Welcome to the third day of the Zimmerman trial

Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Good morning:

Welcome to the third day of trial in State v. Zimmerman.

Judge Nelson may issue a ruling regarding the admissibility of GZ’s 911 calls.

Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.


2,433 Responses to Welcome to the third day of the Zimmerman trial

  1. Following….rather far behind…

    Mornin’ folks………



  2. ic2fools says:

    Here is a teacher working in the South Florida School System with Hatian American students!!!! Born in Haiti herself please watch:

    Rachael is doing great! I am quite sure she speaks much like her parents at home she would have too.

    West is lucky he doesn’t get told off in Haitian Creole. Rachael you are smarter than most are giving you credit. Its’ the language she takes her time making sure it is understood.

    Keep up the good work Rachael!!!!

  3. kllypyn says:

    I like her because like me she speaks her mind. And people who speak there minds are generally truthful. i didn’t almost get fired last year for nothing.

  4. Judy75201 says:

    I love how, with or without a mental handicap, Rachel was able to discern that West was being a dick who was trying to trip her up, and she managed to point that out. I loved it!

  5. Ty Flair says:

    It was very upsetting to read some of these comments on this thread saying DD may have a learning problem or she may be slow. I wonder if any of you could walk in her shoes after your friend was murder this kid is scare to death she just want to go home. Just because she don’t answer question the way you want her to answer them does not make her slow or have a learning problem. The way she speak does not make her slow or having a learning problem. I have a problem with writing mis spelling words I see alot of people her that writes perfect does that make me slow or have a learning problem I don’t think so. Just remember DD is on our side,she may be reading this blogg and to see people saying she is slow or have a learning is wrong,remember she is also a victim in this.

    • I agree with everything you say.

    • whonoze says:

      I have a fairly close young relative (about Rachel’s age) with an autism spectrum disorder. As groans said above, it just is what it is. Special needs kids are no worse or better than “normal” folk. There’s nothing “wrong” with them. They warrant neither derision nor pity, just the respect due any human being.

      • KA says:

        Exactly. I am exposed to a lot of at risk youth, many of which have delays due to trauma. I have delays in areas. I have kids with emotional and cognitive issues. It is just how we were made in this life. No disrespect, no “looking down”, we are all with her.

        I think she is child like and youthful. She acts like a high school student through and through. My point is she should not have the expectation laid on her that is above her abilities, whether those are delayed or not. She, as just completing her Jr HS year, is paired with a law school graduate in mid career. She should have someone looking out for her best interest and abilities in court.

      • MichelleO says:

        I don’t see a “special needs” person. I see a 19-year-old inarticulate kid, that is perhaps, scared out of her wits. Imagine being a punching bag to a bunch of racists for over a year, and being forced to do something she really does not want to do: come face to face with her friend’s killer and go live all around the world. She’s nervous and she’s afraid. She’s afraid to talk, which is why she’s slurring her words.

      • Ty Flair says:

        @whonoze have you ever call your fairly close young relative with a autism spectrum disorder A BLACK FEMALE FOREST GUMP. Those was your words you call DD. Don’t play mind games with me Sir.

    • Judy75201 says:

      Saying some one might have a learning problem or be slow is not an insult. It’s an observation. I support Rachel 100 percent.

      • MichelleO says:

        She reminds me of a very scared person. She’s only 19, so she still have the propensity to mumble when she is shy or afraid. I see Rachel as a firecracker: she’ll stand up for herself in a minute. Many people have had to repeat school; with the hellish year she’s had, I doubt very much that she’s been able to concentrate at all—especially with a blog full of racists gunning for her. This is the person who is really afraid in this scenario: Not the fogans’.

      • Judy75201 says:

        @Michelle, she clearly is traumatized by the murder of Trayvon, and wants to be as far away from this as possible. I do not blame her.

      • cielo62 says:

        Same here. It was an observation, nothing more.


      • Malisha says:

        I support Rachel 100 percent.

    • racerrodig says:

      Many adults are scared of lawyers and the court. I’ve seen that many times before. This is a kid for all intents and purposes. I think she did a pretty good job all things considered.

      If we want to see stupid on the stand, wait for Fogen, Taaffe, Osterman, SheLie, Papa Z, Mama Z and Robbie the racist.

      • MichelleO says:


      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        I am so sick of seeing Taafe on HLN advocating for his friend. A couple of things I picked up about him is that he has a temper and he is disrespectful to women.

        I agree with that Psychologist today that was on Nancy Grace show tonight about Zimmerman. I don’t see that meek personality that the defense is trying to tack on to GZ. I see someone who has no remorse and not wrapped too tight with those beady eyes of his and blank stare. You can see the guilt written all over his face when the witnesses are testifying.

    • kllypyn says:

      She’s not slow nor does she have a learning disability she’s just not well spoken. a lot of people don’t speak to well in front of an audiance

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        I agree with you. To me, she seemed more like she’s traumatized to me. It was painful for her having to review her friend’s death, she wants to escape from it all and heal. She’s still grieving. I pray that she does not have a nervous breakdown.

        She’s tongue tied with a creole accent and is soft-spoken so she sounds inarticulate.

      • esentrick says:

        I agree kllypyn. I don’t think people considered her cultural background, so they are placing a stigma on her. I really pray for her well being and safety. I thought her testimony was soo compelling and raw. She was great witness for the prosecution and if IIRC, isnt there a juror who is Dominican? I really believe that Juror may help other Jurors understand the Dominican/Haiti culture which I think is the reason BDLR asked her background for the record.

      • ic2fools says:

        @esentrick and kllypn

        I agree with you both.

        She’s not slow nor does have a learning disability she’s just not well spoken.

        I don’t think people considered her cultural background, so they are placing a stigma on her. I really pray for her well being and safety.

        Rachel is beautiful strong young teenage lady.and did very well.

        Possibly due to her cultural background, could be why it was harder for her in school than other children born of American English speaking parents. Rachael parents would have a strong Hatian Donimcian dialect.

        Rachel mother is Hatian and father Domincian, and even though Rachel is raised in Miami her home culture is Haitian Domincian. Her parents were not raised in the States, their schools taught English as second language.and do not speak English like we do here in the States.

        Those who are interest here is information on Rachael and her parents culture:


        I pray for Rachael to be safe and stay strong. Rachael may have a different religious background. I don’t know which religious background her parents have raised her by and hope our prayers are accepted.

        • cielo62 says:

          Ic2fools- it’s funny how we all “see” the same young lady and yet all “see” different things! I stated my opinion based on my personal experience. She was born in Miami so she has been in this culture since birth. My experience with 1st generation Americans is that they usually adapt culturally and linguistically by 4th grade. Those that don’t have additional issues other than language. But honestly, that is neither here nor there. Dee Dee is doing well. I’m sure the jurors are more concerned about her testimony than her background. Thanks for the link. I’m going to read it later.


      • ic2fools says:


        I believe because of her culture English in school is not as easy for her, we never know what her personal reasons are for being in the 12th grade.

        I was just in the Florida area this May. In a sub division that is majority Hatian residents. They will speak pure creole/haitian and I would hear all english then right back to creole/haitian. Speaking both languages at the same time, yet when you hear english the dialet is mixed.

        cielo62, my 19 year old son just began watching, when he saw her and heard her speak my son immediately asked ‘mom is she haitian?’ and i answered yes and kept looking at the trial.

        all of a sudden my son started clucking and quacking, i turned and looked and asked what the heck? my son said ‘mom don’t nobody mess with haitains, darn ole man gonna start acting like a chicken-duck. he better leave that girl alone. he just don’t know, hahahahahaa!!!

        i’m sorry but i busted out laughling at west.

        • cielo62 says:

          Ic2fools/ LOL! Well THAT attitude is clear, no matter where she’s from!!


          • ic2fools says:

            OMG!!!! West is a shame he put up the MAP, he just messed up, that is harassing Rachael making her look at where her BFF was murdered.

            Seriously, west will have her up on THAT STAND until next week if he could. West refuse to admit he is going nowhere.

            Damn man if he ain’t got his job done after 3hrs it will never get done.

            West repeats her answers is because he has no direction without it.

            JACKASS!!!! WEST IS A JACKASS!!!

          • cielo62 says:

            Ic2fools- YES A MAJOR JACKASS!!

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:

            Alright! Wow, poor child has been on that stand for
            5 HOURS!!!

            I pray her blood pressure don’t make her sick. This is just down right wrong.

            Her testimony is putting Fogen on the Stand, where he needs to be.

          • cielo62 says:

            Ic2fools- yep! Only GZ can introduce self defense. He’s sunk anyway.

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:

            cielo62 I knew West was going to snap!!! I knew he was going start yelling at her!

            Wait for it he will do to her what he did to Owen!

          • cielo62 says:

            Ic2fools- LOL! Damn I’m at tha car shop!! I have GOT to see the video later tonight!!

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:

            Okay, I wonder did Defense make the transcript of the taped to be played that Racheal says is transcribed WRONG!!!

            Rachael says in her depo she said “SHE COULD HEARD’ west is saying ‘she could not hear Trayvon’

            ooo they west is getting mad.

          • ic2fools says:

            at the bench cielo62, bernie just objected from that taped being played again.

            she said i coulda hear Trayvon, means I could hear Trayvon. its her dialet adding the a at the end!!!!

            damn west jackass!!!!

            still at the bench, i think JN will allow it. cherrypick or not the brunt is she did hear she said she heard him.

            fuck west.

          • cielo62 says:

            Ic2fools- yep! And he’s a jackass for deliberately mis stating her words! I understood it!!

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:

            mmmmmhhh! back on playing the tape of her answer.

            bottom line she said she heard Trayvon!!! West is cherry picking now her words talking about what she could hear

            again again again get off get off get off, he has made the States’ case, it is Trayvons’ voice.

          • cielo62 says:

            Ic2fools- thank you for the play by play. It’s poetic that West is only reinforcing who is being attacked.

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

          • ic2fools says:

            west is trying to get he to describe the sound of wet grass!

            i mean he is really picking ever word every movement her and Trayvon made!

          • ic2fools says:

            all he is doing right now is firmly placing fogen in the wrong.

          • ic2fools says:

            looks like she is ready to start crying.

            for LORD SAKES over 5 hours now, i would be crying for him to stop!

          • ic2fools says:

            JN just told west that was the last time to ask that question.

            after asking the same question for over 15mins, JN has stopped him repeatedly from doing the same on each question

          • ic2fools says:

            whoa Bernie objected to West saying her knowing Trayon assulted fogen.

          • ic2fools says:

            objection compounded question, badgering witness, JN let her answer.

            she won’t budge from her same answer.

          • ic2fools says:

            objection argumentavie mistatement of facts JN sustained.

          • ic2fools says:

            objection compund question sustained.

            west asked to approach bench, JN said no, ask your question

          • ic2fools says:

            bernie objected argumentative sustained.

          • ic2fools says:

            west is an asss, he is trying to put words in her mouth and assume what Trayvon may have done,

          • ic2fools says:

            west wow, damn

            even bill shaeffer said west needs to sit down,

            they are at the bench.

          • ic2fools says:


            west threw his pin down!

            let me know when you leave the car shop i;ll try to keep you informed.

      • dianetrotter says:

        That’s what I began to think after she talked for a while. I have many students who talk like her.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      Ty, my son has a learning disability, it has to do with his ability to translate his thoughts into writing, he can articulate an answer verbally but it is very hard for him to translate them to written form. Many people that have strokes have the same problem. My son is very intelligent, he just is not good at writing things out, people need to stop comparing people to each other and learn to accept each person for what they are. Brains are just beginning to be studied seriously, we do not really know much about our species, so how can we judge what or who is intelligent. I totally loved Rachael’s testimony & her. Hey, look at Temple Granden. What a genius! IMHO 🙂

  6. fauxmccoy says:

    oh also — nice try sloppy hacker on my yahoo mail acct. better luck next time, eh?

    • whonoze says:


      Please see my query a few posts upthread. Do you have the answer in your notes?

      • fauxmccoy says:

        will look — i have not been keeping the best notes of testimony. if you notice my comments are scant during trial because i am very focused on it. but will do what i can.

    • Deborah Moore says:

      I also talked to my On The Spectrum son what he thought of Rachel’s testimony. He only saw the prosecutions questions because he had to leave for summer school. I told him my version of the defense’s questioning.
      He said that he would have also been very Uncomfortable to read aloud a document.
      Just adding my 2 cents.

    • cielo62 says:

      faux mccoy~ you, too? Yeah, I changed my password and set up other barriers.


  7. disappointed says:

    I am sick that so many people have little respect for our youth. They degrade Trayvon. In my heart I believe it is because of his skin color. Yet treat Fogen as a stellar member of society. A known aggressive man, animal abuser, possible molester, assaulted an Officer, lied about school, did not pay bills, lied about finances, passport oh I could go on.
    Oh and then to be loving on MOM for doing his job, Jodi Arias’s attorney did his job too, but they hated him. He trashed the victim in that case and they hated him for it. No damn different except the color of Trayvon’s skin.
    I feel better now. Sorry for the rant.

  8. smokeegyrl says:

    I was going to go outside to say a prayer for my cousin, thinking about him and my thoughts shifted to Dee Dee like *POW* hit me upside my head… I said wth was that….. it took me to the recorded videos I did today… so I looked at them… the first part… where BDLR was questioning Dee Dee… how sincere she was… telling her step by step on the phone with Trayvon…she had us all in tears even Judge Nelson… then Recess. When she came back it was Don’s Turn. Her mood changed… She did a 180 degree turn, my question to all of you. I am going to type this in caps not to tell yell but to seriously ask this… COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE FROM THE COURT ROOM SUCH AS TAAFFE, OR SUCH THREATENED, COERCED, INTIMIDATE DEE DEE TO BECOME A HOSTILE WITNESS? Call me Crazy or was this my Creole blood or was this God giving me direction because of my grief for my cousin. I was shaking so bad after this.

    • smokeegyrl says:

      During the 15 minute recess? and it also took her long to come back from the 2nd recess… something is not right here.

    • disappointed says:

      smokeegyrl- I honestly think West and Mom have her scared. They defend the killer of her long time friend. They are associated with a blog that has tried to out her for over a year. Like it or not this girl whether some consider her a woman or not is still in high school. She is not in court every day. She did not want involved with this case. Not because she did not love her friend but imagine the guilt she must feel. I would guess and other smarter people here will correct me but I think it’s like survivor guilt. Last person to talk to an alive Trayvon. She thought his dad would come to his rescue. She did not know his dad was not home. She thought Trayvon would be okay. jmo

    • aussie says:

      NO NO NO


      “Hostile witness” means a witness called by one side (any side) who starts giving evidence that is BAD for that side. Everything Rachel has said is GOOD for the prosecution.

      Taking a hostile/aggressive attitude to the idiot cross-examining her does not make her a hostile witness. In this case, it just means she’s fed up with the BS attempts to trip her up and the constant repetitions of the same questions. “ARE YOU LISTENING????” she keeps saying to West.

