Tuesday, July 2, 2013
Good morning:
Court will resume this morning at 9 am EDT with Mark O’Mara’s cross examination of Chris Serino, the man who was in charge of the Sanford Police Department’s investigation of the Trayvon Martin homicide.
Court recessed for the day yesterday after Serino admitted that he believed George Zimmerman was telling the truth.
Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbcnews.com/52117880/
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Guy didn’t ask her about the blood trails and gravity. **sigh**
Bush-logic: We can can attack Iraq because they might have a nuclear weapon someday. So obviously, GZ gets to shoot TM because, you know, an asshole might try to hurt you in the future.
OMara with his twisted questioning. What is it called? Oh yes….BS
“sophistry”
1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.
example: see O’Mara, Mark
😉 sophisticated and trickery
Why isnt the state objecting, again this is all speculation. All these scenarios again with what could possibly be. Why are they letting this guy run with it. OBJECT!!
Kate~ Because it shows 1. the defense is desperate and 2. head wounds like what gz claims are impossible no matter HOW you spin it.
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she’s laughing at him. she knows what he is doing. distorting.
court ordered head shave, please!
Poor MOM
Lets go fishing.
His double sided questioning doesnt seem to be working. He is getting frustrated. But man come on….injuries could have been created by rocks and debris in the grass!! Someone help me out here.
Ha! When OMara is got he says “lets move on”: or “anyway”
Concrete, that he (GZ) probably fell on while in hot pursuit of Trayvon, or while trying to detain him. Isn’t there a possibility that it happened this way?
OMara’s coming for her but man she is holding up well. He is trying to say the medical examiner is in cahoots with Angela Corey.
None of the injuries were life-threatening – BUSTED LIAR!!!!!!!!!
Got here late… one of the first crunch times?
Cmon they need to say those injuries can be from rocks and debris in the grass. Not necessarily concrete. Cmon, dont open the door for the defense to say it was still impact from concrete.
Meet the State’s STAR witness……. yo
word!
Yes, this is what I have been waiting for. The medical examiner. Cmon prosecution get this right!
I have a good feeling about the medical examiner.
So glad to see Mr. Guy @ the podium.
Tell me this fool didn’t just chuckle at the end of that clip then lean over as if to say, “I looked pretty good there, huh?”
Yes he did, DISGUSTING!!! and SHAMEFUL!!!
One of fogen’s tells is smiling/smirking. He did it on the hannity interview whenever he told a big one.
LOL that Faux interview was priceless!
Hannity interview next!
Just a reminder that TM’s dna was ruled out as possible contributing to any dna found on GZ’s gun. They found GZ’s dna and an unknown sample, possibly Tim Smith who handled the gun on the scene. But Trayvon was ruled out so bam! Thanks Osterman.
West’s daughters are fugly inside out.
Now we know why the defense has been docile since Monday.
can somebody find the motion from this morning or a link to this morning because I missed it…
Found a story on the motion relating to the West ice cream picture:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/state-files-motion-over-zimmerman-defense-attorney-daughters-celebration-cones/-/1637132/20802368/-/9e7f34/-/index.html
A link to the motion is inside the article.
I like Mantei’s signature.
Mantei is a cutie
Yup.
Thanks for the link.
Thank you, Rodlen.
Thank you, Rodlen
Loving the motion. Perhaps JN will admonish visitors and ban West’s family from the courtroom.
Under comments people are complaining about Sabrina and Tracy chewing gum. Someone said JN was chewing gum and they brought up West and his whatever. It really doesn’t look good. I wish they all would wait until court is over. Put a mint in your mouth.
dianetrotter~ Support alphamonster!! (that’s me 🙂
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degraveegmailcom says:
July 2, 2013 at 11:14 am
Aha the Leather holster? He’s out!
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What be holster that thee talkin aboot
The cheap nylon weave one costa bout ten bucks foggagge had be no where near leather an Im glad at least he wasn’t using the skin of a dead Animal
Left that for his foot stommpin prolly steel toecap construction/hiker/buttkicking boots.
To vist a store an shop you need those kickass BOOTS I DONT THINK SO.
Noon break…. after that witness, a little Papa choice ‘live’.
Osterman about his best ever friend:
“I ain’t nothing but his fool…. he had me where he wanted me.
Good!
But what does that mean?
Great….they looked like some Jr. Hi cheerleaders for “their” team; really sickening. Maybe that’s explanation why Capt. W has been sidelined.
on another matter signatures over 16,500
Delighted the State may be taking steps. That cone licker and post was the most tasteless, racist, unprofessional stunt related to the defense bar quite possibly in Florida history.
I am going to start a new thread for the afternoon session.
Is it called Robots shed no tears?
eeeEE ah ah idid, well that’s explains a lot oysterboi.
has oysterboi been asked he and sheLies moved fogens car?
Didn’t hear that. But he put his arm around her to keep her from blacking out.
right at the end Bernie had oysterboi read from page 29 of his book about fogen spreading out Trayvons’ hands and holstering his gun.
Bernie asked him did fogen have ‘The Gun’ in his hands when he spread Trayvons’ hands.
Oysterboi tried to explain eeee ah ah ididi
Like Shellie “worked on” Fogen’s bruises. These folks have their odd ways, don’t they?
but I suppose child murders like kcswamphagtrunkmom an foggagge bring out the cursive in me ironic I cursive in print.
U CRACK ME UP, COLIN! 😆
Some real irony. West’s daughters are grown–about Z’s age.
His response was that sometimes your chlidren say and do things that you would rather that they didn’t.
You mean like calling a creepy-assed stalker a cracka?
West’ daughters- 20-23 = children
Trayvon Trayvon Martin-17- adult black male
SG2~ Amazing, aint it?
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YEP
Noon Recess.
Court will resume at 1:30 pm EDT
An by the way ladies I never swear or curse when I talk its not polite annot me.
But just as People want to reclaim the taboo N word.
I know women whom reclaim an use the C word an more power to them
Im neither rude nor crude in my talkink voice Im a hundred times sharper then in test or print.
Forgotten. Forgiven
🙂
He is going to regret writing that book.
BDLR: Look at your book … page 29
The issue of the holstering will return!
C’mon you wrote a book about it, how could you not remember?
The hands weren’t pinned down!!! DO THEY NOT GET THAT YET???
Ahhhh, the beauty of keeping the potential witnesses from watching the trial before they are called!
oh now he remembers.
I’m sure Fogen is beaming some info into Oysters brain, I’m sure he’s capable of doing so since he was also able to magically transport his car and his person and Martin from the mailboxes to the T in a split second…
Osterman is eager to help his BFFL (Best Friend for Life), but he has helped the prosecution.
he just said before he had the gun and gz took the gun from him …
this guy is just guessing ffs….bernie is smart to just let him keep talking
Arent they allowed to bring in Osterman and his buddys trouble over the stolen cars? This would show the jury this guy isn’t the awesome “cop” he claims to be, or a good judge of character.
i don’t think they need to…he made himself look like a bumbling comedy cop anyway tehehe
CAC, MO, and Taafy — the THREE STOOGES
My cousins funeral will be Friday. Here all the time I thought he passed away in New Mexico and instead he was in Tijuana Mexico at the time. They had a hard time getting him back to the States. *sigh*
I’m so sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss…
Thank you in advance for all those who have said this last week and this week.
His name is
Antonio Ortiz
and my Family gives Thanks!
smokeegyrl~
Prayer for All the Deceased >By Thy resurrection from the dead, O Christ, death no longer hath dominion over those who die in holiness. So, we beseech Thee, give rest to Thy servants in Thy sanctuary and in Abraham’s bosom. Grant it to those, who from Adam until now have adored Thee with purity, to our fathers and brothers, to our kinsmen and friends, to all men who have lived by faith and passed on their road to Thee, by a thousand ways, and in all conditions, and make them worthy of the heavenly kingdom.
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@Smokee,
I ask the Great Creator for blessings on Antonio Ortiz and all those he loved, and on those who loved him, and to receive Antonio into Eternal Joy. Give comfort to his family and friends.
smokeegyrl~ Gain, deepest condolences. Yes, foreign countries can be stubborn about letting bodies through. Drug runners have been known to use that as a cover. I’m sorry though that it only adds to a family’s grief. In my culture, he would have already been buried. I don’t understand American customs at all.
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I wish you long life.
Good Morning all, Good Afternoon Eastcoasters
Oh I meant to say I suspect shelies home nurseing study course has as much cred as foggagges judge ambitions.
At law scool ie none otherwise why place tampons on his head unless?
I thought tampons were for menstateing ie a bleeding Vagina in cycle
So if she saw foggggagge bleeding boo boos an used her flyladywing san towels on his fat head
It implies to moi
An pardon moi Francie but did she think he was a bleeding khunt?
hahaha yes i thought they looked more like sanitary napkins…very appropriate indeed haha
“I meant to say I suspect shelies home nurseing study course has as much cred as foggagges judge ambitions.”
And about as credible as Mark Osterman’s self-trumpeted, self-published book.
“I may have heard wrong or may have documented it wrong.”
Osterman, oh ohsterman…. ‘documented’ it wrong? didn’t you just emphasize that your book was based on your memory only, that you never took notes. That means ‘no documentation’
he’s loving it isn’t he…i hope the prosecution are paying this guy, he’s brilliant haha
Is his book listed as fiction then?
Self-published junk.
They only talked about it once and then MO wrote his book after he could no longer contact Zim (after 2nd arrest).
Maybe BDLR can ask him why he decided to write the book.
Tell me how the FUCK Zimmerman’s best friend is a better witness against him that the damn cops whose job it was to check out his story???
I’m wondering that too.
Truly amazing, isn’t it? With a pal like this, Fogen doesn’t need law enforcement enemies.
What’s with the leather holster?
Leather?
Didn’t we see a fabric holster? Like nylon? (Same nylon as luggage.) With some Velcro or something?
yeah … and a strap to hold the non existent hammer on the POS keltek 9
And MO was his BFFGB (BFF Gun Buddy) who knows CAC’s gun and holster better than anybody.
one would think : /
Medicine Bear~ Do I detect a double entendre there, or am I just lurking in the gutter? 🙂
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he’s sweating like crazy….hmmm….
like a whore in church lmao!
Mark Osterman is goldmine for the prosecution. GZ’s story crumbling.
Agree. Bernie did this on purpose. Keep in mind MOM boxed Serino into saying the body.could have ended up that way per Zimmerman’s first story only for Oysterman to come along and say Martin literally got up and turned 90 degrees. Which one is it MOM? Please jurors, be smart!!!
Tracy has that look that says, “I cannot believe what I am hearing.”
For sure, he would rather be anywhere else….Prayers.
Struggling is different that talking. Zimmerman specifically said he struggled and had to restrain him.
And yet, he still didn’t know he shot him? That was a LIE!
Gotta wonder why Trayvon would “fall over 90 degrees” immediately after the gunshot, unless he had been shot….
😯
But, then, GZ obviously ain’t the sharpest tool in the box!
Sophia~ Forgive me for being gross, but the “struggling” may have nothing more than involuntary muscle spasms once Trayvon died.
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PLEASE show fogen and Osterman at the station, I beg of you. I want the jury to see how “upset” fogen was as he bounced up the stairs. I swear this will impact the jury, as it did me.
Yeah, with his sunglasses in check….worn on his “broken” nose…
i never saw this footage….was it the day after?
Osterman: Trayvon would have been able to speak for another 6-8 seconds
I love this guy
part time trauma surgeon part time air marshal
full time bullshit artist
You said it, but you forgot author. smh
also: man of mystery
And in those 6-8 seconds he would search his memory for poor dialogue of bad guys dying in B-movie Westerns.
part-time fiction writer
part-time commentator
part-time life coach
lol @ life coach
where does one get certification for that?
Osterman’s an idiot but hey, he may have killed other black teenagers before so he should know
He jumped on top of him to pin his hands down– Osterman said George said.
Poor Tracy….
Babble … babble … babble. Somewhere within this babbling brook, BDLR will pull what he needs to do some precision gutting.
Aha the Leather holster? He’s out!
No leather strap “to hold the gun in” on this holster either.
This man is a joke. I hope the jurors BS radar is working. Listening to this man try to explain why the child killer did the things he did, is sickening!
The jury has good BS detectors — uteri and XX chromosomes!
lol
you specifically said between the hammer and some other point…yeah he said he grabbed the gun…
of course this guy knows exactly how long trayvon could talk for….interesting
Pretty long love fest.
Only Blahk Children mounting foggaggge are in his dreams
An in reality when the JURY FORE PERSON HANDS THE VERDICT TO J NELSON
It will be his last stand.
Better learn to kneel at the feet of a Minorite prolly a MEXICAN HAS FIRST DIBBS ON HIS FAT BUTT
He is about to become Carlos own personal BOUNCY CASTLE.
Enjoy the rest of your miserable life you sock cucker
Bouncy castle! My sides hurt from laughing!
Maybe BDLR called him to encourage GZ to testify. This guys is doing him no favors.
Now Bernie objects.
Losing oxygen? LOL. Then how was he able to do all that screaming?
Sabryna and Traci are writing notes probably astonished at all the good lies Osterman is telling for Fogen. Saying, thank goodness he spews these inconsistencies before lunch don’t want to vomit during the lunch recess.
The prosecution is scoring big time!
Tracy was shaking his head, at one point that I saw.
OY: “I guess his knees came up a little higher …”
MOM: How long on the struggle?
OY: “20 … 30 seconds? He did not say how long.”
Well, which was it?
He is giving his ‘expert opinion’.
I don’t understand (but hope the State gets to it eventually) why the State doesn’t bring up two key points. 1. He was following. 2. He got out of his truck to get an address.
1. He admits to following which make him the aggressor. 2. GZ claims he got out of his truck to get an address and says he told dispatch to meet him at the truck.
Oops, hit submit before I was done. 2. Gets out to get address and claims (in reenactment) he told dispatch to meet him at his truck. First, we know he told dispatch to have police call him when they got there. Second, we know that when dispatch asked him for an address that he never gave them one, even though he claims he was on RVC when dispatch asked him this and he turned to walk back to his truck
This guy is doing a proxy testimony for George. He knows EVERY single little detail off pat… it is as if George were on the stand… a fucking farce considering self serving statements were barred!
Fogen’s alter ego and chief scriptwriter.
This witness is a strange man.
Osterman’s story still has the shooting at the sidewalk, where it wasn’t.
Professor:
What is the point of the prosecution doing this?
jm says:
July 2, 2013 at 10:59 am
Did ShelLIE wear a cape to once she transformed to superhero nurse?
Seriously if she is questioned can prosecution ask about her nursing background/expertise/school?
its TRAYVONS FAULT FOR TAKEING THE DOG PATH IS WHY HE DIED
did I just hear that it was TRAYVONS FAULT FOR not walking through to retreat view circle
now ive herd it all???????????????????????????/
Am I missing something? When did Shellie make the trip from SPD to home to get GZ fresh clothes then return to SPD with them that night, so SPD could bag Zimmerman’s clothes as evidence — where was Osterman during that time????
I hate him calling him “Trayvon”.
So MO was at the police station in his capacity as a federal officer and a friend. I am wondering how TSA is going to handle this b/c he has said he is an Air Marshall, there goes the anonymity.
Did that fool just say CAC went down the dog path?
Yes he did, then realized his slip up.
Bwa-ha-ha.
this guy is nervous and twitchy like a rabbit….
gee you can see they’ve had many a crime fighting conversation since they both talk in the same lingo
Wiped his forehead with a hanky at least once.
