Tuesday, July 2, 2013
Good afternoon:
Court will resume this afternoon at 1:30 pm EDT.
Chris Serino and Mark Osterman testified during the morning session.
Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbcnews.com/52117880/
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Great news. I entered my name in the lottery to attend the trial tomorrow. Well, they called me back! She said I am not to use my iPad or iPhone, so will try to take good notes.
please tell us where GZ is LOOKING all the time if you can see that.
On camera, we see him making eyes in various directions but never can connect that with whether he looks at the jurors or the judge or that seal that reminds him of pizza.
Also, please have lunch with BDLR and make him watch whonoze’s video.
Lol, Willis. I doubt if anyone will let me near BDLR.
Foggen was looking at the jurors, to see how the performances he has been doing for them, have been working. What he forgets about is that he has unguarded moments when his true self shines through. He doesn’t realize that is what is putting the jurors off.
That’s wonderful news. I’m really looking forward to reading your comments tomorrow. 🙂
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Diary- COOL BEANS!! Now behave! No spitting at MOM or West! No tacks on GZs chair!
FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62
Off topic…but this made me tear up…
http://blackamericaweb.com/142401/trayvon-martin-was-one-of-the-few-guys-who-didnt-tease-rachel-jeantel-rod-vereen/
“Vereen recounted a prior interview with Jeantel where she explained their bond, “she said he was one of the few guys that never made fun of me, about the way I dressed, about the way I talked, about my hair, about my complexion… about my weight.”
Bless you Trayvon!
Bless his heart.
That just goes to show good character from this young man. So proud of him and Rachel.
And then there’s this: ‘Reading Rainbow’ Host LeVar Burton’s Guide to Avoid Getting Shot by the Cops
Lonnie~ WOW! I keep my hands motionless on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to approach and talk to me. Then I move slowly to get my ID and insurance. In Houston, HPD don’t care WHO you are, they will MESS with you if they can.
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He was a good kid.
A good day for the prosecution but a bad day for the space time continuim theory proponents.
Still unclear if the prosecution “gets” that Zimmerman chased trayvon with his car before chasing him on foot. Osteman himself spoke to this idea and Bernie seemingly let it pass un-highlighted.
He seems to let a lot of things that could be favorable to his case fly by the jury when a question or two would really score points with the jury.
Like how they spent all of.tbis time saying Zimmerman was bigger than Martin and MMA trained only to give the smaller Martin the ability to knock Zimmerman on his ass with one punch. Im absolutely LIVID.
Serino did mention in testimony that he didn’t believe Trayvon knocked Fogen down with one punch.
Tasha- pissed and livid. Maybe a Xanax is in order.
FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62
Attorney Darren Kavinoky is highly pissed about prosecution he said prosecution is like a boxer taking a dive. He thinks the interview with Hannity should have been played later so that Zimmerman would have to answer why he said what he said in the interview. The after dark how is awesome. The recreated community and just them recreating all of the events of the day is wonderful. The fake jury asks some really good questions. There was a red headed juror who said as dark as it was, how could Martin see the gun? true! another juror actually took part in the reenactment as Zimmerman, he layed on the grass with his head on the concrete the other male juror straddled him and he placed his hand over the guy playing Zimmermans mouth and took his other hand and placed it over his nose.
The question came up, what as Zimmerman doing with his hands? Martin was only 158 lbs!! Now the big thing for me was when the entire fake jury voted NO!! Martin never touched the gun. The guy who played Zimmerman was asked why he voted no, he said because Martin was right handed and the gun was on Zimmermans right side, he said Martin would have had to reach over as a right handed person for the gun but not only that he felt that the way that Martin straddled Zimmerman and with all that Zimmerman says Martin was doing there is no way that Martin would have taken the time nor even think he had a gun. Martin supposedly was banging Zimmermans head, covering his nose, mouth and reaching with his third hand for a gun. Bull crap.
I will be glad when Zimmerman is found guilty so that he can tell on Osterman and Taafe. These people are very curious to me.Why is it that they are so apt to clear George. Zimmerman seemed to be frustrated with Osterman even speaking. Something in the milk ain’t clean. If they did not put Zimmerman up to killing Martin I can bet you that Zimmerman knows that those 2 are opportunist who are using his arrest for money. Taafe is getting paid for all of his interviews and Osterman is writing books. Where is that 1 black friend and those black kids Zimmerman mentored?
I’ve been waiting for someone to actually get on the ground properly. Now we just have to get that into the courtroom.
Since I’m so dumb let me allow you internet geniuses to school me.
I concede that Dr. Rao was effective in hammering home the point that Zimmerman’s injuries were insignificant BUT A JURY COULD SEE THAT TOO.
So since I’m supposedly a rock headed fool TELL ME WHAT GOOD CAME FROM HER SAYING MARTIN HAD PUNCHED ZIMMERMAN AND BANGED HIS HEAD ON CONCRETE???
Their own witness, Rachel endured two days on the stand insisting her friend said get off and didn’t attack. Doesn’t this diminish her testimony? WOULDN’T A TAKEDOWN MOVE BY ZIMMERMAN BETTER ACCOUNT FOR ZIMMERMAN’S INJURY AND MARTIN’S WORDS?
tasha- Trayvon had every right to defend himself. A man followed him by car and then chased him on foot. She did not say he slammed his head she is saying it is cons. with bumping head on side walk. He could have bumped it with they were wrestling. The prosecutors are not going to ignore the injuries. BUT keep in mind Trayvon had the RIGHT to defend himself from a man who followed and chase him!
I understand that but she can’t say Martin caused Zimmerman’s nose to bleed.with a punch yet Martin had no blood on his hands. And they dont have to explain how, only.that what Zimmerman said is IMPOSSIBLE.
She testified beyond the scope of her knowledge having never visited.the scene yet she could tell what kind of concrete impression would be on Zimmerman’s head from a video? And I still want to know how the right handed Martin caused injury to the left side of Zimmerman’s nose AND WHERE DID THE TWO PIN PRICKS COME FROM? Did Martin also bend over and bite two pieces of flesh from his nose? To mean the head abrasions can all be explained by a rolling takedown move? Wtf couldn’t she say.that?
There was no blood coming from his nostrils any got damn way but ONLY from those two pricks. How could Martin have done.that?????
I meant the right side of Zimmerman’s nose. If Martin is.right handed.the blow should connect.with.the left said of Zimmerman’s face. That dumb bitch sat.there and demonstrated a head on fist blow to Zimmerman’s face by Martin. WHAT GOOD CAME FROM.THIS.PURE SPECULATION????And damning SPECULATION at that?
Too many.typos to correct…
And finally, if you’re hit hard enough for your head to bounce on three sides that’s pretty damned hard lol. Just imagining.this foolishness cracked me up. The prosecution had a WONDERFUL DAY except for pure speculation by Dr. Rao. In fact, her hypothesis is as dumb as Fogens story. But I digress.
That’s not necessarily true. Depends on their relative positions.
Rao’s testimony gives official credibility to the fact that Fogen’s wounds are insignificant and that he didn’t get punched or have his head slammed as many times as he claimed he did.
The prosecution is exposing his lies and exaggerations step by step.
You said, “AND WHERE DID THE TWO PIN PRICKS COME FROM?”
My guess is the recoil caused the rear sight on the gun to scrape the tip of his nose. This is a close-up of the two pronged sight. Coincidence? Nope.
http://tinyurl.com/kxgjhmz
I also believe the lumps on the top of his head came from him whacking his own head with the gun. Would cause a slight lump and maybe a small bruise.
It would also cause a perfect imprint of the gun on his scalp if he held the barrel of the gun and smacked it with his right hand.
Reference these two pictures. #11 and #26
http://tinyurl.com/kjakzaf
The shadow of #26 around the trigger and grip match perfectly with the red imprint on his scalp near the laceration on #11.
Also, #13 show the pin pricks.
Who knows? Maybe the punctate is razor bumps from shaving his head. I don’t buy the concrete rash story either.
Oops! Meant to make that two posts. I’m in moderation purgatory. I’ll repost now. Sorry.
You said, “AND WHERE DID THE TWO PIN PRICKS COME FROM?”
My guess is the recoil caused the rear sight on the gun to scrape the tip of his nose. This is a close-up of the two pronged sight. Coincidence? Nope.
http://tinyurl.com/kxgjhmz
I also believe the lumps on the top of his head came from him whacking his own head with the gun. Would cause a slight lump and maybe a small bruise.
It would also cause a perfect imprint of the gun on his scalp if he held the barrel of the gun and smacked it with his right hand.
Reference these two pictures. #11 and #26
http://tinyurl.com/kjakzaf
The shadow of #26 around the trigger and grip match perfectly with the red imprint on his scalp near the laceration on #11.
Also, #13 show the pin pricks.
Who knows? Maybe the punctate is razor bumps from shaving his head. I don’t buy the concrete rash story either.
Honestly, I think GZ bumped his lumpy head when he tackled Trayvon to the ground which was the “thump” that Rachel heard. Rolling around on the sidewalk and grass could explain the punctate on GZ scalp which is not consistent with slamming of the head. I do not believe that Trayvon ever laid a hand on GZ and only tried to escape, remember Trayvon was not a fighter. He did not fight his own peers so I am sure he would not fight a complete grown stranger that he found creepy. The CAC was following him and Rachel’s suggestion that he could be a rapist. That would scare anyone walking and minding their business but being followed in the dark.
The nose sound more like recoil from the pistol to me.
That is just my opinion about his lumpy head and empty head.
actually she never said that
she said Zimmerman’s facial injuries could have come from one punch
New post up:
Prosecution delivers in seventh day of trial in Zimmerman case
I’m hoping the second of the state’s witnesses the flew in and who will have to stay overnight is someone from T-Mobile to introduce GZ’s texts. Hannity interview: GZ hadn’t heard of SYG; Professor: Oh yes he had; texts back and forth about how to pull off a SYG/self-defense claim. Of course, I’m speculating that the texts are important at all, but there’s a reason the phone records of both Trayvon and GZ were released last week.
I know the defense is saying the blood did not come out of fogen’s nose until he stood up. Let me cut thru the bull shit. Whatever. What I do find interesting is the blood runs straight down nose to mouth and lip area. Why isn’t the blood from the nose running down his cheeks, mustache area? The blood near ear came from the back. It is my opinion that nose injury happened near the end of the struggle. Maybe gun went to chest area and Trayvon punched him or maybe gun hit him.
Please do not recite the bull shit that it went into his throat. I am not an ignorant person so that shit is not flying with my b.s. detector. Thanks in advance. Oh and I really do want answers. 🙂
Agree with you that nose injury occurred late in the altercation, and that it wasn’t a major nose injury (or it’d have bled profusely).
Recoil.
Wanted to say thank you to all you good people. Been very sick and I think I will be meeting Trayvon before any of you. (No sympathy please) if he does not know of all of you he will. I have all of your names and will certainly pass them to him. Can’t wait to meet him and give him a big hug for all here. . Thank you again for being my rock for last several months.
Thank you.
God bless you Leisa…(((hugs)))
Wow. I’m speechless. I pray your transition will be painless and I pray you will be ushered by a relative or friend who truly loves you. When my time comes I can’t wait to see my grandmother. I will be happy to be among a few generations of grands. It is so scary to the living, but I pray ypu won’t be afraid when your time comes. I hug you. (((((((((Leisa))))))))
Thank you, as well.
May God bless you, Leisa, and make your transition gentle and peaceful.
I send you my love and hugs.
I just wanted to come back, Leisa, and say Thank You for touching our lives with your goodness!
Leisa . the true of heart an soul always find peace.
Release witness wonders to never cease only increase.
As your soul soars never to taste defeat as your heart always had a true an worthy beat.
In this youl know an come to meet your saviour whomer will be there to greet.
And I must stop now as Im GREETING =crying for real.
bless you.
Godspeed, Leisa. Rest well.
Thank you, Leisa.
I just said a little prayer for you and if you do pass, tell Trayvon we love him and we’re doing our best.
(((hug)))
Hugs from me. Bug hugs, Leisa.
All our thoughts go out to you. If you see Trayvon, say hi to my brother as well. He’s the guy in a friendly argument with Trayvon over who’s better, Kobe or Lebron?
Bless you!
I will be praying for your family, and complete and utter peace for you!
Blessings to you!
Have courage! I hope you’re not in pain.
God bless you and yes, please tell Trayvon that I send my love.
May God bless you and embrace you.
Thank you, Leisa. May your transition be peaceful and may your family find comfort in your love.
God bless you!
God bless you Leisa. We are honored to have been graced with your presence.
My hoodie’s up for you, too. Leisa.
I don’t know if it is appropriate for me to say anything. I was not here for long and I don’t know your condition or ailments. I was not going to post anything because of that but, my heart is aching from reading your post and I feel inhuman if I don’t at least say that I am sorry and I hope that your transition is met will peace and pleasant thoughts.
via con dios. I hope you do meet Trayvon because then you will know you are in Heaven. But I hope it’s later rather than sooner, and on your own terms.
I’m so sorry to hear your news! I’ve read your comments so many times over the course of this case, and you will be missed. Rest well and remember the love everyone here has for you. I wish you peace.
Leisa- courage, sister. I will be holding your hands in spirit, thought and prayer. Travel in joy. Leave in peace.
Our lives are not counted in how many breaths we take, but in those moments that take our breath away. Which you have given us many times. Be well and fare well.
Can I use a quote from the movie Here On Earth…
Sam: “I love this spot, it’s like heaven right here on earth, maybe that’s what heaven is, maybe we go through life collecting people and places we love and they become in our heaven and that’s where your mom is, she in her heaven surrounded by everything that she loves… including you.”
Wishing you joy and ease. Admiring your courage and steadfastness and constance.
Leisa,
Thank you for blessing us with knowing you and your kindred spirit. You have been a rock for Trayvon and in the righteous fight for Truth and Justice. Carry our love on angel wing.
We will miss your mortal postings here but will hold your blessed immortal spirit in our loving hearts. We treasure the gift of knowing you. Much love, Vicki MedicineBear
wishing you well Leisa. keep the faith.
May the peace of God be upon you…
Heeeheeehee you guys were right about Treeper giving MOM questions to ask witnesses. I just ventured over there to see what they were talking about and Lord behold
“Dr. Valerie Rao – who the defense was trying to depose, but was unable to locate. From Jacksonville? What friggin’ value other than propaganda is her intent? What’s the backstory on her? How and what is the relationship between Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda, and Angela Corey, to her. What is their prior association? Prior history? Prior cases?
What can we find?
One example: (Hat Tip Tara)”
MOM should be ashamed of himself. He has a table full of law clerks (interns) to do his research but instead he utilize the services of an uneducated foolish conspiracy theorist.
Gosh, I wish the prosecution would try it.
So presenting scientific evidence is propaganda. This sort of thing simply confirms the theoretical model I conceived in my big Tea Party/Obama-era right-wing paper. They’re existing in collective phenomenological ‘reality’ of their delusion.
Yes they are, Puck. Very, very different mindset. What I find interesting is the occasional liberal or progressive among them – how would you explain that? They don’t line up ideologically on most other issues, but they share the same view of this case no matter how far-fetched it may seem. Closet racists, maybe.
Or perhaps merely people who might have had an unpleasant encounter with a black person they found scary — perhaps a bona fide thug — and have always held on to that as a moment they recall when they see other black people. And this case, in a sense, is the trial of that black thug who scared them that one time. So they put Trayvon on trial, becoming Zimmerman supporters existing in a collective constructed simulacra of ‘reality’ in which they operate. That’s why they just can’t handle the facts, and say things like Dr. Roa’s testimony was “propaganda” and suggesting she a little sumthin going on with Corey and Rick Scott. Now, does this seem like a scenario that would happen in our reality? We’re not operating in their ‘reality.’ Also, consider their consistent rejection of all forms of scientific evidence in this case. Is that not akin to creationism? They construct their own ‘facts’ and re-package it as “intelligent design.” And they teach that as a SCIENCE.
It’s much like how the Republicans and even the Romney campaign were stunned that Obama won. They really were. Romney didn’t even prepare a concession speech, and I believe him. Republicans were relying on ‘data’ from sites like unskewedpolls.com that completely unscientifically “unskews” legtimate polls. Think of all the pundits who were assured of a Romney slam-dunk? On Fox News, Karl Rove was disputing the results of Ohio even as the state — and the election — had been called for Obama.
Wow, he is lower than low. I could not understand why he was attacking that women after hello.
Professor:
I asked this question at the end of the other thread. When a jury is sequestered in this day and age are they monitored when they use their cell phones? Are their cell phones taken away? Are they only allowed collective TV access? Is someone listening to their phone calls and visits with family? Are computers taken away? How do you truly sequester a jury in this day and age?
Did DonWest leave his job as a federal public defender to represent Zimmerman? He left a paying job to work on a pro bono case…….Does that sound right to anyone b/c I do not seeing him leaving a paying job to work for free.
Big case. Book deals. Talk shows. Opportunity to be a talking head. Other big cases coming down the pipe win or lose.
After witnessing his performance would you let him represent you? I wouldn’t. 🙂
Don’t know that he was federal.
That explains a lot! Now you know why so many people hate the public so-called defender. You only take them because you have absolutely no other choice, and you know when you have them you’re going down. Skeletor jumped his boney self out of loserville & onto the gravy train.
I could have sworn he said he is working for $350 per hour and MOM $450 per hour but he did not understand why the difference. They were banking on the quick loot GZ made with his website. They must have had eyes the size of saucers when they learned about that defense fund raking in that kind of dough.
No sense of shared sadness. A kid is dead. No sense of normal human sorrow. A kid is dead, hey let’s get ice cream and celebrate. Moral bankrupts!
The signatures for Rachael are over 20,000.
Good b/c I signed a petition last night for Rachel…don’t know which one but I signed it.
I signed…that nasty West needs to be publicly reprimanded and brought down a notch or two. He should have not listened to the CTH and just did his job in a respectful way for RJs limitations instead of trying to humiliate Rachael for the Treehouse sake. Yes she has her limitations, but she is hurting and I wish I could do more.
Is it normal to challenge testimony you know about at the trail. Shouldn’t they have moved to suppress this earlier. If I was on the jury I would be ready to strangle all of them.
The jury likely knows nothing about it. They just know like the judge said, there are some matters they have to take care of.
