Prosecution crushes defense during third day of Zimmerman trial

Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Good afternoon:

Excellent day for the prosecution with two eyewitnesses, Jane Syrdika (W-18) and Ms. Manalo (W-13’s wife) identifying the shooter as George Zimmerman and “the boy” as the person who uttered the death shriek.

Ramona Rumphy returned to the stand to complete her testimony about the defendant’s five 911 calls over a six-month period complaining about black males whom he described as suspicious.

The next witness in the box was Rachel Jeantel (AKA: Dee Dee), a badly wounded emotional tower of strength who was determined to speak the truth, no matter how painful that might be. She could not stop trembling when she took the stand. She continued to tremble for more than an hour before she settled down. She testified that she has known Trayvon since they were in elementary school. She described their relationship as close friends who have never dated each other.

No surprises in her testimony regarding the substance, if not the form, of what they said to each other regarding his contact with the defendant. For example, she said Trayvon referred to the defendant as “a creepy ass cracker” who had been staring at him during the conversation as he sheltered from the rain in the mailbox area adjacent to the clubhouse.

She said she told him to run because the guy “might be a rapist.”

Trayvon said, “Quit playing with me,” which she understood to be a request to stop freaking him out. Nevertheless, he told her he was going to try to lose the guy by “running to the back,” which appears to be the grassy area between the two buildings that contain the two-story townhomes. The call terminated unexpectedly and when she reestablished contact, he told her that the connection was broken because his headset detached from his phone while he was running. He said he thought he had gotten away from the man and he was going to proceed to Brandi Green’s townhome where he was staying.

Then he said, “the niggah is following me.” She explained that people in their age group use “niggah” when refering to another person and should not be confused with the N-word.

Then she heard Trayvon say, “Why you following me for?”

She heard a loud and authoritarian male voice demand to know, “What are you doing here?”

Then she heard some sounds that she described as “grassy noises,” followed by Trayvon yelling, “Get off, get off.”

She lost the connection at that point and was unable to reconnect with Trayvon.

She admitted that she did not attend the wake or the funeral and briefly lost her composure when she explained why she did not attend and why she lied to Sybrina about her reason for not attending. She choked up as the tears began to flow. She was unable to speak for a minute or so as she dabbed at the corners of her eyes with a tissue and struggled to regain control over her emotions. Finally, she said she could not bear to look at his dead body.

Bernie de la Rionda finished his direct examination by asking her if she could identify the person who uttered the terrified death shriek.

She said, it was Trayvon.

Don West cross examined her for about two hours with a series of tedious and forgettable questions that appeared to be designed to run out the clock so that she would have to return to court tomorrow. I say that because he did not ask a single question regarding what Trayvon said to her and we already know that the defendant admitted to the police that Trayvon asked why he was following him and the defendant responded by demanding to know why Trayvon was in the neighborhood.

The cross examination took a sadistic turn when West attempted to exploit an inconsistency between her in-court identification of Trayvon as the source of the shriek and her statement during her deposition when she said she thought it was Trayvon.

After she admitted the inconsistent statement, West asked Judge Nelson to recess the trial until tomorrow morning. When she asked him why he could not conclude his cross today, he said he had at least two more hours of questions.

When the witness heard him say that, she responded in a loud do-not-mess-with-me voice, “No, that is not going to happen.”

West laughed in her face.

Without addressing either of them, Judge Nelson declared court to be in recess until tomorrow at 9 am.

Several people in the thread have asked whether her response may have damaged her credibility.

I cannot speak for the jury, but as far as I am concerned, it did not because West deliberately exploited her emotional pain to play with her mind and provoke an angry response.

I think the jurors understand, or will understand by the end of the trial, that there is no functional difference between saying, “that sounds like Trayvon,” or “I think that’s Trayvon,” or” that is Trayvon.”

We are talking about a terrified shriek uttered by someone who has just realized that they are going to be executed. It is a protestation against the injustice and inhumanity of what is about to happen.

We have no word or phrase in our language that adequately expresses the horror Trayvon felt when he uttered that sound. Indeed, his awareness in that moment was incapable of definition or by resort to language.

Yet, he uttered a haunting and unforgettable shriek that a part of me understands leaving no uncertainty in my mind that he was protesting what was about to happen.

No one teaches others how to make that sound and there is no source we can consult to instruct us what it means or how to reproduce it.

I would call the shriek inhuman, except that I know a human made the sound.

Because the sound is unique, unambiguous, and easily understood by anyone, no matter their native language, I do not believe that anyone can positively identify a person who uttered such a shriek without considering the context of the situation that produced it.

In other words, a person must believe they are about to be executed in order to produce a sound like that. Total. Panic.

That is why people are identifying Trayvon as the source using language like “I think” or “I believe” that acknowledges the uniqueness of that sound while nevertheless knowing exactly what it means.

There is only one person who knew without doubt that death was but an instant away and it is not the person who had the gun.

There is a reason why that shriek ended with the gunshot.

The reason is the gunshot silenced the scream forever.

That is what we know, whether we knew Trayvon or not, and that is why this jury should convict the defendant of second degree murder regardless if Don West wins his sadistic little game with a grieving teenager who is avoiding the limelight while suffering through a difficult time coping with the loss of a life-long friend.

433 Responses to Prosecution crushes defense during third day of Zimmerman trial

  1. Thank you for the sensitive assessment, Fred. Rachel never wanted to be the public witness, never wanted all of this attention on her. People–white people– that don’t “understand” her are guilty of more than just cultural ignorance. They have wrapped themselves in a cocoon keeping out every unfamiliar sort of person that might wake them from their hibernation. I see the Rachel Phenomenon as a microcosm of our country’s racial divide; sadly, racism is still strong and blatant in these United States.

  2. Lonnie Starr says:

    I’ve just watched gz looking at the jurors and as far as I can see, he doesn’t like what he sees one bit. Time is now 11:02, so whatever that translates into in the subsequent videos, you can see it too.

  3. tony reay says:

    what were the pills George just took?

  4. West: “If you do the math […] to me that is……………………..19sec”

  5. West just said DD could tell TM was running from the wind.

  6. Did she said TM went to a further back area than her father’s fiance’s house?

  7. Ms.X says:

    Where is everbody this morning? I guess many stayed up late last night. Where are my neighbors Tasha, Cielo & Mr. Sykes? I guess I’ll just have to represent H-town for now. This reminds me that a couple of days ago I was posting away but everone else had already moved to a different thread 🙂

  8. Ms.X says:

    West feels like he is really scoring points-dominating. He is blinded by his arrogance. One thing I am LOVING is that every objection throws west off his game.

  9. ZCBest says:

    West is actually rehabilitating this witness without even knowing it…I am sure BLDR will get her to explain why to a 17 year-old black boy that is being watched by a creepy ass cracker is racial to her.

    It is not a good feeling to know that you are being watched by someone with no explanation and all you are doing is standing by mailboxes being black. Sounds effing racial to me!

  10. ZCBest says:

    dare i say…she lives in Miami…what’s the educational system like in the neighborhood where she lives? Probably vastly different than the school system West’s own children would have been a part of. Lack of access=lack of education=but honest as fuck. Just saying…picking on the girl who can’t read cursive just make West look like a smaller dick. Would say bigger but I can’t give him all that credit lol.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      West just stepped in it again… DD’s English is not do to culture as much as it is to the fact that she was raised speaking three languages. Stupid West! May he have eternal gas!

  11. ZCBest says:

    The bald headed dude. Sorry man.


  12. Ms.X says:

    I’m so glad that JN is tightening up on the abuse by west, because thats exactly what it is.

    If he has a problem with law enforcement allowing Crump & Jackson & Ms. Fulton, why doesn’t he go to them? What does this have to do with the price of rice in Thailand?

  13. Leisa says:

    She is doing great. I knew she would be better this morning.

  14. Big Willie says:

    I told you all a few days ago, West was putting on an act when he talks slow. Today he proves me right! West can’t talk fast enough in his efforts to throw Rachel off.

  15. Leisa says:

    Omg. May we approach? JN: No. Lmfao

  16. Puck says:

    Your honor, may we approach please?


    LOVE JN!

  17. mobjack says:

    I don’t know why people think it was such a bombshell she said she didn’t know if it was Trayvon Martin’s voice. i don’t expect anyone to know for sure unless they saw Martin in the act of screaming or are familiar with his death shrieks.

    What is telling is that she said the he had a baby voice. The jury will replay the 911 call in the deliberation and come up with their own opinion on it. It sounded like a kid screaming not a full grown adult.

  18. Leisa says:

    Can’t read cursive. What a dick West is.

    • Ms.X says:

      Probably can barely read at all. I’m about sure she is a recipient of special education services. Its sensitive to some people, but its a fact that some individuals have learning differences. I have many students who get services.

      It seems like west is WORSE today than yesterday with trying to humiliate her. Bernie needs to be viligant today. The thing is that if allowed, west will NEVER stop questioning her. There has to be some kind of limitation imposed on him.

      I also think they are trying to make DD’s testimony into a big hairy media deal to draw attention away from the gym teacher’s testimony because it was FIRE. Lets face it. She was 100% credible & unimpeachable. They are like, “move along. nothing to see here.”

  19. YQ says:


  20. YQ says:

    Thanks Professor. I admire what you said in your post abut substance vs form. Substantially what she said was honest. My parents were born in GA and AL respectiviely and I spent a great deal of my life born and raised in South FL. People like Jeantel are often misunderstood and I appreciate what support I see here. Thanks again.

  21. pat deadder says:

    This is a stupid observation but if I have to watch fogen adjust his jacket one more time I will scream. He gives me the heebee jeebees.

  22. Surrealdreamer says:

    West has such a boner for Crump that he will do anything, destroy anyone and I am now convinced he is working closely with Sundance.

    I use to be able to post on the conservative Nut house because I played stupid but got kicked off when I pointed out the racism of these people and then on their prayer request page, I posted a prayer request for Sundance and his followers that God please heal their hateful hearts and help them see through their racism. I guess that pissed them off so they banned me

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      If the SPD weren’t so corrupt, Crump could have told her to call police. He became involved because he had to. This is stupid.

  23. ZCBest says:

    Dear Joe Pesci,

    Please be a fence around Rachel Jeantel today. May her testimony be clear, and a straight dagger through the heart of Fogen and his clansmen. May she keep her calm but stand firm on her word. May she not balk but rather respond with the truth, for it is the weapon that the defense lacks.

    Thank you and good morning.


  24. tony reay says:

    as the current defensive debacle continues unabated towards it’s inevitable “guilty” conclusion, does anyone think that there’s a tipping point when Shelley tries to cut a deal with the State and offers to roll over on George (not a pretty picture) – and, if so, will the State need/choose to take it?

    • jm says:

      Shellie is not rolling anywhere away from GZ. She is a large part (no pun intended) of the dysfunctional Zimmerman family and to some degree enjoys the fame and racist support, but especially the free money from the Zimmermann beg site that keeps her fat azz from having to work at a real job, which apparently she was not doing prior to the murder of Trayvon.

      • Leisa says:

        Had not worked for about 4 years even though they were evicted from last home and not paying rent at this one. Real piece of work.

    • Leisa says:

      Don’t believe she will ever turn on her pos husband. She was the driving force behind much of what he did and as you heard on the nen calls he made. She was often the instigator IMO. She is a bigger liar than he is and will never jump this ship.

    • Cercando Luce says:

      The State may not need her.

  25. Deborah Moore says:

    Good Morning Seekers of Justice,
    I had a hard time sleeping last night. Every time I closed my eyes, I could see Rachel on the stand, shaking, so upset. What are the chances she has an easier time today? Not much, I suspect.

    • Leisa says:

      I believe she will walk in to court today with a better handle on West and how he tried to trip her up. We all hope she slept well and is better able to deal with her emotions. I think testifying early in the day will also be better for her as opposed to the end of what had to be one of the longest days of her life.


  26. Surrealdreamer says:

    I feel terribly bad for Rachel. I think that West is a disgusting Human being but what is even more disgusting is what the NUT HOUSE is claiming. On their opening page for the day this is their quote….

    “Today, June 27th, is DAY #14 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. Yesterday Witness #8, Rachael Jeantel, did indeed take the stand. She will be back today to complete her testimony. This is the state’s key, and most important witness. This is also the witness we have exhaustively researched. Having quietly followed her social media, and having talked extensively, to her school classmates for over a year.”

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      Again, if true, this shows the lengths the defense have gone thru to discredit this girl because her testimony alone could convict George Zimmerman. She is a near eyewitness to the fact that George Zimmerman lied when he said he had stopped following Martin and only utterered five words, ” I don’t have a problem” when in fact we know he uttered at least six aggressive words, “What are you doing around here?”

    • Rachael says:

      Oh, there are some really briliant minds over there (NOT). L

      “You think West will ask Janteal what Trayvon told her about HOW HE GOT TO SANFORD?”

      Is he/she serious? I mean have they not been following? If they wanted to know how he got there, they’d have asked already – but why would they? It had nothing to do with Rachel’s phone call that night.

      Again I ask, have they not been following this trial? Today they are going to try to impeach her testimony from yesterday. God, the brilliance from that house of refuse is blinding.

      These people vote and carry guns? It is terrifying. Yesterday when their leader was on a manic high, posting 3+ times a day with paranoid stories that almost sounded like bomb threats (all these things that were going to “blow” this away, up, out of the water, etc.) he was feeling sorry for Rachel because she was being held hostage by the evil scheme team and he wanted to run in there and rescue her and they all went on and on about how they felt sorry for her, poor thing, they were praying, etc. Now that he’s changed his mind, they are all back to trashing her.

      They are some scary sheeyit.

    • aussie says:

      I wonder whose classmates they spoke to for over a year? considering they thought there were at least 2 DeeDees ( maybe as many as four) and the one(s) they found social media for were all someone else.

      Sundance lost it long ago.

  27. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Rachael, I admire your honesty and the strength you have displayed:

    Sail on silver girl, sail on by.
    Your time has come to shine.
    All your dreams are on their way.
    See how they shine!

    Oh, if you need a friend
    I’m sailing right behind.

    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will ease your mind.
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will ease your mind.

  28. Tee says:

    Dee Dee have been prepped after yesterday’s testimony, I know BDLR has showed her how West was trying to twist her. If he think he had hell yesterday watch how she spank him today she’s going to be ready. Where we are from we don’t know how to loose, we speak our minds and our women are strong, black, unyielding, and we don’t break we carry the world on our shoulders. I’m proud to be in her company!

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      All education levels, all socioecomic levels, all sizes, all shapes, all colors GIRLS ROCK. Rachsl will stand strong and those women on that jury will send George Zimmerman to prison. I feel it in my stomach. Guy was right it’s only the beginning of day four and there can be no doubt, George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because he wanted to.


    • chi1224 says:

      Tee she wasn’t allowed to talk to any of the lawyers after she left since she is still considered to be “on the stand”, but I agree with you that she will come back with a renewed sense of strength today. She has been the star witness in this case with her raw honesty and courage under fire. There is NOTHING the defense can do, her honesty is loud and clear. If West tries to bully her again the jury will start to hate him. She is the star witness in this trial and she is doing an awesome job!

      • Leisa says:

        Someone said she has her own lawyer and I believe she was permitted to speak to her attorney and should be better prepared for West today. Now she knows how he will come at her and I believe she will be even stronger on the stand today.

        I just pray that if this does not result in a Fogen conviction, she will not blame herself. Poor kid feels guilty for not being able to do anything for her friend that night and I hope someone helps her to understand that nothing was going to deter the killer.