Dispatcher: “let me know if he does anything else”
Except don’t let me know that he’s circling your vehicle while you’ve got me on the line!
Observation?
I don’t understand what was the State’s move with this guy either. They didn’t need MO to testify to GZ having “wrist control” of Trayvon because Georgie already explained that to spd in one of the interviews.
They didn’t show the atm video to show MO was at the scene (if it was him)… so where are we going.
Now we have MO claiming that Trayvon was looking into a lit window… maybe the clan read the comment here the other day about how could Trayvon be looking into windows without a torch!
Soooo soooo suspicious all this!
I think he’s there because.
he said trayvon put his hand on the gun. now he’s claiming on the stand it was the leather strap (of all places) but did not say that in the book
That gun holder is awfully small, always make sure it favors George. lol!
And just now he said he didn’t actually remember whether GZ has said Trayvon grabbed the gun… because… sit down… HE ONLY HEARD THE STORY TWICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
haHAhaHAha
Funny, he just stated Fogen told him the story 100 times. Gee, I wish these Zidiots could make up their mind.
Racer, sorry to trouble but my for some unknown reason my ip address is apparently being flagged up as spam by the spam guard so for the past two days any comments I make unless replying to a blogger’s reply to me on the notifications page they do not register on the page.
According to WP the owner of the blog has to approve (accept) at least one of my comments in the spam box and I will be free. It worked on Xena’s so she knows what to do. Xena, Faux, Cielo I think they’ve all emailed the professor to no avail.
You may not get this and it may not work either but I am posting to as many as bloggers I can because if you all reply to any of the professor’s or Cranes’s posts with my plight I could be vocal again.
In his book Osterman said Trayvon grabbed the gun between the rear sight and the trigger guard. I hope Bernie brings that up. This was a huge point on HP last year. I believe you were in on that.
Burying Zimmerman in his own lies. Most important points 1. Saw TM 15 feet down that path(saw him with flashlight and followed and was not ambushed) 2. Was knocked backwards (contradicts evidence)
3. TM GOT UP AND MOVED (Fail, super fail and triple fail as all witnesses never saw them change positions.)
The admission of the wrist lock was in the interview just prior to the voice stress test. Apparently Bernie didn’t want to enter that video b/c it’s about a test that’s inadmissible. Although I would think that the tape could be edited, by agreement, to keep the part about the vst out. Don’t see MOM agreeing with that.
Yes, it could be but as you say State could, and imo should, have agreed to edit the tape because what MO says GZ says just cannot compare with what GZ said himself. Furthermore stress tests are not valid in court so JN could have instructed jury about that, but leaving out that tape they have missed other really good things from it, such as how GZ shoots, and a few other gems. Not sure was a good move.
O’Mara keeps trying to make Trayvon look “suspicious”, but they have nothing! This whole “looking in windows” thing is BS. Trayvon was walking back home to deliver the skittles and watch the game, he was NOT casing the neighborhood as they are trying to imply
no flashlight i reiterate,cant see in the dark,was just taking his usual path back home
Coming to a theater near you
George Said: The Passion of George
sometimes a man must follow his heart and shoot…someone else in the heart
TM was “walking between two sets of town homes”.
That’s called walking down the street asshole.
MOM is trying to confuse the jury. This is not the point where Zimmerman said Trayvon circled his car.
I wonder if there was a videocam in the SPD lobby that filmed this touching reunion … sob … sob …. with precious Shellie.
Wonder how come fogen never told Sean311 that “the suspect” was “looking INTO lighted windows” — geez, what embroidery!
I wish there were.
Bernie needs to ask one question. In your opinion, why would a kid who had gone to the store and is running away, choose to then, after having done this, attack you?
And why would he leap out of the bushes, but leave a potential weapon – the non-slimjim – in the bushes??!!
Exactly. Seems he would have taken that with him if he intended to kill him. Seems that would have made it easier.
Exactly. And had he made it home he’d have left his treats and picked up a weapon. But alas, the child was ON.THE PHONE so all of this nonsense about him lying in wait is utterly ridiculous. He’s lying in wait, in the bushes, while talking to Rachel? LMAO. The jurors have to be smarter than this.
Ice and such………
explained the world according to foggagge.
I saw a SUPER TARGET
A BLAHCK DEFENCELESS CHILD
I BAGGED ME ONE
SUPERMAM-ZIMMAN.
They made eye contact in the dark?
Osterphuck proves Zimmerman confronted Martin. If he saw him down.that sidewalk 15 feet away then he went 15 down there to confront him OTHERWISE HE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE. Also proves Zimmerman lied about being knocked BACKWARDS, TM did not sneak up on him and he would have had plenty of time to run for his truck or call police if Martin waa 15 feet away.
Noooooo! Fogen was simply a friendly sentry robot out for his robotic stroll, when a super agent came within his line of fire. Robots of course, have no facial expressions or feelings. Malice is not encoded in them, so it is not their fault when the wrong super agent is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Robots shoot to kill.
supergeorge goint to supertarget like clockwork….apparently shellies clock doesn’t work since she wasn’t there this time.
And are we suppose to believe that Fogen was going to Target for next week’s thrifty packaged home lunches while Shellie gorges herself with a free meal at her Dad’s? No way GZ would miss the dinner bell.
call sheLie and ask her about her nursing classes. Let her lie some more to the court.
It’s scary that this goon works in law enforcement
The sickness of adults engaging in the coverup of the murder of someone’s innocent child from the witnesses to the people in charge of law enforcement and the media. It’s really a testament of the status under which blacks exist in the country. The pretense that there is no racism and yet the obvious guilt(yes its obvious) of the defendant is still something they try to hide in an effort to prevent him from being punished for killing an innocent black child. This is killing me, I really don’t expect a conviction, but this isn’t the only time. Aiyanna Stanley Jones, you will never be forgotten by me either.
The pretense of a person speaking nicely equating to an incapability of harboring ill feelings or murderous ideations, is one tenant of racial bigotry. This person speaks calmly and nicely, so he is better than his victim, who happens to be an African American kid.
Yep.
Then they wonder what is wrong. There is no presumption of innocence, no benefit of the doubt, which is shown to not have been afforded Trayvon but, fogen? Yes, he must have been the assailed one. Happens all the time in all manner of interactions from work on down. This attitude has been ingrained in the shaping of this country and continues today just in more elegant and descriptive terms than before.
With a smile on their faces.
@Leroy
And sadly, the evisceration of the Voting Rights Act last week is a portent of things to come for minorities in this country.
Absolutely! But other groups had better beware: they come first for the groups most maligned; then they eventually come for the rest of us. This is how it always works. Powerful government and corporate types wants the rights of all working class and poor of this country.
It isn’t just about AA’s, all the red states are gerrymandering & that screws everyone except the republicans, & that party has some crazy members.
I get the impression that Osterman and GZ are VERY intimate friends.
That has crossed my mind.
Oh, man. Thank you for allowing me to not be worry about my self.
Crossed my mind, too.
His voice, the way he checks and rearranges his jacket everytime he stands up or sits down. ‘Cause you know, that jacket hides his blubber.
Yup
Isn’t it obvious? Sick fks.
Dave~ Don’t be a bad boy, now. Although that MIGHT explain their obsession with black males. 😉
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She went into “nurse mode” — because she’s a nursing student.
Oh, and she went into mentoring mode — because they mentor black kids, you know.
Thanks for telling the jury why Zimmerman grew his hair out. He already has a lumpy head.
“the size of your fist but not quite the size of a goose egg”
this guy is awesome
Lol
Notice–he has sort of a lump on the top of his own head.
All those “lumps” are near the top of his head…was he break dancing while listening to homie?
I tell ya…he whacked his head with his gun by holding the barrel and left a tiny laceration and a huge red outline of the trigger and handle on his head. Then blood flowed downward.
OMG … Shellie transforms from wife to being a nurse, according to Osterman.
An insult to nurses worldwide.
yup, so noted a few comments above.
She was not wise enough to put one of those butterfly bandages over gz’s mouth.
Berni will ask on re-direct, “would you have described the defendant as being ‘calm’ as he left the police interviews.
Dang, I have to work now.
oh, shellie can ‘transform’ into a nurse!
guffaw! snort! snicker!
capable of medical assessment from her online CNA courses as well. amazing!
CNA’s change bed pans and diapers. They aren’t even allowed to give pills so what kind of nurse was she trying to become.
will go into more detail during recess – i’ve researched this a bit.
gag, barf, upchuck!
oh? you’re vomiting? good thing we have a ‘nurse’ on hand!
A Diet Coke has relieved the stress!
One more time with the nurse crap.
Oh phuuullleeeeeeeze – online non nurse
amen sister! this is an insult to even an LVN.
great!!
so MOM and AMMO are gonna felate each other for the next hour while George watches
this is indecent porn!!!
AMMO?
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AH! Thanks Tzar~ I can guess most of them, but sometimes…
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oh oh oh
my eyes!
He wasn’t any of this in the interviews. I call bull shit.
Possible detached emotionally.
But I would call it more like being engaged in his personal cop fantasy.
Calm!! Word is ‘Calm’, Osterman…. the word you are looking for to describe him being ‘detached’.
MO is running out of lies to tell
Without the sound, he looks like another psycho.
ding ding ding ding
(the sound does little to disguise this)
I’m guessing they may be very close
Oh, poor She’lLie. Boohoo. Went into “nurse mode” and put butterfly bandages on his superficial wounds.
Puke.
Those were not butterflies. They were knuckle bandages–designed to apply a bandage with sticky tabs on both sides of the joint. Not on a head.
And butterflies are used to pull together the edges of a laceration without sticking in the middle–no bandage material to absorb fluids, or anything that might get stuck in the healing process.
The wounds on the front were not lacs, but abrasions.
To my mind, those bandages were strictly theatrical. The nose wound had already scabbed over–no need to keep out possible infection. And if there was a concern for scalp infection, they might have shaved the spot even closer. Hair is not known for being antiseptic.
@Lurker,
Bandages were optional. In fact, bandages get wet from sweat or showering and can breed bacteria and fungi, infecting the wound further. Best to wash lightly w/soap & water, dab dry w/clean towel (preferably paper).
In this case, they were décor.
Only appropriate size bandages would be Johnson & Johnson child-size Band-Aids (“Hello Kitty” Band-Aids most popular.)
I like Snoopy bandaids! I think Hello Kitty bandaids are gross!
Malisha~ I got both! PLUS Angry Birds! Take your pick!
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Theatrics, yes. But sadly they have the press fooled.
Jane Casares(sp?) was on tv yesterday saying the Physician’s Assistant put on the “butterfly” bandages.
NO. It was Shellie who put on those knuckle bandages after being told soap and water and no dressing needed. Makes me almost feel the need to send in a message via HLN and point out the shoddy investigating we have to endure from ignorant persons working for them. Butterfly is NOT a knuckle bandage.
SheLie sounds like she had a more appropriate reaction than the murderer.
Yes.
BDLR is reeling his punk ass in like a fish. TM backed up, turned 90 degrees and fell down? BULLSHIT. Its already been established and will be further established that MARTIN NEVER MOVED. The eyewitnesses have already shot down the part of the story he cannot explain HOW DID MARTIN GO FROM LEANING OVER THE SIDEWALK TO LYING IN GRASS??? Send that bastard to jail!
I hope CAC phone records comes in with MO and Shelly’s testimonies.
Absent a stipulation (agreement), phone records must be introduced through the custodian of records for the phone company.
Thanks professor… I so desperately want to know who CAC called or may have received right before he called NEN and who he was on the phone with in that picture Jon took.
he’s NOW saying he never spoke to GZ> thats not what he told FDLE apparently according to the summary of his interview.
Yep, I heard that too. In the summary he said he didn’t talk in depth with GZ.
Osterman is pretty stupid.
“Osterman is pretty stupid.” “…pretty…”
Osterman in his book states flat out that Fogen grabbed his gun between the sight and the trigger guard…..This was a huge topic on HP last year.
MO: “Every non-convicted felon should carry a gun . . . because the police are not always there”[ when a black kid needs to be murdered].
Leaves open the question of who protects they kids who are not old enough to carry, doesn’t it?
Should that actually read “every WHITE non-convicted felon”? I’m using that in the context that these racist fools are talking!
In that context, all Blacks are or will be convicted felons. It’s a terrible mindset.
He sure stepped in it on that one. That was despicable.
jon told the jury that he told her george was ok and was going to the police station for questioning before george said “just tell her i shot someone”…she knew he was fine.
How did Shellie know that George was in hand cuffs and bloody?
She didnt know, if he’s talkng about her first call – unless of course she was there already.
Manolo.
Wow! Bernie objected to scope of cross! Is that a first? Will he stick to it?
Not so far…. Maybe it was just the specific question he didn’t like. Oh, well.
OK, here it comes. Shellie was at her father’s and got a call from a neighbor.
Put his arm around her to keep her from blacking out.
She’s such a delicate flower.
lmao!
She’s a bitch who lied to the court. Unfortunately I don’t think the jury will hear about that….
Did ShelLIE wear a cape to once she transformed to superhero nurse?
Seriously if she is questioned can prosecution ask about her nursing background/expertise/school?
I got scolded the other day for calling West’s girls Bi****s. You go!! Fat Shellie is a biotch!
we both got in our cars…sounds like they were together
Why did the neighbor have to hang up?
Because GZ barked at him, “Just tell her I shot someone.”?
Let’s here the dramatic “I’d die for him but I wouldn’t lie for him”
It’s such bs, I can barely stomach this!
Me too, I’m hungover. I just might have to go throw up cause of this sicko.
His bs that SheLie was hysterical when she heard about this is a joke. he also made them liars about her being at hers dads for dinner…..did you catch that.
no dna on gun or hoster so why say that an allow to bolster defendants lies.
Since I got sacked for being an illegall body guard for a fake celebrity?
An now his bff is another fake celeb go figure
H
It’s in print–no escaping it.
Gotta show that the story doesn’t fit the facts, Hence, it is a lie, told by a lyng liar.
WTF is a “mal convicted felon” ?
Non convicted felon.
Yeah I thought it was but I was gob-smacked because either you are a felon or you ain’t!
I cannot imagine having to split hairs when talking about my friends. Freaking nutjobs.
Just a thought… could it be wrongly convicted felon because why would MO say in front of the jury anything bad about GZ
Perhaps a wrongfully convicted felon?
guns for everybody! yay! It’s the wild west!
pew pew pew!!!!
And hi ho silver !
And away (with your donated money and hidden passport)!
TSTAS, sorry to trouble but my for some unknown reason my ip address is apparently being flagged up as spam by the spam guard so for the past two days any comments I make unless replying to a blogger’s reply to me on the notifications page they do not register on the page.
According to WP the owner of the blog has to approve (accept) at least one of my comments in the spam box and I will be free. It worked on Xena’s so she knows what to do. Xena, Faux, Cielo I think they’ve all emailed the professor to no avail.
You may not get this and it may not work either but I am posting to as many as bloggers I can because if you all reply to any of the professor’s or Cranes’s posts with my plight I could be vocal again.
Osterman’s philosophy–everyone should carry, the police aren’t always there.
Don’t think this is going to be helpful with the jury.
Agree.
Ugh, the police can’t always be there theory.
He thinks a lot of himself (Osterman)
Yes he does. Another guy who’s a legend in his own mind.
Key point: GZ told MO that he got control of TM’s wrist so that he could breathe before TM reached for the gun and got hold of it between the sight and slide.
In other words, GZ admits holding onto the teen, a person he chased into the proverbial dark alley.
The forensics will prove TM did not touch the gun and the wrist lock eliminates the need to act in self-defense.