If MOM/West had not spent more than a year giving press conferences and actually prepared for the trial, they would have known about this evidence! Did you notice West during the conference at the bench digging thru and discovering evidence? He just now realizes that Trayvon was wearing that big button, he wrote down the evidence number from it. I would not allow this team to represent me in a parking ticket case, I would probably receive the death penalty for illegally parking……
Yeah, but the prosecution isn’t that much better. Both teams are titans of mediocrity. We’re watching the clash of the titans.
This is why OMara wanted to extend the time for starting trial because he was not prepared, despite having ample time to do so. So perhaps this was his strategy to challenge evidence as it is brought forth.
Bill S. notes that all the sidebars are being transcribed by the court reporter, and will be included in the official trial record, but that will not be made public until after the trial.
interesting
Is court to be dismissed until Monday? Or will it be in session on Friday?
If court operates on Fourth of July, that’s a ton of overtime for Seminole County employees.
I wonder what the talking heads are saying?
Court appears to have recessed until 8:30 tomorrow morning when Judge Nelson will hear additional argument on the defendant’s community college records and two applications for employment as a cop.
He probably was rejected for being a mental case or could it be that his previous arrests were a problem.
I know some police departments will reject you for a poor credit history.
Maybe all three in his case.
And he’d fail in each of the 3 areas.
i think it was a good day for the state. i didn’t watch the whole thing but it’s starting to seem like all that evidence is weighing down on the defense.
Yay NBC.com did not go out once today.
What happened? Just got back from attending to work.
The State brought in their own ME (not from Seminole Cty.) to discuss GZ’s lack of significant injuries. IIRC her term was “inconsequential.” MOM crossed her at great length to try to establish that the marks on GZ’s head could possibly maybe be consistent with his story of multiple blows and head-banging.
So the defense now can’t say GZ’s life was in danger, but they can still claim he thought his life was in danger. I’d guess the question of whether any such fear would have been “reasonable” per the self-defense standard will be left for closing arguments. Prof. Fred would know better about this, of course.
Thanks. I saw a little of her, and thought she was great.
West should have just stayed in his seat. He looks silly up there fondling evidence and smiling.
He has been kicked from the adult table it appears.
That was a weird interlude.
What is West doing over there by the evidence?
Looking at the button.
Up to no good. You can bet that!
I didn’t like that grin on his face.
I would keep the camera trained on his slimy butt.
Hiding, out of sight, out of mind!
lol hoping everyone forgets what his spawn did?
why were we able to hear the arguments about the school records earlier ….
The state wants to submit into evidence fogens college transcripts showing that he has taken criminal justice classes where he learned about interrogation techniques & SYG law. They want to present the professor who taught the class in question in which fogen received an A, as well as portions of the textbook pertaining to same. They want to submit fogen’s application to become a police officer in VA in 2009, which was rejected, & his application to ride along with the police in 2011 in Sanford, FL
I had to take a conference call. Someone please tell me what I missed.
Looks like Fogen’s freedom might be slip-sliding away
Oh yeah it is!
He is going to fall off the wall soon and nobody will be able to put him together again. Should make a nice “easy-over” egg.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?p=gary+larson+cartoon+humpty&back=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dgary%2Blarson%2Bcartoon%2Bhumpty%26fr%3Dmoz35&w=866&h=1173&imgurl=i7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy280%2FBrannonB%2FGaryLarsonHumptyDumpty.gif&size=40KB&name=GaryLarsonHumptyDumpty.gif&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.surfermag.com%2Fforum%2Fshowflat.php%3FNumber%3D2377120&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.surfermag.com%2Fforum%2Fshowflat.php%3FNumber%3D2377120&type=&no=1&tt=114&oid=e873d80cf7cd67cfdc2395f096b85fd5&tit=SURFER+Magazine+Forum+|+Surf+News%2C+Fantasy+Surfer%2C+Photos%2C+Video%2C+and+…&sigr=11smtv5dl&sigi=122dsdslj&sigb=12dio7l8c&fr=moz35
LOL!
That is so funny!!
Gary Larson rocks.
Fogen is always wiping his nose on his sleeve. Disgusting.
any blood?
I’ve never been a violent person, but I’d like to give him a bloody nose.
That’s the same thing he did 2.26.12 before his stress test video. Something is wrong with him. I don’t know what his deal is. Jackass
If Trayvon had grabbed the gun when it was in the killer’s holster it would have been either by the grip (which wouldn’t yield usable prints ) or by the rear of the slide. the only parts of the gun protruding from the holster.
Maybe Trayvon tried to grab the barrel thingy or whatever you call it to try to save his life.
looks like the evil spawn problem will now be addressed?
Is that what this sidebar is about?
Possibly? You might notice that West is no longer participating in the discussion….
Yeah, I just commented on that. He has been kicked from the adult table.
Any bets as to when he will suddenly get to ill to continue on the defense team?
Tomorrow.
I’m expecting that tomorrow.
I guess we will know soon enough, right? I actually hope I am wrong, West is one of the best assets that the state has for the conviction of the Fogdoit….
I expect West will be rushed to the hospital sometime tonight with a bad case of “Spawnitis”
The bad part is that the evil spawn and their father will not accept blame, it will be the state that is at fault for having caught them in their little game.. People like them never actually accept responsibility for their actions, much like the Fogdoit was forced by a child to commit murder….
True about being an asset to the state. Maybe we will get another knock knock joke in closing?
whaaat..
Its weird to think that fogen so wanted to be in this legal element, and now he is the center of attention on the wrong side of the law. I sometimes see such an envious look on his face when he looks at accomplished witnesses. Trayvon death is beyond tragic, but I’d bet more lives would have been ruined if fogen had ever been in a position of power.
I think it’s strange that the only criminal that used a gun and killed someone was a member of the so-called neighborhood watch.
Definitely. Of course, he probably wouldn’t have made it to any position of power. Maybe a paralegal, but that might have been a reach for him.
Might have 🙂
I agree & have observed the same. He wants to be the 3rd gen zimmerman in the criminal justice system. I ray that somehow he is barred forever. He is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Did any of you feel like saying to MOM today:
That is SR, sir.
Yes.
What is this sidebar about?
The “stupidity” Instagram, is my bet.
Bill S. says that this witness just lifted the prints, but didn’t analyze them, so she’s just up to establish the necessary “predicate” for the significant expert testimony to come later.
did they ever ask serino why he wanted to lay charges…did that ever come up (the 2 drafts)
No they did not ask him about that.
ok thanks
I think there were actually three drafts, one of which was a murder 2 charge.
2 were murder-2; one was manslaughter.
Is West in time out?
Looks like Ommm had time to dye his hair…..
Has he been in action since news of the cone episode hit the fan? Don’t think so.
I don’t think he has either. He hasn’t been up today at all.
West — he of the knock-knock joke — has filed an indignant response to the State’s move on the cone.
Knock Knock.
Who’s there?
Ice cream cone.
Ice cream cone who?
Ice cream cone? Who? Not ME! Help Help someone wants to rape my family!
Hope this will be how West and girls are served their cones next time!
lol
Am I missing something? What does the lack of prints mean?
Well, that was unexpectedly short.
Someone pooping out, too tired to tangle?
Deposition scheduled at 5:30, so no time for another witness, really.
O’mara may have fell into a trap because we know GZ holstered the gun immediately after shooting Trayvon.
At least that is what GZ says.
Not quite. He says he holstered it when he saw Ofc Smith. Ofc. Smith arrived 3 minutes after the shot. gz got up after the shot and walked north to the tee, where Jon Manalo met him and took the picture, then they both walked back to the body and that’s when Ofc., Smith came up to them, gz then holstered his gun.
In the walk-thru he says he holstered it before he spread Trayvon’s arms.
Yes, in the walk thru he leaves things out, in his effort to make it seem that everything happens right there near the T. But Manolo says he came around the house and saw gz walking towards him on the north walkway. It was there that Jon took the picture. But when Smith arrives he finds them near the body. gz says in his statements that he holstered the gun when he saw Ofc Smith approaching him. So, he left all of that out in the reenactment, because he didn’t want to admit that he’d walked from where Trayvon was, north to the T and then back again.
Probably because he doesn’t want us to know that he dropped the little flashlight then. It was on and Jon didn’t see it, so foggen must have dropped before he followed Jon back to the body.
gz is telling lots of lies.
If O’Mara wishes to argue that a latent print on firearm was destroyed by exposure to rain, he’s saying that firearm was outside of holster, exposed to rain, long enough to be destroyed thus.
the gun was protected under GZs jacket so it was only exposed to rain when he shot Trayvon then he holstered it back under his jacket.
No check for prints on the can of tea?
YAHTC, I have always believed that George took the can of Arizona drink and Skittles out of the bag after he shot Trayvon and planted them inside Trayvon’s hoodie pocket so he could claim that Trayvon used the can of Arizona to strike him in the head.
But there are at least two problems with that 1) With everything else George stated Trayvon did to him in that short period of time, it would not have made sense logically or timewise for Trayvon to have been able to put the can of drink into his hoodie pocket
2) If Trayvon had put the can of drink and Skittles in his hoodie pocket why was the 7-11 bag next to his body? Meaning if Trayvon was going to get rid of the bag because he wanted to confront George and have his hands free the 7-11 bag should not have been close to his body which proves that Trayvon was still holding the bag when George attacked him.
Yeah, it is a puzzle to me.
The lift was from the slide on Zimmerman’s gun, but it had no value for identification purposes.
the slide? Are you saying Trayvon grabbed the slide when the gun was pointed at him?
I still can not grasp how Trayvon could have seen that gun in the dark while mounted on lumpy lump CAC when the gun would have been along his leg and behind is ass. Sliding his hand down the chest of CAC is crazy talk. I just can not grasp that and hope that someone, maybe the gym instructor, will be able to clean that mess up. It has never made sense to me and to announce “You’re going to die tonight” with no weapon is nuts. The dumbest idiot would not threaten to kill someone after seeing their gun on their person. Ridiculous
Looks like simply establishing no other prints on Fogen’s gun. OM wants to establish it could be handled by several but not show up.
Apparently useable prints are seldom found on guns.
Yes, that’s true.
Smudges are common but have insufficient detail for comparison purposes.
Here we go with the “what ifs” and “is it possible?”
Go girl. Another she-bang.
I wonder if they are going after the prints/lack of prints on the gun.
Anyplace else where there might be some prints that might prove something?
How about Fogen’s on the button? Or lack of TM’s on the “leather” holster?
when you close your eyes, attn. guy sounds just like kevin costner.
She speaks to the jury, not to the lawyer, which strikes me as a good thing.
I agree.
Apparently she has testified before.
She said 7 times as an expert – now 8.
The mic is positioned so that she turns towards the jury.
Smart.
finger print on the button?
I doubt it.
Kristen Benson is a latent print examiner.
latent prints! this will be good.
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watching
Defense whines and wants more time. Judge Nelson is going to give them until tomorrow.
Not surprised. Smh.
I look for them to enter an early motion to dismiss based on Rao’s testimony. Feeling sick again.
tasha~ again, you are SUCH a blithering idiot. The BEST testimony of the day and you think it’s bad. What? You’re a ZIDIOT? Well I thought so! Your blog is further down, yes, several miles down the nearest sewer. Ciao!
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WTF in Rao’s testimony could possibly lead to a dismissal of the case? Saying “it’s possible” to a hypothetical?
Seriously!
Puck- heck alien abduction is possible. The Loch Ness monster is possible. Alien abduction of the Loch Ness monster is a possibility! Is it probable? NO.
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zomg a ufo! gz will be acuitted! the fix is in!
Puck- dont go all tasha on me. 😉
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They would never admit it, if the Locke Ness Monster were abducted by Aliens, because they’ve too much revenue dependent upon it being around. 😆
Possible fish again.
Sounds a little biased, but ok. But she’s just simply being more than fair.
Thanks–I missed the fireworks and couldn’t figure out what was happening.
Exluding the mediocre and sub-par grades from other courses, it doesn’t sound like she’s leaning the Defense way. Giving them more time to convince her. No time for ice crem cones tonight.
Ok. JN is being more than fair. In this instance, I don’t mind because there’s nowhere for the defense to go because the class information is clearly admissable and I like that MOM and Co have to waste time prepping another half-a$$ed argument/motion.
It looks like omara’s legion of paras are out looking for facebook pages and tweets.
I wish JN would tell the defense if they aren’t ready, then they lose out. They keep pulling this, “We’re not prepared nonsense”.
What happened?
No decision on criminal justice course and/or professor?
No decision. Defense whining about not being prepared.
Defense whining about not being prepared. Could be they’re hoping the Professor has to leave.
See, I thought he was leaving the country or something and would be gone for an extended period of time. That there was a small window of time to put him on the stand which was heard by the court after jury selection was complete. Someone said he was available today for testimony which I understood, but I suggested that the defense was stalling so that it would be time for him to board his plane. The defense should have been investigating or having someone doing it for them instead of having ice cream cones!
Anyone have the link for the State’s recent discovery of the 27th June with the videos from Sam’s, Khol’s and Lakes Edge videos and a load of documents apparently
I hope someone does. I would like to see them and read about them.
Me too, just had a nosey at TL to see what they were up to and found this list but it appears they are not going to upload them.
Sounds very interesting.
oooh do tell
omg what did I miss? I had to go into a 3 hr meeting…what, what, what did I miss?
I’m dying here!
GZ hopped up in a perry mason moment and said “I did it, and if I didn’t do it this is how I wouldn’t have done it”
lol. that is too much
the state’s medical examiner basically put zimmerman away with her testimony. “insignificant abrasions” etc.
Mary~ Thank you. Please explain that to cement head Tasha, who seems to think that Dr. Rao has given gz the case.
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We can look with our eyes and tell they were insignificant, DUH! His own PA said as much so how the holy hell does she go from obvious facts to PURE SPECULATION that also corroborated at least part of the defendant’s story? I can’t be the only one here with common sense. And y’all acted an ass about my comments yesterday but BDLR came back today and did exactly what the heck I said he should have done yesterday. I know what I’m talking about.
I can’t speak for everyone but my issue is with your delivery, which I personally perceive to be extremely negative. Not an issue of whether you were right about something yesterday. We all have our days when we are right. What I would love to see from you is more of an open dialogue that does not come across as so pessimistic. On this blog we seriously try to be uplifting, not sugar coating, but we tend to look at the glass as half full. The half empty perception is certainly thought provoking but we have the world to contend with. Not really looking to have to do all of that in this community of people.
That is all.
ZCBest- you are do right. Now I must follow my own advice and not be so antagonistic although its hard. Emotions run high in we white Hispanics! 😉
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Beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t mean beyond a shadow of a doubt. The proponderance of the evidence that Dr. Rao examined and assessed is that these were minor, non-life-threatening injuries, and she shot down the lumps on GZ’s head as being anatomical.
Tasha- Bernie would have done what he planned to do even without your wooden nickel of advice. Sheesh! You must be some kind of deluded to think that Bernie is taking YOUR “expert” advice about the pacing of this trial! So it’s”possible”” many things are possible. What GZ said is impossible at that is all she needed to prove and did.
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So let’s talk about another problem George has
-George says he was screaming as he was swallowing blood
let’s say we accept that for now
can he explain how none of it was sprayed or splattered onto Trayvon
who he claimed was right on top of him
Ooooooh. Good one!
yes and should have been coughing
That’s what the ME said too.
O’Mara tried to push her to say he would have just swalled it.
That would have been something for the pathologist to examine I would think…her testimony would have been more more effective if she had said that if there is none of Zimmerman’s blood on TMs hands and sleeves then that again proves there was no beating. Zimmerman would have bled during this attack, particularly the repeated punches and pressing on his nose.
Done. This punch and cement bashing still has my blood boiling.
Tasha, you & I have the same issues. I think the prosecution is being WAY too shallow & superficial. They need to be spelling things out explicitly for this jury. Yo’d think they wouldn’t make the same mistakes as the casey anthony prosecutors, but here they are making the same mistakes.
Even just now with the latent print analyst, they should have asked her t, or some how summed up the reason why she just testified and the significance of it. If I had a $million for every missed opportunity….They are all we have to get justice, but I wish we had better.
You can’t say prosecution never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity– but Coach Prof can tell us what play is on the field.
Ms. X~ I’m disappointed in you, siding with tasha. Bernie has been a top notch attorney for over 25 years. His record is impressive. We on this blog have dissected this evidence for over a year. The jury only has a few weeks to hear it, comprehend it and make a decision based on that. Piling a tsunami of facts all at once will only confuse the jury and make it far more difficult to place events in sequence and assign value to significant bits of evidence. When you build a house, you start with a strong foundation. Doesn’t look like much especially when naysayers are screaming for the roof and the chimney. BUT it’s the only thing that will keep that house standing for years. Same here. Slowly the prosecution is building key bits of the story. Already they’ve destroyed gz’s lies about the “attack.” Already they’ve destroyed the fallacy of ignorance over SYG. Already there is the understanding that gz really really wanted to be a cop, had a weapon, rode around in the dark while armed, used cop terminology. Just be patient. The walls and windows are next.
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as usual…i agree with cielo62. The walls and windows are next.
I can see the building of the case and find their method better to follow for someone that knows very little or nothing at all about the case. I have you all to thank for that because I think I would have been the same way with wanting everything to be laid on the table all at once.
Also, MOM and West the Pest are also helping the conviction with all their talking and trying to lead the witnesses to say what they want them to say. After a while, you can see the desperation. Today you could see it with the ME when MOM forced her to stop talking because he did not want her to say too much which would have been against their client. “Let me ask the questions!”, he snapped. His lack of respect for women will also turn off the jury.
I think that the state is speaking volumes with their direct by keeping it simple, letting MOM run his trap and then coming back to straighten out MOM bullshit.
I have not courtroom experience but you all have and continue to, educate me which helps me keep my faith.
Can’t thank you all enough!
@Cielo,
Check the pattern: Trasha spouts off — ALWAYS bashing the prosecution, Miss X chimes in, an echo of Trasha.
These are trolls sent to this site, with instructions to say everything great about Professor Fred, vow undying love to Trayvon and his family, crib theory that was developed over a months of research and analysis by Fred’s students so they can look knowledgeable – and DEMEAN and DEBASE the prosecution’s strategy and efforts.
And these two babettes aren’t the only ones who showed up as soon as the trial started.