      The change in her attitude was just because of the change in how she was being treated. BDLR treated her with respect. West did not.

    • Girlp says:

      Sorry for your loss and I think what it was is that West was badgering her and she wasn’t going to take it…one thing is clear to me is that she was not coached no one is going to tell her what to do what to say and how to say it and she tells it straight. Hope the jury see’s it too. Needs to be or needed to be coached on courtroom behavior. However, she has been through a lot and I think she had enough of West and the entire court system,

    • Judy75201 says:

      That’s absurd. And you are using buzz words like “Creole”, and you are attempting to discredit Rachel. Is your cousin fogen?

      And please don’t do the “I’m so emotional I made a mistake” crap.

  9. Tee says:

    Since when do meek & mild people turn off there mothers electricity, since when do they assault police officers.

  10. Sabrina B. says:

    Remember when Fogen was talking with the female officer, he said something about a command presence. The first witness said it was an authoritative voice. Now the defense is trying to claim meek and mild? We know that this is simply not Fogen’s personality.

    • elcymoo says:

      When GZ was talking to Detective Singleton, he asked her if she’d ever had to shoot someone, and when she said no, he said it was probably because of her stern manner (I’m not sure if he said ‘look’, ‘manner’ or ‘demeanor’), and that probably no one would question her authority.

      I believe that GZ does present a meek attitude when he’s dealing with authority figures, probably a carry-over from learning to cope with one or more abusive parents, but that he tries to assert his own authority over people he deems weaker than himself.

      He has a passive-aggressive problem, but that’s not all that’s skewed about him.

  11. Tee says:

    No, parents where we are from always go back home. We here in Miami live in small communities each community takes care of each other trust that she has family even if their not blood. What the world needs to understand is that living in the inner city differs from living any other area in this country. We are different, we speak differently, we respond differently to situations. When Mr. West turned his back on her while she was giving her answer that was a sign of disrespect where we come from. That’s why she asked him is he listening, that’s why she respond to him like she do he had been disrespectful in he eye probably even before the trial & she don’t like him.

  12. Nef05 says:

    HLN keeps cutting Taaffe off and going to commercial. LMAO.
    He’s not saying anything new, and just like a regular crackhouser, anytime someone states a fact he can’t refute or spin, he falls back on Trayvon should have run home…

    They need to go have a an arena full of seats. I’m about sick of all their tired a$$es.

  13. KA says:

    I have this bad feeling that when Rachel said her mother was out of country, I think Rachel was left her to finish school alone and maybe fend for herself. I think she was embarrassed she lived with no parents and be in school so she lied about her age. I suspect she was in a closet because maybe she lived with several other people and needed privacy.I don’t think she is well supported by adults overall.

    I swear, those CTH nuts better leave her alone. They could make her life hell.

  14. whonoze says:

    I remember one of the PJ’s was involved in Autism Speaks. I forget which though, and don’t know whether she made the jury. Anyone (faux?) know?

    • fauxmccoy says:

      will check and get back to you. that particular one said she did a lot of volunteer work, but i don’t think she’s on the jury – will confirm as i’m able to go through notes. will say on a personal level that any mother with any experience with a learning disability, developmental disability etc. would likely not have an issue with ms. jeantel’s presentation.

    • Malisha says:

      I could detect a faint aura of asperger’s in Rachel. Perhaps.

  15. Tee says:

    I watch and listen while lawyers say Dee Dee was awful. What most don’t understand is that the jury is not made up of lawyers. They are regular people. The things that lawyers pick apart jurors do not spend that much time on. ” she lied about her age, she lied about why she didn’t go to the wake. Smdh! Get real point out that she lied in her statement of what she heard that night.

  16. Dennis says:

    Frank Taaffe is being roasted by Nancy Grace right now. He repeated the bullshit regarding Fogen leaving the vehicle to get an address. We all know he could have seen the addresses from inside the car. No reason to leave the car and jeopardize your safety, UNLESS you are going to hunt the person down. I’m surprised this loser didn’t kill himself after his son tragically died. They should probably give him a breathalyser before the interview to make sure he isn’t hopped up on booze. This guy is a lying racist scumbag and it makes me sick to be white when I see pieces of crap like this.

    • Dennis says:

      OMG, he just brought up a marijuana baggy and burglary tools. This guy is pure scum.

    • Dennis says:

      Taaffe has no idea what he is talking about! He says, why Trayvon go inside his house. The answer is simple, his brother was playing video games with headphones on. Did Trayvon have an apartment key on him? No.

      • KA says:

        Also, there was no requirement for him to go inside. He had every right to walk and talk to a girl.

        GZ surely did not stay “inside” his car. Why didn’t GZ stay in his car? Why didn’t he immediately go back to the car? Why did he feel the need to chase and stalk a kid?

        Taaffe is a fool.

    • groans says:

      I’ll have to catch it later tonight. But I hate to get sick to my stomach right before bed….

      • Dennis says:

        Nancy Grace has heard enough evidence to know that Fogen is guilty. She was almost crying yesterday or the day before in sympathy for Trayvon’s parents. Nancy might be off her rocker sometimes and jumps to conclusions, but she is definitely a caring person.

    • Nef05 says:

      Oops, posted without refreshing first – my bad.

    • Malisha says:

      He wouldn’t commit suicide after his son died because that was the son who publicly repudiated his father and called him an abuser and a liar. The remaining child is a daughter who has a restraining order out against Taaffe. He’s an old lonely drunk whose only solace is in hating people he convinces himself are naturally INFERIOR to him; the only way he can grant himself any self-respect at all. No rational person would share it.

      • Dennis says:

        Well I guess we can all hope for alcohol poisoning. Alcoholics usually have problems with mental illness and depression so maybe he will off himself soon.

    • Soulcatcher says:

      Why would someone walk all that way to get an address they thought they could use (when NEN never asked for one) so he could tell an officer to meet him where he was not going to be. Or was he headed back to his shruck so he could then drive to meet the officer at the address he was going to provide them with. Or never mind about the address, just tell them to go straight thru the gate turn left and you’ll see my honda ridgeline. Or can you have them call me and i’ll let them know where I’m at. (Cause Nen asked me if I still wanted to meet with an officer, and I said yes).

      Taaffe still hitten the bottle I see, sway your drunk ass on home, cause if you believe that address bullshit, sumptins wrong with you. Did you appologize to your good friend yet for throwing him under to bus yet?

  17. HereslookingatYou says:

    If credibility is the issue..
    Zimmerman is FUBAR

  18. HereslookingatYou says:

    simply play zimmerman’s exemplar sounds nothing like the screams

  19. Tee says:

    professor do you think that the prosecutor will play Trayvon voice. I truly believe that the jury needs to hear the pitch of his voice

  20. Nef05 says:

    What’s up with the HLN Jeanne Casaris person covering the trial from Florida. She is constantly disregarding everyhting the witnesses say that contradicts fogen’s story and solely focuses on spinning whatever can be said to “help” the prosecution.

    I’m so glad the jury is sequestered.

  21. Booker T says:

    Longtime lurker, first time poster: I’m disappointed that a trial designed to bring attention to the evils of racial profiling has had the unintended effect of highlighting some of the most unflattering aspects of our culture – passive indifference (Rachel doesn’t call anyone after the phone disconnects, “just a fight, nothing serious”, Chad never alerts anyone to TM not coming home, like he’s accustomed to him staying out all night doing God knows what, and Bahoodor doesn’t call the police after she witnesses a fight in her backyard), intentional ignorance and lack of social decorum (Rachel’s entire testimony/demeanor – she doesn’t have a disability of any kind. If anything, she’s been handicapped by a culture that does not value education or anything that could be remotely construed as “acting white”), and the revelations that TM called GZ “a creepy ass cracker” and a “nigga”. The State’s trying to convince 6 jurors that GZ is a racial profiler that killed TM with ill, but the evidence, thus far, shows a culture where racial slurs are common and encouraged, indifference to violence is accepted, family members stay out all night without anyone noticing, and a teenager’s willful decision not to educate herself results in no less than 10 incidents of the court reporter having to stop the proceedings to interpret her “dialect”. This is a culture in absolute decay.

    • cielo62 says:

      Booker T~ The last time I checked, this is a MURDER trial, and NOT a sociological study on subcultures in Florida. Dee Dee’s attitude is very prevalent in many big cities. I can assure you here in Houston people DO NOT get involved, do NOT call the cops (unless you want someone killed for you), do NOT have Oxford English (or even any English at all), there are many slang terms used in the dozens of subcultures HERE and NONE OF IT MATTERS! Dee Dee did what she needed to do; she spoke her truth in HER words and that truth will send a murderer to prison!


    • Malisha says:

      “a teenager’s willful decision not to educate herself…”

      Hmm. You got a lot of evidence out of something. Where was that evidence dump you’re referring to? Do you have Rachel’s school records? Some forensic educational consultant’s report after a detailed psychosocial? Do tell?

      Oh nevermind. Just critique everyone. We will naturally assume that you are the proper authority to pass judgment on everybody in the case because you obviously must be better than them if you can point out all their faults … oh …

      Hey wait a minute. Isn’t that how Fogen got to be better than everyone else? By pointing out THEIR faults?

      Oh I seeeeeeee…

      Quite a little system, huh?

  22. HereslookingatYou says:

    question to anyone..
    if omara calls back the records keeper of calls and he goes on to say his client is just a good citizen caring and concerned,
    does that open the door for bad behavior?

  23. George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 4

  24. George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel)

    • MichelleO says:

      This is the first time I’ve ever seen fogen pleased: during the Asian ladies testimony where she mixes Trayvon’s age at death with the younger photos of him in the media.

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  26. groans says:

    Y’all GOTTA stop and enjoy this Daily Show clip! We deserve it after this afternoon.

    Trust me – you’ll LOVE it!!


  27. George Zimmerman Trial – Day 3 – Part 1

  28. YQ says:

    DeeDee has my support. Spread the word and pray for her to have strength tomorrow.

  29. YQ says:

    Went to work, came back home. What did I miss? Only the most riveting testimony yet… SMH.

    When I relate to how intense things are going on, I 100% understand DeeDee. Truth is.. all we have is the here and now and that’s all what matters. Not yesterday’s depos, not what FB page you “liked”, not Twitter. The truth and nothing but the whole truth was on the stand. That’s what matters.

    • ladystclaire says:

      Your comment is very well stated and straight to the point. no matter how this defense tries to use their slight of hand, those witnesses told the only thing that they knew to tell and, that was the truth about what happened on 02/26/12 and, nothing the defense can do or say, can change that.

  30. Woow! says:

    If the defense want to impeach someone they better hope the prosecution do not call Taaffe to the stand. That bigot can’t stay off HLN and each chance he get he tell that head bashing on the concrete story.

    I hope the prosecution call him and nail his tail to the wall.

    • IMBack says:

      Should he even be talking about the case if he is a witness?

      • Woow! says:

        If he is called as a witness to the stand he probably can be impeached b/c he has been talking so much (all lies) and will not remember everything he has said.

        If he is on a witness list he should not be giving interviews on behalf of Fogen.

      • Malisha says:

        Well how can HE be a witness if HE is biased? I think he probably sways too much!

    • racerrodig says:

      And Taaffe has gone from “..my window was open and Fogen called me” to “My house was in the process of being broken into”

      He’s also stated it’s a fact Fogen’s nose was broken.

      Note to Frank “The Racist Tank” Taaffe : You’re a lying piece of shit.

      • Malisha says:

        He said Fogen stopped the burglary of his house. What burglary? Oh, an intended burglary? By whom? By a suspicious guy who got away. Hmmmmm….

        He already had to deny saying that the cut-through was used by kids all the time, “including Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down low.” He’s sure to deny saying things that are already on record. But so what? If you plant corn, you GET corn.

      • cielo62 says:

        racer~ just a NOTE to Taafe? Why not an entire fukin’ book?


  31. IMBack says:

    I hope Rachal doesnt talk about her testimony because I know he judge will ask.

  32. Danita says:

    I agree with many for different reasons, how ever she needs coaching.She needs to remain calm sit up and not be so defensive, because she needs to be able to answer the questions after their stated not before the questions finished. I no the parents of Trayvon are sick right now because she is a big part of the case. She should only answer whats asked. The main problem with her is that she obviously lacks proper articulation. She speaks from a place of neighborhood communication and hasn’t been trained in the proper places. Its a problem many children have when parents are not completely responsible for their children’s education. She did not just get this way. I mean no disrespect at all, she’s just not educated.But I believe she is raw in her statements because she doesnt no any better. Her story was compelling because i believe she was speaking the truth from the only place of the story from the place she comes from. But coaching should have been in place for the girl from,they knew she needed to testify.

    • boyd says:

      everyone is tired of west , it took a learning disability child to finally say what we’ve all seen for months.

      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

        I doubt Rachel has a learning disability… grant it, she is not the most articulate person but she was definitely smart enough to understand what the defense was trying to do to her. I think she shut West down in a good way.

    • Girlp says:

      I agree she needs to be coached because she has not learned how to temper herself yet. I had to learn to sparse my words when I was young too (lucky I even kept my job for 10 years before I decided to go back to college)…she is upset, doesn’t want to be there hurt, grieving and feeling guilty over her friends death but to help Trayvon she has to learn that she cannot fight the lawyers just do what she has been doing which is telling the truth…I think her age has a lot to do with it also, I betting she is teased often for being 19 in the 11th grade so she is naturally defensive wants people to understand her. With her mother coming from Haiti English may not be her first language it’s possible she never heard English spoken until she started school and still would speak Creole at home that may have a lot to do with the way she speaks. They should have been working with her the last few weeks .

      • KittySP says:

        Something I found interesting and connected with watching Dr. Drew earlier. He was asking his Behavior Bureau their thoughts on this young woman’s appearance in court. And everyone of the woman on that panel empathized with Rachel, saying none of have no clue what it must be like to be in the position she finds herself. It was mentioned that you have all these professional attorneys all wanting something from her for their own reasons, with no real concern of what she must be experiencing, yet wonders why she shows such contempt and disrespect for the lawyers, court, etc.

    • groans says:

      Just curious: Are any/all of you female?
      (If you care to share.)

    • Malisha says:

      It is not this young woman’s destiny to be a witness in a murder trial. Fogen caused this anomaly in her life. She doesn’t have to be “fit” for the job of “witness”; she has a life interest in living HER OWN LIFE and should not be criticized for not living up to the standard some strangers might set for the parts they want HER to play in THEIRS! Makes me MAD!! Somebody needs to coach her? No they don’t. Somebody needs to coach Fogen not to kill and West not to lie and torment and betray his bar license as an officer of the court. FEH! Veshtunkene!