BAM
mma training
no dna on gun and how did he get it off the aggressor as opposed to just beating him to the gun
The sight is attached to the rear of the slide.
So from the point at which he got control of Trayvon’s wrist, he knew absolutely he was not in danger of great bodily harm or death. Could have flipped Trayvon over, stood up and drawn his gun and said: “STOP — I HAVE A GUN!”
And it is you who created a story for him about self-defense.
ask him about getting fired for taking place in a fraud.
An amusing story for sure. He’s smarter than Fogen, but not by much. (Feds should be ashamed for employing him after that.)
still under subpoena, o’mara will call as his own witness … nice 🙂
Hey guys,
I’m reading on Twitter the State has filed a motion regarding Molly West’s pic!
*BOOM SHAKA LAKA*
Wow! What kind of motion?
Just read on Twitter that media outlets are reporting the State filed a motion about Molly West’s pic. I’ll report back as soon as I find out more info.
Thanks!
Indeed!
Really?? I admit her tweet was in very bad taste, but what kind of motion?
No wonder he is behaving so “ghost” today!!
He was very low key yesterday too.
Hopefully sanctions for disrespecting the court.
SG2~ WHAT? I didn’t know anything that stupid could actiually have consequences! YAY!
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and why are you no longer at the sheriff’s office, mr osterman??
So Zimmerman lived vicariously through his friendship with Osterman.
Yep
No “mad as hell” question? Or did I miss it?
Bernie didn’t ask. But I thought it was Taaffe said that.
Correct.
OK. I bet you’re correct. Thanks.
Taaffe
Show him a picture of the holster and ask him to point out the leather and the strap.
Here comes the ‘value added testimony factor’.
nice 😉
Notice that boy men (fogen/Ostermann) attempt to speak and behave as perfect boy scouts.
NOT this holster, Mr. Osterman. No safety, not even a strap on the holster that was cheapie fabric, not leather.
Osterman is admitting his book is incomplete and an altered account of what GZ told him. In other words, a work of fiction.
I’ve been watching MSNBC and just switched to computer.
I observed Osterman saying his publisher wanting MF out of the book. That COULD be a lie, as the book is self-published and rarely does any venue who does print on demand books filter much. ON the other hand, this publisher also states they vet their POD books carefully, so perhaps they did ask.
I knew BDLR would come back strong. He’s letting the story play out as it actually happened, in my mind.
This is the calibre of man hood you expect to deter another 9 11
than pkluck bin laden dead an not watching this.
What an asshat
next time I visit the old country I’m taking a boat.
Scary, Colin, very scary.
Maybe the mystery of was it MO at the bank or not finally be resolved.
Early on in his call, George told the NEN Dispatcher that the suspicious person “looked” Black, which implies to me that he did not see Trayvon close enough to see Trayvon’s color.
However, George determined at the very start that this suspicious person was someone that he had never seen before (and I assume, did not belong in the neighborhood) – given the fact that he knew every man, woman and child in the neighborhood.
So how could George, (or Fogen [sp?] – I’m new on this blog) tell that he had never seen this person if he couldn’t even see the person close enough to know his race, esp. since Trayvon was not what is referred to as a “fair skinned” Black)?
HMMMMM.
He couldn’t. Welcome 🙂
The reason Osterman thinks he know’s exactly how it went down is because he helped craft the story.
This may be a confirmation of Godwin’s Law, but why does Osterman remind me of Sergeant Schultz from Hogan’s Heroes ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Sergeant Schultz (dumb as he was) was smarter, was he not?
“Subject”, now there’s a better term to use, eh Fogen?
If TM’s knees were up BY GZ’s armpits, then GZ’s hands were free the whole time. And yet he did almost nothing but draw a gun and fire. hmmmmm
yep. I said that too.
boom
Fogen was just a robot, wound up to detect and take out all threats of a specific type. Said robot never fought back, as super threat over-powered him, banged his robotic head on concrete nor attempted to block his oxygen. Robot then sprang into action and eliminated super threat of a specific type.
Just had a flash.
Think Bernie is going to read excerpts from George Sr.’s book into the record?
That would be interesting.
How did fogen break Trayvon’s grip if Trayvon hadn’t touched the gun?
This a**hole tries to make fogen out to be a superhero. I despise this pos. Saw him on Dr. Phil.
I am hoping that the jury is as disturbed by his smirk as I am.
Why fogen was just a fine gentleman of the evening, when super threat appeared; in an attempt to uphold his fair and gentle residence; the fine gentleman then eliminated the super threat in his line of fire.
I’m laughing my ass off. Osterman is a total idiot. I knew he was dumb but this is beyond stupid.
He is a total idiot! The jurors are probably thinking WTF?
but he doesn’t curse in front of ladies though…
wonder if he knows which way the streets run in nassau? that’s critical info, folks.
crucial!!!
how can one pivon i80 degrees on knees??????????/
pivot on knees is impossable
possible for dancer on proper surface …. not grass.
Stress the arms Bernie.
This is a first folks
a live melting in open court
someone put some towels around the stand
LMAO
“leather strap”??? Holster has a leather or any strap over the back of the gun to hod it in? Don’t think so….
That WAS a nylon holster wasn’t it? lol
sounds like most of osterman’s book sales were for court purposes — everyone seems to have a copy to spare!
/snark off
The gun doesn’t have an external hammer
I think fogen said you got it. not Trayvon.
Yep, his last words to the NEN operator before he hung up.
there is no leather strap, dumbass
no hammer either on the gun. what a nutjob.
He says Trayvon had his HANDS ON THE GUN!
Oh, oh. Backing off on the struggle for the gun.
“I don’t like to curse in front of ladies”…… but you’re okay with child killers…. STFU! Liar!
Puke – doesn’t want to say those things for the ladies. Him smiling SO much just seems inappropriate to me.
A smackdown of epic proportions!
This is surprisingly awful for Zimmerman. Wow.
@Unabogie,
Fogen looking HUGELY hostile toward Osterman!
Osterman was pissed at Fogen by the time he WROTE the book and then there was even more bad blood between them.
Malisha~ OOOH! BOY trouble!
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Osterman is doing terribly. Bernie is KILLING this guy and MO doesn’t even realize it. THis is hilarious.
I am in stitches over here
Nice George never hit Trayvon.
Just shot him.
Trayvon grabbed for the gun.
Tell me, if Zimmerman slide down while Trayvon was at his arm pits, then Trayvon’s knees would be next to his face.
WOW… Trayvon saw not only the gun but the “holster” too!
gbrbsb~ X-Ray vision! ANOTHER super power of Black Dynamite Slim!
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foggagges sister same flat effect in faceial non expressions.
I hope he loses his job as a Air Marshal… I wouldn’t want him protecting me in the air if he protects a killer.
He’s better be careful about perjury….seems awfully cheery.
I’d get off a plane if I spotted him aboard as an air marshal. Let him be grounded as a pencil pusher until let go.
Totally agree with you.
Bernie had his wheaties this morning. Yay!
Describes a pinched nose and covered mouth. Completely inconsistent with screaming.
foggagge thinking
If only I had said
Trayvon said…
You got a problem you crakerarsedrapisthiggacreepyassedude you DO NOW
Then the Jury will believe me.
Colin you are so cute… *pinching* your cheek*
I’ll hold him, you pinch his cheeks.
Colin is Solid.
where the hell is BDLR igoing?
I am hoping “nice” guy to reel him in, and then turn the tables…
Yeah that makes sense now.
No prints on the gun. How did fogen break his grip if Trayvon did not touch it?
So Zimmerman was having whole conversations with people while he was being beaten by Trayvon?
Sabryna looks lovely today
the glasses and bun up look suits her
lets hope that eventually he gets caught up in a mess of fairy tale telling…could make it necessary for fogen to take a trip up to the stand.
Correction: Homeland Security/TSA is the agency the Air Marshall Service falls under. It used to be under ICE.
Interesting. Woow, do you know if it switched over right after 9/11? Could that possibly how Osterman got hired? I remember some posters saying something about the influx of new marshalls at that time, and he probably would not have been hired otherwise. Makes a lot of sense, especially if the air marshalls were going through a changeover to another dept, at the time.
Yes he got in right when there was the influx and they did not do the extensive background checks. They were just looking for former PO and military. A lot of the the guys retired from Secret Service UD division and went over there (double dipping getting salary and pension)
I was corrected by a family member who knows him this morning on which dept they fall under. It was changed to Homeland Security under TSA.
TSA is reactionary. They will watch to see what he says and do before they make a determination. Thing is he cannot fly right now b/c he has to be on standby for the trial so he must be on leave.
knees in the armpits mutherfucker…he squirmed down mutherfucker…how’d he see the gun…keep talking, its finally your moment
OY: ” It was a squirm, he said.”
The shimmy becomes a squirm?
We’ll have to choreograph a new hit, pop dance.
The shimmy, shimmy squirm.
Where was the dirt then on his undershirt?
OK–tightening the noose. Trayvon’s knees were supposedly in Z’s armpits.
Gives an 8 inch overlap with the concrete. He squirmed 8 inches.
Squirming down from a starting point of Trayvon’s knees in armpits and squirming down 8 inches puts his nose in Trayvon’s groin, correct?
I’m guessing not too many men are buying this. Most guys I know would claim to rather have their head bashed on concrete than stuff their nose in another man’s groin area. IJS
@Nef05
OK, with Zimmerman’s nose now stuffed into Trayvon’s crotch, there’s Zimmerman’s blood on Trayvon’s chinos crotch, yes?
And with Trayvon’s hand on Zimmerman’s blooded nose, then Tray goes for the gun/holster, then there’s Zimmerman’s blood and snot transferred to Zimmerman’s Levis waistband, holster and gun, right?
it’s a position he might as well get used to assuming.
faux mccoy~ BAD GIRL! 😉
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Every day since this trial started I pray that the women on the jury came into this with no bias, are sane, intelligent, and not racist. That is how it SHOULD be, and if that is the case this is a slam dunk for the prosecution. I mean look at this bozo, and their BS story!!
2 out of the 6 maybe biased and/or racist. That is my opinion.
I hope you are wrong, but which two concern you?
Woow!~ even so, even THEY would be insulted by this moron and his BS lies.
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Really???
You have a problem Homie…
You have a problem MF’er….
You have a problem…
the inconsistencies once again…
Dammit BDLR stop being so apologetic!
he’s Catholic… and a prosecutor… gotta love him…
Agree … these female jurors have heard these words before … no need for apology when prosecuting a murderer or grilling liars.
“Knees up near chest or armpits”
Then how do you get a gun?
And how do you (MMA trained, no less) not have arms free to fight back?
I do believe we are now hearing from the scriptwriter, the revisionist, and what passes for brains in this slimeball “duh, what are we gonna do now?” operation.
I concur.
what is the deal with mr affable? smiling, happy, you’d think he just found out he won the lottery.
He may well have done… his book will start selling at least!
Got his phone? Really?!
Yeah, but after your comment when BDLR asked about the phone MO can’t remember if he got it or not ! HAHAHAHAHAHA
I can’t believe the details he remembers and the ones he forgets.
Sudden onset amnesia is apparently contagious.
Zim had to look down to find his pocket to get his phone?
I guess he is not used to having pockets on his diapers? He also said on his orig statement that he reached for his phone with his right hand, yet when the photo was taken just a few moments later he was using the hand that he would have normally used his left hand! I think he was reaching for his gun and not the phone…..
Ok. I know this isn’t right…but an image of MOs book being thrown and clocking him upside his head just flashed in my mind…when he tried to explain GZs reason for exiting the truck.
He looks like he’s on drugs, or sumptin’.
I don’t know what his deal is — call NEN!!!
Somebody please give Osterman a towel. Sheesh!
Whose got the book… please look up whether MO’s publisher also eliminated MF from the “You’re going to die tonight, MF”
m oysterman irking now
because Bernie bought his book
Was it homie or MF?
WHAT?! The publisher puts curse words in books all of the time.
He is lying.
oh, this should be fun! the mysterious mr osterman!
OK–he’s bringing Osterman’s book in.
There were some new lies told in the book.
Bernie, wipe that chit-eatin’ grin off this witnesses face.
He got it wrong… MF was with “you’re going to die tonight MF”!
He is going to hang him on what he said he said in the book.
What happened to “homie”? hahahah
Osterman, gz gave him two reasons got out of car….. and “because as a POLICE OFFICER you always want …” to know an address.
“As a police officer???
My god …. OY: he (Fogen) got out of car because he didn’t know the name of the street he was on.
LOLOLOLOL
F**k is this guy lying… he knows the story, off pat, better than GZ !
Yes, talk about a magpie …
followed in car=kerb crawl
Fogen was not a police officer.
And neither is Osterman
Osterman: “As a police officer, you always want to get an exact address.”
GZ = wannabe cop!
He has a wart on his mouth. Lies will do that.
LMAO
I think it’s a cold sore or a giant lip zit.
What kind of value does this “witness” have for the state??? Get this goon off the stand and get to a real witness!
Followed with his car.
oysterman smiles beaming like he iz da BOMB Am da man taught this dam phool all he knows .
wich is nowt.
Isn’t this all heresay?
there’s an exception — cannot put the name to it yet
What does he mean he “believes” GZ had pulled up to the clubhouse… anyone read his book about it ?
Bernie asks Osterman to tell the jury what the defendant told him
OY: Walked around vehicle in close proximity … I think they looked at each other..
He looks like he thinks this is all a joke.
I really do believe it is the guy in the bank video.
if I LOOKED at any one of you reading this blog an we had never seeeen an image of each other
I would look like a stranger ano woulyou?
Mark, you were not there.
The door has now been opened to call She-lie! I wonder if she will be called next?
I can’t wait until they call Taaffe – if they do.
Crazy1946, you are wonderful, that is good news!
Address the “looking in windows” nonsense.
Something is wrong with Osterman.
I know. I was just coming here to say that.
Wonder about that bank video
@Sophia,
Seriously, he’s hyped on something.
Or just so thrilled to be on camera!
As an ex-LE Officer, he’s remarkably weird on the witness stand!
What’s with this???
P-Mom~ Too much coffee?
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he sweatin’ cause there’s a fire in that courtroom and no one can put it out
LOL this guy sounds like a nut!
They should have let the defense call him.
Bigot.
Is this going to end well for de la Rionda? Why bring in Osterman and let him tell the defense theory again?
Because NOTHING he said in his book or on Dr. Phil matches GZ’s statements.
WOW
Trayvon was looking like a stranger doh
OY; George goin to get lunches for the week at SuperTarget.
(without money or credit/debit cards, apparently)
GZ had a wallet. There is nothing to say he had no credit card. Not on GZ’s side but I hate people keep saying no money and no credit card. We just don’t know for sure. I go to target with a wallet and a credit card in the wallet. Hardly ever carry cash.
Jm- evidence indicates they had $16.37 in that account. And not in Peter Pan code either!
FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62
“really really close to his home…”.
I just wanted to make sure I get that in there
Did I mention it is a SUPER Target?
I thought he knew ALL the residents. And in his own statement he said looking around – he never said looking in windows. SOMEONE HERE IS LYING
Looking like someone he had not seen before….
This guy looks like some kind of maniac too just like Fogen
ICE is watching Osterman’s testimony… he will be very careful when answering. His job is on the line.
Why would ICE be watching? I missed that….
Immigration? Air Marshall fall under ICE dept?
He is already lying. “I think he was dark outside”. You know damn well that it was dark.
Oh how cocky this guy is… too jovial and friendly with BDLR, he has to be hostile!