Treepers are accustomed to O’Mara’s constant checking in, so Treepers think that Bernie and crew are checking in with us – as if they are clueless and unprepared. (Like fogen’s team is clueless and WOEFULLY unprepared. Lazy, too.)
While I expect the prosecution has had staffers poring over our work the past year, Bernie and crew are professionals – and were successful prosecutors long before this site existed.
The prosecution doesn’t need to come here for advice mid-trial..
The prosecution doesn’t come here for reassurance mid-trial.
The prosecution is not going to be demoralized if Trasha and X spew their giddy vitriol over this site. The prosecution doesn’t have the time for trolling dustballs. The prosecution is busy winning this case.
We shouldn’t waste any time responding to dustballs, either.
They are treeper trolls ON ASSIGMENT to disrupt us.
Just ignore them.
Pirhanamom- sound advice. Can I abuse them for fun? 😉
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Whether Trayvon had blood and/or DNA on him is BEYOND THE SCOPE of her examination and testimony. She did not examine Trayvon. She is not one of the CSI-type forensics people. She’s an ME who looked at the GZ photos and testified that the preponderance of evidence (which she stressed at least twice), based on her expert opinion, is that the injuries were minor and not life-threatening.
And then slick ass MOM goes into how no injuries are needed, but he did have some. The way he keeps holding up those dumb pictures and slamming them on the edge of the desk is so freaking dramatic. “Have you seen this picture?” thump.
How many time do he think he has to do that until he thinks the jury will catch on???? Gosh, he gets on my nerves.
@Puck.
See comment addressed to Cielo, above.
TrashTexas and Ms. X are agents provacateurs.
Their assignment: bash the prosecution’s efforts and undermine the prosecution’s morale.
The person who was the state senator and chairman of the Florida Senate Judiciary Committee who authored SYG in Florida says it does not apply to Zimmerman. He wrote an editorial for the Orlando Sentinel not long after the shooting.
So does O’Mara.
I have a crush on Goldie Taylor on MSNBC.
I’ve met her. Really nice. Really strong woman.
former marine … and strong, you say? 😉
me too 🙂
I get it
Has anyone seen any recent comment from Lonnie or Kindheart?
I thought I saw Lonnie yesterday. But I have a bad memory.
Thanks, Rachael.
The last time I remember Kindheart posting here was when she had the flu.
Lonnie checked in 10 minutes ago. IP outages in his area.
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@You all,
I think Lonnie has some computer problems. Wouldn’t THAT fry you at a time like this!
U betcha, and all tech support could do is, tell me to do what I’ve already been doing. That and advise me that there’s work going on in my area over the next 48 hours. So I’ve been without service sporadically for a few hours at a time.
While MOM and his client have been bringing forth details from a dead child’s life, one that his client murdered in what I consider cold blood, in an effort to slander the child’s reputation, suddenly when information that will expose the murderers lies and deceit they suddenly get all uptight? Hmmm, why is it not fair for the state to do what the defense has done since day one? I know, because my poor little client was forced to protect himself from the child who might have hurt him….. Yeah Sure…..
I don’t like putting down a persons appearance, but I cant help myself with Howdy Doody. When he stands and you see his whole body, I see a creepy mortician in a horror movie, a B horror movie. There, I feel better now and will try not to do this again. : )
haha yeah he’s looking a bit like this at the mo
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.halloweenmakeupandaccessories.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/knb_scream_mask_3d_by_rubenvoorhees1-d3g52o7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.halloweenmakeupandaccessories.com/2012/06/06/feeling-two-faced-halloween-masks/&h=774&w=1032&sz=41&tbnid=t7IukmylyjE-tM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__Lia7nzoYZ7S7nL_KlUQqHDDHeW8=&docid=tQwkwwx-54x7PM&sa=X&ei=mjTTUbOBJsztiAe864CYBg&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAg&dur=305
Breelee, when I talk to my husband about this case, I call MOM Howdy Doody and I call West Eeyore. I am really mean, I know.
I am sick and tired of each time a bigot is caught saying or doing something racist the first thing out their mouth is I have black friends or I mentor black kids…. geewhiz
Or they quote Martin Luther King Jr.
Someone should find those kids so that they can undo what gz did.
haha yeah, he probably said things like “so have you ever seen a gun before” then took it out for show and tell….i’m just like a poweece man
🙂
I’m stealing your quote “poweece man” love it
He never mentored any Black kids. Period. One lie is like any other.
Exactly!
I have wondered why those kids or the parents/guardians have never come to his defense. The only idiot that tried to run to his defense was that fake Oliver then he got his bubble burst and we have not heard from him since.
GZ himself needed mentoring and monitoring.
Well, first off, because they don’t exist, any more than George’s campaign to bring the cop’s son who beat up a homeless guy to justice. Hard to tell how much of this stuff actually comes from George and how much comes from Junior.
But, if asked, I’m sure that the answer will be that they are afraid of the big powerful organized black community leaders who have it in for George.
george just wanted to catch the bad guys……..wish he tried it with this kid
***PLEASE DON’T LOOK AT THIS IMAGE IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY VERY VERY BAD LANGUAGE***
you have been warned
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Boyd says:
July 2, 2013 at 2:48 pm
he told Serino he did not want to be a Police Officer
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Yup sure did
He said he worked with tough inner city kids rought toughties an they didn’t trust The po po
So he cares so much for thease BLAHCK CHILDREN he mmentored
He forgo the chance to jin ploce as then they wouldn’t trust him
However all is not lost because now he has decided to be a JUDGE JURY AN EXECUTIONER
STYRIKE
Just the Judge part because as we all
Know rohty toughty Black kids whom hate the po po
JUST LOVE AN ADORE THE MEN IN BLACK ROBES THAT SEND THERE DADDYS TO PRISON FOR EVER???
The wold according to a dumb ass without a Scooby doo.
I hope he didn’t use the wird po po. Lol
Dang, the lawyers on CNN are laughing at osterman like hyenas. Thats messed up. Bwahahaha!
🙂
Really?! Oh, do tell! What are they saying?
Osterman: The finest friend Fogen has ever known. 🙂 😉 🙂
Bwa-ha-ha. Between the two of them, they might have one brain.
Osterman was pure gold for the State.
M. Osterman is an idiot. He got caught up in this mess just as the guy Shelly said Tracy called a MF.
Interjecting himself in the beginning then writing that book for a quick buck was his first mistake. Mistake #2 was going on talk shows.
Didn’t he say he did not have any contact with CAC after his second arrest. That means he was not aware of all the lies the defense team was coming up with prior to trial.
The big question is, who has CAC had contact with since the second arrest. His closest friend did not have access to him.
he reminded me so much of zimmerman, the way you could just tell he was concocting a story he thought would fit the evidence and embellishing.
I have also kept wondering if Z is just not very bright; I do not mean to be unkind. He just seems sort of concrete and simple, in a way that seems sort of odd to me. Yet, sociopaths are often very bright….imho.
Beverly~ No gz is not very bright. Probably with an IQ in mid 70s based on his speaking pattern. Simple sentences he can handle, but come on! “I had lots of time to reflect, but I had no time to reflect”?? His answers make no sense taken as a whole. Every group has a bell curve. gz is on the low end of a sociopath’s IQ standard.
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IQ of 70 would suggest that GZ has mental retardation (I believe 80 or below is considered as such). The average IQ is 100. GZ is probably about average, which is to suggest that the average person is not all that smart.
“He had so many Black friends he could make his own march.”
Yeah? Where are they?
They are out there marching in the “Invisible March For Foggen’s Freedom”. It’s a silent and peaceful march taking place in the minds of his supporters. Millions upon millions of imaginary blacks are marching in support of their hero foggen. You can’t see them because you refuse to use your imagination that way. Very, very prejudiced as MOM would say.
I am not a psychologist.
Is Osterman manic?
so trayvons school records are relevant even though they have nothing to do with his killing, but poor george’s aren’t even though it is proof he knew exactly what to say and how to get out of it….
seems to me the defense think that any evidence of guilt should not be allowed….waaaaaaaaaaah we want a new judge cause this one is being mean …..should have stuck to the first one….or second….too bad
any numerouligists what the significance of thease numbers if any?
PS I could tel you all
But you would have to wait a grahm plus one seconds .
Have I just broke a guiness world record on PROFS BLOG
A graham pus one.???
digits of Graham’s number are …2464195387.
my graham plus one last few digits are
3
2
0
7
4
1
4
2
7
5
0
2
6
1
3
2
9
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3
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So is the fast talking MOM stalling so that the Professor that was leaving town/country will not get to testify? I missed it because I am sitting at work trying to catch as much as I can! Grrrrrrrrr
Actually if I heard it right, the professor is there and ready to testify! Guess he decided the truth was more important than allowing a lie to go on and on and on!!!
Good for him!
I wish I did not have to work so that I could watch with no interruptions.
Okay, to stay awake, I am going to find the youtube “Shout” and then do some dancing and exercise to it.
ahhh……that worked!
😀
I want it to be in evidence so Fogen can then say, “I missed class that day”.
We got 4-5 people listening in at work, we all laughed at MOM’s attempt with the ME.
The hammer is lowering…can you see it coming? I can feel it!
It’s the hammer of justice!
Wonderful comment, you too.
Bring it on!
Court will resume at 4:15 pm EDT.
I wish they had information about fogen’s dog having police dog training.
Wouldn’t that be great.
That’s not to be confused with the ex-girlfriend’s dog that Fogen kicked ….
I really wish someone would kick him, and I wish the jury could hear about the dog kicking. There are two jurors whose applications mention being animal lovers. I doubt any of them approve of kicking them. He’s a hateful POS.
TO – did you get the link I posted for you yesterday, with Wolfinger’s letter .pdf?
Hi Nef — Yes, I did. Thank you. Am not sure that’s the doc I had in mind, but am pleased to have it for file. There may be another more telling one under seal … but I could be wrong about that. Again, thanks.
I’d send his fat butt to jail just for kicking the dog. Poor dog.
Finally, something that has omara running scared! I pray the judge allows it all in, though I don’t think she will allow in the rejected police officer application & the application to ride with officers.
he told Serino he did not want to be a Police Officer
Yeah he thought judge would be more suited to his talents.
Recess for 30 minutes to allow the defense an opportunity to research and prepare for a put-up-or-shut-up moment on the admissibility of the four documents .
What ever happened to the proffer requested by the prosecution regarding the door opened to GZ’s character?
Will JN split the baby?
Don’t think that she’s leaning that way.
This has to be allowed right now to undo what Rao said IMO. It would show that FOGEN knew he didn’t have to kill Martin even if he was knocked on his ass but he chose to and he made it worse than what it was to cover up the fact that he killed out of want, not need. Depraved mind. Instigated a confrontation and then killed out of previous spite. We need the school records today.
@tasha i think so too. all the jury needs to know is his course of studies
Let’s pray! -Big time moment for JN today.
So slimy.
Half an hour to look up some case law that the prosecution cannot impeach something that they have introduced themselves.
Is that what’s happening right now?
I wonder… I wonder if GZ told MOM about all these police and law courses and the many hours of MMA training ? He appears so soured up, “sucking lemons” as TSTAS calls it, he looks like he’s about to spit whatever out !
Now, I know why I don’t like West: He looks like my nasty old step-father, may he rest in pieces……
lol!
OH OUCH OUCH STOP IT HURTS WHEN I LAUGH!
If he got an A in the class, it is presumed that he had an “Outstanding” understanding of the coursework. That’s the purpose of the grading system.
Really.
O’Mara’s trying to argue that they don’t know if he was in class that day. Doesn’t matter. He demonstrated that he knew the material.
My thoughts exactly!
LOL Makes sense to me. MOM will argue that the Professor forged that grade and that an F can sometimes look like an A.
o’mara now putting forth concept that his client is a bad student.
I can hardly wait to hear what fogen’s professor has to say. We can only hope did a paper or two on something relevant to this case…fingers crossed!!
ooooooh! that would be extra special!
i have not seen you around until recently and wanted to welcome you aboard.
Why thank you! It’s nice to be here.
(Like, cutting classes, for example?)
If he passed the course, I think he should be presumed to know the subject matter of the course!
one would imagine. i’m thinking JN is letting this in while redacting grades in non-applicable subjects.
sit down an S T F U
Your client opened the door an denies ever having heard of S Y G
So get him up on the stand an explain to the jury that he has a real bad memory an stuff.
nah give him a GRAHAM YEARS and he couldn’t find an argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
OK–O’Mara is twisting in the wind, trying to negate the evidence before it is presented.
“That’s their THEORY of the case… and they are ALLOWED TO PRESENT THEIR THEORY OF THE CASE”
JN is going to let this in because she says “defense already put before the jury, that their client had no info on the self-defense laws”.
Might be a half hr recess coming.
defense want NOW to proffer on whether or not defendant was present in class.
Mantai says doesn’t matter if defendant want to claim irrelevant because he wasn’t in class that day, he had ‘access to the info’.
MOM appears to think that if he could talk JN to death to get her to rule in his favor.
Kick ass, Judge!
MOM is falling all over himself.
STFU, MOM. Your client made a public statement against interest. The State didn’t create it. GZ did.
AND he did it with a supportive MOM sitting right next to him.
Will GZ appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel?
mantei putting forth his position quite nicely.
OM looks like he’s sucking lemons again.
I agree with Judge Nelson that other records and grades aren’t relevant.
yup
Oh dear God. If I’m understanding it right, MOM is upset about his client saying he didn’t know anything about SYG on the Hannity show. Wasn’t he sitting right next to him? Gawd he’s a dork. Why’d he let him lie like that?
And now he’s in a dorky-dither because a professor is likely to say SYG is covered in a course Fogen took.
no only was he right next to him in the interview, he had the opportunity to redact info on the hannity interview.
That’s right. Keep telling the jury that fogen knew about the SYG law.
Oops! Jury not back yet.
GET carter get foggagge stat.
yeee HAWWWWWW
Just when foggage thought he was doing good an stuff
DOH
Never heard of S Y G smirk
duper delight from a dope.
impeach his ass
peach an foggagges ass are word that don’t belong in the same postcode.
Get out omara. your dumb, greedy ass is the one who took him on hannity for fund raising purposes.You opened the door.
Bwahahaha!! Worst. Advice. Ever.
Surely she will admit this evidence. The jurors absolutely need to hear this. It would be unfair to them to force them to decide this case without this critical detail of his education. He KNOWS how to call, manipulate, and maneuver.
Wonder if his paper was on self-defense LOL
Your client created that.
yup Prof Carte
someone
GET CARTER.!
STAT.
Judge N wants to know how MOM thinks this is a ‘fishing expediton’.
JN says for fogen’s knowledge of investigation techniques, interview techniques, exhibit 180 is Hannity, Q about know about SYG and fogen said he did not know of it before.
Therefore JN is going to deny the proffer…… courses that mr. z took in criminal justice or t’ords criminology degree, not like they are trying to introduce humanities classes.
Coursework is not by ‘syg name’ in the course, it’s the law that’s covered.
LOL, no one has handed the 4 exhibits to JN yet “If someone would like to hand them to me I will look at them.”
She’s going to redacct a few things first…. like nonrelevant other courses and their grades, …. hmmm…. will she also not allow the proposed graduation date…
“Criminal Investigation”– course of professor Pleasance (seems that might be the one on hiking excursion in NM– Mr. Mantai just said he has an update on that witness situation now too)
“Criminal Litigation” — another course with section in workbook relating to ‘self-defense’ Prof Carter is in the wings waiting to be called.
Project ‘paper’? Interesting. Would like to read that if fogen wrote it, especially if there was a bibliography.
Did MOM want the whole book entered because he did not think they could get it?
This is perfect exemplar off
HUNG WITH YOUR OWN PETARD.
WooHOOO We gonna see foggage shool work
How many gold stars you think he got?
ANY TAKERS?
Id say zeroyee haaaa there in.
I’d be happy seeing documented proof in evidence, that he claims a degree that he never got.
@Colin.
Fogen is not “hung” with his own petard.
It’s “Hoisted on his own petard”
A petard was a very small explosion, in its day.
Fogen “hoisted by his own petard” is fogen blown off his feet by the force of his own unfortunate fart.
As seems to be happening regularly in this trial.
Mantei has good finger rhythm.
agreed…
They are trying to show him as a dumb ass Baarnie Fife who couldn’t cut it as a normal police officer and became a self appointed police officer. Bwahahaha!
That description would be accurate.
he may not have graduated but he still had a graduation party….given to him by his mentor
fogen took criminal litigation! Score!!!
If this is allowed all that Dr. Rao said is forgiven!
What did she say that needs to be forgiven? “It’s possible”?
tasha — what in the name of all that is holy should be ‘forgiven’ by dr. rao’s testimony? it was excellent testimony for the state.
you simply must read through archives to understand this process in order to make an intelligent comment. this is a legal blog, avail yourself of the wealth of resources the professor has provided.
IKR?
faux mccoy~ tasha is a rock wall of stubbornness. NOTHING penetrates that ignorance.
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JN: I don’t understand when you say it’s a fishing expedition.
MOM: Uh, well …,
JN: It’s not a fishing expection. ..
JN: I have not seen any of the proposed exhibits … If you’d like to hand them to me, I’d be glad to review them.
ZING!! LOVE that Peppermint Patty!
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OH–and they found a course in which he got an A!
but he was absent that day and the dog ate his homework
defense will now have to argue their client was a bad student in college and at the MMA gym. flipping hysterical!
JN recognizing MOM’s reductio ad absurdam.
he pulled a few in there
most notably
non sequitur
Straw man
etc
that guy is a walking logical fallacy machine
or as my college professor taught me in ‘argument and debate’ the “it’s not fair!” argument. how many times has he argued this one?
There have been lots of posts about editorials, TV punditry and blogging that favor the defense. I wanted to take a moment to point out the NRA connection to this case. The NRA has been responsible for passing the SYG law in FL and for FL’s very lax gun laws. The NRA has a vested interest in seeing the defendant acquitted in this case, and making him appeared justified in taking Trayvon’s life. The NRA is well funded and well organized.
Pundits on TV are paid to comment. They structure their commentary not necessarily on their own beliefs and certainly not on common sense, but to gain ratings. They are paid to talk and to drive ratings. They know that if they make controversial claims it will drive ratings up.