      • KittySP says:

        Malisha – due to his actions, he’s impacted so many lives, I don’t think he’s even grasped the reality of it! I noticed each of the three witness that lived in RATL at time of the shooting have moved. The very neighborhood, and neighbors he claimed to be concerned with protecting, he’s managed to scare at least three of the residents away.

  33. groans says:

    Interestingly, courtroom tweets from Rene Stutzman during West’s cross-exam:

    3 hours ago:
    “Jurors are rapt, taking notes, eyes from West to the witness to West etc.”

    2 hours ago:
    “Juror B51, Oviedo retiree, has been on edge of seat for a long time, shoulders hunched as she listens to the gal on the phone w/ #Trayvon.”

  34. boyd says:

    how does the court handle learning disabilities. or if your witness has a learning disability he gets away with it.

    somebody knows this girl has some things going on.

  35. Tee says:

    Watching HLN, Frank Taffee is on, all I can say is you can tell a lot about a person from the company they keep.

    • towerflower says:

      Calling himself a cracker and saying we know who the real aggressor is. Why do they put him on? What a loser, then says he knows what it is like to lose 2 sons….none of which were killed by a guy following them.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        One a suicide and the other losing control of his car.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @TF, I’ve been asking myself that very same question. Why do these people continue to have Frank Taaffe on their shows, just like why did Piers Morgan continue to give Robbie the Racist a continuous plat form to spew his lies as well as his racial hatred.

        I believe these people have a real fascination for this kind of IGNORANCE. if not that, what the hell else can it be?

      • KittySP says:

        I don’t think they need the 911 calls to show GZs frustration was building…just run on a continuos loop… FT saying, ” George was fed up, with all the recent burglaries, and vandalism”…”He had a call of duty”

    • Deborah says:

      who else wants to be associated with Fogen besides those two?

  36. Woow! says:

    Someone should report the Treehouse folks. I hope MOM did not give them depo copies.

    Is law enforcement monitoring those loonies?

    • ladystclaire says:

      @Woow, this is exactly what I’ve been screaming all day. there is definitely something going on in that courtroom between Fogen his defense and, who ever is communicating with Fogen on his computer.

      • ladystclaire says:

        BTW, how would those slum house folks know what to look for as far as differences in their depositions and, what they have testified to in court, unless they have seen the depositions?

        Something really stinks with this defense!

  37. IMBack says:

    Jean Cazares is reporting BDLR was suprised by some of the anwsers she gave. Do you think she testified in her depo about Trayvon saying Creepy Cracker and say he said “This Nigga” . Seems the State is not doing good research. They should have noticed some of her behavior during her deposition, she apparently knows West to be nerve wrecking. But even he seems surprised by some of her comments.

    • Woow! says:

      Can Jean Cazares read minds?

    • KA says:

      She compared the criminal investigation to a TV show. If that does not show “child like” youth I do not know what does.

      If the jury or courtroom visitors think she should give “grown up” answers and act like she is a college graduate (when she is just going into 12th grade) in their mid life career, then they are not watching the same trial they should be. She is a witness. Whether she was 55 with masters or a 15 yr old with learning disabilities, she is the unknowing/unwilling witness of Trayvon’s last words. She should be taken as such. She had no qualms admitting her “fibs” (I can’t even call them lies) and saying what is truth and what is not.

      • Woow! says:

        Not necessarily child like… she and a lot of other people actually think the legal system works just as it does on TV.

        It is more of not knowing than being child like.

      • BillT says:

        i for sure would be expecting to hear from police if i was the last person to speak on the cell phone right before the shooting……and i would not call the miami police because they have nothing to do with the case…..to expect the police to contact you is not childlike in any way.

      • kllypyn says:

        I watch that show. It’s a documentary about police investigating murders. They talk about two cases in each episode. In a few episodes they called the last number the victim talked to in an effort to find the next of kin or the murderer.

    • Rachael says:

      Bill, She had no idea she was the last one to speak with him (other than GZ I guess) and she was totally shattered to find out.

  38. IMBack says:

    I know the Professor suggested DeeDee may have lied about her age because she may not have wanted anyone to know since she was still in HS but maybe she lied because Trayvon was a minor and unwittingly thought she was legally too old to be with a 16-17yr old? IJT.

    • boyd says:

      she was embarrassed about her age,

      • Woow! says:

        Yep. My sister graduated high school when she was 22. She was in special education w/ a learning disability. She was determined to finish. She was not required to take algebra but she wanted to and repeated it 4 times until she got it.

        She went on to community college and received an associates in nursing LVN (so proud of her) and has been gainfully employed as a nurse for 20 years. That was her calling. The school provided tutoring for students with disabilities.

      • Tee says:

        Who cares women lie about their age all the time. She didn’t want any anyone to know who she was. Please I hope that they have something better than this to impeach her.

      • KA says:

        Actually, I will have to find it (I thought it was a supreme court case), but lying about age is not impeachable unless it was material to the motion. Examples are like retirement, trusts, and other things where correct age is a material element, etc….not embarrassment!

    • towerflower says:

      Ms. Jackson on JVM said it was to hide her identity. (have everyone looking for a 16 yr old and not an 18.)

    • elcymoo says:

      There’s no law that I’m aware of that Trayvon couldn’t legally associate with or ‘be’ with an older teen, unless it was a sexual relationship. She testified that it was nothing like that, and added that Trayvon already had another girfriend.

    • Malisha says:

      Only one year difference in age with Trayvon.

  39. in my Apollo 13 voice florida we have a problem!!

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Yes, gz certainly does have a problem.

      • ay2z says:

        The squinty eyed anger after the second to last break was announced, he was seething beneath the surface, wonder if being called a ‘cauker’ and the slang use of the ‘n’ word. Imagine, if he has anger towards his own racial background issues , how he might feel if someone called him the n word. Ok for himself to do it, but a stranger.

  40. groans says:

    From Tony Pipitone’s courthouse tweets:

    “Jurors 1 and 5 perked up, heads swivel, when Jeantel admitted lying under oath to prosecutor about why she did not go to funeral.”

    • Beverly says:

      “Perk Up”….do you know what the implication is there? Sympathy, lack of credibility….Im sure we cannot imagine what it is to be in her world.

      • whonoze says:

        I would guess one implication is that the jurors were still awake while BDLR was up. I wonder what Tony P. saw on the jury while West was running Rachel around in circles.

  41. fauxmccoy says:

    conversation w/ my 12 year old w/ learning disabilities

    me: trayvon’s girlfriend was just in court. it seems obvious she has a learning disability of some sort and does not want to be there. the defense was pretty mean to her

    sadie-lou-who: if it were me, i’d be a total bitch to them

    me: she pretty much was, as much as you can in a courtroom

    sadie-lou-who: GO HER!!!

    we got yer back rachel, keep your head up, tell the truth and don’t let the bastards get you down.

    • groans says:

      @ fauxmccoy – Touching and enlightening. Thank you for sharing!

      I saw a raw honesty in Rachel – which had its advantages today, for sure. But ignorant people will fail to recognize that her “outbursts” (for lack of a better word) at the end reflected the very same raw honesty that she exhibited earlier in the day.

      Raw is raw. It’s not strategically turned on and off, like most people’s “honesty.”

    • cielo62 says:

      faux mccoy~ “GO HER!” Yeah, couldn’t have said it better myself!


  42. boyd says:

    she did better than my youngest would have. He has some problems and I know he would have gotten frustrated like 3 hours earlier then Rachel. He would say to West “you’re a dick, man” with a smile on his face because he never gets violent just speaks his mind , but he’s not discreet about it.

  43. towerflower says:

    She is a brave, young woman. It takes a special kind of person to face what she is facing. She will be facing more pressure, even after the trial, than any other witness. They are attacking her twitter account as we speak. Shameless. I pray that she has more good friends like Trayvon and family that supports her. I hope that she knows that for all the haters out there, there are many more who admire her for courage and support her.

  44. Tee says:

    They tried to take advantage of her but they didn’t. I am a mom & all I felt was sorry for this girl she really didn’t want to be involved, not for all the tea in china. She still don’t want to be involved, all she want to do is go home and try to forget that she was the last person that talked to Trayvon that she did nothing afterwards. This is girl is living with this day in & day out and I know how she feels it’s an awful burden to carry.

    • cielo62 says:

      Tee~ Which I why I hope that someone has proactively got her a grief counselor. She’s still feeling guilty and she shouldn’t. She EXPECTED the cops to call her, just like they do on The First 48, but they never did.


      • Malisha says:

        Also, the cops would call if something HAPPENED to Trayvon (she expected that because the cops on TV are decent cops) but if nothing bad happened to Trayvon and SHE tried to call the cops, first of all which cops would SHE call and then, if it turned out being the WRONG thing to do, everyone would be down on her for calling the cops on Trayvon!

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        What would she call the cops for? Remember at first, the cops did nothing but give Zimmerman a slap on the wrist and sent him home. They even gave him a bonus and let him go to the restroom to wash his hands and pretty much let him roam around the police station like he worked there (Remember that video?). If she had called they probably would have dismissed her called or ignored it.

        • cielo62 says:

          Granny~ Hey I’m agreeing with you! She did not call the cops because that’s not her job to do! She expected to GET a call from the cops, but she never did, so she assumed she was not needed. She did teh smart thing and waited.


  45. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    I also think that West and MOM are on a revenge kick and are looking for something to get Crump barred or smear his name and reputation. The hate Crump and it shows. West and MOM are childish. liars, and vindictive.

    • Beverly says:

      Do you know what they are so mad about? I saw the part where they tried to keep him out of the Court room, but do now know what is behind it all. Thanks.

    • Judy75201 says:

      I don’t think they are. I think they are instead playing to the racist “christian” element that believes all that “BGI” conspiracy nonsense.

    • Woow! says:

      Get Crump barred.. with at the shenanigans they have been doing please…. smear him yes… they know a civil suit is coming

      W and MOM hate the fact that a black attorney has outsmarted them.

    • Shari says:

      They are so transparent. Yes they have been after Crump for a long time. SMH. I knew this would happen to her because they thought she was the whole prosecution case. She isn’t, she is just part of the foundation. Other evidence will tie in with hers and she will corroborate.

  46. vickie s. votaw says:

    I’m praying for sweet Rachael, I sure fell in love with her today! Hoodies Up, hang in there ,young lady, you have many people praying for you.

  47. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    Sorta reminds me of that man that rescued those three women that had been held hostage for years by that man a couple of months ago. The public loved him regardless of him being inarticulate. Even the racist were praising him for helping to free those women and calling him a hero.

    However, in this case, they want to trash a child. And she is still a child, until she becomes 21 years old. It’s a strange world we live in when adults badmouth, trash, and belittle children. No wonder we have so many children with low self-esteems. I’m sure all of her friends will be watching the news and hear how they are trashing her, which could lead to some of them teasing her themselves and children can be brutal with teasing.

    It is obvious that she is self-conscience about how she sounds, which might mean that she has been teased about it in the past. Smh! When will people learn to accept people for who they are and where they are because everyone can’t be a Rhodes Scholar. Dee cannot help it that she is poor, or that she tongue-tied. Another thing, she had respect enough for Trayvon’s mother that she left out some of the words he said. She told the truth and to me that is what counts.

    In my honest opinion, I believe that West knows she is tired and is trying to wear her down. Bernie should have stopped the questioning a long time ago. I’m sure he can see that she is tired and what West is trying to do.

    My mother always told me that if people knew better they’d do better.

    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

      I forgot to add here we have a child that came to testify in behalf of a dead child that was murdered by a lying child murderer who has no remorse whatsoever and feels that Trayvon deserved to die.

      In the case of the three women that were kidnapped, held hostage, raped, and tortured for years starting when they were teenagers by a sick man. An inarticulate black man helps save those three women and even racist were praising him, taking up for him being inarticulate, until you would have thought that they had changed their racist views overnight . They made excuses for the man’s speech and said that he was down-to-earth, comical, nothing was wrong with the way he talked. He was the kind of fellow they’d love to play checkers with and have a beer with. Yep, it’s a strange sick world we live in. Smh!

      I’m a person that loves children. In fact, I like them better than I do some adults. Because kids are honest and unpretentious. That’s what attracted me to this case. I have a hard time understanding why a grown man would kill an unarmed child, the need to have to protest in order to get an arrest and trial, and when I saw Trayvon’s picture in that hoodie I saw my own grandson who is the spitting image of Trayvon. When I saw his picture, I broke down and cried, and asked the question, “What is wrong with people?”

      • cielo62 says:

        Granny~ I hear you! I prefer animals and children to adults for the SAME reasons you listed; they are authentic and real. Today Dee Dee was authentic and real and HONEST. I truly believe the jury will have sensed that as well. She loved Trayvon and misses her friend. I didn’t have a dry eye for most of the afternoon.


      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        Cielo, I think a lot of us were boohooing even some of the males. 🙂 I could feel her pain.

  48. boyd says:

    am I suppose to believe she read those documents that fast or at all?

    There was something really wrong about that. if she has any documentation from her school she has some kind of disability then
    there better be some corrective action by the court or Federal law.

  49. tharealkeisha says:

    West is playing on Rachel’s comprehension skills, thus trying to put words in her mouth.

  50. ladystclaire says:

    After hearing and seeing Ms. Rachael today, GOD love her. I could really see the kind of kid Trayvon was and, the operative word here is KIND. this kid was kind enough and loving enough to befriend her, when a lot of other kids probably give her the time of day.

    I LOVE Trayvon for everything he was and, that was a KIND hearted human being who gave of his time and attention to his BFF Rachael. this defense should hang their collective heads in shame, for what they did to that kid today. they took complete advantage of her state of mind and, I feel that Judge Nelson as well as the state, should have put a stop to what Pest was doing.

    One thing for sure though, at the end of the day, Fogen is still a MURDERER and, one way or another he will pay for what he did to Rachael’s BFF Trayvon.

    • Trained Observer says:

      I feel their friendship was a two-way street. Rachel (Dee-Dee) was savvy enough to tell Trayvon to run … I wish he had run like hell rather than to try to look nonchalant about being stalked.

      • Nef05 says:

        I’m not sure that would have done any good, TO. How was he going to get into the house? He had no keys and Chad already said he was playing his video game with the headphones on.

    • Malisha says:

      I don’t think Trayvon was just Rachel’s friend from kindness; they had a real bond. Rachel is a very interesting and attractive young woman, with a depth that isn’t immediately apparent but that is — for lack of a better word — “real cool.” If I knew her better I am sure I would find her fascinating and LOTS OF FUN TO SPEND TIME WITH. I love that comment: “Nobody wants to stay in a closet for a long time.”

  51. Woow! says:

    MOM better work out a new defense strategy b/c continuing to push that TM sucker punched Fogen and beat the crap out of him is not working.

    3 witness in and no luck with that.
    311 records…. paints an ugly picture of a serial profiler

  52. HereslookingatYou says:

    As far as DD saying she heard the creepy man say what you doing around here..
    there is a witness that says she heard something to the effect what you doing..
    I do not remember which witness

  53. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    I wish I could put my observations and feelings into words.

