Welcome to the third day of the Zimmerman trial

Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Good morning:

Welcome to the third day of trial in State v. Zimmerman.

Judge Nelson may issue a ruling regarding the admissibility of GZ’s 911 calls.

Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbcnews.com/52117880/

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2,433 Responses to Welcome to the third day of the Zimmerman trial

  1. mountainmanpat says:
    June 27, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Following….rather far behind…

    Mornin’ folks………

    HOODIES UP

    JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON

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  2. ic2fools says:
    June 27, 2013 at 3:37 am

    Here is a teacher working in the South Florida School System with Hatian American students!!!! Born in Haiti herself please watch:

    Rachael is doing great! I am quite sure she speaks much like her parents at home she would have too.

    West is lucky he doesn’t get told off in Haitian Creole. Rachael you are smarter than most are giving you credit. Its’ the language she takes her time making sure it is understood.

    Keep up the good work Rachael!!!!

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  3. kllypyn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    I like her because like me she speaks her mind. And people who speak there minds are generally truthful. i didn’t almost get fired last year for nothing.

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  4. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    I love how, with or without a mental handicap, Rachel was able to discern that West was being a dick who was trying to trip her up, and she managed to point that out. I loved it!

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  5. Ty Flair says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    It was very upsetting to read some of these comments on this thread saying DD may have a learning problem or she may be slow. I wonder if any of you could walk in her shoes after your friend was murder this kid is scare to death she just want to go home. Just because she don’t answer question the way you want her to answer them does not make her slow or have a learning problem. The way she speak does not make her slow or having a learning problem. I have a problem with writing mis spelling words I see alot of people her that writes perfect does that make me slow or have a learning problem I don’t think so. Just remember DD is on our side,she may be reading this blogg and to see people saying she is slow or have a learning is wrong,remember she is also a victim in this.

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm

      I agree with everything you say.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm

      I have a fairly close young relative (about Rachel’s age) with an autism spectrum disorder. As groans said above, it just is what it is. Special needs kids are no worse or better than “normal” folk. There’s nothing “wrong” with them. They warrant neither derision nor pity, just the respect due any human being.

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:17 pm

        Exactly. I am exposed to a lot of at risk youth, many of which have delays due to trauma. I have delays in areas. I have kids with emotional and cognitive issues. It is just how we were made in this life. No disrespect, no “looking down”, we are all with her.

        I think she is child like and youthful. She acts like a high school student through and through. My point is she should not have the expectation laid on her that is above her abilities, whether those are delayed or not. She, as just completing her Jr HS year, is paired with a law school graduate in mid career. She should have someone looking out for her best interest and abilities in court.

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      • MichelleO says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:18 pm

        I don’t see a “special needs” person. I see a 19-year-old inarticulate kid, that is perhaps, scared out of her wits. Imagine being a punching bag to a bunch of racists for over a year, and being forced to do something she really does not want to do: come face to face with her friend’s killer and go live all around the world. She’s nervous and she’s afraid. She’s afraid to talk, which is why she’s slurring her words.

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      • Ty Flair says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:34 pm

        @whonoze have you ever call your fairly close young relative with a autism spectrum disorder A BLACK FEMALE FOREST GUMP. Those was your words you call DD. Don’t play mind games with me Sir.

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm

      Saying some one might have a learning problem or be slow is not an insult. It’s an observation. I support Rachel 100 percent.

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      • MichelleO says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:20 pm

        She reminds me of a very scared person. She’s only 19, so she still have the propensity to mumble when she is shy or afraid. I see Rachel as a firecracker: she’ll stand up for herself in a minute. Many people have had to repeat school; with the hellish year she’s had, I doubt very much that she’s been able to concentrate at all—especially with a blog full of racists gunning for her. This is the person who is really afraid in this scenario: Not the fogans’.

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      • Judy75201 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm

        @Michelle, she clearly is traumatized by the murder of Trayvon, and wants to be as far away from this as possible. I do not blame her.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:09 pm

        Same here. It was an observation, nothing more.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        I support Rachel 100 percent.

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    • racerrodig says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:23 pm

      Many adults are scared of lawyers and the court. I’ve seen that many times before. This is a kid for all intents and purposes. I think she did a pretty good job all things considered.

      If we want to see stupid on the stand, wait for Fogen, Taaffe, Osterman, SheLie, Papa Z, Mama Z and Robbie the racist.

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      • MichelleO says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm

        Bwahahahaha!

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      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm

        I am so sick of seeing Taafe on HLN advocating for his friend. A couple of things I picked up about him is that he has a temper and he is disrespectful to women.

        I agree with that Psychologist today that was on Nancy Grace show tonight about Zimmerman. I don’t see that meek personality that the defense is trying to tack on to GZ. I see someone who has no remorse and not wrapped too tight with those beady eyes of his and blank stare. You can see the guilt written all over his face when the witnesses are testifying.

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    • kllypyn says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      She’s not slow nor does she have a learning disability she’s just not well spoken. a lot of people don’t speak to well in front of an audiance

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      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm

        I agree with you. To me, she seemed more like she’s traumatized to me. It was painful for her having to review her friend’s death, she wants to escape from it all and heal. She’s still grieving. I pray that she does not have a nervous breakdown.

        She’s tongue tied with a creole accent and is soft-spoken so she sounds inarticulate.

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      • esentrick says:
        June 27, 2013 at 1:04 am

        I agree kllypyn. I don’t think people considered her cultural background, so they are placing a stigma on her. I really pray for her well being and safety. I thought her testimony was soo compelling and raw. She was great witness for the prosecution and if IIRC, isnt there a juror who is Dominican? I really believe that Juror may help other Jurors understand the Dominican/Haiti culture which I think is the reason BDLR asked her background for the record.

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      • ic2fools says:
        June 27, 2013 at 3:17 am

        @esentrick and kllypn

        I agree with you both.

        She’s not slow nor does have a learning disability she’s just not well spoken.

        I donā€™t think people considered her cultural background, so they are placing a stigma on her. I really pray for her well being and safety.

        Rachel is beautiful strong young teenage lady.and did very well.

        Possibly due to her cultural background, could be why it was harder for her in school than other children born of American English speaking parents. Rachael parents would have a strong Hatian Donimcian dialect.

        Rachel mother is Hatian and father Domincian, and even though Rachel is raised in Miami her home culture is Haitian Domincian. Her parents were not raised in the States, their schools taught English as second language.and do not speak English like we do here in the States.

        Those who are interest here is information on Rachael and her parents culture:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic

        I pray for Rachael to be safe and stay strong. Rachael may have a different religious background. I don’t know which religious background her parents have raised her by and hope our prayers are accepted.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 27, 2013 at 8:39 am

          Ic2fools- it’s funny how we all “see” the same young lady and yet all “see” different things! I stated my opinion based on my personal experience. She was born in Miami so she has been in this culture since birth. My experience with 1st generation Americans is that they usually adapt culturally and linguistically by 4th grade. Those that don’t have additional issues other than language. But honestly, that is neither here nor there. Dee Dee is doing well. I’m sure the jurors are more concerned about her testimony than her background. Thanks for the link. I’m going to read it later.

          FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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      • ic2fools says:
        June 27, 2013 at 9:13 am

        @cielo62

        I believe because of her culture English in school is not as easy for her, we never know what her personal reasons are for being in the 12th grade.

        I was just in the Florida area this May. In a sub division that is majority Hatian residents. They will speak pure creole/haitian and I would hear all english then right back to creole/haitian. Speaking both languages at the same time, yet when you hear english the dialet is mixed.

        cielo62, my 19 year old son just began watching, when he saw her and heard her speak my son immediately asked ‘mom is she haitian?’ and i answered yes and kept looking at the trial.

        all of a sudden my son started clucking and quacking, i turned and looked and asked what the heck? my son said ‘mom don’t nobody mess with haitains, darn ole man gonna start acting like a chicken-duck. he better leave that girl alone. he just don’t know, hahahahahaa!!!

        i’m sorry but i busted out laughling at west.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 27, 2013 at 9:51 am

          Ic2fools/ LOL! Well THAT attitude is clear, no matter where she’s from!!

          FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:10 am

            OMG!!!! West is a shame he put up the MAP, he just messed up, that is harassing Rachael making her look at where her BFF was murdered.

            Seriously, west will have her up on THAT STAND until next week if he could. West refuse to admit he is going nowhere.

            Damn man if he ain’t got his job done after 3hrs it will never get done.

            West repeats her answers is because he has no direction without it.

            JACKASS!!!! WEST IS A JACKASS!!!

          • cielo62 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:23 am

            Ic2fools- YES A MAJOR JACKASS!!

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          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:29 am

            Alright! Wow, poor child has been on that stand for
            5 HOURS!!!

            I pray her blood pressure don’t make her sick. This is just down right wrong.

            Her testimony is putting Fogen on the Stand, where he needs to be.

          • cielo62 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:32 am

            Ic2fools- yep! Only GZ can introduce self defense. He’s sunk anyway.

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          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:13 am

            cielo62 I knew West was going to snap!!! I knew he was going start yelling at her!

            Wait for it he will do to her what he did to Owen!

          • cielo62 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:24 am

            Ic2fools- LOL! Damn I’m at tha car shop!! I have GOT to see the video later tonight!!

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          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:33 am

            Okay, I wonder did Defense make the transcript of the taped to be played that Racheal says is transcribed WRONG!!!

            Rachael says in her depo she said “SHE COULD HEARD’ west is saying ‘she could not hear Trayvon’

            ooo they west is getting mad.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:36 am

            at the bench cielo62, bernie just objected from that taped being played again.

            she said i coulda hear Trayvon, means I could hear Trayvon. its her dialet adding the a at the end!!!!

            damn west jackass!!!!

            still at the bench, i think JN will allow it. cherrypick or not the brunt is she did hear she said she heard him.

            fuck west.

          • cielo62 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:40 am

            Ic2fools- yep! And he’s a jackass for deliberately mis stating her words! I understood it!!

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          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:51 am

            mmmmmhhh! back on playing the tape of her answer.

            bottom line she said she heard Trayvon!!! West is cherry picking now her words talking about what she could hear

            again again again get off get off get off, he has made the States’ case, it is Trayvons’ voice.

          • cielo62 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:56 am

            Ic2fools- thank you for the play by play. It’s poetic that West is only reinforcing who is being attacked.

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:03 am

            west is trying to get he to describe the sound of wet grass!

            i mean he is really picking ever word every movement her and Trayvon made!

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:04 am

            all he is doing right now is firmly placing fogen in the wrong.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:05 am

            looks like she is ready to start crying.

            for LORD SAKES over 5 hours now, i would be crying for him to stop!

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:06 am

            JN just told west that was the last time to ask that question.

            after asking the same question for over 15mins, JN has stopped him repeatedly from doing the same on each question

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:12 am

            whoa Bernie objected to West saying her knowing Trayon assulted fogen.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:13 am

            objection compounded question, badgering witness, JN let her answer.

            she won’t budge from her same answer.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:13 am

            objection argumentavie mistatement of facts JN sustained.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:14 am

            objection compund question sustained.

            west asked to approach bench, JN said no, ask your question

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:15 am

            bernie objected argumentative sustained.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:20 am

            west is an asss, he is trying to put words in her mouth and assume what Trayvon may have done,

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:22 am

            west wow, damn

            even bill shaeffer said west needs to sit down,

            they are at the bench.

          • ic2fools says:
            June 27, 2013 at 10:41 am

            @cielo62

            west threw his pin down!

            let me know when you leave the car shop i;ll try to keep you informed.

      • dianetrotter says:
        June 27, 2013 at 9:31 am

        That’s what I began to think after she talked for a while. I have many students who talk like her.

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    • vickie s. votaw says:
      June 27, 2013 at 3:27 am

      Ty, my son has a learning disability, it has to do with his ability to translate his thoughts into writing, he can articulate an answer verbally but it is very hard for him to translate them to written form. Many people that have strokes have the same problem. My son is very intelligent, he just is not good at writing things out, people need to stop comparing people to each other and learn to accept each person for what they are. Brains are just beginning to be studied seriously, we do not really know much about our species, so how can we judge what or who is intelligent. I totally loved Rachael’s testimony & her. Hey, look at Temple Granden. What a genius! IMHO šŸ™‚

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  6. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    New post up:

    Prosecution crushes defense during third day of Zimmerman trial

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  7. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    oh also — nice try sloppy hacker on my yahoo mail acct. better luck next time, eh?

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:41 pm

      @faux:

      Please see my query a few posts upthread. Do you have the answer in your notes?

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm

        will look — i have not been keeping the best notes of testimony. if you notice my comments are scant during trial because i am very focused on it. but will do what i can.

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    • Deborah Moore says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      I also talked to my On The Spectrum son what he thought of Rachel’s testimony. He only saw the prosecutions questions because he had to leave for summer school. I told him my version of the defense’s questioning.
      He said that he would have also been very Uncomfortable to read aloud a document.
      Just adding my 2 cents.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      faux mccoy~ you, too? Yeah, I changed my password and set up other barriers.

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  8. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    I am sick that so many people have little respect for our youth. They degrade Trayvon. In my heart I believe it is because of his skin color. Yet treat Fogen as a stellar member of society. A known aggressive man, animal abuser, possible molester, assaulted an Officer, lied about school, did not pay bills, lied about finances, passport oh I could go on.
    Oh and then to be loving on MOM for doing his job, Jodi Arias’s attorney did his job too, but they hated him. He trashed the victim in that case and they hated him for it. No damn different except the color of Trayvon’s skin.
    I feel better now. Sorry for the rant.

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  9. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    I was going to go outside to say a prayer for my cousin, thinking about him and my thoughts shifted to Dee Dee like *POW* hit me upside my head… I said wth was that….. it took me to the recorded videos I did today… so I looked at them… the first part… where BDLR was questioning Dee Dee… how sincere she was… telling her step by step on the phone with Trayvon…she had us all in tears even Judge Nelson… then Recess. When she came back it was Don’s Turn. Her mood changed… She did a 180 degree turn, my question to all of you. I am going to type this in caps not to tell yell but to seriously ask this… COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE FROM THE COURT ROOM SUCH AS TAAFFE, OR SUCH THREATENED, COERCED, INTIMIDATE DEE DEE TO BECOME A HOSTILE WITNESS? Call me Crazy or was this my Creole blood or was this God giving me direction because of my grief for my cousin. I was shaking so bad after this.

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    • smokeegyrl says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      During the 15 minute recess? and it also took her long to come back from the 2nd recess… something is not right here.

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      smokeegyrl- I honestly think West and Mom have her scared. They defend the killer of her long time friend. They are associated with a blog that has tried to out her for over a year. Like it or not this girl whether some consider her a woman or not is still in high school. She is not in court every day. She did not want involved with this case. Not because she did not love her friend but imagine the guilt she must feel. I would guess and other smarter people here will correct me but I think it’s like survivor guilt. Last person to talk to an alive Trayvon. She thought his dad would come to his rescue. She did not know his dad was not home. She thought Trayvon would be okay. jmo

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      • smokeegyrl says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:13 pm

        you are probably.. right… I’m just probably not having such a good day… I know I’m not having a good day.. *sigh*

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 10:14 pm

          smokeegyrl~ time to get your support structure in place; family, friends, dogs, cats, teddy bears… whatever it takes. My prayers are with you.

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    • aussie says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm

      NO NO NO

      RELAX.

      “Hostile witness” means a witness called by one side (any side) who starts giving evidence that is BAD for that side. Everything Rachel has said is GOOD for the prosecution.

      Taking a hostile/aggressive attitude to the idiot cross-examining her does not make her a hostile witness. In this case, it just means she’s fed up with the BS attempts to trip her up and the constant repetitions of the same questions. “ARE YOU LISTENING????” she keeps saying to West.

      The change in her attitude was just because of the change in how she was being treated. BDLR treated her with respect. West did not.

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    • Girlp says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm

      Sorry for your loss and I think what it was is that West was badgering her and she wasn’t going to take it…one thing is clear to me is that she was not coached no one is going to tell her what to do what to say and how to say it and she tells it straight. Hope the jury see’s it too. Needs to be or needed to be coached on courtroom behavior. However, she has been through a lot and I think she had enough of West and the entire court system,

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:54 pm

      That’s absurd. And you are using buzz words like “Creole”, and you are attempting to discredit Rachel. Is your cousin fogen?

      And please don’t do the “I’m so emotional I made a mistake” crap.

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  10. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Since when do meek & mild people turn off there mothers electricity, since when do they assault police officers.

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  11. Sabrina B. says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Remember when Fogen was talking with the female officer, he said something about a command presence. The first witness said it was an authoritative voice. Now the defense is trying to claim meek and mild? We know that this is simply not Fogen’s personality.

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    • elcymoo says:
      June 27, 2013 at 5:03 am

      When GZ was talking to Detective Singleton, he asked her if she’d ever had to shoot someone, and when she said no, he said it was probably because of her stern manner (I’m not sure if he said ‘look’, ‘manner’ or ‘demeanor’), and that probably no one would question her authority.

      I believe that GZ does present a meek attitude when he’s dealing with authority figures, probably a carry-over from learning to cope with one or more abusive parents, but that he tries to assert his own authority over people he deems weaker than himself.

      He has a passive-aggressive problem, but that’s not all that’s skewed about him.

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  12. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    No, parents where we are from always go back home. We here in Miami live in small communities each community takes care of each other trust that she has family even if their not blood. What the world needs to understand is that living in the inner city differs from living any other area in this country. We are different, we speak differently, we respond differently to situations. When Mr. West turned his back on her while she was giving her answer that was a sign of disrespect where we come from. That’s why she asked him is he listening, that’s why she respond to him like she do he had been disrespectful in he eye probably even before the trial & she don’t like him.

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  13. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    HLN keeps cutting Taaffe off and going to commercial. LMAO.
    He’s not saying anything new, and just like a regular crackhouser, anytime someone states a fact he can’t refute or spin, he falls back on Trayvon should have run home…

    They need to go have a an arena full of seats. I’m about sick of all their tired a$$es.

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  14. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    I have this bad feeling that when Rachel said her mother was out of country, I think Rachel was left her to finish school alone and maybe fend for herself. I think she was embarrassed she lived with no parents and be in school so she lied about her age. I suspect she was in a closet because maybe she lived with several other people and needed privacy.I don’t think she is well supported by adults overall.

    I swear, those CTH nuts better leave her alone. They could make her life hell.

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  15. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I remember one of the PJ’s was involved in Autism Speaks. I forget which though, and don’t know whether she made the jury. Anyone (faux?) know?

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    • fauxmccoy says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm

      will check and get back to you. that particular one said she did a lot of volunteer work, but i don’t think she’s on the jury – will confirm as i’m able to go through notes. will say on a personal level that any mother with any experience with a learning disability, developmental disability etc. would likely not have an issue with ms. jeantel’s presentation.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      I could detect a faint aura of asperger’s in Rachel. Perhaps.

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  16. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I watch and listen while lawyers say Dee Dee was awful. What most don’t understand is that the jury is not made up of lawyers. They are regular people. The things that lawyers pick apart jurors do not spend that much time on. ” she lied about her age, she lied about why she didn’t go to the wake. Smdh! Get real point out that she lied in her statement of what she heard that night.

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  17. Dennis says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Frank Taaffe is being roasted by Nancy Grace right now. He repeated the bullshit regarding Fogen leaving the vehicle to get an address. We all know he could have seen the addresses from inside the car. No reason to leave the car and jeopardize your safety, UNLESS you are going to hunt the person down. I’m surprised this loser didn’t kill himself after his son tragically died. They should probably give him a breathalyser before the interview to make sure he isn’t hopped up on booze. This guy is a lying racist scumbag and it makes me sick to be white when I see pieces of crap like this.

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm

      OMG, he just brought up a marijuana baggy and burglary tools. This guy is pure scum.

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:34 pm

      Taaffe has no idea what he is talking about! He says, why Trayvon go inside his house. The answer is simple, his brother was playing video games with headphones on. Did Trayvon have an apartment key on him? No.

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:51 pm

        Also, there was no requirement for him to go inside. He had every right to walk and talk to a girl.

        GZ surely did not stay “inside” his car. Why didn’t GZ stay in his car? Why didn’t he immediately go back to the car? Why did he feel the need to chase and stalk a kid?

        Taaffe is a fool.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

      I’ll have to catch it later tonight. But I hate to get sick to my stomach right before bed….

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      • Dennis says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:30 pm

        Nancy Grace has heard enough evidence to know that Fogen is guilty. She was almost crying yesterday or the day before in sympathy for Trayvon’s parents. Nancy might be off her rocker sometimes and jumps to conclusions, but she is definitely a caring person.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:59 pm

      Oops, posted without refreshing first – my bad.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:16 pm

      He wouldn’t commit suicide after his son died because that was the son who publicly repudiated his father and called him an abuser and a liar. The remaining child is a daughter who has a restraining order out against Taaffe. He’s an old lonely drunk whose only solace is in hating people he convinces himself are naturally INFERIOR to him; the only way he can grant himself any self-respect at all. No rational person would share it.

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      • Dennis says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:30 pm

        Well I guess we can all hope for alcohol poisoning. Alcoholics usually have problems with mental illness and depression so maybe he will off himself soon.

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    • Soulcatcher says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      Why would someone walk all that way to get an address they thought they could use (when NEN never asked for one) so he could tell an officer to meet him where he was not going to be. Or was he headed back to his shruck so he could then drive to meet the officer at the address he was going to provide them with. Or never mind about the address, just tell them to go straight thru the gate turn left and you’ll see my honda ridgeline. Or can you have them call me and i’ll let them know where I’m at. (Cause Nen asked me if I still wanted to meet with an officer, and I said yes).

      Taaffe still hitten the bottle I see, sway your drunk ass on home, cause if you believe that address bullshit, sumptins wrong with you. Did you appologize to your good friend yet for throwing him under to bus yet?

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  18. HereslookingatYou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    If credibility is the issue..
    Zimmerman is FUBAR

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  19. HereslookingatYou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    simply play zimmerman’s exemplar sounds nothing like the screams

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  20. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    professor do you think that the prosecutor will play Trayvon voice. I truly believe that the jury needs to hear the pitch of his voice

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  21. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    What’s up with the HLN Jeanne Casaris person covering the trial from Florida. She is constantly disregarding everyhting the witnesses say that contradicts fogen’s story and solely focuses on spinning whatever can be said to “help” the prosecution.

    I’m so glad the jury is sequestered.

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  22. Booker T says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Longtime lurker, first time poster: I’m disappointed that a trial designed to bring attention to the evils of racial profiling has had the unintended effect of highlighting some of the most unflattering aspects of our culture – passive indifference (Rachel doesn’t call anyone after the phone disconnects, “just a fight, nothing serious”, Chad never alerts anyone to TM not coming home, like he’s accustomed to him staying out all night doing God knows what, and Bahoodor doesn’t call the police after she witnesses a fight in her backyard), intentional ignorance and lack of social decorum (Rachel’s entire testimony/demeanor – she doesn’t have a disability of any kind. If anything, she’s been handicapped by a culture that does not value education or anything that could be remotely construed as “acting white”), and the revelations that TM called GZ “a creepy ass cracker” and a “nigga”. The State’s trying to convince 6 jurors that GZ is a racial profiler that killed TM with ill, but the evidence, thus far, shows a culture where racial slurs are common and encouraged, indifference to violence is accepted, family members stay out all night without anyone noticing, and a teenager’s willful decision not to educate herself results in no less than 10 incidents of the court reporter having to stop the proceedings to interpret her “dialect”. This is a culture in absolute decay.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm

      Booker T~ The last time I checked, this is a MURDER trial, and NOT a sociological study on subcultures in Florida. Dee Dee’s attitude is very prevalent in many big cities. I can assure you here in Houston people DO NOT get involved, do NOT call the cops (unless you want someone killed for you), do NOT have Oxford English (or even any English at all), there are many slang terms used in the dozens of subcultures HERE and NONE OF IT MATTERS! Dee Dee did what she needed to do; she spoke her truth in HER words and that truth will send a murderer to prison!

      ________________________________

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:12 pm

      “a teenager’s willful decision not to educate herself…”

      Hmm. You got a lot of evidence out of something. Where was that evidence dump you’re referring to? Do you have Rachel’s school records? Some forensic educational consultant’s report after a detailed psychosocial? Do tell?

      Oh nevermind. Just critique everyone. We will naturally assume that you are the proper authority to pass judgment on everybody in the case because you obviously must be better than them if you can point out all their faults … oh …

      Hey wait a minute. Isn’t that how Fogen got to be better than everyone else? By pointing out THEIR faults?

      Oh I seeeeeeee…

      Quite a little system, huh?

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  23. HereslookingatYou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    question to anyone..
    if omara calls back the records keeper of calls and he goes on to say his client is just a good citizen caring and concerned,
    does that open the door for bad behavior?

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  24. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 4

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  25. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel)

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    • MichelleO says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      This is the first time I’ve ever seen fogen pleased: during the Asian ladies testimony where she mixes Trayvon’s age at death with the younger photos of him in the media.

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  26. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 2

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  27. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Y’all GOTTA stop and enjoy this Daily Show clip! We deserve it after this afternoon.

    Trust me – you’ll LOVE it!!

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-25-2013/presumed-guiltocent

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  28. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 1

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  29. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    DeeDee has my support. Spread the word and pray for her to have strength tomorrow.

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  30. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Went to work, came back home. What did I miss? Only the most riveting testimony yet… SMH.

    When I relate to how intense things are going on, I 100% understand DeeDee. Truth is.. all we have is the here and now and that’s all what matters. Not yesterday’s depos, not what FB page you “liked”, not Twitter. The truth and nothing but the whole truth was on the stand. That’s what matters.

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      Your comment is very well stated and straight to the point. no matter how this defense tries to use their slight of hand, those witnesses told the only thing that they knew to tell and, that was the truth about what happened on 02/26/12 and, nothing the defense can do or say, can change that.

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  31. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    If the defense want to impeach someone they better hope the prosecution do not call Taaffe to the stand. That bigot can’t stay off HLN and each chance he get he tell that head bashing on the concrete story.

    I hope the prosecution call him and nail his tail to the wall.

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    • IMBack says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:42 pm

      Should he even be talking about the case if he is a witness?

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm

        If he is called as a witness to the stand he probably can be impeached b/c he has been talking so much (all lies) and will not remember everything he has said.

        If he is on a witness list he should not be giving interviews on behalf of Fogen.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm

        Well how can HE be a witness if HE is biased? I think he probably sways too much!

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    • racerrodig says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      And Taaffe has gone from “..my window was open and Fogen called me” to “My house was in the process of being broken into”

      He’s also stated it’s a fact Fogen’s nose was broken.

      Note to Frank “The Racist Tank” Taaffe : You’re a lying piece of shit.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:00 pm

        He said Fogen stopped the burglary of his house. What burglary? Oh, an intended burglary? By whom? By a suspicious guy who got away. Hmmmmm….

        He already had to deny saying that the cut-through was used by kids all the time, “including Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down low.” He’s sure to deny saying things that are already on record. But so what? If you plant corn, you GET corn.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:42 pm

        racer~ just a NOTE to Taafe? Why not an entire fukin’ book?

        ________________________________

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  32. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    I hope Rachal doesnt talk about her testimony because I know he judge will ask.

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  33. Danita says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I agree with many for different reasons, how ever she needs coaching.She needs to remain calm sit up and not be so defensive, because she needs to be able to answer the questions after their stated not before the questions finished. I no the parents of Trayvon are sick right now because she is a big part of the case. She should only answer whats asked. The main problem with her is that she obviously lacks proper articulation. She speaks from a place of neighborhood communication and hasn’t been trained in the proper places. Its a problem many children have when parents are not completely responsible for their children’s education. She did not just get this way. I mean no disrespect at all, she’s just not educated.But I believe she is raw in her statements because she doesnt no any better. Her story was compelling because i believe she was speaking the truth from the only place of the story from the place she comes from. But coaching should have been in place for the girl from,they knew she needed to testify.

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    • boyd says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm

      everyone is tired of west , it took a learning disability child to finally say what we’ve all seen for months.

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      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

        I doubt Rachel has a learning disability… grant it, she is not the most articulate person but she was definitely smart enough to understand what the defense was trying to do to her. I think she shut West down in a good way.

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    • Girlp says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      I agree she needs to be coached because she has not learned how to temper herself yet. I had to learn to sparse my words when I was young too (lucky I even kept my job for 10 years before I decided to go back to college)ā€¦she is upset, doesnā€™t want to be there hurt, grieving and feeling guilty over her friends death but to help Trayvon she has to learn that she cannot fight the lawyers just do what she has been doing which is telling the truthā€¦I think her age has a lot to do with it also, I betting she is teased often for being 19 in the 11th grade so she is naturally defensive wants people to understand her. With her mother coming from Haiti English may not be her first language itā€™s possible she never heard English spoken until she started school and still would speak Creole at home that may have a lot to do with the way she speaks. They should have been working with her the last few weeks .

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:45 pm

        Something I found interesting and connected with watching Dr. Drew earlier. He was asking his Behavior Bureau their thoughts on this young woman’s appearance in court. And everyone of the woman on that panel empathized with Rachel, saying none of have no clue what it must be like to be in the position she finds herself. It was mentioned that you have all these professional attorneys all wanting something from her for their own reasons, with no real concern of what she must be experiencing, yet wonders why she shows such contempt and disrespect for the lawyers, court, etc.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

      Just curious: Are any/all of you female?
      (If you care to share.)

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm

      It is not this young woman’s destiny to be a witness in a murder trial. Fogen caused this anomaly in her life. She doesn’t have to be “fit” for the job of “witness”; she has a life interest in living HER OWN LIFE and should not be criticized for not living up to the standard some strangers might set for the parts they want HER to play in THEIRS! Makes me MAD!! Somebody needs to coach her? No they don’t. Somebody needs to coach Fogen not to kill and West not to lie and torment and betray his bar license as an officer of the court. FEH! Veshtunkene!

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:51 pm

        Malisha – due to his actions, he’s impacted so many lives, I don’t think he’s even grasped the reality of it! I noticed each of the three witness that lived in RATL at time of the shooting have moved. The very neighborhood, and neighbors he claimed to be concerned with protecting, he’s managed to scare at least three of the residents away.

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  34. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Interestingly, courtroom tweets from Rene Stutzman during West’s cross-exam:

    3 hours ago:
    “Jurors are rapt, taking notes, eyes from West to the witness to West etc.”

    2 hours ago:
    “Juror B51, Oviedo retiree, has been on edge of seat for a long time, shoulders hunched as she listens to the gal on the phone w/ #Trayvon.”

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  35. boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    how does the court handle learning disabilities. or if your witness has a learning disability he gets away with it.

    somebody knows this girl has some things going on.

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  36. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Watching HLN, Frank Taffee is on, all I can say is you can tell a lot about a person from the company they keep.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

      Calling himself a cracker and saying we know who the real aggressor is. Why do they put him on? What a loser, then says he knows what it is like to lose 2 sons….none of which were killed by a guy following them.

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      • Cercando Luce says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:40 pm

        One a suicide and the other losing control of his car.

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      • ladystclaire says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

        @TF, I’ve been asking myself that very same question. Why do these people continue to have Frank Taaffe on their shows, just like why did Piers Morgan continue to give Robbie the Racist a continuous plat form to spew his lies as well as his racial hatred.

        I believe these people have a real fascination for this kind of IGNORANCE. if not that, what the hell else can it be?

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:32 pm

        I don’t think they need the 911 calls to show GZs frustration was building…just run on a continuos loop… FT saying, ” George was fed up, with all the recent burglaries, and vandalism”…”He had a call of duty”

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    • Deborah says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

      who else wants to be associated with Fogen besides those two?

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  37. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Someone should report the Treehouse folks. I hope MOM did not give them depo copies.

    Is law enforcement monitoring those loonies?

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

      @Woow, this is exactly what I’ve been screaming all day. there is definitely something going on in that courtroom between Fogen his defense and, who ever is communicating with Fogen on his computer.

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      • ladystclaire says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:08 pm

        BTW, how would those slum house folks know what to look for as far as differences in their depositions and, what they have testified to in court, unless they have seen the depositions?

        Something really stinks with this defense!

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  38. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Jean Cazares is reporting BDLR was suprised by some of the anwsers she gave. Do you think she testified in her depo about Trayvon saying Creepy Cracker and say he said “This Nigga” . Seems the State is not doing good research. They should have noticed some of her behavior during her deposition, she apparently knows West to be nerve wrecking. But even he seems surprised by some of her comments.

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm

      Can Jean Cazares read minds?

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:25 pm

      She compared the criminal investigation to a TV show. If that does not show “child like” youth I do not know what does.

      If the jury or courtroom visitors think she should give “grown up” answers and act like she is a college graduate (when she is just going into 12th grade) in their mid life career, then they are not watching the same trial they should be. She is a witness. Whether she was 55 with masters or a 15 yr old with learning disabilities, she is the unknowing/unwilling witness of Trayvon’s last words. She should be taken as such. She had no qualms admitting her “fibs” (I can’t even call them lies) and saying what is truth and what is not.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm

        Not necessarily child like… she and a lot of other people actually think the legal system works just as it does on TV.

        It is more of not knowing than being child like.

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      • BillT says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:33 pm

        i for sure would be expecting to hear from police if i was the last person to speak on the cell phone right before the shooting……and i would not call the miami police because they have nothing to do with the case…..to expect the police to contact you is not childlike in any way.

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      • kllypyn says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm

        I watch that show. It’s a documentary about police investigating murders. They talk about two cases in each episode. In a few episodes they called the last number the victim talked to in an effort to find the next of kin or the murderer.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      Bill, She had no idea she was the last one to speak with him (other than GZ I guess) and she was totally shattered to find out.

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  39. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    I like the UK reports better, they got the day right…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10145034/Trayvon-Martin-told-George-Zimmerman-to-get-off-him-before-shooting.html

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  40. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I know the Professor suggested DeeDee may have lied about her age because she may not have wanted anyone to know since she was still in HS but maybe she lied because Trayvon was a minor and unwittingly thought she was legally too old to be with a 16-17yr old? IJT.

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    • boyd says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:12 pm

      she was embarrassed about her age,

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm

        Yep. My sister graduated high school when she was 22. She was in special education w/ a learning disability. She was determined to finish. She was not required to take algebra but she wanted to and repeated it 4 times until she got it.

        She went on to community college and received an associates in nursing LVN (so proud of her) and has been gainfully employed as a nurse for 20 years. That was her calling. The school provided tutoring for students with disabilities.

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      • Tee says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        Who cares women lie about their age all the time. She didn’t want any anyone to know who she was. Please I hope that they have something better than this to impeach her.

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:56 pm

        Actually, I will have to find it (I thought it was a supreme court case), but lying about age is not impeachable unless it was material to the motion. Examples are like retirement, trusts, and other things where correct age is a material element, etc….not embarrassment!

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:25 pm

      Ms. Jackson on JVM said it was to hide her identity. (have everyone looking for a 16 yr old and not an 18.)

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    • elcymoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      There’s no law that I’m aware of that Trayvon couldn’t legally associate with or ‘be’ with an older teen, unless it was a sexual relationship. She testified that it was nothing like that, and added that Trayvon already had another girfriend.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      Only one year difference in age with Trayvon.

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  41. tryagainplease12 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    in my Apollo 13 voice florida we have a problem!!

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      Yes, gz certainly does have a problem.

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      • ay2z says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

        The squinty eyed anger after the second to last break was announced, he was seething beneath the surface, wonder if being called a ‘cauker’ and the slang use of the ‘n’ word. Imagine, if he has anger towards his own racial background issues , how he might feel if someone called him the n word. Ok for himself to do it, but a stranger.

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  42. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    From Tony Pipitone’s courthouse tweets:

    “Jurors 1 and 5 perked up, heads swivel, when Jeantel admitted lying under oath to prosecutor about why she did not go to funeral.”

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    • Beverly says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm

      “Perk Up”….do you know what the implication is there? Sympathy, lack of credibility….Im sure we cannot imagine what it is to be in her world.

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      • whonoze says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:41 pm

        I would guess one implication is that the jurors were still awake while BDLR was up. I wonder what Tony P. saw on the jury while West was running Rachel around in circles.