When you see multiple comments on news or blog sites that are pro-defense or anti-Trayvon, remember that you are probably seeing a well co-ordinated PR campaign. The NRA is adept at these online campaigns, “Freeping” polls, and controlling the narrative in comment sections of popular news sites and blogs. When you see multiple comments repeating the same talking points posted in sequence, you can be fairly sure you are seeing sock puppets. One person with multiple accounts can make the comment section seem as if it is overwhelmingly for the defense, which is not always true.
Keep the faith.
All those socks are causing abrasions on the public scalp.
All those socks are wrapped around one another, and getting strangled.
We learned that tactic from the last presidential election 🙂
Thank you for that reminder. You are right. The NRA is a very well-organized lobby. To the extent that it is very difficult to google anything objective and factual about the interaction of gun laws and crime. One has to go to a research database for searches to come up with anything scholarly.
lurker and Endless Summer~ I think they were interested AT FIRST. But after Hannity, I think they decided that gz is NOT a prime poster boy for SYG. He was clearly the aggressor and SYG does NOT cover the shooter if s/he is the aggressor.
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shakespearian irony a witch hunt on foggagge s prior acts an school records an his wann a bee cop status means nothing
THERE TYING TO SAY HE IF NUCKING FUTZ
Sit down shut up its friggin well in you cant object
Its a GIFT BERNIE SAID
And here is the GIFT
GOD STRIKES AGAIN
Id call this a knock out punch
he has floated like a butterfly
An now B D L R Stingz like a bee
aBOUT THE MURDER THAT WAS never at the
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Prosecutors filed a motion Monday in response to a photo defense attorney Don West’s daughter posted last week.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/2/zimmerman_prosecutor.html
SANFORD — Prosecutors have asked a judge in the George Zimmerman trial to conduct an inquiry into an Instagram photo of a defense attorney eating ice cream with his daughters, but the lawyer said Tuesday that it was unrelated to testimony in the case.
Prosecutors claimed in their motion the photo was posted after defense attorney Don West’s tense cross-examination with prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel last week.
The caption in the photo posted by West’s daughter reads “We beat stupidity celebration cones” and the hashtag “#dadkilledit.”
Prosecutors said an inquiry was necessary “to ensure that witnesses and court proceedings are treated with respect and not as occasions for inappropriate jokes.”
Here comes 4 hammers with the documents that are relevant to show that defendant knew all about self-defense and SYG, was a cop wannabe, and had enough legal knowledge to portray himself in the most possibly favorable light.
They are relevant and admissible.
imho,that is another reason he pulled the trigger
good try mom. its not civics, it’s criminology. kinda different. 🙂
He better stop the 6th grade b.s. MOM is pissing JN off.
And O’Mara cannot stop arguing.
Flailing MOM
Damn, did omara just take the judges book off of her desk without permission?
yup — no ‘your honor, may i approach the bench’ … yet again.
Let it in Debra!
Oh, oh. Sounds like JN’s gonna allow this.
Too bad O’Mara.
is the jury there? why are we hearing this arguing….i thought they turned on the mute when arguing about this stuff
They’re still out from the 15 minute recess.
Haha lies are coming out.
it’s not a witch hunt, mom, your client KNOWS the law, he KNOWS how to manipulate the system…he’s not an innocent civilian who is clueless.
Manipulate is the key word.
Now O’Mara is trying the old if Zimmerman has to then Trayvon has to also.
He keeps forgetting who is on trial.
OMara is a dummy
he makes arguments that are stupid
Yes, he does. Considering the professor was on the deposition list since April, and presumably knows what he is to testify to, there is no excuse for O”Mara not to have his objections together, supported by case law, so they can hurry up and be overruled. He knows good and well this is relevant and admissible.
LOL MOm is trying to keep evidence out.
he hasn’t had much luck so far… my magic 8 ball says ‘yes’ to the question ‘will the trend continue’
my spidey sense says so too 😉
If GZ’s head had been slammed against the RAGGED edge of the concrete path according to the angle it would have hit he would have had a broken wound on or near the lower ridge of his scalp, there is none meaning there is NO WAY his head hit against the side of the concrete!
Further, John said he saw GZ (the one on the bottom) trying to rise up and what goes up must come down, so it is clear there was a struggle, in a struggle each person gets buffeted this way and that, GZ trying to detain Trayvon, Trayvon trying to get free, but that does not mean GZ’s head was purposefully being slammed against the concrete by Trayvon !
The state should bring on MMA experts and work it out on the floor in front of the jury !
Thank you! There has to be another explanation.
Do you mean there “has” to be another explanation, or there “had” to be another explanation. Either could be, because I just put my theory, I’m not saying it is “the” theory… you know, like “the gun” 😉
When O’Maraa brung up Miss Corey name I knew he was throwing smoke screen.
wow foggagge is getting busted on knowlage of S Y G
AN KNWE FULL WELL ABOUT
m o m an he look stunned a think skellators in shock
SORRY ITS CHANNELLING THROUGH GOODNESS AN LETTING US NO THERES LIGHT AT END OF THE TUNELL FOR US
For foggagge the light at end of tunnel is express bullet fastest train in the WORLD.
The jury needs to hear this!!!!!!
he wants to catch people?
wee waw wee waw wee waw
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lol
😀
jo~ little georgie the wanna be cop!
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haha yeah couldn’t resist when they said about his “ride along” application
Bam…proof that Fogen lied and was well aware of self defense and most importantly, Stand Your Ground Laws. He said he hadn’t even heard of SYG until this happened on Hannity
And show that he was a wanna-be cop!
Courses about Florida self-defense and SYG laws!!!
OK–now we’re going to impeach the statement that he had never heard of SYG–on national television.
State attempting to stick it to Fogen on his Seminole State College course work. MOM doesn’t like it, naturally.
sounds like how to be a police officer stuff? mom doesn’t like this at all.
also sounds like how he knew what elements of self-defense to employ in all his subsequent statements.
thought you had that wrapped up good, huh george?
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I just read West response to the state’s motion for protective order.
This guy has the nerve to accuse the state of improprieties then blames his daughter.
He may not have know his daughter was going to post that picture but I’m sure as hell is hot that they discussed Rachel in the car calling her names.
The media did not let that story go as he so eloquently stated in his motion.
That’s my question…he participated/maybe took the pictures, iirc.
Awww.
Sounds like West didn’t bring his kids up so good.
pass the vegemite…this guys toast!!!…..and that’s a whole lotta toast
so long as there’s a pack of Foster’s to go with… bring it on!
We’ll probably hear from a firearms expert opine that the lacerations, etc. on fogen’s face could have come from the gun recoil, not a fist in the face.
Let’s pray. Although I don’t know how that’s possible when they’ve already put their eggs in Rao’s dumb ass basket. Mark my words HER TESTIMONY DID NOT HELP.
tasha~ I swear! Are you watching the SAME TRIAL we are or what?? Rao DEMOLISHED the defense’s lies, one by one! INSIGNIFICANT injuries, NO contusions or severe hematomas. What TF are you blabbering about??
TROLL ALERT!! DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL!!
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Tasha, either you have a bad case of the-sky-is-falling-itis, or you are a troll, because all you can say about anything and everything is that nothing helps.
How can West be so upset/nose outta joint about the pictures? I thought they were the ones who took them and posted? Is that wrong?
Don’t know about the defense photos, thought all were states evidence photos that were used by Dr. Rao in her evaluations of this living person with injuries.
All photos taken the night of, at SPD.
Oh, sorry, I meant the ice cream pictures….
The defense took no photos. Bloody nose at scene: cop. Blood on back of head: witness. All others: SPD crime scene tech Smith.
If you mean the ice cream photo. West’s daughter took that and posted it. She’s not part of the Defense.
Fogen testified via Hannity, he had 15 or 20 seconds from the shot to when officers first arrived.
Begs the question, is this what was in his mind before pulling the trigger into the chest of his victim, pushed ‘under’ the button area, that quote “there was no more time.” unquote ?
Officers were arriving and he had to make his kill, he had past the point of no return in his actions that night, and had to finish the job.
Begs the question, if otherwise, that he knew officers were there, and he knew as we know, there was screaming, loud desperate wailing screams, that any officer would hear and follow, and report to quickly.
He still had to pull the trigger? Why? Even if he were to black out, or stress out, the officers would likely scare any alleged ‘attacker’ if it was a bonefide attacker, so why pull the trigger?
And why not wait the few seconds for officers to respond to the continual screaming and help? Because he knew he did not have to act to preserve life, he could act with depravity and do what he wanted, once he left no witness.
“Wanted to” itself demands ‘depravity’ (by common sense)
“Wanted to” and acted upon goes to factors in 2nd degree. He’s lucky that’s all the state charged.
@ay2z
You’re 1,000% correctt:
“Wanted to” and acted upon goes to factors in 2nd degree.”
Florida’s Stand-Your-Ground laws incentivizes depraved indifference to human life.
YES!
M O M
He …TRAYVON…..
Didn’t have any impact injurys frm CONCRETE Right.
NO
He only had contact with your CLIENT
that an contact with a HOLLOWPOINT was all it took.
In other words how did Zimmerman end up with concrete burns and not Martin unless what my client is saying is true?? MOM didn’t need to cross her all day, the one punch was enough.
And let the record show that everything I said BDLR needed to do yesterday to be effective, he did today, including mentioning Rachel.
tasha~ OH so wise one! WHY aren’t YOU a lawyer? Then you can spare us the sanctimonious BS you post?
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oh, i bet he read your posts, tasha!
no chance he was setting this up on his own, without you, is there?
I missed the direct examination of the ME and the Hannity interview. But, reading the comments it looks like the prosecution is having a STELLAR DAY!
WhoooHooo!!! Nice! 😀
Pundits appear to be positively giddy over the Hannity interview and how it conflicts with fogen (and common sense), but perplexed that the prosecution didn’t follow up and drive the points home.
Is there likely the FDLE investigators will contrast and compare all the different versions, pointing out the days and days worth of inconsistencies? Is this why we’re thinking there was no followup, at the time?
I think so. If the pundits can see the obvious conflicts/lies, so can the jury and the prosecution will keep pointing them out with the investigators and the forensics.
One thing I noticed about MOM and West is their persistent disrespect for females and constant insulting of their intelligence.
Another thing, I wanted to bring up is the residents that live there have dogs. Dogs are smart and they pick up people’s scent. They are familiar with those who live on their block scent. Let me explain myself a little further. I live on a quiet street. There are eleven dogs on this street. If someone passes by on this street that does live on this block or that is not a frequent visitor such as family members or friends, those dogs bark in harmony, until that person is gone. If a people that lives on this block pass by, those dogs do not bark in harmony.
If someone had been hiding in the bushes or even close to the neighbors in that neighborhood back porch, bushes, patio, etc., those dogs would have barked because dogs are also territorial.
Hey, you’re right about that. Good point!
“One thing I noticed about MOM and West is their persistent disrespect for females and constant insulting of their intelligence.”
One would think having a female judge and an all female jury they would attempt to avoid being so obviously disrespectful to females but as the old saying goes a leopard can’t change his spots.
But I guess once a racist misogynist always a racist misogynist.
interesting point
I’m crying laughing
AMETIA: Dr. Rao SNATCHED WIGS & told O’Mara she did it for FREE!
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Somebody call 911, I’m choking from laughing!
Too funny 🙂
Urgh: been having a soliloquy on the earlier thread…
(reposts)
“sophistry”
1. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.
example: see O’Mara, Mark
Bush-logic: We can can attack Iraq because they might have a nuclear weapon someday. So obviously, GZ gets to shoot TM because, you know, an asshole might try to hurt you in the future.
So apparently the Zimmerteam Internet Troll Squad (ZITS) is already trying to dig up dirt on Dr. Rao…
🙂
ZITS! Love it, haha.
B SHYSTER THinks foggagge s statement I felt he saw my gun an reached an said your going to die tonight mo fo
I s a not guilty in the BAG
An that the reason then foggagge broke out or had huge grin on his face at end of the hanratty interview
Did you see his mega grin
Like his team had won at super bowl
Or he had a super large bowl of chilee hot dogs to scoff in front of his face.
He was latterly grinning from ear to ear.
Oh why couldn’t J ARRIAS Been from Florida
An why couldn’t she obsessed on foggagge
O r is that just to evil a thought from me?
I’ll allow it.
(It’s fantasy court.)
Enjoy your LAST holiday, fogen.
Better sell you new suits.
They will be out of style in 25 years.
Bwahahahahaha
I think Fogen supporters forget Fogen is not the only one who had the right to defend them self. IMO if there were blows to the head I think it is when the gun came out. Trayvon probably swung and jerked trying to get away.
well, fights move around and do all sorts of unexpected things, but the things that stood out to me the most is him admitting that he “aimed” and “shot” the kid at point blank. Then he went on to say that he didn’t know he if he shot him or not??? Because he sat up and… yadayadyada. A shot to the heart and as the bullet opens the lung, prevents breathing and kills almost instantly.
I am glad I do not have to watch O’Mara cross-examining an archeologist about the Giza pyramid and asking questions about each and every stone block both seen and unseen!
And what about the NEXT stone that will be put on those pyramids, ever think about THAT?
O’Mara did not touch her regarding whether the injuries were minor.
Still no testimony regarding the significance of the blood trails and that is disappointing.
yep, where is sir isaac newton when you need him
Agreed. How wasb the blood flowing FORWARD??? And this witness gave him a self defense claim by saying he was knocked down by Martin who apparently didn’t flee which is what MOM was saying during the last question. Just when I regain faith in the state they phuck up. smh
Interesting Professor, and I’m wondering if that’s Serino meant about the law of gravity in his errr…. “challenge interview”.
More than merely disappointing.
Who else would/could testify to the significance of these trails on a living person?
Count on the jurors’ life experiences?
I’m wondering if the defendant slipped in the wet grass and banged his head on the sidewalk when he went chasing after Trayvon.
Very possible. Someone else above stated that he could have gotten those “injuries” while at MMA practice.
Yes, I saw that, and it certainly seems a likely possibility.
I’m wondering if he was chasing Trayvon, slipped and hurt himself, and that might have sent him into a rage. I have seen bullies/DV perps do this–injure themselves going after someone, become enraged over their self-inflicted injury, and take it out on their victim.
Exactly! Just like when you accidentally bite your tongue, stub your toe, or hit your elbow. Sends you into a rage.
I wouldn’t be surprised.
No one reported Trayvon laughing. (smile)
o’mara is treating the jury like they are idiots that would believe trayvon very delicately touched shimmys head to the ground causing tiny injuries each time…..i think the prosecution is treating the jury as though they are intelligent adults and they don’t have to spell out everything for them to realise how unrealistic the defences scenario’s are.
shimmyman never said he gently knocked my head and gave me a few bitch slaps, he said punched me in the face and slammed my head repeatedly…..
the jury can see that those bumps and scrapes are from a bit of a wrestle and possibly one punch in his lying face.
No mention of gun’s kickback. Why not?
Physicians don’t do guns.
I’m scaring my pups to death with all my yelling, but why don’t they see that the blood in his stash did NOT come from inside his nose? Why didn’t Guy ask if it could’ve come from those dots at the tip? I had a SO with a stash and saw him with bloody noses, it ran on the sides, not down the dang middle!
Sick of MOM’s what if’s. What if a UFO came down and cause fogens boo-boos. Same difference..
It doesn’t matter where the blood came from; it could have come from Mars. The injuries were superficial, insignificant, tiny, “not coincident with” a dangerous life-threatening beat-down, OVER AND OUT.
…And, it’s not about whether gz thought the attack on himself was lethal. The law requires that the jurors believe that the attack appears lethal to any reasonable person (themselves).
gz says that Trayvon went for his gun, and that’s why he retrieved it and shot him. If that were true case closed, since gz had no right or need to shoot once he had control of his weapon. Nor, did he have any right to fight for his weapon, because he was the person who brought the weapon into a situation he claims was dangerous.
One minute gz is too afraid of Trayvon to talk to him, and yet, a minute later he’s not afraid to go running after him. Which, of course, makes sense because gz had a firearm. He had no reason to fear anybody, most especially when he had his window rolled down in his truck (which, of course, is what everyone does in the rain right? Keep their windows rolled down.) Am I missing something?
any scratches,might have been TM,trying desperately to get away from Fogens mma holds,poor,poor kid
“What about the ‘next’ injury?” HAHAHAHAHA!!! Is it me or does O’Mara suck at lawyering?
Yes, he does! Neither he nor West handle getting their asses handed to them very well. I wonder if this is why they are representing fogen.
Personally I think it’s all about the money with them. Once that website took off, they saw the $$$ and pulled him from Hal Uhrig quickly.
I bet if they had let her answer she would have said, ‘judging from the extent of the present injuries then, no.’
They keep singing that song: “Zimmerman’s injuries were consistent.”
They can’t toot that tune anymore, the defense is almost dismantled.
tee hee i’m with you on that one….i loved the other day when he yells objection a few times in succession and then yells it again but stops half way out of his chair, has a derrrr look on his face and finally says oh sorry i think that question was actually ok, or something like that.
To me its not that he sucks at lawyering, its that he is a diabolical devil. I wish he would be attacked and have his character besmirched the same way he has done Trayvon. He has stated repeatedly things like, “When Trayvon was slamming george zimmeran’s head against the cement,” “when Trayvon was punching my client repeatedly in the face.” Its very low down.
That was righteous.
excellent word choice!
fogen is now throwing up his lunch.
15 minute recess after Dr Rau’s testimony concludes.. Court will resume at 3:25 pm EDT.
Goodie! Time to go to Paypal to pay for this excellent website!
has west been benched?
West looks upset, wonder why?
Rao just kicked his ass
they couldn’t intimidate her?
or..is he worried about intimidation/disrespect issues related to his ice cream jaunt tweet-a-palooza?
They should have ordered chocolate swirl ice cream, or at least that is what he is now thinking, silly fool still does not realize what the whole problem is, he thinks it is about ice cream…..
Today the state’s medical examiner sent George Zimmerman to jail.
yawn…..stretch
What?
She’s excused?
She did a very good job. I salute her.
MichelleO` Same here. She didn’t crack so she was released.
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O’Mara said: “The extent of injury is not significant/relevant to this case”. So, what has O’Mara been arguing to the jury since day one? This dude is sooo full of it that he does not realize when he is undermining his own case.
The laws that fogen is trying to use in his favor also apply to Trayvon. I am surprised they are pretending that is not the case. And, Trayvon was a minor.
Wish the prosecution would bring that up as well.