  54. towerflower says:

    The outhouse is having it’s readers do the work for MOM and co.
    They are asking people to review Rachel’s statements to Crump/ABC, her written statements, FDLE statements and today’s testimony. Then word out the questions for West to ask.

    What a piece of work they are, and MOM wants to deny being in contact with them, …….right.

    • Rachael says:

      I know. That was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen. It makes me want to send it to someone and have them charged with tampering or something. Do they REALLY think they are being listened to and/or they are in charge of this? They are such assholes. I was going to print it over here because at first I thought it was hilarious, but then I got to thinking, they are some dangerous MFers.

    • ladystclaire says:

      @TF, The Judge as well as the state needs to know about this. I don’t read at that sight and, I am not that computer savvy to copy and paste these things for sending to the state.

      • towerflower says:

        If the State is smart and looking at the site they’ll have no problem finding it, it’s on a main topic thread. SD also begged readers to get MOM to petition the court to remove TM’s parents again, using the basis that she said she was influenced once by their presence. He is still on his fishing expedition in Miami, trying to get his hands on TM’s school records.

      • Woow! says:

        Somebody need to expose SD. Who the hell do he think he is?

      • Rachael says:

        That’s the part I was talking about:

        I am in Miami Gardens – My blood is boiling. Please Don West and Mark O’Mara ask NOW for Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton to be removed from courtroom. JUST DO IT – TRUST ME.

        Basis for request that Witness #8 previously lied under oath (4/2/12) because she felt pressured by Sybrina Fulton’s presence during her statement. PLEASE DO THIS NOW.

        I am in Miami Gardens – Was at M-DSPD all day. This request is NOT without reason, merit or purpose. Anyone who can get this message to defense. DO IT.

        Now he has a whole one up for people to crowdsource – which I think is like blasting it out everywhere or something. He’s an ass.

        • cielo62 says:

          Rachael~ LOL! That sounds SO “important”! Just trust me! I KNOW when the case is going to crack wide open!


      • Malisha says:

        Rachael, reading SD’s words, here’s the picture I get of him: he’s another iteration of Fogen. Fogen wanted to be the big important topcop no matter where he was (at work he was the squealer, at the store he was the shoplifter-apprehender, on the road he was the “king of the road,” and in RTL he was the “NW Captain,” etc. etc. ad nauseam). He wanted to play the role he saw the hero playing on TV crime shows. The one who ACTS when others sit and twiddle their thumbs. The one who, when he appears on the scene, the music changes dramatically (“the suspect again emerged from the darkness; he looks like he’s up to no good).

        SD is down there in Miami (if it is even true) trying to get that last-minute save-the-case crucial paperwork that he will then RUSH into the courtroom at the last moment, breaking the case WIDE OPEN and showing that the WHOLE THING was a sham and a miscarriage of JUSTICE that HE WILL REMEDY and save Fogen and the oppressed white Afro-Peruvian race FOREVERMORE!!! TADA!! He’s desperately preparing for the photo-finish. And we all know it can only come (and it is absolutely SURE TO COME) at the last instant, right before ALL IS LOST, and all thanks to HIM!

        But you must clap for TINKERBELL!

        Notify the Defense! Help is coming. “TRUST ME!” he shouts. OMG OMG do not fail in your mission, O Great White Hope!

        (retch retch wretch)

        and everybody must hold their breath for the appearance of:

        SD WHO WILL SAVE THE DAY!! (chest-swelling music) ❗

      • towerflower says:

        How true, how true. He and others over there are truly looking for that Perry Mason moment.

    • BlessTrayvon says:

      ha. the outhousers have nothing to lose…they are extremists.

      they have filled up MOM’s mind with lies…

      I could totally see them insisting they found something when in fact they are mistaken.

      they could actually get MOM in a lot of trouble…I hope he’s vetting them.

  55. Sabrina B. says:

    I’m just going to reserve hope that the jury sees that, whatever else they think she may be, the parts that mattered were the truth.

  56. Shari says:

    Tracy says he’s a fan of Rachel so I’m going to stop complaining.

  57. groans says:

    It’s all about wearing down prosecution witnesses until they are exhausted and confused. Is that REALLY a path to finding the truth?

  58. elcymoo says:

    I realize that I’m biased, and probably have different reactions than some women on that jury might, but my experience in working with developmentally delayed children and students made watching West try to provoke Rachel torture for me today. I had the same reaction she did when he said he’d probably need at least two more hours tomorrow.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I hear you, elcymoo.

      It was so upsetting for me also.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I hope the judge puts her foot down tomorrow and, not allow him two more hours to badger this kid. what he did to her was as shameful as one can get.

    • cielo62 says:

      elcymoo~ I’m not challenged in any way (mentally at least) and I ALSO was flabbergasted when that asshole said ANOTHER TWO HOURS!!


      • jm says:

        I don’t want to listen to this snake for 2 hours and I can’t imagine Rachael wanting to be questioned for 2 hours by this idiot who talks in circles and asks the same questions over and over. West in general is despicable. I hope the jury feels the same way about him. .

      • KittySP says:

        @cielo62 – LORL…

    • FactsFirst says:

      OMG! I wanted to jump through my monitor..

    • dianetrotter says:

      He wants her to suffer all night knowing he is going to grill her tomorrow. I think, during the break, MOM reminded West that she is the enemy.

  59. Tee says:

    Dee Dee was excellent people I wouldn’t worry one bit. The women on the jury have kids they know first hand how they react to stressful situation. This young girl held it down & if the defence only got that last question to try to impeach they had better come better. At know time did she say that it wasn’t Trayvon and she did something no one has done since this started, she let the world know that Trayvon had a high pitch baby voice. That was powerful. West can’t Handel her, he can’t pin her down. I loved every minute of it.

    • type1juve says:

      I agree. I’m proud of how she stood up to West. She does need some coaching on how to carry herself on the witness stand, and hopefully that will be addressed by tomorrow morning. Another thing, Lord help the defense if any of those jurors has a child or relative that is developmentally challenged.

  60. type1juve says:

    This is the very reason that she didn’t want to come forward in the first place. I think it was very brave of her to subject herself to the scrutiny of the court, the media, and a legion of racists.

    • Rachael says:

      And can you blame her? Do you remember what it was like to be a teenager? And now to be in the spotlight of all this crap? And I could certinly understand like she said, not wanting to meet a guy’s mom under those circumstances.

  61. KittySP, there is no doubt that DeeDee is mentaly under-developed. I’m not mocking her. It is just what it appears to be.

    It explains why she cannot read outloud.
    It explains why she has difficulties understanding questions.
    It explains her childish behavior.
    It explains why she is 2+ years late at school.
    It explains why she wants to stay away from the case and stay in the shadow.
    It also explains why she could not grab the gravity of the situation when TM got into a fight and when she learned about the killing.
    It may explain her amazing memory for dates, days and hours as I have no doubt she would school anybody on this.

    It is at first surprising, but it could end up help TM’s case. Because, gosh, she is down the hearth.
    She never budged on her statement about TM asking “Why are you following me?”.
    Just as the x-exam was ending, she added “Because Trayvon has a baby voice”. That was so nice to spontaniously tell everyone that the high pitch voice is from Trayvon.

    It may help defense though. It is clear that they adjust their approach to the personality of the witness. DD is simple, so let trip her up. Selene is nervous, so let be aggressive with her.
    It may also play against them if the jury get to side with DD because of her development issue.

    • KittySP says:

      I respectfully disagree! But to each their own.

      • KittySP says:

        I guess Chad would also be considered mentally under-developed? He’s fifteen in 7th or 8th grade…my point is what’s point of focusing on her weakness/inabilities…none of us know her story. Let’s consider for a moment, what she’s had to overcome to get where she is now.

      • Chad is in 8th grade and I believe is 14.

      • Sleuth says:


        God bless you for not following the crowd. No one here knows anything about her other than what’s been put into the official records. And based on my knowledge her medical history has not been made a part of any public record as it pertains to this case. It’s a shame that anyone would assume anything about her medical condition otherwise.

        I just don’t think it’s a kind or loving thing to do when you don’t have any proof of a witness medical history, to arbitrarily diagnosed them so publicly, especially if lack professional medical expertise in certain areas to support your assertions.

        I wonder if any of them took into consideration that she, her family and friends may one day soon read this blog and wonder what type of people would say such things about her especially if they don’t have any evidence of what they are saying is true.

        And if it were true, what purpose does it serve discussing it and commenting on it here?

    • Tzar says:

      Good analysis
      I also noted her acuity and fascination with dates, combined with her environment specific inappropriate outbursts are a dead giveaway in my opinion for an autistic spectrum disorder or some variant.

      • cielo62 says:

        Tzar~ Yup! NOT stupid but often very bright at very specific things. Dates and times seem to be her strength.


        • jm says:

          Now that I think about it with her memory for dates and certain details like West deposing Trayvon’s brother, etc, she may have a degree of autism. When listening to her I felt she was much younger than 19.

          I also think she has a strong dislike for West that is justified. She sees right through his “act” just like Judge Nelson does. I am so glad Judge Nelson put things in perspective by smacking down West several times.

  62. KittySP says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching her give it to West. Hopefully Nat Jackson takes this young woman aside and talks with her about proper courtroom etiquette.

    • Tzar says:

      that’s all there is to it

      • jm says:

        I think Rachael’s issue is with West and not the court. She wanted to be done with him and obviously has contempt for him and I can’t blame her. To spend a few more hours with him on Thursday going in circles is not something she bargained for.

        So glad she did not mouth off to Judge Nelson when she told her to be back at 9:00.

        She knows instinctively West is a snake just as the rest of us do.

  63. whonoze says:

    Perhaps Rachel just said what the jury was already thinking and feeling about Don West.

  64. Woow! says:

    Thank you Rachel

    1. TM was at the mail kiosk
    2. He entered through a short cut (by the back entrance)
    3. Asked why was he being followed
    4. Heard push/or other contact

    The question is how did Fogen get to the rear of the property on foot if he was in his car at the Kiosk.

    Who told Fogen they saw TM for him to follow in the first place.

    • PYorck says:

      If you accept her testimony – and I do – then there is not much left of GZ’s narrative. Almost nothing fits.

      I think the video by whonoze, amsterdam et al. that was linked here long ago is looking better than ever.

      Now all we need is additional evidence to back that up.

  65. LeaNder says:

    I can freeze, especially when someone tries to make me respond the way West wanted DD to respond. I already could at her age, circumstances thought me. He wouldn’t have managed to hear any of the words he lured out of her from me starting with 17.

    so said.

  66. Dave says:

    I doubt it. She should have had an attorney with her in court and at the depositions. I doubt, though, that her family could afford one if they had even considered it.

  67. Leisa says:

    I don’t know if anyone else was listening to channel 2Wesh but after the seal came up a female made a comment about her having gotten her hair and nails done for court and saying WHAT? That woman sounded like she came from the outhouse.

  68. Woow! says:

    Where can I watch Trent’s videos?

  69. trina cosbie says:

    What is frustrating is that some of you think Rachel is the end all be all for this case & she is clearly not!! Its day 3 people, damn!! Don’t forget we have forensics, ballistics, other witnesses, GZ phone records & text messages. Social media is already going to rip this girl apart just because of the way she looks & speaks. Don’t give them any more ammo. Chill out, we got this!!!

    • Woow! says:

      I think Rachel was wonderful and her testimony was on point.

    • Dee says:

      Believe it or not on HLN, they have been really good with her. People know what going on. Now Fox I don’t know. They are going to have a field day. However, I stop watching fox period I don’t want my rating given to them, for how they handle the election. They are one prejudice channel.

    • Tzar says:

      I am totally with you. I actually can’t wait for her testimony to be over, she has delivered what the state needed.

      That is that:
      Trayvon was, yet one more time, in the act of trying to get away from his killer when he had to turn around and ask him “What are you following me for?”

    • cielo62 says:

      Hey Trina~ You stole all my best lines! LOL! Yeah, we got this!

      Hope it embeds!


  70. groans says:

    This defense team’s cross exam technique makes me think:

    WHY BOTHER having a trial? Why not just submit all the statements and depositions to the jury?

    This defense doesn’t ask “event” witnesses any questions about their knowledge of events. They only ask about what they said before, and have them sit there and read up on it during court time.

    If I were a witness, I’d want to say:

    “Please don’t waste my time, sir – why don’t you just tell the jury what inconsistencies you see, and let them read and compare, and reach their own conclusions. Because this is at least the THIRD time I’m telling what I know, and I have a life to get back to unless you have any unanswered questions that you would like to ask me.”

  71. LeaNder says:

    I was on the wrong thread so it seems I was having a soliloquy with myself. I could cry, they managed to trick her. I have been fearing this all along.

    • Tzar says:

      ha, I have done that on before

    • groans says:

      But that’s just it: They “tricked” her. (Or wore/beat her down.) And if we can see that for what it is, then probably the jurors can, too. And it probably won’t sit any better with them than it does with us.

      (That’s my “cheery” take on it. You’ll likely notice some noticeably less cheery comments elsewhere!)

    • Malisha says:

      I don’t think they have gained anything at all, LeaNder. Nothing she said was materially wrong and she didn’t back off anything. She’s fine.

      • boyd says:

        I have a younger son who has some issues. We had him diagnosed in an effort to help him.

        My son gets very stressed out when people get on him like that. Until he blurts out exactly what his thoughts about you are.

      • FactsFirst says:

        @boyd I have a 22year old daughter like DeeDee… It felt like I was watching her… I wanted to jump through my computer monitor and strangle Pest, I mean West…

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I took a look, LeaNder…..how funny!

  72. smokeegyrl says:

    I have been in a emotional state all day even b4 Dee Dee… didn’t know why… is worried about my mom… haven’t heard from my sister… then I get a phone call right when the judge recessed telling me my first cousin passed away… so young… only 63… *sigh*

  73. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    I don’t see how Rachael can be impeached for saying anything different to the state or defense from what she told Crump. She was not under oath while talking to him over the telephone as far as I know.

    Professor- what do you think about this?

  74. ladystclaire says:

    Where was the state during that depo and, why would Pest ask her about who was screaming on that 911 call? I saw some man with some media running out of the courtroom before the judge could finish talking.

  75. ada4750 says:

    I gonna ask again. Was there neutral witness when she deposed?

    It sounds to me that West did try to raise her against Crump. I find also quite strange, yes quite strange, the way she reproaches West about the meeting avoid the next Friday.

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      Your favourite topic. Bad mouthing this girl.

    • ada4750 says:

      To be more specific, i wonder if West tried to manipulate her emotions in private.

      • ada4750 says:

        Not at all amsterdam. You never read me properly. My mistake, i suppose.

        West is tricky. Surprisingly, Rachel seems to have some resentments toward Mr Crump. I think it is very important to know if West was in private with Rachel and also if there was neutral witness during her deposition.