Professional witness– looks at jury
Ok for one minute let’s play the defense game,O”mara said the blood from fogen nose did not come out until he stood up. Now we got fogen choking on his blood while Trayvon is holding his nose and mouth and able to sream for help. Listen to the treehouse just got your client a extra ten years.
yup
So GZ blood in his nose did not drain into his boby his blood
fought agaisnt grivaty while on his back, GZ was watching the
remake of the thing remember blood can flow up or down.
I might have to mute after Bernie. The sick is going to get thick after that.
He just said something by mouthing, as Bernie was about to question.
Thread is getting long again.
Next witness: Mark Osterman.
Defendant is the best friend I’ve ever had.
Maybe we find out about the bank video now.
fred — can we start an afternoon thread today? it really helps.
Oy: “Best friend I ever had”
Does not speak well for his taste or judgment.
Osterman is smirking.
What the heck is he so smiley about? gag
probably nerves, unless it’s showing his Elmer Fugg grin to the world.
Calling another defense witness?
OMG!
Osterman has an attorney
Whos up next?
Wait for it
Wait for it
as above
Its M OSTERMAN
MO NSTERMAN
OMG…Osterman!!!
Uh oh. This should be interesting.
Osterman? Is that fogen’s friend?
OoO Osterman!
Osterman!!!
did he just say he was calling oysterman?
HOt dog! Mark Osterman up on the grill next.
Mark Osterman
Mark Osterman
Ooooohhh, oysterman!!
OSTERMAN!!!
Loved O’mara tried to explain lack of blood on Trayvon is due to gravity. Trayvon punches George hard enough for George to bleed and the blood magically flows away from Trayvon.
The blood flowed away from Trayvon because it was afraid of the big scary black kid. eyeroll
sparger~ LOL! “Teflon Trayvon”!
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The jury should be disgusted with the defense, especially after they tried to imply that a piece of awning from Manolo’s house was possibly a tool by Trayvon Martin to commit crimes.
FactsFirst apparently b shyster has gone insane on the none to down low qt to you an me
He is Nuucking Futs
gwynne says:
July 2, 2013 at 10:11 am
you forgot you can’t walk too slow or you’re suspicious, and you also have to be careful not to walk too fast, either. And you can’t be wearing a hoodie, of course. ugg…mom’s world, not anyplace i’d want to live.
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….And whatever you do dont SKIP or your a dead mo fo assholepunck.
lol.
IDGAF what NOBODY say WFTV’s Bill Schafer full of shyt and so is WFTV…
Had to get that out of my system…
I guess WFTV = What f**king TV?
I have been streaming channel 2. The commentators today are reasonably objective. WESH.
Ya hear that, O’Mara. I really don’t care about how foolish you are. How foolish you are to support gz’s lies.
West’s behavior is somewhat…umm…different today. I hope he felt the blowback.
maybe his ice cream privileges have been suspended indefinitely
🙂
I wish we could have Jurours Questions like in j arrias trial.
I could think off a few dooozies
An imagine foggagge wason the sand like arias an had to try an answer them?
That’s dream viewing for moi.
Professor:
Do you think that BDLR had an effective counter to what Serino said about the truthfulness of GZ? I know the question was thrown out, but that doesn’t un-ring the bell. What are your thoughts?
Yes. The forensics and the assistant medical examiner are going to bury the defendant.
hay . im behind trying to catch up. whats up with the time line ?? u no when gz stated that trayvon circle his car and then did all this walking while he was on the phone with the non emergency operator . will the prosecutor go over this?????
On redirect O’Mara never mention why Trayvon hands was found under his body. They have know answer for that and the jurors was waiting for a answer.
I noticed that and hopefully the jury did too.
OMar is doing a GREAT job of highlighting the tangled mass of INCONSISTENCIES in fogen’s stories!
Fogen claims that everytime he tried to sit up, that Trayvon would slammed him down. Fogen also says that he turned his head to look at John Good when he was at his patio door. If Fogen was bleeding from his nose it would have came out of his nostril during any of those events and if the blood was going down the back of his throat he would have inhaled some while while taking in a big breath in order to scream. Hope BDLR addresses this.
So many contradictions, so little time . . .
Applause for Serino and Bernie today right?
Props!
How long recess t y i a ?
morning recess — probably 10-15 minutes
B Shyster say foggagge profiled TRAYVON as a young man
Sounds like he thought foggagge was lookin for a date?
OMar has established that
(1) fogen is a VERY POLITE creepy child murderer
(2) walking in the rain is SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY
you forgot you can’t walk too slow or you’re suspicious, and you also have to be careful not to walk too fast, either. And you can’t be wearing a hoodie, of course. ugg…mom’s world, not anyplace i’d want to live.
and child molester acording to his cousin
fogen had no blood on his hands, because after the murdered boy got through bashing his head, mma style punching him, and then smothering him; he simply wiped all of the blood away from himself and Trayvon—such a good boy scout is he.
Both MOM and W demeanor is different since this past weekend. Wonder why?
Has W done any questioning since Friday?
W and MO’M probably looked at how the commentators and blogosphere perceived their demeanor in court.
They probably have someone watching jury reaction.
West puts them to sleep. Except when he was crossing Rachel. Then they were appalled.
Got it
Why I dislike o mara .
He is always tittle tatleining on Bernie Like Im not going to do what that BAD B D L R Done he Shouted
He play fighted a wittnes Im tellin
The jurours saw you doldt
Bernie it could be raining outside now right?
An that would be pure speculation
I rest minein case.
He is smarmy on so many levels — can’t believe he ever got laid!
MedicineBear, you forget that while money can’t buy you happiness, it could allow you to rent it for just a little while! Even MOM is allowed into the rental store…… GAG, PUKE….
Lights out and an eye mask? YUK! he has no appeal
MOM blathers about Fogen swallowing blood from snout injury, speculates that’s why Trayvon had no blood on hands.
Bernie: Right now it could be raining outside, right? … and that would be pure speculation.
Serino: Yes, sir..
How about: If you had ingested large amounts of blood wouldn’t you throw it up at some point?
And wouldn’t you also insist on going to the hospital for this reason alone?
On a side note, this is more proof that the demonic Fogenites flooded the web defending this creep. The sidewalk weapon and swallowed blood are bullshit arguments I’ve seen them make online.
When I was a kid I had lots of bloody noses. I swallowed a lot of blood, it doesn’t make you choke, the blood doesn’t flow fast enough to choke a person, it just has a rich thick taste. That is another lie , as far as I am concerned
Serino excused subject to recall. 15 minite recess until 11:20 am EDT.
State has a motion? and DW just file a response. Anyone up on that?
Look at JN face while reading the motion? LOL!
Lurker here. I enjoy everyone’s comments. Can someone help me find a link to transcripts of opening statements?
Thanks!
Now ould be a good time to show the photo with the blood running toward the face. omara asked if blood was subject to gravity. omara is a dick making continuous insults about the prosecutor.
Yes!!!
finally JN is taking control…..
i have seen little evidence that she ever lost control.
No, it couldn’t be his “arm or sleeve” since fogen was specific about Trayvon having used his two hands.
Arm or sleeve would definitely have picked up blood and DNA.
Just woke up20 min. ago What is going on? I hate to say this but it sounds like fogen has become a saint. Please someone fill me in.
far from it — BDLR was spectacular on re-direct and re-re-direct
nelson ruled that yesterday’s opinion stated by serino that gz was being truthful was struck from the record.
Wow! thanks mccoy. 1st words i heard on waking had me in a panic. sorry i missed this.
Blood, GRAVITY — Bernie ask about the blood trails on GZ’s head!!!
RE RE RE RE RE CROSSS OR RE RE RE RE RE CROSS M O M
I fink foggagge ish very very very very cross a bout now…..
Then how the EFF could you scream??!!!
exactly!
oh so he did not bleed until he stood up. GTFOOH
With all that blood in his throat, wouldn’t his first move have been to hawk some up and spit somewhere? The CSI team spent two hours with flashlights looking for blood in the grass and on the sidewalk. I can understand how his itty-bitty head lac might not leave enough to be seen. But, if all that blood was in his mouth, it should have lefty a tasty little pile somewhere!
Wouldn’t Zimmerman been choking on his own blood?
That would be the case if what gz said were true, but we all know hes a liar of Academy Award calibre. He also might have spit/spattered it on Trayvon somehow by struggling, breathing hard, coughing, sputtering, yet there is no DNA evidence.
Well, if you remove the TRUTH, what’s left?
Pathological lies.
Serino is too easily lead.
You don’t want to talk about gravity and blood O’Mara.
Too late, he opened his mouth and placed his whole leg in it! Will be amusing how he explains how gravity affected only blood on Trayvons hands and not the blood on his clients head and face! I’m surprised he did not claim that the rain washed the blood and skinned knuckles from Trayvon’s hands!!!
You will not get the last word, ASSHOLE/O’HaHa!
You have 5 minutes for your re-re-cross. In other words, I’m tired of your prolonged BS.
JN give MOM 5 minutes for a re-re cross.
Do re re re re ME!
fa so so so so la ti do!
First onto the fist.
5 minutes for your re re cross… (JN to mom)
Good she is cutting him off.
another 5 miutes.
BDLR: What law states that a person can’t go into a 7-11 with a hoodie? … Is there some law that I missed?
ex post facto law.
Can’t go to 7-11 w/hoodie while Black in Sanford or you victimize a neighborhood and need to get killed.
B: So detective does the defendant’s story seem like bs to you?
S: Yes. sir.
B: That is all.
lmao
What was that BDLR said about “something going on” pointing and referring to Bajador’s house ?
anyone know?
I have no idea. This will be interesting.
Bernie asked if Serino remembered Omara asking him to
ASUME where Zimmerman had walked after leaving his car.
S said yes.
Then while showing the layout (exibit 139) Bernie asked if Serino also remembered that there might have been some action going on behind Bajador’s house and pointed to that area,moving his hand up and down on the layout between the back of the houses behind Bajador’s house.
The anwer was YES!
What is the thing about behind the bahadoor’s house?
Same question tchoupi, made mine milliseconds after you!
The 7-11 clerk wasn’t upset, didn’t even remember him.
Right. An unremarkable, forgettable transaction from his view.
No blood on foggagges hands
I BEG TO DIFFER NOTHING BUT BLOOD ONHIS HANDS AN THE MONEY HE PUTS HANDS ON IS BLOOD MONEY
Nice demo by BDLR negating silliness of suffocation scenario while being hit … all with Trayvon having no blood on hands.
It was good except he forget that Trayvon was, according to GZ, trying to suffocate him with both hands which is even sillier, I mean who tries to suffocate someone by pinching their nose with one hand and trying to cover their mouth with the other! On the other hand MOM during these crosses just gave us a hint of what his forensic expert and medical expert is going to argue… will be an interesting battle to watch the two opposing experts.
BANG! Bernie nailed it.
No blood on Trayvon’s hands!
BOOM
you can hit me! lol
There’s a couple people there I would LOVE to hit, but he is not one of them. LOL
I know. That seemed so humble. It endeared me to him.
*Him to me.
No blood on victims hands.
Keep going Bernie. There are a lot of lies to sort though.
thought bubble fn punks
BDLR to Serino: Do you read comics?
BDLR is drumming for a gz wipeout and conviction:
He uttered fucking punkoons under his breath as he was running AFTER him!!! Oh, Bernie just got it. LOL Thanks Bernie.
Its not against the law in Florida to wear a hoodie at night.
Yup foggagge had zimmcam on his blackberry an didn’t turn on night vision option to film or try an see in the dark
Its like heat seeking ision infra red
excellent for spotting cats in the dark
bbut foggagge wanted no footage for foggagge.
Good points–no photos taken by Zim.
Also just refuted the “tool” found by Manolo’s house five days later–a piece of an awning.
And Serino would defer to ME’s opinion.
If the jury is not disgusted with OMara and his client by now, check their pulse
boi that om is such a fabricater…just shameful
Part of John’s house not a burglary tool.
Professor Leatherman wrote about the bullet holes not lining up a log time ago.
Haha Fogen did not video tape either!
Boom: O’Mara overruled.
yes, o’mara — with heels and a bouffant, i can appear 6’4″, depending on the amount of aquanet i use. at the end of the day, i’m still 5’10”. silly argument.
I definitely fight better the taller I make myself look
Stilts, people stilts
don’t leave home without them
yeah baby!
Aquanet? Haven’t heard that in years. ROTFLMFAO!
did i mention when i do get into this get up i’m seriously taller than the husband and assumed by some to be a drag queen? we’ve had a lot of fun with this 🙂
Those who think GZ was pulling on TM’s hoodie as the teen was shot, raise your hand. Those who believe GZ had his hand on Trayvons’ WRIST, and had to move the gun past his own hand so as not to shoot it, raise your hand.
He can’t have been doing both. But the hoodie could have been pulled by the general activity of restraining the teen.
Hand raised twice. I pray the prosecution brings that up, but they haven’t brought up that the nose could’ve been injured by gun recoil & scratches on the face/back of head could’ve occurred from gz running into one or more trees. He also hasn’t pointed out that the photo w the blood shows it running toward the fce even though hes had at least 2 opportunities that begged for it.
Dead but grew taller.
Actually, he should have said dead but shrunk.
O’Mara thinks it important for Serino to prove he knows what a reach differential is …
BDLR: Do people get taller after they die?
Ha!
Ok Bernie, bat clean up.
I must admit when Guy in opening said that GZ had pressed the gun into Trayvon’s chest I wondered what that could be as we know, or at least we think we know, that there was a space between the entrance hole on the clothing and the entrance hole on the body.
I’m paraphrasing Guy on opening –> “Amy Seaworth from FDLE will tell and show all about the firearm. Did distance testing between muzzle and Trayvon’s clothing. The distance was zero…it was a contact shot.”
He looked larger in the 7-11 video?
Didn’t look like a skinny kid.
Doesn’t mean that he WASN’T in fact outweighed and outmuscled by Z.
Bernie!
ha ha ha O’Mara’s whole defense is from the treeples
Yep and then some. And the more this trial goes on the more apparent it becomes. MOM just literally threw every bit of nonsense out there most of which has been debunked already and the rest of which is almost too absurd for words.
WTF??!! Why no objections? The clerk didn’t find Trayvon “scary.”
I know!
omg what is going on??????
“this person”….. my blood is boiling, I don’t know how much more of this I can stomach
This smells. Get the lysol!
Bernie should ask about the blood trails being INCONSISTENT with GZ being on his back.
more appropriate for medical examiner or other medical expert.
NO! That’;s NOT how it was. “Gravity” does not pull to the right! Nor does the weight of a can pull down an UNDERshirt that it is not in contact with. Those holes would not line up.
Yes, how about that second sweatshirt?
The reason Zimmerman told dispatch to have the officer call him when he arrived is because Zimmerman did not know where he would be when the officer arrived. He had no intention of standing pat and was too busy running the kid down and trying to detain him until the police arrived.
Couldn’t slap him upside his head an point a gun in his mouth
An say you murdered a fucking kid.
Because he was whiteish hisspanicish an had shot an AA CHILD.
Now if he had been Blahck an shot a white child screaming for help at point blank.
They would’ve got a confession an he would be sitting on death row already.
SIMPLES.
As long as the victim isn’t black, the rest doesn’t matter.
Could there be palm/fingerprint on the button Trayvon’s chest?
that would not prove anything specific.
this was not covered by the state – how is MOM allowed to ask about this on cross?
Because he is bolstering the STATES CASE
OWN GOALS
Friendly fire
Let him yap all day he is digging just digging
I knew it a totally new lie all made up with burglary tools and a piece of concrete no more head banging I guess.