And SearchingMind, thank you for all the time you have spent helping us understand the laws that apply.
He is explaining to the Dr. that she does not know the law? I am sure she realizes that it is not the extent of the injuries, but the fear of loss of life that is involved in his defense. But as she has demonstrated better than he realizes, the fear of loss of life should not have been there for a reasonable person…. considering the minor injuries….
i believe i said the same thing. can i be your paralegal? pretty please? i’m a fast learner!
mom doesn’t like hand questions…
Here we go… MOM’s going by the any blunt trauma to the head could be fatal and how was GZ expected to know that the next injury wouldn’t be fatal… that is the defence’s case in a nutshell!
Like someone else said, he could have sustained some of those injuries from his MMA fighting practices at the gym. He could have sustained those head injuries from running after his prey in the rain.
Maybe injuries are from playing with his dog.
so if someone scratches me i can shoot them because they could maybe possibly somehow might kill me with the next scratch
The scratch could lead to them punching you in the throat and breaking your trachea.
Better declaw all our pets. We might not survive.
rotflmao,i was thinking the same thang!!!
yeah … it’s like a ‘gateway drug’ 😉
Faux, you are hysterical. I so, so love the snark!
thank you very much. i like to self identify as ‘smartasstic’ 😉
I will try to remember. And, I am going to steal that word!
feel free 🙂
He’s implying the ME is corrupt and he thinks the ME is not intelligent. “What about the next injuries?”
what about the ‘next’ injury?
Object’n sustained, calls for speculation about some ‘next’ injury
hahahahaha – objection sustained re: ‘the next injury’
hint: quit while you are a ‘head’ mr o’mara
damn, that was good laugh! the ‘next’ injury doesn’t exist. ‘those’ minor injures do.
OK–cross.
Should be a whole lot here to cover.
Thank you!
Wow! M O M goes way out into the weeds.
The next injury? The one that didn’t happen.
ask about Trayvon’s gun shot, is that life threatening. Oh never mind we know.
Why doesn’t the judge tell him to sit his azz down.
if it was like any of the other injuries then no
if extent of injuries is not relevant, mr o’mara, why are you doggedly pursuing this line of questioning?
i repeat fogen is toast there is no way defense can refute this
I agree Katie. O’Mara is making a fool of himself. This witness was fantastic for the state and he can’t change that.
Osterman may be putting a lot of mileage on his car in years ahead visiting the “best friend” he ever had in the clink.
so he didn’t punch shimmyman in the face 12 times, he possible slapped and scratched him a few times now…..he is trying to get her to testify that it is possible that his head made contact with ground over and over but they must have been very minor contacts….trayvon was very gentle apparently
jo~ while getting NO DNA on his hands in any way! WOW!
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funny fogen showed straight up and down slams now Trayvon is trying to tear his head off slams.
I wonder if the jurors hate O’Mara by now?
This may be why the objections are being withheld lol.
“Consistent with one” blow on cement.
Injuries are SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER”, She is having to sepculate’, but says it’s ‘unusual’, “head would really have to be contorted’ to get your scenarios.
Sidewalk,MOM introduces the ‘edge’.
Objection overruled because ‘hypothetical with expert’
this is the funniest cross yet
O’Mara is all smarm
comedy gold!
That is not a bruise below that is a lump.
It is possible what you are suggesting….heeeheee
Why don’t West and O’Mara experiment with themselves??
Looks like the defendant….
Time to get up Bernie.
let’s shave george and bang him around right now and see what happens
Hahaha! I second that.
I wish this could happen so badly. And, I feel guilty for wanting it to happen so much…
He cannot make it what it is NOT.
I guess it’s also possible a yeti hit him with a baseball bat.
It was a yeti robot who intended no harm, even with its laser beams and bombs.
well it was dark….
We know what Zimmerman said is IMPOSSIBLE and I would put her hypothesis of Martin causing his facial knicks.with a punch as impossible as well. We don’t know how fat ass got his boo boos but they did not happen as he claimed. She gives him the face punch and concrete slam, still don’t know how the hell this helps anything. Smmfh.
She perfectly demonstrated how fogen could have punched himself on the bridge of his nose. It was a perfect visual. She placed her fist on the bridge of her nose where his little laceration was.
Her opinion is loud and clear to the jury, the injuries were “very insignificant” and “so minor”…. All this blithering by O’Mara is not going to change that. The truth that is crystal clear is Fogen LIED.
Head would have to be contorted.
Is this going to take all afternoon? Same questions over and over.
Isn’t it time for an objection?
Please tell me the State will redirect with a simple, “In your expert medical opinion are these injuries minor and not consistent with life threatening injuries or consistent with the way GZ claimed?”
twitter going nuts with zimpologists calling this woman a quack
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That’s a surprise.
Mom going crazy.
he has irish boy skin, likely mild rosacea, and cannot disguise overt flushing when he’s agitated.
sadly, my own skin reacts the same.
what will the jury see?
If … if … if … if … if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their butts. I foresee boredom with all the hypotheticals.
If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bus.
If this was not so serious it would be on comedy central… This lady has handed MMO a complete a** whopin! He should exhibit wounds on his back side…..
Gee, scumbag, so she’s proving over and over again that he lied about his pumpkin head was smashed repeatedly on concrete.
Least number contact skull and ‘cement’ (it’s CONCRETE MOM, expert tells you).
“I told you three”.
Q, how many maximum?
A Can’t tell you
you have to tell me the scenario
MOM wants to increase number of blows using this expert.
“you have got to give me the scenario”
Ok, 6 blows to side of head?
No– injuries were so tiny.
Consider 4 on left side? “That’s not MY OPINION. It’s possible”
Abrasions in front, not punctate she has to correct him again.
“SO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET BRUISE AND SWELLING SEPARATE, both in one place indicates consistent with ONE injury.”
LOL sit down MOM she is not going for it.
How did we go from one hit to 30? Good grief.
He’s going for the fucking reasonable doubt because really, ANYTHING IS FUCKING POSSIBLE. I HATE THIS TACTIC.
Judy~ so is alien abduction. Doesn’t mean we believe it!
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Alien abduction is the only way out for Fogen NOW!
Malisha- highly doubtful even the aliens would want him. “Poor specimen. Lower end of the gene pool. Not worth cultivating. ”
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What about 40 times? fogen said he was his was hit about 40 times right
25- 30 times, depending on the day of the week.
What a condescending ah
Give up, scumbag. Fogen lied about the whole thing and you can’t change it.
O’Mara is getting upset
ha ha ha
O’Mara is a scumbag
Rene Stutzman@renestutzman12m
JacksonvilleME: I can’t tell if what u call swelling & injuries to his head are injuries or if he just has a lumpy skull. #Trayvon.
“The injuries are so minor”
I WANT NEVER GETS
TOLD YA
Dr. Rao is the bomb!!! i love how she is throwing MOM’s BS back in his face. LOL
Why is Shellie no longer attending?
Because she’s on the witness list and can’t be in the courtroom until after she testifies – if she does.
Rachael- Is Junior on the witness list to testify as well? He hasn’t been in the courtroom since his little press conference inside the courthouse has he? I know he wasn’t there the day Momma, Daddy and Shellie were told they had to leave.
She and Z’s parents were ejected before opening statements because they are on wit list. Defense made a big stink about getting Trayvon’s parents removed as well because they, too, are on list. State law, however, is very clear about parents of victims, especially minors, having a right to be in court.
So f I am understanding MOM, Fogen could have hit Trayvon and not left any marks on Trayvon or himself…correct?
Oh, she is fabulous.
That was your scenario, you would know…
That is scenario you posed so you would know.
O’Mara increased the contrast on his pics
Big time!
His eyes look the same today.
Wish every witness was like this woman. She wont let O’Mara lead her by the nose.
Rene Stutzman@renestutzman14m
DonWest pleading re that ice cream photo: My family has been threatened with violence & rape since it became news. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman
Whenver possible West pulls out the “lie” card.
they threatened to rape his whole family? that sounds weird
sounds desperate if your ah hem that way inclined
Go for the crème de la crème.
Not the mould left after milk left in hot oven for a week
One o westers ramp scallions would tweet that or falseflag that threat from a friend
misinformation
to cover there asses for being grounded and pounded an not in a nice way
Whaaaaa we channnt Gooa to CHOURT an court cotraversey an make fun of poor BLAHK TRASH!??
But DADDDEEEEEEEE PUHLEEEEEEEEESE I will be good.
NO
I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU.
real scheme team shows its self skellators spawn
An so the old death threat cant leave home blah blah..
Not so weird, Tzar. Some Pba-lack dynamite octopus with eight arms and lots of other dangerous body parts could rape them all at once! Oh Oh Oh get body guards, QUICK!!! Send money!
Malisha- LOL!
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Gee, now he knows how DeeDee feels. And, Trayvon’s family feel. I am thinking karma.
Has she ever tweeted about the doxing and harassment suffered by the two Dee Dees who were mistaken for Rachel Jeanteal?
TO~ Rape HIM or his daughters? Both? WITH the ice cream? DETAILS we want DETAILS! Seriously, what do threats have to do with some stupid and inappropriate tweets?
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Playing the VICTIM card, as usual. No decency. Whatever “threats” they may have received, they brought on THEMSELVES!!
On nos!
His princesses are so precious that King Kong wants them!!
Barbarians can’t control themselves in their presence!!
Must. Have. White. Virgins.
White virgins?
At least his family is safe.
(see, e.g., Lot’s daughters, ipsa ingra politburo boom, et alia.)
A whole book of fogen pictures. My god. Couldn’t eat for a week.
I saw your post just as I took a swig of my Diet Pepsi Lime. The results were not pretty.
Bwaahahahaha!
Reason why killer did not go get a CT scan.
she is looking damn
get foggage up right now buzz cut an then razor or get a Blind interpreter in to feel his head an They will tell us
His head reads in BRAILE
Im a big phat CHILD MOLESTER MURDERING SACK O SHIT.
Hahahahaha!
Glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t understand the defenses “circular logic”
O’Mara, shave his head and while you’re at it, get an X-ray of his nose and admit it into evidence.
Come on … Do it.
I hope Mr Guy ask could you tell better if his hair were short today.
Why do you think? That is what he does. He is a distortionist – like a contortionist, but distorts things.
MO’M the distortionist.
Rachael~ LOL! Good one!
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The more Mom is beat at his own game, the more condescending he becomes.
I wonder how many of these bruises could be caused by his MMA Training?
Exactly!
Yes. That would be interesting!
LOL good question, medical examiner!
OMG! I LOVE this woman!
She is not falling for it MOM!
exactly
you can’t have swelling without bruising in blunt trauma
The bruise is almost on top of his head?
How can the jury tell where she is talking about in these phtoos, where is the ‘bruise’. If the swelling was so severe, then there would be a significant bruise there, can’t separate one from the other.
(bruise and swelling go together)
MOM, it’s not your fault your conclusions are ‘extremely unscientific’ (taking what is on other side and applying it here)
Difficult to give opinion on photo because it’s so distorted.
Dr. Rao “Why are we looking at distortion and half sides?”
Confusing the jury, sets and copies of photos and sets and photos in evidence.
That’s very unscientific she says. LOL
ROFL!! She’s getting the best of scumbag.
“Very insignificant” from the doctor,
“capillary type lacerations” from Serino.
The die is cast.
My term not yours
O MANIC Moronic .shopahriphic.
It’s so obvious how desperate scumbag is getting. Making mountains out of MOLEhills.
DRuDo~ LOL!
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She is smarter then MOM, not letting him insert words in her mouth like those other clowns
It just occurred to me that Zimmerman’s head boo-boos could be the result of him rolling on the concrete while wrestling with Martin.
Yes
Exactly and that is what I think the prosecution is getting at.
That is a better explanation than what she said about one punch and down. Fuckin NONSENSE!
Yes–exactly. If those punctate abrasions came from the cement, he would have to be in some position other than on his back.
Now she is talking about how severely contorted the head would have to be in order to get all those bruises all over.
@Robert –
Yes, head a moving object – not necessarily on concrete dog walk. Could have been on concrete box cover of irrigation valves in the grassy area.
She does admit to a small bruise, she gives him a lesson on what she considers, not just distance but whole area contour of head.
MOM calls client’s head a sphere or oval.
She corrects MOM on his use of ‘scarring’– NOT the right USE OF TERM.
Scalp not skull… dumskull!!
I think his scalp is discolored. i do not think these are bruising. It is not a fluke he grew his hair out.
OK–getting into the shape of the head.
I want to know how a person laying on their back gets wounds consistent with concrete on the front of their head.
I didn’t hear that one… very curious.
MOM she is way way above your league. You might want to stop while you are behind.
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/194-state-s-motion-for-protective-order-and-defense-reply
The defence attorneys have posted their response to the ice cream picture motion. They’re calling for an inquiry into the state.
Inquiries for everyone!!!!!
Bwa-ha-ha. Right.
Holey shirt!
Lotta words to say its all the prosecution’s fault.
Nobody cares about West’s “guilty pleasure” of eating ice cream after court. Apparently his demeanor with his family is not such that they have respect for a 19 year old witness to a horrendous event in the life of her friend (regardless of WHAT anyone thinks about how that happened), particularly considering the profound differences in the advantages in their lives.
Haha–triumphing over stupid my aunt fannie’s fanny.
And dad didn’t get it “dead” right.
It’s the states fault…. my daughter is stupid…I took this picture the day before (but decided to post it after Rachel’s testimony)..
Racist SOB
I know you a poster previously stated that the judge is not political and MOM is active and may have more clout but something has to be done. The defense are low down dirty dogs that disrespect the Court, JN, female witnesses, and the jurors.
JN need to grow a pair and hit them where it hurts.
LOL! Boo Hoo! Sanctions sanctions sanctions!!
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No MOM he is lumpy.
she cant use your term if you don’t mention it to the jury omaniac………..
small baby boo boos MOM, get over it.
And you can bet if those moms on the jury have seen injuries and if they have boys may have seen fights and just have to be shaking their heads.
I still say the punctate abrasions could come from bushes, branches or rolling on the ground.
I agree. I wish somebody would ask her if that is “possible”
Yes! Yes, yes! Soebody like, oh, say, THE PROSECUTION.
I say.that as well. Pardon my French but her testimony of one punch slightly injuring two sides of.the head is flat out fuckin dumb. And the right-handed TM did not punch him and cause a cut on the left side of his nose and two knicks on the tip. Recoil bitch RECOIL!!!
OK MOM, you better get Georgie to shave his head again so to prove to the jury it wasn’t a ridge made by the skull plates.
And another thing MOM, what you said before about GZ’s head being hit on one side and being pushed against the pavement on the other,
a) GZ claims Trayvon lifted his head and slammed it against concrete, NOT that his head was buffeted/forced/ pshed against the concrete by
b) Where is the bruising that corresponds to the hit on the other side of his head that propelled his head against the concrete ?
If it is swelling then the the bruise should be so marked it can be seen, get it MOM?
Exactly. LOL!!!
Now we know why they told him to grow his hair out.
Distortion in the photograph. Ha!
Ewwwww…..brown moles.
I bet if she saw the reenactment with the knuckle bandages, she laughed even harder than I did.
fogen is toast
Touch wood and fingers crossed because the defence still has their own medical expert and my bet is he will argue exactly the contrary… unfortunately medical and forensics are not exact sciences, there is almost always room for opinion.
gbrbsb~ But can you see something that just isn’t there? No DNA means no DNA. Natural variations without contusions are just that. I mean, even with an ME that is in the defense’s pocket, WHAT can they say that could salvage “insignificant injuries”?
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They could call them “grievous injuries” or as Jonathan Turley so cavalierly referred to them, “serious injuries,” but that won’t matter. Six jurors will look at those little scratches and conclude in about two minutes flat, “Huh? THOSE little nothing scratches? I had worse than that pinning up my prom dress when I was Trayvon’s age.”
He has a bumpy head. You go girl.
PUNCTATE WOUNDS AND MOLES!!
HAHAHAHA!
here we go again. Now the ME is incompetent or lying
I have always believed those spots are moles or some kind of blemishes. Those are not wounds on the side of his head.
Why is Bernie allowing this?
Rope to hang OM with. Jury won’t like him badgering the witness. Looks desperate.
West talking to intern– is he saying ‘check the tree!! Quick, check the tree!! Need ideas now!!” And check if this woman person has a FB page! Quick!!”
LOL
So, O’Mara’s point is that there may be a few more very minor abrasions.
So, what?
Professor how.does her version of one punch and down help the state if TM COULD have escaped????
exactly. so what? The ME said MINOR. NOT LIFE THREATENING sorry for the caps.
Cut… or is it punctate… to the point, Prof!! Thanks!!
MOM forgets the K.I.S.S.
Dr. RAo says about the high angle photo looking down from top and side view “It’s a VERY VERY FUNNY ANGLE” about not being a swelling because there is no bruise.
“NO, I can’t see a bruise there” (think that was states 67)
Its arriass poor wee bent finger again
its no a a lhump an neither is the bump on the lhumps head
Its a genuine boo boo like his panda eyes were genuine blahck eyes
As we say in SCOTLAND
EYE RIFGT SO YE ARE.
In a sarcastict tone.
He is not going to get her to say CAC has bruising on his head.
YOU LOOK WORRIED, fogen!!! What’s the matter?
poor fogen lies coming out
…I mean Mom….
This is a heady experience.
Bwahahahaha!
Pretty soon, she is going to get the Rachel Jeantel treatment because she is not giving West what he wants. He’s getting rather testy.
Michelle, that’s Mark O’Mara.
West is the Bald Defense Atty.
He will trap her with what I’ve been saying. This witness does not explain how TM knocked Fogen on his ass and didn’t.run like hell. If West doesn’t say it that.won’t stop the jury from thinking it. I AM. She fuckin got it wrong!
tasha~ you are an incredible nincompoop. THAT IS NOT HER JOB.
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Giggle
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tash I wasn’t angry at you at first because after yesterday I had a few doubts about BDLR.But I read the common sense comments here and re listened to the trial and realized it was only one day.When you hear evidence that is against fogen you don’t seem to comment on that.Now you’re making me angry.
pat deadder~ take heart. I’ve had it up to my bifocal eyeballs with her negativity with the prosecution. Dr Rao was awesome, huh? 🙂
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Is this allowed?
i love this woman!!!
I was going to ask where the line forms to give her a sweet kiss on the cheek.