        • cielo62 says:

          ada~ I also felt that she resented speaking to Mr. Crump. Probably MORE so because of the subject matter and nothing personal. I don’t blame her.


      • fauxmccoy says:

        ada — the witness was quite clear about the source of her anger towards west. the deposition.

        remember, the defense wanted to film, the witness and prosecution refused and they spent well over 4 hours waiting for a ruling from nelson. she’s pissed that her time is being wasted by west (and still is) as well as having to go over this situation which she desperately wishes to avoid.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I thought that Bernie was with her in the deposition, but I don’t remember where I heard that.

  76. Ms.X says:

    Well, I don’t think West was as bad today as he was on other days. Unfortunately he is a very aggravating person. No one has the patience to deal with him especially because he doesn’t really respect anyone’s time or feelings. He feels he has the right to take as long as he wants as ask a question as many times as he wants and go off on tangents and bring up irrelevant issues or whatever.

    I don’t know if I want to watch the whole of mational media making fun of DD tonight. They are going to be spinning like a centrifuge. She isn’t sophisticated enough to draw a line & be conclusive. I’ll keep praying for her.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I agree.

      I need to freshen things up after West’s doings:

    • Trained Observer says:

      I have respect for Rachel (Dee-Dee) and hope she gathers strength overnight for the onslaught to come.

      (Earlier I asked if she can talk to HER lawyer overnight if she has one, which I hope she does. Is that legal? And if not, why not? She’s not the one charged with murder, and Fogen gets to jaw with his lawyers whenever he pleases.)

      • groans says:

        Yes, she needs some support tonight to get a good night’s sleep for tomorrow. IIRC, she’s allowed to talk to others but not to anyone about her TESTIMONY, either today’s or tomorrow’s.

        Hopefully there’s someone (but not any lawyers on this case) she can vent to and regain strength from, without discussing any testimony.

      • Nef05 says:

        I’d need the professor to weigh in on this, but I think she can talk to her OWN attorney about her testimony. Whatever she says to her own attorney is privileged, and we see people testifying in congressional hearings all the time who actually speak to their attorneys WHILE they’re testifying. They certainly talk to them on breaks and during lunch, probably during the overnight recess, as well.

        • cielo62 says:

          Nef05~ The problem seems to be she doesn’t HAVE an attorney. Professor didn’t seem to think so. Maybe Natalie can stead her for tomorrow?


    • Valerie says:

      Heck, even the judge gets aggravated with West…Why would he claim he could not see. I wish Judge Nelson could fine him for doing that…so inappropriate. She had to tell him to “sit down” in her court. Disgusting. He had no such complaints with the other witnesses.

  77. amsterdam1234 says:

    I don’t see how this is going to help the defense. So now West has shown that he, just like his client, has a killer instinct when it comes to black teenagers.
    Rachel’s testimony about what happened that night, sound just as true. I seriously doubt the jury will be impressed the a jerk of a lawyer, was able to rattle this girl after 2 hours of badgering her.

  78. FactsFirst says:

    It’s obvious the deposition was horrible for Rachel/DeeDee! It’s clear they badgered that girl for HOURS until they got her to say what THEY/Defense wanted.. I bet a HUNDRED DOLLAZ to a bucket of SHIT Rachel has a learning disability… And everybody in this blog that think that shit funny F*** YOU! THAT COULD BE YOU! THAT COULD BE YOUR DAUGHTER! BE GREATFUL IT AINT!! They’re taking advantage of her and should be ashamed of themselves!!! SMDH…

    my apologies to those I offend, but this is a sensitive topic for me.. and with that said.. I’m out!

    • KA says:

      I believe that too. I have a son with a 68 IQ from a group home. I know teen girls at group homes that have similar processing patterns. I am a protective bulldog over them. I am furious of his treatment of her today. I think she has a lot of pride, but a court advocate would have served her well today to make the processing transition.

    • Dee says:

      Your right it’s not funny. The jury knows that she has a problem, but they are going to see through that. She has the power to but Zimmerman butt to prison. You notice that was one black he was listening to, and carefully he was sleeping on her, like the rest. And if the Defense has to be very careful with her no matter what she says. If not, it will not sit right with that female jury, you better believe that. Don’t worry Trayvon is going to start helping her. You watch my word. She is the only voice for Trayvon right now, and he will give her strength tomorrow just watch.

      Regardless of what else she said you noticed how clear she was when she said what happened to Trayvon and Zimmerman. All of this other stuff is not important.

      • MichelleO says:

        I’ve missed much of today’s testimony, but came back for the second half of Rachel’s. I noted the scared look on fogen’s face. He definitely is not laughing at this girl, because what she says can send him to police heaven for a very long time.

    • ladystclaire says:

      There is not one damn thing funny about what this child was put through today. It’s very obvious that she has some degree of a learning problem and, for the defense to take advantage of that, speaks to who they really are and, what they are all about.

      Shame on anybody who see’s her affliction as being funny and, may GOD have mercy on you.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I agree, FactsFirst.

      West showed no compassion for her.

      West confronted her with his words, and she “stood her ground” with her words.

    • cielo62 says:

      Facts First~ NOBODY has made fun of Dee Dee on this thread! YES, I think most of caught her cognitive challenges right away. After 20 years as a school teacher, I could tell quickly. She is a VERY concrete thinker and that actually is her strength! Don’t make false accusations you can’t back up. The Outhouse no doubt has revived every knock knock joke in history to put Dee Dee down, but today she is MY hero. She took care of business and got her truth out there.


      • Unabogie says:

        On other forums they are making fun of her. All this shows me is that now I understand why the people around her protected her. She’s a person that needs protection from those around her and has some problems. None of that tells us about her ability to tell the truth, and I found her direct examination extremely powerful.

        • cielo62 says:

          Unabogie~ Exactly! And I think the protections come from kindness, not pity. She as a very powerful speaker today. I honor her courage.


      • FactsFirst says:

        @cielo62 like I said “IF” ANYBODY” think that shit funny, because it’s a sensitive topic for me.. It was NOT a FALSE ACCUSATION… so fall waaay back!

        as I said in my disclaimer:

        “My apologies to those I MAY OFFEND”

        SMDH @ U

      • Nef05 says:

        I believe Factsfirst is speaking of the poster calling itself “Mendelbaum” who basically said it was sad she didn’t know enough to be embarrassed because she didn’t speak correct English, then went on to say her parents were probably as bad or worse.

        Many of us were highly offended by what the poster said. I certainly was. Knowing Factsfirst has immediate family members with challenges, I can see how that would be personally offensive. I’d cut Facts a little slack. Just sayin’.

        • cielo62 says:

          Nef05~ OK. That makes sense. I also cut into mandelbaum by name. Sorry. As you can see, I can ALSO get sensitive about the issue. I took an immediate liking to Dee Dee; she reminded me of many students I’ve taught over the years. You can’t help but feel protective. At the same time, 99.9% of the posters here love her for her honesty. FactsFirst sounded more like casting a larger scold than just one person.


      • FactsFirst says:

        LOL! What I meant to say is, ” everybody in this blog that “THINK”…. LOL! (I was in my feelings) but you know what I’m saying.. SMH

        Now fall waaay back again.. We’re on the same TEAM!

        • cielo62 says:

          FactsFirst~ OKOKOKOKOKOK! I’m falling WAYYYY back! (am I back enough to be safe, though?)


          • FactsFirst says:

            actually @cielo62 that may be a wi bi to far… Imma need you to have my back, so could move up a little closer??? LOL! It’s REAL in the BATTLEFIELD!!!

            Hoddies Up!

          • cielo62 says:

            FactsFirst- right here! Gotcha your back and Hoodies Up! Day 6 coming right at us. Get ready.

            FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62

      • KA says:

        Unaboogie, I agree. Her direct was very powerful and her emotion and respect for the family was obvious.

        Her redirect is honestly confusing with West. He seems in lala land most of the time with irrelevant questions. I hope her questioning is roped in tomorrow with something of relevance.

        It just shows how desperate they are.

  79. whonoze says:

    On reflection, Rachel may have been on some meds that wore off during her testimony. Not that they doped her up for trial, but maybe she’s on some regular script for behavior/concentration/???

    • Ms.X says:

      Possibly. It tends to wear off around 4ish with my students.

    • anita says:

      Any piece of garbage that would laugh at her just infuriates me. I’m sure sick freak fogen would’ve been the type, before he murdered Trayvon & got arrested. I think she’ll be back in the a.m.

      • racerrodig says:

        Fogen finished 315 out of 317 and 316 & 317 dropped out before graduation. I’d still bet Rachel will finish higher than that.

    • ChrisNY~Laurie says:

      I think she just got pissed off. West was trying to confuse her and everybody was having a hard time hearing her, I think that she put herself in defense mode.

      I am impressed with her memory of dates. She seems to remember things very well when she associates them with the date that they occurred. Yes, she lacks social skills, but that does NOT make her less credible.


      • Cercando Luce says:

        She also pointed out what day of the week a certain date was. She knows what she knows and isn’t going to unknow it when the defense lawyers try to push her.

      • racerrodig says:

        I loved it when he stated they contacted here the next month and she laid the wood to him with…..NO, it was March 17th. Then he said “whatever” then he went down another date road, got the date and facts wrong ans she belted him again with “That was March 30th” “…whatever”

        I have an Imitation of Fogen down pat for the wife and son….

        Puff out cheeks….then blink, blink……eyes left….eyes right, wipe sweat from brow…..fill water glass. Repeat every 28 minutes.

  80. KA says:

    I am just at every GZ blog that is laughing at her right now…thinking themselves so much better.

    She was honest, that was certain but confused easily. She is a teen. They are NOT getting her mode of language.

    • Dee says:

      Of course, they’re making N**** jokes. They are having a ball. I am about to go on them, or I will be writing half the night, trying to give them a piece of my mind. However, that’s okay because it shows them how ignorant they are. You know some of these kids today they just talk like this it a language of their own. You can’t understand anything, but they understand each other without a problem.

      • Malisha says:

        They’re laughing on the way to the graveyard. I’ll bet there’s not a single juror who’s willing to mock Rachel Jaentel.

      • dianetrotter says:

        I see it every day at school. It is hard for me to understand some of their FB lingo. I did notice one of my students using one of my expressions on FB today – “lost as an Easter egg.” Their exposure is limited to their school and neighborhood. No money for fieldtrips these days.

  81. ks says:

    Wow, Rachel is doing great but getting tired of West’s BS. BDLR needs to jump in.

    I see we have some trolls here today so I’ll take that as a good sign.

  82. Nef05 says:

    I still think the fact that they were friends destroys the underlying premise (Trayvon was a big, ba’lack THUG who beat up a poor widdle innocent NW guy, cause he was an easy target) of the entire defense.

    Clearly, this was not a kid who took advantage of other people’s limitations. And if you don’t believe Trayvon was a big, balack, scary THUG, what do you have left?


  83. Boyd says:

    This is complete nonsense, West is always trying to trick people, everyone can see that. I’m guessing impeach means to throw out the testimony? well that would not be fair at all to Trayvon or too any teenagers expected to process tricky lawyer questions..

    • Unabogie says:

      They can’t throw out the testimony. “Impeach” means cause the jury to discredit her story.

    • KA says:

      I think this will get saved on redirect. Bernie will go over the important parts of her testimony that she has ALWAYS been consistent on. That will be the lasting memory.

      I am lost on West’s preoccupation with Crump.

      • Woow! says:

        Because MOM and W know a civil suit is coming after the trial is over. I hope Sabrina and Tracy sue

        his partents
        Wolfinger – individually
        Lee – individually
        Hannity if they could

      • lurker says:

        The defense theory is that there was no crime. Crump forced Corey to press charges through political manipulation. And the press was involved as well. It is a recurring undercurrent.

      • cielo62 says:

        KA~ West has got the hots for Crump 😉


    • Malisha says:

      You don’t throw out their testimony. You try to show the jury not to believe them, that’s all. I think her testimony is doing fine. She won’t be impeached; he is gadflying and it’s doing his client’s case more harm than good.

  84. IMBack says:

    Trents commentary will be interesting!

  85. Judy A Vallejos says:

    in the closet she gave her testimony over the phone to Crump

    from her closet

    where do kids hide from bad things?

    I hid in the top of the garage and under my bed and even in my closet….

    even when I just felt so so sad I didn’t know how to fix things or what to do those are the places I would go

  86. Dave says:

    If she doesn’t appear tomorrow morning, West’s vile behavior will have paid off.

    • whonoze says:

      She’s the Jeantelinator. She’ll be back.

    • kllypyn says:

      SHE’LL BE back because she cared about trayvon deeply you could see it on her face when she almost broke down.She knows she and his family are the only ones who can defend him.

      • KittySP says:

        Hopefully someone has taken time and spoken with her and prepare for tomorrow. We have to mindful that, testifying in open court isn’t something inner city youth are accustomed to. They don’t cooperate with police when crimes happen in the ‘hood’ because they don’t trust them. Take into consideration how this case started out.

  87. degraveegmailcom says:

    Are you refusing to come back tomorrow?
    To you?
    My Hero!

  88. type1juve says:

    They should have scheduled her at the beginning of the day. The defense has dealt with her before and they knew she would be pissed at having to come back to finish. Also, Rachel appears to have some cognitive deficits, IMO. The defense is taking advantage of that. Shame on them!

    • lurker says:

      I am not entirely certain that is the case. I would be more inclined to classify her as naive, possibly isolated. I think that Trayvon knew her from an earlier school that he had gone to–perhaps they had moved to get to a better situation. Schools in Florida are scarcely a generation removed from de jure segregation and remain in a state of inequality that tracks with both income and race. Rachel is the first generation born in America with Spanish-speaking parents (I am presuming). She may well be bilingual, caught in bad schools where expectations are set quite low based on poverty, parental language and very likely race.

      If you listen, she is quite explicit with regard to dates. And she is also quite clear that she knows what she knows–despite some variance over time with regard to how she has said things. She also seems to be capable of reading (even studying) transcripts as she is provided with them (although I did wonder if the long sidebar prior to that had to do with a possible reading disability–and we didn’t hear her read out loud).

      She does not seem to have behind her the savvy and sophistication we see in the Martin family. While she deferred to her mother about being interviewed, I thought that was more about wanting her mother to say no on her behalf than actually seeking out her advice.

      She seems to be deeply immersed in a dialect/culture and is genuinely puzzled when the adults cannot understand her words–which to her seem quite plain.

      • KittySP says:


      • Ms.X says:

        I agree with what you said, + the learning disability. How do you learn math? (reading) How do you learn science? (reading) How do you learn history? (reading) How do you learn everything? (reading) I rest my case.

  89. groans says:

    Would sure love to hear the professor’s take on all this.
    (Pretty please?)

    • Trained Observer says:

      x2, pretty, pretty

    • Yes, she needs to get her temper under control. She got tired, became impatient, and lost concentration.

