that he was on Retreat View Circle. GZ also said that he was going “in the same direction” as Trayvon. GZ assumed that Trayvon was heading to the back gate. GZ was going in the same direction in the sense that he was heading to the back gate.

            I believe that Trayvon waited on the dog walk behind the house to make sure that the creepy pervert in a vehicle wasn’t coming down Twin Trees Lane. Trayvon did not know that the creepy guy had gotten out of his vehicle and was following him on foot.

            When he saw no vehicles coming down Twin Trees Lane, Trayvon walked around the corner to the front of the house. That agrees with what he told Rachel about seeing the creepy guy again. Trayvon then walked back around the corner to the dog path. It then makes sense that he would tell Rachel that the guy was behind him again.

      • pat deadder says:

        Xena What state is it that has universal health care.I think it’s the state where Bernie Sanders is.Maybe businesses could move there and not have to worry about health care costs.IDK just a thought.

        • Xena says:

          @pat deadder. I think it’s Mass.

          There’s another idea along the lines of Native American tribes. When Whites murder Blacks, there should be a Black tribunal to prosecute. If White Supremacists do not want Blacks to be included in their society, then when they commit crimes against Blacks, let them judged by a court of Blacks.

          • pat deadder says:

            Xena Let them be judged by a court of Blacks.I luv that idea.Not a hope in hell.

        • cielo62 says:

          pat~ Massachusetts. Started under Mitt Romney who then repudiated it when it was held up as an example of what Obamacare could be.


      • pat deadder says:

        Xena I agree corporations should move out of the south but relocating the employees not so much.Does the north want those kind of people.Sadly I;m painting everyone with the same brush and I know everyone in the south are not racists.Let the companies hire people from where they move to.It will never happen anyway greed is very powerful.

      • bettykath says:

        One problem is that several states in the south don’t have a minimum wage or their minimum is as low as $2. The only corporations that have to pay minimum wage are those that take federal money. That means that workers in retail and the service industries and industries w/o a federal contract can pay whatever they want.

  70. jm says:

    Great insightful post by Malisha, as usual.

  71. Two sides to a story says:

    Powerful truth, as always, Malisha.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      PS – I think there will be strong attempts to whitewash Dunn but his crime is so blatant that I think it will be a tough sell, even in the Gunshine state.

      • Dan Q. Smith says:

        Maybe but the murder of Trayvon Martin was on freakin tape and people still bought the lie.

        • pat deadder says:

          Dan Q says The murder of TM was on tape and people still bought the lie.With all due respect they didn’t buy the lie they were and are racists.They were not so stupid to buy his bullshit lies.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      We’re still fighting for the U.S.A. and for the republic for which it stands (or stood). While short sighted idiots are working to undermine it, not realizing the dangers it exposes them to. They expect, for example, to still have the right to speak freely, after the Constitution is abandoned and trashed. They expect their new leadership will allow them that, but they haven’t yet given any thought as to why that would happen.

      If they thought about it, they’d realize that no one who assumes power, without being bound by the Constitution, will have any reason to grant them the “dangerous” rights enshrined therein, because that would put a check on power they came by, through the irrational use of empty words and skewed ideals.

      If one wins, at all costs, by breaking the rules, why would they then turn around and enforce the very rules that would have ensured that they lose?

      These fools are fighting for a “lose lose” situation. Once people are appointed to positions that require real expertise, but are merely selected because they are loyal, the wheels come off the economy and everybody has to suffer deprivation. Worse, there is no turning back, because no one, but no one, would ever even think of granting the public the powers listed in the Bill of Rights, ever again! [b]”When the government fears the people we have democracy! When the people fear the government… yada, yada, yada!”[/b]

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