Noooooo, the misalignment is due to the fact that Zimmerman grabbed Martin’s hoodie before he shot him. God I hope BDLR is catching this.
How the hell did we get here?
O’Mara is testifying.
Now BDLR definitely has that horse faces bastard exactly where he wants him. Omara will say ANYTHING to exonerate Zimmerman because he is an extension of his lying ass client.
He is a disgusting liar. But the lies will be easily uncovered by the pathologist.
O’Mara, you cannot save your client from his lies.
Give it up…..you are looking so much in cahoots with you client and you are spiritually becoming as low as gz. Save your soul, O’Mara.
Serino is not a pathologist.
Why is O’Mara allowed to go into this area??!!!
NO NO NO Bernie, he is shooting holes in your case. Get up. Serino is not a ballistics expert.
Exactly!! Why isn’t Bernie objecting??!
Exactly. They just sit there like bumps on a log.
I cannot believe this BS. Serino knows damn well there were NO muffled screams. He said it himself on the recording.
I did a video on the address situation
So, he doesn’t see an address because it’s the back of the house?
Wouldn’t it be easier to walk around to the front of the house that he’s behind, instead of walking to the other end of the block? And, he would still have to walk around to the front of the house for an address.
Yes–not being able to remember the names of the streets DID raise flags.
I will say that Serino is the least concerned homicide detective I’ve ever seen.
Facts not in evidence.
M O M is bolstering the States case an highlighting foggagges lies
Because foggagge was dumb an so where the cops???
So what?
Omara’s throwing out a lot of strawmen.
They need to show a picture of fogen’s old home and show that it looks just like the Laure’s and the address is in the same darn spot. You’d have to be a idiot not to know he knew where to find the addy.
excellent point
The thing is IDIOTIC. Fogen knew that the cops had google maps! Nobody needs to search for addresses with a loaded gun on foot in the dark with a flashfuckinlight! GET REAL!
He could have just got in his car and drive up to the top of the street where he knew there were street signs,
Excuses, O’Mara!!
Anybody living in that complex knows that addresses are on the front of the house.
The fact that BDLR’s big white board doesn’t include the mail kiosk bothers me to no end.
Verrrrrrry interesting.
ME TOO! I’ve been saying that all along.
Simply murdered for walking by.
gz could have walked a few steps back and read the address of W11 on TTL
The absence of the defendant’s blood or DNA on Trayvon’s hands and sleeves is the trump card that proves the defendant lied about being smothered.
Yep
Thank you, professor. Your positivity keeps me coming here.
Agree, and that testimony can’t come soon enough for me. I’m so sick of this false narrative being put before the jury.
Put GZ on and let’s see what HE says.
ain’t gonna happen.
Fogen was a nightly patrolman, who would have known where to look for the address on the front of the houses, whether bushes were blocking the address or not. You will note that there are lights above the addresses, illuminating them.
He has a bad memory though and forgot.
perhaps ‘short term vision’ is contagious?
All the homes are the same and all of them have addresses on the front. If you live there, you know where the addresses are!
O Mara trips himself up constantly verbally an now thhe props tip him up but
Not any props Tryvons props
Props to Trayvon
You go guy fat boi tugboat is sinking fast.
Blocked by the tree. Straight bs.
Lying effing SofAB!!!
Just not enough to contend with his screams for help and his choking on his blood?
No blood on Trayvon’s hands, no broken nose.
Give me a break, no video camera would have accurately captured what happened in the dark, and Fogen knew it.
Serino bluffed gz and gz bluffed Serino back.
Denial is a pretty powerful thing, folks.
He used the word “elated” re: the possibility of there being video,
The same word occured to me in watching the walk-thru yesterday. He seemed to be elated in his recount of pulling his “firearm” and getting off a single shot.
Xena, Trayvon just tripped O’Mara! 🙂
SAW THAT BRILLIANT A SIGN FROM ABOVE yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
LMAO! Hope he uses a slab of concrete from Heaven to break fogen’s chair. Then fogen will fall on floor.
@disappointed, EARTHQUAKE! followed by a massive tsunami.
:))
Well that other guy was tall and slim also,therefore Trayvon was up to no good. This argument has changed my mind about this case. Let Zimmerman go.
Wtf? Shut up.
Sounds like snark to me.
Righto, Deborah, but not all are bright enough to get that.
tasha~ Don’t recognize sarcasm?
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She is tough in cheek….mocking the logic of the Defendant’s supporters.
He/she is being sarcastic.
Quick, someone make a gif of O’Mara stumbling and twirling!
Sick fuck wanted to watch him killing Trayvon is what I am getting from this line of questioning.
Maybe his wife brought a camera?
I’m just tripping, here.
So O’Mara is acknowledging that Trayvon Martin had his phone out.
Yes, but Trayvon was not doing any of those things. MOM is just proving his clients ill will. He wanted to get the bad guys and had profiled Trayvon Martin as a bad guy.
Boom! Despite his blather, it’s been well established the TM was doing nothing wrong. He’s proving ill will for the prosecution.
Trayvon wasn’t breaking into anyones home when he was murdered. If he was we wouldn’t have heard about this case.
Those crimes have NOTHING to do with Trayvon, why is this even allowed to be talked about?!
And, Burgess could have been involved in all of those burglaries. He was in jail on Feb. 26, ’12
I don’t know.
Look at the map Zimmerman drew. Trayvon was on the sidewalk. He even drew an X.
(unless he thought he was signing the document)
hahaha
if you mean this color map that GZ drew on for singleton, there is no X on the sidewalk
There are however very damning things for the idea of GZ’s consistency. Look at where the path to RVC goes…. to the middle of the street.
ANd of course the car position by the mail kiosk that he drew and then quickly crossed out before telling the impossible “TM doubled back/ cirlced my car” false narrative
Serino doesnt get it. He never timed the NEN call all the way thru as bloggers have done.
on any given day all citizens are amrmed with concrete
so gun up people
you never know when someone you follow might arm themselves with a sidewalk
lol
You’re on a roll today lol
This could be worse. thankfully mom lost his momentum this morning when his tactics yesterday came back to haunt him.
How do they think they can attribute other crimes to Trayvon?
Serino point out that they were found in grass.
O’Mara: A rash of burglaries?
Serino: I’d have to refresh my memory … to consider it a rash.
O’Mara not making much progress.
Serino is rolling his eyes as O’Mara asks whether the number of burglaries made z’s concerns warranted.
Keeps referring to “in his mind.”
Why did not BDLR object as to facts not in evidence MOM’s reference to Trayvon being armed with “concrete”
Ooops… should have said: “Why did BDLR NOT object as to…”
I agree but I think the transparent absurdity of it trumps all. We are reaching “twinkie defense” territory here.
Ahh the old “armed with a sidewalk” notion. Oh but I thought the point at which Fogen feared for his life was when Trayvon supposedly reached for the gun? Which is it?
Here we go with the attack by concrete defense by MOM!
armed with concrete…wooooow!!!!!
Armed with concrete?! This is bullshit.
I hope Bernie asks about the right to use a sidewalk in self defense.
please Bernie, get a real DOCTOR to testify about fogen’s “injuries”.
Armed himself with concrete. Now I have heard it all!
God, now we’re going to have to have concealed carry concrete permits.
In between buildings? Trayvon was not in between buildings until your client chased him there you idiot!
I never heard anything about a slim jim tool found in the bushes 5 days after the murder until today. Omara brings it up today.
Did they check this tool for fingerprints ? Seems unfair to insinuate this may have been Trayvons .
If Trayvon was going to attack Z why not bring this tool and use it as a weapon ?
lawyer sleaze — and jurors are instructed that attorney statements are not evidence.
But as the saying goes… how to un-ring the bell.
it will be repeated at closing statements. by most accounts, jurors take these instructions to heart.
Nothing new he’s done this before…the video’s and the pictures.
He was going to rob someone’s house at 7pm while asking for updates on the All star game? Did he pay for his snacks?
This is just racist questioning.
Does it not seem strange that an allegedly experienced defense attorney would not realize that he could call Serino as a defense witness?
In the UK if someone called the cops every time they saw someone standing between two buildings in the rain not moving the cops would be everywhere but where a crime was being committed.
Lol
And, no, an unmarked cruiser, seeing Trayvon standing in the rain, would not stop and ask him anything.
MOM asking all the wrong questions, Serino is burying GZ
Then why didn’t Zimmerman ask him right then and there why he was there?
Attention mothers: Has your child ever walked home at 7:00 PM? This is sooooo going to backfire!
And tell your children not to call police or tell an adult because you’ll be told “It’s not illegal for the creepy dude to follow you.”
He never said non-moving. He said walking leisurely in the rain. Why would that be suspicious to an officer?
I wish her Honor would ask M O M to let the witness finish his answers.
(And, I want a new Ferrari.)
Love it……..”He might live there.”
THANK YOU Serino!!!!! Don’t take that bait.
Exactly MO’M, not inappropriate for him to call but certainly inappropriate for him to follow. If he was SO concerned, he should have called 9-1-1 and he didn’t.
Sereno isn’t a great witness in terms of finding the right words… but I think the jury will see through O’Mara’s sleeze ball tactics, I really do, he is worse than any dirty used car salesman imaginable, and I do not believe the mothers on this jury are buying his bullshit… at all!
Serino’s getting a little pissed off at O’Mara.
Whoa! O’Mara asks Serino is there is any evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin after the dispatcher told him not to.
Serino said, “Yes.”
O’Mara is surprised.
Serino says the location where the body was found.
Oops!
Moving along.
Good!
I loved it! And notice O’Mara didn’t address that.
the body is the best evidence that GZ’s story is a lie. It’s down Trayvon’s innocent path to home, whereas GZ’s (lying) stated innocent path would have been between his truck and where he was told we dont need you to follow, aka at the front of W11’s unit
Bam!!!! Trap laid, Omaras dumb ass falls in!
Such an annoyance … that tell-tale body.
Zimemrman did NOT indicate the TM went beteween the buildings to the NEN operator. He said that later, inconsistently
Yep
Yes there is evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s statement!
agree, of course but in Serino’s opinion he himself never found any.
Let’s not forget fogen started following before the clubhouse. Spin it however but that won’t be lost on jury.
Serino got that in–as far as he is concerned the event began off the map.
these people are making shit up all over the place. the blind leading the blind.
I hope y’all realize black males in America are on trial here.
SG2~ As are crackers’ rights to harrass them.
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Yes, indeed. Anything they do can be construed as suspicious, even if it is just standing somewhere.
I do realize, SG2. I am working hard to not get hysterical about it. I am trying so hard to hold on to my faith.
Don’t even get me started. Black men are on trial by virtue of their very being.
I just hate the way O’Mara says ” cowwect “.
ZImmerman was told we don’t need you to do that, he was nearer to his vehicle.
And serino has no evidence as to where the vehicle was, other than GZ’s word.
You are correct, willis.
What’s with the sweet, innocent, and wholesome image O’Mara is trying to portray?
He’s so full of crap!
That’s why he’s an asshole.
Correction: He’s an ASSHOLE (said in a screeching loud spitting tone).
Serino better get this right. GZ ran to the T and then stopped to bang on flashlight.
Thank you Mr. Serino–the end point of the event leads him to believe that following continued.
Exactly!
Yes
Point out that he said to have the police call him.
Definitely!!
YES, the wind noises continued!
It sure did!!
MOM just got Serino to use the term “confrontational”…
I don’t think mom makes great progress with this. Most women would be creeped out if they were followed/stalked by fogen, trust me.
Good point! OMar is actually making the case that a black kid being followed by a creepy dude would be wasting his time in calling the police for help.
BDLR could have done this yesterday and today’s rehabilitatio wouldn’t be necessary that being said NICE REBOUND
And I finally got what I.wanted from MOM, a description of Burgess IT MATCHED TRAYVON. FOGEN THOUGHT HE HAD MURDERED BURGESS!!!
tasha~ gz should have known that Burgess was safely tucked away IN JAIL ALREADY.
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Cieio, how did he know he hadn’t been released on bail? It was two weeks later.
Split hairs much
The guy was the SHERRIF
He knew the cctv were down he knew BURGESS IN JAIL.
tasha~ GZ had ears in the jail via his buddies. He was just angry that the MAINTENANCE crew got the bad guy! They stole his thunder! NOW he wanted to bag him a black male of his own.
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Yep! The HOA president brought that out when he said he sent out an email blast praising the guys for their part in capturing Burgess. To me that goes straight to why Zimmerman followed Trayvon, when he hadn’t followed the others he called NEN on. THEY followed and got praised and fogen wanted that, too.
Why bother yesterday is HISTORY just like TRAYVON BENJIM MARTIN.
Thanks to foggagge
Now ie the present
Prof said yestersay an many others.
Presently THE STATE WILL KICK foggagges but
NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT I M O.
Not mad about the present, trust that! 🙂
Anyone folled the case knows the stucco guys nailed BURGESS
An he was in jail
foggagge did know he called the nail gunners maintance men? construction workers
HE KNEW AN HE WAS PISSED THAY HAD CAUGHT
A LIVE ONE
HE HAD TO GO BETTER AN CATCH A DEAD ONE
EENY MEENY MIEY MO CATCH A TRAYVON
An make him eat crow.
Off course foggage knew BURGESS WAS IN JAIL
Its in part trial why Trayvon died MURDERED
@Colin,
You are correct, my friend. The HOA President when he testified brought up Zimmeran’s jealousy over the stucco guys getting the credit for catching that burglar.
Then, rubbing salt in Zimmerman;s wounded pride, the HOA directed Zimmerman to send out an “attaboy” congratulatory thank you e-mail about the stucco gyus and their successful catch – to all the HOA members!
Imagine how pissed poor, sensitive, unappreciated, NWCoordinator Zimmerman felt!
HOA President also testified he did not believe NW was needed at RATL. (Managed to refrain from saying, “At a cost of over $1,000,000 ,,, “)
no, not really. this is far more appropriate for the defense to bring it up and to deal with on re-direct.
Burgess WAY HEAVIER than Trayvon AND already in jail and Fogen knew it; Feb. 7, locked up. Fogen knew it.
Lots of spectators checking out jury reaction during this BS hair splitting marathon.
I don’t like the way you talk look or sarm omara
How cannot that not be a crime. I could go press charges for harassment for that kind of behavior.
How about if you’re following someone, but you’re causing the followee fear or concern? Stalking? Annoying a Minor?
How about if I come up to you in the dark and say Hi after falling you in a car and then on foot.
O’mara is dancing a dance and I don’t think he knows that the state is playing the music
Well put, Tzar!!!
Yeeoza, Tzar.
(I like your mood today.)
JESUS christ people get to the following with the car.
i am going to speculate that this will come out with other investigators, perhaps in relation to video surveillance from the clubhouse. it’s not critical to get it from this reluctant witness.
Yes. I noticed that the video was merely introduced, the content not really discussed. I look for him to loop back and pick it up.
O’Mara is making it clear that just because it is not illegal, it is nevertheless not acceptable. Is he stupid?
Re:Trayvon looking, acting suspicious. No matter how he walked or if he ran, fogen and his fanswould say he acted suspicious. Fogen said he was walking too slow, what if he’d walked fast, what if he ran? That poor child had no chance to appear “normal” and I pray the jury realizes that point.
Oh come on, a Jimmie was found weeks later? Damn you West!
How about trying to “detain” a minor???!!! WTF
FOUND DAYS LATER
an nothing to do with incident
An why allowed to mention to infer TRAYVON MAY have dropped it
More likely foggagge or a foggagge supporter not like f taffe would plant corn or false evidence.