        My heart aches for her and I don’t know how Trayvon’s parents are able to sit there showing such courage and grace. I would not be able to do so well.


        • chi1224 says:

          Thanks Leisa I didn’t know she had her own attorney, I’m glad about that and you are right she would be allowed to speak to her own attorney.
          I do not see how this could NOT end in a conviction unless there is a true stealth racist on the jury, which I pray there is not… but I still feel for Rachael and all of Trayvon’s family… I too would not be able to keep it as classy as they have.
          Hoodies up here too!

    • ZCBest says:


      “Where we are from we don’t know how to loose, we speak our minds and our women are strong, black, unyielding, and we don’t break we carry the world on our shoulders. I’m proud to be in her company!”

      Cheers to that!!!

  29. tashatexas77048 says:

    Excuse the American Idol “cheese” but here is my favorite Angie Miller and a song dedicated to witness Rachel as we send her good wishes and understand.that its okay not to fit the mold.

  30. nocamo33 says:

    I agree 100% and appreciate your insight when describing the death shriek. I also found her description of the man who she heard confront Trayvon as being out of breath as being very impactful (word?) and credible. She also included phrases that might “look” bad (“cracker””niggah”). This fact tells me she is willing to tell the truth and puts that in front of trying to look good. I find her very credible and believable. How Zimmerman can sit in that courtroom and witness the pain by Trayvon’s family and friends is beyond me. I for one truly felt her pain and distress and it broke my heart and clearly was felt by Tracy. I see now why OM did not want the family in court.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      The jurors don’t “hear” what we “hear” because we know too much more than they do. But one thing that has become abundantly clear to them is, there is no problem distinguishing between the voices of gz and Trayvon. Trayvon sounds like a kid and gz sounds like an adult, so that’s pretty simple and I’ll bet that’s what they’ve picked up so far.

      There must be some rule whereby JN can cut off West’s attempt to drive Rachel from the court so he can have her testimony stricken.

      • jm says:

        Don’t you think Judge Nelson is on to West? I don’t believe I have ever seen such disrespect and maybe even contempt from a judge to an attorney as Judge Nelson showed to West yesterday and I hope the jurors took note of what she thought of West and his tactics.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          West is keeping DD on the stand waaaay too long. If he gets anything on account of a witness misstatement, he’ll have nothing at all. Since the longer you keep nagging and nagging and nagging a witness about minutia the more opportunities there are to obtain conflicts.

          Where we are now my guess is the jurors expect her to start making slips and mistakes if only from irritation. She’s still grieving for her close friend of many years, West is being obnoxious, unfeeling and calloused towards her.

          DD is becoming combative, good, go girl!!! Should West keep her on the stand for another hour or so the defense can just forget about this case, gz will be done! Small prize, since his goose has been in the over for days.

      • nocamo33 says:

        I think (hope) we will all be pleasantly surprised by the wisdom and insight of this jury.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I’m watching day 8 with the dna guy. West is going on about dna degrading rapidly when wet. So the mildew smell of Trayvon’s hoodie is his focus. He doesn’t remember reading in the evidence that when Tracey let him pick those clothing in the garage, they smelled of mildew and probably mothballs as well.

          All that screaming and kicking about discovery and then they don’t even read or look over what they get! SMH

          • nocamo33 says:

            For some reason, they remind me of gremlins just bent on wreaking havoc. No order or purpose about them, other than the fame and potential glory.

  31. Jun says:

    I think Rachel put through a simple point yesterday

    “I Though It Should Have Been Case Closed Already, I mean they got the guy who killed him, did they not?”

    Not exact words though LOL

  32. Tee says:

    I loved when she said that Trayvon had a soft baby voice, it was the first time it had been mentioned. HLN, posted it soon after, I would hope that the prosecutor expound upon that fact because West sure was pushing that lie yesterday that Trayvon had a deep voice.

  33. Tzar says:

    Dee Dee said some very important things today.

    1. Trayvon said “oh shit” as he tried to get away again as Zimmerman came upon him for the second time. So he was the one surprised and ambushed by Zimmerman.

    2. Trayvon had a “baby voice”. This thrashes West claim that Trayvon could have had the deeper voice.

  34. Jun says:

    I can understand her frustration

    Imma be real, West, gives me a fucking headache

    I hate listening to that muthafucka talk and looking at him

    He wastes so much time, repeating the same thing over and over and over

    • tonydphotog says:

      West is a condescending, a##hole, racist who doesn’t play fair.

      Because the defense has nothing, he’s trying to impeach every witness on minor discrepancies.

      I noticed a twinkle in his eye a few times when he felt he manipulated the witness. Especially, when he claimed there’s at least 2 more hours of cross-examination for Rachel. He’s so full of crap!

      It was almost funny how Rachel suddenly switched from sweet, to annoyed. West must have worked her last nerve,and then some, at her deposition. I could tell immediately that she didn’t like him at all.

      Can you blame her? All this BS on trivial, non-important things. He knows fogen is guilty, which is why he’s not really focusing on the real issues.

      They have nothing!!! Nothing at all!!! But at least we know they don’t have a paycheck, either. 🙂

      • Jun says:

        Is there an objection to the defense being ridiculous?

        I honestly believe to save the judge, jury, and witness sanity, and the the whole world, is to object him on relevance or ridiculousness

        • ic2fools says:

          Jun I see what you are saying, no objecting, west ends up rambling in circles ending up confusing themselves.

          Did you see yesterday when West objected to his own question? JN told him that he couldn’t object to his own question. He looked like an idiot.

      • boyd says:

        maybe Rachel’s vocal objections will wake the courtroom up.

        I’m sick and tired of it and in the back of my mind I wonder if they want 5 jurors to quit for financial hardship, or tired lapse in judgement. every move they make is for more time.

    • boyd says:

      I think her testimony will stand and I think somehow people will only regard her testimony about the phone call. That’s what t’s about… Not Crump or what she said to crump. my god they threw her in a freaking closet, she may be homeless, because her mom is in Haiti. I’m tired of the assholes trying to imply everyone’s lying and have no regard for people’s lives. That young girl said they cancelled her deposition and a second time did not finish it. They believe they have the right to control people’s lives. this sequestration Jury with West going on and on and on. It could take 2 full months, If you go broke they could not care less.

      The Judge is getting a headache DAILY and Rachel’s still in High School. I predict No impeach

      • Jun says:

        I think the main reason no one objects is probably the jury, the judge, the state, all get bored to death and get a headache when he goes on, that it is usually better to just tune him out

  35. SearchingMind says:

    “Are you listening?!”

    Don West’s goal was/is single and simple: Impeach Dee Dee.

    West, an attorney with dozens of year of legal experience tried – for over 2hrs – to achieve this one, simple goal. His opponent is a 19 year old daughter of migrants of South American origin. Her name is Dee Dee. Dee Dee’s first language is NOT English.

    Dee Dee demonstrated to West that she is smart; that she is confident; that she remembers events well and can relay them coherently; that she is a “straight talker” and says it as it is, and is neither pretentious nor presumptuous; that she is not- and cannot be intimidated by him (West) or any other person. Dee Dee started with “good afternoon, Don”. West was taken aback. And the fight started.

    For over 2hrs West was all over the mag with Dee Dee. And for over 2hrs this 19year old owned West. West got nowhere with Dee Dee. All West wanted an “impeachment”. But Dee Dee won’t give it to him. As the drama unfolded, it seemed that the veteran attorney West does not even understand what “impeachment” means and how to impeach, for, to get an impeachment, West needed two material statements that are OPPOSITES of each other and made under oath. Statements that are NOT mutually exclusive cannot lead to impeachment. No such statements exists in Dee Dee’s testimony. West tried other tactics in an effort to get Dee Dee confused, confuse the subject matters and make damaging statements, but he ultimately failed. Dee Dee owned West.

    So, here we are now: West won’t admit that he has been beaten by a 19 year old girl. West can’t believe what happened and wants another round of fight. He requested one and got it. I saw the big relief on West and O’Mara’s faces after Judge Nelson determined that the testimony would continue the following day. Dee Dee has been portrayed as a dunce by Jeralyn Merritt and jackals at the CTH. They claimed that Dee Dee is damaging to the State and will not dare show up. O’Mara and West has promised to deliver Dee Dee’s head on a silver platter if she dares take the stand. But behold, show up she did. And she turned the tables on them.

    Today, Dee Dee will finish her testimony. I do not worry about her abilities. I admit that she out performed my ill-informed expectations of her yesterday, (sometimes Dee Dee even took over from West reminding him that he got the dates wrong, etc). I am very happy with the news from Whonoze that Dee Dee has legal representation. All Dee Dee needs now is to just remain calm, answer questions and not let West get her angry – until she leaves the Court house. Her attorney, I am sure, will see to that.

    There is nothing to impeach and West won’t get his impeachment. West got beaten yesterday. West will be beaten again today – By A Girl.

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      Exactly. And if Zimmerman following Martin wasn’t so damning this would not be the only witness they’ve grilled for this long.

      • Jun says:

        They grilled every witness, longer than necessary, and got nowhere

        Besides, it is pretty much common knowledge Fogen stalked Trayvon, the murderer admits it himself

        DD is supported by other witnesses on scene

        Selene with the south to north chase

        The asian lady and w18 confirming to the jury that they are hearing a kid screaming for help and yelping and that Fogen started the confrontation

        The asian lady, no matter what Omara says, knows what Fogen looks like, therefore, she can say for sure, it is Fogen

        Omara simply made the jury even more sympathetic because they now realize, Trayvon, really was just a kid

        West did not shake up w18 and she stood firm to her oath as to what she saw, and her testimony matches the Azn lady and the forensic evidence which will be introduced

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        No Jun, the defense feels they must impeach this witness because she provides direct evidence that Zimmerman follwed and confronted Martin thereby wiping his self defense claim completely out and almost forcing him to take the stand because Rachel witnessed this from the beginning, unlike all of the other witnesses.

      • Jun says:

        In this case, it’s so clear cut, Fogen gang has to discredit every witness, since all of them saw or heard a piece of the whole picture and their testimony fits together as one big picture

        Yes they will try to impeach her but her testimony is supported by

        1) Fogen’s own NEN phone call

        2) Selene, Asian Lady, and w18

        3) Forensic Evidence collected by CSI tech Diana Smith

        4) the preceding 911 and NEN phone calls of Fogen

        5) HOA president says his presence was not necessary or wanted

        6) It’s fact he killed Trayvon

        7) The 911 scream recording

        One supports the other, it’s like a checkmate in chess

        IMO, the most damning is w18 and the forensics, Fogen’s own NEN phone call… she is one of the keys that holds the whole thing together

        Sit and think about it, because this is not a one piece evidence case, it’s bits and pieces put together for the checkmate

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        Remember Guy told us that no one saw this from beginning to end but rather beginning, middle and end and piecing it together we will come to the chilling conclusion that Fogen killed Tray because he wanted to. Rachel is our only glimpse of the beginning and proof that Zimmerman started this and still killed that boy leaves no room for reasonable doubt.

      • Jun says:

        I dont think you understand my point, so please sit and think how it all connects and how it all supports each other as a big picture

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        I understand your point, you don’t understand mine. The sheer weight that the defense has placed on Rachel shows how important THEY THINK her testimony is. When you ponder on the reasons why they would give this much weight to her testimony then what I’m saying will make more sense to you. Their ability to impeach her does not doom the states case but it allows reasonable doubt to seap in if the jurors are forced to accept Fogens narrative of how it started.

      • Malisha says:

        Fogen’s narrative of HOW IT STARTED is already in evidence and there is nothing he can do to change it and he cannot force anybody to accept a different version of how it started.

        HIS OWN WORDS are the narrative of how it started.

        Brrrrrrring brrrrrring brrrrrrrring.

        “Hello this is Sean … etc.”

        “Hi, there have been a lot of break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a rea suspicious guy…”

        The NEN call is the NARRATIVE of HOW IT STARTED.

    • boyd says:

      Still there seems to be something illegal about all this. I’m betting she is LD and she’s still a high school student.

      how can they expect her to behave and process some things like an adult? I thought LD people had protections.

      And Please never mention Merritt again. She’s does not have the brains to recognize LD people

      • Jun says:

        She’s not learning disabled

        I watched her on a good video copy version and she sounds fine to me

      • boyd says:

        My youngest son is LD. I think she is too. to stay focused for so long dealing with West is not right. Making her read stuff, asking her if she was done, that’s bullshit.

        BDLR needs to object to people reading transcripts in the courtroom. if you’re reading comprehension is poor for any reason such as english not your first language,.

      • Malisha says:

        Jeralyn has brains.
        She is corrupted somehow.
        To tell the truth I can’t guess what’s wrong with her.
        But somepin is.

    • Rachael says:

      He got beaten by girls all day yesterday. He thought all those girls would be weak and he could bully them, especially if he talked to them long enough. I don’t think the Judge will let it go on forever today, if for no reason other than sympathy for West because he’s looking real stupid.

  36. dianetrotter says:

    How can OS run a headline saying Rachel admitted that the scream was not Trayvon? I don’t get it.

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      That is a stupid storyline as she didn’t hear screams before the call hung up. And certainly it could have been someone else because Rachel assumed there was a fight because common sense says if she didn’t hear the gun shot on the phone then Martin was not shot immediately and likely fought for his life. However, no neighbors saw a fight but rather a brief struggle.

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        I am very curious about Fogens texts and emails after the murder. Fogen may have revealed some additional motive for killing Tray because Fogen knew that the 2/2/12 burglar had been caught. However, for some reason he abandoned all NHW protocol in his handling of Trayvon. Was it solely because of recent burglaries and his frustration about it? We shall see.

    • boyd says:

      they are extremely biased. West tried to trick her, into saying that. she caught it and said ‘NO’ it sounds like Trayvon.
      How low can you go attempting to trick a 19 year old LD High school student by taking in circles.

      she’s has been talking to West for over 8 hours now including the deposition. complete nonsense.

      If I lived there I’d never read that paper.

    • Jun says:

      Rene Stutzman is a hack that’s why

      We all heard her repeatedly say

      It sounds like Trayvon

      It matches his voice

      it could be Trayvon

      It is Trayvon

      I dont know where exactly she said it was not, but, she’s a fucking idiot

    • SearchingMind says:

      Jurors won’t read OS until after the trial. Its funny how O’Mara’s disingenuous Motion for sequestration is now working against him.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      We have to remember that many newspapers make their money by playing to the biases of the majority of their subscribers.

      That said, it is an indictment of the majority population of Sanford.

    • chi1224 says:

      I refuse to read that trash rag anymore and I am glad the jury can’t see it either. I’ve known for a long time that the Orlando Sent is pro-Fogen with racist writers who slant and even outright lie in their articles.

    • Malisha says:

      They can run a headline saying Elvis Presley will testify next and will prove the defense’s case. It doesn’t matter.

  37. tashatexas77048 says:

    What are the chances that Zimmerman, who was close enough to see the button on.Martins shirt, and Martin, who was close enough to Fogens truck to notice he was not black, actually heard Trayvon call him a “cracka?” I noticed the defense and Fogen turned pale white when Rachel said this and it’s remarkable that up until this point West has not brought it up. What if there is a text from Fogdn using the words “creepy cracka.” It just struck me that they were so taken aback by it. I really think BDLR should have asked her where she thought Martin was in relationship to Fogen when he said that. He should have asked did he say that near the beginning, middle or end of the call. I submit to you right now that Zimmerman watched Martin for some time before even calling police and this comment from Tray may have helped trigger him to call the NEN and purposely mislead them with the wrong clubhouse address, add false details to the call and force Martin into a confrontation.