      Up until that happened, she was in control and basically running the show.

      Hopefully, she will sleep well tonight and wake up refreshed.

      Also, I do not believe she was effectively impeached on the issue of voice identification.

      Please see my new post regarding West’s gotcha trick.

      I should be ready to post it in approximately 15 minutes.

  90. disappointed says:

    I hope the Jurors understand her frustration. Otherwise this COULD be bad. I get it, but will they?

  91. cielo62 says:

    Schaeffer the analyst is a TOOL. He said Dee Dee did her testimony “irreperable harm”. BS!! Taken overall, I’d say she did well, but little by little the constant hounding and badgering got her to lose her temper. And HONESTLY! Is there a major difference between “What are you doing around here” and whatever other thing she said. What is imprortant to remember is that gz NEVER NEVER said WHO HE WAS. So his challenge is rather unimportant since it did NOT deescalate the fear that he had caused to Trayvon.

    • type1juve says:

      GZ also lied about confronting Trayvon.

    • GZ admitted in one of his statements to the police, possibly to Doris Singleton during the first interview after he killed Martin, that he asked TM what he was doing in the neighborhood.

      • type1juve says:

        I stand corrected 🙂

      • Tee says:

        That’s exactly what he said, I wish that the prosecution get to admit that statement into evidence.

      • MichelleO says:

        I remember both she and Fogen saying the same thing last summer, during the document dumps. No wonder fogen looked so frightened when court adjourned for the second half of her testimony.

      • ay2z says:

        how did I mess that!!

        Have the recordings, going to put them on.


      • racerrodig says:

        “…after he killed Martin, that he asked TM what he was doing in the neighborhood.”

        Which is inconsistent to his statements that Trayvon came out of nowhere / the bushes / the dark and sucker punched him with no warning. He also says he was called “homie” but I thinks “…crazy ass cracker…” works. Just sayin’

        I believe the testimony regarding running from left to right or right to left is a huge one. I wonder why Fogen left that part
        out ??

    • Trained Observer says:

      cielo62 — am with you.

  92. KA says:

    She said “Sound like”, “Could Be” and “It is his voice”

    How are they so different to be impeached. it sounds like grasping at straws to me by the defense.

    She did not hear the screams. They asked her opinion.

    Nothing has changed in her main story. This line of questioning and badgering seems completely immaterial!

  93. One positive thing she said though: “Because, Trayvon has a baby voice.”

  94. towerflower says:

    Going after a statement of whether or not it was TM’s voice screaming on the 911 tape, in the ABC interview she said she wasn’t sure and today she said it was.

    • cielo62 says:

      Like maybe she had time to hear it several times and reflect on it. That doesn’t make her a liar!

    • whonoze says:

      No. The ABC thing was an alternate expression she had used in quoting the TM/GZ exchange. The voice ID is from her depo with the defense.

      • towerflower says:

        Now, I’m confused. When they approached the bench it was with an ABC report but you say the voice was with their depo. So what could’ve been in the ABC report?

  95. Sleuth says:

    They need her on the witness for at least 2hrs. tomorrow. Plus she did at least 2hrs today. That’s got to be stressful.

    • tonydphotog says:

      No, I don’t believe that statement. West was just being the jerk that he is. She told him she wasn’t coming back tomorrow, which is why he made sure to not finish today.

    • Dee says:

      Lol, she said what? Oh no… this is going to be gone today. West can’t believe she’s talking to him that way. He said you mean to say your not coming back, the judge said shout up West and continue, lol not really, but it was funny.

  96. cielo62 says:

    She was BADGERED and got tired. I agree she is challenged and SHOULD HAVE HAD an advocate to help her out. But DAMN! I understand not wanting to answer the same shit over and over and over and over and….

  97. whonoze says:


    If you had any plans to do anything else the next six months BESIDES making Rachel Jeantel videos, you’re going to have to make other arrangements.

    • Nef05 says:

      I usually only go watch videos of stuff I’ve missed. But, in this case, I want to see Trent’s video of Rachel. You KNOW he’s got some great comments!

    • disappointed says:

      What a great idea! I agree. Oh and please be sure to capture the stupid look on West face every time she threw his against the wall!;)

  98. chi1224 says:

    West is a massive dick. I think this will backfire big time. Bottom line she is a believable witness. The JURY will believe her, and Fogen will be convicted!

  99. Trained Observer says:

    Professor — Is Rachel (Dee-Dee) not free to speak with her own lawyer (if she has one, and I hope she does) between now and tomorrow at 9 o’clock?

    • I do not believe she has been represented by counsel at any time in this case.

      • disappointed says:

        Are you available? I bet we can get enough donations for her retainer.

      • Beverly says:

        Will you please school us on ways to have handled this better? Surely the State knew there may be a problem. Can you lay out a strategy? She certainly had information; it was shameful to ask her to read pages from a deposition….

      • KA says:

        I suspect she is on an IEP in school and has some diagnosed delays. Would they not have assigned her a court advocate to hep her with processing and translation?

        If not, they could railroad every person with a compromised processing time.

      • KA says:

        I thought to myself when he asked her to read that reading/comprehension could be part of her issues which is why she was defensive about it.

  100. FactsFirst says:

    see why black folk don’t like to get involved?

  101. Tzar says:

    He had her flustered

    • Woow! says:

      No he had her pissed b/c he keep asking the same damn thing.

    • Trained Observer says:

      She’s tired and pissed, and who could blame her? It’ s one thing to rack your brain about THAT afternoon/evening that Trayvon was shot. She’s being grilled on everything from news reports she apparently didn’t see or pay attention to , to depos, to phone conversations, to who said what at what meeting, to what the depositions said … .

      I think JN should rule on limiting questions to her part on Feb. 26.

  102. cielo62 says:

    “WHAT!?” Ok I understand. But she needs to control it. Poor kid.

    • Tzar says:

      someone needs to tell her to chill out
      she has no sense of court decorum

      • KA says:

        She is a delayed high school student. She acts her age and position. It seems she is being punished for talking to Trayvon. Her life is changed forever thanks to GZ and his followers. .

        • Tzar says:

          I know but mom/dad need to sit her down and let her know to take it easy and not put so much pressure on herself
          she needs to know that this is West’s game to get he mad and discombobulated on the stand
          She needs to keep her answers shot and sweet
          yes, no, don’t know
          make him work for your words

      • Woow! says:

        She is a teen and have not been is a court room before. What do you expect.

        This kid is having to relive her friend’s death.

      • Dee says:

        Because she has never been in court before, don’t you think the judge would have told her something by now. You have to get on the level of people. You may know better. She doesn’t. She is easily with them asking her things, but one thing she knows is what happened on that phone between her a Trayvon and really that’s all she needs to be sure of, that alone will put Zimmerman behind bars. She may be the truthfulness witness up there in the jury eyes.

      • looolooo says:

        Ditto Tzar! Just what I’ve been trying to say. Thankfully your comments have been recieved more favorably than mine have. I’m jealous. 😦

    • fauxmccoy says:

      this judge has serious education in psychology and worked with juvenile court for many years. i have no doubt that she understands what is going on, will do her best to follow the law and be kind to this witness. witness also seems to be clearly under guard with an appointed deputy.

      • cielo62 says:

        faux mccoy~ actually I heard JN speak to Dee Dee and each time it was in a quiet, kind voice. She can’t be seen as playing favorites, but I DO believe JN will put safeguards in place for Dee Dee.


  103. dianetrotter says:

    JN said “WHAT?”

  104. MichelleO says:

    What? I love Rachel!!! “What?” Bwahahahaha!

  105. Sophia33 says:


  106. disappointed says:

    you reading it, lmao! this girl is killing me!

  107. Leisa says:

    She has lost her patience with West.

  108. chi1224 says:

    She’s getting visibly pissed at West

  109. ada4750 says:

    This is disgusting. The deposition had the main purpose to confuse and use it after. Was there any neutral witness at her deposition?

  110. whonoze says:

    No. I’m leavin’ today.

    • cielo62 says:

      Yes, she REALLY wanted to leave today. It’s stressful, painful, embarrassing, demeaning, frustrating and absolutely NO FUN.


  111. disappointed says:

    OMG they need to just let her go. Fogen shot Trayvon not Rachel.

  112. Woow! says:

    She has no problem being direct and to the point with W

  113. Sophia33 says:

    She said, “I am finishing today”.

  114. whonoze says:

    Are you listening?

    Rachel can’t figure out that he’s not. She’s getting really tired and testy. I think her emotional and intellectual age is no more then 12.

  115. cielo62 says:

    “Are you listening?” SCHOOL him! WHAT IS THE ISSUE with West? She can’t be credibly impeached.

  116. IMBack says:

    This is a Charles Ramsey type interview and she is being truth.

  117. Trained Observer says:

    Rachel to West “I had told you … you listening? ” LOL LOL LOL

  118. Puck says:

    Rapping those “court nails” for emphasis – GO RACHEL!!! (Ms. Jeantel if you’re nasty!)

  119. type1juve says:

    It appears the defense deliberately split this girl’s deposition in an effort to trip her up.

  120. Sophia33 says:

    Are you listening?

  121. Woow! says:

    I had told you .. are you listening

  122. Tonya Bouie says:

    he is going to impeach her…. omg im pissed how could she do this????????

  123. chi1224 says:

    Does it really matter how Zimmerman answered the question when Trayvon said “Why are you following me?”…. The point is Fogen was FOLLOWING Trayvon.

  124. My Forehead Tho says:

    I hope the defense keeps in mind that by crucifying a witness for not remembering word for word what they said, they’re making it that much harder for their client, who has told several different versions of the same story.

  125. cielo62 says:

    “What?” Let ’em know you are messing with you! What a DICK West is.

  126. Woow! says:

    Did MOM give the treepers a copy of her depo?

  127. Sophia33 says:


    What kind of computer do you have and how do you sync in the video and audio? Thanks.

  128. disappointed says:

    I think west is confusing her.

  129. willisnewton says:

    he’s likely picking out minor differences in what she’s said was exchanged by the two parties.

    looks like west has highlighted a partial answer she gave at deposition, a matter thata BDLR feels she addressed more fully soon after.

    it’s a bullshit argument here. West is nit picking.

  130. Rachael says:

    Great just in time for me to sign back on for work. What a dick West is.

  131. willisnewton says:

    if he hands her a transcript I hope she tells him to go screw himself.

  132. ‘ol fogen looks like he’s getting nervous……..

  133. sparger says:

    I love Rachel. At first I wasn’t too sure. She is not smart enough to tell a pack of lies and not get tripped up. I am sure the jury can see that the girl is telling the truth.

  134. Trained Observer says:

    Fogen just wipes his forehead and snout as jurors arrive.

  135. tonydphotog says:

    Now I understand why the defense asked the treeslum to let them know if any witness’ testimony differs from their original statement.

    It’s just sick!

  136. ay2z says:

    GZ has a new job, water boy, filling glasses for everybody at his tables. For the benefit of his ‘good’ guy image for the jury no doubt.

  137. Woow! says:

    I bet BDLR and team were LBO at W getting schooled by a 19 yr old. They knew Rachel was feisty and could hold her own.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Yeah … bet BDLR and Associates are now better schooled in current Miami teen talk.

      Fogen’s “homie” talk a hoot.

  138. Judy A Vallejos says:

    and oh my goodness get the fuck over it

    I have understood every single thing this girl has said and had no hearing problem what so ever with her soft voice

    west is using this to try and make her feel as though something is wrong with her he keeps trying to stick it to her well, thank goodness she is sticking him back!!!

  139. Trained Observer says:

    Oh, I see we are showing some decolletage today on the defense side. Doubt that cuts ice with jury ladies.

  140. willisnewton says:

    west ran out the clock hoping to get Rachel/W8 to be called back for a second day, to badger her.

    despicable. The prosecution should push to finish.

    • cielo62 says:

      willisnewton~ AGREE. Instead Dee Dee blurted out her exasperation with the thought of ANOTHER 2 hours talking to a 3 year old child called Don West! Good thing they stopped. She can regain her composure and have someone help her deal with tomorrow.


  141. Beverly says:

    And they expected her to call LE and offer all her information that she didn’t even want to talk about; there are lots of folks who do not ever want to call the cops. She saying that she did not know to do that.

    • willisnewton says:

      Those people who don’t want to call the cops are called “minorities.” Also known as people who get PROFILED by cops and don’t trust the system to work out in their favor because of centuries of oppression.

      • Sophia33 says:

        Which is why I get pissed with Zimmerman fans who say that if Trayvon was scared he should have called the police. They aren’t taking what you said willis into account.

      • Beverly says:

        And we are seeing all those issues live. I never realized how learned one has to be about Court. I have been hit in the head about education, however. Im sort of wondering at some of what I have not understood deeply enough. This woman was lost, and there did not seem to be a way to give her relief. Im sick at heart.

      • SoulSistaWoo says:

        EXACTLY! They continue to ask why Trayvon did not call the Cops… Becasue Black Males and the Police do not have a Leave IT to Beaver history and relationship… But if you did not grow up as a Black man in America you can not relate to that.

      • lurker says:

        Not to mention, Rachel and Trayvon were both essentially teenagers. Teens believe themselves to be invulnerable, they lack all kinds of knowledge and life experiences. And being followed is a fairly ambiguous situation. Creepiness is ambiguous. Adult predators frequently make use of this ambiguity, minimizing instinctual fears and cautions over time through a “grooming” process. It is really hard to both trust that something is wrong and to explain to an adult authority what it is that is wrong.

  142. chi1224 says:

    Analyst on my live link is saying she is believable because it’s obvious she wasn’t coached, and I fully agree. What a great day today for the prosecution!

  143. smokeegyrl says:

    Aye Yi yi Yi Yi Yi Yi… Lord Help her… Pleaseeeeeeeeee help her… She was getting frustrated with West… she wanted him to stop… it looks like she was going to tell him what he wanted to hear hear..

    • Malisha says:

      Oh I doubt she’s gonna tell him what he wants to hear. But she might tell him what he does NOT want to hear, and perhaps in no uncertain terms.

  144. Sleuth says:

    O’Dirty has over what, a month, to depo Mr. Crump but hasn’t. The Wiester and O’Dirty had Mr. Crump kicked out of the courtroom Monday. Now The Wiester is trying to impeach Miss Rachel’s testimony.

    Gimmie a break.

  145. bettykath says:

    I think the tape they got from ABC has more information it than the one Crump did. They recorded everything, Crump turned the tape off and spoke to her “on the side”. ABC kept their recorder running. Maybe there is something that Crump coached her to say.

    • whonoze says:

      No. bk. They took one of several breaks to try to get better audio from the speakerphone, and when they resumed, Crump forgot to turn his recorder on. He realized that, and asked her to restart. In the ABC clip, you can hear him count down 1 2 3 to the point where he turns his mini-corder back on. Read my post above. There was no unethical “coaching.”