Anything wrong with following someone? No, but it does speak to the fact that GZ was following. In that case GZ would’ve instigated the whole thing because he was following. Had he not followed… we wouldn’t be here,
Tony Pipitone@TonyPipitone3m
Recross: the way #zimmerman said a@#.,holes caused Serino no concern, not evincing ill-will spite hatred.
WTF? what jimmy? fingerprints?
how did that get in this case?
o m g there sayin TRAYVON MAY HAVE DRPPED A BUGLARY TOOL???????????????????
NO OBJECTIONS W T F?????????????????
omg, O’Mara showing his true sleeze ball side… now he is personally trying to smear Trayvon over some “what if”…. what a F-ing asshole!!
I am incensed by this!
not particularly tied to this event…so let’s discuss it
A “type of a tool” found in the bushes five days later?
And O’Mara is trying to link that to Trayvon.
Yep. Asshole. And I don’t mean that with affection.
what did they find 10 days later?
A piece of awning that would be interpreted as a tool.
what about 20 days later?
Twenty days later they found a shoe that could have been on Trayvon’s third foot.
that’s good, now I would like to know what else they found behind any other house that Trayvon may have been behind according to Zimmerman, this is good stuff
Sabrina~ to match the sidewalk Trayvon had armed himself with. They go together like bread and butter, concrete and awning. See?
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Unbelievable!
Oh and then they found some REALLY exonerating evidence but the prosecution HID IT and they have to get sanctions!
Sanction today
sanctions tomorrow
sanctions forever!!!!
I know it’s unbelievable!!
chil224~ ONLY if it had Trayvon’s prints on it, which I’d bet one million bucks it DIDN’T.
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Not mentioned to the NEN if George saw Trayvon trying to break into cars why not mention it during his call to the NEN this is way to obvious another Zimmerman lie.
And of course, it never occurred to fogen to place it there. Never would have crossed his criminal justice, class-taking mind. And, we are to believe the police just missed this in their 4 hour search? Really, fogen? Really?
So they are saying that Trayvon Martin was trying to break into vehicles! WHAT?!!!!!
Can he do that???!!!
Good morning everyone. What did I miss b/c everyone is happy today?
judge ruled to strike yesterday’s statement by serino that defendant was ‘truthful’ and further instruction to refrain from soliciting opinion from police officers. good stuff.
Thank you 🙂
Others get away, so GZ won’t let this fucking punk get away. Shows a frame of mind. BDLR needs to jump on that when he has the chance.
yes
Wow! Wow! Wow! Now he had a tool!
how does MOM know this? From a deposition?
O’Mara–might show gz’s frustration:
Taaffe said of gz: “He was mad as hell and wasn’t going to take it anymore.”
Why is o mara so smarmy or is it just me.
He is the epitome of smarmnesseness.
NOT just you….he just can’t “hep” it….
Is O’Mara working for the prosecution now?
Serino says “Oh, shit” indicated a sense of urgency. And assholes is pretty much a derogatory term.
He doesn’t like being railroaded.
MO’M knows the witnesses aren’t supposed to watch the trial.
You don’t need to be loud and screeching to have ill-will.
yep. just a gun and an intent to use it, which we know footinmouth had. Otherwise, why leave your house with a fully loaded gun and one bullet in the chamber, ready to fire?
Yes!! What hasn’t been pointed out is the simmering, tremulous anger in Z’s voice when he says, “These fuckin’ punks…they always get away.”
fogen was menacing not loud. Menacing as in predatory.
oh, now assholes is a term of affection — cannot wait until the husband comes home for dinner.
LOLOL 🙂
Kinda freudian on my part that you use assholes as term of affection and husband in the same sentence. LOL
I hope you have a comfortable couch to sleep on. LOL!
i don’t … but he does 😉
fauxmccoy~ my dearest asshole! 🙂
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and to your my darling asshole.
Wasss uppppppp Sister Spincter.
Or in your care moi dear derrier.
ahhhh, good day to you my favorite bunghole 🙂
LOL! Imma gonna need a thesaurus!
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BLDR needs to emphasize that gz included Trayvon by using the word “THESE” when gz said, “These assholes.”
exactly, “these” conflates TM with burglars.
i believe that was covered under guise of profiling.
Serino regarding the word “assholes”: “it rends toward the derogatory.”
Personally no!!!! YAY!
O’Mara, you can’t rehabilitate “asshole”, you asshole.
Well said, great logic!
LOL- classic!
But, personally he was concerned about his actions.
The point is: the deluge is coming with the forensics and the autopsy results.
We reached that conclusion last summer.
Rene Stutzman@renestutzman15m
Jurors seem attentive but not overly engaged even though Bernie is getting loud and dramatic. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman
rene is a fucking asshole. and a lousy reporter.
So MOM are you are pointing to GZ’s ill-will. He was upset and trying to stop the burglaries.
So Omara just admitted that Zimmerman profiled Trayvon as Burgess
Ah, so these assholes Don’t always get away with it.
Yeah MO’M, he said it in a loving manner. One always says these assholes always get away lovingly. And fucking coonpunks (or is that punkoons) is a term of endearment.
OH NOW we know why Fogen followed – he wanted to give the kid a hug!
ahhhhh — so there are good assholes and bad assholes — thanks for clearing that up, o’mara. i never knew.
No matter how you say it, GZ had classified Trayvon as an asshole. It was nice.
O’Mara is trying to make “assholes” into an acceptable term. Yet “creepy-ass cracka” into a major racial slur.
here comes MOM again. Oh, assholes is a nice word. Okay thanks now I get it.
trying to dumb down fogen’s comments. I would be so annoyed if I was a juror. He was just a bit frustrated, and gosh,….
NO MAKE A BLANKET APPOLAGY FOR YOUR CLIENT CAUSEING A BLANET OF DEATH THROWN OVER
an innocent CHILD with skittles an can off pop.
No, GZ didn’t just say assholes, he said fucking assholes.
he said fucking punks/coons/goons
not fucking assholes. Although, TM seems to have spoken to RJ about the idea that GZ was GOING TO FUCK HIS ASSHOLE. And the jury heard this.
Oh it’s a loving asshole. GTFOH
Hahahaha!
Go Bernie Go…Serino does not want to be there…I belive Serino was forced to declare SYG in this case I don’t think he wanted to let George go..yes lurker Serino looks conflicted.
Crypto, YOU are an ASSHOLE
Good job by Bernie.
The other agency! Took over investigation.
Good Morning all, reading comments, catching up.
GM Nef05!
Also not pointing out that the investigation moved on to another agency. As well as what Serrino would have anticipated doing had he still had the case.
TOOL M O M
Objects to Serrino speculating?
An yet when he crossed the Med Tech an showed her the photochopped nose photo extra blown up nose
A BLOWN NOSE
All he did was ask her to speculate?
goose gander omara s t f u
Would you classify the defendant as a skinny kid????
Fogen is not a skinny kid. Haha
Great question!
I feel like waving to Dave every time I see him in the gallery lol. *Waves
Exactly Lauer’s address was right there. blah blah blah address on that street(which he previously described where the truck is at) and get back in the car.
In the reenactment no yellow police tape, the Police had their minds made up that it was self-defense. Botched investigation.
Have a mental bookmark for the introduction of the security tapes. Just reviewed. I expect someone to come in and point out the headlight movements, etc.
Rachel and 7/11 video. Covering all the bases early.
Just as I surmised, Serino reached that bogus opinion before any of the forensics and autopsy results were available.
Oh God what I’d give to see the jury right now.
Then/now. Go Bernie.
Serino really looks conflicted.
Maybe he wants to say more but is fearful of his job–or never had the chance to follow up on hunches before the case was taken away from him.
BDLR now covering all the stuff he never had access to before the case moved on.
Serino has to go back to work at that racist cop shop. He’s also potentially angered that he is going to be painted as the Keystone cop who could not accomplish what the mighty FDLE could.
I think like many, he’s trying to straddle the fence, tell the truth as he sees it, and COVER HIS ARSE. He’s going to follow along with the gist of whatever he’s asked by whomever does the asking.
BDLR has completely jumped the bit about how GZ had affirmed to Singleton and him that he was knocked straight down on his back at the T, to later in the re-enactment say “I must have stumbled somehow” to place himself down 40 ft from the T.
He’s not done yet.
I know, but as he went in chronological order I doubt he will go b… Ooops he just said “no further questions, your honour”
Not all as MOST already KNOW
foggagge is fromage cheese on toastie.
BDLR gets evidence in and then lets MOM go where he wants and then BDLR wipes the floor up with them. It seems to be his style.
That’s a pattern I’ve notice too, which is why I wasn’t upset yesterday. This is all planned. Every inch.
Word for the day:
INCONSISTENCIES!
Sing it Bernie! Dayhamn!
I have said all along… That was not a misspoken statement… it was a pure fabrication!!!!
LOVE TO SAY
I told you all BERNIES NAILING DOWN THE COFFIN LID.
He is!! I love it!
Rene Stutzman@renestutzman23s
Bernie debunks #Zimmerman’s claim that he couldn’t find a house # by pointing out that there was a house w/ a # very near his truck.
Tony Pipitone@TonyPipitone2m
Remember: #Zimmerman claimed he did not know the street name attached to the numerical address seen where he left truck.
George hates BLDR and he is showing the jury the Real George Zimmerman, a liar and a muderer.
OK–we got the hands outspread vs the pic of hands beneath the body.
Exactly
Trayvon’s hands. Another lie.
I am so glad this was made clear, it’s huge.
What did Serino just mouth to O’Mara??????????
he repeated his answer for the court reporter. he was talking to court reporter
It was toward the defendant.
I’m sure gonna have a re-look at that later.
What was that look he gave behind Bernie’s back?!!
foggaggge that no fair I just didn’t know the adds of the back houses
Look at the back not over there
look in to my eyes look into my eyes
I did not MURDER A CHILD
YOU R GETTING SLEEPY
ooooooh — victim’s arms. it looks like we are covering all bases here.
Arms not spread out.
Hee hee! Go Bernie! That’s all I wanted.
BAM!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on Bernie, bring up when he got to RVC, where he went to get an address, did he ever give dispatch an address? No, instead it was call me when I get here when dispatch asked where to meet.
yes please. seems a major point.
An address on a Main street in the complex. One of the TWO main streets, out of only three in the complex. Yes, Bernie.
bernies leding us to the addresses brilliaan M O M what a fool/ toool
Back of the houses yet he was standing in front of homes! Get him BDLR!
hoooooweeeeeeee
there is a fire in Sanford today!!!!!
Let it Burn Bernie
Let it burn !!!!!!
Burn baby burn!!
And, you know the only thing the defense has to put out that fire.
Piss. (Maybe that’s why West drinks so much water.)
Serino seemed to me to resent the fact that he was taken off the case before he could finish fully, as evidenced byt he summary of his interview with the FDLE. We may be seeing something of a turf war playing out here between the locals and the FDLE/ ASA
Yes, I think that’s exactly what’s going on.
Serino is defending what he did.
Get to spreading out the arms. He was VERY detailed in that descriptive LIE.
ms lauers addt brilliant 1211
Thank God, someone finally pointed it out!!
leisurely walk vt reconstruct bs?
Are you aware of any evidence that the victim said, “Hold on! Let me take your picture when you shoot me?”
Heh.
He pprolly knew there was camras down because
They always be down
As there PHONIES
FOR
DERRENCE NOT RECORDING.
Now after the fact real ones will be installed just like the CAYLEE CASE
PHONIE CCTV DUMMY Camras
Allowed her to park death car unseen ecept by Toneeeeee.
Bernie is being very careful with his questions. I’m glad, but it’s noticable to me and probably to the jury as well that he won’t come right out and ask serino some direct questions.
“Court recessed for the day yesterday after Serino admitted that he believed George Zimmerman was telling the truth.”….
That only means he believe a LIE!!!
Oh good the suffocation lie! This is some good stuff!
I think it’s Serino who is hung over. He’s looking rough.
he always looks like that. ANd he’s been working the night shift as a patrolman lately, according to him, at his own request.
I think this case has given him demons.
I feel sorry for Serino. I think that he would have been impartial with the investigation, but he had pressures just as he has pressures now to keep his mouth shut. On 2.29.12 he did not have enough evidence to challenge CAC on the inconsistencies yet. I think that he was getting pressures from those that know he was wrong and from those trying to protect the loser at life.
I also feel that he has been under self turmoil about being pulled into this by the killer of a “skinny kid” by a grown man trying to be a cop but failed in every way.
I know that some may not agree with me, but I feel sorry for everyone affected by this, even the hateful racist folks that lash out against Trayvon and his family. This senseless murder has had a strong impact on a ton of people whether for or against the murderer and sadly, he just is not worth it – he will never be worth much of anything to anybody. He even put his wife in a position where she is facing a charge so he cares nothing about her either. His brother has displayed displeasure for young Black men and boys, his father has cursed the entire Black race and his mother does have the ability to reign them all in.
The way this case has consumed my every waking hours is terrible. Yesterday, someone put a link on my FB page that led me to a site with horrible pictures of Trayvon’s dead body and I literally screamed out in pain tears flowing (the title of the page deceived me). I intentionally avoided the pictures because I did not want to see them.
I feel sorry for everyone except for the lumpy lump CAC for putting all of us in the state we are in today.
BERNIE ZINGER he knew you were bluffing
he sure did
I wish Trayvon would have said “hold on CAC let me video tape you.”
“at that point it was a bluff”…Does that sound like we might have video on TM’s phone?
no we dont.
Bernie must have read the blog last night. I said that about him knowing there wasn’t any cameras because he was neighborhood watch. The same with Trayvon’s camera.
foggagge didn’t even realise he was on the phone.
If only TRAYVON had been filming an turned round an taped him he would be alive 2day
Oh yes! I was hoping it would get pointed out that Fogen knew there was no video!!!
Bring it Bernie !!
oh yeah!
For gods sake Bernie, ask him if this was the FIRST time that GZ spoke about TM running – he’d NEVER broight that up UNTIL played the NEN tape.
not chaseing foggagge was walkin just walkin leisuourly
I have always believed that the chances of Zimmerman taking the stand are negative infinity, and that in in the end, Zimmerman’s own recorded words to investigators and the media will be what sinks him.
Assholes get away people that victimise the neighbourhood
As oppse to murdering an innocent CHILD VICTIM.
Yes. Pointing out the inconsistencies!
Finally!
Yes.
People who victimize the neighborhood? Is Fogen speaking of himself?
I still think Fogen was doing something shady. Why else was he asking about other tenants schedule as to when they would or would not be at home.
BDLR should have asked him also “was there any evidence Trayvon had a torch with which to be as GZ said, “looking in windows”.
oh this is going to be tedious at best
Bernie is extra poised today!
Aha…could be constrewed. So fogen could be a profiler.
Oh my God answer the question before MOM objects again.
Yeah!
Along with calling him a suspect!!
This is a very effective redirect examination.
Is Crane okay? I miss her very colorful comments! I love her straight forward no hold back replies!
I miss her too.
Wonder if they will have Frank Taaffe come on next and say GZ was tired of it and wasn’t going to take it anymore.
We can only hope he’ll meet the same fate as Howard Beale.
What made them suspicious?
Fogen replies they are walking black isn’t that enough?
What? So uttering effin coons doesn’t indicate ill will hatred or spite? Make it stop!
We know he said that. Everyone else wants to believe that it was punks. It pisses me of that they are trying to attribute everything fogen did wrong to Trayvon. I believe that fogen told the truth about being on top of Trayvon, just out of order, just in case anyone had actually seen him on top.
read on wftv that gz will go on stand.
when pigs fly.