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  43. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    conversation w/ my 12 year old w/ learning disabilities

    me: trayvon’s girlfriend was just in court. it seems obvious she has a learning disability of some sort and does not want to be there. the defense was pretty mean to her

    sadie-lou-who: if it were me, i’d be a total bitch to them

    me: she pretty much was, as much as you can in a courtroom

    sadie-lou-who: GO HER!!!

    we got yer back rachel, keep your head up, tell the truth and don’t let the bastards get you down.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

      @ fauxmccoy – Touching and enlightening. Thank you for sharing!

      I saw a raw honesty in Rachel – which had its advantages today, for sure. But ignorant people will fail to recognize that her “outbursts” (for lack of a better word) at the end reflected the very same raw honesty that she exhibited earlier in the day.

      Raw is raw. It’s not strategically turned on and off, like most people’s “honesty.”

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm

      faux mccoy~ “GO HER!” Yeah, couldn’t have said it better myself!

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  44. boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    she did better than my youngest would have. He has some problems and I know he would have gotten frustrated like 3 hours earlier then Rachel. He would say to West “you’re a dick, man” with a smile on his face because he never gets violent just speaks his mind , but he’s not discreet about it.

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  45. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    She is a brave, young woman. It takes a special kind of person to face what she is facing. She will be facing more pressure, even after the trial, than any other witness. They are attacking her twitter account as we speak. Shameless. I pray that she has more good friends like Trayvon and family that supports her. I hope that she knows that for all the haters out there, there are many more who admire her for courage and support her.

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  46. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    They tried to take advantage of her but they didn’t. I am a mom & all I felt was sorry for this girl she really didn’t want to be involved, not for all the tea in china. She still don’t want to be involved, all she want to do is go home and try to forget that she was the last person that talked to Trayvon that she did nothing afterwards. This is girl is living with this day in & day out and I know how she feels it’s an awful burden to carry.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:03 pm

      Tee~ Which I why I hope that someone has proactively got her a grief counselor. She’s still feeling guilty and she shouldn’t. She EXPECTED the cops to call her, just like they do on The First 48, but they never did.

      ________________________________

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm

        Also, the cops would call if something HAPPENED to Trayvon (she expected that because the cops on TV are decent cops) but if nothing bad happened to Trayvon and SHE tried to call the cops, first of all which cops would SHE call and then, if it turned out being the WRONG thing to do, everyone would be down on her for calling the cops on Trayvon!

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      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm

        What would she call the cops for? Remember at first, the cops did nothing but give Zimmerman a slap on the wrist and sent him home. They even gave him a bonus and let him go to the restroom to wash his hands and pretty much let him roam around the police station like he worked there (Remember that video?). If she had called they probably would have dismissed her called or ignored it.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 11:01 pm

          Granny~ Hey I’m agreeing with you! She did not call the cops because that’s not her job to do! She expected to GET a call from the cops, but she never did, so she assumed she was not needed. She did teh smart thing and waited.

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  47. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    I also think that West and MOM are on a revenge kick and are looking for something to get Crump barred or smear his name and reputation. The hate Crump and it shows. West and MOM are childish. liars, and vindictive.

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    • Beverly says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Do you know what they are so mad about? I saw the part where they tried to keep him out of the Court room, but do now know what is behind it all. Thanks.

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:57 pm

      I don’t think they are. I think they are instead playing to the racist “christian” element that believes all that “BGI” conspiracy nonsense.

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:26 pm

      Get Crump barred.. with at the shenanigans they have been doing please…. smear him yes… they know a civil suit is coming

      W and MOM hate the fact that a black attorney has outsmarted them.

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    • Shari says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:27 pm

      They are so transparent. Yes they have been after Crump for a long time. SMH. I knew this would happen to her because they thought she was the whole prosecution case. She isn’t, she is just part of the foundation. Other evidence will tie in with hers and she will corroborate.

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  48. vickie s. votaw says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I’m praying for sweet Rachael, I sure fell in love with her today! Hoodies Up, hang in there ,young lady, you have many people praying for you.

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  49. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Sorta reminds me of that man that rescued those three women that had been held hostage for years by that man a couple of months ago. The public loved him regardless of him being inarticulate. Even the racist were praising him for helping to free those women and calling him a hero.

    However, in this case, they want to trash a child. And she is still a child, until she becomes 21 years old. It’s a strange world we live in when adults badmouth, trash, and belittle children. No wonder we have so many children with low self-esteems. I’m sure all of her friends will be watching the news and hear how they are trashing her, which could lead to some of them teasing her themselves and children can be brutal with teasing.

    It is obvious that she is self-conscience about how she sounds, which might mean that she has been teased about it in the past. Smh! When will people learn to accept people for who they are and where they are because everyone can’t be a Rhodes Scholar. Dee cannot help it that she is poor, or that she tongue-tied. Another thing, she had respect enough for Trayvon’s mother that she left out some of the words he said. She told the truth and to me that is what counts.

    In my honest opinion, I believe that West knows she is tired and is trying to wear her down. Bernie should have stopped the questioning a long time ago. I’m sure he can see that she is tired and what West is trying to do.

    My mother always told me that if people knew better they’d do better.

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    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:58 pm

      I forgot to add here we have a child that came to testify in behalf of a dead child that was murdered by a lying child murderer who has no remorse whatsoever and feels that Trayvon deserved to die.

      In the case of the three women that were kidnapped, held hostage, raped, and tortured for years starting when they were teenagers by a sick man. An inarticulate black man helps save those three women and even racist were praising him, taking up for him being inarticulate, until you would have thought that they had changed their racist views overnight . They made excuses for the man’s speech and said that he was down-to-earth, comical, nothing was wrong with the way he talked. He was the kind of fellow they’d love to play checkers with and have a beer with. Yep, it’s a strange sick world we live in. Smh!

      I’m a person that loves children. In fact, I like them better than I do some adults. Because kids are honest and unpretentious. That’s what attracted me to this case. I have a hard time understanding why a grown man would kill an unarmed child, the need to have to protest in order to get an arrest and trial, and when I saw Trayvon’s picture in that hoodie I saw my own grandson who is the spitting image of Trayvon. When I saw his picture, I broke down and cried, and asked the question, “What is wrong with people?”

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:22 pm

        Granny~ I hear you! I prefer animals and children to adults for the SAME reasons you listed; they are authentic and real. Today Dee Dee was authentic and real and HONEST. I truly believe the jury will have sensed that as well. She loved Trayvon and misses her friend. I didn’t have a dry eye for most of the afternoon.

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      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:25 pm

        Cielo, I think a lot of us were boohooing even some of the males. šŸ™‚ I could feel her pain.

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  50. boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    am I suppose to believe she read those documents that fast or at all?

    There was something really wrong about that. if she has any documentation from her school she has some kind of disability then
    there better be some corrective action by the court or Federal law.

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  51. tharealkeisha says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    West is playing on Rachel’s comprehension skills, thus trying to put words in her mouth.

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  52. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    After hearing and seeing Ms. Rachael today, GOD love her. I could really see the kind of kid Trayvon was and, the operative word here is KIND. this kid was kind enough and loving enough to befriend her, when a lot of other kids probably give her the time of day.

    I LOVE Trayvon for everything he was and, that was a KIND hearted human being who gave of his time and attention to his BFF Rachael. this defense should hang their collective heads in shame, for what they did to that kid today. they took complete advantage of her state of mind and, I feel that Judge Nelson as well as the state, should have put a stop to what Pest was doing.

    One thing for sure though, at the end of the day, Fogen is still a MURDERER and, one way or another he will pay for what he did to Rachael’s BFF Trayvon.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      I feel their friendship was a two-way street. Rachel (Dee-Dee) was savvy enough to tell Trayvon to run … I wish he had run like hell rather than to try to look nonchalant about being stalked.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

        I’m not sure that would have done any good, TO. How was he going to get into the house? He had no keys and Chad already said he was playing his video game with the headphones on.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      I don’t think Trayvon was just Rachel’s friend from kindness; they had a real bond. Rachel is a very interesting and attractive young woman, with a depth that isn’t immediately apparent but that is — for lack of a better word — “real cool.” If I knew her better I am sure I would find her fascinating and LOTS OF FUN TO SPEND TIME WITH. I love that comment: “Nobody wants to stay in a closet for a long time.”

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  53. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    MOM better work out a new defense strategy b/c continuing to push that TM sucker punched Fogen and beat the crap out of him is not working.

    3 witness in and no luck with that.
    311 records…. paints an ugly picture of a serial profiler

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  54. HereslookingatYou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    As far as DD saying she heard the creepy man say what you doing around here..
    there is a witness that says she heard something to the effect what you doing..
    I do not remember which witness

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  55. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    June 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I wish I could put my observations and feelings into words.

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  56. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    The outhouse is having it’s readers do the work for MOM and co.
    They are asking people to review Rachel’s statements to Crump/ABC, her written statements, FDLE statements and today’s testimony. Then word out the questions for West to ask.

    What a piece of work they are, and MOM wants to deny being in contact with them, …….right.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      I know. That was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen. It makes me want to send it to someone and have them charged with tampering or something. Do they REALLY think they are being listened to and/or they are in charge of this? They are such assholes. I was going to print it over here because at first I thought it was hilarious, but then I got to thinking, they are some dangerous MFers.

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      @TF, The Judge as well as the state needs to know about this. I don’t read at that sight and, I am not that computer savvy to copy and paste these things for sending to the state.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        If the State is smart and looking at the site they’ll have no problem finding it, it’s on a main topic thread. SD also begged readers to get MOM to petition the court to remove TM’s parents again, using the basis that she said she was influenced once by their presence. He is still on his fishing expedition in Miami, trying to get his hands on TM’s school records.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

        Somebody need to expose SD. Who the hell do he think he is?

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      • Rachael says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:11 pm

        That’s the part I was talking about:

        I am in Miami Gardens ā€“ My blood is boiling. Please Don West and Mark Oā€™Mara ask NOW for Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton to be removed from courtroom. JUST DO IT ā€“ TRUST ME.

        Basis for request that Witness #8 previously lied under oath (4/2/12) because she felt pressured by Sybrina Fultonā€™s presence during her statement. PLEASE DO THIS NOW.

        I am in Miami Gardens ā€“ Was at M-DSPD all day. This request is NOT without reason, merit or purpose. Anyone who can get this message to defense. DO IT.

        Now he has a whole one up for people to crowdsource – which I think is like blasting it out everywhere or something. He’s an ass.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 6:27 pm

          Rachael~ LOL! That sounds SO “important”! Just trust me! I KNOW when the case is going to crack wide open!

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:38 pm

        Rachael, reading SD’s words, here’s the picture I get of him: he’s another iteration of Fogen. Fogen wanted to be the big important topcop no matter where he was (at work he was the squealer, at the store he was the shoplifter-apprehender, on the road he was the “king of the road,” and in RTL he was the “NW Captain,” etc. etc. ad nauseam). He wanted to play the role he saw the hero playing on TV crime shows. The one who ACTS when others sit and twiddle their thumbs. The one who, when he appears on the scene, the music changes dramatically (“the suspect again emerged from the darkness; he looks like he’s up to no good).

        SD is down there in Miami (if it is even true) trying to get that last-minute save-the-case crucial paperwork that he will then RUSH into the courtroom at the last moment, breaking the case WIDE OPEN and showing that the WHOLE THING was a sham and a miscarriage of JUSTICE that HE WILL REMEDY and save Fogen and the oppressed white Afro-Peruvian race FOREVERMORE!!! TADA!! He’s desperately preparing for the photo-finish. And we all know it can only come (and it is absolutely SURE TO COME) at the last instant, right before ALL IS LOST, and all thanks to HIM!

        But you must clap for TINKERBELL!

        Notify the Defense! Help is coming. “TRUST ME!” he shouts. OMG OMG do not fail in your mission, O Great White Hope!

        (retch retch wretch)

        and everybody must hold their breath for the appearance of:

        SD WHO WILL SAVE THE DAY!! (chest-swelling music) ā—

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      • towerflower says:
        June 27, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        How true, how true. He and others over there are truly looking for that Perry Mason moment.

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    • BlessTrayvon says:
      June 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

      ha. the outhousers have nothing to lose…they are extremists.

      they have filled up MOM’s mind with lies…

      I could totally see them insisting they found something when in fact they are mistaken.

      they could actually get MOM in a lot of trouble…I hope he’s vetting them.

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  57. Sabrina B. says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I’m just going to reserve hope that the jury sees that, whatever else they think she may be, the parts that mattered were the truth.

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  58. Shari says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Tracy says he’s a fan of Rachel so I’m going to stop complaining.

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  59. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    It’s all about wearing down prosecution witnesses until they are exhausted and confused. Is that REALLY a path to finding the truth?

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  60. elcymoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I realize that I’m biased, and probably have different reactions than some women on that jury might, but my experience in working with developmentally delayed children and students made watching West try to provoke Rachel torture for me today. I had the same reaction she did when he said he’d probably need at least two more hours tomorrow.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      I hear you, elcymoo.

      It was so upsetting for me also.

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm

      I hope the judge puts her foot down tomorrow and, not allow him two more hours to badger this kid. what he did to her was as shameful as one can get.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      elcymoo~ I’m not challenged in any way (mentally at least) and I ALSO was flabbergasted when that asshole said ANOTHER TWO HOURS!!

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      • jm says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

        I don’t want to listen to this snake for 2 hours and I can’t imagine Rachael wanting to be questioned for 2 hours by this idiot who talks in circles and asks the same questions over and over. West in general is despicable. I hope the jury feels the same way about him. .

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm

        @cielo62 – LORL…

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    • FactsFirst says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm

      OMG! I wanted to jump through my monitor..

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    • dianetrotter says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm

      He wants her to suffer all night knowing he is going to grill her tomorrow. I think, during the break, MOM reminded West that she is the enemy.

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  61. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Dee Dee was excellent people I wouldn’t worry one bit. The women on the jury have kids they know first hand how they react to stressful situation. This young girl held it down & if the defence only got that last question to try to impeach they had better come better. At know time did she say that it wasn’t Trayvon and she did something no one has done since this started, she let the world know that Trayvon had a high pitch baby voice. That was powerful. West can’t Handel her, he can’t pin her down. I loved every minute of it.

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    • type1juve says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      I agree. I’m proud of how she stood up to West. She does need some coaching on how to carry herself on the witness stand, and hopefully that will be addressed by tomorrow morning. Another thing, Lord help the defense if any of those jurors has a child or relative that is developmentally challenged.

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  62. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    This is the very reason that she didn’t want to come forward in the first place. I think it was very brave of her to subject herself to the scrutiny of the court, the media, and a legion of racists.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:04 pm

      And can you blame her? Do you remember what it was like to be a teenager? And now to be in the spotlight of all this crap? And I could certinly understand like she said, not wanting to meet a guy’s mom under those circumstances.

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  63. tchoupicaillou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    KittySP, there is no doubt that DeeDee is mentaly under-developed. I’m not mocking her. It is just what it appears to be.

    It explains why she cannot read outloud.
    It explains why she has difficulties understanding questions.
    It explains her childish behavior.
    It explains why she is 2+ years late at school.
    It explains why she wants to stay away from the case and stay in the shadow.
    It also explains why she could not grab the gravity of the situation when TM got into a fight and when she learned about the killing.
    It may explain her amazing memory for dates, days and hours as I have no doubt she would school anybody on this.

    It is at first surprising, but it could end up help TM’s case. Because, gosh, she is down the hearth.
    She never budged on her statement about TM asking “Why are you following me?”.
    Just as the x-exam was ending, she added “Because Trayvon has a baby voice”. That was so nice to spontaniously tell everyone that the high pitch voice is from Trayvon.

    It may help defense though. It is clear that they adjust their approach to the personality of the witness. DD is simple, so let trip her up. Selene is nervous, so let be aggressive with her.
    It may also play against them if the jury get to side with DD because of her development issue.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      I respectfully disagree! But to each their own.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:04 pm

        I guess Chad would also be considered mentally under-developed? He’s fifteen in 7th or 8th grade…my point is what’s point of focusing on her weakness/inabilities…none of us know her story. Let’s consider for a moment, what she’s had to overcome to get where she is now.

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      • tchoupicaillou says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

        Chad is in 8th grade and I believe is 14.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:42 pm

        @KP

        God bless you for not following the crowd. No one here knows anything about her other than what’s been put into the official records. And based on my knowledge her medical history has not been made a part of any public record as it pertains to this case. It’s a shame that anyone would assume anything about her medical condition otherwise.

        I just don’t think it’s a kind or loving thing to do when you don’t have any proof of a witness medical history, to arbitrarily diagnosed them so publicly, especially if lack professional medical expertise in certain areas to support your assertions.

        I wonder if any of them took into consideration that she, her family and friends may one day soon read this blog and wonder what type of people would say such things about her especially if they don’t have any evidence of what they are saying is true.

        And if it were true, what purpose does it serve discussing it and commenting on it here?

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Good analysis
      I also noted her acuity and fascination with dates, combined with her environment specific inappropriate outbursts are a dead giveaway in my opinion for an autistic spectrum disorder or some variant.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm

        Tzar~ Yup! NOT stupid but often very bright at very specific things. Dates and times seem to be her strength.

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        • jm says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:58 pm

          Now that I think about it with her memory for dates and certain details like West deposing Trayvon’s brother, etc, she may have a degree of autism. When listening to her I felt she was much younger than 19.

          I also think she has a strong dislike for West that is justified. She sees right through his “act” just like Judge Nelson does. I am so glad Judge Nelson put things in perspective by smacking down West several times.

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  64. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching her give it to West. Hopefully Nat Jackson takes this young woman aside and talks with her about proper courtroom etiquette.

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

      exactly
      that’s all there is to it

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      • jm says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        I think Rachael’s issue is with West and not the court. She wanted to be done with him and obviously has contempt for him and I can’t blame her. To spend a few more hours with him on Thursday going in circles is not something she bargained for.

        So glad she did not mouth off to Judge Nelson when she told her to be back at 9:00.

        She knows instinctively West is a snake just as the rest of us do.

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  65. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Perhaps Rachel just said what the jury was already thinking and feeling about Don West.

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  66. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Thank you Rachel

    1. TM was at the mail kiosk
    2. He entered through a short cut (by the back entrance)
    3. Asked why was he being followed
    4. Heard push/or other contact

    The question is how did Fogen get to the rear of the property on foot if he was in his car at the Kiosk.

    Who told Fogen they saw TM for him to follow in the first place.

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    • PYorck says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm

      If you accept her testimony – and I do – then there is not much left of GZ’s narrative. Almost nothing fits.

      I think the video by whonoze, amsterdam et al. that was linked here long ago is looking better than ever.

      Now all we need is additional evidence to back that up.

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  67. LeaNder says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    I can freeze, especially when someone tries to make me respond the way West wanted DD to respond. I already could at her age, circumstances thought me. He wouldn’t have managed to hear any of the words he lured out of her from me starting with 17.

    so said.

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  68. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    I doubt it. She should have had an attorney with her in court and at the depositions. I doubt, though, that her family could afford one if they had even considered it.

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  69. Leisa says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I don’t know if anyone else was listening to channel 2Wesh but after the seal came up a female made a comment about her having gotten her hair and nails done for court and saying WHAT? That woman sounded like she came from the outhouse.

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  70. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Where can I watch Trentā€™s videos?

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  71. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    What is frustrating is that some of you think Rachel is the end all be all for this case & she is clearly not!! Its day 3 people, damn!! Don’t forget we have forensics, ballistics, other witnesses, GZ phone records & text messages. Social media is already going to rip this girl apart just because of the way she looks & speaks. Don’t give them any more ammo. Chill out, we got this!!!

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

      I think Rachel was wonderful and her testimony was on point.

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    • Dee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      Believe it or not on HLN, they have been really good with her. People know what going on. Now Fox I don’t know. They are going to have a field day. However, I stop watching fox period I don’t want my rating given to them, for how they handle the election. They are one prejudice channel.

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      I am totally with you. I actually can’t wait for her testimony to be over, she has delivered what the state needed.

      That is that:
      Trayvon was, yet one more time, in the act of trying to get away from his killer when he had to turn around and ask him “What are you following me for?”

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

      Hey Trina~ You stole all my best lines! LOL! Yeah, we got this!

      Hope it embeds!

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  72. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    This defense team’s cross exam technique makes me think:

    WHY BOTHER having a trial? Why not just submit all the statements and depositions to the jury?

    This defense doesn’t ask “event” witnesses any questions about their knowledge of events. They only ask about what they said before, and have them sit there and read up on it during court time.

    If I were a witness, I’d want to say:

    “Please don’t waste my time, sir – why don’t you just tell the jury what inconsistencies you see, and let them read and compare, and reach their own conclusions. Because this is at least the THIRD time I’m telling what I know, and I have a life to get back to unless you have any unanswered questions that you would like to ask me.”

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  73. LeaNder says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    I was on the wrong thread so it seems I was having a soliloquy with myself. I could cry, they managed to trick her. I have been fearing this all along.

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      ha, I have done that on before

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      But that’s just it: They “tricked” her. (Or wore/beat her down.) And if we can see that for what it is, then probably the jurors can, too. And it probably won’t sit any better with them than it does with us.

      (That’s my “cheery” take on it. You’ll likely notice some noticeably less cheery comments elsewhere!)

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      I don’t think they have gained anything at all, LeaNder. Nothing she said was materially wrong and she didn’t back off anything. She’s fine.

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      • boyd says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        I have a younger son who has some issues. We had him diagnosed in an effort to help him.

        My son gets very stressed out when people get on him like that. Until he blurts out exactly what his thoughts about you are.

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

        @boyd I have a 22year old daughter like DeeDee… It felt like I was watching her… I wanted to jump through my computer monitor and strangle Pest, I mean West…

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm

      I took a look, LeaNder…..how funny!

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  74. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I have been in a emotional state all day even b4 Dee Dee… didn’t know why… is worried about my mom… haven’t heard from my sister… then I get a phone call right when the judge recessed telling me my first cousin passed away… so young… only 63… *sigh*

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  75. ChrisNY~Laurie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t see how Rachael can be impeached for saying anything different to the state or defense from what she told Crump. She was not under oath while talking to him over the telephone as far as I know.

    Professor- what do you think about this?

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  76. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Where was the state during that depo and, why would Pest ask her about who was screaming on that 911 call? I saw some man with some media running out of the courtroom before the judge could finish talking.

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  77. ada4750 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    I gonna ask again. Was there neutral witness when she deposed?

    It sounds to me that West did try to raise her against Crump. I find also quite strange, yes quite strange, the way she reproaches West about the meeting avoid the next Friday.

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    • amsterdam1234 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

      Your favourite topic. Bad mouthing this girl.

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    • ada4750 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      To be more specific, i wonder if West tried to manipulate her emotions in private.

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      • ada4750 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:54 pm

        Not at all amsterdam. You never read me properly. My mistake, i suppose.

        West is tricky. Surprisingly, Rachel seems to have some resentments toward Mr Crump. I think it is very important to know if West was in private with Rachel and also if there was neutral witness during her deposition.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

          ada~ I also felt that she resented speaking to Mr. Crump. Probably MORE so because of the subject matter and nothing personal. I don’t blame her.

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:16 pm

        ada — the witness was quite clear about the source of her anger towards west. the deposition.

        remember, the defense wanted to film, the witness and prosecution refused and they spent well over 4 hours waiting for a ruling from nelson. she’s pissed that her time is being wasted by west (and still is) as well as having to go over this situation which she desperately wishes to avoid.

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    • vickie s. votaw says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      I thought that Bernie was with her in the deposition, but I don’t remember where I heard that.

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      • groans says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

        One or more lawyers from both sides would definitely attend and participate in all the depositions.

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  78. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Well, I don’t think West was as bad today as he was on other days. Unfortunately he is a very aggravating person. No one has the patience to deal with him especially because he doesn’t really respect anyone’s time or feelings. He feels he has the right to take as long as he wants as ask a question as many times as he wants and go off on tangents and bring up irrelevant issues or whatever.

    I don’t know if I want to watch the whole of mational media making fun of DD tonight. They are going to be spinning like a centrifuge. She isn’t sophisticated enough to draw a line & be conclusive. I’ll keep praying for her.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      I agree.

      I need to freshen things up after West’s doings:

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      • groans says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

        @ YATC – And I presume that also means taking a shower to wash West’s filth off of you? Me too!

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

      I have respect for Rachel (Dee-Dee) and hope she gathers strength overnight for the onslaught to come.

      (Earlier I asked if she can talk to HER lawyer overnight if she has one, which I hope she does. Is that legal? And if not, why not? She’s not the one charged with murder, and Fogen gets to jaw with his lawyers whenever he pleases.)

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      • groans says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm

        Yes, she needs some support tonight to get a good night’s sleep for tomorrow. IIRC, she’s allowed to talk to others but not to anyone about her TESTIMONY, either today’s or tomorrow’s.

        Hopefully there’s someone (but not any lawyers on this case) she can vent to and regain strength from, without discussing any testimony.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm

        I’d need the professor to weigh in on this, but I think she can talk to her OWN attorney about her testimony. Whatever she says to her own attorney is privileged, and we see people testifying in congressional hearings all the time who actually speak to their attorneys WHILE they’re testifying. They certainly talk to them on breaks and during lunch, probably during the overnight recess, as well.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 6:11 pm

          Nef05~ The problem seems to be she doesn’t HAVE an attorney. Professor didn’t seem to think so. Maybe Natalie can stead her for tomorrow?

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    • Valerie says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      Heck, even the judge gets aggravated with West…Why would he claim he could not see. I wish Judge Nelson could fine him for doing that…so inappropriate. She had to tell him to “sit down” in her court. Disgusting. He had no such complaints with the other witnesses.

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  79. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I don’t see how this is going to help the defense. So now West has shown that he, just like his client, has a killer instinct when it comes to black teenagers.
    Rachel’s testimony about what happened that night, sound just as true. I seriously doubt the jury will be impressed the a jerk of a lawyer, was able to rattle this girl after 2 hours of badgering her.

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  80. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    It’s obvious the deposition was horrible for Rachel/DeeDee! It’s clear they badgered that girl for HOURS until they got her to say what THEY/Defense wanted.. I bet a HUNDRED DOLLAZ to a bucket of SHIT Rachel has a learning disability… And everybody in this blog that think that shit funny F*** YOU! THAT COULD BE YOU! THAT COULD BE YOUR DAUGHTER! BE GREATFUL IT AINT!! They’re taking advantage of her and should be ashamed of themselves!!! SMDH…

    Anywho,
    my apologies to those I offend, but this is a sensitive topic for me.. and with that said.. I’m out!

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      I believe that too. I have a son with a 68 IQ from a group home. I know teen girls at group homes that have similar processing patterns. I am a protective bulldog over them. I am furious of his treatment of her today. I think she has a lot of pride, but a court advocate would have served her well today to make the processing transition.

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      • amsterdam1234 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm

        I am so pissed off. I can’t believe this behaviour by West will reflect well on his client.

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    • Dee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      Your right it’s not funny. The jury knows that she has a problem, but they are going to see through that. She has the power to but Zimmerman butt to prison. You notice that was one black he was listening to, and carefully he was sleeping on her, like the rest. And if the Defense has to be very careful with her no matter what she says. If not, it will not sit right with that female jury, you better believe that. Don’t worry Trayvon is going to start helping her. You watch my word. She is the only voice for Trayvon right now, and he will give her strength tomorrow just watch.

      Regardless of what else she said you noticed how clear she was when she said what happened to Trayvon and Zimmerman. All of this other stuff is not important.

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      • MichelleO says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:13 pm

        I’ve missed much of today’s testimony, but came back for the second half of Rachel’s. I noted the scared look on fogen’s face. He definitely is not laughing at this girl, because what she says can send him to police heaven for a very long time.

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      There is not one damn thing funny about what this child was put through today. It’s very obvious that she has some degree of a learning problem and, for the defense to take advantage of that, speaks to who they really are and, what they are all about.

      Shame on anybody who see’s her affliction as being funny and, may GOD have mercy on you.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      I agree, FactsFirst.

      West showed no compassion for her.

      West confronted her with his words, and she “stood her ground” with her words.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      Facts First~ NOBODY has made fun of Dee Dee on this thread! YES, I think most of caught her cognitive challenges right away. After 20 years as a school teacher, I could tell quickly. She is a VERY concrete thinker and that actually is her strength! Don’t make false accusations you can’t back up. The Outhouse no doubt has revived every knock knock joke in history to put Dee Dee down, but today she is MY hero. She took care of business and got her truth out there.

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      • Unabogie says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

        On other forums they are making fun of her. All this shows me is that now I understand why the people around her protected her. She’s a person that needs protection from those around her and has some problems. None of that tells us about her ability to tell the truth, and I found her direct examination extremely powerful.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm

          Unabogie~ Exactly! And I think the protections come from kindness, not pity. She as a very powerful speaker today. I honor her courage.

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm

        @cielo62 like I said “IF” ANYBODY” think that shit funny, because it’s a sensitive topic for me.. It was NOT a FALSE ACCUSATION… so fall waaay back!

        as I said in my disclaimer:

        “My apologies to those I MAY OFFEND”

        SMDH @ U

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        I believe Factsfirst is speaking of the poster calling itself “Mendelbaum” who basically said it was sad she didn’t know enough to be embarrassed because she didn’t speak correct English, then went on to say her parents were probably as bad or worse.

        Many of us were highly offended by what the poster said. I certainly was. Knowing Factsfirst has immediate family members with challenges, I can see how that would be personally offensive. I’d cut Facts a little slack. Just sayin’.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm

          Nef05~ OK. That makes sense. I also cut into mandelbaum by name. Sorry. As you can see, I can ALSO get sensitive about the issue. I took an immediate liking to Dee Dee; she reminded me of many students I’ve taught over the years. You can’t help but feel protective. At the same time, 99.9% of the posters here love her for her honesty. FactsFirst sounded more like casting a larger scold than just one person.

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

        LOL! What I meant to say is, ” everybody in this blog that “THINK”…. LOL! (I was in my feelings) but you know what I’m saying.. SMH

        Now fall waaay back again.. We’re on the same TEAM!

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm

          FactsFirst~ OKOKOKOKOKOK! I’m falling WAYYYY back! (am I back enough to be safe, though?)

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          • FactsFirst says:
            June 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm

            actually @cielo62 that may be a wi bi to far… Imma need you to have my back, so could move up a little closer??? LOL! It’s REAL in the BATTLEFIELD!!!

            Hoddies Up!

          • cielo62 says:
            June 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm

            FactsFirst- right here! Gotcha your back and Hoodies Up! Day 6 coming right at us. Get ready.

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm

        Unaboogie, I agree. Her direct was very powerful and her emotion and respect for the family was obvious.

        Her redirect is honestly confusing with West. He seems in lala land most of the time with irrelevant questions. I hope her questioning is roped in tomorrow with something of relevance.

        It just shows how desperate they are.

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  81. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    On reflection, Rachel may have been on some meds that wore off during her testimony. Not that they doped her up for trial, but maybe she’s on some regular script for behavior/concentration/???

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      Possibly. It tends to wear off around 4ish with my students.

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    • anita says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

      Any piece of garbage that would laugh at her just infuriates me. I’m sure sick freak fogen would’ve been the type, before he murdered Trayvon & got arrested. I think she’ll be back in the a.m.

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      • racerrodig says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:18 pm

        Fogen finished 315 out of 317 and 316 & 317 dropped out before graduation. I’d still bet Rachel will finish higher than that.

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    • ChrisNY~Laurie says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      I think she just got pissed off. West was trying to confuse her and everybody was having a hard time hearing her, I think that she put herself in defense mode.

      I am impressed with her memory of dates. She seems to remember things very well when she associates them with the date that they occurred. Yes, she lacks social skills, but that does NOT make her less credible.

      I

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      • Cercando Luce says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        She also pointed out what day of the week a certain date was. She knows what she knows and isn’t going to unknow it when the defense lawyers try to push her.

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      • racerrodig says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:23 pm

        I loved it when he stated they contacted here the next month and she laid the wood to him with…..NO, it was March 17th. Then he said “whatever” then he went down another date road, got the date and facts wrong ans she belted him again with “That was March 30th” “…whatever”

        I have an Imitation of Fogen down pat for the wife and son….

        Puff out cheeks….then blink, blink……eyes left….eyes right, wipe sweat from brow…..fill water glass. Repeat every 28 minutes.

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  82. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    I am just at every GZ blog that is laughing at her right now…thinking themselves so much better.

    She was honest, that was certain but confused easily. She is a teen. They are NOT getting her mode of language.

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    • Dee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm

      Of course, they’re making N**** jokes. They are having a ball. I am about to go on them, or I will be writing half the night, trying to give them a piece of my mind. However, that’s okay because it shows them how ignorant they are. You know some of these kids today they just talk like this it a language of their own. You can’t understand anything, but they understand each other without a problem.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        They’re laughing on the way to the graveyard. I’ll bet there’s not a single juror who’s willing to mock Rachel Jaentel.

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      • dianetrotter says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm

        I see it every day at school. It is hard for me to understand some of their FB lingo. I did notice one of my students using one of my expressions on FB today – “lost as an Easter egg.” Their exposure is limited to their school and neighborhood. No money for fieldtrips these days.

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  83. ks says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Wow, Rachel is doing great but getting tired of West’s BS. BDLR needs to jump in.

    I see we have some trolls here today so I’ll take that as a good sign.

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      I thought some trolls got through today too. They must not have enough billy goats to persecute today.

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  84. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I still think the fact that they were friends destroys the underlying premise (Trayvon was a big, ba’lack THUG who beat up a poor widdle innocent NW guy, cause he was an easy target) of the entire defense.

    Clearly, this was not a kid who took advantage of other people’s limitations. And if you don’t believe Trayvon was a big, balack, scary THUG, what do you have left?

    Nothing.

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  85. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    This is complete nonsense, West is always trying to trick people, everyone can see that. I’m guessing impeach means to throw out the testimony? well that would not be fair at all to Trayvon or too any teenagers expected to process tricky lawyer questions..

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    • Unabogie says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:28 pm

      They can’t throw out the testimony. “Impeach” means cause the jury to discredit her story.

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

      I think this will get saved on redirect. Bernie will go over the important parts of her testimony that she has ALWAYS been consistent on. That will be the lasting memory.

      I am lost on West’s preoccupation with Crump.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

        Because MOM and W know a civil suit is coming after the trial is over. I hope Sabrina and Tracy sue

        Fogen
        his partents
        SPD
        Wolfinger – individually
        Lee – individually
        Hannity if they could

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      • lurker says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

        The defense theory is that there was no crime. Crump forced Corey to press charges through political manipulation. And the press was involved as well. It is a recurring undercurrent.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:22 pm

        KA~ West has got the hots for Crump šŸ˜‰

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:12 pm

      You don’t throw out their testimony. You try to show the jury not to believe them, that’s all. I think her testimony is doing fine. She won’t be impeached; he is gadflying and it’s doing his client’s case more harm than good.

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  86. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Trents commentary will be interesting!

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  87. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    in the closet she gave her testimony over the phone to Crump

    from her closet

    where do kids hide from bad things?

    I hid in the top of the garage and under my bed and even in my closet….

    even when I just felt so so sad I didn’t know how to fix things or what to do those are the places I would go

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  88. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    If she doesn’t appear tomorrow morning, West’s vile behavior will have paid off.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      She’s the Jeantelinator. She’ll be back.

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    • kllypyn says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:13 pm

      SHE’LL BE back because she cared about trayvon deeply you could see it on her face when she almost broke down.She knows she and his family are the only ones who can defend him.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm

        Hopefully someone has taken time and spoken with her and prepare for tomorrow. We have to mindful that, testifying in open court isn’t something inner city youth are accustomed to. They don’t cooperate with police when crimes happen in the ‘hood’ because they don’t trust them. Take into consideration how this case started out.

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  89. degraveegmailcom says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Are you refusing to come back tomorrow?
    To you?
    My Hero!

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  90. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    They should have scheduled her at the beginning of the day. The defense has dealt with her before and they knew she would be pissed at having to come back to finish. Also, Rachel appears to have some cognitive deficits, IMO. The defense is taking advantage of that. Shame on them!

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      I am not entirely certain that is the case. I would be more inclined to classify her as naive, possibly isolated. I think that Trayvon knew her from an earlier school that he had gone to–perhaps they had moved to get to a better situation. Schools in Florida are scarcely a generation removed from de jure segregation and remain in a state of inequality that tracks with both income and race. Rachel is the first generation born in America with Spanish-speaking parents (I am presuming). She may well be bilingual, caught in bad schools where expectations are set quite low based on poverty, parental language and very likely race.