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      Martin was both creeped out and pissed off as anyone would be. Sensing Martin’s outward. frustration of being followed made Zimmerman become even more aggressive and he made sure Martin knew he was being followed. He fully expected Martin to approach his car so he could shoot him dead there but Martin ran and he was pissed at Martin / and could have been well aware of the fact that Martin could have called in and reported a strange man following him in his car. My point is that the malice and evil intent dripped from Zimmerman’s phone call and it is certainly possible that hearing what Martin said sent him into a murderous rage because he definitely killed that young boy as he screamed.

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        I hate to be duplicitous in my posts but it just struck me that Fogen MADE SURE Trayvon knew he was being followed. That’s why it was so creepy. Usually stalking involves being covert but Fogen was very overt in his behavior and then failed to tell. the boy WHY. What was the purpose of this behavior other than an attempt to provoke a negative response from Martin? George Zimmerman played a sinister cat and mouse game with his younger and more inexperienced prey, ironically, the same thing West is doing to Rachel.

      • Malisha says:

        My opinion: 99.9999999% sure Fogen heard NOTHING from Trayvon’s phone conversation. He was in his own truck in his own world setting up the scene (he was writer, director and producer as well as stage manager, remember) that was gonna make him a hero and solve all his problems, and he was filled with adrenalin getting ready for the BIG RACE. He knew ahead of time that he would win because he had a loaded gun. He was not angry at being called a cracker; he was preparing for a fox-hunt and he was mounting his trusty steed.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I don’t think fogen heard Trayvon say he was a cracker. Tray wouldn’t have been talking loudly enough for fogen to hear that. Remember he was very soft spoken

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        I don’t see why he would necessarily whisper it. Just like Fogen made it known he was following Tray, Tray likely also made it known that he was aware he was being followed. He could have flipped him the bird or anything but I believe that in addition to his frustration with burglars Tray did something BEFORE he was confronted by Zimmerman to further enrage Zimmerman towards him. Trayvon certainly didn’t attempt to kill Zimmerman because DNA doesn’t lie but there is clear malice toward Martin even today and it could be because of some words or gesture Martin made while Zimmerman was in his truck.

    • boyd says:

      yes you are right, you would think he did watch him for some time BEFORE CALLING POLICE.
      and non one can ask him this for he has not talked, he’d lie anyway.

      I always wondered that, since GZ was on RVC , heading out to target, when did he see him and when did he call 911.

      I bet that creep drove 5 mph miles behind him for a long time.
      I’m 57 and I would have said the same thing. some creepy white dude is following me,

      I always believed TM ran for the dogwalk because no car could get there. The “oh shit, the nigga still behind me” is GZ out of the car approaching him.

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        When I put this theory on the debate politics forum one said “no he would have reported that to dispatch.” No he wouldn’t have because then it’s more clear that his reasons for killing bc Martin were directly personal. So if he heard Martin call him a cracka he would leave that out of the call to the NEN for sure.

    • SearchingMind says:

      “Trayvon was in the mail area” when he noticed a “creepy ass cracker” watching him. At that moment, that “creepy ass cracker” was still in his car with windows rolled up as it was raining (GZ testified to this). What GZ might, and I mean just might have heard is: “shit, this ‘(insert the N-word)’ is behind me!”. I am not worried about that at all because GZ acted in all reasonability like “creepy rapist”. The truth in this kind of situation is always raw (and heart wrenching). Dee Dee talked ‘raw’. She gave it to them as it happened. And average individuals would have reacted as Trayvon did in Dee Dee’s words. That’s a big plus to Dee Dee’s credibility. Frankly, if I were Trayvon, I would have aimed my firearm at GZ, order him to walk away or I shoot. Unlike me, Trayvon wasn’t even allowed to bear arms – being a minor.

    • Jun says:


      If Trayvon yelled out “Creepy Ass Crackah”, it would have been recorded on the NEN phone call.

  38. dianetrotter says:

    I don’t remember who said the lawyers don’t care about the clients but, neither do all of these people who are championing GZ’s cause. It is an opportunity for racists to rally and spew ignorance and hatred.

    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

      It disturbs me that a grown man would kill a child who was minding his own business, and have no remorse, no feelings, no conscious, and blame the child for his own death. What really tops the cake for me is that other adults are in agreement with him and are cheering for him like it’s some type of gladiator game. Trayvon’s life doesn’t count.

      I know that history repeats itself, but so does social and human behavior, and all three are linked together like a chained fence. It’s like an old dress with added accessories to make it look new, but like the word says, “There is nothing new under the sun.” Once one person does something bad, a copycat follows, before you know it, it spreads like a wildfire.

      It bothers me when people do bad things to children.

  39. tony reay says:

    anyone know if there’s footage anywhere of the announcement by the judge about allowing the tape testimony in? I’m just interested in the defense reaction.

    • There isn’t much to see or hear. She walked in at 9 am sharp and announced that the defense objection to playing the recorded 911 calls “is overruled.”

      She did not give a reason and is not required to do so.

      • PiranhaMom says:

        @Professor Fred,

        Did you and everyone notice the first break that Judge Debra called in DeeDee’s testimony, everybody stood up and sort of shook their muscles free (I think they were immobilized and mesmerized by DeeDee), including the court reporter – and EVERYBODY’S eyes swiveled over to Zimmerman, casting scorching glances of horror.

        Zimmerman truly is a monster.

        After the revelation and replay of his many messages to 911 harassing his neighbors – which illustrates his M.O. – they then heard DeeDee’s dramatic testimony of the diabolical tracking down of “Trayvon the quarry.”

        And then his horrifying death.

        They STARED at that monster! In horror!

      • chi1224 says:

        @ PiranhaMom…
        Well said!! He is a monster and it’s coming out loud and clear.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          That is exactly why West made sure to say in his opening statement that “There are no monsters here”, but I think the jury is beginning to think otherwise.

          By now they have a good idea that no fight started at the “T”, and that gz was far south of the north walkway and running. In short, his goose is being cooked, soon it will be time for Bernie to baste it.

      • aussie says:

        I like how they’re using witnesses to establish it was Trayvon screaming…. so by the time they play that tape for the jury they’ll just be horrified. And ready to convict.

  40. tashatexas77048 says:

    It is 1:58am as I lie here on a hot night in Houston, Texas and weep after reading this entry. Thank you professor and God bless you.

    • MrSykes says:

      Hey a fellow Houstonian. Yeah it’s been a scorcher lately. Not looking forward to the rest of the week. I know where I’ll be though. In my air-conditioned apt keeping up with the trial. Professor has nailed it, and I think Rachel is going to come off as incredibly sympathetic and brutally-honest by the end, even through all her pain.

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        Hello neighbor! Rachel, attitude and all, is still likeable and most importantly, believable.

  41. Jun says:

    No one has to agree with me, and I believe the ladies on the jury and the judge are smart enough to see through West’s bullshit

    But I find his claim that because Trayvon was shot in the chest, it’s impossible for Fogen to be on top, to be utterly ridiculous and I feel the female witness 18 felt the same way hence her saying “I can only testify as to what i saw”

    Just because Trayvon was shot in the chest, it certainly can be a possibility that Fogen was on top of Trayvon, when he shot him… Fogen could have easily been on top, did the murder, and then rolled the body over

    Instead West tries to proclaim some acrobatic Jackie Chan move on the ground that makes no physically sense in terms of physics, biology, and science which is just as bad as his knock knock joke

    Hypothetically speaking, if I was one of the female jurors, I would be insulted by West trying to treat me and the other females on the jury, and the witness, as if they were stupid

    It’s already bad enough that West, once the crime scene tech came in, and the photos, West already looked like a big fat liar

    I also feel that her and Manolo were believable, and the jury already heard the 911 scream tape, and the witness saying “it sounded like a boy” will linger in jurors minds… the jury also already heard Fogen’s voice on the numerous phone calls he made, and I believe it makes w18 more credible because it does indeed sound “like a boy”

    West’s ridiculous nonsense about “it sounds like, it is, it could be” is so fucking stupid

    • tashatexas77048 says:

      What the jury will understand is that Zimmerman’s version of what happened before he pulled that trigger cannot be true. Trayvon may have been on top but it was not because he bashed the murderer’s head on concrete and no amount of wordplay will place Martin on that sidewalk that West has mentioned several times.

    • No one has to agree with me, and I believe the ladies on the jury and the judge are smart enough to see through West’s bullshit

      I agree.

    • LeaNder says:

      Jun, what are you doing when the ladies jury has at least partially a similar impression as Jeralyn Merritt, who already prophesied that DD would never show up, now finds her on the stand as even the better option:

      She’s belligerent, she thinks she’s “the boss” and can run the show. I don’t know how Don West kept a straight face when, after denying something a few times and then agreeing West was right and she was wrong, she started yelling at him, “You can go, you can go, you can go” as if giving him permission to continue asking questions. West was dumfounded by her behavior, which made her keep yelling “you can go, you can go now.) Tracy Martin put his head in his hands at that. (At one point later, Mr. Martin was laughing as if in disbelief of her antics.)West patiently explained to her that sometimes his brain requires a few moments to formulate a question.

      • LeaNder says:

        What was this good for anyway? Apart from hints for the audience that something with Trayvon wasn’t quite right? First, she was obviously completely unable to store all the numbers. what reason could there be to read the diverse times into the transcript, I cannot see one. Irritate the jury, so they realized there are many things they do not know?

        Then there were her loud and impatient “Yes”‘s when Don West was reading the times of the phone calls between her and Martin as if she couldn’t be more bored.

        How could any serious person be anything but bored. Remember he gave her the numbers on a sheet of paper, and she realized that it only contained a selection, starting at 5 p.m.

        To insinuate to the jury that Trayvon moved slowly, maybe even stopped? How could she really know where exactly he stopped, she had no visual clues to connect his words with images. That she told him,, I have never been there.

        She has to remain calm get into his slow rhythm observe him carefully.

        Our impressions are not important these ladies may not like him, but he may well get some insinuations into their heads.

        I have not really calmed down. They need and want to take her down. Does anyone doubt that?

      • Jun says:

        I dont know where she got that, but at the same time, I feel Jeralyn Merritt is a delusional weirdo profiteering as a lawyer and has since gone nuts since the Fogen trial

        I dont see where she admitted she was wrong and it sounded moreso like West was intentionally trying to be confusing

        • LeaNder says:

          Yes, true, but she needed a while and was tricked into agreeing and admitting till she realized it was all again about “the issue” her voice. Unfortunately here not even the clerk understood and she was so irritated that she did not repeat it for her. How could any of the ladies have noticed. That clerk clearly has trained ears. And “the issue”, as they allude to it, her voice thus will mainly remain an insider issue.

          Let’s see how it will work out tomorow. is it just they all cannot or is it more they do not want to understand her? Can we call the voice experts back to support her? Dr. French. Or do we need a AA vernacular American translator?

          DD: What? Can I see it?

          West: Sure.

          West walks over and directs her attention on the transcript.

          West: I am referring to, again, to line 15 says. “Play it again”, and we played a portion of the audio. And I said to you, is that what you said. And your answer was yes, if I said in the recording, that’s what I said. And I said, on the recording, do you say the man is like “What are you talking about”. And your answer was, yes I did say that. Do you remember that?

          She is clearly irritated, and reads the transcript and does not immediately answer. Then erects herself away from the document and only makes a couple of sounds that suggest to me she does not quite understand what is going on, as if starting to say something but never quite getting there.

          West: Do you acknowledge that those were your answers to the questions we just read.

          Hesitatingly she finally answers, the gesture with her hand, almost not perceptible signal resignation to me. She does not quite understand what it is happening, she probably did not quite understand then.

          DD: It might have been, cause we had the same issue, my voice so.(here the clerk does not understand, probably no one else did get that, she does not repeat it for her, so it won’t be in the transcript) Might have been. Might have been, yes.

          Nelson?: Speak in the microphone please.

          West: So is that your answer or not.

          DD: (hesitation) Yes.

          West: So what you are saying is, indeed what you told Mr. Crump in this recorded interview that what George Zimmerman said in response to him saying: What are you following me for? Why are you following me? George Zimmerman said: What are you talking about.

          DD: Oh that’s what you are talking about? No!

          Pretty much everything he said was suggestive.

        • LeaNder says:

          Oh, I just realized. Bernie de la Rionda will translate for the ladies, what DD means with rushed through the interview with Crump.

          Remember speak loudly and s l o w ly please pronounce all the syllables and don’t drop a few, due to haste.

      • RobUK says:

        Out of all the depraved scum that support Zimmerman, Jeralyn Merritt is the very worst of them in my opinion. She generally “talks left”, unless it’s a case that involves a gun, a claim of self-defense and a dead black kid (who she clearly feels no empathy or compassion for) in which case her site becomes “Talk Right”, where she hides behind the excuse of having a “pro defense prospective” to justify her support of the killer.

        Right-wingers whole worldview is based upon magical thinking. They “create their own reality” – see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, believe what they want to believe, ignore any evidence that conflicts with their hateful ideology and see everything through the warped prism of their virulent racism.

        Jeralyn Merritt however, demonstrates that she is capable of evidence based thinking, perceiving objective reality and being rational when it comes to other issues on her site and that’s what makes her the worst of all the prominent Zimmerman supporters. Unlike them, she doesn’t generally live in a delusional fantasy world. She actually knows better, but has chosen to support him anyway. I doubt very much she would so ardently support Zimmerman if it had been a white kid that had been hunted down and murdered. She clearly considers Trayvon worthless. She sickens me.

      • aussie says:

        I suspect the “what are you talking about” may have been HER asking HIM what he was on about, not her saying that’s what she heard GZ saying. His questions are so convoluted, you have to parse them and pull them apart three times to understand what he’s trying to ask.

        He really IS the secret weapon. First he confuses the witness. So they answer wrong. Then he’ll claim in summing up that the witness said XYZ, and the jury will be so confused they’ll recall the witness having said that, but not recall what question it was the answer to.

        Hopefully, Bernie will redirect her to clear up these points.

        • LeaNder says:

          I doubt Bernie can save very much. Defense surely did their job well. I read about the rumors about the meaning of the list of phone calls. Maybe we will hear even more about that.

      • Malisha says:

        Jeralyn has taken leave of her senses. If she was defending a client and she questioned a prosecution witness (who presented like Rachel) like this, I would understand why she would choose to blog politics rather than stay in the ring in criminal defense work. All she has ever had in her “arsenal” is scorn for a murdered AA kid, veiled threats to his parents that his badness would be “exposed” if they dared to try to have his murderer brought to justice, total fawning sick “high school crush” type oogly-eyed admiration for a dumb, lying murderer, and flirtatious fake intellectualism with racist thugs. Dump button.

    • PiranhaMom says:


      “Slim” Trayvon was so lean he could have been rolled over like a toothpick. During Zimmerman’s on-site re-creation for Serino et al the next day, Serino interjected “flipped him over,” and Zimmerman agreed.

      It’s outrageous that West tried to write scripts for the witnesses. They saw what they saw — Zimmerman on top — not what suits West best to protect that despicable monster, fogen.

  42. whonoze says:

    Folks, Rachel most likely went into her closet in an attempt to reduce the room echo in her audio interview with Mr. Crump. It’s too bad Crump didn’t have a closet to enter as well, as he might have gotten a better recording that way. As I wrote earlier, they’re going to need the full audio recording to counter West’s attempt to impeach her on the “like ‘what you doin’ round here'” / “what you followin me for” alleged discrepancy, arising from the ABC fragment.