Women physicians from India (if that’s where she is from originally) can’t get jobs historically, in Canada, difficult to fight the system here at least in the past.
They all must’ve moved to Houston, cause there are LOTS of them here. Of course we also have a substaantial Indian & Pakistani population.
we have a lot here, especially in the bay area and in my experience, all brilliant.
I think she’s losing patiencewith all the “ifs”.
duh, ‘i too have very good photographs’
“to see if we can focus you…” he is SO condescending, and y’all are right, he does not respect women at all.
absolutely — did he ask to approach this witness? defense often neglects when women are testifying…. guess what else? an all woman jury, jackety ass!
I also have very good photographs.
Go, go, go.
Dr. Rao hits him with the bumps on head could be an anatomic feature, no discolouration at all..
Hair is so short, we should be able to see it really well, and she says “I have to strain to see what you are trying to point out.”
I don’t see a bruise there… I also have very good photographs”
She says AV screen photos ‘so poor’.
“I will show you MY PICTURES THAT I HAVE”. DAMN! she’s not taking his guff.
Points out punctate wounds without bruising.
Off with his head!
😀
I love this lady! That’s the shape of the lumpy lump! LOL
None of.this explains why TM would hit him and not escape!!
because he was holding him(mma) then shot him,keep up
katie~ ZING! Thank you.
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TM did not (probably) even hit him. He could have impact from gun recoil; he could have impact from knocking into something; he could have self-inflicted wounds on his head (gun-shaped by the way); there is no real evidence TrayvonMartin ever landed a punch or even a slap on him, no DNA.
Tasha, you’re not suggesting, are you, that Trayvon hit Fogen and then hung around? For what, to see if he could land another good one? We don’t know what happened because it’s impossible to know what happened. Even when there are videos, as there were of the Boston Marathon bombing, it is extremely difficult to figure out what actually happened within a short and violent period of time with unknown participants doing all sorts of unexpected things. You can reasonably rule out, however, that Trayvon sucker punched Fogen, then had a clear path to escape and failed to take it. Just not possible.
Just as Fogen’s creative scenario was not possible. That’s all the prosecution really needs to prove. I think it’s already proven.
“That may be an anatomic variation.” In other words, George may just have a lumpy head. Hahaha.
time to shave gz’s head
Let’s shave and examine MO’M’s head.
shaking mine.
She says that our heads are not perfectly shapen.
He moves on.
BOOYA
anatomic variation aka knotty ass head
Shape of his head. LMAO Wheeeeww! I am loving this!
bumpy head boy and asymmetrical at that
let’s shave his head
haha it’s his jacked up skull
That’s just the shape of his head…yes yes and yes
“no, that’s the shape of his head … no discoloration … anatomic variation”
Yeah! The SHAPE of his head!!! Love it.
NO, THAT’S THE SHAPE OF HIS HEAD!!!
The preponderance of the evidence.
assess not a***ses 😉
Refers back to the preponderance of the evidence–a single impact is more likely.
I think we should use the word scrumopolis for where the head makes impact.
The Dr. should of told MOM, “Don’t no, no, no me!”
One impact is more plausible.
MOM has no respect for women. His demeanor when talking to women lacks respect in a major way unless they are Jenna!
That’s the definition of this team and their client.
Hes an asshole thru & thru. She is handling him though. She is good with the bully.
I agree.
Nellie~ So isn’t it DELICIOUS that women are ALL he has before him??
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Absolutely! I am sure that they see his lack of respect! LOL
Jenna is a cheerleader for HIS GUY. He only respects “women” if they are cheerleaders for HIM or HIS GUY. That’s their appropriate role in life anyway, you know!
No matter how hard scumbag tries, he can’t overcome INSIGNIFICANT, non life threatening boo-boos which would justify murdering Trayvon. GD coward.
Im still pissed. One punch that knocked Zimmerman down now doesn’t explain why TM didn’t run away. I.cant believe you folks dont get it. SLOPPY ASS CONCLUSION BY THE STATE!!!!!
“explain why TM didn’t run away”? Perhaps because GZ killed him?
I’m with you, Tasha. If we can all see it and offer alternatives, why can’t trained, professional attorneys?
Ms. X~ Because we are NOT lawyers and Bernie IS. He KNOWS what he is doing. I would no more criticize him for his lawyering as I would criticize you for the way you teach. We are experts at our own professions.
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Fogen’s DNA on Trayvon’s clothing, the holes from the bullet going through the clothing at point-blank while entering the chest at intermediate, and Fogen’s positioning of his own left hand to show he had to aim to avoid shooting himself show why Trayvon didn’t run away: He was being restrained. Also, I believe the gun was out 15-20 seconds earlier than the beginning of the last scream.
tasha~ your aggravating whining is unbelievable! THAT will come out WITH THE BALLISTICS where shirt holes and bullet holes will be lined up and that will EXPLAIN why Trayvon could NOT run away. Get it? The rest of us do. Sit down and watch.
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Give tasha a break she is just worried.
Kllpyn- once in a while I can see. But every single day??
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Well you may have a point but there’s no need to be testy with her. Maybe she’s one those types who overreacts. I work with a lady who tends to overreact.
Annoying and unnecessary, right?
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yes
You seem to stay “pissed.” But that’s OK. It’s your life.
VERY insignificat,quote the good doc
he is trying to make this two hits instead of 1
We aren’t talking about knuckles we are talking about one surface area.
We are not talking about knuckles. LOL
Thank you for this site Professor. I really appreciate your notes when salient testimony/procedure occurs. I’m an Anatomist and have been called many times as an expert witness (usually in traffic or workplace injury cases). At what moment does the attorney asses they have completed a witness? What is the marker?
By mere observation I sense MOM is talking to specific jurors at certain points…as I often sense when I’m testifying. Keep up the great comments all!
LOL MOM is full of it.
Mom’s thought bubble–> How many times can I get the word ‘shot’ in as Trayvon’s actions rather than the word chosen by this expert.
One was 0.5 cms and 2.5 cms after nurse cleaned of blood obsuring
Two injuries? She says yes but she doesn’t do physics, she says two injuries from one impact still.
MOM”s pointer makes big circles; around the blood, to suggest visually, it’s much bigger area from the confusion of the dried , dripped, wiped blood.
she said 2.0 for the second one
I hope the State asks whether GZ’s head bumps and lacerations could be from his scraping and bumping his head on the pavement during the struggle but not because his head was “slammed” by Trayvon.
I believe GZ was underneath Trayvon but not because Trayvon was holding him down or hitting him but because he was clinging on to Travyon with one of his MMA grappling techniques to prevent Trayvon from getting away before the police came and as Trayvon was trying to free himself from him GZ’s head was being buffeted along the ground.
good deduction
@gbrbsb –
Correct.
“Minor collateral damage to head while hunting and killing victim.”
Pass the kiddie band-aids, please.
I agree, but let’s keep calm because as I have posted already, we still haven’t heard the defence’s expert and my bet is it’s going to be like chalk and cheese, same with the gunshot wound experts if different.
Agree.
Agree. Amsterdam thinks so too I believe – its the best theory I’ve heard. There was no”fight” there was a prisoner trying To escape an illegal detention
Was amsterdam and another poster, can’t remember, pondering about John’s description of how the pair moved from grass to sidewalk and from sidewalk to grass without changing position and how the one on the bottom can’t control the movement only the one on the top can, that gave me the idea.
It dawned that GZ on the bottom during the struggle at least fitted all the witnesses testimonies, it even fits with the young boy’s testimony who said he only saw one person, GZ, because if GZ was holding on to a skinny stick like Trayvon tight in a grappling hold, in the dark it could have looked like a single person, and imo fitting with the witnesses narratives has to be better than trying to refute and/or debunk them and call half of them liars which is difficult to prove.
It also explains none of the others DNA on either, no defence wounds either, the minor injuries to GZ’s head scraping along the concrete, the lack of any slapping or punching noises while yes the existence of scuffling sounds that all witnesses noted, and the screams, imo two people are heard on that recording, i.e. GZ screaming “help me”, i.e. “help me restrain this guy”, and Trayvon’s heart-wrenching screams while GZ holds onto him with painful grappling locks to keep him from getting away.
I only hope the prosecution has also realised the theory because although I am reminded often that the prosecution doesn’t have to “prove” anything one way or the other only that what GZ says couldn’t have happened, it’s my view that putting a theory forward that is at peace with all the other evidence is a better bet than not having anything to put forward or one that is at odds with many witnesses testimony.
You can tell when O’Mara is pissed. He doesn’t appear to be able to hide his emotions well.
Where’s W… no 3 hour cross
Pay no attention to the dried blood–the lacerations were quite small.
again with the all this.
I thought he had briks an I spread his hands out.
The only way foggagge would have screamed in FEAR that night
Is after he emptied a hollow point into TRAYVONS HEART
TURNING IT INTO MINCE.
Would be if after the fatal shot TRAYVON HAD SAT UP
And said oh you got me you got it you rap scallion Im going to be cursive an stuff at you.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD foggagge SCREAM LIKE A BIATCH ON HELLIUM.
I wonder if punctate scrapes can be caused by tree bark?
Very good!
treepers cause nothing but hurt an shame because that’s all raceists have is fear shame hurt an a massive inferiority complex
Ha foggagge has a lumpy head ha ha ha. bubble bobble head compare his buzz cut at first court same wee bumps as he as a lumpy head
I’ve been wondering about that for a while. Several trees are in the area. I really hope the State brings that up during cross.
all this i dont see this, lmao
O’M is so condescending. He makes me sick.
So by pointing out that the swelling recedes in a few hours you are pointing out how minor the the injuries are to your client.
And spinning. And spinning some more.
Swelling recedes slowly or quickly based on the severity of the injury–Z’s went away quickly because it was not severe.
If you were alive you would cough it out. Bam!
“I don’t know why you would swallow it…”
It’s too bad she said the blood came from inside the nose. I’m not sure she actually knows that or had studied that “bloody” photo in comparison to the little nose pricks we see four/five hours later. Wish Guy had brought it up on re-direct.
O’M is truly a slimy scumball. Minor “injuries” is sure a hell of an excuse to murder Trayvon.
Question: If the first punch broke his nose and he bled wouldn’t subsequent punches transfer.the blood to other parts of his face? How likely is it that someone bleeds minutes after their nose is hit and not during a viscious attack where they are continually punched in the nose and face? Inquiring minds!
Not severe.
Protusion to the nose! LOL
and he knows he’s been outsmarted – cause those are NOT caused by fingernails!
If they were, there would have been DNA under the fingernails (Trayvon’s).
bizzackly!
Oops–let the witness take control of the interview again. Explaining how anything is possible but she looks at the preponderance of the evidence.
SMACKDOWN! finger-nail scrape!! LOVE this witness!!
fogen really is a homocidal maniac
did she say fingernail scratch and he said move on?
ha ha ha
this lady just put Omara in his place
ha ha ha
i know, medical examiner trumps defense, ahahahahaaaa
she did give you an opinion, ass wipe!
Just not the one he wanted…
But, let’s move on.
So … another of MOM’s favorite bridge words.
foggagge was looking for imanry concrete bricks in an imaginary spread out TRAYVONS HANDS.
Wich were never spread out an searched for invisible concrte brix an O Manic believes his deranged clients version of EVENTS?
MOM knows CAC is guility. He took this case for selfish reasons.
1. Initially for publicity; racist donated money
2. Intentions turned to the money.
wait there is only one injury on Trayvon’s hand
She looks at a scenario and decides from that what would be ‘consistent’.
More consistent with two shots? (SHOTS? interesting choice, MOM)
Hits with a ‘palm?’
Cuts plural on Trayvon’s hand… she says yes she noticed them but NOT cuts, they are ABRASIONS.
Did Guy cover TMs hands? If not WHY NOT?? Blood boiling alert.
She didn’t examine Trayvon. That’s for another witness yet to come. Today was good. Take heart.
cuts plural? i think not
abrasion and one i believe
so now Trayvon bitched slapped him too?
I have a feeling Austin will be the next witness, because he seen man in red on the ground moaning alone….
Now he palmed him?
i think his BFF told him to bloody hissel fAFTER the child was already dead
Agreed!
So he wasn’t even on the loosing end of a fight he got a couple of little bumps maybe some trying to bring down Trayvon or slipping and falling and shot him because he got pissed off. George is a wimp.
If armed himself with concrete he would at least have concrete dust under his finger nails me thinx
LOL!
OM’s spinnin’ again.
o’mara’s losing it and this woman is unflappable
Careful O’Mara this lady is way smarter than you
and she actually answers questions for a living
Lack of blood on TMS hands says he didn’t hit Zimmerman and draw blood. Fuck the image of her punching herself in the face. Pissed again!
Tasha, let’s look at the totality of the evidence. I think it would be a mistake for the prosecution to try and present Trayvon as never having engaged Zimmerman. Look at the totality of the evidence, and this is what I think it shows.
Jenna Lauer hears an argument happening at the T, and so does Jeanee Manalo. At some point, Jenna hears a grunt and the sound of scurrying feet, as if two people are running. To me this matches what Rachel Jeantel heard, with Zimmerman catching up to Martin, demanding to know who he was, and grabbing his arm to detain him (“get off, get off!”). I think Martin punched Zimmerman once here, but he did not fall down. Martin ran away and Zimmerman chased him to where the phone and flashlight fell. A few seconds later, Selene and her sister hear noises of scuffling feet and she looks out to see both of them grappling by where the cell phone fell, and this is important, STANDING UP. She goes back inside to turn off the stove. She comes back and at this point I believe Martin and Zimmerman went down to the grass. I think Zimmerman did in fact do a shimmy here, and scooted himself onto the sidewalk, and did really hit his head, and that Martin did in fact get on top at the time John Good came out. But when John Good went back inside, Zimmerman flipped Martin off and got back on top. This is when Austin Brown saw him. Zimmerman, as per the location of the shell casing and the direction of the blood, was on top at this point. He shot Martin, and Selma Mora ran to her window in time to see Zimmerman on top five seconds after the shooting. Several witnesses saw the same thing.
So I don’t think the state needs to prove that Martin was never on top or never hit Zimmerman. I think it’s sufficient to show that a) Zimmerman was never knocked down at the T, and b) he didn’t get the beat down he claimed, and in fact continued to go after Trayvon until he killed him, and c) made up a bunch of vicious and unbelievable lies to cover up the fact that at every step of the way he was the agent of conflict, while Martin was trying to get away.
To me, this fits all the evidence and doesn’t require any discounting of witnesses as liars or shills, fits the physical evidence, and doesn’t require Martin to be a superhero or Zimmerman to have planned this from the start. And if the state argues something that fits ALL of the evidence and exposes Zimmerman as the sociopathic liar he really is, the jury will not let him get away with killing Trayvon Martin.
Unabogie- very convincing except for the strike from Trayvon because the forensic evidence shows zero DNA on his hands as well as no bruising from a punch it hit.
FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62
Three impacts. One to the back and one to each side closer to the front.
Does Zim’s head spin around?
Does Z’s head spin around? Sure. Just before he emits projectile green vomit, and that must be every day, at least. He’s a walking demon.
Maybe due to a single “rolling” motion across the pavement?
TRAYVONS HANDS
NO TRACE OF BLOOD OR D N A…
Pardon moi Francie
An ossie noun concrete sai plais sacre blue mon ammis
whod a thunk it…SIMPLES.
“You could call me, just like the state can call me”
We do natural death, we do suicides, we do auto accidents” (not just criminanl)
He’s questioning her professional ethics, credibility. He tries to put ‘slamming’ into her use, she clears that one up. She would not use slamming, she would use ‘IMPACT’.
smashing? no slam? o’mara asks
no, IMPACT dumbass
She is good, not letting MOM put words in her mouth or tarnish her reputation….
I’m sure this is NOT he first rodeo.
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Shouldn’t mom be trying to beg her to say this could be 4 or 5 injuries from being slam downed?
FFS o’mara — forensic exam is performed because of crime
Injuries to the side of the head are minor bumps caused a single contact with a cement surface.
That’s one impact per side
I’m thinking a rolling motion would explain all those little spots. As in, a wrestling motion or while trying to hang onto someone to prevent the person’s escape.
Wish Dr. Bao would have thought about a single “rolling” contact when she was cross examined by MOM about “how many” possible contacts. Actually, I wish she hadn’t agreed to two or three contacts, for the same reason.
(“could” explain)
So instead of questioning her presentation of the actual evidence, he is going to make this about politics?
Sit down crypto, this lady is kicking your ass!! LOL!!
Kiss his arse Rao!
this lady is GOOD!
His injuries are consistent with his cheap piece of crap kel-tec 9mm kicking back and hitting him in the face.
yup
Exactly!! Ffs can’t believe they said different. How tf could TM cause those.two knicks at the tip of his nose????
How many times was fogen’s head slammed into the ground, West?
m o m
foggagge is the BOSS OFF YOU AN SKELLATOR.
The desperation is palpable lmao!
are you f***** kidding me.?
Glad I’m not the only one. I’m not gonna watch. MOM is gonna tear her ass up. SMMFH!!
Pretty freaking desperate. She’s gonna own him, though. He’s met his match.
The Ms. Corey defebse, Is this all they have?
Oh wow! He is slimy!
She kicked azz. Here comes the mamby-pamby stuff from West.
oh sheesh
MOM will take 5 days.
Very small little mark on bridge o fnose– again, “NO loss of consciousness”, no hopsital, he went to a ‘clinic’.
Any abrasions? She shows them, we dont’ see where she pointed but on face, and “very small”.
Can this come from a single blow? YES, consistant for the pattern of the injuries iable to nflict these injuries.
Contusions to both sides? “Yes”
Disrgard drop of dried blood (right side) in her showing of where contusions on back of head as the blood is not on an injury.
Also those on back concistent with a ‘SINGLE BLOW”
Again disregard flow of dried blood (showing left side)
Again, could be a ‘SINGLE IMPACT YES”
All those injures from one impact.
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Video at SPD, “Not incapac’d in any way” Walked on own power and talking to officers.
More like tumbling and rolling not beating…hmmm I do hope Trayvon did give him one fist to the face but it looks to me like the kid was simply trying to break away from the idiot.
W smirking and it makes me wonder what he is going to ask the doctor.
West should sit quietly the rest of this week but I’m sure he will try to bully the doctor into saying the injuries are life threating.