    • Sleuth says:

      IIRC, a few months ago it was reported that ABC no longer have a copy of the tape. Don’t know if that means they got rid of original and copies.

  146. Judy A Vallejos says:

    Rachel has always maintained that Trayvon was being followed. Rachel has always maintained that Trayvon was trying to get away from zimmerass. Rachel has always maintained Trayvon thought he lost zimmerass. Rachel has always maintained she heard some heavy breathing old man say “What are you doing around here?”

    Rachel has never wanted to be THE LAST PERSON Trayvon spoke to. Rachel has never wanted to believe her life long friend was gone. Rachel has never wanted to face the fact that her friend was horrifically murdered. She has not been ready and I feel is still not ready but being forced.

  147. Woow! says:

    W has been cross examining Rachel since about 1:40-42 How long is this child going to have to answer this fools repetitive questions.

    Has anyone noticed W is not concentrating on his client only on Crump?

  148. FactsFirst says:

    I don’t blame DeeDee for not wanting to be involved PERIOD! Her friend was just murdered and THEM BOYZ were tryna cover it up.. GTFOHWTBS

  149. whonoze says:

    They are going to have to go back to the rotten-audio Crump tape to deal with this supposed impeachment. Rachel DID say something else than what she said today, quoting Trayvon, in the clip from ABC, BUT she was paraphrasing. She had said the quote exactly as she said it today BEFORE that point, and it’s on the recording, albeit hard to hear. Crump reminded her to go back to her previous wording, and the defense is going to argue that he was putting words in her mouth. You need the whole recording, the ABC clip is out of context. I sure as shit hope BDLR is prepared for this.

  150. MichelleO says:

    Professor Leatherman! Calling Professor Leatherman!

  151. cielo62 says:

    Impeach WHAT exactly?

  152. Did DD say that she did not care about the 1st interview. I’m working listening on & off in parallel.
    If she did then did she kill her testimony?

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      The Crump interview was not under oath. I don’t think she will be impeached.

    • KA says:

      I think it was her stating her own feelings, not her actions. She did not want the interview with Crump and write a letter instead. She did not change her story at all except the hospital and that was explained and not material.

      She is talking “teen” talk, not lawyer speak.

      They don’t “care” about Math, but they still turn in their Math homework…

      Teen talk.

    • She did not say she rushed the interview because she did not want to be there as an excuse for changing some of her story.

      If she did then I’m afraid she gave defense the best present they could dream of. They will come back and say: “See, she admitted that her testimony isn’t worth anything because she did not care a bit”.

    • Malisha says:

      Not at all. She was right; what did she care about some lawyer and his newspaper and so forth? SHE only cares about REAL things. She cared about Trayvon. She’s not a publicity hound and she’s not interested in the “ramifications” of anything; she loved Trayvon and he’s gone and that’s the story and she is definitely sticking to it.

  153. Tee says:

    This was good, man I needed popcorn for this. This young girl STOOD HER GROUND today she couldn’t help Trayvon that night but God has given her the strength, & the Witt to help I’m now. I know west want to spit!

  154. towerflower says:

    Does anyone know what could used to impeach her from the ABC report?

    • Rachael says:

      Maybe she signed a release that she didn’t understand?

    • KA says:

      I am baffled.

    • gbrbsb says:

      The TL section concerning DD has a thread precisely analysing the ABC and BDLR and Crump interviews IIRC and am going to try to check it out tonight because I believe there was something she says slightly differently about the exchange between GZ and Trayvon, or perhaps because of something they concluded Crump coached her.

      Yeah, coached her ! The only thing you could “coach” Racheal to do is to answer questions, if she wants, and to not get up and walk out. IMO she hasn’t the capacity to lie as she would soon be tripped up and they just spent hours trying that with 0 result.

      • lurker says:


      • Malisha says:

        No way to impeach her — she’s solid & she’s not playing any games. They can prove she said ABCDE one time and CDEBA another but she has all the facts down pat, she’s right about them, they fit with the physical evidence, and she’s nobody’s fool.

        • cielo62 says:

          Malisha~ Drilled on target! Well said. If I were on the jury, that is what I would be looking for; the OBVIOUS lies and not the small paraphrasing on a central truth.


  155. Boyd says:

    This is bullshit. Asking this girl questions about Crump etc etc.

    I don’t blame her, why does she have to care about Crump crazy phone idea?

    Good grief.

    and don’t worry Don we’ll get to what your boy exactly said in his interviews, yeah we’ll get to that later

  156. smokeegyrl says:

    Nobody is going to understand What Dee Dee is saying… When Trayvon Martin was killed and she had to find out about it later… she didn’t want to talk to anybody not Crump… not anybody… what part doesn’t anybody understand… Her friend was taken from her… People are going to take this and run amuck with this as some crazy shit… and it pisses me off..

    • disappointed says:

      Yep. As adults we do not understand kids/teens. The one thing I do know, they process death totally different. They need to back off.

    • cielo62 says:

      smokeegyrl~ I agree 100%! I understand her all the way. When I lose a pet, I’m the same way. When my dad died, I hid out for awhile. It’s called “GRIEVING.”


    • Sophia33 says:

      I understand per perfectly, and from the look on everyone’s face, people in the courtroom understood her too.

    • looolooo says:

      Exactly smokeegyrl. That’s what I’ve been trying to say in my previous comments.

  157. dianetrotter says:

    There will be DeeDee videos on YouTube similar to Charles Ramsey and the “Aint’t nobody got time for that!” lady. This is tooo good!

    • Ms.X says:

      Probably so, but I think thats exploitative & sad. She will be made fun of because she is trying to help get justice for her murdered friend? Uncool.

  158. ay2z says:

    pure anger in gz’s face, not immediately before the camera cut off, but just prior to that in the last minute or so. His eyes were squinted and his mouth was tightened up. Never saw that before with him.

    (this was as jurors were moving out. Then his expression changed to his normal controlled expression.

  159. Tee says:

    He’s trying to say that she laid about what she told Crump after Trayvon said why you following me, but that’s crazy because Zimmerman backed up what she said in his own word in ” one ” of his stories of what happened that night. So she didn’t go into detail with Crump but with BDLR she didn’t want to be apart of this she’s said that maybe 100 times now.

  160. looolooo says:

    Sabrina and Tracy look worried. And they have good reason. Rachel/DeeDee has proven to be a “TRAIN WRECK” Yikes!

    I was afraid this could happen. She’s (IMO) telling the whole truth, but she’s peppering it with MAJOR attitude. The jury will judge Trayvon by this friend he hung around with. Who wouldn’t?

    Did BdlR know that she was this way? He’s gotta be sweating bullets!
    I’m terrified.

    • MichelleO says:

      Well, if they are that juvenile and superficial, the hell with them. There’s nothing wrong with this girl. Sure, she’s no mainstream dream, but she’s more real than you’ve seen anybody be on television in a very long time. She’s just tells it like it is and let’s the chips fall where they may. I prefer people like this.

    • cielo62 says:

      don’t be a fool. The entire testimony was genuine and heart wrenching. Or were you watching something else?

    • chi1224 says:

      Are we watching the same trial?? She has been a GREAT witness for the state! Even the TV analysts are saying so, and it’s also all over twitter. This girl nailed it! It’s the defense who is shitting themselves, along with their guilty client!

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      Not what I’m getting… I think the attitude is warranted.. The meat of her testimony is solid and I think the jury sees that West is bull shitting and Rachel don’t take no mess… she is awesome, just my opinion…. anyone gives her reason to be angry and treat the people hostile who are helping the man who killed her friend…

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      nooonooo looolooo

    • Rachael says:

      I think you must be watching it on the same channel as the outhouse is tuned in on, because I’m seeing an entirely different testimony than you (and they) apparently are.

    • Trained Observer says:

      looolooo — You wish, perhaps? Yet you are soooosooooo wrong.

    • Puck says:

      GTFO troll

      • looolooo says:

        So now I’m a troll? Come on Puck. You may disagree with me on this one, but I’m NO TROLL!

        I’m a BILLION percent PRO Trayvon. Always have been, always will be.

        And your mean comments about me HURT.

    • Be serious now,Sabrina and Tracy are sad because their son
      was murderer by a coward grown up man.
      The State have evidence and forensic to imprison the child killer for life!
      Why BDLR need to be terrified?
      The one terrified is the child killer,eh!

    • looolooo says:

      Whoa. Didn’t know I’d ruffle so many feathers. Like I said, I believe she’s telling the WHOLE TRUTH, but her attitude needs checking. She’s a very young black girl, who’s overweight, poorly educated, and I fear…… she won’t garner much empathy from the jury. In other words, she’s a walking, talking negative AA female stereotype. And she WILL be judged as such. Look how Trayvon’s being portrayed. How about President Obama? Get where I’m going with this.

      Even though it’s the truth, she should’ve know better than to mention the “crazy ass cracker” or Trayvon’s calling fogen “nigga”. Even though it’s the truth.

      Like you all, I too like her candor, and honesty, but……..

      Hoodies (still) up

      • cielo62 says:

        REALLY? We have NO idea what the JURY looks like! They might be ALL overweight stereotypical white folks!


      • Again,the state have evidence to imprison the child killer for life!What Obama got to do with the child killer murdering Martin.!Go ruffle feathers to the monkey house!

      • lurker says:

        I suspect that BDLR took into account who she is and how she sounds in putting her on this early in the trial. I recall the professor suggesting her near the end for the emotionalism of it all. I think that this way the jury can put aside the attitude and recall that she testified that Trayvon was scared, that she thought that the screams sounded like him and that he asked Zimmerman why he was following him.

        They jury may well take a liking to her, I don’t know. I have certainly been enjoying her.

        We know from the phone records that she WAS speaking to Trayvon, and she certainly did not seek out the spotlight. She wasn’t leading any parades.

      • looolooo says:

        In the future I’ll be sure to put aside my right as a natural born American citizen to have a “slightly” different opinion of any given subject. At least here with “some” of my fellow Team Trayvon members.


        p.s. I’m also an AA female, just not quite as young. We’re judged very differently/harshly than other ethnicities. Hence one main reason for this blog site.

        If I’ve affended anyone, it was not my intention, I was just speaking my mind and concerns.

      • MedicineBear says:

        She “WILL” be judged? YOU are judging her. Get over your stereotypical disrespectful self!

      • aussie says:

        Don’t forget the jury was questioned by the same West. And clearly annoyed by him but not in a position to say so. I bet they are applauding her for standing up to his BS.

        And not taking it lying down, not being conned into changing her story, is making her look more and more truthful, while his trying to trip her up is making him look nasty.

        I don’t think she’s harmed the case at all. Even not santising the words used goes to truth and reality, and shows she was in no way coached.

      • PiranhaMom says:


        You are transparent, and it ain’t pretty,

        We know a pack of you have been dispatched from the CrudHouse to ragg on us, Y’all write alike, so it’s just one demented fuzzball – we know.

        And knock off that smarmy “support” for Trayvon. I don’t want your dirty mind sullying his name.

        Go back to your own cesspool.

        You’re a Maggot for Fogen.

    • Malisha says:

      “Judging Trayvon” is not the name of the game. That’s the game that Fogen was playing on 2/26/2012.

      Rachel did not ask to be involved in a murder trial; she had no idea her good friend would be murdered. She was fine and there was no serious problem with ANY of her testimony. She cannot “not have attitude” if she has attitude but I believe her attitude was not only justifiable, it was a reality check for the jury.

      As in:

      Is this trial an outrage because a guy should be allowed to kill a kid he takes a dislike to? Or is this trial an outrage because it is so obvious the defendant murdered an innocent teen-ager that he should have pled guilty right away and thrown himself on the mercy of the court?

  161. Judy A Vallejos says:

    I don’t know about you all but when im on my cell phone and it keeps losing signal I stop where I am and I stop moving my head around I stop. that way I don’t keep losing signal after I get it reconnected so there is your fricking 35 to 40 minutes west you dumb ass

  162. willisnewton says:

    sidebar? looks like a hearing.

    I think the defense wants to “impeach” the witness on a minor change in testimony – the EXACT wording she recalls GZ used when they met. She’s been asked to recall it two times, and the exact wording wasnt the same.

    the prosecution probably made a motion, or else the defense made a motion and the prosecution wants to respond?’

  163. FactsFirst says:

    For the 1st time EVER fogen looks worried!

  164. Trained Observer says:

    When your client is guilty as hell, you gotta vilify somebody. Crump has been a target. Yet Rachel/Dee-Dee/Wit 8 is brilliantly separating herself from anyone … Crump, Sybrina, cops, the State, and setting herself up as a stand-alone witness …. nobody’s patsy.

    Hoodies up

    • chi1224 says:

      Although I don’t see what the big deal is with Crump? What did he do wrong?? Fogen is on trial here not Crump or anyone else.

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      The girl is telling the truth as she heard it that night and truth trumps bullshyt all day, everyday.

  165. KA says:

    What the hell just happened.

  166. Deborah Moore says:


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    Most of you may have seen this before.

  167. ladystclaire says:

    This BS from West needs to stop. What the hell is wrong with the state and the judge?

  168. cielo62 says:

    CRUMP! Are those morons still going for CRUMP??

    • Rachael says:

      I don’t know, but they have her kind of freaked out I think. I wish someone could just kind of give her a smile at least and let her know that she’s doing fine and West is just being an asshole.

      Oh it figures, a recess now when I’ have no work for 1/2 hour.

  169. Dave says:

    The audio is out of sync with the video at nbcnews. Are others having the same problem?

  170. willisnewton says:

    the defense did NOT get this portion from ABC, per se. They asked for it, but ABC made it PUBLIC first.

  171. whonoze says:

    This is going to be a feature film, and people will be playing videos of this testimony decades from now.

  172. KA says:

    What is the impeachment?

  173. IMBack says:

    “Nobody wants to be in a closet that long”! Line of the day

  174. Rachael says:

    What is he doing?

  175. ay2z says:

    Question comes to mind, RJ was born in Haiti, what age was she when she left, and what exposure to the conditions in Haiti, possibly seeing things a child should not see, that have had an impact on her? Death, looking at bodies, being behind in school, having a speech impediment, (she made a comment that sounded like she was sensitive about her voice being heard).

    • Rachael says:

      I took that to mean she didn’t want anyone she knows to recognize her, but it really doesn’t make any difference. She is a kid, and you know how kids are at that age. Geez. That poor girl.

    • Nef05 says:

      She was born in Miami. It was the first question BDLR asked after she spelled her name.

      • Trained Observer says:

        Right, Nef. Born in Miami. Her mother was born on island of Haiti and Dominican Republic. This established at the get-go of her testimony.

    • elcymoo says:

      Did I misuderstand her? I thought it was her mother who was born in Haiti, and that she was born and grew up in Miami.

    • diary73 says:

      She said she was born in Miami.

      • towerflower says:

        She was born and raised in Miami, he mother is from Haiti she also mentioned the Dominican Republic, with her mother being from Haiti maybe her father is Dominican. She said she was raised by her mother.