  43. Big Willie says:

    If Mr. Crump’s interview meant nothing to “Ms. JeanTell it Like it is”.. . Isn’t that proof Atty Crump did not prep or coach her on what to say.

    Also, I’m not hearing any of the witnesses saying Trayvon sat up, moved nor did anyone say they saw Foggen trying to restrain Trayvon after the shot. Why isn’t BDLR asking the witnesses about this? I think it’s time to start exposing Foggen’s lies.

    • ay2z says:

      Like he coached her to go in a closet and tuck herself away. She did not want to do this and should never have been interviewed that way.

      West shed his fake-ass dumb joke skin today to attack a young woman who was alone out there on the stand.

      Hope RJ has some help to settle herself tonight and nail that b** with her collected and calm answers in his face tomorrow. She has a speech problem, and hope she can rise above her self-consiousness about that tomorrow.

      (am sure there is a plan for another version of the knock knock joke raised in closing, to present the idea to the jury, that this was all about media and ‘placating masses’, this idea for outsiders to come in and charge this innocent person.)

    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

      I agree with you 100%. Nor were Trayvon’s arms stretched out.

      Where was Zimmerman’s car parked that night?

      • Jun says:

        I believe he was parked by the mailboxes, just a bit passed it, and i am basing it on his NEN call statements, because that is what he says, and that is where he says he began stalking Trayvon, and then you hear him get out of his car there

  44. josemcyntire says:

    Brilliantly stated. I would add that people should consider she is on national television while being stared down within a few feet by the man who killed her best friend.

  45. Rachael says:

    My song for Rachel – (I took a few liberties with the words)

    Uptown got it’s hustlers
    The bowery got it’s bums
    42nd Street got Big ZIM
    He’s a pool-shootin’ son of a gun
    Yeah, he big and dumb as a man can come
    But he stronger than a country hoss
    And when the bad folks all get together at night
    You know they all call big ZIM “Boss”, just because
    And they say

    You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
    You don’t spit into the wind
    You don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
    And you don’t mess around with ZIM

    Well outta south Alabama come a country boy
    He say I’m lookin’ for a man named ZIM
    I am a pool-shootin’ boy
    By name ‘a Willie McCoy
    But down home they call me SLIM
    Yeah I’m lookin’ for the king of 42nd Street
    He drivin’ a drop top Cadillac
    Last week he took all my money
    And it may sound funny
    But I come to get my money back
    And everybody say Jack don’t you know

    You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
    You don’t spit into the wind
    You don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
    And you don’t mess around with ZIM

    Well a hush fell over the COURT ROOM
    ZIMMY come boppin’ in off the street
    And when the cuttin’ was done
    The only part that wasn’t bloody
    Was the soles of the big man’s feet, ooh
    And he was cut in about a hundred places
    And he were shot in a couple more
    And you better believe
    There come another kind of story
    When big ZIM hit the floor now they say

    You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
    You don’t spit into the wind
    You don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
    And you don’t mess around with SLIM

    Yeah, big ZIM got his hat
    Find out where it’s at
    And it’s not hustlin’ people strange to you
    Even if you do got a two-piece custom-made pool cue



    • Rachael says:

      Ooops, I realize this could come off all wrong – please delet!!!! I was just trying to say that what Rachel did today for Trayvon was this – but I can see the lyrics make it look ALL wrong – Ughhh. That is terrible. I just meant Rachel really tore up GZ today and brings justice to “Slim” (Trayvon) but OMG, this comes across all wrong.

      It was just you know, the spit into the wind, don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger (West)


      Y’all understand, don’t you?

      • cielo62 says:

        Rachael- I do, but you know how trolls can be. 😉


      • Rachael says:

        Sigh. Yeah. I mean I love that song and it just seemed so right the way she came into the court room and – well not just her but all the “women” were assumed to be easily bullied and they ALL pulled the mask off the old Lone Ranger and tore up Zim.

        And soon he’s gonna find out where it’s at.

        But I can see how it could look bad if someone doesn’t see it the way I do.

      • LeaNder says:

        Rachael, you saved my day and managed to calm me down. After all, how could this work:

        Trayvon’s phone is disconnected at 19:15:43
        shot is fired if I am correct at: 19:16:56

        That means exactly 1 minute 13 seconds.

        Is that enough for a guy talking to a friend in Florida to mutate from a “burglary suspect” into a vicious killer? Wouldn’t he at least have said, sorry now I have more urgent things to do.

        Did I get something wrong. I still hope we get a little bit of cell phone tower location data that does not fit into Fogen’s narrative. But if that was the case, would we see these desperate attempts to impeach DD? Or is prosecution saving some tidbits for later? And defense spent much too much time chasing after media misinformation that caused Fogen’s arrest? Trusting Fogen that everything he tells is true.

  46. MrSykes says:

    I think she is actually a sympathetic figure. Raw, candid, extremely blunt, unfiltered, ingenuous. She has nothing to lose, and no reason to lie or put on a front. She has clearly been traumatized and this entire process has likely been nothing short of a perpetual nightmare for her. All the defense can do is try to confuse and annoy her (as well as the jury) with minute details in hopes of tripping her up in a lie. Attacks on her character are a dime a dozen on social media and should be ignored.

    • LeaNder says:

      I agree, but I am a bit disappointed in how they used the audio without actually asking her. The whole scenario is going to make a lot minds fly.

      Now it almost looks as if, maybe, just maybe Serino could have a done a much better job had they given him access to the phone records, which it seems they did not give him, since they did not trust SPD.


    • Tee says:

      I agree totally with you. I also believe that this young lady life is forever altered. Did anyone think for one minute that she lied about her age because she didn’t want her friends to know that she was much older than them. Do anyone remember how terrible kids are to each other so now this girl may not even go back to school because everybody knows now that she’s going to be the oldest person in her grade. That’s why this girl didn’t want to come forward. do they know what mean ass people are calling her, Fat, black, dumb, & moron to name a few. We know that these are grown people on the Internet doing this imagine what kids will add once they find out her real age. This is why people keep their mouth shut and don’t say anything to the police or anyone else’s about witnessing a crime. I hurt for her!

      • LeaNder says:

        didn’t think about that, but you may be right.

        Although is it possible people don’t know your age in school? I admittedly wondered about her thyroid functions, I may be wrong though. And I do not have the slightest idea of the larger field. I had a female classmate for a year or so, I loved the girl, who was almost two years older than us, since she had polio and couldn’t go to school for almost two years. It was really hard in her case. She was one of the brightest girls I have ever met in my schooldays. After a year she was gone again. But she is the one that comes to mind always when I think about the girls in high school. I still remember the things she told me about. The best conversations I ever had at that time.

      • whonoze says:

        No evidence, but I just get the feeling from her that her community is mostly accepting of her, probably including a good number of her schoolmates. Kids being what they are, I’m sure she’s heard all the insults before from the mean ones. Again, it’s just a feeling on my part, but I’m guessing she’s just Honey Badger on that kind of stuff

  47. Tee says:

    I pass out when I am confronted with an extreme amount of stress like being at a love one wakes and funerals I try to avoid them at all cost. My best friend of 20 is still mad at me because I didn’t go to her cousin funereal, I went to her uncles but I just couldn’t bring myself to go to the cousins’, didn’t want to experience that feeling so I lied to her. I later apologized but I still lied and I’m a grown woman.

    • LeaNder says:

      Tee, she did everything quite well but she does not understand how they tricked her, I am absolutely sure.

      Were are you by the way. I could not sleep and over here it is morning again. 😉

      May I say good morning into whatever time it is at your place? 😉

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        LeaNder, I haven’t been able to sleep thinking about this case either. It’s something nagging me about it and I can’t put my finger on it yet. Something fishy going on with the defense’s line of questioning and that is not right and I have not been able to shake that feeling.

        Btw, it’s still night here. !0:07 p.m. to be exact.

        • LeaNder says:

          Go to sleep Granny.

          This is a really sick stroke of genius, however Maciavellian, they only need to plant suspicion in the minds of the jurors. They have no chance to understand the girls confusion. What is the default in cases like this. She is confused, since she is caught in her lies. Didn’t O’Mara already tell us so during voir dire? Was that what he had in mind?

    • I have a niece who does the same thing. She passes out at the funeral of loved ones. The girl just can’t handle it.

  48. LeaNder says:

    I’ll ask you all to check the two passages on the youTube link below, and tell me what you hear her say she hears Fogen respond to Trayvon’s question..

    3:20 is the passage in which Diwataman and Jeralyn Merrit claim she said, what Fogen claims he said; the second passage where she supposedly changes what she said, starts at 4:00 with Benjamin Crump asking her to repeat the passage again. They claim he coached a sentence into her she initially did not say.

    ABC video file

    I transcribed the two passage for Tzar what I hear on yesterday’s trial thread, please don’t go there, but tell me what you hear in these two passage.. Pay attention in both passage to only what she hears Fogen answer.

    This is really vicious they have used their “recent expertise in confirmation bias” it seems. And she allowed them to trick her.

    Again, this is really vicious and it may well work, if no one pays closer attention. Can we expect the State to read the deposition closely and study the trick they used. Maybe Manthei can do that, he should have the expertise by now.. What he would need to know though is the Diwataman and Jeralyn Merrits unfortunately not too well trained ears. Beyond wanting to hear something.

    • LeaNder says:

      No idea why none of the two passages got a plural “s” but this makes me very, very nervous.

    • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

      I knew it. I knew that something wasn’t right about that. It was the expression on her face that made me think that. The DA better get on their job and pay closer attention to them. If they lose this case because they got over confident and didn’t pay attention, it’s not gonna be pretty.

      Believe me many people are watching and paying real close attention. I know that one and one is two, but it can also be eleven.

      • LeaNder says:

        Granny I am paying much attention on details, but I can tell you not many do, that is my experience. I hope though that someone alerts the state, if I could, I would, but I have no idea how.

        I simply can’t believe she said that. You noticed she was very confused, didn’t you?

        This is really serious.

      • Rachael says:

        Was she confused? Didn’t she say it was the same issue as last time?

      • LeaNder says:

        Rachael, this is the transcription up to the relevant passage:

        West: Yes, that’s it. Just from line 15 to line 23.

        DD: OK

        West: Alright? May I ask you a couple of questions about it then?

        BDRL: Objection, regarding it should be from page 2.09 I believe it should be to 2.12 to have a complete answer.

        Nelson: You can do that on your redirect.

        West: You remember being in the deposition and you are asking, to Nelson, shall I return to the ( I don’t get the following word, I have no idea what the place he is returning to is called. podium?)

        Nelson: Yes, please.

        West: Miss Jeantel, you remember being in deposition in Miami on Wednesday March 13th and we were talking about the same subject?

        DD: Yes.

        West: And I asked you, what George Zimmerman said in response to Trayvon Martin saying: Why’re you following me? And we actually played the recording of that section. You remember that?

        DD: And I have told you and it says so on the depo paper that I have rushed on the interview between me and Crump.

        West: So that is what your explantion is.

        She heard the ABC interview, I guess that is what they played for her, the fist time. She had needed to sit there all morning long getting more and more nervous till it finally started at 2 p.m. Then she was confronted with the video camera that BDLR couldn’t prevent and I think she got into a trap and confirmed the expertise of Jeralyn Merritt and Diwataman with their respective Sony Sound Forge “cleaned copies”.

        And I think she was lured into a trap and simply confirmed what they wanted to hear, that is that Fogen responded exactly as he claimed he did. Which would make her later statements in this context a lie.

        Fogen claimed he said: “What are you talking about”

        Exactly what Jeralyn and Diwataman want me to hear for quite some time now. But I don’t think this actually what she said.

        If you think this is nothing, that is at the core of her statement about the encounter, than think again. They lined up two lies already and now they want to expand that into her statements about the encounter. Look all the time she said this, and here she said this.

        But I noticed that BDLR paid attention and that she did not really confirm what West wanted. In any case I don’t hear it, but I may simply feel over protective towards her. I think she will be OK. But she has to be careful not to show her anger, she cannot control how the jury interprets that in the larger context of other lies. That is exactly, why he wants to lure her into outburst or anger. Good that she can calm down and, I hope someone tells her, that should not happen again. She can express her emotions politely tell him that she feels uncomfortable by his interpretations, since he does not get it right. That the jury will understand far better than angry outbursts. That’s why West is trying to lure her there.

      • LeaNder says:

        ( I don’t get the following word, I have no idea what the place he is returning to is called. podium?)

        He may actually say bar, but my knowledge of juridical American is not too good yet and he lowers his voice considerably at that point.

      • bettykath says:

        He had previously approached the witness and was asking the judge if he should return to the podium.

      • Malisha says:

        Fogen claims the question was:

        VERSION 1 – “You got a fuckin’ problem, homie?”
        VERSION 2 – “You got a fuckin’ problem?”

        and his answer was,

        VERSION 1 – “No I don’t have a problem”
        VERSION 2 – “No man, I don’t have a problem”
        VERSION 3 – “I don’t have a problem”

        Does someone else have a different set of answers somewhere?

        Oh, and who cares?

    • Tzar says:

      Great catch Leander

      • LeaNder says:

        I made a mistake. But I surely would like to watch the video of her depositions and West’s tricks.


        “What are you talking about”


        “I have no problem”.

        Notice the same type of denial. On the one hand what Singleton and Serino mirrored back to Fogen, but you had a problem? No?

        And here the pretense that he did not even know, why he was asked why he was following. Which of course he never did. 😉 Notice how perfectly this fits into Fogen’s narrative?

        Did she really say that? Am I tricking myself? I simply cannot force myself to hear it.

        What bothered me though was that it escaped the attention of Bill Shaeffer what was going on. Therefore I had to look at it more closely. He talked of a partial meltdown, and he found her quite convincing before that passage.

        The struggle will go on in two hours. I wish I could coach her now. Advise her to enjoy to remain completely calm, I learned that a couple of years before her age. I think what connected Trayvon and DD is humor. But she never had to deal with Manipulators, I had to, and I can tell you, you learn fast.

        I still think, she did not completely understand what happened or if she does, she is not able to express herself well enough. She makes this too much an intimate exchange with West, he is playing to the audience, for effect.

        With rush, she means she talked to fast. Crump: talk SLOWLY. If you talk too fast you don’t pronouce all the syllables your slur.

        Tell me, why I do not hear: “What are you talking about?” Tell me where the exact confirmation bias lies. Is it possible West can suggest to her what she supposedly said, and she does not challenge him? Is it possible that after all these years my ears are obstructed by my mind. Is it possible she is so suggestive that she accepts his ears. Remember he always claimed he could not understand her. Is it possible just like a bad handwriting you are not able to understand anymore what you said, they way you cannot read a highspeed notes? Your own handwriting?

        Tell me what you hear. They gamble with the fact that she is not easy to understand, at least if you do not get slightly used to the way she talks. Tell me to what extend they want and will be able to exploit it?

        What troubled me was that Bill Shaeffer who completely was on her side, found her convincing, spoke of a partial meltdown after this passage.

        I could go on and on. 1 hour 30 minutes still.

        Seems Fogen is praying, I know the Catholic disguise of folded hands. Watch him. It may well be a stage show for the camera. But I wouldn’t completely rule it out either that he never awoke from his paranoid dreams.

        • Tzar says:

          But I wouldn’t completely rule it out either that he never awoke from his paranoid dreams.

          I hope we get the story on the psych history

  49. LeaNder says:

    OK, I have to cut that in two, due to two links:

    She is clearly surprised and does not quite understand what it is happening. That’s what is frustrating her. they use the tool they learned from their experts: confirmation bias, they tricked her. Why does no one pay attention.