      If you listen, she is quite explicit with regard to dates. And she is also quite clear that she knows what she knows–despite some variance over time with regard to how she has said things. She also seems to be capable of reading (even studying) transcripts as she is provided with them (although I did wonder if the long sidebar prior to that had to do with a possible reading disability–and we didn’t hear her read out loud).

      She does not seem to have behind her the savvy and sophistication we see in the Martin family. While she deferred to her mother about being interviewed, I thought that was more about wanting her mother to say no on her behalf than actually seeking out her advice.

      She seems to be deeply immersed in a dialect/culture and is genuinely puzzled when the adults cannot understand her words–which to her seem quite plain.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        @lurker-Ditto!

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:19 pm

        I agree with what you said, + the learning disability. How do you learn math? (reading) How do you learn science? (reading) How do you learn history? (reading) How do you learn everything? (reading) I rest my case.

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  91. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Would sure love to hear the professor’s take on all this.
    (Pretty please?)

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      x2, pretty, pretty

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      Yes, she needs to get her temper under control. She got tired, became impatient, and lost concentration.

      Up until that happened, she was in control and basically running the show.

      Hopefully, she will sleep well tonight and wake up refreshed.

      Also, I do not believe she was effectively impeached on the issue of voice identification.

      Please see my new post regarding West’s gotcha trick.

      I should be ready to post it in approximately 15 minutes.

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  92. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    I hope the Jurors understand her frustration. Otherwise this COULD be bad. I get it, but will they?

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  93. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Schaeffer the analyst is a TOOL. He said Dee Dee did her testimony “irreperable harm”. BS!! Taken overall, I’d say she did well, but little by little the constant hounding and badgering got her to lose her temper. And HONESTLY! Is there a major difference between “What are you doing around here” and whatever other thing she said. What is imprortant to remember is that gz NEVER NEVER said WHO HE WAS. So his challenge is rather unimportant since it did NOT deescalate the fear that he had caused to Trayvon.

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    • type1juve says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      GZ also lied about confronting Trayvon.

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:28 pm

      GZ admitted in one of his statements to the police, possibly to Doris Singleton during the first interview after he killed Martin, that he asked TM what he was doing in the neighborhood.

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      • type1juve says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

        I stand corrected šŸ™‚

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      • Tee says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

        That’s exactly what he said, I wish that the prosecution get to admit that statement into evidence.

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      • MichelleO says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm

        I remember both she and Fogen saying the same thing last summer, during the document dumps. No wonder fogen looked so frightened when court adjourned for the second half of her testimony.

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      • ay2z says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm

        how did I mess that!!

        Have the recordings, going to put them on.

        thanks

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      • racerrodig says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:10 pm

        “…after he killed Martin, that he asked TM what he was doing in the neighborhood.”

        Which is inconsistent to his statements that Trayvon came out of nowhere / the bushes / the dark and sucker punched him with no warning. He also says he was called “homie” but I thinks “…crazy ass cracker…” works. Just sayin’

        I believe the testimony regarding running from left to right or right to left is a huge one. I wonder why Fogen left that part
        out ??

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      cielo62 — am with you.

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  94. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    She said “Sound like”, “Could Be” and “It is his voice”

    How are they so different to be impeached. it sounds like grasping at straws to me by the defense.

    She did not hear the screams. They asked her opinion.

    Nothing has changed in her main story. This line of questioning and badgering seems completely immaterial!

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  95. tchoupicaillou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    One positive thing she said though: “Because, Trayvon has a baby voice.”

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  96. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Going after a statement of whether or not it was TM’s voice screaming on the 911 tape, in the ABC interview she said she wasn’t sure and today she said it was.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      Like maybe she had time to hear it several times and reflect on it. That doesn’t make her a liar!

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      No. The ABC thing was an alternate expression she had used in quoting the TM/GZ exchange. The voice ID is from her depo with the defense.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm

        Now, I’m confused. When they approached the bench it was with an ABC report but you say the voice was with their depo. So what could’ve been in the ABC report?

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  97. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    They need her on the witness for at least 2hrs. tomorrow. Plus she did at least 2hrs today. That’s got to be stressful.

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    • tonydphotog says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      No, I don’t believe that statement. West was just being the jerk that he is. She told him she wasn’t coming back tomorrow, which is why he made sure to not finish today.

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    • Dee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      Lol, she said what? Oh no… this is going to be gone today. West can’t believe she’s talking to him that way. He said you mean to say your not coming back, the judge said shout up West and continue, lol not really, but it was funny.

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  98. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    She was BADGERED and got tired. I agree she is challenged and SHOULD HAVE HAD an advocate to help her out. But DAMN! I understand not wanting to answer the same shit over and over and over and over and….

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  99. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    @LLMPapa:

    If you had any plans to do anything else the next six months BESIDES making Rachel Jeantel videos, you’re going to have to make other arrangements.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      I usually only go watch videos of stuff I’ve missed. But, in this case, I want to see Trent’s video of Rachel. You KNOW he’s got some great comments!

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      What a great idea! I agree. Oh and please be sure to capture the stupid look on West face every time she threw his against the wall!;)

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  100. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    West is a massive dick. I think this will backfire big time. Bottom line she is a believable witness. The JURY will believe her, and Fogen will be convicted!

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  101. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Professor — Is Rachel (Dee-Dee) not free to speak with her own lawyer (if she has one, and I hope she does) between now and tomorrow at 9 o’clock?

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

      I do not believe she has been represented by counsel at any time in this case.

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      • disappointed says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm

        Are you available? I bet we can get enough donations for her retainer.

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      • Beverly says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

        Will you please school us on ways to have handled this better? Surely the State knew there may be a problem. Can you lay out a strategy? She certainly had information; it was shameful to ask her to read pages from a deposition….

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm

        I suspect she is on an IEP in school and has some diagnosed delays. Would they not have assigned her a court advocate to hep her with processing and translation?

        If not, they could railroad every person with a compromised processing time.

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        I thought to myself when he asked her to read that reading/comprehension could be part of her issues which is why she was defensive about it.

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  102. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    see why black folk don’t like to get involved?

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  103. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    He had her flustered

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:17 pm

      No he had her pissed b/c he keep asking the same damn thing.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      She’s tired and pissed, and who could blame her? It’ s one thing to rack your brain about THAT afternoon/evening that Trayvon was shot. She’s being grilled on everything from news reports she apparently didn’t see or pay attention to , to depos, to phone conversations, to who said what at what meeting, to what the depositions said … .

      I think JN should rule on limiting questions to her part on Feb. 26.

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  104. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    “WHAT!?” Ok I understand. But she needs to control it. Poor kid.

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

      someone needs to tell her to chill out
      she has no sense of court decorum

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      • KA says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm

        She is a delayed high school student. She acts her age and position. It seems she is being punished for talking to Trayvon. Her life is changed forever thanks to GZ and his followers. .

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        • Tzar says:
          June 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm

          I know but mom/dad need to sit her down and let her know to take it easy and not put so much pressure on herself
          she needs to know that this is West’s game to get he mad and discombobulated on the stand
          She needs to keep her answers shot and sweet
          yes, no, don’t know
          make him work for your words

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

        She is a teen and have not been is a court room before. What do you expect.

        This kid is having to relive her friend’s death.

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      • Dee says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

        Because she has never been in court before, don’t you think the judge would have told her something by now. You have to get on the level of people. You may know better. She doesn’t. She is easily with them asking her things, but one thing she knows is what happened on that phone between her a Trayvon and really that’s all she needs to be sure of, that alone will put Zimmerman behind bars. She may be the truthfulness witness up there in the jury eyes.

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      • looolooo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

        Ditto Tzar! Just what I’ve been trying to say. Thankfully your comments have been recieved more favorably than mine have. I’m jealous. šŸ˜¦

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    • fauxmccoy says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

      this judge has serious education in psychology and worked with juvenile court for many years. i have no doubt that she understands what is going on, will do her best to follow the law and be kind to this witness. witness also seems to be clearly under guard with an appointed deputy.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm

        faux mccoy~ actually I heard JN speak to Dee Dee and each time it was in a quiet, kind voice. She can’t be seen as playing favorites, but I DO believe JN will put safeguards in place for Dee Dee.

        ________________________________

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  105. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    JN said “WHAT?”

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  106. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    What? I love Rachel!!! “What?” Bwahahahaha!

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  107. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    “WHAT?!”

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  108. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    you reading it, lmao! this girl is killing me!

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  109. Leisa says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    She has lost her patience with West.

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  110. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    She’s getting visibly pissed at West

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  111. ada4750 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    This is disgusting. The deposition had the main purpose to confuse and use it after. Was there any neutral witness at her deposition?

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  112. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    No. I’m leavin’ today.

    Reply
    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

      Yes, she REALLY wanted to leave today. It’s stressful, painful, embarrassing, demeaning, frustrating and absolutely NO FUN.

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  113. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    OMG they need to just let her go. Fogen shot Trayvon not Rachel.

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  114. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    She has no problem being direct and to the point with W

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  115. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    She said, “I am finishing today”.

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  116. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Are you listening?

    Rachel can’t figure out that he’s not. She’s getting really tired and testy. I think her emotional and intellectual age is no more then 12.

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  117. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “Are you listening?” SCHOOL him! WHAT IS THE ISSUE with West? She can’t be credibly impeached.

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  118. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    This is a Charles Ramsey type interview and she is being truth.

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  119. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Rachel to West “I had told you … you listening? ” LOL LOL LOL

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  120. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Rapping those “court nails” for emphasis – GO RACHEL!!! (Ms. Jeantel if you’re nasty!)

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  121. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    It appears the defense deliberately split this girl’s deposition in an effort to trip her up.

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  122. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Are you listening?

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  123. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I had told you .. are you listening

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  124. Tonya Bouie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    he is going to impeach her…. omg im pissed how could she do this????????

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      MAYBE cuz WEST is being a conniving snake?? Dee Dee is being truthful so DON’T pick on her!

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm

      How could she do what? She hasn’t done anything.

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      • Tonya Bouie says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm

        no im sorry but she was very in other words ignorant im a AA female …. I believe that she will be impeached im at lost for words this is a MURDER trial I can imagine how tracy and sybrina felt

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

          begone troll! Your as much a female AA as I am, which is to say NOT AT ALL. Dee Dee did just fine. In fact HER language is better than yours.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm

        She will not be “impeached.”
        They’ll try to say she told two different stories but she didn’t; she told ONE.

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        • jm says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

          I don’t get how West can threaten impeachment. Is it because she said she was not sure it was Trayvon previously and today she said it was him.

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  125. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Does it really matter how Zimmerman answered the question when Trayvon said “Why are you following me?”…. The point is Fogen was FOLLOWING Trayvon.

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  126. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I hope the defense keeps in mind that by crucifying a witness for not remembering word for word what they said, they’re making it that much harder for their client, who has told several different versions of the same story.

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  127. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    “What?” Let ’em know you are messing with you! What a DICK West is.

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  128. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Did MOM give the treepers a copy of her depo?

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  129. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    @Smokeegyrl:

    What kind of computer do you have and how do you sync in the video and audio? Thanks.

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  130. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    I think west is confusing her.

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  131. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    he’s likely picking out minor differences in what she’s said was exchanged by the two parties.

    looks like west has highlighted a partial answer she gave at deposition, a matter thata BDLR feels she addressed more fully soon after.

    it’s a bullshit argument here. West is nit picking.

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  132. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Great just in time for me to sign back on for work. What a dick West is.

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  133. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    if he hands her a transcript I hope she tells him to go screw himself.

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  134. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    ‘ol fogen looks like he’s getting nervous……..

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  135. sparger says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    I love Rachel. At first I wasn’t too sure. She is not smart enough to tell a pack of lies and not get tripped up. I am sure the jury can see that the girl is telling the truth.

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  136. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Fogen just wipes his forehead and snout as jurors arrive.

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  137. tonydphotog says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Now I understand why the defense asked the treeslum to let them know if any witness’ testimony differs from their original statement.

    It’s just sick!

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  138. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    GZ has a new job, water boy, filling glasses for everybody at his tables. For the benefit of his ‘good’ guy image for the jury no doubt.

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  139. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I bet BDLR and team were LBO at W getting schooled by a 19 yr old. They knew Rachel was feisty and could hold her own.

    Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:01 pm

      Yeah … bet BDLR and Associates are now better schooled in current Miami teen talk.

      Fogen’s “homie” talk a hoot.

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  140. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    and oh my goodness get the fuck over it

    I have understood every single thing this girl has said and had no hearing problem what so ever with her soft voice

    west is using this to try and make her feel as though something is wrong with her he keeps trying to stick it to her well, thank goodness she is sticking him back!!!

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  141. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Oh, I see we are showing some decolletage today on the defense side. Doubt that cuts ice with jury ladies.

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  142. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    west ran out the clock hoping to get Rachel/W8 to be called back for a second day, to badger her.

    despicable. The prosecution should push to finish.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      willisnewton~ AGREE. Instead Dee Dee blurted out her exasperation with the thought of ANOTHER 2 hours talking to a 3 year old child called Don West! Good thing they stopped. She can regain her composure and have someone help her deal with tomorrow.

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  143. Beverly says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    And they expected her to call LE and offer all her information that she didn’t even want to talk about; there are lots of folks who do not ever want to call the cops. She saying that she did not know to do that.

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      Those people who don’t want to call the cops are called “minorities.” Also known as people who get PROFILED by cops and don’t trust the system to work out in their favor because of centuries of oppression.

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      • Sophia33 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        Which is why I get pissed with Zimmerman fans who say that if Trayvon was scared he should have called the police. They aren’t taking what you said willis into account.

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      • Beverly says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm

        And we are seeing all those issues live. I never realized how learned one has to be about Court. I have been hit in the head about education, however. Im sort of wondering at some of what I have not understood deeply enough. This woman was lost, and there did not seem to be a way to give her relief. Im sick at heart.

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      • SoulSistaWoo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm

        EXACTLY! They continue to ask why Trayvon did not call the Cops… Becasue Black Males and the Police do not have a Leave IT to Beaver history and relationship… But if you did not grow up as a Black man in America you can not relate to that.

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      • lurker says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

        Not to mention, Rachel and Trayvon were both essentially teenagers. Teens believe themselves to be invulnerable, they lack all kinds of knowledge and life experiences. And being followed is a fairly ambiguous situation. Creepiness is ambiguous. Adult predators frequently make use of this ambiguity, minimizing instinctual fears and cautions over time through a “grooming” process. It is really hard to both trust that something is wrong and to explain to an adult authority what it is that is wrong.

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  144. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Analyst on my live link is saying she is believable because it’s obvious she wasn’t coached, and I fully agree. What a great day today for the prosecution!

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  145. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Aye Yi yi Yi Yi Yi Yi… Lord Help her… Pleaseeeeeeeeee help her… She was getting frustrated with West… she wanted him to stop… it looks like she was going to tell him what he wanted to hear hear..

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      Oh I doubt she’s gonna tell him what he wants to hear. But she might tell him what he does NOT want to hear, and perhaps in no uncertain terms.

      Reply
  146. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    O’Dirty has over what, a month, to depo Mr. Crump but hasn’t. The Wiester and O’Dirty had Mr. Crump kicked out of the courtroom Monday. Now The Wiester is trying to impeach Miss Rachel’s testimony.

    Gimmie a break.

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  147. bettykath says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I think the tape they got from ABC has more information it than the one Crump did. They recorded everything, Crump turned the tape off and spoke to her “on the side”. ABC kept their recorder running. Maybe there is something that Crump coached her to say.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      No. bk. They took one of several breaks to try to get better audio from the speakerphone, and when they resumed, Crump forgot to turn his recorder on. He realized that, and asked her to restart. In the ABC clip, you can hear him count down 1 2 3 to the point where he turns his mini-corder back on. Read my post above. There was no unethical “coaching.”

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      IIRC, a few months ago it was reported that ABC no longer have a copy of the tape. Don’t know if that means they got rid of original and copies.

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  148. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Rachel has always maintained that Trayvon was being followed. Rachel has always maintained that Trayvon was trying to get away from zimmerass. Rachel has always maintained Trayvon thought he lost zimmerass. Rachel has always maintained she heard some heavy breathing old man say “What are you doing around here?”

    Rachel has never wanted to be THE LAST PERSON Trayvon spoke to. Rachel has never wanted to believe her life long friend was gone. Rachel has never wanted to face the fact that her friend was horrifically murdered. She has not been ready and I feel is still not ready but being forced.

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  149. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    W has been cross examining Rachel since about 1:40-42 How long is this child going to have to answer this fools repetitive questions.

    Has anyone noticed W is not concentrating on his client only on Crump?

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  150. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I don’t blame DeeDee for not wanting to be involved PERIOD! Her friend was just murdered and THEM BOYZ were tryna cover it up.. GTFOHWTBS

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  151. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    They are going to have to go back to the rotten-audio Crump tape to deal with this supposed impeachment. Rachel DID say something else than what she said today, quoting Trayvon, in the clip from ABC, BUT she was paraphrasing. She had said the quote exactly as she said it today BEFORE that point, and it’s on the recording, albeit hard to hear. Crump reminded her to go back to her previous wording, and the defense is going to argue that he was putting words in her mouth. You need the whole recording, the ABC clip is out of context. I sure as shit hope BDLR is prepared for this.

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  152. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Professor Leatherman! Calling Professor Leatherman!

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  153. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Impeach WHAT exactly?

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  154. tchoupicaillou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Did DD say that she did not care about the 1st interview. I’m working listening on & off in parallel.
    If she did then did she kill her testimony?

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    • amsterdam1234 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      The Crump interview was not under oath. I don’t think she will be impeached.

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      I think it was her stating her own feelings, not her actions. She did not want the interview with Crump and write a letter instead. She did not change her story at all except the hospital and that was explained and not material.

      She is talking “teen” talk, not lawyer speak.

      They don’t “care” about Math, but they still turn in their Math homework…

      Teen talk.

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    • tchoupicaillou says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      She did not say she rushed the interview because she did not want to be there as an excuse for changing some of her story.

      If she did then I’m afraid she gave defense the best present they could dream of. They will come back and say: “See, she admitted that her testimony isn’t worth anything because she did not care a bit”.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      Not at all. She was right; what did she care about some lawyer and his newspaper and so forth? SHE only cares about REAL things. She cared about Trayvon. She’s not a publicity hound and she’s not interested in the “ramifications” of anything; she loved Trayvon and he’s gone and that’s the story and she is definitely sticking to it.

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  155. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    This was good, man I needed popcorn for this. This young girl STOOD HER GROUND today she couldn’t help Trayvon that night but God has given her the strength, & the Witt to help I’m now. I know west want to spit!

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  156. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Does anyone know what could used to impeach her from the ABC report?

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      Maybe she signed a release that she didn’t understand?

      Reply
    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm

      I am baffled.

      Reply
    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      The TL section concerning DD has a thread precisely analysing the ABC and BDLR and Crump interviews IIRC and am going to try to check it out tonight because I believe there was something she says slightly differently about the exchange between GZ and Trayvon, or perhaps because of something they concluded Crump coached her.

      Yeah, coached her ! The only thing you could “coach” Racheal to do is to answer questions, if she wants, and to not get up and walk out. IMO she hasn’t the capacity to lie as she would soon be tripped up and they just spent hours trying that with 0 result.

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      • lurker says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:28 pm

        Agreed.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

        No way to impeach her — she’s solid & she’s not playing any games. They can prove she said ABCDE one time and CDEBA another but she has all the facts down pat, she’s right about them, they fit with the physical evidence, and she’s nobody’s fool.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm

          Malisha~ Drilled on target! Well said. If I were on the jury, that is what I would be looking for; the OBVIOUS lies and not the small paraphrasing on a central truth.

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  157. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    This is bullshit. Asking this girl questions about Crump etc etc.

    I don’t blame her, why does she have to care about Crump crazy phone idea?

    Good grief.

    and don’t worry Don we’ll get to what your boy exactly said in his interviews, yeah we’ll get to that later

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  158. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Nobody is going to understand What Dee Dee is saying… When Trayvon Martin was killed and she had to find out about it later… she didn’t want to talk to anybody not Crump… not anybody… what part doesn’t anybody understand… Her friend was taken from her… People are going to take this and run amuck with this as some crazy shit… and it pisses me off..

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      Yep. As adults we do not understand kids/teens. The one thing I do know, they process death totally different. They need to back off.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

      smokeegyrl~ I agree 100%! I understand her all the way. When I lose a pet, I’m the same way. When my dad died, I hid out for awhile. It’s called “GRIEVING.”

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    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      I understand per perfectly, and from the look on everyone’s face, people in the courtroom understood her too.

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    • looolooo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      Exactly smokeegyrl. That’s what I’ve been trying to say in my previous comments.

      Reply
  159. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    There will be DeeDee videos on YouTube similar to Charles Ramsey and the “Aint’t nobody got time for that!” lady. This is tooo good!

    Reply
    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      Probably so, but I think thats exploitative & sad. She will be made fun of because she is trying to help get justice for her murdered friend? Uncool.

      Reply
  160. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    pure anger in gz’s face, not immediately before the camera cut off, but just prior to that in the last minute or so. His eyes were squinted and his mouth was tightened up. Never saw that before with him.

    (this was as jurors were moving out. Then his expression changed to his normal controlled expression.

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

      didn’tnotice when this started, but he was standing when I noticed)

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm

      ay2z … Thanks for noting. Will go back tonight to catch. Maybe his meds are wearing off?

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm

      I saw it too. I bet the increase his meds. PO’d big time. Miss Rachel got him scared.

      Reply
      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:51 pm

        She got him MAD. he got REAL on him. She said, “You got to understand.” She was not subservient. She didn’t buckle.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm

          Malisha~ Probably she’s another suspicious person up to no good who doesn’t bend to his authority. Guess he’ll have to shoot her, too.

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  161. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    He’s trying to say that she laid about what she told Crump after Trayvon said why you following me, but that’s crazy because Zimmerman backed up what she said in his own word in ” one ” of his stories of what happened that night. So she didn’t go into detail with Crump but with BDLR she didn’t want to be apart of this she’s said that maybe 100 times now.

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  162. looolooo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Sabrina and Tracy look worried. And they have good reason. Rachel/DeeDee has proven to be a “TRAIN WRECK” Yikes!

    I was afraid this could happen. She’s (IMO) telling the whole truth, but she’s peppering it with MAJOR attitude. The jury will judge Trayvon by this friend he hung around with. Who wouldn’t?

    Did BdlR know that she was this way? He’s gotta be sweating bullets!
    I’m terrified.

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    • MichelleO says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      Well, if they are that juvenile and superficial, the hell with them. There’s nothing wrong with this girl. Sure, she’s no mainstream dream, but she’s more real than you’ve seen anybody be on television in a very long time. She’s just tells it like it is and let’s the chips fall where they may. I prefer people like this.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      don’t be a fool. The entire testimony was genuine and heart wrenching. Or were you watching something else?

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      Are we watching the same trial?? She has been a GREAT witness for the state! Even the TV analysts are saying so, and it’s also all over twitter. This girl nailed it! It’s the defense who is shitting themselves, along with their guilty client!

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      Not what I’m getting… I think the attitude is warranted.. The meat of her testimony is solid and I think the jury sees that West is bull shitting and Rachel don’t take no mess… she is awesome, just my opinion…. anyone gives her reason to be angry and treat the people hostile who are helping the man who killed her friend…

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:46 pm

      nooonooo looolooo

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      I think you must be watching it on the same channel as the outhouse is tuned in on, because I’m seeing an entirely different testimony than you (and they) apparently are.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      looolooo — You wish, perhaps? Yet you are soooosooooo wrong.

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    • Puck says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

      GTFO troll

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      • looolooo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm

        So now I’m a troll? Come on Puck. You may disagree with me on this one, but I’m NO TROLL!

        I’m a BILLION percent PRO Trayvon. Always have been, always will be.

        And your mean comments about me HURT.

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    • Joseph Norton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      Be serious now,Sabrina and Tracy are sad because their son
      was murderer by a coward grown up man.
      The State have evidence and forensic to imprison the child killer for life!
      Why BDLR need to be terrified?
      The one terrified is the child killer,eh!

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    • looolooo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm

      Whoa. Didn’t know I’d ruffle so many feathers. Like I said, I believe she’s telling the WHOLE TRUTH, but her attitude needs checking. She’s a very young black girl, who’s overweight, poorly educated, and I fear…… she won’t garner much empathy from the jury. In other words, she’s a walking, talking negative AA female stereotype. And she WILL be judged as such. Look how Trayvon’s being portrayed. How about President Obama? Get where I’m going with this.

      Even though it’s the truth, she should’ve know better than to mention the “crazy ass cracker” or Trayvon’s calling fogen “nigga”. Even though it’s the truth.

      Like you all, I too like her candor, and honesty, but……..

      Hoodies (still) up

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm

        REALLY? We have NO idea what the JURY looks like! They might be ALL overweight stereotypical white folks!

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      • Joseph Norton says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:20 pm

        Again,the state have evidence to imprison the child killer for life!What Obama got to do with the child killer murdering Martin.!Go ruffle feathers to the monkey house!

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      • lurker says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

        I suspect that BDLR took into account who she is and how she sounds in putting her on this early in the trial. I recall the professor suggesting her near the end for the emotionalism of it all. I think that this way the jury can put aside the attitude and recall that she testified that Trayvon was scared, that she thought that the screams sounded like him and that he asked Zimmerman why he was following him.

        They jury may well take a liking to her, I don’t know. I have certainly been enjoying her.

        We know from the phone records that she WAS speaking to Trayvon, and she certainly did not seek out the spotlight. She wasn’t leading any parades.

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      • looolooo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:35 pm

        In the future I’ll be sure to put aside my right as a natural born American citizen to have a “slightly” different opinion of any given subject. At least here with “some” of my fellow Team Trayvon members.

        OMG

        p.s. I’m also an AA female, just not quite as young. We’re judged very differently/harshly than other ethnicities. Hence one main reason for this blog site.

        If I’ve affended anyone, it was not my intention, I was just speaking my mind and concerns.

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      • MedicineBear says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

        She “WILL” be judged? YOU are judging her. Get over your stereotypical disrespectful self!

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      • aussie says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm

        Don’t forget the jury was questioned by the same West. And clearly annoyed by him but not in a position to say so. I bet they are applauding her for standing up to his BS.

        And not taking it lying down, not being conned into changing her story, is making her look more and more truthful, while his trying to trip her up is making him look nasty.

        I don’t think she’s harmed the case at all. Even not santising the words used goes to truth and reality, and shows she was in no way coached.

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      • PiranhaMom says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:21 pm

        @looolooo,

        You are transparent, and it ain’t pretty,

        We know a pack of you have been dispatched from the CrudHouse to ragg on us, Y’all write alike, so it’s just one demented fuzzball – we know.

        And knock off that smarmy “support” for Trayvon. I don’t want your dirty mind sullying his name.

        Go back to your own cesspool.

        You’re a Maggot for Fogen.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      “Judging Trayvon” is not the name of the game. That’s the game that Fogen was playing on 2/26/2012.

      Rachel did not ask to be involved in a murder trial; she had no idea her good friend would be murdered. She was fine and there was no serious problem with ANY of her testimony. She cannot “not have attitude” if she has attitude but I believe her attitude was not only justifiable, it was a reality check for the jury.

      As in:

      Is this trial an outrage because a guy should be allowed to kill a kid he takes a dislike to? Or is this trial an outrage because it is so obvious the defendant murdered an innocent teen-ager that he should have pled guilty right away and thrown himself on the mercy of the court?

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  163. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    I don’t know about you all but when im on my cell phone and it keeps losing signal I stop where I am and I stop moving my head around I stop. that way I don’t keep losing signal after I get it reconnected so there is your fricking 35 to 40 minutes west you dumb ass

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  164. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    sidebar? looks like a hearing.

    I think the defense wants to “impeach” the witness on a minor change in testimony – the EXACT wording she recalls GZ used when they met. She’s been asked to recall it two times, and the exact wording wasnt the same.

    the prosecution probably made a motion, or else the defense made a motion and the prosecution wants to respond?’

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  165. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    For the 1st time EVER fogen looks worried!

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  166. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    When your client is guilty as hell, you gotta vilify somebody. Crump has been a target. Yet Rachel/Dee-Dee/Wit 8 is brilliantly separating herself from anyone … Crump, Sybrina, cops, the State, and setting herself up as a stand-alone witness …. nobody’s patsy.

    Hoodies up

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

      Yep!
      Although I don’t see what the big deal is with Crump? What did he do wrong?? Fogen is on trial here not Crump or anyone else.

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    • tashatexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      The girl is telling the truth as she heard it that night and truth trumps bullshyt all day, everyday.

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  167. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    What the hell just happened.

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  168. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Badgers….

    There’s a short ad, but it’s weird enough to be well worth it.
    Most of you may have seen this before.

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  169. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    This BS from West needs to stop. What the hell is wrong with the state and the judge?

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  170. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    CRUMP! Are those morons still going for CRUMP??

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      I don’t know, but they have her kind of freaked out I think. I wish someone could just kind of give her a smile at least and let her know that she’s doing fine and West is just being an asshole.

      Oh it figures, a recess now when I’ have no work for 1/2 hour.

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  171. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    The audio is out of sync with the video at nbcnews. Are others having the same problem?

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  172. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    the defense did NOT get this portion from ABC, per se. They asked for it, but ABC made it PUBLIC first.

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  173. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    This is going to be a feature film, and people will be playing videos of this testimony decades from now.

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  174. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    What is the impeachment?

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  175. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    “Nobody wants to be in a closet that long”! Line of the day

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  176. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    What is he doing?

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  177. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Question comes to mind, RJ was born in Haiti, what age was she when she left, and what exposure to the conditions in Haiti, possibly seeing things a child should not see, that have had an impact on her? Death, looking at bodies, being behind in school, having a speech impediment, (she made a comment that sounded like she was sensitive about her voice being heard).

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      I took that to mean she didn’t want anyone she knows to recognize her, but it really doesn’t make any difference. She is a kid, and you know how kids are at that age. Geez. That poor girl.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      She was born in Miami. It was the first question BDLR asked after she spelled her name.

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      • Trained Observer says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm

        Right, Nef. Born in Miami. Her mother was born on island of Haiti and Dominican Republic. This established at the get-go of her testimony.

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    • elcymoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      Did I misuderstand her? I thought it was her mother who was born in Haiti, and that she was born and grew up in Miami.

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    • diary73 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

      She said she was born in Miami.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

        She was born and raised in Miami, he mother is from Haiti she also mentioned the Dominican Republic, with her mother being from Haiti maybe her father is Dominican. She said she was raised by her mother.

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

      I don’t think that’s a speech impediment. It’s a dialect. I know a black family that came from rural Florida. Same speech patterns.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:46 pm

        I said the same thing when her interview with Mr. Crump was made public. I could tell from her speech pattern that she had roots in the caribbean.

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  178. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Mr. Don needs to wrap this up. Rachel could go toe to toe with him all night.

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  179. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Oh, my. I do think that the jury is going to like Rachel. She cuts through the mess.

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  180. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    So he’s trying to impeach her testimony?

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  181. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Impeachment??
    Fuck him, it will never work!

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  182. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    @Lurker
    ā€œWhen you didnā€™t want to interview me . . .ā€

    I stepped away for a minute. Was she talking to W when she said that?

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      Indeed she was, Woow!

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      Yes, she was correcting him on an interview date. I think that she was referring to the day that they were waiting for JN to rule on the use of video. She must have had to sit waiting all day and then they rescheduled.

      West made it sound like just a scheduling error. But she is really precise with regard to dates.

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  183. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    What did the blonde just whisper into Fogen’s ear?

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  184. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “Crump interview didn’t mean nothing to me!”

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  185. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    holy fuck
    this is a twilight zone

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  186. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    She sat in the closet and talked to Mr Crump.

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  187. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    West is not getting anywhere with Dee Dee. This lady is a tough cookie. She is really kicking West’s butt.

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  188. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Did she just give him sh about his schedule.

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  189. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    ROTFLMBO!!!!! Oh, Miss Rachel! Girl YOU ROCK!!! So Mr. Don can’t remember his dates!

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  190. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Rachel sassing West. Amazing.

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  191. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    The past year should be an indicator to West that going after Crump is a waste of time. Other than constantly highlighting the fact that she lied a couple times, he’s going nowhere.

    When is he going to talk about what happened the night in question?

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  192. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Tracy got a smile from that. I’m glad.

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  193. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    omg I am rolling over here, she is pointing out what assholes they are, this is priceless!! HAHAHA

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  194. bettykath says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Rachel spanks West! love it

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  195. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Is Tracy laughing?

    She is schooling Don West.

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  196. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    “When you didn’t want to interview me . . .”

    LOL!

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  197. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    please tell me what the fuck is West doing?

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  198. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    She’s proving to West and everyone else she remembers details

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  199. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Where is he going…who cares if they text? They are teens. My kid once (when I had a 1000 text limit) texted over 5000 texts in a month.

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  200. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    dear god west — my 15 year old had 4k text messages on one month’s phone bill! he’s clueless. (and i’m thankful i have unlimited messaging)

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  201. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Friends, West, get it? Just friends?

    Ooh, ooh, bonus. She just explained how she and her friends use each other’s phones to text one another!

    Goes to authentication, if they ever want to bring Trayvon’s texts into court.

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  202. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Got dammit, West! Rachel said it seemed like there was a relationship between her and Trayvon because of the text messages between them.

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  203. Donna Flores says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Well after her testimony, I believe Zimmerman parked at the front of the clubhouse, and was walking around spying on Trayvon while he was at the mailboxes, which is why he was captured on the clubhouse cameras.

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  204. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    like many teens they probably shared text messages that mentioned teen sex. Not between each other, but colorful language. DeeDee/W8/ rachel didn’t want the parents to see the text messages.

    She’s saying that OTHER girls used HER phone to send text messages. So she can’t be responsible for everythign said.

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  205. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    oh my hell Bernie say something please good grief stop this bull shit

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  206. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    That little girl has made my day very happy. I’m sure Trayvon’s parents want to give her the biggest hug ever.

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  207. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Phone pals. Idiot. Get the phug out of here. I suppose West wasn’t so lucky in life to have friends.

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  208. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    She had a crush on him.

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  209. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    O’Dirty went to her FB page, that’s why she was asked if she also went by the name “Diamond” or “DeeDee”.

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  210. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Ok, West is now looking for his next client… help her sue Crump for not getting her permission to air the recorded conversation to the media !

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  211. Mary Davis says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    LOL. I love this baby girl. She is driving them crazy.

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  212. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    JN to West: “You can’t object to your own question.”
    LMAO

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

      OOOH I bet JN could KICK herself now because she SHOULD have said: “You can’t object to your own question. But overruled, anyway.”

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  213. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    It says a lot about Trayvon that he was a good friend to this girl

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  214. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I wish that West would shut up! He is getting on my last nerve.

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  215. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    oh my goodness how many times does she has to tell him she don’t fucking watch the tv news

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  216. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “I was just worried about my voice” lol

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  217. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    this young woman is not stupid, she is inarticulate as i have always maintained and has a dialect of the Caribbean islands, but she is not stupid.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

      And yet even contributors to this blog have tried to paint her as everything from mentally deficient to having a speech disorder.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm

        And nothing could be farther from the truth. There is nothing wrong with her speech, nor is she mentally deficient.

        I would imagine these same people would say the same things about Geechees who speak gullah language. They are some of the first people to arrive in this country as early as the colonial days, and even after many generations, their syntax still remains strong.

        However, to people living outside the geographical area of Geechees, especially those who have never interacted with them, would also think they have speech impediments or some type of mental deficencies. They do not.

        Not meaning to offend anybody, but unless you are of a very similar background, you are inclined to think something is wrong with a person whose cultural background is much different than your own.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm

          Sleuth~ Let me start by saying I love and respect you. Having said that, I DO think Dee Dee has some cognitive challenges and that comes from 20 years of teaching and reading people’s behaviors, NOT their language. Dee Dee had a great memory for dates and times. BUT she had great difficulty understanding abstract questions. I’ve said it before, it’s not an indication of a lack of intelligence (there are 8 kinds of native intelligences) but lacking in comprehension and abstract thought. Does it matter? OF COURSE NOT! She is brave, truthful, honest and sincere. As well as scared, intimidated and extremely frustrated. When I made my observation, it was nothing more than that. Judgements are placed by others or society. I’ve worked with children like these for decades, and I find them refreshing and open. But I think it remains that we be honest as well, to see that she needs protection and guidance even at an “adult” age of 19.