    • lurker says:

      I don’t think that’s a speech impediment. It’s a dialect. I know a black family that came from rural Florida. Same speech patterns.

      • Sleuth says:

        I said the same thing when her interview with Mr. Crump was made public. I could tell from her speech pattern that she had roots in the caribbean.

  176. type1juve says:

    Mr. Don needs to wrap this up. Rachel could go toe to toe with him all night.

  177. lurker says:

    Oh, my. I do think that the jury is going to like Rachel. She cuts through the mess.

  178. Sleuth says:

    So he’s trying to impeach her testimony?

  179. chi1224 says:

    Fuck him, it will never work!

  180. Woow! says:

    “When you didn’t want to interview me . . .”

    I stepped away for a minute. Was she talking to W when she said that?

    • whonoze says:

      Indeed she was, Woow!

    • lurker says:

      Yes, she was correcting him on an interview date. I think that she was referring to the day that they were waiting for JN to rule on the use of video. She must have had to sit waiting all day and then they rescheduled.

      West made it sound like just a scheduling error. But she is really precise with regard to dates.

  181. Trained Observer says:

    What did the blonde just whisper into Fogen’s ear?

  182. whonoze says:

    “Crump interview didn’t mean nothing to me!”

  183. Tzar says:

    holy fuck
    this is a twilight zone

  184. disappointed says:

    She sat in the closet and talked to Mr Crump.

  185. SearchingMind says:

    West is not getting anywhere with Dee Dee. This lady is a tough cookie. She is really kicking West’s butt.

  186. disappointed says:

    Did she just give him sh about his schedule.

  187. Sleuth says:

    ROTFLMBO!!!!! Oh, Miss Rachel! Girl YOU ROCK!!! So Mr. Don can’t remember his dates!

  188. whonoze says:

    Rachel sassing West. Amazing.

  189. My Forehead Tho says:

    The past year should be an indicator to West that going after Crump is a waste of time. Other than constantly highlighting the fact that she lied a couple times, he’s going nowhere.

    When is he going to talk about what happened the night in question?

  190. lurker says:

    Tracy got a smile from that. I’m glad.

  191. chi1224 says:

    omg I am rolling over here, she is pointing out what assholes they are, this is priceless!! HAHAHA

  192. bettykath says:

    Rachel spanks West! love it

  193. KA says:

    Is Tracy laughing?

    She is schooling Don West.

  194. lurker says:

    “When you didn’t want to interview me . . .”


  195. Tzar says:

    please tell me what the fuck is West doing?

  196. chi1224 says:

    She’s proving to West and everyone else she remembers details

  197. KA says:

    Where is he going…who cares if they text? They are teens. My kid once (when I had a 1000 text limit) texted over 5000 texts in a month.

  198. fauxmccoy says:

    dear god west — my 15 year old had 4k text messages on one month’s phone bill! he’s clueless. (and i’m thankful i have unlimited messaging)

  199. lurker says:

    Friends, West, get it? Just friends?

    Ooh, ooh, bonus. She just explained how she and her friends use each other’s phones to text one another!

    Goes to authentication, if they ever want to bring Trayvon’s texts into court.

  200. Got dammit, West! Rachel said it seemed like there was a relationship between her and Trayvon because of the text messages between them.

  201. Donna Flores says:

    Well after her testimony, I believe Zimmerman parked at the front of the clubhouse, and was walking around spying on Trayvon while he was at the mailboxes, which is why he was captured on the clubhouse cameras.

  202. willisnewton says:

    like many teens they probably shared text messages that mentioned teen sex. Not between each other, but colorful language. DeeDee/W8/ rachel didn’t want the parents to see the text messages.

    She’s saying that OTHER girls used HER phone to send text messages. So she can’t be responsible for everythign said.

  203. Judy A Vallejos says:

    oh my hell Bernie say something please good grief stop this bull shit

  204. Rachael says:

    That little girl has made my day very happy. I’m sure Trayvon’s parents want to give her the biggest hug ever.

  205. MichelleO says:

    Phone pals. Idiot. Get the phug out of here. I suppose West wasn’t so lucky in life to have friends.

  206. dianetrotter says:

    She had a crush on him.

  207. Sleuth says:

    O’Dirty went to her FB page, that’s why she was asked if she also went by the name “Diamond” or “DeeDee”.

  208. gbrbsb says:

    Ok, West is now looking for his next client… help her sue Crump for not getting her permission to air the recorded conversation to the media !

  209. Mary Davis says:

    LOL. I love this baby girl. She is driving them crazy.

  210. towerflower says:

    JN to West: “You can’t object to your own question.”

    • Malisha says:

      OOOH I bet JN could KICK herself now because she SHOULD have said: “You can’t object to your own question. But overruled, anyway.”

  211. chi1224 says:

    It says a lot about Trayvon that he was a good friend to this girl

  212. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    I wish that West would shut up! He is getting on my last nerve.

  213. Judy A Vallejos says:

    oh my goodness how many times does she has to tell him she don’t fucking watch the tv news

  214. chi1224 says:

    “I was just worried about my voice” lol

  215. fauxmccoy says:

    this young woman is not stupid, she is inarticulate as i have always maintained and has a dialect of the Caribbean islands, but she is not stupid.

    • Trained Observer says:

      And yet even contributors to this blog have tried to paint her as everything from mentally deficient to having a speech disorder.

      • Sleuth says:

        And nothing could be farther from the truth. There is nothing wrong with her speech, nor is she mentally deficient.

        I would imagine these same people would say the same things about Geechees who speak gullah language. They are some of the first people to arrive in this country as early as the colonial days, and even after many generations, their syntax still remains strong.

        However, to people living outside the geographical area of Geechees, especially those who have never interacted with them, would also think they have speech impediments or some type of mental deficencies. They do not.

        Not meaning to offend anybody, but unless you are of a very similar background, you are inclined to think something is wrong with a person whose cultural background is much different than your own.

        • cielo62 says:

          Sleuth~ Let me start by saying I love and respect you. Having said that, I DO think Dee Dee has some cognitive challenges and that comes from 20 years of teaching and reading people’s behaviors, NOT their language. Dee Dee had a great memory for dates and times. BUT she had great difficulty understanding abstract questions. I’ve said it before, it’s not an indication of a lack of intelligence (there are 8 kinds of native intelligences) but lacking in comprehension and abstract thought. Does it matter? OF COURSE NOT! She is brave, truthful, honest and sincere. As well as scared, intimidated and extremely frustrated. When I made my observation, it was nothing more than that. Judgements are placed by others or society. I’ve worked with children like these for decades, and I find them refreshing and open. But I think it remains that we be honest as well, to see that she needs protection and guidance even at an “adult” age of 19.


    • cielo62 says:

      faux mccoy~ not stupid but with cognitive issues. She’s a very concrete thinker which is what keeps her anchored.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        there may be a learning disability there – my 12 year old is dyslexic, but smart as a whip. you’d never know that if you just read her writing though or looked at her spelling tests.

      • Tzar says:

        She’s a very concrete thinker which is what keeps her anchored..


    • gbrbsb says:

      Faux, neither of my partners severely learning difficulty sons are “stupid” if you were referring to that which I am sure you were not but just in case as I am a fervent defender here. Indeed in India they call people with such difficulties, “People with different abilities” which better explains them than our generally more derogatory terms.

      She is not stupid as you say but iIMO she does have mild to moderate learning difficulty, and in some areas of life skills these will be less pronounced and in others more as they are as many variations as there are people.

      She has one area well developed which I love, her cheekiness and she is running rings round West because of this and because she is telling the truth. Lying requires complex thought process and she is as innocent as they come! I adore her!

      • fauxmccoy says:

        as i said to cielo – based on my own experience with a brother and daughter with a learning disability, that is something that occurs to me, but it is not a reflection of intelligence.

        • gbrbsb says:

          I couldn’t imagine you were faux and absolutely no offence meant, really.

          With your own experience, you will know only too well, that there is so much misunderstanding and lack of knowledge on this that to me it comes naturally to immediately try to dispel any I can.

          • fauxmccoy says:

            likewise — it is my tendency challenge and confront any statements which may mischaracterize a learning disability and you must know that i’m not shy.

      • cielo62 says:

        gbrbsb~ EXACTLY! You captured what I was trying to say. No guile or masks.


      • Malisha says:

        You can really tell why Trayvon chatted with her so much; she is clear-headed, fun and personable.

  216. ay2z says:

    West goal is to go after the media and the so called ‘handlers’ through the witness and Mr. Crump. And via this get back to immunity somehow sometime in the future?

  217. Mary Davis says:

    Notice how softly she speaks. She is not arrogant at all. She may have a speech disorder but she is believable and authentic.

    • Trained Observer says:

      What speech disorder?

      (People seem to be piling on because she doesn’t sound like a graduate of Vassar or Miss Porter’s school or how many of us might sound. Geez … )

      • dianetrotter says:

        She does have a lisp. It was very noticeable when BDLR questioned her. I have one too! It drives me nuts. I’m too old for people to say, “Say that again! That’s was cute!”

    • FactsFirst says:

      DeeDee’s parents are from HAITI, DeeDee was born in MIAMI!

  218. Sabrina B. says:

    Where is he going with this? Does he have her on Facebook bragging that she is going to be on TV?

  219. Sophia33 says:

    “Yes! I speak low!”

  220. amsterdam1234 says:

    How is this relevant. Time to object BdlR.

  221. KA says:

    What is the relevance of this interview and recording?

    • willisnewton says:

      It was an inquiry by the family of the slain teen to learn what happened, and then to continue to press for justice. he family by that time had lost faith in the local police and took the recording both to the media and also to the federal DoJ.

  222. MichelleO says:

    Somebody please throw a rock at West’s head. Please stop him from talking.

  223. West is not getting anywhere with her.

  224. Woow! says:

    Trayvon is smiling down on his friend because that little girl is going to send his killer to prison…yes

  225. vickie s. votaw says:

    Racheal is awesome, thank you, Jesus!

  226. Tee says:

    You can’t make an objection to your own question lol!

  227. Boyd says:

    Hello Mr. Don.

  228. She probably did not want her friends to know that she is older than they are.

    • willisnewton says:

      she may have been held back in school.

      • Trained Observer says:

        “held back” has a certain implication. She may have been out of school for any number of reasons … travel back to her mother’s homeland, illness, etc.

      • gbrbsb says:

        I think it is a bit more than that willis… but isn’t she just so sweet, and Trayvon so sweet to befriend her because from experience I can tell you that is a big problem because most so called “normal” people are not that inclined afraid of the unknown. My cousin has even been insulted in shops because people don’t know she has learning difficulties and can’t help her strange way of being and talking.

      • KittySP says:

        If I heard her correctly, her bday is Feb 1, not sure how it is in the south, but I’m in NJ, if she wasn’t 5 yr old at the time of registration for start of kindergarten in the fall, she would have to wait till next fall…so by next Feb she be turning 6.

    • FactsFirst says:

      yup especially since she’s behind in school…

      • Malisha says:

        Legally, you don’t have to start school until you’re seven in most states. That’s also possible for any number of reasons. Remember she’s known Trayvon “since kindergarten.”

    • ay2z says:

      Yes, but the held back in school thing could relate to language or her start in Haiti and the D-R. Jantelle (sp) sounds French, she may have arrived in the USA school system with French as her first language.

      • ay2z says:

        And of course, Haiti is French speaking.

      • towerflower says:

        Haiti is Creole speaking, which is based on French.

      • Dave says:

        Most Haitians speak Creole which is related to French but pretty far removed from theFrench spoken in France or Quebec.

      • Ms.X says:

        From my understanding, Haitians (French/Creole/pidgeon) & Dominicans are not sympatico. They share an island but are in denial about it. I know people from each side & they insult each other.

      • Dave says:

        I believe she said “Dominica” and somebody “corrected” her saying “Dominican Republic? ” and she mumbled something that sounded vaguely like agreement. (For the geographically challenged, Dominica and the Dominican Republic are different countries.)

    • Tee says:

      You’re right professor. & I say that west need to leave it alone I know that’s all he have but this young lady is not going to give him room to impeach her she very believable, she’s a very powerful witness, she had me in tears.

    • YES! I thought of that instantly because i failed the 3rd grade and thanked god we moved that year to GA so no one knew! and back then i was very embarrassed about it!

      i did have a pretty bad speech impediment but they were wrong about dyslexia!

  229. ay2z says:

    Poor west, what’s he speaking about, maybe he’s upset that he can’t get the witness to lie about her lie instead of telling the truth? 😉

  230. whonoze says:

    This young lady has no guile whatsoever.

    I think BDLR may be letting this run because West is digging GZ’s own grave here. The jury is probably getting glassy-eyed at this point, and will have the last line of her direct echoing in their head.

  231. Mojo says:

    “You can’t make an objection to your own question.” Where the hell did West get his law degree? Did he mail in 30 Cheerios Box tops for his diploma? I can’t believe this guy is a top defense attorney. He seems completely inept.

    • ay2z says:

      He’s finally got his first ever 1 million dollar bond. Proudly he said that to cameras when he first came onto the case.

  232. lurker says:

    I do believe that she is a sympathetic witness. She is sticking to her story and working very hard to help West understand what actually happened.

  233. Ms.X says:

    Finally an objection! How many times does she have to answer the same question? Geez Louise!

  234. amsterdam1234 says:

    You can’t make an objection to your own question.
    You can’t make this stuff up.

  235. ay2z says:

    JN to WEST.

    Quote ” You can’t make an objection to your own question.”

  236. willisnewton says:

    lol JN to west: you can’t make an objection to your own question!!!!

  237. FactsFirst says:

    JN is getting peeved at West…

    • Ms.X says:

      Yep & I have seldom seen a more patient person. Its about time she got tired of their underhanded crap. I wish I had her patience.

  238. disappointed says:

    You can’t make a speaking objection to your own question! roflmao

  239. Woow! says:

    Did he just object to his own question?

  240. Boyd says:

    this little girl knows what we all know West is a dick and hurry the F up with the questions. it took a kid to say what we all are thinking

  241. Sleuth says:

    And I’m sure those women of the jury understand why Miss Rachel felt she had to lie to Ms. Fulton.

  242. dianetrotter says:

    I don’t detect any special needs. As she continues, she is more relaxed and confident. Her sentences and phrases are making more sense.

    • willisnewton says:

      seems like a normal kid to me. And she’s credible. GZ is not. That’s the take-away.

    • cielo62 says:

      dianetrotter~ It’s there. She has difficulty processing information and analyzing it. She would rather just tell what she knows and not try any “what if” scenarios.

    • Ms.X says:

      For one, she has strange sentence phrases & very limited vocabulary. It could partially come from her family who is new to English. But she also seems like she has been in the states her whole life. She could be dyslexic or have some other kind of learning disability. I’d bet she isn’t very close to her grade level in reading ability.