    She does not understand what is happening and that makes her furious. I could tell her.


  50. LeaNder says:

    She is clearly surprised, they use the tool they learned from their experts: confirmation bias, they tricked her. Why does no one pay attention.

    She does not understand what is happening and that makes her furious.

    I ask you all to check these two passages, and tell me what she hears Fogen respond to Trayvon’s question..

    3:20 is the passage in which Diwataman and Jeralyn Merrit claim she said, what Fogen claims he said; the second passage where she supposedly changes what she said, starts at 4:00 with Benjamin Crump asking her to repeat the passage again. They claim he coached a sentence into her she initially did not say.

    ABC video file

    I transcribed the two passage for Tzar what I hear on the day’s thread, please don’t go there, but tell me what you hear in these two passage. I deleted the passage they claim she said, so not to influence you either into my version or in theirs.

    Please tell me what you hear. This is really vicious they have used their “recent expertise in confirmation bias” it seems.

    this is really vicious and it may work.

  51. I hate funerals, and don’t think I’m wrong I try to avoid them as much possible. I totally understand why she lied. It hard to see a family members grieve.

  52. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    It just occurred to me. Who was at the deposition with Rachel when West and O Mara took a deposition? I remember someone mentioning on here that West gave Rachel a split dep to trip her up. Do you think he would also go as far as having some of the words reworded/changed on that dep doc changed? Because Rachel had an expression on her that made me think that something was not her words. Remember they switched documents when they interviewed the audio experts. Was Crump there with her? I don’t put nothing pass them.

    • Nef05 says:

      She has a very good memory and absolutely no hesitation in calling West out. It would not be a good idea, if they did that.

      Then again, they are morally bankrupt (imo). Just today, in the court, West tried to slip a picture to a witness that had not been approved by the prosecution. So I really wouldn’t be surprised.

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        That’s what I’m talking about. All throughout this trial they’ve been trying to sneak things in or switch things. If I were the DA I would start asking to look at whatever the defense wants someone to read from and make sure it’s the same thing. Think about it, they’ve even slipped in a few lies here and there. MOM and West are not playing fair. I think the DA needs to pay closer attention to them. The reason they wanted Crump out of the courtroom is because he doesn’t miss a beat.

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        I know she has a good memory and does not hesitate to call him out, but would the jury believe her against what is written down in black and white print? Think about it.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I’ve been watching west & mom & also don’t trust what they are trying to show the witnesses. If only there was a way to make them be honest

    • Malisha says:

      The other thing is errata. They should send the transcript to a person deposed so he or she can correct any words that did not come through correctly. IMAGINE THEM DOING THAT with Rachel! Um… I doubt it. And imagine her doing the secretarial work to correct the transcripts where they have it down wrong. Um… probably NOT.

  53. bettykath says:

    Paula Deen’s language and Al Sharpton. Paula said she used the N word when she was being robbed and a guy had a gun at her head. She was using it was an invocation of her entitlement as a white woman and an attempt to put the robber “in his place.”

    Rev. Al’s advice: “If a Black man is holding a gun to your head that’s the LAST thing you want to call him.”

  54. Malisha says:

    According to the Babylonian Talmud,
    “Whoever destroys one life,
    it is considered as if he destroyed the whole world.
    And whoever saves one life,
    it is considered as if he saved the whole world.”

    And that is the real problem for Fogen.

    During jury selection, we kept hearing people say they didn’t know why this particular case should get so much attention, and variations on that theme. We have read bigots over at the Outhouse and even some third-rate radio announcer opine from their lofty “more equal than other pigs” pedestals that in one way or another, for one reason or another, Trayvon Martin either deserved to die or brought about his own death so it doesn’t matter. We saw people fish up crimes committed by some totally unrelated African American against other totally unrelated white victims, purporting to show some false equivalency which they indignantly broadcast as a delegitimization of the right and responsibility of the State of Florida to prosecute Fogen for murder.

    What does all this say?

    It says that the “whole world” represented by Trayvon Martin is not a valuable “whole world” so destroying it is not a big deal.

    But let’s see who got caught in the net of that “whole world”:

    Chief Billy Lee lost his job;

    Wolfinger lost his career and his prestige (what remained of it);

    Patty Mahaney lost power in the community;

    The HOA lost over a million dollars;

    Many of the RTL residents lost their homes;

    Other RTL residents lost equity in their homes;

    Fogen will probably lose his freedom;

    Shellie may lose her freedom and will almost certainly lose her husband;

    Joe Oliver claims to have lost (given up) HIS job;

    Osterman lost his anonymity which can have a negative effect on HIS job;

    Taaffe lost a lot when both his son and daughter went public with their scorn and anger at their father for his abuse of them;

    Serino may have lost status within the police force;

    And the murder of Trayvon Martin is the UNGIFT that keeps on taking.

    There is good sense in what the Talmud says.

    Whether people value the life of another or devalue it, society has a lot at risk if this murder goes unpunished. Of course, I do not think it will.

    Thanks to Ms. Fulton, Mr. Martin, Mr. Crump, Ms. Jackson, Rev. Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the millions. It is a tiring and tough trial but it is as necessary as the U.S. budget.

  55. RastaGirl says:

    Ummm… If Trayvon approached Zimmerman I don’t think his question would’ve necessarily be why are you following me? I mean he asked bc obviously he was being followed and wanted to know why.
    If he was approaching to fight there probably would’ve been no questions asked… My opinion…

    Funny to me George even says he asked him if he had a problem and he said no man I don’t have a problem and decides to try and make a phone call. So I guess Trayvon just waited for answer and decided hmmm ok ill punch him now …

  56. RastaGirl says:

    Just can’t get my mind off those pics of Trayvon…. He just did not have to kill him. I’m so angry

    • Rachael says:

      No, he certainly did not and I haven’t been able to sleep since seeing those pictures myself. I just keep thinking that could have been my son. You just want to go and pick him up and hug the life back into him. It seems like you should be able to. It is just all so wrong.

  57. fauxmccoy says:

    my song for rachel jeantel

    bob marley – get up standup

  58. Dennis says:

    How anyone can think this was a good day for the prosecution is stunning.

    One eyewitness admitted her basis for saying who was on who was due to photos of Trayvon as a youngster. Another heard three shots and one must have gone through the back the way she describes things.

    Dee Dee was not only impeached but gave testimony beneficial to the defense. On direct she said that Trayvon asked the defendant “why you following me” and he responded “what are you doing around here.” But West provided the deposition where she said he responded “What are you talking about.” This not only shows that she’s since tailored her testimony but that the defendant was the confronted and was perplexed by the accusation of following.

    Its also no small matter that on direct she stated it was Trayvon screaming but had previously stated she didn’t know. As far as the “get off” if you listen to her deposition it’s clear that she’s adding that “kinda like get off, you know a small get off” because the state wants more. West will get to that I’m sure but if the state cannot really rehabilitate her, her credibility is gone.

    I think West could’ve handled Dee Dee in a better way and the lie about the funeral was valueless. The lie about her age was important however because it showed she could be crafty. After West impeached her with her previous deposition I think his manner no longer mattered.

    I must be incredibly biased because it really seems to me that with the exception of some law enforcement witnesses the state has been presenting a defense case these last few days.

    • Malisha says:

      wow, whole sentences!

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I disagree with you, Dennis.

    • Rachael says:

      Everyone is entitled to their opinion they say. As far as tailoring testimony well…I don’t think I need to spell that one out.

      Oh yeah, you know what else they say about opinions, so I don’t need to spell that out either.

    • kllypyn says:


    • fauxmccoy says:

      PROFESSOR — i believe we have an alternate ‘Dennis’ here — this is not the same word-press generated avatar of our regular, long time posting Dennis.

      • vickie s. votaw says:

        He is tarnishing the nice Dennis’s name, please ban the troll, he belongs with his buddies at the treehouse.

    • cielo62 says:

      Dennis~ PLEASE crawl back into your snake hole at the base of the Outhouse.  Wouldnt you rather cover a DIFFERENT conspiracy at this time?


    • Valerie says:

      I attributed the “three gun shots” to an echo from the single gunshot…IMO.

    • bettykath says:

      “One eyewitness admitted her basis for saying who was on who was due to photos of Trayvon as a youngster.”

      That was the defense trying to confuse the issue. She identified the one on top as the one who got up and walked away.

      “Another heard three shots”

      Is that all you heard her say? Amazing selective hearing. She heard 3 “pops”, not 3 shots. Considering the layout of the buildings, it could have been echos.

      “and one must have gone through the back the way she describes things.”

      This descriptions sounds like you went through the back 🙂

      Rachel’s testimony is essentially the same as the deposition. The jury will see the essence. I can’t imagine a 4 hour deposition with West. I’d mess it up, too, and long past my teen years.

      “I think West could’ve handled Dee Dee in a better way and the lie about the funeral was valueless.”

      Yes to both points.

      “I must be incredibly biased because it really seems to me that with the exception of some law enforcement witnesses the state has been presenting a defense case these last few days.”

      Agreement again. About the incredibly biased part. The prosecution is doing just fine and the best is ahead of us.

      • Dennis says:

        I would assume she heard echoes. The sound probably bounced off the walls of the townhouses a couple of times. She is a very sweet lady and doesn’t know anything about guns. I could feel her pain in the replay of the 911 call.

    • Tee says:

      You are funny! Impeached her really, if that’s the best they can do I put my money on Dee Dee any day. If Getting a teenager to say they lied about where they was or how old they were was a great win for the defence then I say to you, Ha! I got some land I want to sell you. Her reasoning for both was so believable, and when she delivered them on the witness stand I cried. Save it buddy,she may be a lot of things but a liar is not one we saw that today. Protecting ones self is human nature.

    • smokeegyrl says:

      Everyone meet Dennis P from Facebook, a Fogen Supporter, one of the TM supporter bullies from the diseased page and HLN’s Event’s page.

    • Jun says:

      The Asian lady – her testimony is she knows what Fogen looks like, hence, she knows she saw Fogen on top, and he shot the boy, and simply got up and walked away. West tried to confuse the issue and the lady still stands firm that Fogen was on top of Trayvon, shot the boy, then simply stood up to his feet.

      The Empathetic Teacher – her testimony remains exactly the same. She heard an aggressive confrontational voice whom she attributes to Fogen. She heard what she would describe as a young boy screaming. She saw Fogen on top of Trayvon. She saw Fogen shoot Trayvon and simply rise to his feet and move around. West tried to bully her into changing her statement with nonsensical BS, as if the fact Trayvon was shot in the chest makes it impossible for Fogen to be on top. She stood firm and stated that “she can only testify as to what she saw and heard”.

      Rachel – Rachel’s testimony, is supported by Selene, the asian lady, and the Empathetic Teacher. Rachel’s testimony connects all their testimonies together. I agree that she is rough around the edges but I believe that’s what makes her credible and real.

      Lastly, anything a lawyer says is not evidence. What the witnesses testify is evidence. Fogen has not testified, therefore, his testimony is not weighed yet.

      We can only speculate as to what the jury thinks, but, IMO, the defense was really rude to the ladies testifying, as well as, they were confusing to understand to the jury. The defense from yesterday were shown to be liars, when the jury saw Fogen’s face, and it buries West’s beating claims quite a lot. The jury also saw Trayvon’s hands up close, and now, Guy looks credible. I also feel the state comes across more sincere. West comes across as very phony.

      Even though West tries to confuse the jury, the judge will explain in the end, that for an affirmative defense, the defense must present evidence to support their theory, otherwise they do not get a jury instruction, and it’s pretty much fact Fogen killed Trayvon. It is only when West appropriately raises self defense, does the state have to disprove that. So far, all that has been shown is Fogen is a liar and a creepy stalker.

      I am only human, so I can be wrong as anyone else, but I personally felt it went well today. Rachel was a little rough around the edges, but Bernie can honestly show in redirect how her testimony is supported by the other witnesses.

      • Malisha says:

        In redirect he doesn’t even need to show that other testimony supports Rachel’s — all he needs to do is help Rachel redefine the important points, re-emphasize the actual earwitness stuff, and then let this young “salt of the earth” woman with the beautiful hair and nails return to her world, richer for her having climbed the mountain and fought the dragon, poorer for the absence of Trayvon Martin.

    • Dennis,

      I made on Whonoze blog, a point-by-point check of Rachel’s account to BDLR. She has a very stable story. Much more stable than GZ’s.

      The fight about GZ’s answer to TM’s “why are you following me for” is smoke and mirror at this point. This is defense strategy to spend a lot of time on a minor issue t make it look major. But over all, it looks to me that she stood her ground quite well.

      Below is a copy of my post to Whonoze’s.

      What I got from RJ’s (DeeDee’s) narrative on day 3 with BDLR is the following:
      1) TM, coming from the store, used a short cut to get to the mailbox area.
      2) While at the mailbox area, he noticed GZ watching him (That means TM was at RATL’s mailbox),
      3) He decided to resume walking home,
      4) GZ followed him (I could not tell if it was physically or by sight),
      5) TM decides to run from the back (the meaning of “from the back” is still a mystery)
      6) The phone connection is lost, she calls back (in line with evidences)
      7) TM told Rachel he lost GZ and that he was by his dad’s fiance’s house (By the house came earlier so the meaning is not clear)
      8) He decides to walk
      9) He notices, a couple seconds later, that GZ is still following (this is a change in time scale as in previous accounts she stated a couple of minutes later)
      10) She stated that she stopped talking with TM for some time as she was fixing her hair
      11) She heard TM say “What are you following me for?” (no change there)
      12) She heard another voice saying “What are you doing around here?”
      13) She heard a bump and the headset falling on the grass
      14) last she heard was TM’s voice saying “get off” 2x
      To my senses, the core of her account has not changed a iota.

    • SearchingMind says:

      @ Dennis

      Dennis, anyone who is as “critical” as you (IMO) pretend to be MUST FIRST read the whole deposition transcript in order to put- and interpret whatever Dee Dee said in context. Right now, you don’t know exactly what Dee Dee said. Heck, you have not even seen the deposition transcripts and you are already making sweeping conclusions that are on the face of it ill-founded.

      There is already someone on this blood known as Dennis (a vegetarian). If you are not that Dennis, how come you are able to register/post under the same name? Critical views are welcomed. But an imposter can be neither honest nor critical. Pls. clear this up before you are discredited as a troll.

    • Dennis says:

      Give it a rest. Anyone that has not been living under a rock knows Zimmerman is GUILTY!

      No DNA or blood of Zimmerman on Trayvon. No DNA or skin cells of Zimmerman under Trayvon’s fingernails. No DNA or fingerprints of Trayvon on the gun or holster.

      I’m sorry but your friend Zimmerman got those boo boos all by himself because there is not a trace of forensic evidence that says Trayvon touched Zimmerman’s head or face.

      The blonde woman testified that the scream was a boy and that Zimmerman was on top.

      Neither woman said Zimmerman was getting an MMA beating, so that blows that part of his story out of the water.

    • nocamo33 says:

      By your standards, Zimmerman impeached himself also, “You got it” “Or, you got me, ssomething like that.” Or are there differing scales by which you judge honesty and credibility (DD 2 lies, George 20 – DD is impeachable but George so squeaky you’d be willing to eat a platter of scrambled eggs off his hiney).

  59. ladystclaire says:

    After reading all of the comments here, I just had a thought. Why don’t we all give Rachael a love offering for all she’s been through and, for being a TRUE friend to Trayvon.