          ________________________________

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      faux mccoy~ not stupid but with cognitive issues. She’s a very concrete thinker which is what keeps her anchored.

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm

        there may be a learning disability there – my 12 year old is dyslexic, but smart as a whip. you’d never know that if you just read her writing though or looked at her spelling tests.

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      • Tzar says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm

        Sheā€™s a very concrete thinker which is what keeps her anchored..

        Bingo

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm

      Faux, neither of my partners severely learning difficulty sons are “stupid” if you were referring to that which I am sure you were not but just in case as I am a fervent defender here. Indeed in India they call people with such difficulties, “People with different abilities” which better explains them than our generally more derogatory terms.

      She is not stupid as you say but iIMO she does have mild to moderate learning difficulty, and in some areas of life skills these will be less pronounced and in others more as they are as many variations as there are people.

      She has one area well developed which I love, her cheekiness and she is running rings round West because of this and because she is telling the truth. Lying requires complex thought process and she is as innocent as they come! I adore her!

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

        as i said to cielo – based on my own experience with a brother and daughter with a learning disability, that is something that occurs to me, but it is not a reflection of intelligence.

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        • gbrbsb says:
          June 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

          I couldn’t imagine you were faux and absolutely no offence meant, really.

          With your own experience, you will know only too well, that there is so much misunderstanding and lack of knowledge on this that to me it comes naturally to immediately try to dispel any I can.

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          • fauxmccoy says:
            June 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

            likewise — it is my tendency challenge and confront any statements which may mischaracterize a learning disability and you must know that i’m not shy.

      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:00 pm

        gbrbsb~ EXACTLY! You captured what I was trying to say. No guile or masks.

        ________________________________

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:29 pm

        You can really tell why Trayvon chatted with her so much; she is clear-headed, fun and personable.

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  218. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    West goal is to go after the media and the so called ‘handlers’ through the witness and Mr. Crump. And via this get back to immunity somehow sometime in the future?

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  219. Mary Davis says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Notice how softly she speaks. She is not arrogant at all. She may have a speech disorder but she is believable and authentic.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      What speech disorder?

      (People seem to be piling on because she doesn’t sound like a graduate of Vassar or Miss Porter’s school or how many of us might sound. Geez … )

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      • dianetrotter says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm

        She does have a lisp. It was very noticeable when BDLR questioned her. I have one too! It drives me nuts. I’m too old for people to say, “Say that again! That’s was cute!”

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    • FactsFirst says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      DeeDee’s parents are from HAITI, DeeDee was born in MIAMI!

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  220. Sabrina B. says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Where is he going with this? Does he have her on Facebook bragging that she is going to be on TV?

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  221. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “Yes! I speak low!”

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  222. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    How is this relevant. Time to object BdlR.

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  223. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    What is the relevance of this interview and recording?

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

      It was an inquiry by the family of the slain teen to learn what happened, and then to continue to press for justice. he family by that time had lost faith in the local police and took the recording both to the media and also to the federal DoJ.

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  224. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Somebody please throw a rock at West’s head. Please stop him from talking.

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  225. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    West is not getting anywhere with her.

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  226. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Trayvon is smiling down on his friend because that little girl is going to send his killer to prison…yes

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  227. vickie s. votaw says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Racheal is awesome, thank you, Jesus!

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  228. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    You can’t make an objection to your own question lol!

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  229. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Hello Mr. Don.

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  230. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    She probably did not want her friends to know that she is older than they are.

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      she may have been held back in school.

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      • Trained Observer says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

        “held back” has a certain implication. She may have been out of school for any number of reasons … travel back to her mother’s homeland, illness, etc.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm

        I think it is a bit more than that willis… but isn’t she just so sweet, and Trayvon so sweet to befriend her because from experience I can tell you that is a big problem because most so called “normal” people are not that inclined afraid of the unknown. My cousin has even been insulted in shops because people don’t know she has learning difficulties and can’t help her strange way of being and talking.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:14 pm

        If I heard her correctly, her bday is Feb 1, not sure how it is in the south, but I’m in NJ, if she wasn’t 5 yr old at the time of registration for start of kindergarten in the fall, she would have to wait till next fall…so by next Feb she be turning 6.

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    • FactsFirst says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      yup especially since she’s behind in school…

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm

        Legally, you don’t have to start school until you’re seven in most states. That’s also possible for any number of reasons. Remember she’s known Trayvon “since kindergarten.”

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      Yes, but the held back in school thing could relate to language or her start in Haiti and the D-R. Jantelle (sp) sounds French, she may have arrived in the USA school system with French as her first language.

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      • ay2z says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

        And of course, Haiti is French speaking.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

        Haiti is Creole speaking, which is based on French.

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      • Dave says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        Most Haitians speak Creole which is related to French but pretty far removed from theFrench spoken in France or Quebec.

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm

        From my understanding, Haitians (French/Creole/pidgeon) & Dominicans are not sympatico. They share an island but are in denial about it. I know people from each side & they insult each other.

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      • Dave says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm

        I believe she said “Dominica” and somebody “corrected” her saying “Dominican Republic? ” and she mumbled something that sounded vaguely like agreement. (For the geographically challenged, Dominica and the Dominican Republic are different countries.)

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    • Tee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      You’re right professor. & I say that west need to leave it alone I know that’s all he have but this young lady is not going to give him room to impeach her she very believable, she’s a very powerful witness, she had me in tears.

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    • shannoninmiami says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      YES! I thought of that instantly because i failed the 3rd grade and thanked god we moved that year to GA so no one knew! and back then i was very embarrassed about it!

      i did have a pretty bad speech impediment but they were wrong about dyslexia!

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  231. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Poor west, what’s he speaking about, maybe he’s upset that he can’t get the witness to lie about her lie instead of telling the truth? šŸ˜‰

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  232. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    This young lady has no guile whatsoever.

    I think BDLR may be letting this run because West is digging GZ’s own grave here. The jury is probably getting glassy-eyed at this point, and will have the last line of her direct echoing in their head.

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  233. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “You can’t make an objection to your own question.” Where the hell did West get his law degree? Did he mail in 30 Cheerios Box tops for his diploma? I can’t believe this guy is a top defense attorney. He seems completely inept.

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      He’s finally got his first ever 1 million dollar bond. Proudly he said that to cameras when he first came onto the case.

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  234. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I do believe that she is a sympathetic witness. She is sticking to her story and working very hard to help West understand what actually happened.

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  235. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Finally an objection! How many times does she have to answer the same question? Geez Louise!

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  236. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    You can’t make an objection to your own question.
    Bwahhh.
    You can’t make this stuff up.

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  237. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    JN to WEST.

    Quote ” You can’t make an objection to your own question.”

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  238. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    lol JN to west: you can’t make an objection to your own question!!!!

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  239. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    JN is getting peeved at West…

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      Yep & I have seldom seen a more patient person. Its about time she got tired of their underhanded crap. I wish I had her patience.

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  240. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    You can’t make a speaking objection to your own question! roflmao

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  241. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Did he just object to his own question?

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  242. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    this little girl knows what we all know West is a dick and hurry the F up with the questions. it took a kid to say what we all are thinking

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      West is getting smacked down by Rachael and Judge Nelson. I don’t think anyone likes him and I am sure the jury notices.

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  243. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    And I’m sure those women of the jury understand why Miss Rachel felt she had to lie to Ms. Fulton.

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  244. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    I don’t detect any special needs. As she continues, she is more relaxed and confident. Her sentences and phrases are making more sense.

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      seems like a normal kid to me. And she’s credible. GZ is not. That’s the take-away.

      Reply
    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      dianetrotter~ It’s there. She has difficulty processing information and analyzing it. She would rather just tell what she knows and not try any “what if” scenarios.

      Reply
    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

      For one, she has strange sentence phrases & very limited vocabulary. It could partially come from her family who is new to English. But she also seems like she has been in the states her whole life. She could be dyslexic or have some other kind of learning disability. I’d bet she isn’t very close to her grade level in reading ability.

      Reply
      • Cercando Luce says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

        I wonder if that’s why she had help writing a letter to Sybrina, and whether West’s insistence that she quickly read various documents feels harassing to her.

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      • dianetrotter says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm

        I teach music. Now I am required to teach support English because of low literacy skills. An administrator told me, “You can’t teach! You can teach music but you can’t teach. You can’t teach English.” I corrected his written evaluation and wrote a rebuttal. There is a learning crisis and all teachers are required to teach literacy. Imagine writing in PE. I’m sure cielo62 knows what I’m talking about.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

          diane trotter~ ABSOLUTELY, Diane! There is a HUGE crisis in education and it ISN’T the teachers’ fault. Some states, like FL and LA have a very low standard for a regular education.

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  245. Stormwatch says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    From the mouths of babes.

    Reply
  246. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I love the way she keeps saying he was being followed.

    Reply
    • Judy A Vallejos says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      YES!!!!!That is all she told Sybrina. Not all the details just that Trayvon was being, (pay attention dumb west and oh ass)in a nut shell TRAYVON WAS BEING FOLLOWED THAT NIGHT WHILE SHE WAS TALKING TO HIM ON THE PHONE!!!!!

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  247. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Do not feed the trolls. At least two here right now.

    Reply
  248. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Oh West, give it up!

    Reply
  249. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    What is this relevance? I am confused now!

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  250. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    No! You got to understand.”

    West doesn’t.

    Reply
    • MrSykes says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      Her raw candor is refreshing.

      Reply
      • Tzar says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm

        that is the insurmountable challenge that she represents as a witness to the defense, it almost makes her unimpeachable.
        the court room has undoubtedly reveals itself as controlled theater, or an exposition of sorts, to the uninitiated jury and today suddenly out of the doldrums of objections, sidebars and redirects, emerges a voice that is plainly raw and truthful. the jury will believe her to be a liar.
        She just needs to temper her temper a little bit and she will be fine

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  251. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    The plan it to attack the Martin’s attorney. As far as I know, the defense has not yet deposed him. What are they waiting for, today?

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  252. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    He won’t be able to impeach her… the jury won’t buy it.. he is trying to slip in that she is a liar, but I don’t see it working

    Reply
    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      I agree with you, but it’s not going to work. She is coming off as completely honest and credible as to the ONLY facts that matter.

      Reply
    • DruDo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      Five of the jurors are mothers. I can only imagine what they must be thinking about West trying to bully and intimidate this poor girl. I know how I would feel if that were my child being treated that way by some sleazy lawyer.

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  253. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Now i get “the lie”. She was just literally making an excuse as you and I would do if we didnt want to go to work without a valid reason. She didn’t want to talk to Sabrina so she was really avoiding the body and Sabrina.

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  254. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Rachel Jeantel to West: “You got to understand. You’re the last person to talk to him…You think I really want to see the body?”

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  255. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    She’s believable…youthful expressions and all…she is believable.

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  256. shannoninmiami says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Rachel is a devastating witness for the defense and west is dumb as a box of rocks!
    Thank you Rachel! Thank you Ben!

    Bubye zimmy pack your bags loser!

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      Devastating witness for the State.
      We accidentally say “defense” because we know that the State has to defend Trayvon Martin’s rights, his family’s right to justice, and the State’s right to make this a trial and not let it degenerate into a murderer’s bully pulpit.

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  257. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Rachel is breaking it down! BREAK IT DOWN!

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  258. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    West really doesn’t know how to shut up. He is really making it worse.

    Reply
  259. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “You have to understand–you have to understand!”

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  260. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Tell him Miss Rachel! He has definitely got to understand! Whup his arse girl.

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  261. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    West is pissing me off.

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  262. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Tell him DeeDee

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  263. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    West you DO NOT understand!

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  264. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Asked and answered, West, like every freakin’ other question you have asked.

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  265. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    THAT’S IT. THAT’S HE WAS BEING FOLLOWED!

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  266. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Nobody will doubt her truthfullnes. She is a killer witness for the prosecution.

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  267. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Rachel Jeantel says she avoided contact with Sybrina Fulton because she did not want to see her cry.

    Reply
  268. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    the meeting with Ms Fulton would make this all very real

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  269. Dee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Tracy cannot stop crying because he knows she is putting all kinds of doubt in the jury’s mind, because she is having trouble communicating what happened. West is having a field day with her.

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      I don’t agree..:)

      W is trying to use her to find out about Crump and his meeting with Tracy and Sabrina

      Remember the judge said those questions was off limits so he is using Rachel to try and extract info

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      BS.

      Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      No West isn’t having a field day. West is having a “looka , looka me spin my wheels day.”

      Reply
    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      Nope. She is running West right now. He bit off way, way, way more than he could chew.

      Reply
    • shannoninmiami says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

      whatttttttt!??? are you seeing the same thing??
      DD is REAL and she is TELLING exactly what happened and west is burying his own client deeper and deeper with every time she opens her mouth!

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      disagree. no one wants to see a plain truthful but simple person mislead by a snake. She’s crying because she wants justice, not sleaze.

      Reply
    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      Dee~ that’s an ignorant thing to say. WHAT doubt?? That Trayvon wasn’t afraid? That Trayvon managed to attack gz in spite of ALL the forensic evidence? There is NO DOUBT that Trayvon was afraid, ran away and was shocked when gz showed up again. VERY compelling testimony.

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      • Puck says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm

        Dee & IMBack are trolls.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

        I’m guessing it’s a troll(IMBack) exploiting the WP username issue I had that big fight with Unitron about, to post under a respected poster’s user name.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm

        If she is planting “doubt” in the jurors’ minds, everybody relax. BDLR will be able to dig up those “doubtlings” with no trouble. On the other hand, after her testimony, there can be no doubt that Trayvon was scared of Fogen, Fogen chased after him VERY DILIGENTLY and with an intent to absolutely NOT let “the asshole get away,” and that Fogen won the day by killing Rachel’s dear friend. Who said what to Crump or anyone else AFTER the killing can’t change any of that.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      IMBack is now exploiting the WP username issue to post with other poster’s names to further it’s *message*, as if it’s coming from respected post?

      Reply
    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      Dee, absolutely agree. I have even seen him smile several times affectionately between his sobs at her cheeky answers. He is crying out of relief… she is demonstrating what they always said. Trayvon was a good kid he befriended her which I can tell you is a special because my partner has two learning disabled sons and because so many “normal” people are scared of the unknown they have few friends and we have to pay for people to befriend them.

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      • parrot says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm

        Yes, he is, by turns, crying (when she broke down saying she didn’t want to see the body, “Don’t you understand.”) and laughing (when she sets West straight).

        This has been a roller coaster ride for him.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

        If in fact Tracy were upset about Rachel’s testimony being bad for the State, he would not be crying; his face would probably be tensed up in worry and he would be paying rapt attention.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      Good bye Dee.

      Reply
    • Nellie Nell says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      I thought Tracy was laughing or trying to shield a laugh.

      She was doing good until she said the Crump interview means nothing to her. That did not com across too good.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

        Nellie~ I understood that to mean that it didn’t impact what she felt about her guilt. I feel that she meant “It wasn’t really enough.”

        ________________________________

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    • IMBack says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm

      Dee you are not a TROLL. Its ok to have an opinion and its ok to disagree or see things from a different perspective than everyone else. Just because ppl don’t see things like you does not make them TROLL!

      Reply
  270. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Now West is trying to paint a picture that she was coerced?

    “So you were kind of caught in the middle …? “

    Reply
    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

      The middle of what?

      Halfway between some murderer and her dead friend?

      Wow, what a terrible place to be caught; how is it that she could have avoided having divided loyalties, huh?

      Reply
  271. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    BDLR should object

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  272. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    This is way beyond the scope of direct!
    And what the he** is the relevance, please?

    Don’t know why Bernie doesn’t object … unless he’s not at all afraid of what might come out. But the more she talks, the more risky that complications will arise for the prosecution – just because of a bunch of extraneous things West would like to bring out. (But it’s not his witness!)

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  273. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    West is pissing me off with this BS.

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  274. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    sounds to me like all she wanted was to wake up from this horrible dream

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  275. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    West is such a Hypocrite. Now because of his frustration and inability to catch her up in anything, he is going to allow a narrative!

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  276. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    She wanted no part of this.

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  277. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    I’m pretty sure she told Crump, ‘it’s NOT a racial thing…’

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  278. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Is Tracy crying out of frustration with Rachel? I think so. He appears afraid she is not coming across well

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      I don’t think so

      Reply
    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm

      He started crying when she talked about Trayvon being by his father’s house. She said she thought he would come out and help Trayvon. Been crying since then.

      Reply
    • MichelleO says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm

      She’s talking about his son’s last words and moments. That’s why he’s crying.

      Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      No. You are mistaken.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm

      I don’t think so. I think he is crying out of relief because after all the nastiness from the other side, the secrecy of her persona, etc. he sees her here testifying fabulously, with West unable to do anything but follow her lead, and he sees the fight is almost done. She is the perfect witness if ever there was one!

      Reply
    • IMBack says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      Sabrina and Tracys demeanor is speaking very loud to me like they thinks she is not a truthful person or maybe they dont think she is taking this serious enough.

      Reply
      • Puck says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        Well, no one seems to concur. *coughtrollcough*

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm

        It would seem to me that tears from a person (such as Tracy Martin) who has been in great emotional turmoil for over a year and who has had to control his sorrow, grief and outrage for so long might, at a certain point when witnessing an emotional scene, be weeping and sobbing without there being a simultaneous translation (for people who, after all, do not even know the man) interpreting his “reason” for the tears. I also think that it is presumptuous for us to try to assign our own “meaning” to his tears. The fact that he is in public and not able to call a halt to the proceedings to give him time to compose himself is, after all, not his fault.

        All I have for Tracy Martin right now is great empathy. May his tears help him come through this nightmare.

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    • IMBack says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      Im also thinking maybe the state told Sabrina and Tracy she can make or break the case and they don’t feel like she is doing well

      Reply
      • Puck says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:08 pm

        I’m thinking you’re full of it.

        Reply
      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:08 pm

        Fool. Go back to your rock.

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      • IMBack says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm

        why does everybody have to be a troll? I was honestly just asking a question! No Troll Patrolling you 2. Maybe you should be on neighborhood watch because you are apparently reporting a “suspicious troller” that was just asking and making an honest observation!

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm

          IMB~ BECAUSE your “observation” is TOTALLY bogus!! NOTHING you’ve “observed” has ANY basis in reality! Dee Dee has done a wonderful job. I’m sure Sybrina and Tracy are quite proud of her. Your foolishness makes you a troll, since it’s OBVIOUS you cannot see the positive contribution that young woman is making to nailing gz. So buzz off.

          ________________________________

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      • DruDo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:22 pm

        IMB—I’m thinking you’re in the wrong place.

        Reply
  279. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    She giving him a bit of his own medicine she’s young and working the hell out of him!

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  280. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    MAYBE Sabryna realized that Dee Dee needed some “support” in making a decision of this magnitude.

    Reply
  281. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Oh goodness…how many times I got to say it, “I don’t watch the news!” West has met his match. Lol

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  282. IMBack says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    West is getting dose of his own medicine!

    Reply
  283. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Wouldn’t surprise me if he, or O’Dirty start bringing up her FB page.

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      If they try to make it appear that his BFF, on the phone with him that night, should be an “objective” witness, they will look like bigger fools than they already do.

      I just love her to pieces!

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

        It’ all going to backfire. He was trying to stir up conflict between her and Sybrina. Camera showed them, they were trying very hard not to laugh at The Wiester. They deserve a big life at his expense.

        The Wiester is trying to make her out to be a liar. Even she knew that she was not under oath when she lied to Sybrina.

        My favorite pieces:

        “You can go. You can go…….You can go”
        “Are you listening?……Are you listening?”

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm

          Sleuth~ Took me a short bit to realize that she was giving him permission to carry on! LOL! Delicious!

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  284. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I HIGHLY DOUBT that Dee Dee would have the sophistication to find a racial bias for the shooting.

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  285. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Slap him AGAIN, Rachel!

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  286. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    object!!!!!!!

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  287. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    She said Rapist you idiot.. you know GZ is a RAPIST…duh

    Reply
  288. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Rachel to West: “I had TOLD you, I DON’T watch news.”

    Left unsaid: You asshole.

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  289. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    She is working so hard to help poor Mr. West understand. No way is she making anything up.

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  290. Nellie Nell says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    I love Rachel, she will not be duped by the bozo!

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  291. looolooo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    She NEEDS to ditch the attitude, and ONLY answer West’s questions. She thinks she’s smarter than him. Well, in some respects she is, but that’s another conversation for another time.

    Right now, she just needs to tell the truth, keep it short, and not give away ANYTHING that the defense can use against her. Trayvon’s counting on his ‘lifelong friend’.

    Hoodies up

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      I think it’s perfectly appropriate for her to express her exasperation with West for asking the same damn thing over&over&over&over.

      Reply
    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      She IS smarter than him! He played and portrayed this girl as a fool and she is playing him.

      Reply
    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      She is keeping the questions on relevant topics… I think the attitude is to be expected… she is speaking to a person defending the man who killed her friend.

      Reply
      • Nellie Nell says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

        That idiot handed her a paper of the calls, went through all 6 or 7 of them and then asked her about a time stamp not on the paper.

        The Wake had to be a challenge for her.

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    • Judy A Vallejos says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      all teenagers are smarter than everyone around them

      just saying

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      She is doing perfectly fine. This kid is only answering what she is being asked and if you ask some kids the same thing repeatedly they will get agitated with you.

      Don W is an ignorant fool. He can’t bully a beautiful young lady with a slight learning disability… classic this kid have great common sense.

      Reply
    • MrSykes says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      She’s doing fine. She is ingenuous and brutally raw. It is refreshing. And it is throwing West off.

      Reply
  292. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Slow, learning disabled, whatever… I love this girl, her honesty, and her impatience with West.

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  293. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    West is an IDIOT! She does NOT WATCH THE NEWS

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      Didn’t you just love that cielo, it was soooo beautiful, and he can’t get annoyed because he will be blasted by JN immediately.

      Reply
  294. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    “I had told you I do not watch the news!”

    She is sooo running this!

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  295. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Didn’t I tell you I do not watch the new!!!!!!! haaaahaaaa

    Reply
  296. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    She is your ideal juror West.

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  297. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    That Trayvon Martin would have had smart, sharp with-it friends should be no surprise to anyone.

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  298. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Teens do not watch the news West.

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  299. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    How many times does she have to say no? gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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  300. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Good Afternoon, Mr. Don. I’m ready for your crazy arse.

    Reply
  301. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “Nope” “Nope” STFU WEST!!

    BTW WHERE is all this bullshit leading??

    Reply
  302. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    West, you cannot change what she heard! So what if she didnā€™t call anyone? She still heard what she heard.

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  303. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Get him straight Miss Rachel. She is confusing the hell out The Wiester! ROTFLMBO!!!! After while he’ll be talking about somebody moving his stuff!

    Reply
  304. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Crying when I see Tracy breaking down.

    Enjoyed when Rachel said to West “you can go.”

    Reply
  305. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    None of their mud will stick to her. I am an atheist but If I believed in a god, I am watching his plan.

    Reply
  306. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Add to West’s Lessons Learned:

    It’s hard to “trip up” a witness who is not trying in the least to outsmart you!

    Reply
  307. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    she has this bull shit figured out and duh why wouldn’t the cops look at that damn phone and try to contact who was on it???? why didn’t they do that ????? get em Rachel you are doing great!!!!

    Reply
    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm

      I think that she has a fairly naive view of how things work–as is appropriate to someone of her age and so forth. And it would appear that she was working this all out on her own.

      Reply
    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      Exactly! Don’t ya know the jury’s wondering why the cops never contacted her, but Trayvon’s dad did!

      Reply
  308. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    She sounds a lot more lucid now than she did under BDLR’s questioning. I expect some flacc k over this, but I think she had a few drinks before court and they’re wearing off now.

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    • dianetrotter says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      She knows how to defend herself. This is a high school survival instinct.

      Reply
    • Judy A Vallejos says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

      I don’t think that at all Dave.

      I think she is sick to death of this bullshit and she wants to get through it.

      As a mother of two now grown teenagers I can say that they now have her attention and they have pissed her off. They become very clear when they are angry

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

      I think she’s just angry and sick of “Mr. Don”.

      Reply
    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      No flack. But I think she’s the fact she’s still totally unaware of the social mores is consistent with her stumbling. So no, I don’t think he’s had a bump, I think she’s just simple.

      West is interviewing the black female Forest Gump.

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  309. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I love this kid
    “do you watch first 48?”

    ha ha ha
    good luck making her look like a scheming liar West
    DeeDee could not plan a cookie heist

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  310. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I’m over here loving her I want to kiss her all of these adults let west bend them but this young girl won’t let him even get a inch. He’ll yeh!

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  311. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Oh damn! She is calling the SPD out and schooling Mr. Don. “Do you watch the First 48.”

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  312. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    GET IT RACHEL!!!! That’s right my baby stay strong and get JUSTICE for TRAYVON…

    Reply
  313. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    W is getting his azz handed to him by Rachel

    Reply
  314. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “Do you watch First 48?” That’s what cops do. Sweet baby.

    Reply
  315. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    She’s talking about how TV shows do things, isn’t she?

    My heart is aching for Sybrina and Tracy!!

    Reply
  316. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I am so proud of her now. She is just telling it like it is from a teenager’s point of truth.

    Reply
  317. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    LOL! SCHOOL that idiot about The First 48! I’m liking this Dee Dee!

    Reply
  318. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    she’s schooling west on bad SPD procedure! take that crypt keeper!

    Reply
  319. Denise says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Love this girl!

    Reply
  320. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “I thought that is what officers do. Do you watch “First 48”?

    In other words, the police didn’t do their job.

    Reply
  321. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    She’s shittin’ all over Mr. Don

    Reply
  322. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    West, idiot, GZ could have come up in-front of Trayvon, if he ran up RVC and cut through between the first or second set of houses… THAT IS STILL FOLLOWING EVEN IF NOT GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION !

    Reply
    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm

      That is what I have always thought happened.

      Reply
      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:09 pm

        Me too, I’ts only IMO but one of my pet theories is he got to RVC, looking to see if the “kid” was going towards the back gate and when he didn’t see him that is where he exclaims “He ran”. He then finished the NEN call, and then not seeing Trayvon scarpering towards the back gate he realised he must still be on the dog walk so he cut through in between one of the first sets of houses and met Trayvon coming forward.

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  323. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “Do you watch the First 48”
    lol!!!

    Reply
  324. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    I love that show First 48

    Reply
    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      Love Rachael. She is making me laugh now and it’s because she is giving West a hard time inadvertently. She made me cry and now I am laughing out loud with tears rolling down my cheeks.

      Reply
  325. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Wow – West is actually trying to be an ass! What is he thinking?

    And he can’t pull anything on Rachel.

    And poor Tracy’s been sobbing in his lap.

    Reply
    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      But I’ve also seen him smile affectionately at her “antics” and maybe he’s sobbing because he realises there ain’t nothing he can do with this innocent child.

      Reply
    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

      URGEN ERRATA

      I meant maybe he’s sobbing because he realises there ain’t nothing THE DEFENCE CAN DO with this innocent child.

      Sobbing with relief after all the nastiness about her… she is a trump card for the prosecution. People of her abilities are not liars, they don’t know how, they don’t have the complex thought processes needed to fabricate lies. I love her!

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  326. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Love it, ” I thought they would call you” “Track the number” EXACTLY! Why didn’t the cops find her sooner. Sloppy.

    Reply
  327. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Ok now the neck movement get it gurl… she is getting really tired of W.

    Reply
  328. greenwarrior4 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Whatta ya know. Now he understands her perfectly.

    Reply
  329. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    oh my goodness. he is such an ass. I would like to meet him in person and tell him that in person.

    Reply
  330. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I LOVE THIS

    gn ā€@GN192
    Loving this girl. She has no f-s to give, and is not intimidated by defense counsel AT ALL. Zimmerman.

    Reply
  331. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    West is trying to get her to say that Trayvon confronted GZ. URGGGGHHH!

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  332. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    LOL Rachel: You can go …

    West: It takes me a while

    Before this is over Rachel could be eliciting testimony from West!!!

    (I’d love to see her rip into Fogen, am sure she could tear him a couple of new ones. )

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  333. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Keep him on track, Miss Rachel. You go girl! You can go, you can go! I’m just lovin’ the hell out of that suggestion.

    Reply
  334. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I can’t take it. Tracy is so overcome with grief and pain. I have two boys – 21 and 23 – and this is too close to home to handle.

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  335. Unabogie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I honestly thought she was going to be less effective than this. West is seriously coming off as a bully. Which is not good for his client.

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  336. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    oh shit she is more defiant towards west than most witnesses have been

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  337. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Tracy Martin wants to kill Don West. He’s working hard to hold it together. He does NOT appreciate this.

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  338. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Wow, Tracey Martin is really struggling. DD kept saying she thought his daddy was going to be home to help him, or that someone would help him. Its breaking me heart. He’s weeping.

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  339. Sophia33 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I think West has bitten off more than he can chew.

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  340. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    GO GIRL> SPEAK THE TRUTH

    Reply
  341. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    You can go… hahaha

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  342. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Oh GOD. Tracy is sobbing!

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  343. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    West can try to get her to say he turned around but GZ ran up on him!!! THAT IS WHAT SHE SAYING!

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  344. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Did anyone else see Tracey smiling affectionately at when she answered a bit cheeky to West ?

    And there she does it again: Nooooh !

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  345. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    I LOVE HER!!!!

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  346. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    she is saying i had a blue-tooth (wireless ear bud) on and could hear well

    west is trying to lead her, he is a sleazy as hell. she’s not buying it

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  347. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Get em Rachel

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  348. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I LOVE this girl!!! Candid, and ingenuous. That’s going to throw West off.

    Reply
  349. greenwarrior4 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Fuck. He’s trying to work on her guilt.

    Reply
  350. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Poor West he has one hand, even two, tied behind his back… a fair fight for once !

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  351. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Haha Don don’t know what to do with her…

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  352. parrot says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    She is getting stronger. She’s assertive. Speaking out.

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  353. Trained Observer says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    “I don’t understand what you’re talking about … where you at”

    Exactly, Ms. Rachel. We’ve been wondering for weeks now. šŸ™‚

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  354. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    In a minute, she is going to start asking West questions.

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  355. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Object damnit, BDLR! It DIDN’T take TM “so long to get there.”

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  356. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Here we go…..Why didn’t you call anyone when the phone went dead.

    Reply
    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      Teen minds don’t make or known what should be a correct decision or action.

      Reply
      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

        Sometimes its hard to know exactly what to do if you dont have any experience. Poeple with $ just hire people to handle it. They don’t know everything but have the financial resources to hire those who do.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm

        She tried to call Trayvon back but guess what? He didn’t answer! They know that already.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm

        Malisha……this is a CTH opinion, that if she was such a good friend then she would have immediately tried to call the police or Sabrina or her own parents or…..fill in the blank. They refuse to acknowledge that teens don’t make the right decision all the time or do they feel like anything bad will happen.

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    • DruDo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:05 pm

      Weren’t their calls dropped several times? I thought I read that Rachel and TM kept calling each other back. Maybe she thought that’s what happened and then just didn’t try again when she couldn’t reach him. It’s doubtful she even imagined that the creepy-ass cracker actually murdered Trayvon.

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  357. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    “He took a shortcut to the mail area.”

    Trayvon was probably NEVER on Retreat View Circle, where the killer supposedly “spotted” him.

    Reply
    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:46 pm

      If he took a shortcut, any shortcut, he probably was on RVC at some point… just that he would have been there at least 15 minutes before GZ even left his “home.” Based on the phone records,and the clubhouse videos, it is almost certain that GZ could not have spotted TM until he found him under the mailboxes seconds before he dialed NEN, thus could NOT have seen TM ‘walking around in rain, looking at the houses.’

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  358. bettykath says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I love Rachel. West isn’t going to get anywhere with her. LOL

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  359. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I am loving this witness, as far as I am concerned she is a star witness!!

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  360. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I hope her comprehension and limited ability to articulate herself frustrates West and he is forced to cut his cross examination short… LOL!

    Reply
    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm

      Fat chance on that! He is going to try to ground her into a powder just like he does everyone else. BDLR will have to break it up with an objection.

      Reply
  361. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Why does Trayvon have to hurry from 7/11 home? WTF am I missing.

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  362. Big Willie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    West is playing stupid! He knows he understands what she’s saying!

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  363. GrannyStandingforTruth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Excuse me, I meant to say that Dee/Rachel is tongue-tied, not tie-tongue. šŸ™‚

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  364. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    “You talking around…” Stop talking around, West!

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  365. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I think we have finally found a witness that can confuse West
    ha ha ha

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  366. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Mr. Don just asked a question to which he did not know the answer. Oops.

    Hey, West! TM went straight to the mailboxes. He was there by 6:45. Your client is a f-ing liar.

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      damn straight. this is WAY bad for the defense and we, at least, all know why. Lord help us if BDLR is that thick and cant see this.

      Help me whonoze, i missed the direct. you know what I wanna know about.

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  367. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    West, epic fail, it doesn’t matter what he was doing! wtf… this witness is making West look like the total douche that he is!

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  368. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    She is getting very irritated with West.

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  369. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Why is West trying to go over distances with her? Goodness.

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  370. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    there we have it. the mail kiosk is the mail kiosk at RATL. close that speculative door, folks, please. It was strained to begin with and now it’s a dead issue.

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  371. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    She comes off frank
    I love her

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  372. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    The mail area inside the complex???

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

      yes, the mail kiosk at RATL. He was always there, and GZ lied to say he never was in order to hide the manner in which they both traveled. This is VERY damning for the defense even if the preosecution is MISSING the car to pedestrian chase.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm

        @willisnewton

        Yep, the mail kiosk is sinking him.

        Today jurors only heard Miss Rachel testify about the car to pedestrian chase. So BDLR should be following up on that tomorrow, at least I’m hoping. The Wiester claims he needs to question for at least 2hrs tomorrow.

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  373. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    She has never been there.

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  374. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    W is going to get an answer he does not want if he keep going.

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  375. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    the defense seems to put some importance to the call that was dropped while TM was around the mail kiosk and possibly about to run, or already running from the car he passed by.

    Not sure where they are going but they spoke to it at the long winded opening as well.

    IMO this happned WHILE trayvon was running away from a moving car, to get off the roadway.

    I dont know why the prosecution could be highlighting this moment, it shows very bad intent.

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  376. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “No, you lost me!”

    This is PRICELESS. Colin’s right. You couldn’t make this up.

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  377. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Fogen is looking very nervous.

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  378. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    What was he doing after he left the store… There you go Mr. DON… move on please

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  379. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    I love her. She is saying out loud what everybody else is thinking.

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  380. thruthseeker66 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “you lost me” I love it!! DW should just stop.

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  381. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “Nah, you lost me”
    keep it just that simple baby

    Reply
  382. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    She is defiant, I’m loving this. I think she’s gonna be ok.

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  383. Mandelbaum says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    She needs to answer with short consice statements, and not offer more info than neccessary. And stop being semi attitudel.

    I fear she’s gonna blurt out something that’s gonna sink BdlR’s battle ship.

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    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:35 pm

      Actually, I love the attitude. She is letting him know she is not going to let him intimidate her. I didn’t expect her to be feisty at all.

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm

      Oh she can’t sink that ship. She might make a little mistake in painting the name on the side but we all know it’s full sail and being guided straight through. FOGEN IS SUNK! NOT by what is being said now, but by what he did THEN.

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  384. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    Mister Don.

    Mister Don who?

    Mister, don bully this young woman or the case for your crazy ass cracker gonna be nothing but crumbs.

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  385. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    West is getting on her nerves with the phone list LMAO!

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  386. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    She is overwhelmed with the details of the calls.

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  387. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Where is West going with this?

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  388. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    HELP – I missed the direct testimony of Dee Dee/W8/rachel

    Did BDLR ask her or did she speak to the “following” by a MOVING car or not?

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  389. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Keep your cool Dee Dee

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  390. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    The defense had better tread lightly with this witness.

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  391. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Did. Not. See. That. Coming. At. All.

    I think the Defense’s best move here would have been, “No questions, your honor.” And then subpoena her teachers etc. to see if they can undermine her account on the basis of her handicap.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:35 pm

      The sheltering by her parents, Crump, the State, etc., the mistake in her age, her vulnerability, was a sign in retrospect, don’t you think ?