Bet Zimmie slipped on the wet grass and fell backwards hit edge of sidewalk maybe even before catching up with Trayvon. No slamming head on concrete. He could have also hit his head on the edge of the sidewalk tussling with Trayvon.
Yep!
I wish she would use the word “superficial” because thats what his “injuries” are. NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK ABOUT DIRECTION OF BLOOD FLOW!!!
Small abrasion on the bridge of the nose and 2 punctate injuries to the tip of the nose.
The injuries are consistent with a single blow.
Trayvon was right handed. Im back.to being pissed off. They just effed up their own case.
tasha~ PLEASE shut up.
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whooo hoooo your pissed off, awww let’s all just stop and give you a group hug.
please don’t cry, you’ll be ooookkkkaaaayyyyy!!!!
Daaauuuuyyyymmmmm!!!!! Self Inflected!!!!!
me thinks so
whaaaooo, omara got his hand full. medical examiner trumps clinic pa anyday.
medical exaimner is not letting omara put words in her mouth or answer twisted questions.
Have they shown gz’s face recently during all this? I bet it’s priceless!
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i missed much today, i’m about to check out croaker queen and trent.
what happened to west (snicker) what i have seen of today he hasn’t peeped (mi laughing).
did you see States Motion requesting an inquiry of the cone heads girls and dadkilledit? BAH WAH HA HA HA HA!
i stand strong, i don’t care what day that pic was taken it was the intentions. posted after Rachaels’ testimony, the captions and their references, that is what made it questionable. there was no mentio of #dadkilledit dum azz opening joke.
if he was beat with feather than yes.
Truth is so powerful….They are all minor….
Yes indeed doc.
YAY!!!!
scraped
By Dr. Rao says NOT CONSISTENT WITH SLAMMING UNDER HER DEFINITION BECAUSE she expects ‘slamming” implies ‘GREAT FORCE.
No great force.
Please note: Mr. West has in the hearing process leading up to this trial stated he was computer illiterate, yet he touch types and from watching him as he was on the computer when MOM and the State went to the judges bench, he was touch typing and look like he was doing a search….
crazy~ not to defend the douchebag, BUT when people say things like they are not computer literate, they mean they don’t know the major programs, like MicroSoft Office or Excel or Powerpoint. I don’t consider myself computer literate becasue I only know word processing. BUT I can search and find anything, and I can certainly use apps and type. SOOOO…. he might indeed be computer illiterate and yet be able to do many things. Just my rusty 2 cents worth.
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Yes, but he was talking about Facebook, Twitter and sites such as The GZ Legal Blog! Things that he seems now to know how to use! Perhaps he learned how to do those things recently…. 😉
crazy~ TRUE! I mean, they’re not rocket science! My 2nd graders use them!
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But West said they were beyond his abilities! Actually perhaps they are……
Well, you know what they say about old dogs and new tricks!
We old folks learned how to type, because we did actually have typewriters back in the old days.
Agreed, I am proof of that! But West now suddenly knows how to do what one month ago he could not even begin to understand, yet he takes five + minutes to process a simple sentence? Sorry, but that does not process……..
So minor. Slammed implies great force. Uh, oh! Buh bye!
Not great force. repeatedly slammed lots of lacerations.
Hearsay? Dictionaries? Don’t believe so….
VERY insignificant,means he prolly SCAPED his own head,and bloodied his own nose imo
O’Mara’s hearsay objection to using a dictionary definition of slammed is “frivolous.”
CONSISTENT WITH strike on concrete surface and consistent with ONE STRUKE”
Q repeatedly: “Slammed” two defs she wants to give using two dictionairies “..
Objection by MOM as ‘hearsay”
OK, she is an EXPERT and can not comment on another expert’s opinion? IE is the dictionary source (say OED, or Websters unabridged, considered an ‘authority’?
She not only has the goods, she seems to be an unusually outstanding witness on the stand.
Why M O M is objecting.
hearsay from a dictionary??? Crypto is so desperate!!
Dr. Rao is starting to go wobbly. I expected her to say categorically no way was that head slammed repeatedly against concrete.
hang on I think she is just trying to be thorough.
hear say from a dictionary? interesting. Mom is scared of the word slam.
Defining a word from the dictionary is hearsay?
Do tell?
dictionary is hearsay …. oh boy
What?! SHe can’t define “slammed”. Hearsay?!
Injuries on the back of the head are consistent with one contact with a cement surface.
Bingo!
Break out the dictionary.
So he hit his head only once?
Could have fallen himself running after a kid.
Yep when his clumsy arse fell during the fight.
in pace with officers
This is a GREAT witness for the state! Love it!!
The Testimony of this ME is huge. GZ and O’Mara’s web of lies severely damaged! Go Sky-Hawks.
Injuries to the back of the head were so minor as to only require a bandaid.
Remember, “Hello Kitty” child-size Band-Aids are the size that fit.
I just heard a collective “Whoop there it is” coming from Dade County.
INGSIGNIFICANT JUST LIKE FOGGAGGE APT INDEED AND IN DEED YOU SHALL BE KNOWN
MURDERER
talk about blood flow dr.
oh this is gonna be good (until we get to autopsy of course )
Boom!!
Defendant’s injuries were “very insignificant.”
Defendant’s injuries, INSIGNIFICANT INJURIES” and “NOT LIFE THREatening”
I’ve said it many times: I get WORSE just medicating my cat!!
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whoa! Insignificant injuries
Injuries: “…very insignificant!!
INSIGNIFICANT!!
Insignificant injuries.
very insignificant…… YES!!!!!
Very insignificant!
I love you, Mr. Guy.
she talkin foggagges boo boo an then boom TRAYVON ON A SLAB
I bet GZ is not laughing now.
oh shit fogen i hope for everyone in the courtroom you have on your adult diaper!
This is about to get good
Yes, it is.
Medical Examiner, Chief in her distyrict, 32 years, licenced phsy and surgeon.
Expert 1971 med degree, then to London UK, two hospitals doing pathology, plus 5 yrs residency in USA…. several states, Board certified in anatomic, clinical and……..
Assoc med exameiner for 19 yrs (can’t keep up with her!!)
Jacksonvill med examiner for about 7 (?) yrs.
“sudden unnatural death casese” comes under forensic pathology field
Also dealt with living trauma victims,several thousand, so experienced with living patients as well. Including rape victims and also someone alleging police brutality to see if allegations borne out by trauma. Also child abuse cases, esp if they thought child was going to die, basically practiced ‘forenseic medicine’ vs just practiccing ‘forensic patho’gy’.
Blunt force– a blunt weapon, ie stick, baseball bat,
vs
Sharp force == sharp instrument
Blunt
1. small bruise, blood vessels unders skin which is intact
2. scrape– skin compromised
3. lacern’s– skin torn and underlying tiissue also torn
bruise = contusions
scrape = abrasion
laceration = tearing of tiissue
LOL MOM doesn’t want her to say sheet about fogen’s injuries.
I have a good feeling about the medical examiner.
I hope she gives opinion on Fogen’s boo-boos
so Mrs M.E. is fogen’s boo boos life threatening? Head beat by side walk?
You go girl!
Tell me this fool didn’t just chuckle at the end of that clip then lean over as if to say, “I looked pretty good there, huh?”
hey good looking…..who is this guy? hadnt noticed him before
LOL
I like Bao’s style of delivery
Go ahead MOM, ask her about fogen’s pictures of his injury.
sHES
Not talking about you fogggaggge.
ahhhhh – experience treating rape victims among an amazing background of qualifications
faux mccoy~ gz should keep her info for several months from now.
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M E an forensics are up
soon wipe smile of foggagges face
Great trained in London
Gie him a Glasgow kiss miss.
From INDIA foggagge.
edumicated minority ladt whoda thunk it
GODS PLAN STILL ENFOLDS BEFORE MINE AN YOURN EYES..
I know, right? Female Special Prosecutor, Female Judge, Female Medical Examiner.
It’s just not fair….[foot stomp].
Not to leave out Female Best Friend who was on the phone with him.
Does this mean we are moving towards the end of the prosecution’s case? Imagining that they’ll have lots of forensic evidence.
Fogen: I was just a robot on sentry duty in my community. They shoot kids, don’t they?
Thank you Norm Wolfinger and Bill Lee for running blocker in the beginning. If you had done your job, the guy gets arrested that night, clams up, and doesn’t say a word to anyone. But thanks to you guys, Zimmerman thought he was home free and blabbed blabbed blabbed. He ain’t never taking the stand, so thanks for all the good evidence that you allowed the defendant to provide concerning his side(s) of the story.
Yes, indeed.
Freaking creep smiling at his performance…the one that’s going to get him 35+ years in prison I hope.
There’ll be a freeze frame of that shot everywhere in just a bit, I bet.
Sick, the fool is sick I pray he gets convicted because he is cold blooded.
Kleenex anyone? We are going to need it.
Medical Examiner. This just got real.
Impressive resume.
Dr. Valerie Rao
Assistant Medical Examiner
I thought she said chief?
Heat is on
the Me is up
That sick smirk was too much. He’s proud of his rotten ass!
Medical examiner!
Yup dem phukin Mexican have it comein to
But no Mexicans in Sandford
But your new home filled with MEXICANOS
Hey homes hows it hanging!
ffs foggagge big grin after watchin hannatiy he thinks itz in da bag
De Nile n loger in Eygypt it just flooded Florida Seminole moment we are witnessing in Seminole County.
Cameras on fogen in the dark as the Sean Hannity show wrapped up, and lights came on. Did you see that big sideways grin, happy with himself!!
Hopefully the jury did…
yup
I saw
it
that boy ain’t right in the head
medical examiner
see how Bernie set the stage, if fogen does not take the stand, then the jurors will use that as his testimony. even if Judge Nelson instructs them not to ‘THE BELL IS RUNG’, Go ahead on Bernie with your bad self.
awwww omara sounds so wounded……
That smug, smirky bas—- liked himself on Hannity. How sad.
Did that A-hole just smile at his TV appearance?
Now Zim’s smirking–after watching himself on Sean Hannity.
Big joke, eh fella?
Did you see he’s big, big goofy grin?
I was on the tee bee.
OMG. This is sad.
roflmao! tee bee!
Almost Famous.
wtf is he smiling about? Fogen this SHIT ain’t funny.
WTF is right, disappointed. What does this asshole have to smile about? I cannot bear watching him smile and laugh. He killed an unarmed kid for sheer sport and bias, and he doesn’t have the right to smile ever again, IMO. Nothing funny going on here. Nothing.
Did he just smile after that showing?
yes
I’m going to throw up.
It was not a smile, it was what we commonly call a sh*t eaten grin! One that a person gives when he does something he is proud to have done! This individual is sick, no he is worse than just sick! What a perverted a** he is!!
Was he enjoying watching himself on that interview?
I’m guessing a few folks on the jury are as sickened by his demeanor as many of us are.
And then, I just shot this kid and went back to my malted milkshake. Doesn’t everyone?
well that makes it all better. you described cause they asked. stop calling police idiot.
wow truth told nah after a turned his heart to mincemeat I Kew he hadn’t got away.
How many more stories did Zimmerman tell… the kid can’t speak there was no you got it…Oh my God’s plan ! That is really out there Zim you come across as a real sicko. How could Trayvon say anything he had no heartbeat no breath to speak with you blew it away. 35+ years.
That goofy laugh makes me sick! He’s talking about the murder of a child!
Hannity: why did he tell you to shut the fuck up
fogan: i don’t know
The reason you don’t know because you was not the one screaming for help.
Yep.
Unfortunately, this is all it takes in America for a white or half-white individual to be cleared of all charges: behave in an innocent or “Gee, golly, wow” demeanor.” This is something black people can’t get away with.
It’s true…I hate it.
Sorry, but I have to quote a black comedian…
Whiteguy says “I’m the anti-Christ that’s why I had to kill them”- White people say “hey, he was crazy, lets study this”
Blackguy says “I’m the anti-Christ that’s why I had to kill them”- White people smack their lips saying “Oh really, negro”
Right, Michelle. And not forgetting to compliment a police officer on the cross on her necklace to elicit advice from her about whether God is going to for give you. He’s just sooooo holy, isn’t he? What a pile of crap.
Your vitals weren’t terrified.
I don’t think that has come out yet, did I miss it?
of course he wouldn’t be there
if he hadn’t murdered TRAYVON
He is a nonce nobody.
don’t worry george, I know one bad guy who won’t get away
I can’t stand hearing that God’s Plan shizazz. The comfort is that Fogen invoked it and the plan will come.
Wouldn’t do anything differently. God’s plan.
Retrospect? No regrets.
No regrets…… God’s plan….
puke
chil224~ YES! THIS WILL NAIL THAT MORON!!
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does not regret it. oh my damn
I believe um he um er Trayvon heard me screaming for the police. Umm, the investigator told me um….
“You do remember that conversation?”
Which means your memory is not as bad as you claim.
He sat up….. LIE
Amazing Detail on the Hannity interview but tells cops I don’t know, I don’t remember.
If he did not think he hit him , why did he tell Police “I shot him”. he would have said ‘I think I shot him”
yeah he never said “he gave up and isn’t going to fight anymore so he is just laying motionless on the grass and wont dare to move anymore so it was safe for me to holster my gun and turn my back to him and walk away never looking back because he is now respecting my authority” did he….no he said “i shot him”
lord love a duck — you have a way with words, girl!
SHIMMIE SHIMMIE SHIMMIE TWOSTEP
Weres your mamma gone
were has TRAYVON
GONE
Far Far away
yeah, very quickly … 27 seconds to be precise according to phone records.
So Trayvon Martin was a skipping, contortionist thug? Is that what you are saying Porky?
“A godsend for the prosecution” – BDLR
Today is a very good day. Thanks to Hannity and his racist network, they are lending a hand to the prosecution with this incredibly stupid interview.
MOM should have never allowed his client to go on TV ….oh wait a minute, money trumps common sense and I betcha Hannity paid for it.
WTF Thee gun!
What investigators told him that Trayvon knew he was talking to the police?
SO now Trayvon also knew what other people were thinking and doing even though he couldn’t see or hear. Right.
malisha says
so they could both read each other’s thoughts, according to george, but could not avoid this ‘confrontation’???
lord, help me.
What store was he going to and what are the Sunday hours? What were the contents of his wallet that night when police took it? Enough $$ for a weeks worth of groceries? He is such a liar.
Exactly. I wish they’d bring that up.
he had NO credit cards and only 16 dollars
Where is that verified?
states evidence dump as to contents of clothing pockets
Unabogie- it’s evidence dump.
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S: Why would he tell you to shut up?
Fogen: I don’t know.
Just ’cause Pba-lack kids are so mean!
I can’t wait for the DNA testimony!
shimmy shimmy coco puff
the sanford shimmy? dance craze sweeping the nation!
“Curing, telling me to shut up”. But as Serino said, you can’t hear Trayvon on the 911 calls.
YOU CAN HEAR TRAYVON,HE’S THE ONE SCREAMING.
more than 12 hard punches head slams smothering an your gona die tonight mo fo.
Nothing can protected his head its GONE
impossible,no signs of concussion
Zimmerman is so creepy that his own shadow won’t even get near him.
george shimmyman
Ha! Shimmy shimmy y’all.
Winnah comment.
Wait I thought you feared for your life when he supposedly reached for the gun? Which one is it Fogen?
punched his head more than a dozen times……. such a liar!
i get the feeling that the jury is tired and ready to go home .
so THEY usually do their shopping on sunday night and all their cooking for the week, so why was he doing it alone this night and why wasnt shellie even home for dinner.
and had NO credit,or debit card JUST 16 dollars cash,for a week
has he told Hannity I don’t remember
MOM looks a little green he about to puke?
I wonder how much this explanation fits with other things he has heard. Like where I am I? He does look green and very subdued.
So you couldn’t remember where you just put your phone, even though you just got off the phone?
He reached into his pants pockets revealing his gun
I wonder of anyone on the jury might be thinking that even if it was self defense, what kind of guy goes on Hannity to give a blow by blow account. Most folks would be too distraught to talk about it and would probably be in therapy. Now when you consider that it was nothing remotely resembling self defense, what kind of guy goes on TV to talk about it? If he does not testify, will that not work against him? If I’m a juror, I’m thinking this guy is a clown. He can go on Sean Hannity, but he can’t take the stand? I just have a feeling that the prosecution is doing a lot better than some folks are giving them credit for.
Good points!
“If I’m a juror, I’m thinking this guy is a clown. He can go on Sean Hannity, but he can’t take the stand?”
BAM! Totally illogical to ‘bump your gums’ to everyone except the jurors who will determine your fate.
Stormwatch~ Especially with the Hannity interview providing yet ANOTHER version of that night’s events!
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Lies, lies, lies, lies.
SKIPPY told ya from QZ Skippy skippy skippy the bush kangaroo
Less than 30 seconds folks. Remember that?
Leave it to Fogen in the Hannity interview, Trayvon was tiptoeing through the tulips.
“I meant that I was going in the same direction as him and was keeping an eye on him. I did not mean I was pursuing him”.
I call bullshit.
Skipping! Ha! RJ get out of my head.
He was going away quickly…
simply breath taking
BUT NOT FROM FEAR.
Fogen can tell what others think.
He has X-ray thoughts.
That should come in handy when he’s in prison.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Going away quickly, LOLOLOLOL.
Hey, wanna go for a run…er, I’m sorry a “going away quickly” at the beach tomorrow?
Bad thug there. I mean damn you know they are dangerous when they skip away!!
fogen is creepy, weird, scary, sociopathic, I’d be terrified if he was “protecting” my neighborhood.Poor pets should be afraid of him, too.
anita~ TRUE about the pets! He’s been known to kick dogs!
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@tzar — come on baby, let’s skip!
weeeeeeeeee!!!!!
Skipping. “He wasn’t running out of fear.”
Ah he thought TRAYVON was from OZ
Wicked withch of DE SOUTH MASAH
Ah RAIN IM MELTING METING MELTING.
Yes, Zimmerman is melting fast,
I hope the skipping statement is not redacted.
The description of what Fogen found “suspicious” shows how delusional he was/is.
Collect there mail? So he was at the mailboxes like Rachel said.
I mean their mail.
Remember folks
George Zimmerman has never heard of SYG
remember people
I can’t wait to hear his teacher’s testimony.
Never heard of SYG…. LIE
Yep
Fogen loves to connect Trayvon to prior incidents.