    If some in this country can support his murderer, then why can’t we donate to her cause. after all, she has to pay an attorney too.

    • whonoze says:

      If she accepted money from any partisan source (e.g. folks on this blog) that would compromise her status as a witness. Nor do I think she’s a “cause.”

      • ladystclaire says:

        I don’t know if she is a cause or not and, this was just a thought that I had. I know she couldn’t receive any thing now but, later would be OK. but, SOLID and, it’s OK.

    • concernedczen says:

      I’d like to do something for her also.

      • Rachael says:

        I would too. I agree she’s not a “cause,” but she is a kid who has found herself someone she never dreamed she would be and no one ever wants to be just because like any other teenager, was talking and texting with a friend. This is a pretty big case you know, being watched all around the world, and for her to get up in front of the world and answer to a big bad defense team whose only desire is to destroy her credibility in front of the world, that’s asking a lot of anybody much less a high school kid. And honest to Pete, after seeing some of the crap and trashing I’ve seen her go through, it would have to be nice to let her know that some people really appreciate her and all hope we have a friend like her who would go through this for us.

      • Big Willie says:

        Count me in.

        • dianetrotter says:

          Make sure you wait until the sentencing is done. Might be a bad idea because Dennis P and fellow trolls may say you are paying for her testimony.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      Ladystclaire, I think your idea is brilliant! I’m in, how do you want to do this? My email is vvotaw@,

    • Tzar says:

      Nice try Rachael!

    • MedicineBear says:

      What a brilliant idea! I’m in! We’ll be looking for love offering details after trial . . .

  60. Jun says:

    I could not understand most of Rachel’s testimony to be honest, it was hard to hear but anyways, she’s not a meat and bones witness and she was talking on the phone with Trayvon

    • Rachael says:

      Hey Jun, if you thought she was difficult to understand, do not ever become a medical transcriptionist.

    • Tee says:

      One mic wasn’t working properly so she only could be heard on the small one. She has braces and I know that it’s tough to hear but I think that she has a learning disability. I work for well over 15 yrs with the disabled.

      • Jun says:

        I think she has a bit of a learning disability too

        (Not saying there is anything wrong with it)

        She appears that way to me, and if she appears that way to the jury too, West just looks like a prick

      • elcymoo says:

        I think her use of the term ‘Mr. Don’ was a ‘tell’ that she’s developmentally delayed, and there were lots of other clues as well. I hope the jurors see that, but I think it would be devastating to her if anyone pointed it out in court. Damn GZ for all the damage he’s caused to so many lives.

  61. whonoze says:

    Let’s not forget the other Jean tell: Jeanee Manolo standing firm on ‘the guy who who was on top was the guy who got up.” Of course, she saw this after the gunshot, which means what she saw was GZ NOT giving CPR, but holding down TM’s body to make sure the young man could not breathe.

    • Puck says:

      Bernie’s brief redirect was brilliant and succinct: Was the man on top the man who got up? Yes. Thank you, no further questions, your Honor.

      • whonoze says:

        Puck: Has it occurred to you that this blog is a PhD dissertation waiting to happen? Maybe more Cultural Studies than traditional Sociology… Too bad John Fiske is retired…

        • Puck says:

          I’ve considered writing on this, applying the conceptual model I created for a critical analysis of the Tea Party and the new Right to the Zidiots. After spending four years wading through Tea Party & general right-wing crap, I don’t know if I’m up to the task of slogging through a year plus of CTH posts.

          I could ditch the theoretical analysis and simply write on this case in a larger context, using the CTH throughout to demonstrate what seems to me to be an underlying hysteria nearly identical to the one I argued drives the TP and the Obama-era right wing.

          By the way, it was your timeline videos that really quashed any doubt I had about this case early last summer. I can’t wait until the jury sees it, after all that they have and will hear pre-dismantling GZ’s various accounts of the story.

      • Rachael says:

        That was brilliant.

      • whonoze says:

        I meant THIS blog, the FLLB, not the CTH. Virtual Community, Popular Knowledges etc.

        • Puck says:

          Oh! That would be much easier and enjoyable. I posted something a few days ago asking if people wanted to share their personal experiences with this case and on this blog as a community, wanting to do some sociology for fun, but I only got one terse reply.

      • Malisha says:

        Puck, I saw that post a few days ago about the study, and I don’t know if I replied (and if I did I’m sorry my reply was terse) but I think it’s brilliant and want to participate in any way possible with it, but have been low low LOW energy for a couple of months and very pressed for time. Let me ask if you would gather up any comments relating to it and hold on to them for a short while and then come back on and revisit.

        A poster on the Turley bog once taught me how to open an e-mail address at a place called “” where you can correspond with people and it has some good privacy options. I did open an account there at the time and some of the Turley bloggers and I corresponded but then I let the account go (it was free but if you don’t check in once every three weeks it closes and vanishes). So posters could figure out how to meet each other over there for work that required exchanging kinds of information not on the blog.

        Anyway, thank you. Hoodies up.

    • Actually I found BDLR brilliant on that one.

      Defense is pushing hard on every little inconsistencies from witnesses. If there is one inconsistency, they can spend 45 minutes on it giving the false impression that it is major.
      In the case of Jeannie Manalo, defense spent a lot of time trying to refute the ‘bigness’ comparison she made.

      I was wondering when will BDLR close that issue by reminding everyone that Jeannie referred to the weight rather than the height of the two protagonists. Old or not, TM’s pictures show him skinnier than GZ.

      But BDLR had a better idea. He closed this issue wonderfully by reminding everybody what she really said: “the guy who who was on top was the guy who got up.”

  62. Just wanted to say thanks for the information and analysis you are providing. Stumbled here through a friend’s post.

  63. fauxmccoy says:

    ms jeantel deserves all the loving care this world can provide, yet it seems as if she is on her own. i know that victim’s assistance should be able to provide counseling for her, but who knows if she even has the resources to know or ask. i hope that tracy and sybrina are doing whatever they can for her.

    yes, all in all an excellent day for the prosecution, may there be many more of them. i hope a good night’s sleep is possible for ms. jeantel, i hope she has someone with her other than a peer, to keep her as settled as possible. my heart goes out to this unbelievably strong young woman.

  64. ZCBest says:

    Am I late to the party? I know I have been MIA all day, don’t ask. Ugh.

    They are going to try to use Rachel’s tweets against her tomorrow. What teenager truly understands the impact of their words on social media?

    Despicable them.

    • Xena says:

      Unless the tweets directly pertain to her ear-witness testimony, the State should object to their entry for lack of relevance.

      • Tee says:

        They refer to her contempt for the whole process. How she don’t like CNN & HLN I know that she said that she don’t watch the news so they going to want to know how if he not watch the news how can she tweet that. She’s unhappy about the entire process.

      • groans says:

        Well, yes … but the State should have objected to many things already, but didn’t. If they object, JN will sustain most of their objections. But she won’t say much of anything unless and UNTIL THEY OBJECT!!

      • Nellie Nell says:

        The way they act like it is a crime to support a teen that was murdered by a grown man is confusing to me. Selena could have very well said that she supports Trayvon because she did not see the head banging, smothering and punching that he described!!!

        But there is no crime in supporting the victim – what the hell is wrong with MOM and West?????

    • Malisha says:

      Unless they have a tweet from February 2012 that says “Trayvon told me he’s going up to Orlando to kill some creepy-ass cracker,” I fail to see how any of that could be relevant.

      • ZCBest says:

        Agreed but we all know that they don’t operate with good sense. Known pawn scum. Pardon me pawn scum for the comparison.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      The defense has been using the media and/or social media to defend their guilty client since day one. The way MOM snatched that laptop from in front of Selene Bahadoor while she was reading it was disgusting. I was wishing it to slip from his grip and crash to the floor into 2 or 3 pieces right in front of the jury box! And then the murderer had the nerve to shake his head at her as if he was disgusted that she signed a petition against him.

      I sure hope the jury seen that look of anger that he shot her way. I also hope that the looked at him when the photos of Trayvon’s body was shown in the exact same place that he left him. He stared at those photos as if he got a rise out of them.

  65. ZCBest says:

    The Mock Jury on HLN’s After Dark just said Rachel proved that Trayvon was attacked, 11-1.

  66. Tee says:

    Tomorrow will be awful for Rachel, she said a lot of disrespectful tongs in her tweets I know that this is going to be hard for us here to take in, but I’m stating up front that even with all that she said she still never changed her story and that’s what count.

    • diary73 says:

      She has not been on Twitter this evening, has she? Or are these past tweets?

      • Tee says:

        Past tweets she really don’t like any of this nd don’t want to be a part of it.

      • whonoze says:

        She apparently Tweeted pics of her manicure job for court this morning, among other things. She doesn’t really get the gravity of her position, which actually adds to her credibility IMHO.

        Hopefully the jury gets that, understands that this young woman has no filters, and will deal with any Tweets that would seem untoward from a typical 19-year-old accordingly. It’s good they got to see her in person at length before being introduced to any written breaches of decorum she may have authored in text form.

      • Nef05 says:

        Okay, I don’t understand. She’s not a juror, so how are her tweets in any way relevant to the proceeding? She’s a witness. Her bias is a given, under the circumstances. Who gives a FF if she went and got some “court nails”. Is she going to be cross examined on being black and having black cultural mannerisms? How is any of this material to the case? Is Robert Jr going to be cross examined on his tweets? Is Sr. going to be cross examined on his “book”?

        This is not directed at Diary. I just have QUESTIONS!

    • Tzar says:

      it is what it is
      bring it on

  67. smokeegyrl says:

    Thank you Professor for a your statement. My mind is utterly blank right now and it hurts. I was watching the HLN Nancy Grace show and they are really exploiting Dee Dee and saying this is slam dunk self defense case for Fogen. I don’t believe it is. What you said above is what I believe. Disappointed said it well too and so did Rachael.

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  68. Brandy says:

    I think a Good song for Rachel would be,,,, You’ve Got a Friend by James Taylor. The words of that song would be so uplifting for her right now! I am not good at copy and pasting so if someone could post the song here for me that would be great! TIA

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:


      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        When you’re down and troubled
        and you need a helping hand,
        and nothing, whoa nothing is going right.
        Close your eyes and think of me
        and soon I will be there
        to brighten up even your darkest nights.

        If the sky above you
        should turn dark and full of clouds
        and that old north wind should begin to blow
        Keep your head together and call my name out loud now
        and soon I’ll be knocking upon your door.
        You just call out my name and you know where ever I am
        I’ll come running to see you again.
        Winter, spring, summer or fall
        all you got to do is call
        and I’ll be there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

        Hey, ain’t it good to know that you’ve got a friend?
        People can be so cold.
        They’ll hurt you and desert you.
        Well they’ll take your soul if you let them.
        Oh yeah, but don’t you let them.

        You just call out my name and you know wherever I am
        I’ll come running to see you again.

      • Brandy says:

        Hi! Thank you for posting this song! 🙂 This song always makes me cry. I feel so bad for Rachel, She needs all the love, prayers and positive thoughts sent her way. I hope she was surrounded by loved ones tonite! Bless her heart.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        yw, Brandy.

        Yes, my whole being is sending loving thoughts and support to her.

      • ladystclaire says:

        Sweet Baby James Taylor, North Carolina’s native son.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

    • DruDo says:

      Brandy, I love this song. I hope Rachel knows there are many who care about her and hold her in our hearts. I sincerely do not say this to be inappropriate, but this is also the song I play for my rescued pets and know of a shelter where they play this for the animals there who need homes.

      • Brandy says:

        Hi DruDo! Love this song too! Awww, they play this song for the sweet, precious animals. That just melts my heart !

      • DruDo says:

        I know! I love animals and have a real soft spot for the elderly and handicapped ones. I have three cats, two handicapped, one senior citizen (16 yrs.), and one “getting up there”, almost 12 yr. old dog, all rescues, and they’re all so sweet and funny. If I could, I’d have many more and then I’d officially be a crazy cat (and dog) lady. 🙂

  69. i THINK Rachael did ok, not great. She was never the State key witness, IMO. Her lies are understandable, by her testimony she thought Z was already in jail. She told West four times she doesn’t watch the news, so why keep asking? Personally, I think the older lady has been the best witness. Rachael is only an ear witness, despite the darkness, the older lady is the better witness, she saw some of incident, not all.

    • Xena says:

      @Charlie Christopher. For a 19 yr old high school student, (as well as many older Americans), hearing that a person has admitted to killing another person defaults to an understanding that the person has been arrested.

  70. diary73 says:

    Oh, I think the guardian might have jumped the gun on that story. No other news outlets have supported this about Nelson Mandela. I should have researched further.

  71. MichelleO says:

    Rachel has gorgeous, sexy eyes. I see she got her hair done. I like her. I bet she’s loads of fun. She’s a playful, joyful, and truthful. I haven’t seen a person like her in the media in AGES. Maybe not since the 1970s. It’s almost when I first saw Serena William’s breast giggle (they are REAL *gasp!*). She’s a genuine person. Strong as hell too.

    • SearchingMind says:

      Hmmmm, I submit that Donald West definitely got some “exciting ideas” from the way Dee Dee moved her tongue around her lips and momentarily lost his concentration. Remember when West told Dee Dee that he (West) sometimes needed some time to formulate his questions? At that moment I thought: ‘oh my, his thoughts are elsewhere!

    • Deborah Moore says:

      Thank you for sharing that. It’s been such a busy news day.
      R.I.P, sweet soul Mandela.

    • Puck says:

      That’s a BS report.

    • Michael Stewart says:

      The world lost one of it’s best today.

      Farewell Madiba.

    • William Walton says:

      Rachael, who the fuck is this dipshit? It would appear he is as delusional as GZ. Actually it would appear that this is not a joke. However, I thought Rachael did very well on the witness stand. If she is from parents who grew up in the Carribean, I am going to post later what my thoughts are having spent a tremendous amount of time in Trinidad, WI while with Amoco. It is a totally different culture, however interesting and fun.

    • cielo62 says:

      diary~ thank you for posting this. It’s not even on CNN yet.


  72. Rachael says:

    OMG!!! Someone has truly lost their everloving mind!! Can’t someone DO something about him?!!! :

    I’m going to be doing some odd posting stuff because time is of the essence….
    Posted on June 26, 2013 by sundance
    tHOME. Exhausted, but will be turning around to get back on the road at 4:00am. {{Waving HI to my dual escorts – yeah, I saw ya today, so y’all can catch a nap til we leave again in the morning….}} I think we are about 72 hours away from revealing that M-DSPD Leadership has intentionally blocked release of information out of risk management decisions. This has created some even bigger issues.

    For Treepers who have followed our research – you know of what I speak. M-DSPD holds the key to both Witness #8 and Trayvon – vis-a-vis Baker act.

    Sybrina Fulton is far more into this original narrative than I first thought. I talked to 3 people today who confirmed that Sybrina pressured the entire family of W8, and used the leverage from her coms with Miami-Dade BGI insiders, naacp etc, to put pressure on W8 and her family. W8 wanted NOTHING to do with the scheme. AND THIS IS A SCHEME.

    Witness 8IMHO W8 needs a witness protection program. If I could afford it, I would pay for it myself. If she tells the truth of all things she will be in danger. REAL danger. She’s welcome to hideout here if needed.

    I’m going to be posting some old threads by changing the dates/times in the sheer necessity of time-management. You will understand the importance if you revisit the topics of convo….. nuf said.