      Reply
    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm

      Uh, What exactly is her handicap? I think it would be a big mistake to imply that she’s in any way mentally deficient. Especially when comparing her to a numbnuts like West.

      Reply
      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

        Could be she has a learning disability or speech issue, but she certainly has no problem understanding or communicating.

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  392. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    the least that bastard could have done was to say ‘i am sorry for your loss’. be it sincere or otherwise.

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  393. thruthseeker66 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    is skelator trying to trip her off by rewording the same question? jeesh!!

    Reply
  394. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Not sure if anyone else has noticed she’s wearing braces which could account for her speech.

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

      Possibly, it would depend on her underlying jaw structure. I wore them for 4 years, my speech did not change.

      Yeah, I was the geeky glasses and braces girl, as a freshman and got contacts and the braces off the week of Senior prom.

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  395. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Its so weird how some people are so uncomfortable with those of a different race/class. “Those people” but the groove just by their mere presence. Its interesting-sort of.

    Reply
  396. Valerie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    She has a lisp or/and braces in her mouth.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm

      Maybe not, my son is similar, he can be hard to understand especially when he talks too fast. It will sound like he is mumbling and running the words together. Excitement will also bring it on.

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  397. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    She is looking at him very evil… love it Mr. Don!

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  398. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Good afternoon, “Mr. Don.”
    šŸ™‚

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  399. colin black says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    GODS PLAN

    Defence objects to prior good acts off raceist phone calls.

    JN takes a day to ponder an lets them in .

    To tie in precicely with the evidence of w 8 D D ..

    The ear witness on foggagges last non emergacy call

    A CREEPY WHITE CRACKER.

    An next raceist description of foggagge A NIGGGER

    Own the word use it against the perpertreters of hate like this crackerjack fool

    Oh the irony is rich even shakespearian

    You couldn’t make this up as fiction its to far fetched

    life reality is far stranger that fantasy

    Todat the prior TAPES

    THE OLYMPICAN MARATHON RUNNING TEACHER
    THE PRIOR GOOD ACTS

    An DD have convicted him of murder one never mind murder two

    An added attempted RAPE for the heck of it

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

      I like the way you look at it, but I’m sure others won’t look at it that way. They will use it to prove that Tray was a ghetto thug and the world is a better place because he was exterminated. I have overheard my son on his phone using expletives, but he NEVER uses them in my direct presence or in conversation with me. So many kids curse. The ones who don’t are unique.

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      • Mary Davis says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

        I think she is doing a good job considering. She is driving the whole defense team crazy. You go baby girl.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm

        I think jury instruction will include the fact that a perceived “badness” of a victim is not factored into whether or not a crime has been committed against him/her.

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:04 pm

      Yep, that about covers it so far. Excellent re-cap!

      Reply
  400. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    “Good afternoon… Mr. Don.” I love it.

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  401. thruthseeker66 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    I’m just tuning in. Is it me or does fogen look spooked?

    Reply
  402. parrot says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    When Gz stood for the jury, he looked SCARED!

    MR. DON!

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      I gotta rely on you all for the killer’s emotions. Me, I don’t see that he ever shows ANY emotion.

      Reply
      • parrot says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm

        Oh, groans, you gotta watch this portion again. The fear was palpable. He couldn’t control it. Shallow breathing, intense eyes.

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  403. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Fogen looks scared shitless!

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  404. MedicineBear says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Bwhahahahaha! Rachel is a triple scoop of honest Goddess perfection! Deal with it you phony desiccated azzholes!

    Reply
  405. MichelleO says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Fogan is scared. Been out all afternoon. But when they all stood, I could see the fear in his eyes.

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  406. Mary Davis says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    OK. I am really getting pissed off. What the fuck is wrong with everybody. Even the judge is asking her to repeat herself. She cannot even answer one question without this bull shit. Hell I can understand her. Sorry about the foul mouth. I just wish a female would have been able to question her. Would maybe make her feel at ease a little bit.

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    • Trained Observer says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm

      Mary, driving back to office I could understand her with no problem whatsoever — and I didn’t have advantage of looking at her mouth. What’s with the stenographer who can’t seem to get it?

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      If the judge asked her to repeat herself, though, I think it may be a good thing because she wants to get that transcript correct. Appeals are based on rulings in the transcript and testimony in the transcript.

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm

      Mary, don’t feel bad about the foul language. All those court officers, especially The Wiester, was about to cause me to loose my religion. It’s a good thing I wasn’t present in the courtroom because I have no doubt JN would have asked Deputy Jarvis to escort me out.

      Today I was very disappointed that JN let 3, maybe 4 people speak to Miss Rachel, all at the same time. She should have told all of the to STFU! Like you said, I did not have a problem understanding anything she was saying.

      They’ve been having problems hearing others all week, but it was not until Miss Rachel took the stand that it became some major problem.

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  407. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    I am shaking for her. I think West is going to try and trip her up and call her everything but a cracker or ni–a. He has no shame.

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  408. rayvenwolf says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Reading through the commentary about Rachel’s testimony I am glad I missed out. Will be watching the cross though.

    Reply
  409. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    My heart was breaking for her, especially when she was trying to say why she didn’t go to the wake. I know what she means. As a teen I have a good friend who is a brother to me. His younger brother was killed when he was struck by a car. I drove to the service but I couldn’t get out of the car and left the area in tears. I couldn’t bring myself to go inside. I knew his younger brother when he was still in diapers (over 12 yrs) and I couldn’t do it. I was like her, I didn’t want to see his body lying there.

    Everyone handles grief in different ways. Her not going to the wake is a non-issue and her lying to the parents to spare their feelings is understandable.

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  410. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I missed Rachel’s questioning by BDLR reading the comments I sense she did quite well. Has the defenses started questioning her yet?

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  411. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    fogens new theme song….have a listen šŸ™‚

    https://myspace.com/johnbartles/music/song/cut-my-own-head-off-430898-446039

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  412. Hereslookingatyou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Running from the back….so he did chase him back towards the T..
    this girl was not coached she is real ..west should tread lightly…

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  413. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    If Rachel hadn’t pointed out that “nigga” is slang, I SWEAR the defense would have argued that it couldn’t have been the killer who confronted Trayvon! šŸ™„

    Good job, Rachel! Keep it up!

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  414. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Me & Lisa Bloom are not watching the same case. Lisa is going hard on DD for lying about why she didn’t go to the funeral. Shes not quite as hard on gz, who killed a kid. To me, DD is a kid too.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

      Lisa Bloom and her toxic mother are f-ing morons!

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    • Beverly says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:20 pm

      Can you explain the problem about going/not going to the funeral? I don’t know the confusion. Thanks

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        DD didn’t attend the wake or funeral. NEWS REPORTERS asked her why she didn’t go & she told them she was in the hospital. They looked for hospital records & didn’t find any. So they confronted her again and called her a liar. So the defense tried to use it to show how untrustworthy & unreliable she is.

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  415. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I wish Trayvon’s spirit could sing this to Rachel in her sleep:

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  416. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    too bad this is serious stuff, else that Trayvon sounds like a funny dude. “oh shit, that nigga still behind me” wow, that said it all.

    It was what we thought it was.

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    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

      Notice not a single “Homie” in her testimony. That went out in the 90’s. She in the vein of Mark Twain and Zora Neale Hurston spoke to the dialect and way that she and Trayvon actually spoke to each other.

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      I love the cracker part!

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm

        ??????? That is the first time I heard this comment being said. While you may love it, it is also viewed as a racist comment towards whites. I doubt he was referring to Z as a Florida cowboy, which are also called crackers.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

          towerflower~ Honestly, so what?? Trayvon was talking in a private conversation. Don’t YOU ever use colorful language when talking privately? I certainly do, in several different languages. gz had Trayvon scared. That is authentic language for a teen in fear.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm

        Cielo—-yes honestly, I worried about public perception. Look at Paula Dean’s situation from a comment she made years ago when a gun was pointed at her head and she told her husband about it and used the N word. Only a few are cutting her any slack from a traumatic situation, just like Trayvon’s. This was in a private conversation to her husband.

        I’m not a Z supporter, never have been. I’m only worried about the comment.

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm

          towerflower~ Never accused you of being a Z supporter because you most obviously are a Trayvon Warrior. Still, when I put all of it in context (and the Paula Deen thing was taken OUT of context) I just don’t see that expression as being such a major faux pas. Trayvon was spooked. He covered it with bravado. Name calling is part of bravado. And on the night of the murder, gz certainly looked like a member of a white supremacist group.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm

        cielo, I agree that when we are in a stressful situation we say a comment we might not normally say. It’s just this comment took me by surprise since I never heard her say this comment before and I worried about the backlash from the perception. Some sites are already calling Trayvon a racist and I just hope the 6 sitting there can see the whole picture. I only mentioned the “I’m not a Z supporter.” so that others who read the site don’t mistake my worries as support for fogen, I wasn’t saying you thought I was, sorry for the confusion.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      Yep, it was exactly what we thought it was.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm

      LMAO, agreed… That’s exactly what I would have said being in the same situation…. she established that Trayvon ran to get away and GZ confronted him….

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  417. hinkster4ever says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    God bless that poor child, I can’t stop crying. Poor, poor child has such a burdened heart. I hope and pray someway, somehow the defense knows not to mess with this girl. If so this will be oh so wrong and an injustice to each and every American of any race! I am torn apart.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

      Not only her, but that poor kid with the dog, he’s been really troubled and feeling guilty too that he didn’t do anything – and I’m so glad he did what he did (run home and have his sister call 911) or it could have been him too. Along with the tragedy of Trayvon’s life being cut so short, these kids will live with this guilt plaguing them wile GZ doesn’t give a crap, did not try to do a thing to help, and didn’t even give a heart-felt apology. Rachel sounded VERY heart-felt and the little boy Austin too.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

        How true Rachael, some of the break-ins had been down by 2-3 teens together, if he had run up to help Trayvon, Z might have assumed that it was “his partner” and taken him out also.

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  418. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Dear Lord,

    Continue to anoint her mind. Give her strength. Please hold her, comfort her, and keep her in the safety of your loving arms. Amen, and so it is.

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  419. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    WARNING! If West or MOM attack her on stand my fist may come into your view.
    They will make me angry if they are mean to her.

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  420. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I am so freaking mad knowing the hell that the defense is going to put her through. She obviously has some learning and cognitive disabilities. She is no mastermind.

    She said the word “fight” to describe the altercation. I suspect that will be zoomed in on and taken out of context by the defense.

    I wish Bernie would have had her explain what she meant.

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  421. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I this girls testimony doesn’t get Fogen the keys to his cell, then I will really be convinced that there is no justice in this country at all. as for those at the Tree Stump who will more than likely be mocking her, GOD is in control and, your day is coming.

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  422. Nellie Nell says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    OMG I am in tears here. I feel so sorry for this young lady that was forced into the undeserving feelings of guilt. Of course she had to feel guilty about being the last person to speak with him not knowing that those would be his last words.

    I hope MOM does not question her because of his aggressive and condensing manner in which he has handled all the people of color. Which also seems to be a pattern of his.

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  423. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    I am so in tears… my blood pressure just went up… I had to go outside and calm down… its still up…. Didn’t Fogen say he was the one that said “Oh Shit”?

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      I went outside also.

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      • Deborah Moore says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm

        My husband and son came out to watch with me. We moved to the LR to watch together in the LR.
        I couldn’t sit through it. I was a ball of nerves for that girl and just Lifting Her Up. I went outside and watered. Yes.
        She’s doing very well with West.

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    • parrot says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      Justice is coming. Have faith and breathe deeply.

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  424. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    For anyone who is not aware of the way African American youth use the “N” word… it is used to identify another person… it can sometimes be a friend or an enemy, basically just a person… the “er” is not used in the pronunciation but “gga” it is a slang term and is not derogatory in most of the African American community, especially in with younger generations. I respect Rachel’s testimony and know that she is being completely honest because that is the type of language I would expect Trayvon to have been using given his age and his ethnicity.. I am also AA in late 20’s….

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    • smokeegyrl says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      I have grandsons that are Trayvon’s same age and use that type of Lingo as an expression and not as derogatory but refuse to use the gger… and feel that is …

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      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

        Yes exactly, we know that many others don’t understand that, which is why BDLR kept using the er… I don’t think he understood but it’s okay, not his fault…

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      • disappointed says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

        I do not care what Trayvon called him. I do not need anything explained. Trayvon had every right to call him whatever! The night stalker CHASED him.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      I hope that they bring out someone to say how this is just slang, Rachel mentioned it was slang once.

      Sadly, most commentators are now saying look at the language he used to describe Z, look at how aggressive it is, this is a State witness?, etc.

      I understand that some calling others the N word is just a word, especially those in their teens and AA community. But how many on the jury understand that.

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      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

        Not many… I think BDLR will need to address that on cross, but I’m not sure it’s much he can do…. I think they will be able to connect the dots if they think of Rachel’s comment about it being slang and then think oh… hip hop culture, but that can also be bad because many see hip hop culture as aggressive and angry, so we will see I guess, I think they should have told her to leave that part out…. I blame that on Crump for not getting her ready… perception sadly is reality sometimes…

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:17 pm

        When Fogen had already called Trayvon Martin an asshole and a fucking punk, and when Fogen actually WAS a creepy-ass cracker, I think it’s not much of a defense to admit that Trayvon Martin (a) realized he was being stalked and (b) realized he was in danger. Notice: She gives the exact words he said and does NOT say “he said Umgunna tear his cracker ass UP” although clearly, had he said anything like that (or meant to try anything like that), she would have said so.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      This was also the first time I heard her say that Trayvon called him a white ass cracker.

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      • Dave says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm

        The kid was being stalked by a murderous dirtbag and people are worked up because he calledthe guy a “creepy-azz cracker?” I’m sure thatI would have come up with something much worse.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm

        It is public perception, Look at Paula Dean she used the N word to describe a bank holdup where a black man put a gun to her head years ago and everyone is in an uproar over it.

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      • Tee says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm

        He didn’t say white ass cracker he said creepy cracker.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm

        Sorry, it was crazy ass cracker. But it doesn’t change how it could be perceived as a racist comment.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm

        See that, if Fogen had only let Trayvon LIVE he could have had him charged with a hate crime for calling him names! Idiot shouldn’t have killed that kid! We would be able to learn so much in this country if only teen-age Pba-lack racism were to be dealt with by all our mentors!

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      Black, white, Mexican, Chinese… all teens use that term. I laugh when I here non-balck kids use it because it sounds so funny. I was in the mall at Forever 21 with my daughter and some Korean kids was acknowledging each other with my-nigga. I laughed because it was hilarious to me being 40+….

      That does not mean they are racist it has become a hip hop term for teens. If you were born from 1990 forward those kids have no since of any meaning for that term other name a description unless they grew up around racists.

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    • MrSykes says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      Yep her brutal honesty with the language is actually very humanizing. She wouldn’t have been believable had she quoted Trayvon as saying, “Oh, dear God, some creepy gentleman is following me.”

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    • ladystclaire says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      My son uses that word with that spelling also. it’s never spelled with the ger not ever. as a matter of fact, a lot of rappers use that word with the ga spelling as well.

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    • Nellie Nell says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      Agreed! There is also a huge difference with the ending of the word which I am sure he used quite frequently.

      She is nervous and scared I bet, but she had done well.

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    • type1juve says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Good point, and not only AA youth. That’s the way young people speak and refer to each other.

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    • dianetrotter says:
      June 26, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      All kids at my school use it … regardless of race. They are not supposed to do it; however, what consequence could we give to 2000+ kids.

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  425. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I understood 99% of what she said. what the hell is west’s problem,
    how does he expect to cross?

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      He will harp on TM’s use of the N word and try to say TM was angry and confronted GZ but I don’t think it will work too well, I think Rachel will get too torn up in tears on the stand if and when he presses her and make the defense look bad for badgering her

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm

        He has to only ask QUESTIONS, not harp on anything. He can ask her about lying re the funeral or ask her about any “discrepancies” he finds in her testimony at deposition and about “discrepancies” in the Crump interview etc. blah blah but Bernie will DEFINITELY object to anything outside the lines with THIS WITNESS and Judge Nelson will rule properly and not give West any inapprpriate bashing opportunities.

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  426. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t understand. Why has the court not ordered video interview and with a specialised psychologist and/or family member or advocate present ?

    I sincerely hope the whole treehouse, TL, Dman, rumpole and the rest collectively jump off a f*****g cliff!

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      I’ll help with a little push…

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      She probably assured them she wanted to do this for Trayvon, alone, and she could handle it. No doubt her support system is waiting for her in the hall. Plus, she had Sybrina and Tracy in the courtroom, and Sybrina probably told her if she got nervous to just look at her. JMO.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        I understand what your saying Nef05, but IMO this should have been video link at most and here in the UK IMO it would have been.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

        As an advocate of people with difficulties as these I would have fought tooth and nail for it.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:29 pm

        I agree with you, Gbrbsb. I’m just taking into account her guilt, her grief, her clear love for Trayvon, and her relatively assertive personality. She seems like a person who would want to try to “make up” for what she feels like she may not have done, by doing this.

        However, in that – I will freely admit that I’m projecting a little.

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  427. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    I’m not emotional usually but MAN I’m in tears. That poor poor child. She’s being very brave to do what she’s doing.

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  428. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Midafternoon recess after BDLR concludes his direct examinaion of Rachel Jeantel (Dee Dee)

    Court will resume at 3:15 EDT

    Looks like Don West will cross examine her.

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    • Boyd says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      if she is learning disabled I don’t see how this will work. He seems to expect everyone can follow him, I can’t.

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  429. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    I am such an idiot. I went over to the sewer to see what they had to say since they kept saying she was imaginary and would never testify. They are fucking animals. I have never felt such disgust for anyone as I do for them right now.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      I refuse to subject myself to those racist POS. All that matters is the opinion of those 6 jurors.

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    • MrSykes says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      I wouldn’t even put it past them to insinuate that she faked her emotional reaction on the stand.

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    • smokeegyrl says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      Is that the hate page Rachael? God will take care of them…

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    • Leisa says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      The fact that they hide behind a keyboard to say the hateful bullshit they spew tells it all. Wonder how they would feel if a big sign was put up outside of say their church, showing all what vile things they say about a child? Bet the people in their bank, grocery store etc. would be appalled by their posts. I for one would love to put it all out there for the world to see and judge.

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  430. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    If the defense abuses this girl the jury will hate them! West is probably shitting his pants right along with Fogen and O’Mara

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  431. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    She was so nervous & shaking I couldn’t help but cry for her she’s hurting inside because she thinks that she should have done something. I hurt for her!

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  432. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    west circling like a fucking buzzard. sick fuck.

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  433. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Poor girl. She is hurting. My heart breaks for her – and for Trayvon’s parents.

    The defense better not be a$$holes to her. But my guess is, they will be exactly that. Hope I’m wrong.

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  434. parrot says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    I didn’t hear her say that another voice said, “What are you doing around here?”

    Did I miss it?

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  435. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    God I’m in tears. She is the most brutally honest witness to date. This is intense. Not looking forward to the cross-ex. The defense is going to try to break her down.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      If West crosses her, this thing is next to over, as he will most likely lose the jury. If MOM wants GZ to have a chance, he needs to do the cross, and treat her with genuine kindness.

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      • Leisa says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

        I don’t think he knows how to treat a witness with kindness but the jury has to be feeling her pain along with all who are watching. He should be very careful here I think….

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  436. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    I feel so bad for her. She felt guilty about being the last one to speak to Trayvon. Now she’s got to deal with The Wiester’s sick foolishness. I hope you her parents or someone came with her. She’s going to need a lot of support.

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  437. greenwarrior4 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Sobbing. That poor girl. She felt guilty.

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  438. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Fogen is fucking DONE!!!!

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  439. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    OMG! I think she is very compelling!

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      Me too!!!

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:05 pm

      The jury has to believe her. She did not even try to hide the slang Trayvon used to describe GZ.

      GZ is looking more and more repulsive as I listen to these witnesses and see the pain he has caused. I hope his brother is watching this trial and does not give more statements about what a good guy GZ is. Bottom line, GZ is a bloated self-indulgent liar who murdered a kid.

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  440. Donna Flores says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I can’t stop crying and then seeing Tracy cry

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  441. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    She is breaking down. They needed the break or she’d really ruin cross.

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  442. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Oh God! Have mercy! **tears**

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  443. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Another thing, I believe the jury will see that Trayvon, had been friends with this girl since elementary school.

    Instead of teasing her for being a little slow, he befriended her, and they became best friends. That speaks of a sweet boy, and good upbringing. If we can see that, the jury will, too!

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm

      Absolutely!

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      My thoughts exactly, Nef05.

      And, I used to be an elementary teacher.

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      • You all have thoughtful comments says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        before I was married.

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      • You all have thoughtful comments says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm

        Wow….I cannot even express myself correctly. This was so emotional to watch. Just to see her shaking from the very outset of questioning!

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    • MrSykes says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

      Bingo.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:05 pm

      Yup.

      Imagine the juxtaposition in their minds while looking back and forth between this heartbroken girl and the cold fish defendant.

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    • Sophia33 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      True! She is not at all what I had expected. I didn’t know what she looked like at all.

      Her voice is genuinely soft and she is nervous.

      Hang in there!

      Man the lowlifes on Zimmerman’s team are doing everything they can to be disruptive.

      JN told him right! This is the first witness where you said there was an issue with you seeing. Chairs have wheels. Move! He is just tried to intimidate her and they weren’t even asking questions.

      When they cut to the people in the courtroom, you could tell everyone was taken (riveted) by what she was saying. You could see it in their faces. Not just Tracy and Sabrina but everyone. Don’t know who the blond is sitting behind them, but she was crying too. Everything about her comes off as genuine.

      BDLR dealt with that so-called “lie” that she supposedly told. Even if it is not intellectually logical and she would have no reason to feel guilty because there is nothing that she could have done, who wouldn’t feel that way if you found out you were the last person to speak to someone before they were murdered. I know, I would have a hard time facing the parents and going to the funeral. Particularly with the way it happened. It was perfectly understandable that she would feel this way.

      If the defense asks a fool towards this witness now, it will not go over well. I would say that I hope that they at least have the decency to not act like asses, but…

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        west standing, to ‘see’ when he’d had no problem in the past is clear intimidation, nelson saw through it.

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:45 pm

      He felt protective of her.

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  444. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    OMG, that poor girl. I wish my arms could just reach into my monitor and give her a big hug.

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  445. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Oh my god, she needs a hug. Someone give her a hug!

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  446. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Wow she has me in tears.

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  447. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    So much for the “DeeDee perjured herself about the funeral” narrative. It ain’t perjury if you have this girl’s rather vague understanding of reality.

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  448. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Damn damn damn Poor poor girl

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  449. parrot says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    That SOB has caused so much pain.

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  450. Mandelbaum says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    How sad the she’s likely unaware that she should be embarassed about her inability to speak basic engish. I’m sure that her parents are exactly the same, if not worse.

    I do hope that Sybrina and Tracy pay for some sort of special education classes for her after they win the multi million dollar law suits against Sandford city and P.D. as well as the state of Fl., and fogen himself.

    Poor child.

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  451. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    What is up with the video feed? Anyone else having difficulty?

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  452. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    omg my heart is breaking for her, I can’t stop my own tears

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  453. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Poor baby…

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  454. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    The jury will see what we and JN see. They will NOT like it, if West/O’Mara act like fools and try to intimidate or even fluster this young woman.

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  455. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Poor kid

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  456. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    forehead~ deedee is too concrete a thinker to make substitutions like that

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  457. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Wow, I am in tears listening to her. She has so much repressed grief, you can see her voice crack and her eyes look up.

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  458. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Now we know why her parents wanted to shield her… why she didn’t come forward right away…

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    • Donna Flores says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:54 pm

      Exactly whonoze..poor girl

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:55 pm

      Even with all her challenges she has been a GREAT witness, imo. She told the whole truth up there.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      Yes, and how right they were to shield her.

      IMBW but I would say she is what we over here call a vulnerable adult, with mild to moderate learning disability and you have to shelter them, I know, I help my partner care for his two adults sons with severe learning disabilities and I have a cousin the same. I don’t understand why they did not interview her by video, and with a psychologist that is the law here.

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

        I have a 22yr old daughter with a disability and I SHIELD her to this day… This is heart wrenching for me!!! Rachel communicate just like my daughter…

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        • gbrbsb says:
          June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

          I so feel for you. I am actually sobbing, so I can understand you so well, my partner would be sobbing too if he was watching this.

          I have been voluntary advocate for learning disabled adults over here now for some 10 years and I am disgusted she was made to do this alone.

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

      Her parents are also immigrants. Some children of immigrants have to take an unfair burden with regard to their interface with the English-speaking and official world. The children from a very young age must serve as both language and cultural interpreters. Her parents may not have been able to provide much of a resource to her in trying to figure out how to respond to the situation including such things as notifying law enforcement, the Martins, going to the wake and so forth.

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  459. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Wow. While I appreciate her attempt to say word from word, i really wish she paraphrased. ‘Nigga’ is the urban slang for ‘man’. When Trayvon said “Oh shit, this nigga is behind me, he’s saying, ” Oh shit, this man is behind me. I really wished she used the latter because the way BDLR is repeating it is making Trayvon sound racist.

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    • Donna Flores says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm

      It’s common language used by teenagers, all race of teenagers, trust me

      Reply
    • My Forehead Tho says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      Notice how when Rachele was asked to repeat what she said by one of the jurors, she used ‘man’ in the place of ‘nigga’.

      ‘Nigga’ and ‘nigger’ are not used in the same context. Though younger generations may be aware of the difference, I don’t think older people like BDLR and some of the jurors are. So to them Trayvon’s constant use of “cracker” and what they believe to be “nigger’, is not a good look.

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      • Tee says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

        In miami the young people don’t say ‘white” they say “cracker”. They don’t ” Hispanic” they say ” o yea” . And They don’t say “Haitian” they say “Zoe” I’m not saying its right but where we are from that’ s how most of the young people speak. Ex. ” man did you see that o yea over there dancing”. Or “them crackers stay in bad cars” it’s slang where we are from I hear all the kids from every race speak like this.
        Black or any person = nigga
        Hispanic= o yea
        Haitian = Zoe
        White = cracker
        Trust me when I say it’s slang you have to live in the environment it’s so diverse that’s how all of my young cousins speak to each other and they are Haitian, Cuban, and black I myself am biracial white and black, family still call me cracker. Get on my nerves too,

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm

        My Forehead~ agree. BUT Dee Dee is not intellectually astute enough to be able to make those substitutions. She’s doing her best.

        ________________________________

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      you are looking at it the wrong way
      her candor has immunized her from any claims or accusations of mendacity or obfuscation
      she is a “straight shooter” as they say

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  460. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    gol darn it. I’m crying. OF COURSE she never talked to him again.

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  461. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Hard-breathing man! Fogen was running after Trayvon and out of breath. Also confirmed by Fogen’s 911 call!!

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  462. Leisa says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Omg. Just walked in to hear Bdlr say the N is behind me. Did I hear this correctly?

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  463. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Wow, there’s no way this girl is lying. She may be confused as hell about sequences and times, but she’s way too simple to be mendacious.

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  464. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Poor girl, she’s handicapped somehow. Too bad she has to be interrupted frequently. But at least it means every one is hanging on her every word! Even the jurors are asking questions, it looks like.

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  465. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    She is confused by the timeline and the questions.

    I feel so bad for her.

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  466. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    There are just too many people trying to talk to her at one time. The Wiester is trying to intimidate her.

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  467. Donna Flores says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Most teenagers use that word nigga, my kids do all the time..Nigga Im hungry you goin cook us some dinner.

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  468. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    THIS is crazy. They are being rude to her.

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  469. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Oh lord I am pretty sure that TCTH just blew up šŸ™‚

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  470. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    The defense can understand her perfectly. They are putting on!!!! Freaking sleazebags!!! Trying to trip her testimony up. I can understand her perfectly!!!

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  471. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Oh ish! Oh ish! Oh ish! Rachel Jeantel: Trayvon said “that nigga is still following me”.

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  472. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    She’s the largest so far of all the women, now all of a sudden The Wiester can’t see.

    They need to tell her to hold the mic to her mouth.

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  473. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    It’s obvious this young lady has a learning disability… Why are they allowing the defense to do this to her?

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm

      That’s why JN is protecting her, she sees it too.

      Reply
    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:48 pm

      Yes….that is why she is still in 12th grade at age 19.

      Reply
      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:58 pm

        I had a 20 yo 9th grader, a 25 yo 12th grader w/ 3 kids & a wife, & many others of the same ilk. It happens.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

        And will get her diploma… that is great she did not give up.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm

        Well, I wouldn’t equate her being 19 and in 12th gr to her having a learning disability…where I’m from…school registration for kindergarten begins in aug/sept. for children that will be 5yrs old by certain date in sept/oct. otherwise, the child can’t start school until the following fall registration period.

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      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

        Dee is tie-tongue, very nervous, and hurting. But, she is trying to keep from showing it.

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  474. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Oh I am tearing up for her. She is so nervous.

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    • SoulSistaWoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

      I cried for Trayvon, I cried for her and his parents… She is so very nervous; but her story comes across as honest so far.

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      • amsterdam1234 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm

        She always came across as honest. There is no way Nelson will allow the defense to badger her.

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  475. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Willis, amsterdam, tchoupi, etc. etc…. he was at the mailing area with GZ watching him. BINGO.

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  476. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    I believe she has a learning disability as well. I understand EVERY WORD she says, but have enough experience that I would ask her for more definition. It finally came out-FOLLOWING. FOLLOWING. They can’t understand her cause shes a poor Black & makes them feel uncomfortable.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      You could be right but it would be slight. I volunteer with people with learning disabilities and my partner has two adult sons with them, and she does have that air. I hope the treehouse and others like minded beasts feel well and truly mortified.

      And that finally that came out too… “the back area” = “from the back”

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  477. type1juve says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    JN just told West “sit yo ass down” LMAO

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  478. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Hell, the confessed murderer even referred to himself as “datn—a!

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  479. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Come on BDLR. It’s Nigga not Nigger, lololol.

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  480. tharealkeisha says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    West just got bitch slapped by Judge Nelson

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  481. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Objection to “narrative testimony,” West?? Gimme a break!

    (That was earlier.)

    And now, West objects to leading the witness? Get a grip, West!

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  482. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Rachel Jeantel says Trayvon told her a creepy ass cracker was watching him.

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  483. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    judge nelson, taking no shit from the defense. i have no doubt that she will do her best to protect the sweet ms. rachel.

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  484. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    West is a piece of shit and an asshole!
    He has no soul!

    Now all of a sudden he can not see the largest female witness to testify.

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  485. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Whoah, it sounds like West is preparing to cross Rachel…

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  486. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Judge Nelson is getting fed up with the defense team’s tactics. “If you can’t see her, then move your seat”

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  487. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    They’re trying to intimidate her RIGHT IN THE COURTROM? WTF!!!

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  488. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Good JN is not going to let them badger her.

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      She is 19 & fair game for the state. 19 is considered to be an adult in places like TX & FL, even though they can’t do many adult things.

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  489. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “this is the first witness you’re telling me you’re having trouble seeing” – RIGHT ON JN!

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  490. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    This is the first time I’ve seen GZ look really close to tears. He’s toast.

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  491. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    West is being an ass.

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  492. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Hit him JN

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  493. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Really? I can understand her through the livestream and they can’t understand her in person? Get outta here!

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  494. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Rachele doesn’t want to be there. I know she’s a teenager so the eye rolling and attitude is expected, but I really hope that she doesn’t forget why she’s there.

    And the “creepy ass cracker” was very surprising. As long as she’s honest, I don’t care who’s side her testimony helps.

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  495. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    This is going to be great fun… we’ll probably get many more details!

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  496. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Jeantel: Travyon Martin said man looking at him. “I had to think it might be a rapist.”

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  497. Tonya Bouie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    ??? DeeDee I don’t like that im black and I hate that word this is the first time I heard this creepy ass cracker ?????? I dislike that im sorry

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  498. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Meant poor, dear. I agree it is weird and beyond the pale to have a man following him.

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  499. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Oh, my!

    Where is June Cleaver? Does anybody speak jive?????

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  500. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @fauxmccoy

    Not creepy arse Redneck, but a creepy arse Cracker! šŸ™‚

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  501. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    LMAO! I agree Trayvon, you dear poor. He might have been a rapist. I am dying.

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  502. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    “creepy ass cracker” … sums it up. keep it up rachel! you’re doing great.

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  503. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Her honesty is coming through….

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  504. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    From the cues and my education, I believe Rachel is a little slow. This is not a “ghetto upbringing” issue. This appears to me to be a genuine mental challenge. She’s well prepped for BDLR. They’ve done well. Whether she can hold up to cross examination, it will be difficult.

    GET ‘EM RACHEL!!! Do your best! We’re rooting for you!

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

      Possible–at age 19 she is a senior in high school.

      However, black Florida dialect is also fairly distinct. I have some friends who grew up in rural Florida and her speech is very similar to theirs.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm

        I agree. But, it’s not just her speech (I can understand her with her dialect and speech impediment) I was looking at, though the school thing was a big cue.

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  505. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Creepy ass cracker. Shit that’s not good for the State.

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      Oh boy …

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    • Mandelbaum says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

      Nope, not good at all! Did BdlR know that she’d say that Trayvon called fogen a “creepy ass Cracker”?! NOW suddenly Trayvon is the RACIST! Joonyah, Papa Z, and the media are ALL gonna have a field day with this new revelation.

      Oh, great! Now Trayvon called fogen a ‘nigga’ and uses typical GHETTEO language!

      Great, just GREAT!!!

      (i’m still prayaing though)

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  506. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    “Creepy-a$$ cracker.”

    Three times over!!!!!

    Everybody got it now?

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  507. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    CREEPY — ASS — CRACKA

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  508. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Did she said ass cracker?

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  509. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Dee Dee is in the house
    and she was not his girlfriend

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  510. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    I want to cry watching her…I feel so bad for her.

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      That poor baby is going to be racked over the coals by O’Mara. I am so sad for her. She is a high school student…she sounds like a high school students.

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  511. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Fred, do you recall my first contact with you via email?

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  512. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I can’t watch Rachel. I’m a high school teacher and stay on my students about appropriateness based on where you are and whom you are with.

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      She is doing fine just real nervous and fidgeting.

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    • gwynne says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:48 pm

      I have empathy and sympathy for what this teen has experienced. This has to be traumatic. The mother in me feels for her. I am not worried about her “manners”.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        gwynne~ LOL! True, her words count MORE than her manners. BUT people might not take her seriously if she behaves inappropriately. That’s how society functions.

        ________________________________

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

      diane~ BUT being mentally challenged, she’s telling the EXACT things she said and heard.

      ________________________________

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  513. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    She is Challenged… 19 and still in high school!

    yall pray for her….

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  514. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    She is very nervous and they have coached her to give answers to only what she is asked.

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  515. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    @Professor

    See, I told you she had Caribbean roots. Could tell from her first interview.

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  516. shannoninmiami says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    omg here she comes! thank god for Ben Crump for keeping the jackals away from her!!

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  517. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    It’s not only the amount of calls in 6 months it’s what they were mainly about.

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  518. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Look for the Treehouse to light up and start going nuts.

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  519. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Which witness is this new one?

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  520. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    W8, moment of truth. Come on Rachel, we are roofing for you.

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  521. Valerie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Witness 8 !!

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  522. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    The shit is about to hit the proverbial fan, folks!

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  523. Tonya Bouie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    here DeeDee

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  524. Patricia j-C says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    DeeDee is about to testify

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  525. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    DeeDee. It’s showtime.

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  526. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    OK! Here comes Rachel!

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  527. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Here comes Dee Dee

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  528. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Holy Shit! DeeDee. This is gonna be great!

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  529. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    W8!!!!

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  530. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Good answer- “I would have to research”, she’s not letting O’Mara pull his crap

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  531. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    NO! Move on. Did the parents in Florida not teach their children the word NO?

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  532. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    JN: No.

    Best line of the trial!

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  533. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Hold up, O’Mara misrepresented that. Theguy wasn’t arrested because of fogen’s call. He was arrested because of the stucco guys. O’Mara’s trying to make it seem as if fogen had something to do with that.