O’Mara is going to do everything possible not to however, George may have to take the stand still a ways to go sometimes there is no choice only George can explain what was on his mind however the state will tear his stories to pieces…I can’t help but believe if he does he will have a brand new story to tell;of course pieced together from his previous stories.
I’ll drink to that. Do you think we can enter this pig (fogen) in Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade? Fill his fat ass up, and let that pig fly.
Time for a new float!
The prosecution brunette is looking lovely today!!!
You crack me up!
Bernie on redirect an M O M objects to his non mind reading line of questions ofvSerrino.
Defence got to get not state of mind in
But mind reading in
Because that’s all they have
What fogggagge thought ! TRAVONS INTENTIONS WERE.
He was going to break in I thought He was drugs I thought
He was
going to take my gun an kill me I thought or had a feeling???
i repeat fo the 10th time,fogen knew TM had no flashlight…so he KNEW no break ins
The defense team are some really sick puppies. Now trying to pin a slim jim found days later on Trayvon. They probably dusted it for prints and did not find Trayvon’s print on it not to mention that it was found after the fact. I would have hoped that someone looked in those bushes that night. GZ probably put it there to try and frame the kid he killed because he knew his ass was up shits creek.
Walking down the street and looking AT houses is not a freaking crime. And why would a kid armed with a snack do a home invasion MOM. He is just trying to put things in the jury head that is not evidence. TRAYVON WAS NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIME AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS! He was on the phone with a female friend. People are not on the phone when they commit crimes so his logic makes no sense at all.
Fogen did not know that Trayvon was on the phone because of the headset. The defense is trying to ignore that, but the jury will never forget Rachel! After all that harassment from West, no one will ever forget Rachel.
Meet and have dinner! HAHA. BDLR is on it this morning.
Give GZ a little leeway – he was in charge of the NW, not the Neighborhood Welcoming Committee LOL GZ is going to be one asshole that isn’t going to get away. And like they said in opening statements, it will be because of his OWN words no matter what the witnesses or lawyers say. The jury will hear GZ’s OWN words.
Bernie is on fire today! Awesome!
Bernie, you make me laugh.
haha his own words! Have them over for dinner. Tzar are you related to BDLR? Damn coffee again!
>^..^<
Watching this case reminds me that time makes not requirement that a human being grows up, just that he becomes a larger child.
MOM sounds like a pervert. “You like that, riiight? M’kay? You would agree that this feels nice, hmmm?”
Sabrina, you made me throw up in my mouth, I have a very good imagination and could picture that. gag. You’re too funny and a little on the sick side, I like that in a person. lol
Let me cheat again (sayeth the O’Mara)
:}
Always wanting leeway.
O’Mara thus far is all over the map and being repetitive, but most of the goodies so far have gone to the State. Serino considered GZ’s injuries to be minor. That’s significant testimony.
Serino told foggagge his injurys were nonentitys an he must have a low psin thress hold to be in fear for life with pathetic boo boos
Of course Im paraphraseing.
If Fogen needed no injuries why do they keep showing those small booboos like he had been beaten within moments of adult diapers?
He doesn’t need to have injuries. One does not have to have injuries to say they were in fear of their life. However, if someone says their head was bashed again and again on concrete and they were punched in the face 20-40 times, their injuries should be consistent with their statement of such, don’t you think? And his just are NOT.
Those of us with common sense know, that this head banging on pavement “DID NOT HAPPEN!” If it had happened, this fool would not have been able to pass the neuro exam for head trauma, that was done on scene by EMS. Granted it eas just from observation but, he passed with flying colors.
It’s just not possible for something like that to happen, and he only walked away with two tiny slits on his head. NO WAY JOSE!
Does Om Look really pissed or merely hung-over? Ideas?
He is just butt ugly, he looks like that on a daily basis
LOL…thanks.
Lol!
And his attitude and sneaky behavior magnifies the butt ugly!
Hung over. I think they are celebrating before finishing the race.
Bernie’s objection took the wind out of M’OM’s sails.
I wish trials were about the truth. These guys are spitting on Lady Justice, imo.
Yes. Bernie is hopping up more.
Why is he saying “Do you hear MR ZIMMERMAN”???? WTF!!!
The State will use the FDLE to blow up this hot ass mess.
i believe the question is related to the defendant’s voice during interrogation, as is the answer. it could be misleading to the jury though — defense lawyering at it’s finest.
If Serino says that is Zimmerman, I’m gonna scream
I know…. the stealing of Trayvon’s screams makes my blood boil.
That scream is so permanently planted on the sound board of my brain, that it is part of my free floating anxiety these days.
Sereno reminds me of the kind of cop who could have been a character on NYPD Blue– Florida version
We’ve just seen two of the sleaziest and most dishonest acts that a lawyer can commit by O’Mara and West.
If a prosecutor did what O’Mara did, a mistrial would have been declared.
Surely this is trying the patience of JN.
They are desperate.
Look who they represent? Fogen turned his back on.the first two lawyers he had because they had decency and compassion, Im sure.
No — those first two lawyers were pond scum too. Just not as smart as O’Mara and not as connected as West.
How can the process be protected if there is no relief or retribution for such behavior
Can you explain which specific part of their slimy behavior this morning you’re saying would have caused a mistrial?
(Sorry, I’m slow.)
They basically hampered the prosecutions granted motion to compel testimony from Fogens’ professor. He had travel obligations and they didn’t show up for the scheduled interview and now the prof is gone. So the state was to interview him by video or submit the video they did from what i understand since it is the defense’s fault they missed it. JN will rule on it this afternoon after the state inquires to the professors’ schedule again to see if both prosecution and defense can interview him by video. The defense also indicated they may object to his testimony any way and they were just too busy working hard to deal with the prof interview.
The Professor must have some good stuff on the Fogen.
These guys are so slimy
they did not show up for the deposition
and were too busy doing tv apearances
and now want the responsibility placed on the state
they did not show up because I bet this defense is based on one of his classes. He is scared!!
Remember that Dee Dee complained about them messing with appointments with her, too.
Pattern of behaviour.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that. It’s an unprofessional and petty tactic. I get the feeling JN isn’t particularly impressed.
Of course, right. What’s to be impressed? (with an accent, of course.)
I do not believe West’s excuse about missing the perpetuation of the professor’s testimony.
I don’t believe anything Skeletor says
I thought it was the other one who was skeletor. LOL – They BOTH look like skeletors, I can’t figure out which looks more so than they other. They disgust me.
I think the crypt keeper is West long lost brother they look like twins
noooooo, get out!!
Mandatory Elaine Benes gif
not if he was out and about with his ill behaved children indulging in their white cone habit.
I agree! They are lying because the defense does not want to know about something The Professor knows about Fogen and his knowledge of self defense-defense.
What is the crypt keeper talking about? I just tuned in.
Does w not remember there is a jury under sequester? Delay, delay, delay….
Oh God…. I’ve never disliked a lawyer as much as I dislike these two crypt keepers STFU WEST!!!!
See, this exactly why yesterday upset me. BDLR could have gotten the same type of info out of Serino simply by.asking questions about Serino’s subsequent Zimmerman interviews. By not doing.that he opened this door and if the comment is allowed to stand BDLR cannot bring up any interview except the first one on re-direct.
Yes, I believe they all believed him why not aren’t black teens violent! The longer this trial goes on the it makes me garded, in this America, the land of the free unless your black. People can say what they will but this is one place where being black is challenging. When a man puts a life size model of the president in his yard with a noose around his neck and considers it a joke, I knew then that there’s no hope for America. Hundreds of years and we are still treated badly. Saying that all black males are criminals is like saying that all white males are serial killers. Im tired of the styerotyping if this child was not styerotyped & profiled we wouldnt be hear today. I say this to all that believe that GZ will beat this, “have you ran that pass God.” Maybe we dont get the murder 2 and i believe that it’s because BDLR is not doing a good job on redirect, but manslaughter that’s the least will get. I feel confident in that , yes I ran past by my God that’s why he appointed an all female Jury.
Tee, good morning and I couldn’t agree with you more. The land of the free and the home of the brave, does not apply to some in this country. Even though black men and black women have fought and died in the same wars as white men and white women, have also done the same.
Even though this I all so true, their sisters and brothers are still treated like second class citizens whose presence in this country, is still not wanted by some and we all know who they are.
These very people have shown us just how deep their racist hate and ignorance really is, by their words and actions for the past sixteen months. Their hatred for an innocent deceased child is a sore blimish on the U.S.A as a whole and, the rest of GOD’S WORLD is watching and seeing just how evil some people in this country really are.
land of the free and the home of the brave
maybe that is supposed to mean
some are free
some are brave
They had a chance, they forgot about it
Surely JN isn’t going to be impressed with whatever w’s excuse is.
Haha the professor! Love it. MOM is taking a beating.
Off to an aggressive start….Good Morning.
I love watching a good smack down first thing in the morning.
Go Bernie. The law should apply to the state AND the defense.
West is looking too studious. He does not understand this kind of stuff. He “NEEDS TIME!” to process them.
Bring his some snuff, a spit can and some water…that’ll get him revving to go.
*recalculating*
Bernie is pissed! GO BERNIE!
I understand why MOM is not getting it….they can’t recognize truth
no, they can’t handle the truth 🙂
Please let me have a chance JN. Oh please please please!! sit and stfu. Sick of Fogen and his fair trial, what about Trayvon’s fair trial.
What a way to start the day…that’s why I always bet on BLDR & Co.
Yes, indeedy.
BTW, JN seems to have gotten just a leeeetle trim of the tresses since last night’s adjournment. A good sign of vim and vigor.
I thought her hair looked a bit trimmed yesterday. But, yes, nothing like a good hair cut.
I’m guessing she and the defendant went to different salons, tho. 🙂
She is camera ready!
*HIGH FIVE*
JN is trying to lasso the asses(donkey) that is running amok.
JN is trying to teach mom how to read for content. 🙂
he can read he just does not like the substance.
O’Mara: The tumblin case your honor was about someone named Tumblin, this case your honor is about a person named Zimmerman, so respectfully this case does not apply at all.
You are too funny!
Tzar I am skipping over you for a few. Every morning you make me wear my coffee! 😉
O’Mara: Further your honor, The tumblin case your honor happened several years ago, this case your honor is in 2013, as in the present, in addition your honor, FACEBOOK! so respectfully this case does not apply at all.
OMG! You are like my coffee I am addicted and can not get enough. To the corner Tzar!
LOL!
Tzar is a hoot!
ITA, you are not far behind! However you take it easy on my clothes. 🙂
I can’t help it, they make it so easy
Laughter is good for the soul. You’re good for my soul b/c I was feeling so down and you lifted my spirits. 🙂
Me too. I’ve been very down, hugging & kissing my son, so emotional & crying every day. Thanks for the comic relief.
algorithms, your honor!
@Tzar,
OT, check the sophisticated wardrobe on Sweet Browns Sugar …
far too much class for the company she’s keeping!
way ahead of you
women make the world tolerable, even wonderful 🙂
Will you marry me?
sure!!!!
Awww. I love you, Tzar.
love you too!!!!!
Brilliant! LMFAO!
Sure wish his client had given Trayvon a fair shot.
You better werk girl! Spot on!
JN keeps telling him to read it. Think mom would rather just chat.
Maybe O’Mara can’t read typeset
Don’t let’s get all pendulum on BDLR.
HE KNEW that a police officer’s belief or opinion about a suspect was not admissible evidence.
There was no reason for that shyt to go INTO the record.
NEVER HAD A DOUBT!!! Love me some Bernie!!!
Yep. Do NOT doubt Bernie. Like I said upthread, he is gonna lay it all out now, but he will tie it all up neatly and deliver it BOOM one concise package in the end.
Read it MOM. Stop screwing around. I do not think JN is going to let you can continue questioning him until this is resolved.
Gotta love her!
SIT DOWN O’MARA!!!
I have to quote Xena here: “Get him Bernie! Get, get him, get him, get him!”
does he sound pissed? LOL
BDLR wants serino’s state that he felt GZ was telling the truth struck.
Wow! Bernie come into court prepared to kick some A**! I loved the look on MOM’s face when Bernie submitted a motion backed by case law! Is the intern on MOM’s team taking the place of West? She sure seems to be more active now than in the past!
Wish he did this yesterday
The State’s motion to strike and disregard is called closing the barn door after the horse gets out.
Lol. Awesome idiom to describe the situation.
Professor, do you think there is a method to what the prosecution has done?
At least they came back fighting today. Proof that your observations of what happened yesterday matches theirs.
O’Mara does not have a leg to stand on. His argument is ridiculous.
I am going to share a true story with you. Last month, the Saturday before the trial started, I attended an Irish Festival in the state I live in. It was at a horse race track. Horse racing was going on that day as well.
After the festival, I decided to do a little betting on the horses. I am not much of a gambler, but it looked liked fun.
I placed a $20 bet on a horse that had very long shots. In fact, this horse was not favored to win and was picked to come in last. I picked this horse to win, despite what others were saying, because I was inspired by the name of the horse.
I have followed this case since last March. Like all of you, I have been appalled at such a miscarriage of justice. So I have waited for this trial to begin.
When I saw the name of the horse, and two days before this trial began, I knew I could not lose.
The name of the horse was….Skittles.
He came in first. I won $160.00.
I am still inspired. I believe we will win this trial.
How awesome. Thanks for sharing that story!
Goosebumps 🙂
Excellent
I knew Serino and Singleton violated the motion in limine, bernie is bolstering it now and hopefully their statement will be stricken from the record
I am hoping he shuts this shit down! That imo is why MOM wanted to address right after he gets done with Serino. (right after my words)
It will, but it still pisses me off. You can’t un-ring a bell ya know?
I still think Bernie will turn it around though on re-direct, and the jury will see the sleeze tactic of the defense.
yup!!
mom not happy to be “interrupted”.
Don’t mind if I defer watching until that horse-faced heathen is finished with his cross examination. He makes my flesh crawl.
I surely agree with that, they make me shudder!
BDLR must think MOM is pushing it.
Where is the donate button?
top right
TY!
Good morning, everyone.
Let trayvons spirit be in that court room today…
Let six women ..see.. the truth….
Aho!
Ashe’.
Good morning!
present!
Affirmation for the day:
The Hand of Spirit is working through this trial to bring Perfect Healing and Transformation. Aho!
Aho!
Say it IS so!
That is beautiful. Thank you.
I agree. Ashe’.
I am assuming you are not familiar with police culture
territoriality is so ingrained in their ethos and personality that it is a American cliche and a Hollywood trope
I believe in Bernie’s commitment to justice. We have a long way to go, and I’m with him all the way.
I am with Trayvon Martin all the way and I want justice for that young man, I’m not a blind fan to anyone that I think fails him in any way. That is where we differ.
And good morning to all
ummmm…gosh, early for this. I didn’t say I was a blind fan, either.
Ok good then you won’t complain when I agree with the Prof that yesterday was not a good day for the Pross when it was supposed to be a homerun. Like everyone here I am praying that today is better.
Not sure why all the argumentative tone, but whatever. My cornflakes were fine this morning. 🙂
Mornin 🙂
I’m with you, neighbor. I’m not one to lie to myself or others. I’m going to call it like I see it.
Good morning!
Ms. X~ And yet you don’t think there’s a right way to converse and wrong way that alienates your allies. SOME people have lots of learning to do in that area.
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I agree, Gwynne. Lets all see where this goes.
Good morning,
Hoodies Up, Seekers of Justice.
I’m keeping my heart open to all good things today.
Watching, learning, discerning and keeping the faith.