IS THIS ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE JUST GOT IN??
are jury watching this?
it’s in
Weekly grocery shopping. Cooking for the week, lol. At 7 they grocery shop and then cook for the whole week.
yeah, nuts, huh? what time would they finish? 3 AM or so?
I’m gonna hold off on this one. My mom was handicapped when she lived in NJ and I lived in NY. I’d go out on Sunday and shop and do what I called a “cook-in” for the week — and that was before microwaves.
it’s exactly what i did in my 8th month of both pregnancies — prepared and froze 3 months of food, with instructions for finishing so the husband could tend to easily. i have a good idea how long such an operation would take 🙂
What dish tasted best after frozen for 3months?
chile, stuffed peppers and lasagne seemed to do the best, quiche was not bad. we had no complaints. it was something my grandmother taught me and i recommend it to most first time moms, along with making a contribution to get it started.
Don West said that GZ was going to Target to buy snacks to pack in his lunches for the week. I think he’s been lunching on far too many snacks.
@elcymoo/
To be clear, he shops Sunday nights for his week’s lunches.
He just polished off November 3, 2027.
why was he doing it alone this time i wonder,,,,shellie wasnt even home for dinner that night
I hope they keep the part where he says he wouldn’t do anything different.
Yep–no remorse.
I never watch FOX news. I’ll have to bail on this one.
I think it is juror abuse to make someone listen to Hannity. But it is necessary. He hangs himself – yet again.
I never watch it directly and didn’t watch this until it was posted in Axiom Amnesia.
Fogen thought he was a celebrity back then.
Here comes the Hannity interview, minus redactions
Here comes the skipping away, hopefully.
Interview with Sean H. love it!
thank you for this, fred. i think 2 threads is the way to go here!
They sure are spending a lot of money on nice suits for George.
I hope they are rental suits, other wise a lot of money is lost when he goes to prison, wrong suit for there!
Another redaction?
When a jury is sequestered in this day and age, do they take away there cell phones? Do people monitor their calls? And watch them use their phones? Or do we have to just take their word for it that they aren’t reading anything on the computer?
Just curious.
They could possibly just have the data cut off to their phones. I have no idea if they would do that though.
Hannity interview.
Back in session
1200 more signatures just in the last hour.
I just got back in, what is getting signatures?
Support for Rachael:
“Stand with Rachael Jeantel and Put Bullies on Notice”
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stand-with-rachel-jeantel?source=c.url&r_by=809438
Thank you!! I will be signing!!
Omg almost 20k sigs!!!
We love you Rachel! You are a might woman of God!
The west chicks can suck cones.
Wow!
Signed.
Good afternoon, everyone
SearchingMind.. thank you for that last post. I’m keeping the faith.
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Jo, here’s the video at the police staion with MO.
Notice sunglasses on his shirt….
Can one wear sunglasses without pain 24 hours after “breaking” their nose?
More proof of NO broken nose and, he looked like a real JACKASS with those band aids. this further shows us why he graduated at the bottom of his class. I think he was #315 out of 317 high school graduates.
Do you guys think he rode the short yellow school bus?
cheers for that breelee 😉
@ Unabogie
Re: importance of Osterman
Impeachment. Osterman has thus far – and without knowing it – helped Prosecutors in their quest to untangle “the web of lies” narrated by GZ. Osterman’s testimony is very significant in demonstrating that GZ relayed different stories to different parties regarding “what happened” all of which cannot be true at the same and are not consistent with physical evidence (I am still aghast that GZ’s best friend has been one of the best Prosecution witness so far!). Untangling GZ’s web of lies is just one of the important segments of the process to bring GZ down. Letter on, the cops who actually investigated the crime will be called to testify. That, among others, will be another segment of the chain of evidence. At a given point that chain (as in bicycle chain) will be complete and unbreakable. What I see prosecutors doing is painstakingly connecting that chain, piece by piece. Be patient. And have faith.
Okay, I guess I should calm down and just be patient. I think today was a very good day for the state.
I’m surprised that Osterman still has a job with the Marshals. He makes it look as if the Marshals accept bottom of the barrel applicants. Hope I never need them for the witness protection program. 🙂
@SearchingMind. Thank you for bringing a sensible understanding to this discussion. “Bit of evidence by bit of evidence.” That is what Corey said.
I missed this, but thank you for the response. I was actually shocked at how good Osterman was for the state’s case today. I thought I’d been following this case pretty well, but I missed all of the crap he told Osterman. When I listen to Zimmerman, it’s just so patently obvious he’s lying. He uses weasel words, he shifts what he’s claiming based on the questioner, he moves back and forth with material inconsistencies. I’ve known pathological liars and I think Zimmerman is one. I just can’t understand people who listen to that guy and think he sounds believable.
(looking at you, Serino, you useless fuck)
@Searching Mind.
Searcher, one REAL favor the Ostermans did for Zimmerman was make him lose 50 lbs. during George & Shellie’s stay there.
George has been making up for it ever since.
I missed the cross exam of Osterman, so i’m guessing George got the benefit of the doubt AGAIN???!!!!! he meant the hand was on the leather not the gun.
this trial is laughable, It would make for a good cartoon, Trayvon and George as Tom and Jerry in a head bashing scene.
I apologize for my imagination.
right. on the leather not the gun but there was no leather.
If Defense thinks jurors will feel Osterman’s testimony adequately subs in for Fogen’s, it better revisit the thought.
When was the deposition of the CC teacher scheduled when the defense didn’t show up?
Regarding that, you can bet that had it been the prosecution that did not show for a witness, MOM would have found a way to ensure the jury heard about it even if they were handling it outside of earshot of the jury.Just like West made sure they knew that fogen’s parents were not allowed in.
Agree
I believe it was the Tuesday of Jury selection or last Tuesday.
Betty, the defense did not show up because O’Mara and West did figure out the importance/relevance of his testimony until after it was all over. That testimony is a trial testimony as opposed to deposition testimony.
Trial testimony taken out of the courtroom? Whatever, when was it scheduled? Was it when West was having his “overcoming stupid celebration”? If trial testimony and the defense didn’t bother to show up for cross-examination, it would seem that they waived it. Maybe the judge will see it that way.
Yes, Betty. The trial testimony was taken out of courtroom and preserved for actual trial. The reason is that the witness in question will not be available during trial. I do not know when it was scheduled. But I do know that the scheduling was coordinated with the defense. As you rightly said, Mantei also stated that the defense by not showing up has waived the right to cross-examine. Nonetheless, the State is willing to make the witness available via Skype for cross if the defense would be ready for that tomorrow afternoon.
thanks for the clarification. So no one is present to referee the objections? lol guess that’s not needed when only one side shows up.
I’m looking at the pic of West and his offspring with the ice cream cones. It is very obvious that Mr. West took that picture. You can see his arm stretched out as he takes the pic. So he would have had to send the pic to someone else before it started making the rounds. That man is so internally and externally ugly. He could make an onion cry.
Unless, as someone – I’m sorry I don’t recall – said he could have used his daughter’s phone. Him, with the long arm of the law.
But, I agree that he should not be allowed to say One Word to Ms. Jeantel. Except, to offer a Huge Apology. In front of everyone. (Well, except the jury because they presumably won’t have seen the tweet.)
Shameful, and I hope he learns that, if he doesn’t know, and I hope the Judge schools him very stringently. He needs it and needs not to “chew” in court. He clearly does not understand “repulsive,” and that’s sad.
You’re right, Beverly. People like that make me just shake my head. I’m learning waaaay too much about the ugliness of folks during this trial.
(Guess I should climb out from under my rock once in a while.)
Funny, I feel that way as well, and I have not had a “protected” life. And W cannot blame his wayward daughters b/c he was the “head cheerleader.” Truly amazing…..I really have been sick watching part of this trial, such as the cruelty to R. and the dead, empty eyes of the defendant. Let alone the guy today…
You know Bev, I’ve had an interesting life, I’ve had several incarnations of roles and experiences, but one of the things I still believe is that God is Watching Us.
Now maybe you will understand why I hide under my rock so much? There are all kinds of frogs (toads?) out there ready to grab you!!
I do, I do, I do understand. Thanks. 🙂
I have tried pretty hard to minimize that point to view; we are all humans. But the criminal justice/LE system provides a very unfortunate set of facts/POV; tragic, but real.
Deborah~ Let’s look at the other side of that coin. You’ve met US, a fantastic cacophony of folks who are passionate about justice!
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I have met a very fine group of intelligent, creative thinkers and passionates for Justice her. Yay.
It just so happens that I have my laptop with me under my rock. I make myself get out and deal with the outside community, but get most of my news and socializing with others online.
Prolly TMI. Sorry.
Deborah~ You live in Houston? We can meet for lunch!
You bring YOUR laptop, I’ll bring MY laptop and we’ll discuss the case! 🙂
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I was just trying to see that what I’ve seen of many people and their actions or nonactions during this case makes me feel that I may be naive, if not hopeful.
“He could make an onion cry” — Stormwatch
Pealing with laughter, he’s such a peeling heel. 🙂
I know, I know that one is one for the ages. especially since it was directed at Pest. his daughters aren’t too far behind because, they are very hard on the eyes.
He claims it was daughter’s phone but he reached out and took the picture because he has the longest arms. STOOOOOPID!
Yesterday in the video of fogen I believe he said SheLie was in school to be an RN. Exactly how long had she been in school?
She told the court back in the first bond hearing that she was just days or weeks from graduating.
I think the real scoop is that she was in an online medical assisting program–and probably didn’t finish.
I think it was 2010 the last time she was enrolled.
lurker — this is absolutely the truth. i have researched this considerably.
shellie held no previous medical licenses. she attended an online university. although it is possible to obtain medical licenses from online classes, a person has to start that online education from the education level they currently possess. that is, an LPN/LVN can study online to get an RN, a CNA can study online to become an LPN/LVN, a novice must start off to get a CNA. also necessary to apply for a license is practical hands-on care performed under supervision.
therefore — the most shellie could be studying for would be a CNA and she had not completed the hands-on portion necessary.
bottom line: george is to cop as shellie is to nurse.
@disappointed. Good question. Another good question is how does a person become an RN through an online school?
faulous, xena!
BDLR is gett’in in his groove…
I think that bull Oliar pulled yesterday was a wakeup call.
I just was directed to this blog, and don’t have all the information you all have worked so hard to collect. I have a question that’s been bugging me. Z said Trayson slipped between the buildings (the dog path). MOM became almost vicious when W1 said she saw the tussle headed toward the T (from left to right). Is there any significance to that?
Happy~ Yes, becasue gz stated that the entire altercation began AT the T. Instead each witness has stated that it never got as far as the T. hence gz is LYING.
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Yes because if the “tussle” went from left to right, according to W1, that means, GZ walked down Twin Trees Land and cut Trayvon off as he was closer to his dads house than the T, then that would mean Trayvon ran or turned and walked back toward the T, in order to get away from Z, to get to where his body was located.
Thank you. I was hoping you all would have had a theory for this already.
because the state entered into evidence the clip of gz trolling the mail kiosk, i suspect they know about the sequence of events but I wish they would get to it sooner
Does such a clip really exist?
Yes – the timing may be in question but only by a small margin. It’s the only car in the area around the time the NEN call was placed.
Hmmmm…very interesting.
There is even a video of the clubhouse, where you can see his mug for a short second but, it’s him lurking around and, that’s what matters. it’s further proof of him stalking a 17 YR old kid before he killed him.
I don’t agree that he walked around the clubhouse, or that his face is ever seen. I endorse whonoze’s video and the conclusions it makes.
@willisnewton. I looked at that video again last night. Like you, I wish the State would hurry up and bring on the expert to testify to what the videos evidence.
When I watched last night and compared to GZ’s NEN call, when the car passes the mail boxes is when GZ said “He has a button on his shirt. And he’s black.” That indicates that GZ drove ahead of Trayvon to see him face-forward.
Had GZ seen Trayvon standing in front of Taaffe’s before he made the call, that button and his race would not have been up to question.
Actually GZ says this as TM approached his car, which was parked where GZ marked it on the map he drew for SIngleton, right by the mail kiosk, FACING the mail kiosk form the first bend in TTL. There is a streetlight on that corner that TM would have passed thru the beam of.
GZ worked hard to omit and obscure this, and scratched out this position almost as soon as he marked it on SInglton’s map. It proves he chased the teen with his car, causing the teen to run and demonstrating he was the agressor from before the time he exited his car.
As far as the State’s motion concerning West and spawn it concerns me because Rachel will be back. I think now it is inappropriate for West to questions her, period. His spawn degraded this poor girl. jmo
I agree.
@disappointed
That’s why 3ChicsPolitico began screaming loudly
The Zimmerman defense shouldn’t be allowed to put Rachel Jeantel back on the stand
Can I comment there too? It should concern everyone. It seems like a bias or something. Not sure what word I need to describe my thought but dang it, it should be illegal to intimidate witness. That’s it. I feel like he has intimidated her.
Since Rachel is subject to recall, I believe she is forbidden to talk to anyone about the case. Is she allowed to watch the case? I think not but it’s honor system. Right?
true but it is obvious how west feels about her. and so does the court now. you do not have to like the girl it about respecting the system. this is not respect.
Excellent description.
Particularly when the defense has put so much emphasis on the use of social media.
and just because she is suppose to come back does not mean she will not hear anything. She is not suppose to seek it out. What if she is listening to the radio and it comes up before she can change the station. She has now heard whether she meant to or not.
Of course you can comment. We just want to bring attention to what West did. I feel it’s clear intimidation where she’ll become discouraged and fearful and give in to West’s scary tactics. West disrespects the judge and pretty much ignores the judge’s decision and argues with her. He needs off the case!
Thank you! I will book mark it and check it often.
YVW!
@SG2, I’ve already commented on your site as to how I feel about this Pest questioning this kid again. it’s not right seeing how he dissed her on the stand and, the judge should not allow him to question her again.
She told the court what she heard and, he should not be given even more of a chance to put words in this girls mouth. Pest is the most disgusting excuse for a human being, that I have ever seen. of course O’dirty is a close second with Fogen taking honorable mention over the entire lot of them.
As for the daughters of Pest, they are some ugly old looking things and, they have no class or morals at all. I’m not kidding, these girls look older than their stated age.
The Defense was building there case for a week,it took Osterman 45min. to wipe all of it away my man Osterman want be eating at the treehouse no time soon.
Huh?
The Defense know that Osterman have really hurt there case.
I missed most of Osterfool could you explain?
Osterman gave the juror another differrent statement from fogen the juror know something is not adding up.
They probably think he did great.
Yeah, Lisa bloom was gushing over his testimony . I think she hasn’t looked at the trial
Is anyone else getting Mouse Hand?
My right hand, fingers and wrist were sore last night.
I read prit near all the comments yesterday, and that’s a lot of refreshes?
Fortunately, I have a very comfortable chair, so all y’all won’t have to hear me complain about my butt. 🙂
I stretch my fingers flat on a laptop, thank goodness. But I’m getting a muffin top and broad butt from so much sitting to follow this case for the past 18 months! : /
sit on exercise ball. Deborah you need to do hand stretches daily. 🙂
Not from typing. From my mouse.
I don’t think my back could take an exercise ball all day.
But, thanks, friends.
I’ll practice stretching my right hand intermittently.
Exercise ball was for two sides. I only recommended hand stretches for you! LOL I needed to do both because I noticed hand hurting and bigger behind. ;/
Deborah, I’ve been using a mouse pad wirh a gel filled wrist support for many years. It really helps and is well worth the money.
I’ve got one in storage that I used to sit on for a desk chair. I still sit so much I don’t think it would help. Need more vigorous exercise when Fogen goes to jail! Way beyond the exercise ball. Hours of running on the beach, I hope!
If it’s a blueberry muffing top, that’s okay. 🙂
Sounds racist to me LOL
It’s a pasty white muffin top, sadly. No berries. Maybe some cottage cheese, EW!
I have a mouse now with a wheel that scrolls really quickly.
Last summer I only used the pad that was inset into my computer to scroll. It was new for me to be scrolling and reading on the computer.
A couple of times I absentmindedly licked my finger (as if to turn a book page) before touching the pad to scroll. 🙂
Deborah Moore:
I use a roller ball mouse but if you don’t have one use the up and down arrow keys.
Here’s a photo of the roller ball I use. They are also called tracking balls.
Thank you, Fred.
This is an amazing experience.
For sure!
i was wondering if they will introduce the time line of trayvon
Hmmm, how do I follow myself?
Walk around in circles looking at your butt?
HA HA!!
u funny! 🙂
ughhh, I could respond to that, but because I don’t want to be murdered by internet forces, I will simply grin! 🙂
haha!
Ah, good, new thread.
Article on the West ice cream motion, with link to motion included:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/state-files-motion-over-zimmerman-defense-attorney-daughters-celebration-cones/-/1637132/20802368/-/9e7f34/-/index.html
Looks like the chickens will now come home to roost! MOM/West have pulled too much nonsense on the court with their frivolous motions and whining about BDLR so it is there time in the hot seat! Perhaps the evil spawn of West will suddenly realize that they have done wrong by following in their fathers footsteps, but I doubt it!!!
YOu beat me to it! I’m so glad the prosecution filed.
States’ Motion pdf:
Click to access Doc-7-2-13–1134-AM-pdf.pdf
wow Rachael endured approximately 7hrs of deposition and then nearly 8 hours of west on the stand.
that is a lot for an adult let alone a 19year old. i would not have been able to resist snatching him in the box with one good slap he’d be spitting chew juice out his damn ears. then ask his narraw butt can you hear now?
Good! I went there and left a few comments.
Thanks for posting. This cone-licker stunt truly disgusting and worthy of sanctions, although I’m doubtful it’s within JN’s domain.
Maybe Florida defense bar can haul West in for a tutorial on decorum.
They have no dignity…no respect for the court.
West is such a jerk.
Daddy’s precious princess posted it after Mighty Rachel was on the stand.
good afternoon
Greetings!
Isn’t it a beautiful day in the neighbors hood?
Hellooo!
🙂
crazy~ Oh yes! My neighbor’s hood will soon be a gated community!
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Hopefully the Fogdoit will be living in a gated community shortly as well? I think I will fence off the gates on my property, that way I will be totally enclosed by a six foot high chain link fence! I’m not sure if that is to protect me from them or to protect them from me?
Finally back on line again. whew.