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  534. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    yup, when i case crappy neighborhoods, i always wear my jammie pants :/

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  535. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Objection!!!!! What proof is there that the subject lived there & was arrested? Show the arrest record & name the person.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

      A young AA male who lived in RATL was arrested for burgarly, and I believe received some jail time. His name is Emmanuel Burgess. I’d guess the defense will get that in eventually.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm

        I think that’s information that benefits the prosecution much more than the defense. On 2/26/2012 Fogen KNEW that there was no burglar running around; the Burglar for all three REAL burglaries was in jail already.

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  536. shannoninmiami says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    The state had assumed Omar and west would follow court protocol and/or actually do what they say they are doing- especially in court.

    But BDLR had to learn the hard way NEVER to take their word for anything at all!! never trust anything either one of these clowns say!!
    They have to check and recheck everything they try to do.. like watching a 2 year old!

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  537. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    There’s been some breakins in the neighborhood. There’s a real suspicious guy. I don’t know what his deal is. He’s black. They always get away…
    (rewind)
    There’s been some breakins in the neighborhood. There’s a real suspicious guy. I don’t know what his deal is. He’s black. They always get away…
    (rewind)
    There’s been some breakins in the neighborhood. There’s a real suspicious guy. I don’t know what his deal is. He’s black. They always get away…
    (rewind)
    There’s been some breakins in the neighborhood. There’s a real suspicious guy. I don’t know what his deal is. He’s black. They always get away…
    (rewind)

    – the George Zimmerbot

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  538. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    – I’m with Neighborhood Watch
    – We’ve had some break-ins here recently
    – He looks real suspicious
    – I don’t know what his deal is
    – He’s black

    That’s a commonality in all his calls. Great establishment of pattern

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  539. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Damn, did he sleep? How could he know all this stuff if he wasn’t patrolling? I’m firing up the chainsaw by 10:30 or 11 each night, & if I did see someone getting a flower pot out of the trash I wouldn’t care unless they were making a mess.

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    • fauxmccoy says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:20 pm

      no kidding – no wonder he has chronic dark circles (although that is a congenital condition which many of a variety of ethnic heritages just have)

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  540. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    That’s Taaffe’s supply man in the black leather jacket.

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  541. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “I know him and he is white and I KNOW he would not have a black man at his house…”

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  542. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    All the calls are the same. Break ins. Black males.

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  543. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    As a woman, who knows he’s married – if I’m on the jury, I’m wondering why his making all these “late night” patrolling calls. Why isn’t he home with his wife?

    Any “helping the neighborhood be safe” points are lost on the “this guy is weird, why isn’t he home with his wife? Is he some kind of weirdo? No wonder the kid was scared…”

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  544. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    So he doesn’t approach grown black men, only children.

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  545. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Listening to them replay prior NEN calls… I have two observations:

    Sumpns wrong with him…I don’t know what his deal is!

    There I said it.

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  546. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Connect and Disconnect times of the 911 calls on 2/26/2012

    19:16:11 — 19:18:40

    19:17:06 — 19:31:35 Syrdika

    19:17:15 — 19:19:03 Good

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  547. KA says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    “suspicious characters”…just “hanging out”…..

    (ie two black men talking…)

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  548. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Fogen is like a peeping Ton, nervous Nellie, Chester the molester type neighbor. Sanford can keep him, thank you very much.

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  549. dianetrotter says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Seem GZ should have everyone’s phone number. If the garage is open, all to see if there is a problem.

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  550. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Did y’all notice how she (Vicky) abruptly put his arse on hold? I bet she was thinking to herself, “Darn, it’s that freakin’ George again”.

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:17 pm

      LOL I would be like go knock on your neighbors door fool, I don’t have time for this shit. Good thing I am not answering NEN calls.

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  551. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Amazing that all his calls sound almost identical… like they’re practically scripted. (sarcasm intended)

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  552. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    The calls are SO scripted! THIS is a HUGE nail for gz!! 3 calls, each mentioning breakins and black teens. He NEVER give shis own address!

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  553. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Stupid expression on his face. He’s not looking so self righteous and smug NOW, a-hole!

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  554. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    nothing better to do at 11 PM than report open garage doors, how pathetic.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

      People in my neighborhood leave garage doors open. I never thought it was suspicious.

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm

        it is so hot where i live, that most of us leave the door open part way because it is the only way anyone can stand to go out there to do laundry. sometimes, they don’t get closed at night.

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  555. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    That is stupid. “They usually run away quickly!”

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      Wouldn’t YOU run away quickly? I feel like running away quickly right the Hell NOW and Fogen’s pretty much under CONTROL now.

      Reply
  556. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    According to O’Mara this is evidence of “prior good acts”…. no, crypt keeper, it is evidence that your client is a psycho and you know it

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:12 pm

      Oh damn call swat team, open garage door!

      Reply
      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

        IKR šŸ™„

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      • chi1224 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:16 pm

        This is good because some people think Trayvon must have been “acting suspicious” since Zimmerman called police, but this shows that asshole was always calling police– on innocent people!

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:22 pm

        @chi1224

        Great point. I reckon some of the jury at least had the impression Trayvon must have been doing something, one, I think on the panel, even said so much, and another on the panel told her kids not to go out late, i.e. lock themselves up by 6:00 pm like prisoners as the solution.

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  557. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    It is driving me crazy to not be able to watch the jury and their reactions.

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  558. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Did I hear Shelly say don’t go out there?

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  559. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    shellie zimmerman: gladys kravitz jr.

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  560. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    These NEN calls are more than a “nail”, they’re a DAGGER!

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  561. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    The beautiful brown girl attorney/intern behind the defense is showing inappropriate cleavage. I approve!

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  562. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    BDLR: The person who got up was the person on top, correct?

    Ms. Manalo: Yes.

    End of story.

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  563. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    The person on top was the person who got up! And there you have it!

    ________ ALL THE OTHER BS!

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  564. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    “The person who was on top was the person who got up?”
    “YES!”

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  565. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Question: the person who was on top was the person who got up?

    Answer: yes.

    More powerful than this, it canā€™t get.

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  566. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    This is where the jury will hopefully get to here the recordings, or at least descriptions, of GZĀ“s calls to report his false “suspects” ?

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      I think they are going to show that his harassing and stalking resulted in innocent people being questioned. I really hope the state shows loud and clear what a delusional psycho he is, what normal person calls police over nothing like he does?

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:10 pm

        Yes exactly. But I hope too they will hear over and over the voice of someone bored with nothing better to do than ring up over and over again to report “suspects” from 9 year old up!

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  567. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Here comes the prior calls!!!

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  568. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    OOH 911 is back!

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  569. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Good one BDLR…. the person who got up was the person on top! BOOM! and O’dirty made him self look like he was foolish trying to establish something known to be false as true.. GZ is bigger period…

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  570. sparger says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    “The one that got up was the one on top.” Oh snap!

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  571. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Bernie got in the last word and the most important one. The person who was on top was the person that got up.

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  572. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    bdlr “the person on top is the person who got up”

    looks like problem solved.

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  573. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    The person who was ON TOP was the person who got up. Bottom line!

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  574. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    “The person who was on top is the person who got up”
    “YES”

    SLAM

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  575. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    “Yes” the witness said to MOM! She didn’t follow all that at all.

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  576. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    OMG BERNIE JUST NAILED IT. The person who was on top was the person who got up? “YES.”

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:04 pm

      Yes, thank heavens Bernie got the last word.
      I think JN sounded ticked by MOM’s shenanigans, too!

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  577. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    The person on top is the person who got up. Yes .Thank you
    BOOM!!!

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  578. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Nice one Bernie
    “the person who was on top is the person who got up Right?”

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  579. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Bam person on top got up!

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    • disappointed says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      Suppose to be :Damn person on top got up. My fingers were very happy with her reply apparently.

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  580. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    O’Mara’s lengthy cross examination about the difference in size between TM and GZ was a waste of time because the autopsy report establishes that TM was 5’11” tall and he weighed 158 pounds.

    GZ said he weighed 207 pounds.

    That’s a 50 pound difference.

    Attempting to make TM the bigger of the two is a fool’s errand.

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  581. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Looking at the evil sister of Fogen, shows that the FAT gene runs in that family. looking at the father’s neck, it’s obvious that this man was heavy at one time as well and Gladazz, is pretty hefty as well.

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  582. sparger says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    I think the jury is smart enough to know a 5’11 158 lb guy is skinnier than a 5’9″ 204 lb guy. I don’t think O’Mara realizes he is emphasizing the size difference. He would be better off saying the woman was confused and didn’t know what she saw.

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  583. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    MOM has a bad habit of interrupting…that is what is confusing to the witness. This lady does not have a large vocabulary so MOM uses words to confuse her. She was agreeing but I don’t think she understood what she was agreeing to.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      I am confused by both MOM and Bernie and English is my primary language unlike this witness.

      Did witness not see Trayvon’s body that night and compare his size to GZ that night would be my question if I were the prosecutor.

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  584. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Fogen was bigger then too, that is the bottom line. She saw the BIGGER person on top. That is what she said.

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  585. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Couldn’t BDLR ask in what consisted the difference she observed between the two that made her think one was bigger and one smaller to elicit height, weight, broadness, etc. ?

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  586. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Geez, witness is confused and falling into MOM’s trap even as Bernie is working to rehabilitate her!

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  587. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    She has already told him she did not go outside.

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  588. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    oh good grief I wish this feed would quit stop start already it making me crazy

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  589. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    O’Dirty is trying to say she saw them on her husbands phone.

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  590. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Did MOM just succeed in getting her to change her testimony? Bernie’s got some cleaning up to do!

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  591. shannoninmiami says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    omar is trying to show that dark grainy pic taken from the 7/11 vid to make her think Trayvon was some giant dark figure! he’s such a slime!

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  592. Judy A Vallejos says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    this lady don’t like o’stupid at all look at the way she looks at him

    and thank you professor I finally figured out how to get two screens

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  593. towerflower says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    He is going for the football pic and the Hollister shirt pic. I bet the next thing is do you know how old he was in these pictures? This is a 12 yr old, this is a 14 yr old. How can you be sure that the smaller person was TM based on outdated photos you saw on the news?

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  594. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Has this buffering been going on all morning?

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  595. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I hope the jury is picking up on how omara is constantly trying to cheat. Its a terrible look.

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  596. TashaTexas77048 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    BDLR almost allowed a previously banned photo to be introduced into evidence.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      No, he didn’t. O’Mara tried to slip in an extra photograph, different from ones approved and BDLR objected.

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  597. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    This is so stupid. MOM always trying to pull some shit.

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    • Deborah Moore says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:00 pm

      Stop fighting it. This is who is is and with his client and evidence, it’s all he’s got.
      Is it too early for an herbal tea?

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  598. Sabrina B. says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    See how he is loosely showing pictures before a decision is made. First to the jury, then to the witness?

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  599. Sabrina B. says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Why is BDLR letting him pic apart witnesses by adding him own evidence as he goes along? How would the witness know it is Photoshopped?

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      It’s not that photo, it’s one of Trayvon’s dead body with the face exposed, I just glimpsed it as he waved it.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      No.. BDLR is letting him make a fool of him self… the facts clearly show GZ was bigger than TM at the time of the shooting..

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      • Sabrina B. says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm

        I hope there is a method to this madness.Even if they didn’t know before that O’Mara has tried this case in public opinion, they should know by now, given the shenanigans he has pulled so far. Each piece of evidence he gets in that corroborates his story is evidence that can influence jurors that may have seen the case being tried outside the court. Or jog their memories.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm

      it was the head shot of TM in a hoodie, one has a darker skin tone than the other……hence his photoshopped comment.

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  600. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Oh shit….. I hope she doesn’t change her mind on the stand

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  601. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    There are shenanigans afoot

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  602. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    She saw a big shadow and a smaller shadow.

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  603. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Where is the pic of TM on the horse, or in the Resees shirt

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  604. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    How would Mrs. Manalo know anything about pictures being sold to ABC?

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm

      I’m aware of the so called bloody head shot, but was O’Dirty also referring to Trayvon’s football pictures?

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    • Ms.X says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm

      He said her husband took the photo & sold the photo. He wouldn’t say to her “We got $300 for the photo of gz from the crime scene?”

      Reply
      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm

        Oh, I see. What you’re saying makes sense. So that’s why O’Dirty cut himself off when he mentioned ABC?

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  605. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    There he go trying to get that bloody photo in.

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  606. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    She seems to be now saying she used these photos for size comparison purposes, but didn’t BDLR ask her WHEN she saw these photos, and her answer was AFTER she stated size comparisons? WTF is going on – is West trying to solicit perjury?

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  607. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    What. Is the point of this Omara?

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm

      Trying to show she used old pics to determine Trayvon was the smaller person…. I don’t think it’s going to work.

      Reply
    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

      Along these lines, I’m surprised Fogen didn’t lose weight for the trial. He now looks like a beast.

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  608. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Mrs. Manolo really looks confused.

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    • Deborah Moore says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm

      Ah, see how different people can see different things?
      I think she looks concerned. As I would be with that creep was trying to Get Me To Change My Statements.

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  609. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Oh man, they are going to give OMara a soap box

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  610. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Okay, nevermind. I’m sleep deprived!!..lol

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  611. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    I dont think Mrs. Monolo knows what “prior to” means. Why not use the plain language before & after when talking to witnesses whose 1st language is not English, or who may have limited education? Stupid mistake.

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  612. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    The prosecution team has picked up on the fact that JN likes red and they mostly wear red ties.

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  613. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    what just happened?

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  614. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Is this witness intimidated by MOM? Could this be the reason BDLR is standing near?? Or clarifying a point?

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      MOM is still trying to establish GZ was the smaller person. After the photos I just saw of that child no jury will think he was the bigger person. He was a scrawny kid.

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

      I think he wanted to make sure exactly which photos he was showing the witness.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm

        Those photos were never entered into evidence; he just entered them and BDLR had no objection.

        Regardless, that kid was the smaller person no matter what she testify to and the jury will k now that once they see CS photos.

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  615. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I think the jurors will ask themselves- what would motivate Trayvon to attack Zimmerman?? He had no history of any kind of violence, Zimmerman was a complete stranger to him. It makes no sense what-so-ever. Fogen on the other hand, set out to get Trayvon thinking he was an “asshole trying to get away”…. I mean this is really a no-brainer.

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm

      Also, if they were “out of sight” from each other, is Trayvon a mind reader that he would know that GZ was getting out of his car to follow and he needed to circled back and attack?

      The whole fantasy story of GZ’s does not even make rational sense.

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    • God is there says:
      June 26, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      out of his own mouth lies the factual evidence that he was indeed profiling Trayvon. I’ve been praying ever since this happened that justice will be brought for Trayvon. I watched DD (Rachel) testify and I had to stop watching, I just broke down. I noticed that the court stenographer that was closest to DD, looked as if she had been moved to tears as well. did anyone else see that?

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    • Nellie Nell says:
      June 27, 2013 at 4:30 am

      His petty NEN calls prior to the murder speaks loudly and I am sure they will speak loudly to the jury. I am so glad that they played those calls. The one where Shellie told him not to go outside was also telling.

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  616. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    To clarify my post above

    “Who was just showing those pictures of TM clothing and his dead body on the ground dead on Mediate.com?”

    There was a live feed a few minutes ago that lasted about 3 minutes of TM uncovered on the ground someone took a picture from different angles and a close up of his face, hands, shirt, body. Next popped up a picture of Fogen concentrating on the bloody lips/mouth not nose.

    Right before the picture of TM the camera focused on his clothing (sweat shirt- grey) and Fogens red jacket and where pieces were removed from each.

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  617. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    JN is usually right on the money, with the time. Even though it’s only about 10 mins, it’s a bit unusual. Fogen stuck in the bathroom stall and can’t get through the door?

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  618. silk says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    would u think that the state is still holding back info . i mean those photo shop pictures should had been expose by now on an objection . i mean, may be nelson should had a hearing on those photos as well. and classify them as exibits . i mean , omara is still stuck on that bullshit idea that pork pig”s nose was broken . i mean this is the trail , y not the state get it all out . expose them. every time he waves that bull shit picture, the state should object and inform the court on its realness.

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  619. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Stupid question, but do any of you tech-type people know if there is some way hook streaming video of my phone to my TV so like use my TV as a monitor from my phone?

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  620. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    That child was as skinny as a rail. I’d say from looking a my son who is 6′ he as about a size 28/29 no more than 30 for the baggy look.

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  621. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Who was just showing those pictures of TM clothing and his dead body on the ground dead on Mediate.com?

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      What’s happening with the feed?

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        I don’t know but they just showed TM on the ground and a close up of his face and eyes partially open and rolled. I hope Sabrina does not have to see her child that way. She should remember him they way he was the last time she laid eyes on him.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm

        It cut off and went back to the seal. It only lasted about 3 mins.

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      • God is there says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:14 pm

        Sybrina did see it. they showed it yesterday. very sad, and I didn’t sleep very well last night.

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm

      A photo of Trayvon without the blanket cover, was shown for a split second yesterday before it was cut off feed, between the detail photos of his hands.

      are you talking about a witness. blonde woman? That would be the SPD crime scene technician and photographer who processed the evidence and did the scene photos that night.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        No they started off by showing pictures of TM clothing then it went to the scene of his body on the ground full length then a close up of his face. The feed went back to the court room with BDLR talking to MOM then nothing.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm

        They also showed that fake photo Fogen bloody nose but panned down to concentrate on the blood on his lips rather than the full frontal to see that it was photo shopped.

        I wonder if the prosecution know this happened.

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      • God is there says:
        June 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

        details that positively showed there was no fight!

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  622. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    knock

    knock

    who’s there

    blood

    you want blood

    hospital that way…

    no blood here!

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  623. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    eRegarding witnesses and jury impressions. So far…. It’s just my opinion but despite w18 and w1 if I were a juror I’d be thinking no one got a good view of the START of the fight or saw much up close.

    I still maintain this case hinges on credibility or lack therof of the defendant.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm

      I think it will hinge on the screams and Fogen’s lack of credibility. His lies are being exposed.

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm

      yes on your puzzle pieces witness statements

      But about the defendant’s credibilty, which we KNOW is a proven problem because we know of the bond issue, and we know of all the inconsistencies, and how he morphed his information after having pre-time of a full day off, for his so-called ‘re-enactment’.

      But how will the jury know through evidence, that the defendant is a liar and manipulator without his own testimony ‘in person’?

      The defendant has set up the ‘I’m the soft voice’ not the ‘dominant loud type person’ who witnesses heard that night, through his exemplar– that’s where West was leading, in the testimony of Jane most clearly.

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    • amsterdam1234 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm

      I don’t think so. Part of the jury instruction for justifiable force is physical abillity. The jury can take physical abillity into account. I think that is how it will end up. The jurors will decide whether the amount of force used by GZ was justifiable. If they believe GZ didn’t need to put a bullet in to Trayvon’s heart, I think they will find him guilty.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      I think credibility will be the most significant issue in play too. Even if as I feel it could in the end boil down to those last moments and his claim of self defence, if throughout trial he is continually being exposed as the liar he is, weaving the web of lies Guy referred to in opening, the jury will doubtfully believe he was reasonably in fear of his life or GBH.

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm

      Except there is a strange absence of blood on the victim, the ground, and the overall scene…for a “death match” and “senseless beating” that the defense exclaimed in the beginning. It looks like a running shuffle, kid screaming, and a shot and a circumstantial conclusion of following.

      If I were on the jury, I would wonder where the blood was in this “death match”?

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  624. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Defense has made a couple of points about media spin, or media caused early impressions of Trsyvon. I don’t know why they bring up the Hollister photo, yes Trayvon did a lot of growing, but he was only 16 1/2 years old when that photo was taken, the summer before he was killed by the Neighborhood Watch coordinator who was acting as a one man show without any block captains to back him up.

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  625. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I feel bad for these women who are testifying. I wonder if MOM and West will treat them men as ignorant saps when they get on the stand too? I hope the jury is paying attention to the way they are treating people who heard a murder. Would the jurors want the same treatment if they took the stand? It seems they think these residents owe Fogen something? If anything because of him there has NOW been a murder in their quiet Retreat.

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    • ay2z says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm

      MOM is confusing the witness with his on and on and big words, technique. The last witness was clearly cold. State should have someone to advise the witnesses to bring a light sweater along. Hard not to be nervous, I thought she did quite well. Not everyone has the perfect testimony that covers everything, the jury can assign values to the testimony and fill in the blanks, knowing these are human observers.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      I was thinking he might treat the men worse, that he’s going easy on the women. I hate to say it, but he’s doing his job. This is what they do. I is trying to trip someone up so he can say to the jury, “see, see – if they did that, you can’t believe anything.” It is part of the whole reasonable doubt thing and it’s a fine line because they have to find a way to do it withoug turning the jury against thime and they haven’t been very successful so far. So far the witnesses are standing by their stories.

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      • bettykath says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm

        A lawyer who treats witnesses with the condescension that MOM does just ticks me off. He probably expects that it just puts the witnesses off so they will make a mistake but I expect the jurors won’t like it much either.

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  626. fauxmccoy says:
    June 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    good morning people — still AM in CA. could not make myself get up at 6, 9 is just so much more civilized.

    great to hear about the prior NEN tapes, look forward to catching up on testimony.

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  627. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:59 am

    2 minute bell (figuratively speaking)

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  628. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:57 am

    It is only going to get more difficult for the defense as witnesses take the stand. Prosecution is calling witnesses in a meticulous order and laying out the facts. I went back and listened to some of the defense opening statements and the prosecution is picking their version apart.

    Every lie GZ gold is being refuted with fact. The witnesses are not contradicting themselves, none so far have told the same story for the defense to pick apart b/c non saw or heard the same thing at the same time.

    I believe three things is going to happen: 1. Rachel story will be the nail in the coffin supported by 2. evidence by GPS of where TM was 3. proof someone was in that truck with Fogen or called and told him about TM to profile him in the first place. I wonder if that was his sister or Taaffe sp?

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  629. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Guys, I’m trying to catch the first part from this morning, and I can’t get Trent’s video to play. Will someone pop over to youtube and see if it will play for them. I want to see if it’s the video Trent loaded that is the problem or my computer. TIA

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  630. Hereslookingatyou says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Have any of the witnesses yet said they saw Trayvon sit up after being shot in the heart and resume speaking

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  631. My Forehead Tho says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Somebody made an excellent point on twitter. They said “If it’s rain, how did it wash blood off everything BUT #Zimmerman’s head & face? #Trayvon

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    • crazy1946 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:44 am

      Well if you use Don West’s logic it would have to be because his head was enclosed in a paper bag to preserve the evidence, or was that a white sheet, can’t seem to remember…..

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    • looolooo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:49 am

      BINGO! Excellent point.

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  632. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Is it witness 18 who is up now? I wonder when her husband will testify. He talked to Fogen right after the shot.

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  633. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I never posted videos here so not sure if it will work…this the song that just came to mind.

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  634. Mandelbaum says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Does anyone else think that Kyra Phillips on HLN is an imbecile? And biased in favor of fogen?

    She can’t wrap her head around the fact that a person can be black and hispanic. She’s never heard of Zoe Saldana, Hugo Chavez, Antonio Fargas, Camilla Alvez, Christina Milian, George Standford Brown, Jon Secada, Rosario Dawson, Rosie Perez, fogen’s great grand father, as well as millions of black hispanic people in Cuba, Peru, Brazil, Venezuela, etc. etc. etc.

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  635. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I am waiting to hear Taaffe, Rachel, Shelly, and the parents.

    Lets see if Taaffe is willing to commit perjury for his friend.
    Lets see Rachel impeach his entire story. If MOM attack that child there will be hell to pay.
    Lets see Shelly admit she was in the car that night.
    I want to hear PapaZ say his son was screaming from his head getting pounded into the sidewalk and call everyone racist against his boy.
    Gladys, I want her to look Sabrina in the face and say GZ was screaming with a straight face.

    I bet non of the Zs can look Tracy and Sabrina in the face while lying.

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    • looolooo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:45 am

      I’d love for DdlR to grill papa Z on his many comments on this case, as well as in his worst selling book.

      I want to hear his answers as to why he thinks that any time 1 or more balaack people gather together, they’re officially racist againt lilly whites like himself and his ‘oh so very white looking’ wife and litter.

      I PRAY that some one is looking into any potentially racially biased practices during his employment as a Magistrate Judge. The man has proven to be severly mentally impared, and obviously (I suppose previously closeted racist) racist/predjudiced. There has got to be something. No way this man could judge a balaack person fairly.

      I said it months ago here, but again, I think that his mental and racial instability is why he is retired from the bench at such a young age, especially when they are of such modest means. It’s likely that he was forced to retire, and moved out of VA in disgrace.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm

        Funny that he married a black woman of Latino heritage (darker than me), have mixed kids, convinced the kids they are white, and taught them to be racist. Did I mention his black Latino wife is actually white……. no afro Peruvian which afro means black right/

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 1:35 pm

        Uh … people don’t move out of VA in disgrace. They move IN in disgrace. Especially magistrates and judges! When someone moves out we call it an “escape.” More than one? Exodus.

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  636. looolooo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Is me, or is it strange that the witnesses who actually live in the complex and heard or saw some of what happened, watched so little TV about the case? Neither saw the 7-11 video, or the photo of Trayvon on the horse taken days before his murder? Weird.

    Looking at the shots of Gracie Killzerman, she seems to have inherited both of her parents hawty arrogance.

    Thank GOD JN has allowed for fogen’s other calls to be heard in court.

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  637. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I liked the way the last witness would correct MOM with her answers…She is not allowing MOM to put words in her mouth.

    I interviewed with a lot of folks.
    I may have but no one asked that question

    My greatest joy was the bloody nose pictures…. I don’t remember see blood on his face..teehhee hysterical over hear.

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    • BillT says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:47 am

      how does that square with fogens claim to police that he couldnt even SEE because he had so much blood in his eyes?

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  638. crazy1946 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Now that we are in a break, can anyone give us a brief bio of the new juror?

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    • crazy1946 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:32 am

      Wow, I guess one of my internal computer chips shorted out, the removed juror was one of the back ups! One small thing that confuses me (well, I guess I’m easily confused) is that the “alleged sheriffs dept. employee that went to the bench before Judge Nelson about this person, went first to MOM and not to the BDLR, anyone have a guess why he would have done that, unless MOM is having the jurors checked out by investigators? Is this allowed or perhaps should this be allowed?

      Reply
    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:33 am

      What new juror?

      Reply
      • crazy1946 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:40 am

        I could do a song and dance like MOM, I could give a long drawn out non answer like West, or I can simply admit that I went into brain fade and it did not register before I posted that question that the juror that was removed was a stand by. Whoops! Please don’t beat me with whips and chains, because I might start to like it! šŸ˜‰

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        • cielo62 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm

          crazy~ thou art truly crazy!

          ________________________________

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          • crazy1946 says:
            June 27, 2013 at 11:24 am

            Wow, I finally have my internet back on line after a full day with it being down! I’ll never catch up with the posts and will have to play catch up on the trial….

    • Dave says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm

      The dismissed juror was an alternate. He will not be replaced.

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  639. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I hear that after the trial MOM & skeletor have a contract to go on tour with the Comedy Club & Laugh Factory…

    “Knock knock”

    “Who’s there?”

    “Us”

    “Us who?”

    “Us Losers”

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    • crazy1946 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

      I don’t think they would be any better as comedians than they are as lawyers! Perhaps we could buy them some property in Iran and set them up as pig farmers? That would be a great career for them, good fringe benefits as well….

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:50 am

        Iranian pig farmers in a country full of people who don’t eat pork? Shut ’em down, Crazy! Excellent idea. šŸ™‚

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    • Beverly says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:22 am

      And no one will laugh….Thanks.

      Reply
      • Rachael says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:35 am

        Actually, it is a whole lot funnier than when “skeletor” told it – which he stole from OJ’s trial. Not sure what the implications of that would be.

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:40 am

      OMG mountain man, you could write scripts for the Daily Show.

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  640. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Court will be in recess for lunch until 1:10 pm

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    • KA says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am

      Professor, do you have any “off the top of the head” thoughts on how damaging these witnesses are? This seems a bad day for the defense, but I know juries are sometimes a wild hair.

      I think that the defense may be coming on so strong on cross (especially to women and the sharp tone to the judge) that they are making the female tone deaf to him.

      I know I would have a heard time with their seemingly biased tactics.

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      • SearchingMind says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm

        It is always good to come on strong during cross examination. But Oā€™Mara and West are doing it the wrong way. Oā€™Mara shows frustration, physical aggression and rudeness. He overtly disrespects witnesses. West gets repetitive, argumentative and boring. So far they have not been able to impeach any witness (on any point that matters). With the exception of Wendy (the one GZ would have married if Shellie wasnā€™t already in the picture), all the witnesses so far have not been good to GZ.

        And things are going to get worse and GZ knows that. Remember when the Prosecution started playing one of GZā€™s NEN-calls? I know you do. Find the video and watch GZā€™s reaction(s) before Oā€™Mara objected. Oh my, GZ awoke immediately from sleep, sat up quickly, his eyes flickered in fear and bewilderment, etc.

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  641. silk says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:03 am

    @Tzar , y you say that ??

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  642. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:03 am

    It’s not working… “You haven’t seen the Hollister picture”? No…., May I have a moment your honor…. it’s a moot point, anyone can see from the recent pics that GZ is and was bigger the Trayvon, the jury knows that and the witness who saw them that night was smart enough to know as well… the defense is struggling…

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:05 am

      Did this witness see the incredibly thin Trayvon lying dead in the grass?

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      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:13 am

        Yes she did… their argument is disgusting, they are even trying til this day, to argue that Trayvon was the bigger person, taller by a few inches does not mean bigger… Don’t they always want to defer to the FACTS!!! Well the fact is 185lbs is bigger than 158 pounds any way you look at it!

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:22 am

        Fogen was 205 pounds on 2/25/2012 right?

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      • ladystclaire says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:43 am

        @Trial-is-underway-baby, how in the world could he (Fogen) weigh 185 on the night in question, and then he clocks in at 205lbs. the very next day at his PA appointment?

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Fogen didn’t help himself by eating his way into absolute massiveness today.

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      • ladystclaire says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:45 am

        LOL, that’s a good thing!

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        • jm says:
          June 26, 2013 at 11:55 am

          Not only does GZ look like a person who would throw his weight around but his obesity makes him look like he is the self-indulgent person who would have no problems taking the law into his own hands. His drugged state of mind making him emotionless doesn’t do him any favors either. And he is defended by the crypt keepers. Ugly crew on the defense.

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  643. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:02 am

    welp, couldn’t get much from her… its gonna be a long long lunch for the defense…

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  644. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Yeah, you’ll be back when I start work. sigh.

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  645. Elizabeth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Don’t forget she saw Trayvon dead on the ground she did not use the pictures alone to come to the conclusion that she saw Zimmerman on top before the shot.

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  646. sparger says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:02 am

    They keep badgering that woman about photos. I laughed when she said the gray hoodie shot.

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  647. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:01 am

    This IMBECILE is trying to get this witness to say, that Trayvon was bigger than Fogen. UNBELIEVABLE TO SAY THE LEAST!

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:07 am

      I agree. He just whiffed in his attempt to show “reasonable doubt” in her determination of who was smaller. That’s not “reasonable” at all. If I was on the jury I’d be getting peeved at the obvious attempts to insult my intelligence.

      Openminded does not equal stupid.

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:36 am

      STEE-RIKE!

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  648. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    PS – I still think Mr. Guy is a hottie. (And, yes, I am old enough to be his mother, but I’m not dead yet.)

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    • mountainmanpat says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:05 am

      Naw….U’r just a Cougar šŸ™‚

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    • Woow! says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:06 am

      There is nothing wrong with getting your cougar on!!!

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    • bettykath says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:06 am

      don’t tell anyone but I agree. and i’m older than dirt.

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    • looolooo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:07 am

      You may think he’s a hottie. But I KNOW he’s a HOTTIE! Yum!

      I may be married, but I’m still human. šŸ˜€

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      • looolooo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:09 am

        Oh, and BdlR ain’t too far behind him (looks wise), and Mantei is such a cutie-patooty, with his pouty little boy face.

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    • Judy75201 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:16 am

      Sorry, I can’t see any man as acceptable now that I have seen Thorin Majestic.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:29 am

      You mean you all don’t want some of those two crypt keepers?
      lmao

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      • jm says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:46 am

        Being human, if I were a juror I would be more apt to believe the good-looking self-assured guys prosecution team than the 2 ugly and annoying defense attorneys. PLUS they are defending that obese bloated emotionless defendant who killed a teen walking home from the convenience store armed with a cool drink and some Skittles. (And some of the BS that comes out of the defense team, like Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk is not just laughable but an insult to the juror’s intelligence. If Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk, so was GZ.)

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    • Puck says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:58 am

      I’m more of a Mantei guy. šŸ˜‰

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    • Cercando Luce says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:44 pm

      I’m glad the Frederick Leatherman Law Blog is doing such a fine job of keeping our observations discreetly under wraps so as not to distract or embarrass these fine men from their important work.

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  649. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    O’Mara must think the jurors are stupid

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:03 am

      I think he probably does. And he certainly misjudged the witnesses.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:03 am

      MOM is stupid for being rude and condescending to the women witnesses in front of 6 female jurors. Seems to me the defense attorneys are annoying the jurors just as they are annoying us (and Judge Nelson).

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  650. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    OK–now O’Mara’s trying to blame the media–pulling out the info about the pictures. She decided who was bigger based on the news photos. As it happens, the jury saw the pics yesterday of the body lying dead on the ground–they know who was the smaller of the two. And even at 130# lighter, George outweighed him by 50#.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:19 am

      Hmmm…I wonder to if she actually meant she’d seen that old pic of GZ when he was heavier. That photo MOM showed her wasn’t circulating back then.

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  651. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Oā€™Mara is desperately trying to pierce through this ladyā€™s armor. But so far not working. And BDLR is clearly not allowing Oā€™Mara to use the same tactics he used on Ms. Baladour on this witness.

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  652. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Well Mr. MO’M – have a taste of your own medicine now. How do you like it??!!!

    AH

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  653. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Don’t wig out folks, prosecution will clean that up. It undisputable that TM is smaller than GZ. The jury can see that with their own two eyes.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:01 am

      Yep….no big thing. remember she also saw everything on scene when it became lit up by porch lights, flashlights, and other lighting.

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  654. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am

    The pictures fogen supporters have been whining about are now an issue? Seriously?

    STRAIGHT from the crackhouse!

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  655. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:57 am

    This witness is much stronger than I had thought she would be.
    Good on her.

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  656. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I thought that opportunity came way back then and only depended on that she saw GZ on the news.

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  657. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I wonder if Fogen had any CPR training in the past??…..

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  658. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Fred said: The most striking thing to me is the absence of any emotional reaction to the 911 call recording by the defendant. If his life had been in any danger, I would have expected him to react to hearing the call.”

    He may very well be on beta-blockers to control any stress response.

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    • Lynn says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:08 am

      Wasn’t on a beta-blocker on 2-26-12 when he showed no stress response then.

      Reply
    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:17 am

      He needs more than beta blockers, IMHO, he needs FACE blockers and HEAD blockers and MOUTH blockers (most of all) and he needs BELLY blockers and he needs … oh well, you know.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:18 am

      That would be an odd defense strategy, trying to make your client look like a robot or something. But then again, maybe it’s medically necessary if this killer’s “stress response” is known to be violence!

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      • Judy75201 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm

        I’m wondering if he hasn’t turned into a crying blubbering tub o’jelly and is unfit for public interaction without medication. I wonder if his legal team is afraid of what he might blurt out or if he might crumble to the floor if he is not medicated

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  659. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Defense struggling today, can’t wait till Ms. Rumph comes back to speak about the prior 911 calls and establish GZ’s state of mind…This ass hole (GZ) will not get away!

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  660. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Sunny Hostin is on the View. Says The Wiester’s opening was so flat, and how hard it was for the Fulton/Martin family to see the pictures. Hostin said the only voice expert they need is Ms. Fulton.

    Judge Pirro is also there. She said The Wiester was so out of line with those jokes and should have been stopped. Also said she has no doubt he left a negative impression with the jurors. She said it was so insulting to the family and the court. She said if it were her she would sue The Wiester.

    They both said Guy gave a very powerful and effective opening.

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  661. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Fogen’s sister has a tat just under collarbone, Is she a “thug”?