I hope we all have our positive attitudes in place? Perhaps we can make it thru the day without projecting negative vibes into our community? Now if they could just get that State Seal straight on the court room wall! I don’t know why but it being crooked seems strange but normal for the state of Florida! Perhaps it is because there are so many other crooked thing there? 😉
fingers crossed that there are no negative vibes
I second that!
What I would like to see is a rephrasing of posts that express worries and concerns.
I would like to see people write something like this:
Yes! That would be a welcome change. No flooding pulease!!!
That is entirely dependent upon how the State rebounds from yesterday’s fiasco.
How are you feeling now?
I THIRD!!!! GM!
(in my Miss Celie voice) I’z HERE!
Sista…you been on my mind
I’ll share some lyrics by Bob Dylan, the Good Zimmerman:
I don’t mind a reasonable amount of trouble,
Trouble always comes to pass….
The light will win out, I believe.
Love that Deborah!
I’d fix it, but they won’t let me!
Is it night?
Is it morning?
What day is this?
What is s-l-e-e-e-e-p?
NEVERTHELESS, WE’RE BACK AT IT!
good question, pmom. am feeling like a zombie.
fauxmccoy, did you and your hubby figure out the mystery of the phone calls? Involving the IP address instead of phone number?
no — am at a standstill on that front, sorry.
Did he use a blackberry?
yes – but all numbers i checked were tmobile.
Blackberry secure message show’s IP of blackberry server but does not directly trace to mobile number, and getting RIM to release numbers is virtually impossible, they have refused to honor court orders from the US before… Just trying to give you a little input into what you may be seeing. Any bets that FT and MO also use Blackberry phones?
I think the IP addresses are calls by some app in the phone, automated, like checking or notifying that new mail has arrived. The IP shown would always be the last one before the phone itself; you can’t tell from that where the signal ended up. That’s why it’s a TMobile IP as it was their towers.
Outgoing such calls could be someone sending emails with the phone. No times were recorded, so I imagine data is counted by megabyte, not by minutes.
I use T-Mobile and e-mails and text messages show up on the Data usage, however I have noticed on my Blackberry (yes, I am an antique and still use one of them!) the only thing that shows the IP address in the phone call portion is when I use the Blackberry secure Message program, and then it shows the IP of the Blackberry server and no phone number. I also have a Galaxy III and I will admit, I can’t figure out the billing on it from T-Mobile, their billing process is rather strange at best….
Hoodies up, guys! Today is going to be the day. I can feel it in my bones.
I like your attitude John!
Hoodies up!!
Question for everyone here:
Does anyone think there is even a remote chance that anyone on that jury believes that after Trayvon was shot in the chest that he said “You got me” to Zimmerman??
I don’t. I think after the jury heard that yesterday they all realized without doubt that Zimmerman was lying. Period.
Good point, and I certainly hope that bizarre statement gets the juror’s attention. It sounds like something fogen heard on a saturday morning cartoon and decided to quote. Totally unbelievable.
I have mixed feelings. Considering that GZ said he got on top of Trayvon after the gunshot and that he allegedly asked a witness to help restrain him, maybe the jury will believe Trayvon spoke.
On the other hand, if Trayvon spoke and later was apparently not in need of being restrained, laying on his face in the rain, how is it that GZ and/or neighbor did not try to save Trayvon’s life with CPR or call for medical help?
I would also know if GZ was there at the crime scene when the officer was giving CPR or his body was eventually covered by the officer when he realized Trayvon was dead.
Jim, I believe the ME will destroy that lie
That is Jm not Jim
I don’t but I am afraid. As I said above, I am surprised by how others have an entirely different perspective of the same trial. Boggles my mind. So I do harbor fear that the jury could do the same.
There is something that has always bothered me about footinmouth’s story about the shooting. He has stuck to his story that Trayvon said “you got me” or something to that effect. BUT….in his statements (all of them) he says that Tryavon saw the gun and was reaching for it and that is why he was in fear.
Yet…in the reenactment, he says to the officers something like, “he said you got me. I wasn’t sure I shot him.” Then footinmouth says, and this is the part that gets me, “I felt like that is when he (Trayvon) knew there was a gun.” but he says that after Trayvon is shot.
How can that be if Trayvon was reaching for it before you shot him, dips###? If he was reaching for it, he knew before you shot him, not after.
I do think that was powerful, however, the jurors complained of not being able to hear very well AFTER all of the tapes were played so should we really believe they will thoroughly review those tapes? They don’t have to review everything single piece of evidence presented. It was another fail by the state to not make sure THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR CASE was loud and clear to the jury or at least stop frequently to draw attention to certain parts and make sure the jury understood the evidence.
Keep in mind that everything that gets introduced into evidence will go with the jury into the jury room when they deliberate. They will be able to play any tape as many times as they want. When they deliberate they get to examine all the evidence for as long as they want without the blathering defense trying to confuse them.
That is why I am trying to pay close attention to the exhibits, and to the testimony of the witnesses. What O’Mara and West say will not be in that evidence box.
I believe they’ll review it, with their undivided attention, possibly more than once and possibly even ask if a transcript is available, based on the commentary about how the jury’s attention was super-focused and not even taking notes during the playing of the tape. My impression was they thoroughly understood the importance of it.
I read all your stuff yesterday & what everybody wrote back to you. Then this a.m. I listened to the trial on msnbc while at work. I was very pleased to hear Bernie do all the things the wiser posters here had said he would do. So far today the state is rocking the house, I get on here & the first post I read by you is critical. I think you must just be an extreme taskmaster. I hope you are as hard on yourself as you are on others. Imho
I would think he would be in so much pain that if he could utter anything it would be a cry for help. John talked about common sense. “You got me” makes NO sense.
I talked to a co-worker this morning and she seemed more impressed by the videos than anything Serino and Singleton had to say. She paid very close attention to the questions and Zimmerman’s answers and could not believe they did not arrest him that day (during the challenge).
Yep! I felt the same way!
I agree wholeheartedly, especially for those who had never heard them before.
I think the ME will address that. At least I hope.
I think so too Sophia, just in case there may be a lingering doubt. But bottom line is in the end the jury will KNOW it’s a LIE by Fogen. When you really think about it, Fogen is pretty stupid! Or rather- delusional!
I think its probable that at least some members of the jury only know Black people or even young people Tryvon’s age from tv. For example, one of the juror’s said she thought Trayvon shouldn’t have been out so late at night. There are MANY people who don’t think 7 is late. But its possible that a person of a certain mindset might agree with gz that certain people don’t need to be out after dark, and that they don’t personally know any reprsentative of this group.
I am hoping the State will bring in medical experts to testify that with a hole blown through his lung, the lung would instantly start filling with blood. when any liquid or foreign object enters our respiratory tract the body is hard wired to react with spasms and coughing up what ever the substance was. If Trayvon had lived long enough to speak, he would have been choking on blood and spitting it right into Zimmerman’s face. The assertion that Trayvon simply sat up, politely raised his hands in surrender and spoke as if in injured is not physiologically possible.
I fully expect that exact type of testimony!
System-thinking – as we move on
In my humble opinion, I think this case is going well. I do NOT for one second question the prosecutorial élan of BDLR, Guy and Mantei. These folks are the ultimate Sky-Hawks. And like all Sky-Hawks, they kill their prey neatly without leaving any mess behind. They may appear too nice and dignified. But in truth, they aren’t and no prosecutor is. Anyone who wants to hang you or take away your freedom for life ain’t “nice” or “dignified”. They will glean whatever is positive from SPD and stay out of the rest. Their goal is GZ, not the SPD and definitely not O’Mara and West. In some of our interactions and thought exchanges on other threads Professor described criminal trials as ‘trench warfare’. No other words can better describe adversarial litigations. I understand and respect the heart wrenching fear and concerns expressed by of a few of us up thread – given the history of our nation. There is fear amongst a significant minority group of our society. We all shear that fear. The stakes are very. In all trench-warfare you take in a pre-calculated number of casualties. There thus definitely will be painful days. But like all well planned wars where ALL the strength and weakness of the enemy is known and accounted for in the war plan and strategy, the outcome of the war is not in doubt. Within their trial strategy, Corey, BDLR, Guy and Mantei have made specific calculations. GZ’s strength and weaknesses haven been catalogued, assessed and weighed against irrefutable evidence and found seriously lacking – beyond reasonable doubt. That is why these Sky-Hawks are taking GZ head on by introducing ALL his statements and claim of self-defense and calling witnesses who are friendliest to him (G). It takes overwhelming prosecutorial confidence to do that – trust me. There is absolutely no reason to- or room for despair!
well said. I agree. I watch the nightly news and most are stating that the defense is winning and the state is providing them the witnesses to win. I cannot understand how others do not see and hear what I hear. I don’t think they are watching the same trial.
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Donna- yep! Took a bet with a friend who seems to think that GZ will walk. But then again, all he has is the local skewed news. And no, I don’t feel guilty!
We see the world not as it is, but as WE are. (Talmud)
A wonderful statement, and very very true.
The problem is that we don’t know how the jury will respond.
I could have puked when O’Mara mentioned some potential burglary tool in the bushes. Remember they picked up Fogen at his house the next day before the reenactment. Did he do a harmless little dog walk before that. Didn’t he suggest somewhere that’s were he always walks his dog?
Nope, I’m feeling much more confident today after reading some of the comments here. He’s definitely going to be found guilty. I just know it. In my heart of hearts. Dr. Leatherman was a professor of law and a famous defense attorney and I believe in his analysis over these talking heads any day of the week. Justice for Trayvon!
Awesome post! I agree.
I too think things are going well. To me the video and audio from yesterday was so powerful because the jury saw Fogen lying with their own eyes and ears! So much of what he said just can’t be true!
@Searcher –
Great! We needed that! Makes absolute sense.
(“Absolute sense is sense, absolutely!”)
A great general once said that good generals win first and then go to war, whereas unprepared generals go to war first and then try to win. I hope that is what’s going on here. And I also agree that despite what kind of spin the media is putting on it, it looks good for the prosecution. Everyone seems to be focused on the wrong thing. The so-called “challenge interview” is (IMO) what the jury is going to take into consideration very deeply. What Serino says he believed is tricky, but also very consistent with what he had to work with at the time. The State will eventually get the kudos, not SPD.
SeachingMind thank you TY TY.Can I ask when people are allowed into the trial are they asked if they for either side and who are the people behind Trayvon’s parents.
That’s what I’m thinking too. Lay it all out now, tie it all up at the end and deliver it in a nice neat little package.
Great post! Thanks for being tolerant of everyone’s viewpoint and pointing out that the historical perspective for each of us is relevant.
about what i am telling myself, searching mind.
also important for newcomers to this blog to be aware — searching mind is one of our resident attorneys. (hope i did not blow your cover, SM, if so, kindly forgive. your words carry great weight in my mind.)
@SM… Most excellent post… thank you, we needed that!
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hola hermanita!
Buenos Dias!
good morning.
Professor, I asked a question to someone on the last post about why footinmouth’s coworker’s statements about him acting as jeckyl and hyde cannot be brought in. The coworker said that footinmouth would snap, and once threw a woman and injured her foot.
I think it was YAHTC said it could not be brought in because if is his past and not relevant.
Why would it not be relevant? When the defense asked Serino about footinmouth’s demeanor and affect, did they open the door for it to come in by the State?
The question and answer regarding GZ’s demeanor during the interrogation was limited to the interrogation only and is not enough to open the door for the State to introduce character evidence.
However, Ms. Lauer testified as to GZ’s character. I think the State will be filing a Motion to introduce character evidence based on that.
SearchingMind you hit the nail on the head!!!… BDLR came out the gate challenging the character questions this morning.
rules of evidence — past bad acts cannot be brought in as character evidence unless the defense ‘opens the door’ by providing their own character witnesses stating the defendant was an alterboy etc.
if you notice, some of the edits in the video interviews yesterday were things serino stated about trayvon being a ‘good kid’ etc. the prosecution wanted no character evidence of trayvon being entered for the same reason.
thanks. It’s too bad because it shows how quickly he can snap and recover
well, if you remember during the jenna lauer testimony, o’mara solicited character evidence – there is argument before the court that this ‘opened the door’ to character evidence against zimmerman – we are awaiting a determination. laurer was not formally excused but remains under subpoena and is subject to recall. any door opened for zimmerman does not in itself do the same for martin.
fauxmccoy what character evidence are you saying OMara solicited that “opened the door” for character evidence against Zimmerman? And how do you know there is a pending determination? I ask because when they side bar we can’t hear anything. If this is true, this will open the floodgates and I think it will be real interesting to see if BDLR will actually use this to his advantage this time.
I hope the judge says yes.
o’mara asked jenna lauer if she knew zimmerman to be a ‘hothead’ etc. from her experience with him at HOA meetings. judge instructed her she was subject to recall and still under subpoena. this was after a very involved sidebar because BDLR was asking outside of the jury if ms lauer was aware of the defendant’s previous legal scrapes and violence. should be interesting!
Also, someone had stated prior on the post somewhere that OMara is making 2 points. 1. George Zimmerman cooperated fully and 2. He displayed no anger or hatred towards the boy. If they can bring his past behavior into evidence then it would be beneficial to the prosecution in possibly explaining away his actions and flat affect. He was calculated in that he did not want to give the appearance because he learned in the past it led to trouble. The flat affect and numbness, isnt that a tactic they use to try and beat polygraph tests?
i think ‘flat affect’ is normal for gz and his psychological makeup and is compounded by his med load, although i am not qualified to diagnose.
fauxmccoy, I certainly agree. Now that you have refreshed my memory I do remember that “hothead” comment and I do recall the judge telling Lauer she was subject to recall.
That was definitely a good catch by BDLR.
oh, i’m sure they are on constant lookout for such, as is the defense.
There was nothing wrong with trayvon’s character.
klly — don’t be dense. you know darn well that the defense has ‘evidence’ that they will introduce to prejudice the jury … leatherman has covered this many times.
do i think there’s a character problem? no.
would the jury? possibly
think like a prosecutor, this is a legal blog.
I believe there was a door opening to bring in some of Zimmerman’s past info, but not with Serino. Remember they talked about the domestic violence and battery on an officer. I think it was Jenna Lauer, though I may be mistake. The “interactions with others” question O’Mara asked last week. I remember there was an 8:30 hearing the next morning, but I go to have breakfast with my mom most mornings and didn’t see it.
Perhaps someone can post how the judge ruled on that? I believe that’s one of the reasons Ms. Lauer was not released, but subject to recall.
All that said, I don’t know that the *throwing the woman across the room* info can come in because there is no documentation? Maybe they can bring in the guy who said it, if they want to go that far. I think they’ll be satisfied with those interactions that have documentation from the police/court. There’s certainly enough of it. I believe there’s at least three (DV, Battery of LEO and road rage). Not with Serino though. I think they would have to recall Lauer.
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Good morning! Hoodies up!
Hoodies UP!
I am watching for the prosecution to bring all the lies and inconsistencies out into a great light today on re-cross. By showing how easy it is for the defendant to lie… starting with his lie about being a Criminal Justice graduate during the first interview with Serino.
good morning to everyone
I’ve been wondering about your avatar.
So, we take Everything with a grain of salt?
A good philosophy, I think. And, a nice reminder.
i too love your avatar — iconic. have used it myself on forums past and as a halowe’en costume 🙂
Chi1224, when I was a little girl I would look at the Morton salt girl for hours, I loved the way she went on infinitely ! One of my favorite images, 🙂
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Good morning to all …
Good morning to all. Hoping all goes well for the prosecution today.
Good morning to all!