    IMHO,… and no,… I’m not trying to tell the defense what to do, or influence them in any way… I’m not important, I’m not self-indulgent, and I’m damn sure not arrogant enough to do that….. I am a person of no particular consequence and this is just my opinion: Don West needs to revisit the framing of the Probable Cause affidavit with W8 on the stand. There is a way he can bring this in. It relates to the probable cause affidavit and the Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (highest elected judicial position in the state) speaking about the case.

    Did W8 *refuse* to talk to authorities [think Crump letter to Tom Perez]? Answer NO. (so get this out in court)

    Did W8 want anything to do with this? Answer NO. (so get this out in court)

    Did W8 know Crump was going to use her to manufacture media evidence? Answer NO. (so get this out in court)

    W8 was pressured from the outset to tell a very specific tale. She was painted into corners with no escape by horrible people with horrible agenda’s. She is now under threat from them. Which should be another line of questioning while she is on the stand – all of which is possible questioning if WEST thinks SMART and uses the PCA to frame his question(s).

    I’m sorry, really sorry, but I am burning the candle at rapid rates on both ends. My nerves are frayed…. But damn it what these folks have done is wrong on so many levels it just staggers the imagination. Matt Gutman is an asshole. What a jerk to go along as a willing accomplice…. for what — Ratings? Exclusives? There is a place in hell for what these folks have done to George Zimmerman and to Witness 8.

    How to get them all *outed* is dependent on two things.

    #1.) West/O’Mara’s keen intellect and capacity to use the PCA framework to ask W8 on the stand how this all was put together. It will be objected to and they need to have pre-scripted responses to the objections. (Of course this assumes MOM and West want to do this for George)

    #2.) The truth from inside the M-DSPD reaching sunlight. {I’ve got that aspect. I pray}

    If both of these can be accomplished the case will be dismissed – it will have to be.

    But the viewing audience does not know the construct of the scheme like we do or like West/O’Mara does. That’s why the questioning on the stand becomes so darned important.

    Immediately following the finished testimony of Witness #8, ask for a recess and DEPOSE CRUMP !

    I will write more soon after I listen to the testimony again while showering and fixing a sandwich. However, revisit the post(s) that will fall below this one. They are old but of much significance.

    • Tzar says:

      ain’t nobody got time for that
      the case is in a court room
      and it is what it is
      this tin foil nonsense is a waste of time
      Dee Dee is there to do one thing fill in part of the blank in the states narrative of that night’s events and the linear aspects of their theory of the crime, she is a small part; If they stopped with her they could not convict. They have forensics/gps data/fogen’s history and emails and most likely a few surprises to complete their case.

    • Woow! says:

      lets see what the defense line of questioning will be tomorrow

    • Puck says:

      He is so full of shit. He’s the Orly Taitz of this case, or perhaps Donald Trump whose investigators in Hawaii were close to finding something on the president.

    • Nef05 says:

      Sumpin’s wrong wit him.

      No, seriously. Something’s wrong with him.

    • KA says:

      He is mentally ill and paranoid. This post alone should be admittance to an in patient facility.

    • Malisha says:

      OK, this guy has shot himself out of the cannon of his own fired-up delusions. But considering the tone of what he wrote above, I would say he is actually manic right now and dangerous. I hope the LEOs wherever he really IS will be mindful of the fact that he believes he is about to crush a giant conspiracy. Someone like that on the cusp of his own psychotic imaginings can be very dangerous.

    • cielo62 says:

      Rachael!~ Oh my ever lovin’ sausage on a stick! Does this man TAKE drugs for this insanity or does he get it naturally? Is this the script for a made-for-TV Heroes episode?? What an absolute looney tunes!!


    • kllypyn says:

      I*n other words he is going to make up more fairy tales. i see a law suit in his future.

      • kllypyn says:

        just like the crap about trayvon having a suppressed criminal record. Stuff he would have no way of knowing about. he’s nothing but a liar and he will be needing a lawyer soon.

    • dianetrotter says:

      I’m speechless! This is pure idiocy.

      • Rachael says:

        It has been rather progressive, but the last few days just WAAAAAY over the top – he mentions no sleep, and someone said something about manic and believe me, no sleep when you are having a manic episode is really dangerous and scary.

      • Malisha says:

        Lack of sleep is the final gateway to actual florid MANIA. They need to watch that guy. Don’t let him near the courthouse or near Rachel when she returns to Miami.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      You need to tell the State & the Feds about this plot! We don’t need 2 dead teens!

    • SearchingMind says:

      Hey Rach, pls. post a warning before posting something like this in the future, would ya? My lungs are hurting after loooong rounds of laughs. I might get epilepsy if that happens again. I think Sundance Cracker ran out of his meds. And he just confirmed that West got beaten yesterday – by a girl. They are getting desperate over there. Dee Dee not only took the stand, she actually beat West. The “treepers” are stunned.

      (posted earlier under the wrong comment)

    • Girlp says:

      Zimmerman needs to share his meds with this guy he is out of control.

  73. diary73 says:

    I am really getting tired of the childish play on FB using Rachel’s likeness along with ridiculing captions. I got into a heated posting war with a friend of mine who forwarded one such post. I am usually quite dignified in my way, even on social media. Today, I wasn’t so nice.

    I will not post what he wrote, but below are my three responses to his childishness. I think I will stay off FB for a while.

    1. This young lady is having to endure some sleezy crap from the defense. She is holding her own and being truthful. Leave her the eff alone! Please.

    2. She may not have counsel. She has probably never been in a courtroom. She is afraid and out of her element. The prosecution can not re raise her. They cannot put words in her mouth, and she does not have he means to travel to Sanford at will to be “coached” by the prosecution. All she did was tell the truth, and West tried to beat her down. You are welcome to disagree, of course, but I applaud her for holding her own for the most part against that bully West. Her life will be impacted forever because of this. Something she did not ask for. We as adults do not need to feed the racists who have been doxing and bullying her for over a year. Justice for Trayvon!

    3. To think she should have done better is one thing… to perpetuate the bullying is another. We are better than that.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      diary, you know how to tell it! Right on!

    • MichelleO says:

      This is too serious a subject matter to even be subjecting oneself to the TreeNuts or right-wing media at all. I wouldn’t even go there. At times like these I armor up, and shall not be moved.

    • cielo62 says:

      diary~ HERE HERE! Maybe it’s time for UNfriending… 😉


    • dianetrotter says:

      Great responses! I posted a broadcast link because I saw several comments. I told them it is powerful to hear her tell what happened.

    • SearchingMind says:

      Hey Rach, pls. post a warning first before posting something like this in the future, would ya? My lungs are hurting after loooong rounds of loud laughs. I might get epilepsy if that happens again. I think Sundance Cracker ran out of his meds. And he just confirmed that West got beaten yesterday – by a girl.

  74. Xena says:

    Among Rachael’s testimony of what Trayvon told her and what she heard, I also heard her communicate something to the judge and jury; i.e., West deliberately frustrated her when scheduling the continuation of her deposition.

    Here is a 19 yr old high school junior. She has school, homework, a social life. Regardless of her age, she is still a high school student who West required to arrange a schedule as if she is an independent adult.

    West.made.things.personal. and tomorrow, Rachael might just turn into Madea on West’s ass.

    • Deborah Moore says:

      Wow, that would be something.
      Or, it could become something else.
      It’s a page-turner, for sure.
      (My husband who works from home and my 19 year old son came out and watched with me for several hours.)
      It’s incredibly compelling, historic in terms of potential changes in laws, and deeply personal and emotional.
      I have to buy a new box of tissues, okay?

    • Tee says:

      @ Xena you are so right. I believe that the relationship between the two was one of contempt from day one, and she let it show on the stand.

      • whonoze says:

        I’m not sure. I have the feeling Rachel is not capable of using “Mr. Don” ironically. She’s more direct than that, more authentic. I think her attitude swings with the context of the moment, and she didn’t get genuinely PO’ed at West until he droned on talking AT her. E.g. I think she was genuinely surprised he didn’t know anything about “First 48,” not running smack on him. Her thought process is not that sophisticated.

      • Xena says:

        @Tee. I heard Rachael say, Hey! You came all the way to Miami to depose Trayvon’s brother, but wanted to make another additional trip to depose me although I was available.

        And, those of us in the know, know how O’Mara and West have said they lacked money for this, and that, and that and this. Whether by train, plane or automobile, one trip taking care of business in Miami is less expensive than several trips.

      • Rachael says:

        I loved it when she said “Mr. Don” whether she knew irony or not, it was great.

      • Rachael says:

        You remember that first day of questioning and one of the witnesses asked West if he had kids and he said yes? I truly feel sorry for them. He doesn’t seem to have a clue about teenagers. Not that any of us do when they are teens LOL but seriously, considering not just her age but all she has been through, I think she was amazing!

    • groans says:

      West made things personal because RACHEL GOT TO HIM!

      It was supposed to be the other way around, in the World According to Don West.

      But, no. She got under his skeletal skin cover! 😆

  75. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Can anyone think of a supportive song for Rachael?

      • groans says:

        MichelleO – I vote for your second entry (below), “Can’t Touch This”!!

        If Rachel plays that several times tonight, with the volume turned up loud, and dances around to it, she will be healed and strong tomorrow!!

        (It’s already worked for me! I keep hitting “replay” and don’t want to stop it.)


    • Trained Observer says:

      Would Rachel (Dee-Dee) not like We Are the World?

      There comes a time when we heed a certain call
      When the world must come together as one
      There are people dying
      And its time to lend a hand to life
      The greatest gift of all

      We can’t go on pretending day by day
      That someone, somehow will soon make a change
      We are all a part of Gods great big family
      And the truth, you know,
      Love is all we need

      We are the world, we are the children
      We are the ones who make a brighter day
      So lets start giving
      There’s a choice we’re making
      We’re saving our own lives
      Its true we’ll make a better day
      Just you and me

      Send them your heart so they’ll know that someone cares
      And their lives will be stronger and free
      As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
      So we all must lend a helping hand


      When you’re down and out, there seems no hope at all
      But if you just believe there’s no way we can fall
      Let us realize that a change can only come
      When we stand together as one

    • whonoze says:

      From Rachel to Mr. Don.

    • whonoze says:

      From Rachel to Mr. Don:

  76. MichelleO says:

    I applaud Rachel, she’s a stand up chick.

  77. Dee says:

    Professor, I have to say that I am so glad that you could see into her soul, even though her court Etiquette. Because blacks have been conditioned to stay away from trouble that would end them up in court well at least the majority, there is to many blacks in jail for things
    they haven’t down. So to put a 19-year-old into a situation that she is not or did not want to be in was very difficult. That is why she said ”you don’t know” you just don’t know. How she is feeling to know she was the last person to talk to Trayvon when he couldn’t even say good-bye to his own mother and father. That is a lot for a kid to have to bear. However, I think that Trayvon helped her get the most important part out concerning him, and the rest she got lost because she was having a hard time comprehending what West was asking her. Nevertheless, I think through it all she said what everyone else was saying Zimmerman hunted Trayvon down and had Trayvon to have to continue to move to stay away from Zimmerman. I think that the Judge understood it was a lot of pressure on her. This is why she didn’t say anything. And when have you ever heard a Judge allow all of what she had done in court, without telling her something or even putting her out of the court. So I think they got her and got what they need to hear from her, and that was someone who was Zimmerman was following Trayvon and he asked Zimmerman what you want, why are your following me. That is all we needed to know because Zimmerman said Trayvon came up on him.

    • bettykath says:

      I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you speak of her court etiquette. She answered questions. She got a bit feisty at times but that’s ok. I don’t recall her being disrespectful of the judge and as for spanking West, as long as no one objects, there is nothing for the judge to say. I suspect the judge even had a smile hidden somewhere in her robes.

      West objected to his own question but I’m not sure what that was about. “You can’t do that” said the judge. Sidebar.

      • Nef05 says:

        LOL, that was Classic. Rachel had West so discombobulated he objected to his own question!

        As they say on “Foolishness and Fuckery” (one of my favorite FB pgs) – “Where dey do dat at?”

      • dianetrotter says:

        Probably more distrust than anything else. Look what happened to innocent Trayvon and people made a hero of Zimmerman.

      • KittySP says:

        @bettykath, I couldn’t agree more what you say about JN secretly smiling. Lol. Wouldn’t it be great if every time West got out of line…she could respond, “Are you listening to me?”… I find myself experiencing two emotions…hysterical laughter, of her refusal to back down from Don, and deep sadness as I thinks of what this young woman had had to endure.

        And Bernie, “ok, let me make sure we got that”…”you said, CREEPY ASS CRACKER”, Priceless!

      • Nellie Nell says:

        My favorite from Judge Nelson to West – “SIT DOWN!” As he pretended to suddenly not be able to see the witness stand from where he’s been sitting since the start of the trial!


    • Rachael says:

      It isn’t hard to see into her soul. She has a good soul and she has no problem putting it out there for everyone to see. She is genuine through and through.

  78. Girlp says:

    Thanks Professor, I agree totally, Rachel had enough of West she’s been through a lot and feeling guilt and sorrow she is grieving and has done nothing to feel guilty about. Rachel’s story did not change she told what she heard, she does not appear to have been coached and Lord I wish could deal with her guilt she did nothing wroing Zimmerman did.

  79. bettykath says:

    I think it’s also significant that Rachel said something along the lines of “heavy breathing”. I don’t remember the exact words but they suggest that fogen had been running.

    Rachel did very well today. While it was hard to hear and understand her at the beginning of her testimony, it became much easier to understand her later on. One thing that West help establish, Rachel has a good memory. She also doesn’t like being jerked around because of someone else’s scheduling problems. Loved that call out.

    • Girlp says:

      Bet JN would wishes she was able to tell West he did not have 2 hours to queston anyone.

    • Puck says:

      There was laughter in the courtroom when, referring to the Friday deposition the defense canceled, she said something to the effect of “then why didn’t you do it Thursday?” I love her.

      • Girlp says:

        She was right and that’s how it’s been the entire 15 months, they procrastanate for some reason.

    • dianetrotter says:

      It goes along with the breathing on the NEN.

    • KittySP says:

      Bettykath, she called it “hard breathing” man.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      Yes, she called him out many times! She made me laugh, cry and give her high fives during her testimony. She was so believable with her teenaged attitude that we are all familiar with. For those mommies on the jury, they will recognize that for what it is and maybe even imagine their children in Rachel’s shoes while being badgered by West.

      Why the hell does he need to question a witness for 4 to 5 hours? He repeats himself relentlessly that it sickens me. The questioning rarely leads into another question.

      West has no control over this witness as she will not only answer the question that he wants answered, but she also goes into details. Her ability to remember dates and times is remarkable!

      • Ms.X says:

        I so agree with you about west being allowed to ask the same questions repeatedly. I also think that the prosecution needs to help out more. How about an objection once in a while?

  80. racerrodig says:

    Very powerful post Professor. I’m sure the common sense factor is at work with the jury. The more obnoxious and condescending West is, the more the jury is likely to think he’s an obnoxious, condescending shit.

    His inability to even acknowledge her loss will alienate the jury of that I have no doubt. His focusing on her missing the wake makes him look like a sadist. I have an ex-sister in law who simply cannot attend funerals, so I can see her point.

    • DruDo says:

      I can understand your ex-sis in law’s and Rachel’s feelings. My mom died when I was 19, and after the funeral, when it was time to take her to the cemetery, I could NOT go because I couldn’t bear to see that final thing. My kind, loving, understanding brother and aunt took me home and stayed with me. I was unable to even go to the cemetery for a long, long time. 19 is so young and when you lose someone you truly care about, you just don’t what to do with those overwhelming, profound feelings of loss, so, some just tuck it away deep inside until it’s “safe” to confront it. Someday, Rachel will remember the good times with Trayvon, smile and be glad she knew him. And, West is an a**hole and has not an ounce of decency in him.