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  662. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Bill Sheaffer pronouncing “Surdyka” as “Sedaka.” Da da da down doobie doo, down down…

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  663. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Looks like Bernie is going in on O’Mara right now about that photo! The Prosecution being far more aggressive today than yesterday and it’s taking it’s toll on the tired, unprepared defense.

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  664. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Another thing I (anyway) consider important about Jane Surdyka that BDLR didn’t get to is that she was the only witness who saw the events uninterrupted. As emotional as she became, she never turned away. And if you filter out her emotional tone, you’ll realize that she was very precise in her 911 call about what she saw and heard, and what she was not able to see or hear. She was not at all “confused” as Jeralyn and the Zimmietards would have you believe. You don’t become a world class marathon runner without having/developing the ability to persevere on task through pain and emotion. As such, I find her testimony more credible than that of other witnesses.

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:55 am

      People always confuse emotions and emotional people with instability, often thinking that unemotional people (like GZ) have it all together.

      Reply
      • Mirre says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:50 am

        GZ is driven by emotions. That is the danger with people who deny the value of their emotional side. They mix up what they are feeling, with what is taking place in the real world. They react to their emotions and then rationalize their reactions by imagining real world events.

        Or in other words, they consider themselves to be rational, so when they feel an emotion like fear or anger, in their mind it has to have been triggered by a real event.

        When you are in touch with your emotional side, you know that sometimes the emotions you feel, have not been triggered by an external event, but by an internal trigger.

        A person who acknowledges his emotions, realizes that when another person triggers fear or anger within him, it is not necessarily the other person who causes those emotions.
        If you are not in touch with that side, emotions of fear or anger are automatically placed on the outside. So if they feel fear, that fear must be real and exist outside of themselves.

        These people should not be allowed to walk around with a loaded gun. These people are typically the people who feel their is a real need to carry a gun.

        There is nothing rational about a regular citizen to choose to carry a gun. Statistics show, that your risk of dying a violent death caused by a gun, increases the moment you purchase a gun. The only reason to carry a gun anyway, is emotional not rational.

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    • anita says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

      Please, someone tell me who is Jeralyn? I tho’t I was really up on the case, but don’t know who she is. Please explain. Thanks

      Reply
      • camanokat says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm

        She is a pro-Zim lawyer who hosts the Talk Left website.

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      • aussie says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm

        Jeralyn Merritt, owner of the TalkLeft blog, defence laywer who claims to be fair and balanced but is totally pro-GZ. Has banned many a poster who points out her “facts” are contrary to published evidence.

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  665. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:48 am

    The defense is really representing wht is effed up about the justice system. They care nothing about justice or the truth. They are deliberately trying to obscure the truth & praying to get a murderer off on a technicality. smh.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:49 am

      I agree, it’s disgusting. They know damn well it wasn’t Fogen screaming for help. How do they sleep at night?

      Reply
      • jm says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:52 am

        Smoke, mirrors and confusion. That is the the West/MOM tactical game.

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      • Mojo says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:47 am

        chi1224: MOM and the defense team are doing what they are supposed to do… defend their client to the best of their ability, regardless of guilt or innocence… just like a doctor is ethically bound to administer medical care to someone like Charles Manson, for example. It’s sometimes difficult for us non-lawyers to understand that. It might seem unethical to us that MOM is defending a guy he likely knows is guilty. But, I believe it would be a breach of legal ethics if he didn’t defend him to the best of his ability. Given that… I still think MOM, like his client, is a POS.

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  666. shannoninmiami says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

    that pic is in evidence now?? i can’t stand that no one has said anything about it.

    yet witness here doesn’t remember seeing zim’s face like that is telling….
    it’s telling me that pic DOES NOT represent zim’s nasty distorted evil face. that shows blood and badly shopped nose job.

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

      I would imagine that they will interview the officer who took it about what he took it for and how long it was in his phone/computer before he gave it to anyone. Maybe better to subtly introduce the possibility of the photo being altered by police rather than try to prove it and get it eliminated.

      I just figured out yesterday that the two head shots were taken by two different people. The one in the back of the cruiser was taken by a cop to show to various residents to see if they knew Zimmerman. The back of the head shot was taken by the neighbor at Z’s request. Why would he take the back of the head and not the bloody face? Maybe it didn’t get all bloody until after a bit?

      Still skeptical about the head lumps and whether they are actually contusions or just they normal shape of his head. Their pattern certainly doesn’t support attack with a deadly sidewalk.

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      • lady2soothe says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:18 pm

        @ lurker:

        Still skeptical about the head lumps and whether they are actually contusions or just they normal shape of his head. Their pattern certainly doesnā€™t support attack with a deadly sidewalk.

        Possibly why he’s let his hair grow out, so no one can see they’re the natural contours of his head.

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  667. Medusausi (@Medusausi) says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “MOM: So you didn’t see fogen’s face?
    Witness: Not with all that blood on it.”

    *DEAD*

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  668. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Mark O’Mara pushing that fake picture of a bloody nose.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:11 am

      Yep, and West making big deal about the blood on the face pic was still “glistening”…yet, EMS found blood on back of his head had dried?!

      Reply
  669. Lynn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MOM didn’t like that she wouldn’t say she saw Fogen’s bloody nose. I need a minute your Honor.

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  670. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:45 am

    HAHA! She didn’t see any blood on thekiller’s face.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:09 am

      It was obvious the injuries to his face was just the minor bleeding that Wagner took pic of…else Jon w13, would have been snapping away!

      Reply
  671. ladystclaire says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I can’t believe they allowed that photo shopped photo to come in as evidence. smdh!

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

      I concluded a long time ago Fogen got his boo-boos when the struggle went to the ground as Trayvon kept trying to get away. I think the jury will conclude that too. There is no DNA from Zimmerman on Trayvon’s hands or cuffs. How could he have been hitting a bloody face?

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am

      Yeah, but did you hear what she said? She said, “I didn’t see the face like that” and then said she didn’t see the blood – then went on to say that she only saw it from the side. LOL MO’M is having a very bad day.

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  672. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I am starting o think that all the dancing that O’Mara is doing is for naught

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  673. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:42 am

    The way Oā€™Mara says “M’Kay” (i.e. Ok) reminds me of South Parkā€™s Mr. Mackey: the wimp (school’s counselor), who says randomly “M’Kay”.

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  674. Lynn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Does that poster that MOM is holding up show TM body outside of the first, almost the second house, on the left?? Like in the reenactment? I thought it was by the third house.

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  675. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I want to hear the audio & omara obviously doesn’t want anymore audio played today. Why is that, omara?

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    • standingwave says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:55 am

      Liar Liar (1997):
      Fletcher: Your honor, I object!
      Judge: Why?
      Fletcher: Because it’s devastating to my case!
      Judge: Overruled.
      Fletcher: Good call!

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  676. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Smart people choose their battles. Capiche?

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  677. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Ain’t working, is it MO’M

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  678. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:37 am

    shadows= silhouettes

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  679. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Why isn’t BDLR objecting to an unofficial transcript?

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:09 am

      I don’t know. And also to some mysterious photographs that apparently are not introduced as evidence. How can it be clear for the record and the jurors what photos, exactly, MOM and this witness are attempting to discuss.

      I wonder why MOM doesn’t have to have the transcripts he has witnesses read marked as an exhibit and entered into evidence? Maybe they were already, but I can’t tell.

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  680. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Seems as though Mrs. Manalo is saying it started at the T then moved down to John’s backyard.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:34 am

      GZ chased TM down there…

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    • RobertSF says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:36 am

      She originally said the sound moved “closer,” but O’Mara kept implying that meant from the T southwards, and this meek woman just isn’t the type of person to say, “No, I said ‘closer,’ and I meant ‘closer.'”

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  681. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:29 am

    REMINDER: Austin and his dog were outside in the area.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:42 am

      I think the dog ran away to the South, as Austin lost sight of the confrontation when chasing the dog. So I think Austin was never up by the location of the body where Selene or Jeanee could have heard him.

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  682. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:29 am

    O’dirty is up…. West Down, this should be good…

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  683. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am

    O’Mara having to rely on earwitnesses and asking which direction it was moving, Hmm.

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  684. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Trial theater: BDLR pasting the witness names on his chart one by one. He’s obviously setting up a metaphor for the accumulation of evidence and testimony, and familiarizing the jury with something he plans to use as a central prop in his closing.

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  685. MrSykes says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Dang BDLR, stop apologizing for every little thing, LOL.

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    • RobertSF says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:33 am

      I agree. It’s annoying after a while. It’s also annoying that they have computer problems. It’s 2013, not 1983. The excuse of being over 40 no longer works.

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  686. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Oh… She said it began to her right… north… wow. These witnesses are all over the place. Standing… on the ground… sound began south… north. Goodness.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:24 am

      But nobody is backing up Fogen’s account. I go back to the OS when Guy said each is like a slice of what happened.

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    • TashaTexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:29 am

      The most important thing is none of them saw or heard a fight. It was clearly a scuffle, wrestling, one person trying to flee from another but being held type of scenario. That much is clear. From what they describe, Zimmerman, who wasn’t being beaten was not crying in pain. So for what reason would Martin want to detain Zimmerman while Zimmerman screamed? Clearly, all these witnesses saw was Zimmerman detaining Martin.

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    • RobertSF says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:30 am

      Most of the witnesses are very poor quality witnesses — older or meek, easily intimidated, unsure, etc. I was really surprised when the teacher, Surdyka, clearly didn’t know what “defer” meant when O’Mara asked her if she “deferred to Cerino’s judgment.”

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      • chi1224 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:33 am

        Really?? I think they have been credible and sincere.

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      • groans says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:48 am

        The neighborhood witness are just regular folks, and probably most – if not all – have never testified in court before or been subjected to aggressive cross-examination during a “high profile” (as MOM loves to say) murder trial.

        The LE and forensics witnesses always look more polished on the stand, because they are! They testify all the time.

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    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am

      Sounds changes relative to position within an area of structures. A person along one side will hear it differently that an person on the opposite side, because the structures sound is bouncing off of is different. Open windows, doors, gaps between buildings will all change the effect, both of what you hear and how the sound travels/is absorbed.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:45 am

      @chi1224 – I don’t think Robert is attacking their credibility…just that they don’t seem confident in their testimony on cross.

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    • dianetrotter says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:37 am

      It didn’t sound like she knew where it was from. I think O’Mara led her into the direction because she had no idea and accepted what he said.

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  687. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:21 am

    She said to the right? Wouldn’t that be the T?

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  688. Girlp says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:19 am

    So if she did not look outside until she heard a shot that would have to be Zimmerman on top…when he was patting Trayvon down hoping to find a weapon

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  689. Stormwatch says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:19 am

    The witnesses seem to be establishing the movement and location(s) of both individuals while on the property. Since both TM and GZ had cellphones that were in use, I’m wondering if the state has any gps evidence off either TM’s or GZ’s cell phone(s) to track the movement of both individuals which would corroborate what the witnesses are saying.

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  690. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Wow! Did she just say the sounds began south and moved north!

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  691. Mojo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I can’t stop smiling. GZ is toast. And he’s beginning to realize it. My 81 year old mother, who knows very little about this case, has been watching the trial on HLN and also thinks GZ is toast. And this is coming from a woman raised in TX in the 30’s and 40’s who possesses a fair amount of institutionalized racism. She couldn’t take it seeing Tracy and Sabrina crying. I’m sure that speaks to the all female jury too.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:18 am

      My husband didn’t follow the case either but has been watching it now, and he too thinks Zimmerman is toast.

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:27 am

        Corn bread toast.
        You grow corn and grind it up and make it into cornbread and toast it, you GET corn bread toast! (Thanks, Taaffe!)

        Slap some jelly on that guy and … oops, nevermind. šŸ˜³

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    • Mary Davis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

      @ Mojo. My mother is 98, in sound mind but has a little dementia. She is the first one to tell me that President Obama would be president, (even when I didn’t believe it). So believe your mother, ok. When you have lived that long, you have what is called motherwith. BTW she was also born and reared in Texas.

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  692. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

    She said the movement began to her right. Where was her condo located again?

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  693. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

    What strikes me is that not one person saw punches thrown. Tells me a lt.

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  694. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Another witness that establishes the movement of the struggle.

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  695. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Quick! Get her facebook page & a Filipino interpreter, Omara

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  696. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:14 am

    “I believe it was Zimmerman”

    YES!!!!!

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

      I think, though, Bernie should have gotten her to clarify what she meant by bigger, GZ wasn’t that big then…so does she mean bigger in the sense of height, or body width.

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  697. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:14 am

    BOOM >> GZ ON TOP AGAIN

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  698. elcymoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

    This case isn’t going to hinge on any one witness or piece of evidence, IMO, and we may not see any of the ‘bombshells’ we’ve anticipated. It’s going to be a matter of the prosecution placing one dot after another and then connecting them all for the jury. GZ doesn’t have many dots to offer.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:16 am

      you are correct! My wife and I were discussing how the prosecution was presenting everything in chronological order and doing a good job of it to lead the jury to the correct verdict

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  699. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:12 am

    @robert a good Lawyer never ask a question he doesn’t know the answer to. This is why he ask his question in this manner, I don’t care or the way he present either.

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  700. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Does anyone remember what she told police?

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  701. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:09 am

    She saw someone hitting??

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:11 am

      I believe she will say she saw GZ hitting.. I think she is the witness who said after seeing the news, the bigger person was on top and to her it was fogen

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      • chi1224 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

        Oh good! I thought I recalled that but I didn’t remember the hitting. I hope she is allowed to say it.

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  702. RobertSF says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I think BDLR has a weakness — he doesn’t ask concise, succinct question, but goes on long enough to sometimes confuse the witness.

    Instead of “What kind of fruit did you see?” he’ll ask, “Did you see any fruit? An orange, some grapes, a melon, some strawberries?”

    But I could be wrong.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:22 am

      @RSF- no you make the same observation I did on yesterday’s thread. If he asked more detailed, concise questions, and followed through where clarification is needed. It could limit the defenses ability to impeach and or turn state witness into one for defense as with Dorival.

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    • TashaTexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:22 am

      I agree. He is better at cross than at direct IMO

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:25 am

      I agree. Leading questions seem to be BDLR’s best friend – which is great for cross exam, but it’s really bad form (and technically, improper) for direct exam.

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    • SearchingMind says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am

      All prosecutors and attorneys have their weaknesses. To be honest, BDLR belongs to the top echelon in terms of effectiveness and mastery of criminal trials. I call him Sky-Hawk not for nothing. A true predator (as Professor once said).

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  703. elcymoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Some of the comments I caught over at WFTV, where I’m watching, jumped to claim this witness was ‘biased because she’s so emotional’. Let’s pray we don’t have any ignoramuses like that on the jury.

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    • amsterdam1234 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:09 am

      We have an all female jury. Women know that you can be emotional and rational at the same time. Jane said in that 911 call, why would anyone want to shoot someone like that. A young boy. She didn’t know them, it was dark but still she knew an adult male had just killed a boy. That is powerful.

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      • Nef05 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:34 am

        And since that’s exactly what happened, there’s no reason to doubt anything else she said.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm

        amsterdam~ well said! She was emotional because someone just got KILLED! Then she is rational in being able to explain it coherently. STAR witness.

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        • amsterdam1234 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm

          I think she was a star witness. I expected her to be just that. I didn’t expect her to testify to an all female jury. I expect she will have a big impact.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:24 am

      Hmmm, weird idea. A person has to find a murder in their backyard perfectly acceptable and remain unbiased toward the murderer in order to be trusted as a witness? That would mean that, hey, anybody who saw the Twin Towers fall would not be a reliable witness to the event unless they figured the planes crashing into them was not an evil deed, right?

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  704. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Wow, it’s surely a day for tears.
    Computer in the kitchen, I’m crying watching and listening to this case.
    TV on in the living room, covering the DOMA and Prop 8 SCOTUS decisions. The crowd is joyous and there was just a press conference with David Boies and the couples who brought the case in CA. Joyous tears.
    Bring on the Justice!

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    • willisnewton says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:09 am

      hear hear. Millions of americans have been whiplashed by the SCOTUS in the last 48 hours.

      In texas a INSANE filibuster ended with the felonious attempt of the GOP to record an illegal vote to close many abortion clinics, but thankfully it was shut down by the dems.

      THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES

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      • Deborah Moore says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

        I saw that too.
        It’s challenging to do sometimes, but, Keep The Faith. And, Never Give Up.

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      • Woow! says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

        Now they are trying to outlaw rape kits because they can cause abortions….. I wish some of these stupid women legislators and their family member would get raped and see how it feels when the perp cannot be brought to justice b/c a rape kit was not taken.

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am

        Yes, the attack is happening on so any different fronts. Its crazy.
        Its almost like the struggle will never end. Maybe thats just life.

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    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm

      Deborah~ A great milestone in human equality! HURRAY@!

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  705. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Did Bernie get her to testify that she heard a dog howling?

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

      Not a dog howling – a howling sound.

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      • groans says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:21 am

        Right. But then Bernie said, “Did you say howling? Like a dog howling?” And she answered, “Yes.”

        That’s the problem with leading questions on direct exam – they don’t elicit a great transcript of witnesses” stories. (And it’s the reason to use leading questions on cross exam – to “lead” the witness to agree with whatever you just said.)

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  706. willisnewton says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:02 am

    where is the site that is archiving the trial every half hour? someone mentioned it yesterday….

    i missed the first hour. Tuned in when West was cross examining W18. She obviously found him distasteful, but didnt fall for his line of questioning much.

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  707. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Its really interesting how so many of the witnesses have moved away. It says a lot.

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  708. Stormwatch says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:00 am

    How can they put him on the stand if he is so heavily medicated? Additionally, BDLR and Co. would have a field day with him.

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  709. Ms.X says:
    June 26, 2013 at 10:00 am

    I’m digging JN’s necklace on the outside of her robe (doubly so because she allowed the phone calls into evidence). I recall seeing Sandra Day O’Connor wearing pearls, & Ruth Baeder Ginsberg with a lacy collar. I like how the female judges jazz it up.

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    • abbyj1 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      MsX, and let’s not forget Judge Judy’s famous lacy collars, either. Very delicate and a little misleading—like when she comes down on lying A-holes like a ton of bricks.

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  710. silk says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

    hay every 1 , i wondering , can the state object wen the defense repeat the same scenario over and over . for instant , west seems to be dragging the witness , then repeating the same situation , when he was clearly given an answer

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    • SoulSistaWoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

      Yes, the prosecution can and did object (ask and answered) and Judge Nelson, allowed the witness to answer one more time and then sustained the objection when the question was once again repeated.

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  711. crazy1946 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Unless the defense team comes up with something pretty quick, I will predict they will have no option on whether to put the Fogdoit on the stand or not. It looks like he might be the only real witness that they will have that can/will verify his story….

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  712. Unabogie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Regarding her testimony, she also put the initial argument as happening over where the body ended up and not by the T. She said that it happened in between the first and second house, which incidentally conforms with what Selene Bahadoor said yesterday. If you’re just starting to follow the case, this is important because the defendant claimed he was walking back to his truck when he was attacked and would have no good reason to be in between the houses at all. So that’s two witnesses who contradict the defendant.

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    • YQ says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

      As well as the walk-through where he never mentions advancing down the T. Now there will have to be some sort of explanation as to how he got so far down there. Trayvon ran towards the back entrance. How is it that he was able to return so quickly and have enough wind to deal a straight-up fade? And that 2-5-10 minute conversation deads the whole confrontation sh!t story.

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    • whonoze says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

      Surdyka did NOT put the initial argument by the body. She was confused by West’s question (surprise!) at that point. He eventually got clarification that she could not establish any location for the initial argument.

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  713. ay2z says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Now we know why fogen did his voice exemplar the way he did, to show that he was the ‘lighter’ higher pitched of the two…. oh… well, he was the quieter of the two, not the dominant voice.

    Taking Trayvon’s voice. Sybrina was shaking. Thankfully they cut the camera off at that point, but still, give her some breathing room.

    She was almost ‘pacing’ in her seat by the end.

    West trying to discredit this witness for saying ‘I don’t want to be a witness or anything’ then changing her mind. Jane S should never have to decide under that extreme situation, anything. West used the word ‘counsel’ as if she sought some help after, what the heck was that all about, of course she did seek out someone to talk to, she said how much family was around, she had to find someone.

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  714. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Why was Serino blowing everyone off? Was he deliberately trying to let Fogen off for murder? Also, what was up with him changing his report multiple times?

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    • TashaTexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:56 am

      He was following then Chief Lee’s instructions I’m sure. How was he going to continue to be suspicious about and seek to prosecute a guy his boss told him was innocent? This was an attempted cover-up if there ever was one. It really makes you lose faith in the criminal justice system.

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:18 am

        But in the end, they are really going to pay thru the nose. The city got rid of Chief Lee in an attempt to placate the community, but many inflammatory things are being revealed on almost a daily basis. It is really looking like a cover up happened.

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  715. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Funny that West gave up on his line of questioning, though I don’t know what he was trying to make of it. Surdyka DID feel that Serino had blown her off. She sought counsel from an attorney, who hired a private investigator named John Wright to take a detailed written statement from her. It is that statement, taken by Mr. Wright, that is in the discovery documents.

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  716. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:45 am

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  717. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:44 am

    NEWS FLASH: SCOTUS struck down DOMA and Calif. Prop. 8

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  718. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Excellent witness, did not allow the defense to change her story or answer against her testimony to a trick question.

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  719. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I loved this lady

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  720. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I believe it’s likely Trayvon was on top…not because he was attacking GZ, but because GZ pulled him down on on top of him preventing him from breaking free, hence the flailing of hands, both in the standing position w1 first saw, then w18 once on the ground.

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    • TashaTexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:51 am

      It was so dark, the “whose on top” theme is now dying a slow death. I think when they say “on top” they mean someone was kneeeling and someone was semi-standing which would look like an on bottom/on top scenario but I think one thing a few things are quite certain, there was no FIGHT. Again, a witness does not hear fighting but rather wrestling so Martin never beat up Zimmerman if no punches were thrown and secondly Zimmerman was never the one rolling around and flailing in grass. NEVER. However, Trayvon died in grass. How did he get there when the sidewalk was his weapon?

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    • YQ says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:55 am

      Not far off, I feel. He knows what some people witness and he is trying to make his story match what they saw. Fights do dance around and move great distances depending on where they are. If it’s true that they moved from south to north, it would explain how the evidence was scattered. Two people fighting each other doesn’t look good for Fogen, he said that the kid was the aggressor the whole time. Fogen took those injuries standing up. Whatever that happened on the ground, it’s starting to seem like the gun was already out by the time they fell. The struggle on the ground appears to be some jousting of positioning. I’m thinking that Trayvon was pinned down somehow and couldn’t run.

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:06 am

      The blood was not smeared and no particles appear to be on Fogen’s head in the photo. I’d say his head never touched that grass or sidewalk, which means he was not on bottom.

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  721. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:41 am

    She said it was not pouring down rain which means if any blood was shed other than Trayvon’s it would have still been visible to Crime Scene Tech. Diane Smith and the other officers who looked for blood but did not find any.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:49 am

      Yes, and the ex-Marine also testified that the rain had slowed to only a drizzle.

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

      The defense never could explain the non-existent blood evidence on the sidewalk. The police CSI have blacklights and luminol for a reason, but I don’t think the defense wants to talk about that.

      Another thing is that Fogen’s blood streaks on the back of his head would be smeared making constant contact with the sidewalk or damp/wet grass. The blood streaks look fully intact in the photos. If Fogen’s head touched that wet grass, the streaks would have smeared, plain and simple.

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      • PiranhaMom says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:41 am

        @Dennis –

        Re: “Another thing is that Fogenā€™s blood streaks on the back of his head would be smeared making constant contact with the sidewalk or damp/wet grass. The blood streaks look fully intact in the photos. If Fogenā€™s head touched that wet grass, the streaks would have smeared, plain and simple.”

        Yes, Dennis – and if Trayvon had grasped the sides of Zimmerman’s head, like he demonstrated for the cops, those blood trails curling diagonally from the top-back of Zimmerman’s head and across Zimmerman’s cheeks into his Vandyke beard in front – why, golly gee – those blood trails would be all smeared by Trayvon’s hands and obliterated, too, right, if Trayvon was bashing Zimmerman’s head on the concrete sidewalk?

        Zimmerman and his oafish counsels never thought of that, did they????

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      • fauxmccoy says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:33 pm

        dennis — if you see this message, there is someone using your name on the new post, but the avatar is different. i have alerted fred, but you may want to chime in yourself.

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  722. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:40 am

    I think she was great.

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  723. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Is this fool dozing off in court?

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  724. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I think they are done. She believes what she believes, and she was there.

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  725. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I heard what I heard, saw what I saw… you be the Judge! LOVE IT!

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  726. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Xena says:
    June 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    @Woow! Please do not lump me in with people who say they are Christian, but impugn the true nature and ways of Christ.

    Sorry Xena…. my intention was not to lump all Christians together…only true Christians follow Christ and those people are Christians in name only

    I apologize to anyone I may have offended

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  727. heartofhearts says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    There have been some very smart women who have taken the stand and not bow down to this ass (West)!

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  728. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    She went on TV. So what??? FOGEN made MANY media rounds!

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  729. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    This witness is great! Not falling for their bull trying to put words in her mouth!

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  730. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Thy keep attacking these witnesses in the flimsiest way

    oh shit she has caught on and now she is strictly, yes or no
    ha ha ha ha

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  731. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I’ve never been in a fight, but I would like to kick Don “FlusterBluster” West’s ass. He does his best to fluster the witness and bluster with misinformation in an attempt to make the witness agree to something that wasn’t part of their testimony.

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    • Leisa says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

      Judy, I was in 1 fight in my life and it ended up eerily like the positioning in this case. I ended up on the ground on my back and the girl was sitting on top of me with a leg on each side. I got ahold of each of her wrists and it was a stalemate as she could not strike me and I could not get her off. I must have gotten in a shot because she dripped some blood onto my hair. I will never understand why Fogen could not have done the same thing. I for this reason do not accept that shooting Trayvon was the only option.

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  732. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Is there a point in there somewhere?

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  733. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The Fogen Bully Team!

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  734. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

    JN- “Get to the point”

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  735. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:34 am

    What is West doing? i mean hes got his water…what else does he want?

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  736. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:33 am

    The most striking thing to me is the absence of any emotional reaction to the 911 call recording by the defendant.

    If his life had been in any danger, I would have expected him to react to hearing the call.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:40 am

      I agree.

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      • KittySP says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:49 am

        @Prof. And that is exactly what I believe happened during the session when Serino played that call for him. He didn’t display the reaction one would expect. GZ didn’t know screams had been captured on any call…he was banking on them taking his word that he was calling for help. Not out of fear for his life, but to help him restrain Trayvon

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    • YQ says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:45 am

      I agree Prof. He is too nonchalant. Much effort put into trying to avoid guilt. All he wants it seems is to make sure his story is sticking. Right now, there is a lot of doubt about his claims.

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      • disappointed says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:52 am

        Shhh. Tomorow he will be crying like a little girl. You know they read here, after all the crap from treehouse they must come back to reality for intelligence and common sense.

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    • SearchingMind says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:15 am

      Well said, Professor. GZ’s sterile, arrogant body language and demeanor when Trayvon’s body was shown tells me that GZ has other very serious psychiatric issues.

      Reply
    • aussie says:
      June 26, 2013 at 5:58 pm

      It was not him. It was someone else. HE shot a thug suspect in self defence. All this evidence is about someone else and he doesn’t even know who. All the evidence is about something that happened in a parallel universe. It was NOT HIM and the whole thing is UNREAL, that’s what makes it so unfair. But apart from the unfairness he has no reason for any emotional reaction, as it’s all about someone else..

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  737. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:32 am

    She knows who she is, she knows what she saw, and she knows what she heard. You are not going to shake her up, West.

    Reply
    • Girlp says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

      Enough already, she knows what she knows and has testified to it, time for West to sit down. I think his strategy is to bore people till they tell him something he wants to hear.

      Reply
  738. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:31 am

    you can’t change the truth

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  739. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Was it Singleton ?

    Reply
  740. Girlp says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Yes she said she did not want to be a witness then changed her mind…so what?

    Reply
    • Puck says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:51 am

      He wanted her to say she changed her mind after the case exploded in the media. She said no, she changed her mind right away after the murder. He wanted her to say she changed her mind because she thought the SPD wasn’t doing a good job of investigating. She said no, she just wanted to tell what she heard and saw. She was unflappable.

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  741. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:29 am

    OMG! ! I’m watching on HLN and I’m about to loose my mind with all of the interruptions.

    Reply
  742. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:29 am

    West trying to wear her down by exhaustion until she says something he’s satisfied with

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:30 am

      Yep. He’s looking for a way to get a foot in the door, but by the time it takes him to do it, it may not well be worth it. He will have worn out and exhausted the jury too.

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  743. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:29 am

    West has been less Agent Smith-ish the last couple days. I wonder if he’s popped 3 or 4 tabs of GZ’s Adderal.

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  744. Ty Flair says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

    You going need more than water West this witness is great.

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  745. uhoh says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Maybe MOM can kick West in the balls to demonstrate how his voice changes.

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  746. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

    is there such thing called TV by strangulation if you know what I mean

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  747. Girlp says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    She knows a young voice when she hears it…as a mom I know a teens voice when I hear it.

    Reply
    • cielo62 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

      For Pete’s sake she was a TEACHER! From years if experience you learn to distinguish voices!

      FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:14 am

        NOT JUST a teacher, a gym teacher.
        She knows voices even when they are shrieks, and gym teachers DO hear shrieks! PLENTY OF THEM!

        She’s better than an audio expert on THAT ONE.

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  748. Nef05 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Good morning all – I see the teacher is holding her own and not letting West dictate her testimony any more than she let Serino – GOOD FOR HER!

    Geez, he’s asking her AGAIN.

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  749. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Is he going to come back and ask the same questions over again?????

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  750. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Defense is in danger of “overkill” if they fight this long and hard with each eye/ear witness.

    “Did you see a giraffe out there?”
    “You never saw pictures of Mr. Zimmerman tying his shoes? … Never?”

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  751. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    West trying to pin her to assumptions… it’s obvious she assumed but a women’s intuition is golden.

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  752. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:26 am

    OK–JN said we could listen to the answer one more time.

    Yay–Bernie objected. Sustained.

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  753. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:26 am

    IDK, but I seem to recall that this was a problem in her account, because if she insists she saw the whole thing and could not have missed anything or be mistaken, as well as that there was no change of position between the two, then the only way Trayvon could have ended up face down was if he was on top. West will go for that along with the deep strong voice compared with the soft weak voice.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:30 am

      Just because she didn’t witness them change positions doesn’t mean she saw everything that happened… someone turning over would be slight movement, either by GZ flipping him over as he got up or trayvon turning over to fight during his last seconds to crawl away holding his wound… his knees were staggered in the photos yesterday.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:33 am

        Yes I realise that she may not have seen everything but that won’t stop West trying to sow the doubt to the jury that she must got them mixed up!

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    • TashaTexas77048 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:32 am

      No, if there was no change of position and the final position was Zimmerman on top then Trayvon was shot while Zimemrman was on top.

      Reply
      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

        Exactly… that is devastating to his claim.. because it could happen the way she saw it and definitely not the way GZ told it when you consider all the information like where trayvon died in the grass etc.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

        No TT77048, it doesn’t work like that because W18 is insisting Trayvon was lying on his face and stomach as GZ was getting up and that she had seen NO change of position between the two from the struggle to the moment GZ got up. And all I’m saying is West will fix on that again, if he is given the chance, and they will explain it like that in closing statements, i.e. that she made a mistaken id.

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      • TashaTexas77048 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

        Remember it’s Fogens story that Tray got up and backed up and said “you got it” and then Fogen “somehow” got on top but he clearly describes a change of position that would require movement by both of them. No movement means there was no way Tray back away from that sidewalk which is Fogen’s explanation of how the young boy ultimately died in grass, far away from his “concrete weapon.”

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      • TashaTexas77048 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:42 am

        And again, “no change of position” means Trayvon’s final postion was not facing the sidewalk and beating Zimmerman. Indeed, Martin was found away from the sidewalk and in grass. This witness is saying that is where he was when the gun went off. Right?

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      • crazy1946 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:42 am

        Hmmm, remember there was grass on Trayvon’s knees and also grass on the toes of Fogdoits shoes, could it be that they were on their knees facing each other? If that was the position, it would explain why Trayvon’s feet were staggered when he was found by the officers…. Just a thought..

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:43 am

        I forgot… that’s not to say I agree with West nor that it happened the way I am surmising, nor that the defence’s argument is going to work, but IMO it is a slight glitch in her testimony, because from how she described the struggle to GZ getting up, if she is correct and there was no change of position between the wrestlers, and she is correct and she didn’t miss even a moment of it, then as far as I can see, and/or IMO it the action doesn’t work.

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      • disappointed says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:48 am

        Crazy that is what I think happened. Both were on knees. Trayvon being a little taller would hide Fogen.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:55 am

        @TT77048
        You are not understanding my point. IIRC, W18 said she saw no change in the position of which person was on top and which was on the bottom, i.e. the person who was on top was always on top and the person who was on the bottom was always on the bottom. Work it out from there. What she said, in this respect, and what I am relating had nothing to do with Trayvon beating GZ, I NEVER said that so please review my comment again, nor who was facing which way, I NEVER said anything about that either (ditto about reviewing), nor anything about Trayvon being on or off the grass, near or far from the sidewalk, I NEVER said any of that either (ditto about reviewing). I was merely commenting on one thing in her testimony in respect of position, that the defence will IMO, IMHO, try to use as well as the strong and weak voice thing because IMBW but IMO, IMHO, I believe I know where the defence is going on that too. And he who warns is not a traitor but a helper.

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:58 am

        @Crazy
        @ Disappointed

        I also believe that is one of the real possibilities.

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    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:05 am

      gbrbsb…. I understand exactly where you are coming from… it is helpful to know where the enemy will attack…. Excellent observation, the witness did not fall for west’s tactics and a big score for the prosecution…

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      • gbrbsb says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:09 am

        Thnx TIUB, that’s my always position of safety… “forewarned is forearmed” albeit “prevention is better than cure” whenever possible is even better!

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  754. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:26 am

    HAHAHAHA let her tell the jury AGAIN it was Trayvon she heard!!!

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  755. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Obviously he forgets what his own client admits…that he immediately jumped on his back, spread his hand out… So why try to make it seem as though she assumed he was shot in the back.

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  756. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:25 am

    West is doing so bad, that he is downright helping the prosecution! Keep going West. Epic f-ing fail!

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  757. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Like now you’re worried about time. Ha!! Boy, the judge sounds tired.

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  758. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:24 am

    She was talking about a young boy during the 911 call.

    Reply
  759. TashaTexas77048 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Of course she never saw Zimmerman crawl out and get on top because he didn’t need to!

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  760. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    West is trying to establish that her testimony is unreliable, as he got her to say she thought TM was face down on the ground at the time of the gunshot.

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  761. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    GZ could have flipped him over or trayvon could have rolled over after being shot trying to crawl away before he died…. it was dark, she may not have noticed slight movements… score for the prosecution

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

      Not even a woman would believe that a person with fight training could allow somebody half their size and age to pin them on the ground.

      Here is what I think: Fogen intercepts Trayvon. Fogen grabs onto Trayvon because Trayvon would not comply with Fogen’s threatening demeanor. A small wrestling match occurs. Trayvon screams for help. Fogen somewhere along the way realizes that Trayvon is not a criminal. He realizes that he is committing a serious felony of false imprisonment while armed. So before anybody can get to the scene and help Trayvon, Fogen shoots Trayvon as he is trying to break free and get away. I can’t think of any other reason for Fogen shooting Trayvon except for eliminating the only witness to the entire event.

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  762. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Jane Surdyke is very good… She will not allow West to bully her or back her into a corner.

    She is firm in her position.

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  763. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Epic fail West, sit down and accept it.

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  764. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I do not like west changing her mind on what she witnessed.

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  765. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    West keeps trying to put word in her mouth and thoughts in her head. She heard a man and someone younger. He is trying to make her believe that the aggressive voice was that of Trayvon.

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  766. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:22 am

    The crypt keepers and Fogen just need to accept that they can’t FORCE their version on people, they can’t rewrite history, the truth is coming out and Fogen is going down!!!

    Reply
    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:05 am

      Because Fogen forced his version on the SPD (with a little help from daddy and WOlfinger and Lee), they have the idea that they can force their versions on EVERYONE. Fahgeddaboudit.

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  767. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:21 am

    That’s what I saw, and that’s all I can tell you!

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  768. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Good for you! She is telling you what she saw.

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  769. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    She is good. She reports what she saw and refuses to interpret.

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  770. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    WTF is West trying to do??? If he keeps badgering this woman the jury is not going to like it!

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  771. Leisa says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Good morning good people. Professor, donation sent his AM. Thank you sir! You can’t know this but you are a lifesaver. šŸ˜‰

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  772. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I like this lady
    I knew she would be tough
    you don’t run marathons if you are weak

    Reply
    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:37 am

      Yes, she is a very strong and smart lady. He’s trying hard, but he will not be able to break her.

      Reply
      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

        To her, this is just another marathon. She knows where she’s going and she knows how to get there and she can go the distance. This is the way, THIS * IS * THE * WAY.

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  773. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Good girl!

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  774. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:19 am

    object!

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  775. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Of course she wouldn’t see muzzle blast from a contact shot.

    Reply
    • elcymoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:56 am

      But West knows what always happens on movies or TV shows, so how could the witness not see a muzzle flash in real life?

      Reply
  776. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

    How are you going to have a muzzle flash when it was a contact wound?…..STFU west

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  777. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

    What is the purpose of this West? We KNOW he was shot.

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  778. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Let me finish that for you West. ” you never saw George Zimmerman crawl from under Trayvon and climbers on top of him? “

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  779. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Did JN rule on allowing the 911/NEN records? Will Ramona come back to finish testifying?

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  780. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

    He’s trying to set up that other witness who saw GZ get on top and push on Trayvons back.

    Reply
  781. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:17 am

    So what GZ didn’t resist, put his hands up, etc. the police were there. And better still W18 described his reaction, “Oh G*d what have I done!”

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  782. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Boom! He didn’t look like he was hurt!

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  783. FactsFirst says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

    West need to sit his one foot in hell, the other one on a banana peel ass down!

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  784. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

    @Ms.X

    “Shuzaaaaam! She really dropped a bomb!! Omara is livid. Hes going to try to eviserate her”

    I was not watching earlier what did she say?

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  785. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Right now I am so happy there is a an all female jury.

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  786. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:14 am

    ha ha ha
    “they did not look like they were hurt”

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  787. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:14 am

    LOL GZ shot and stood straight up.. no sliding or shimming

    Reply
  788. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Is Jon/John the MMA guy testifying today? I hope he does not lie for Fogen and get himself in trouble.

    Reply
    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:13 am

      If Mr. West doesn’t shut up, we won’t be hearing anyone else today.

      Reply
      • TashaTexas77048 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:17 am

        Well we won’t be hearing anyone else today because his job is to introduce an entire heap of bullshyt and attempt to confuse the jury. I pray that it’s not working.

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:18 am

      I can’t wait for Dear John #6 to tell his story. His testimony is going to be picked to pieces.

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  789. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:11 am

    The Supreme Court knocked down DOMA as unconstitutional!! HURRAY!!

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  790. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:09 am

    He gets me SOOO agitated. I don’t know what kind of people he’s used to dealing with, but ugggghhhh – I can’t even put it into words.

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    • chi1224 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:12 am

      I hear you. He drives me insane too.

      Reply
      • jm says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:16 am

        If you are talking about West being annoying it is hard to decide who is the most annoying, MOM or West, but I am sure the jurors have the same reaction as we do to their style. West would be better suited as a funeral director than a lawyer and MOM a cheesy hustler conman.

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        • chi1224 says:
          June 26, 2013 at 9:17 am

          jm those descriptions made me laugh! Soooo true! Thanks for making me smile during this ridiculous cross by West.

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  791. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:07 am

    West is testifying again

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  792. groans says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Was she the one who had talked about the “broad built man”?

    And, if so, did Bernie bring out that descriptor from her when she testified?

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  793. Woow! says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:06 am

    W is trying to get her to say she heard them by the T….it’s not working.

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  794. Lynn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:05 am

    West used the word “meek” when prodding her to say that Zimmerman was the softer, non- confrontational voice. Trying to use the “meek” description that Wendy used yesterday. Low, West, but we caught that one.

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    • KittySP says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:16 am

      Lynn- I caught that too. But can’t attach meek to someone who moments earlier was using expletives to describe someone he didn’t know.

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    • SearchingMind says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:57 am

      GZ is not “meek” but timid. Timid men appear to be meek in the eyes of women they admire and are attracted to. I submit – and Wendy may or may not have known it – that GZ was attracted to Wendy, admired her and acted in a subordinate manner (like all timid men do) towards her. Wendy misinterpreted that as being “meek”. Oh women, when shall you learn and understand the ways of men?

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  795. trina cosbie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I in no way want the nastiness done to this witness as it was done to Selene yesterday, but it pisses me off none the less because we all know why she is being crossed in the same respectful manner Selene should’ve.

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  796. Unabogie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:05 am

    West is attempting to say that the dominant voice was Trayvon Martin and the meek voice was “meek” Mr. Zimmerman.

    I really hope the jury sees through this.

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    • elcymoo says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

      I’m pretty sure that West used the word ‘meek’ because the woman from the SPD who coordinated the set-up of the NW group said yesterday that GZ seemed ‘meek’ to her.

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  797. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:04 am

    West is really teasing out details very carefully. I don’t know that they are going to be helpful to his side. So far he has pulled out two voices, one confrontational and one meek, and she has identified the location as being between the first and second porches–not at the ‘t’.

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  798. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:03 am

    W8 or Rachel, described GZ’s voice as angry.

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  799. Michael Stewart says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Careful Mr West. If you attempt to stereotype this witness as “emotional”, i.e., a woman, too emotional to have formed a credible opinion based upon her evaluation of the real-time events she witnessed, you could have problem with the jury.

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  800. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

    West is trying to discredit her, but it’s not working AT ALL.

    Reply
  801. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Did I hear JN say something about a juror being excused ? And doesn’t that mean we get the black male ?

    Or am I wishfully thinking again ?

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  802. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Bernie could have done more with her. In her CNN interviews she was emphatic that the struggle was on the grass, NOT on the sidewalk. Bernie didn’t get that.

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  803. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:
    June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am

    LOL GZ was whispering on the NE call remember, “I don’t want this kid to hear me” or something to that effect… love how they try to fit GZ in to all the good positions… not working buddy…

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  804. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Oh for crying out loud, common sense West!! West is beyond bad!! Sit your damn ass down!!

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  805. Unabogie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:59 am

    We hear the NEN call, and he wasn’t speaking “loudly”.

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  806. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:59 am

    West you are making a fool of yourself. STFU.

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  807. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

    This is the first time I’ve ever seen Stutzman the Hack wearing anything other than a button-down Oxford cloth shirt.

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  808. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Scream stealer Don West is coming to steal Trayvon’s screams and claim they belonged to that child killer George Zimmerman.

    Reply
  809. smokeegyrl says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

    I was having a problem with NBC did anybody else?

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  810. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:56 am

    This witness say that she heard 3 pops, I don’t know if this was an echo she heard but she didn’t say this earlier, MOM is going to be hard on her.

    Reply
    • YQ says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am

      Judging on the way the buildings are positioned, she probably heard the echo or reverb of the shot when it bounced off those brick walls.

      Reply
      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:57 am

        I ALWAYS thought I had heard two shots. One of them WELL before the death shriek, and one cutting off the death shriek. Other people have tried to tell me the other shot was “a door banging” when Jeremy went outside or inside. But it sounded much different from a door-bang to ME. To ME it sounded like a shot. And one of the callers said, “There’s…shots” and then the dispatcher asked, “how many shots, one?” and the caller agreed, “yeah, one.” That was after the KILL shot.

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  811. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:55 am

    WEst can’t do shit with this witness, SIT DOWN CRYPT KEEPER!!

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  812. TashaTexas77048 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I have reception now but I can’t listen to the cross examination, it’s gonna make me sick I can tell

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  813. Lynn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Any time the witness says something they don’t like it’s…We’ll get to that later.

    Reply
    • Nef05 says:
      June 26, 2013 at 10:04 am

      They do that to give the impression to the jury that they have “something” that’s going to dispute that testimony.

      Reply
  814. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

    West is not going to roll over her.

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  815. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Oh no, trying to steal Trayvon’s voice again!!!! I feel absolute RAGE when they try to steal Trayvon’s screams!!!!!!!!!

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  816. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

    God I hate Mr. West. Even when he is trying to be personable, he seems so insincere and makes me want to slap him. It has the same effect as GZ’s smirk.

    And you see where he’s going. It ain’t gona work West. She may be emotional but she is not stupid!!!

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    • mountainmanpat says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:57 am

      Mr. West?………I’d enjoy taking the man fishing….

      To be used for bait……..or maybe an anchor…….

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    • abbyj says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:46 am

      Rachel, yes, West has a smarmy arrogance to him, and he got off on terrible footing with the jury (knock knock!). It revealed how bad his judgment and temperament are, his inability to connect personally with the jury, and how much anger is flooding out of him.

      In a snippet of an interview w/O’Mara last night, O’Mara tried to put a good face on it. He said that the “knock-knock” joke was not a strategy they had planned in advance, but that West was so angry, under so much pressure, so overwhelmed by the “attacks and lies” upon their client, that some of that anger poured out. If that was the best that West could do before the jury, then there are more fireworks and missteps to come. A truly skilled attorney would NEVER have allowed himself to reveal his open hostility and poor judgment by making a joke that demeaned a dead kid before his parents, as well as the jurors themselves.

      I can’t wait to see more of West. I hope he falls flat on his face every single day. Yes! Let him bring his open rage and anger to the courtroom for all to see. Let the jury witness him as he really is. I can’t wait for West to reveal more of his frustration to the jury, to let them see him as he really is. Of course, MOM, with his nasal, whining voice is a real treat, too. A pox on them both.

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  817. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:52 am

    A plea for mercy, yet Fogen pulled the trigger.

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  818. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Oh nooooooooooooooo! Not West!!!!!!

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  819. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Nice let the jurors think about her 911 call for a second.

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  820. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

    They better be very careful on cross or they will totally alienate the jury.

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  821. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

    He better be nice. The jury will eat Fogen up.

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  822. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

    I am so very curious about how O’Mara will conduct himself on cross examination.

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  823. gbrbsb says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Her reaction is really moving… someone who doesn’t take a shooting as just one of those things !

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  824. dremn2004 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

    follow

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  825. crazy1946 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

    By the look on the Fogdoits face, I think he has just realized he is toast!

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    • Lynn says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:51 am

      I see no change in his look. He could have the same expression if someone told him there was no toast for breakfast.

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    • Two sides to a story says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:53 am

      He hates himself for his lies. Get up there and confess!

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      • Malisha says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

        I believe he hates the fact that W-18 will be believed and he WON’T. I don’t think he has the humanity left to hate himself for ANYTHING. He has pronounced all his own lies to be the truth. There are people who do that.

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        • jm says:
          June 26, 2013 at 9:56 am

          From the looks of GZ’s bloated dead face, it looks like he is numb and incapable of feeling guilty, sad or any emotion whatsoever.

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:36 am

        @two sides, I don’t know. Hates himself? All someone like him wants to do is to GET OFF. I don’t think he has ever had a moment of remorse for the killing, but he has constant and ongoing pity for himself.

        One thing about psychopaths is that they always justify their acts to themselves, never bear the consequences of their acts. They always BLAME everyone else for what occurred. Fogen probably ruminates day and night that, “If Trayvon would have just OBEYED me, then none of this would have happened to ME.”

        So getting up there an confessing to his really evil intentions and acts is a longshot to the friggen moon. He knows he can play this out to the nth degree, and that MAYBE, somebody on that jury will be just racist enough to believe him. Those are the odds that he’s playing. He will NEVER admit what he did. He’ll always cloak it in excuses that serve him. I cannot even describe how much I loathe him.

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  826. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Sybrina is just shaking. I could not do it. OMG. Can’t that beast see what he’s done?

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  827. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

    GZ ave is so blank no emotion. He is not taking the stand, MOM will or take that chance unless absolute necessary. I wouldn’t put him on the stand either he seem void inside.

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:22 am

      BLDR: So Mr [name has been changed to protect the guilty], Are you aware that humans tend to show emotion after killing someone, even if it was in self-defense.

      Defendant: I am a vigilante. We shoot first and ask questions later. I had dreams of working for the LAPD until I murdered somebody in cold blood. Now everybody knows I am a molester because my cousin is no longer in fear of coming out. This must have all been God’s plan.

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    • abbyj says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:30 am

      He does seem void inside. He does have rage and anger and pity–hence all the anxiety he’s probably been coping with over this last year. It’s all about how Trayvon “got him [Fogen] into so much trouble,” not about the death of a kid.

      The medications Fogen’s on are masking all of his feelings, dumbing them down, flattening them, so that he has no apparent affect or response. If he weren’t on the medications, I’m pretty sure that the rage and contempt and racism would be visible on his fat, ugly face.

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  828. TashaTexas77048 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I’m hearing bits and pieces on my phone now and I’m BAWLING! OMG I’m so happy someone has finally introduced the real emotion of seeing someone dead unlike the murderer and many of the IGNORANT witnesses that came to see his “kill.”

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  829. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:47 am

    The dispatcher was very sweet. This poor woman.

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  830. SouthernGirl2 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Sybrina is crying..

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  831. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:46 am

    It is comforting to know that someone did mourn Trayvon at the time of his death. Poor Sybrina and Tracy did not know until hours later.

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  832. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Her 911 call is pretty damning. You get her immediate reaction to the event and she reports what happened immediately after it takes place.

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  833. Two sides to a story says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I’m crying again.

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  834. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

    If I were George I would be crying, but I am not a murderer.

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    • Sleuth says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:09 am

      Well I am thanking God that you are not that sick %$&!…….

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:24 am

        No, exactly, Sleuth. GZ has never shown remorse, ever. He’s never exhibited a moment’s emotion over the death of this child. It’s because he IS a sick f**k, just as you say. Just as you say. That’s who he is. I’ll bet he cries buckets for himself late at night, though. He feels SO sorry for himself, and that’s the only ones psychopaths can cry for: themselves.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:57 am

        @abbyj

        Judge Lester called it right. That son of a %#$?! sitting there like a freakin’ potted plant as if none of this moves him.

        The whole family, including him, must have been born in some type of demonic universe. I’m still po’d about statement O’Dirty made last year when he first took the case. He said is client was crying himself to sleep while he was locked up. I hope they stuff Skittles down his throat when he gets to prison.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:58 am

        i apologize, and meant no insult to actual potted plants.

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      • abbyj1 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm

        @sleuth, When he’s in public, he sits there passively, like the potted plant that Lester called him. Behind the scenes, from the get-go, GZ’s wheeling and dealing, moving money around, hiding passports, and ramping up donations on with interviews and autographs. The public face is very different, probably because of the intense anxiety and his need for heavy medication.

        Yeah, I loved that tear-jerker by O’Mara about how GZ was crying himself to sleep every night. Throw him a pity party. At least he was alive, unlike Trayvon, moldering in the ground. And don’t forget O’Mara’s off-hand comment in his first appearance before Judge Nelson, that his client shouldn’t be held responsible “for Trayvon getting himself killed.” Ice water in their veins. Man, how do these people sleep at night?

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  835. heartofhearts says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

    I find GZ really interesting. His facial expression never changes through any of this, not even when looking at pictures of Trayvon. Here is this woman’s call and GZ is just as blank looking as always.

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    • EdgySF says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am

      He looks like he’s on drugs or something.

      Seriously. The jurors must think that, too.

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:22 am

        EdgySF, He must be on so many anti anxiety and antidepressant drugs that he can barely sit in the chair. On Monday, he couldn’t even keep his eyes open. He dozed off during opening arguments. SERIOUSLY, the guy is on major drugs just in order to show up. His facial affect is completely flat and frozen. He looks like a friggen zombie. Even if he is that heavily drugged, believe me, I know how much evil lurks in him.

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  836. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “I wish I could have helped him”
    This poor woman was 1000 more traumatized than the killer Fogen

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    • Rachael says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

      I sure hope that gets pointed out. She wanted to help, he just walked away. She’s still traumatized to this day, he had normal vital signs.

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      • chi1224 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

        Exactly. Fogen had normal vital signs. I hope that gets pointed out…. multiple times. He is a cold sociopath!

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

        I hope it gets pointed out too. The real heros, the police seargent and the teacher were truly concerned about Trayvon’s life & tried to save it. Both were sad that they could not save it. And then you have gz….

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:19 am

        Rachel, such a stunning point-counterpoint between the two of them. She is a human being with the full range of feelings of compassion and concern for the life of a child (or anyone being murdered).

        Fogen is down at the other (psychopathic) end of the spectrum. He couldn’t care less. His vitals were normal, he showed no remorse, he had no apparent regrets. And he thinks “God” guided him to murder a kid. The two individuals here–this witness vs. Fogen–could not stand in greater bold relief as they do. We see humanity vs. cold, evil psychopathy side by side.

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  837. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I was news-hopping last night. Several network commentators opined that George’s flat affect during all this are not likely to be helpful to him with the jury.

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  838. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Oh no, she’s getting ready to cry. Not going to sit well with the defense.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

      I want to reach out and smack GZ’s fat bloated face for the pain he has caused so many.

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      • Sleuth says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:07 am

        Yeah, I saw him puffin’ like he can do anything about. I’m glad the jury is getting a chance to see and hear how his grave actions affected not just the Fulton?Martin family, but others as well. Ms. Surdyka is still getting over the trauma.

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:15 am

        X100,000,000
        SMACK!

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  839. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:41 am

    This dispatcher is in such a hurry to hang up! Drives me nuts.

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  840. lurker says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Sybrina is agitated. This tape has always been the most difficult for me to listen to. I could only listen to it once. The dispatcher was very kind to stay on as long as he did to listen to this woman.

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  841. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Professor do you think that the prosecution will play a recording of Trayvon’s voice? I think it will have a great impact on the jury, they then will not have to guess of the pitch of His voice.

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  842. Sleuth says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:41 am

    And listening to the tape, she still seems to be somewhat traumatized. I felt so bad for her when I first heard the 911 call.

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  843. Dennis says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Did anyone notice the “oh shit” expression on West’s face after the witness testifying says that the boy was the one screaming for help?

    p.s. I am not the pro-Fogen troll that is using my name as well.

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  844. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:40 am

    She did say a young boy on the 911 call. She called Trayvon a YOUNG BOY!

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    • Dennis says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

      I think the jury of all women will believe everything she says. The phone call they are playing for the court is very sad.

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  845. TashaTexas77048 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I’m about to have a nervous breakdown for a few reasons 1. I’m OVERJOYED that the NEN tapes were allowed in and 2. I switched to Sprint just to have better streaming coverage at work and now I learn two towers are down in my area FML! So please if you don’t mind I’d enjoy a good play by play. Thanks and HOODIES UP!!!

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  846. Puck says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Sybrina looking very agitated during W18’s 911 call — fidgeting, chewing her gum fast, her eyes darting back and forth.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 9:01 am

      Looked like she was fighting back tears. šŸ˜¦

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:06 am

        groan, I just do not know how she and Tracy have the courage to sit there and be witness to the raft of lies, the smearing, the desecration of their dead son. Worse, to see photos of Trayvon’s dead body, to see the bullet-ridden clothing that child wore the night of his death, and to hear his death screams.

        Most agonizing of all, they have to sit within several feet of the monster who took Trayvon’s life–for what?? For his own pleasure? To convince himself he was “somebody”? To put the crowning touch on his own racist beliefs? I don’t know how Sybrina and Tracy are able to be so brave as to endure having their hearts ripped out in open court. All my thoughts and prayers for their continued strength are with them. I am humbled by them.

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  847. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

    They were wrestling on the ground.

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  848. Judy75201 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I head “help me help me” and this person shot him!!!

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  849. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I think Bernie structured his questions in a way that when witnesses answer them, the answers will directly chip a huge chunk away from GZā€™s narrative. By the time this is over, these Sky-Hawks would have completely chipped away every bit of GZ narrative(s).

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    • lurker says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

      I think that chipping away is a good concept. If O’Mara has to be rude and confrontational with all of the witnesses who oppose the Zim narrative, it is going to make his client look bad. It is the repeated accounts that make a difference, I believe. They cannot ALL be biased against his client. Particularly if they saw parts of what happened.

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  850. Valerie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I doubt this witness will take Omara’s crap.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:40 am

      It would be a very bad move for MOM to try the same bullying schit he did to Witness 1 on this witness. GZ is toast.

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  851. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I think she is about to cry.

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  852. Stormwatch says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Even though she verified it was her FB page, if I’m on the jury, I want to see it. If I’m the judge, I want to see it. I don’t want to just hear about it, I want to see it. Maybe he was afraid the jurors would see that all she did was hit a “like” button as opposed to writing one of those “what’s on your mind” things. In my opinion, he seemed evasive as to the true nature of the FB entry.

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  853. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:36 am

    It is tearing her up the relive this.

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  854. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:33 am

    W#18: GZ did not walk to RVC after NEN-call.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:44 am

      Sad because it leaves the lit torch in the air… or not?

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      • SearchingMind says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

        I think Prosecutors want to show that GZ’s narratives, including what he did after the NEN call, are all lies. The “fight” did not start at the “T” because GZ never went to RVC and could not have been attacked at the “T” on his way back from the RVC. The fight moved towards the “T” meaning GZ was elsewhere where he confronted Trayvon and the “fight” thereafter proceeded towards the “T”.

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        • gbrbsb says:
          June 26, 2013 at 9:09 am

          Yes, it appears that way, but IMO that would still fit with him going up to RVC to see if he could could catch sight of the “kid” running along RVC towards the back gate, and when he didn’t, (“He ran!”), cut through the first or second group of houses to get to the dog walk, the only other route the “kid” could have taken, and from there find Trayvon coming forward talking on the phone to DD. IMHO.

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  855. Boyd says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:31 am

    This witness is killing Fogen. ha ha ha

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  856. Tee says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Just catching up from Monday, took my daughter for her college orientation. I saw frank Taffee on my recording of HLN I nearly lost my breakfast. This man is a racist and he wears it on his sleeve, why they keep inviting him back behooves me. Sheryl Lee Ralf was so upset she call him gross right there on national tv to his face.

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:58 am

      I couldn’t believe that Nancy Grace had him on, he was so arrogant and spoke of so many untrue facts. The big one was that Trayvon stood up after being shot, claims that Z said so.

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  857. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

    God bless W#18. She just attributed the death shriek to Trayvon. Thatā€™s one of the many key pieces of evidence coming in from her. In terms of direction movements between Trayvon and GZ, she also corroborates Ms. Baladour.

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:27 am

      So far the defense is having a very very bad day.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:31 am

      She’s the witness the police tried to block and ignore. She will not be coy about being proactive to get Fogen arrested; she KNOWS that he should not have killed Trayvon Martin and she, as a citizen, knows that she has a right to her opinion in the matter. This woman is no “hysterical teacher” as Jeralyn so enjoyed derisively calling her. This woman is a righteous, and righteously indignant, citizen witness who will not be bullied into silence when she sees (hears) a crime. BRAVO!!

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      • Boyd says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:33 am

        Well I see why, Serino wanted to wrap it up. she is destroying him. I am loving it

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      • Boyd says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:34 am

        Jeralyn sucks!

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      • SearchingMind says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:49 am

        Malisha, you described the reason I lost all forms of respect for Jeralyn. I find Jeralyn really quite ordinary and thuggish and pretentious and presumptuos. Her intellectual dishonesty is such that – if it is not willful, you would have to wonder how she made it through law school.

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:45 am

        In addition to what you said, she shows how gz made the community/neighborhood unsafe for all of them. So many people were traumatized by what he did that the effect rippled out across the whole nation. I really hope we get Trayvon’s Law out of this &/or a repeal of SYG.

        West was no match for her. I guess Omara decided to chill after reading how offensively he came across yesterday. They can both choke.

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      • towerflower says:
        June 26, 2013 at 11:56 am

        Mrs. X, This was never a SYG case…..for Z…..it was for Trayvon. But anyway, it survived the first attempt to do away with it.

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  858. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

    damn I need a better stream, nbc keeps stalling!

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  859. KittySP says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

    I asked this on previous post…does anyone know who the juror is that Local 6 reports was dismissed.

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  860. SoulSistaWoo says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Thank you… Has experience with both adults and youth and thought the yell for help was the younger voice.

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  861. ZCBest says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:23 am

    My soul is rejoicing!

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  862. mountainmanpat says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:23 am

    88th

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  863. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:23 am

    I am very very comfortable with Bernie on the driverā€™s sit.

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  864. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:23 am

    The boy’s voice!!! YES!!!!

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    • jm says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:24 am

      Just wonder if MOM is going to try the same rude bully tactics on this witness. She is going to be hard to discredit.

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      • Girlp says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:42 am

        Of course he will, or West will try to confuse her.

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      • bettykath says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:59 am

        I had a lawyer try to do to me what West tried to do to Jayne, i.e. put words in my mouth. He heard what I said and tried several ways to get me to say something else. Finally, I told him that I had said what I had to say and that’s what I meant, so don’t try to put other words in my mouth. It shut him up

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      • abbyj says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:55 am

        Here it comes, jm.

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  865. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:20 am

    This is Jayne Surdyka. She was a world class marathon runner in her younger days, and continues to be a top-level-age-group competitor in FL road races – running, not NASCAR :-). She used to be a Phy Ed teacher. She was also involved (perhaps as the plaintif?) in the litigation to get the UCF athletic department to comply with Title 9 (equal opportunity for women).

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  866. crazy1946 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:20 am

    I find it amusing that MOM must have been so confident that the tapes would not come in the did not spend the night reviewing them, and is now rushing thru them. Over confidence will hurt you every time…..

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    • YQ says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

      That’s partly what I think. Went home feeling good about yesterday, bus doing interviews with Anderson Cooper, but whoops!! He bullied the wrong star witness, and this time he’s not going to find a facebook page or tweet to discredit her. He’s just going to have to play the “it was too dark to see” card, but a woman’s intuition is golden. She felt she heard the kid screaming, woman jurors are going to trust her, i feel.

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      • kllypyn says:
        June 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm

        She cant say she felt,she has to say “i know i heard a kid screaming.” Saying she felt will leave a door open to the defense to try to discredit her.

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    • groans says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

      The reason for his unpreparedness might also be the fact that he was too busy appearing on CNN last night. SMH.

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  867. SearchingMind says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:19 am

    W18 deard a CONVERSATION going on ā€“ between a dominant, aggressive voice and a softer younger one. This is a significant piece of evidence in.

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  868. Lynn says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Posted on the wrong thread so I reposting. Sorry. About Selene.

    Anyone out there have any recollection or a link to the anonymous tip to crime stoppers? I had things tabbed and computer crashed w/ no recovery. ARGH!

    A little while back I read on another blog about witnesses telling a ā€œgirlā€ to get back inside because someone got shot. That had me opening tabs and I had everything ready to talk about here when my tabs were lost.
    I remembered the crime stopper tip saying there was an 8 yr old who lived in a townhouse within eyesight of the murder and that they had an enclosed porch.
    I looked through statements and saw that one witness had her daughter and a neice at the house. I looked at maps of RATL and didnā€™t see a porch on that side. I was thinking it would be like the end porch with a small overhang.
    WELL, yesterdayā€™s photos show Seleneā€™s apt and it has an enclosed porch!!!! It lays flat with the building. Like a screen covering the opening, not a built on porch extending out. OMG. Selene talked about kids in her house.
    Any one have any ideas??????????????????????????

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    • towerflower says:
      June 26, 2013 at 11:49 am

      There was an anonymous tip that said that a child saw everything. From where the tipster said the child lived, the SPD determined they could have not seen the crime scene. They did a door to door canvas trying to find this child and came up empty. A few hearings ago, MOM wanted to have everything the State had about this child…..guess they wanted to go looking themselves.

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  869. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Fogen is like damn,!

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  870. Stormwatch says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:16 am

    I noticed yesterday that when O’Mara showed the witness her Facebook page on the laptop he was holding, he closed it up rather quickly as she was answering the question and rudely stepped away from her before she completed the answer. I never saw him show the court or the jury what he was showing her.

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  871. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:15 am

    pouring rain?

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  872. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:14 am

    This witness might be the one…. (fingers crossed)

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  873. Patricia says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Good morning!! Oooooooo. First witness gonna hurt fogeN!!

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  874. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:13 am

    So much for “Judge Nelson always favors the defense” negativity. JN is very thorough.

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    • FactsFirst says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:20 am

      yeah… JN is about business.. I take back every negative thought I had about her.. I realize now that she’s just crossing t’s and dotting I’s…

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    • Puck says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:36 am

      Yup. Chicken Little was all “OMG Judge Nelson always rules for the state! she won’t let the calls in – I KNOW IT!!! the trial is over!!! the fix is in!!!” yesterday.

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      • cielo62 says:
        June 26, 2013 at 8:40 am

        Puck- just my point. šŸ™‚

        FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:03 am

        Damn who’s chicken little?? (Please don’t tell me y’all talking about me) If so I realize this is a very emotional case, but we have to understand that we all come from different backgrounds, so we are not going to view things the same way.. I know nothing about the law, thats why I’m here to get a better understanding.. When judge Nelson denied the voice experts testimony, I was pissed until I saw Fred’s thread about changing his mind.. NOW I HAVE a better understanding of WHY JN made her ruling…

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      • FactsFirst says:
        June 26, 2013 at 10:19 am

        exhale… Thanks @puck, I needed that… I don’t know any of you guys but I love it here and I don’t want y’all thinking that way about me…. but sophia was on twenty yesterday.. and yeah, she was looking kinda trollish..

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  875. jm says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Why was Trayvon’s mother crying earlier?

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    • FactsFirst says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:18 am

      I believe those were tears of joy when the judge announced the NEN calls would come in to evidence… I think anyway..

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      • Ms.X says:
        June 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

        I believe she was crying due to the trauma the teacher experienced while witnessing the murder of her baby. The youngest child has a special place in each family. I’ve seen it many, many times.

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  876. amsterdam1234 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:11 am

    W18 the teacher. This should be good.

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  877. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Is this the witness who was terrified? I was expecting someone older than me! I think I am older than her, damn.

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    • gbrbsb says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:14 am

      I was too… frail and white haired granny type!

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    • Tee says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:19 am

      You can tell She’s up there in age but she works hard to maintain her looks. She looks good,

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    • Dave says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:22 am

      50-55

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      • Trained Observer says:
        June 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm

        I thought a tad older, maybe 60-plus?.

        Listening to her come unhinged on the 911 call really drove home to jurors — I think — how blatantly wrong it was to recklessly discharge a firearm out on that residential grassway, much less to kill a kid.

        She knew in a heartbeat from upstairs many feet away that someone young lay dead, whereas Fogen pretended he didn’t even know for sure if he’d hit Trayvon.

        Her despair was because she had the intellect and maturity to immediately understand a life had been lost to dispicable gun violence.

        As for her fear of being alone, I suspect it isn’t that she has no friends or family, but rather because at her age she may recently have lost her own parents, a sibling or a couple of go-to friends. … We all get to feeling a little more alone and isolated as we age, as long-time neighbors move away or die of natural causes.

        By contrast to this woman’s immediate heartbreak, at least one schmuck out there on the killing field was busy chattin’ it up with Fogen on what kind of gun and ammo he’d used. Yeesh!

        Kudos to the witness’s powerful composed testimony today..

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:26 am

      I figured her for the age I estimate.

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    • Tzar says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

      same here
      I like this lady
      she came off really compassionate in her call

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  878. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:10 am

    A shameless appeal to cat-loving jurors!

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  879. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Who is she?

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  880. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Anybody know who this witness is?

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  881. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:08 am

    We are off to a great start!!! I can’t imagine that those calls would not be allowed. The relevance is crystal clear.

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  882. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:08 am

    The teacher, W18

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  883. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Is that Trayvon’s cousin he helped take care of in the back?

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  884. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am

    He has shifty eyes.

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  885. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am

    B72 is out. He was an alternate (arm wrestler)

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  886. vickie s. votaw says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Where are you seeing this?

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  887. YQ says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:05 am

    The tapes are in… GZ should be WIDE AWAKE now. Hey Fogen… this is real!!!

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:25 am

      Sure hope we won’t need voice experts to help us understand them.

      VOICE EXPERT: “He said ‘I don’t know what his thing is,’ but he said it sotto voce.”

      FBI EXPERT: “It was mezza but there was not enough fibrullation in the indenapitude so nobody can draw any kind of reliable conclusion.”

      ENGINEER FROM TANGANYIKA: “If you amplify the versimilitude I can give you an algorithm.”

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  888. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Good morning everyone. I have coffee in every flavor you could imagine. Cream, agave, and almond milk. Help yourselves!

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  889. Malisha says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Amsterdam, do me a favor. Get a greeting card and write the point that you thought of (which I still havenā€™t figured out) (about something in W-1’s testimony that you hope BDLR has not overlooked) and send it by actual physical mail to BDLR or Corey and try to get it there within this week or by Saturday so he will have it by Monday morning next. Or, better yet, if you know someone in the US close to Florida or who could get it to the FDLE offices sooner (written on paper, not electronically), let them know about it so they get it there faster. I am wracking my brain to figure out what you mean but I know there are a few little gems to be uncovered ā€” the problem is that steamrollers donā€™t always find little gems. I DO SO WANT to see “Oā€™Mara and West explode” when Serene is recalled to the stand on rebuttal.

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  890. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Tracy has gone casual. Still looking sharp.

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  891. Frederick Leatherman says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Juror B-72 has been excused today on matters unrelated to the case.

    The defense objection to the admissibility of GZ’s 911 calls is denied.

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    • Malisha says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:05 am

      YAY on the 911 calls ruling: Official YAY!! ā— ā— ā—

      Which one was B-72 again?

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      • lady2soothe says:
        June 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm

        @ Malisha:

        B-72: A young man who does maintenance at a school and competes in arm wrestling tournaments. He said he avoids the news because he does not want to be ā€œbrainwashed.ā€

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  892. hinkster4ever says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:03 am

    good morning an alternate excused for a day….could be something happening.

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  893. diary73 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Denied!!!!!!!

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  894. vickie s. votaw says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:02 am

    The great seal is crooked, someone needs to straighten it!

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  895. Valerie says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:02 am

    The tapes are in !!

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  896. Michael Stewart says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:02 am

    JN: “Tapes will come into evidence.”

    YES!

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  897. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:02 am

    B-72 dismissed. Zimmerman’s older calls to police IN.

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  898. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

    911 yapes admissable!

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  899. PerfectlyImperfect says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Yay denied!

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  900. disappointed says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Sweet! The tapes are in!

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  901. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

    calls are in
    woo hoo

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    • Deborah Moore says:
      June 26, 2013 at 8:04 am

      And, yippee, and another reminder that we don’t count our chicks until they’re hatched.
      (I appreciate your calm presense here.)

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  902. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Juror b72 is out.

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  903. Dave says:
    June 26, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Showtime!

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  904. EdgySF says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Blessings to each of you….may Trayvon Martin feel the love flowing through our hearts to him. May legions of angels flood the court room with love, and dwell within the hearts and minds of the jurors.

    May our bearing witness to the judicial process transform this tragedy into a demonstration of justice and truth.

    We are why this day came. We are very powerful. We pray for justice for Trayvon Martin.

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  905. ZCBest says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Mawnin Family!

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  906. Rachael says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Thanks for a nice clean thread to start the morning!

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  907. Deborah Moore says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Woo Hoo. Good Morning, all.
    Hoodies Up.

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  908. cielo62 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:54 am

    >^..^< Ready to grumble!

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  909. Tzar says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:53 am

    fourth
    yippee

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  910. chi1224 says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Good morning to everyone. Reflecting on the testimony yesterday, when Oā€™Mara was bullying Ms. Baladour I wish she would have said- Yes I signed that petition I think Zimmerman is guilty as hell, would you like me to tell the court why I have that opinion?ā€ Where does Oā€™Mara get off acting like she has a duty to remain impartial? She is not a juror. This murder happened in her back yard. She heard the victim screaming. Of course she has an opinion and she is entitled to it. I was appalled by Oā€™Maraā€™s behavior yesterday and I hope the jury was too.

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  911. PiranhaMom says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Present

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  912. jm says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:49 am

    follow

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  913. whonoze says:
    June 26, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Primo?

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