  81. Trained Observer says:

    While focus centered on Dee-Dee today (and no doubt tomorrow), I’m of the belief jurors went to hotel rooms tonight thinking more of Jane (Witness 18) — extraordinarily poised and precise on the stand, while coming unhinged with emotion during her extended 911 call. Her curiosity at aggressive shouting turned to horror as she saw “the boy” left for dead on the grass,

    Here was the first witness to Trayvon’s murder heard from at trial, and she (along with Leo) brought it home. We could almost hear him meow his support for how it was. We should not underestimate her impact on jurors.

    As I side note, I can’t help but think BDLR is conducting a little value-added seminar for jurors on leading questions. On occasion, he’s asked them, immediately correcting himself before the Defense Dufuses have moved to object. He apologizes, identifying what he’s just done as what it was — leading question.

    Before long, jurors will know them when they hear them (if not already), and that won’t bode well for the Defense when it attempts to present its side in a coherent manner. .

  82. Unabogie says:

    I almost never watch cable news but it was on at the gym and CNN was on. Everyone on the panel said that she was odd, irritable, annoyed, and a little immature, but they all found her sincere. Even the woman on there as the “defense” side of the usual cable garbage accepted her version of events but said it didn’t matter because self-defense, fear of bodily harm, blah, blah, blah. The point is that she came across as sincere because she obviously was. The idea that she was coached is ludicrous. Can you imagine trying to teach that poor girl a script to recite on command?

    I’ve often heard that Zimmerman could not be lying because he’s not smart enough to concoct a coherent lie. But this young lady somehow told a story that tracks perfectly with both Zimmerman and the physical evidence. She’s telling the truth.

    With attitude.

    • Trained Observer says:

      I look forward to more ‘tude tomorrow.

    • Rachael says:

      And her story doesn’t change over and over again. Yeah, she may be a little rough around the edges, but that only lends to her credibility. And if she did come across as irritable and annoyed, first of all I’m sure she was and also, the poor girl is scared and hurt and trying desperately to not show it. And how many people tell a “lie” to get out of a work cocktail party or something – her reason for not going to the funeral makes much more sense, as well as not wanting to see Trayvon’s parents. She’s totally eaten up with guilt. So is little Austin. Here are these kids carrying adult burdens (and there is no doubt in my mind that had Austin not gone in to his sister, he’d be dead right along side Trayvon), of guilt when they did NOTHING wrong, but the monster (gotta disagree with you Mr. West, there IS a monster here, and you are part of it for defending it) did and felt nothing – and still does and feels nothing.

      • Don’t think I’m warp, but the reason I believe her is the creep you know what comment. No lawyer or somebody who advising her would coach her to say that. I think that exactly what Trayvon told her. He was scared some dude was following him.

      • aussie says:

        yep, my first thought at the cracka/nigga was NO WAY SHE WAS COACHED. In fact a couple of the stops and starts in Crump’s
        first interview may have been caused precisely to get her to “tone it down”. She’s told it all as it was, warts and all, no political correctness. Totally authentic.

        Nonsense the comments about “respect for the court” and proper court behaviour. There is nothing sacred about a court that should cause a witness to tolerate being abused. She didn’t jump out of the box and throttle West, did she? I think the jury appreciated her courage in standing up to West — they’d each been subjected to his rambling repetitons too.

      • Nellie Nell says:

        So far there hasn’t been anyone that has not become annoyed with the defense. The others have been more composed and less vocal about it, but I do not remember any of them not becoming annoyed with the defense. All of the witnesses from yesterday were annoyed at some point. The teacher was highly annoyed but very professional about her annoyance.

        So while Rachel is not as composed, she is fitting in with the rest of the witnesses on testimony and annoyance!


    • DruDo says:

      Fogen is neither smart or intelligent, but he is sly and cunning.

    • cielo62 says:

      unabogie~ Well, gz ISN’T smart enough to tell convincing lies. That’s why he has some 7 or 8 versions of his story.


    • Nellie Nell says:

      Didn’t she write the letter to Sybrina (had not given it to her yet) before the interview with Crump? She explained that, but West act like the letter did not exist. That was her way of doing her part and expressing her guilt without coming face-to-face with Sybrina. I think she said a friend passed on on to Sybrina before or at the Wake.

  83. Jun says:

    This is my observation

    Omara and West confuse the witnesses a lot with nonsensical questions and leading

    I have heard the witnesses repeatedly say “I do not understand your question”

    I also notice that Omara is still trying to push the 12 year old boy pictures theory LMAO

    Well, one thing is for sure, she saw Fogen and knows what he looks like, hence, she can say for sure, Fogen was on top

    • Rachael says:

      But that is a good thing – because if he confuses the witnesses and even confuses himself to the point he objects to his own objections, it is very possible he is confusing the jury too and confusion = doubt.

      • Jun says:

        I guess so, but I am confused by West’s points he is trying to make, and I completely understand what the witnesses are saying and i understand what the state is saying

        I dont know how he is confusing the jury, other than the points West is trying to make

        The witnesses are very straight forward in what they testify

  84. Mojo says:

    Great summary!

    It smacks you right up side the head as to the reality of the terror Trayvon experienced in his final seconds of earthly life.

    It also reveals the reality of what a lowlife, piece-of-shit, sociopathic coward that George Zimmerman is.

    We also have a pathetic portion of our population that has bought into GZ as a hero or some type of beacon for their cause… whether that be gun rights, race hate, or both. It’s sad. I think so many of us wanted to believe we’re much further down the road than we were 50-60 years ago. I weep for that kid.

    • Thanks, but I forgot to mention the defendant’s attempted theft of Trayvon’s voice by claiming it to be his own.

      At some point, each juror will reach that conclusion and some of them may have reached it today.

      Unfortunately, we only get occasional opportunities to observe the defendant’s reaction to harmful testimony.

      This guy had a remarkable absence of response to emotional testimony.

      During the 30 years that I tried cases, I noticed that jurors were independently monitoring my client’s reaction, or lack of reaction to emotional testimony. The point is that there is a lot more going on in the courtroom at any given time than just a witness testifying.

      Whether the defendant decides to testify or remain silent, his nonverbal reactions are being monitored more or less constantly by jurors and the same applies to his lawyers and their interaction with him.

      Some defense lawyers have little or no interest in their client as a human being. To them the client is little more than a chess piece in a sophisticated game of three dimensional Gotcha! that they play for their greater glory. They need to learn that the jury is more interested in the client than the lawyer.

      At the opposite extreme, some have too much compassion that occasionally compromises their objectivity resulting in unwise tactical decisions.

      Finding the perfect balance between those two extremes and maintaining it over the long term is difficult.

      With Mark O’Mara and Don West we are seeing two lawyers who exhibit a shoot-it-if-it-moves approach to cross examination. Strategic thinking, empathy and concern about juror opinions regarding them and what they are doing are not apparent.

      Mark O’Mara’s defining characteristics appear to be using lies to manipulate and intimidate others into giving him what he wants.

      West’s defining characteristics appear to be arrogance, a bad temper, and an abiding love for hearing himself talk.

      Both have also demonstrated substantial prejudice against and lack of respect for blacks and women.

      Behold: Karma has a sense of humor (female judge, all female jury, and many critical witnesses who are women.

      The gods are laughing at them.

      • dianetrotter says:

        Do you think Angela Corey would have tried murder 1 if she had known how the testimony would come together? To cold bloodly shoot someone who is begging for his life is beyond comprehension.

      • groans says:

        Thank you for this reply, Professor! This is the kind of “inside” insight that I yearn for from your blog.

        We’re basically all “on the same page” here, but you’re the one we need to hear from in order to anchor our perceptions to some foundation of reality – in order to gauge whether this is “justice as usual” or “justice abused” or something in between.

        I’ve been wondering whether you think there’s something more that the State could be doing to protect their witnesses? Or is this pretty much the way things go.

      • Dennis says:

        “Mark O’Mara’s defining characteristics appear to be using lies to manipulate and intimidate others into giving him what he wants.

        West’s defining characteristics appear to be arrogance, a bad temper, and an abiding love for hearing himself talk.”

        Appearances can be deceiving, Professor.

      • Nellie Nell says:

        I was confused when West gave Rachel the call log with the 6 or 7 calls stamped with times and then began to question her about a time that was not stamped on the visual aid that he’d given her. She’s no dummy. Before he even started with a time not listed, she told the court that the record was not complete. I kept thinking, why give her a visual aid, read them aloud and then ask about something not listed? It did not make sense to me and I am sure the jury felt likewise.

        He appeared to be and idiot to me. He is far from impressive and the jury is watching.

      • MedicineBear says:

        The Goddesses are laughing at them too!

        BTW, Professor, can fogen’s public Hannity interview be submitted as evidence in this trial?

      • gblock says:

        If they were to submit part or all of the Hannity interview as evidence, what witness would they call in connection with the evidence? One of the producers? Or Hannity himself?

      • Malisha says:

        Dennis, pretty heather colored avatar. Did you make it yourself?

  85. Tee says:

    I find it crazy if anyone believe that it was GZ was yelling for help. Jus put your hand over your mouth & scream now tell me how did it sound? He ca’t have it both ways

  86. TheJBMission says:

    Thank you Professor for all that you do.

    …the next witness in the box was Rachel Jeantel (AKA: Dee Dee), a badly wounded emotional tower of strength who was determined to speak the truth, no matter how painful that might be

    Exactly. I love this girl. She kindhearted yet spunky. I loved it when she called West “Mr. Don”. hahaha..
    She’s so believable because she has no agenda. That little fib MOM and DW were trying to use to ruin her credibility went right down the drain. Hearing her explain why she lied had me in tears. the treehouse.
    God bless her.

    • disappointed says:

      JBMission I too was in tears. I do believe her. I think beating her up for being “disrespectful” to the court is just ignorant. I doubt any adullts took the time to explain court room behavior. They only worried about what they needed from her. I feel extremely bad for the way she is treated.

    • cielo62 says:

      JBMission~ In my experience, Hispanics don’t do wakes and viewings. I was invited to the wake of a co-worker’s husband, and I could NOT make myself view the body. I understood her right away.


    • Ms.X says:

      What I observed from the media regarding support of DD is that, again, people were really divided along race/class, liberal/conservative lines. I didn’t see or seek out any media that was going to blatantly disrespect her, but some people made references to it being done. I can only imagine. I read a tweet saying she has been the subject of doxing, which involves computer savy individuals doing exhaustive computer searches on you until they find you, then they publish your personal information. I had never heard of it before. She has many supporters. Many feel sorry for her. Some AA’s are embarassed by her. I will be sending her my strongest prayers and best vibes today. I pray there was someone to talk to her last night and explain some things to her. It is very, very unfortunate that she didn’t receive better coaching, that someone didn’t explain the game to her, cause thats what it is. I’m wondering if MOM won’t take over the cross today, because he could make her lose control more quickly. In the minds of her non-supporters, she deserves what she gets because shes a liar.

  87. Somewhere in line…….

  88. disappointed says:

    Fred thank you for your thoughts on what happened today. I think this young lady is terrified. A blog of stalkers, two mean men who defend her friends killer and trying to do the right thing for the parents of her friend. I loved when she said something about First 48 hours. You know when the police call the last person who talked to the deceased. If only.
    I think she needs counseling. I truly believe her guilt runs deep. She said more than once she thought Trayvon’s father was home and he would “rescue” Trayvon. My words, but basically what she said. The people who have no respect for Trayvon because he is a black teen thug? Make me sick. They defend a killer who has lived a life of crime (although never gets nailed down for 1 crime) does not pay his bills (something most republicans hate about lower income families) But no big deal for this guy cause he is their hero! I think I need to move to another country. Americans are making me sick. Or everyone from this blog needs to claim our own State. I insist on electric fence to keep shifty eyed people out!

    • Deborah Moore says:

      On the other hand, many wonderful things happened today.
      DOMA, throwing out the Prop 8 issue.
      And, the prosecution made many points today. And, the witnesses did not let West mess with them.
      Humans are what they are, but today was a Good Day.
      Herbal Tea, dear. Or, something.

      • disappointed says:

        Deborah I am good. No tea needed. I have just spent the last couple of hours listening to my husbands associates talk about this girl and Trayvon. They are the Republicans I speak of us. I hope not to offend any here. I vote all over the place, so no stones being thrown.

        • cielo62 says:

          disappointed~ So… what did they say? Did they split a seam about the death of DOMA? Do they think gz is a murdering scum coward? Inquiring minds want to know!


      • Deborah Moore says:

        I’m glad to hear that.
        I actually had a cleansing rant episode on the phone earlier and feel better now, myself.
        Good on ya.

      • concernedczen says:

        One more wonderful thing… Maria Sharapova losing at Wimbledon!

    • ladystclaire says:

      @disappointed, You took the words as well as the very same thought out of my mind/mouth. some people in this country and, we all know who they are, make no damn bones about how they feel about a people who NEVER ASKED TO COME HERE, to the precious country that their ancestors stole from the very first people to settle here.

      I wish so much that I could leave this country and, never come back. these people think that just because they have taken from some and, used others, that GOD made them boss over all. not true, not true. and, oh how soon we forget 9/11. the country didn’t unite as one then and, it NEVER will. not as long as we have people who can feel nothing but hatred for an innocent 17 year old AA child.

      Other countries are watching this case and, they see the racist hatred in this country and, we better believe they are talking and, it’s not good either.

      • vickie s. votaw says:

        What good is it to be allowed to marry who you want when by gerrymandering & voter intimidation you will not be able to vote.

      • Ms.X says:

        Ladystclaire, I also want to emmigrate even knowing that racism & imperialism are pretty much everywhere. There are places where the racism isn’t as pervasive. My sister is in Australia right now & she likes it, but they aren’t without racial issues. From my experience, with certain exceptions, the racism may be institutionalized but the people aren’t as angry & hate-filled. I was really scared in Germany because when I was there, some nazi’s thru an African man off of the Ubahn & killed him. I was scared some nazis were going to run up on me and I wouldn’t know what they were talking about. There are also a lot of swatstikas in Spain for some reason. The men are very sexist there. I’ve never been to Japan, but they have a lot of Sambo references. The leaders of Japan & China believe that AA’s are a drain on the USA. I might not mind Canada, but after 20 yrs in Houston, I don’t really want to live in the cold. The super cold is out. My mom & sister really like Figi if you would be able to live a very, very slow, somewhat off the grid existance. It really all comes down to your financial resources as well. Money talks everywhere.

      • My people came here when the people who stole their land saw a massive famine as a way of clearing that land of the original inhabitants. They came here to a country where no one wanted them. That was a long time ago. We all need to get over what happened to our forebears and get on with making this the kind of place where all our children can grow and thrive.

  89. Woow! says:

    Professor what will happen if Rachel do not show up for court tomorrow?

    • whonoze says:

      She has legal representation. People are looking out for her. She’ll show up.

    • Judy75201 says:

      No idea. But I do know that West was chomping at the bit for her to say yes, LOL. He so wants to discredit this witness. Problem is, she isn’t even close to being the most important witness so far.

      “Was the person on top the one who stood up?” “YES”.

      And there are SO many more witnesses to go.

      • amsterdam1234 says:

        The only person West managed to discredit, was himself.

      • Nellie Nell says:

        MOM also tried to trip Mrs. Mananlo as he kept stating about her going outside! She had to keep telling him that she did not go outside. You have to listen carefully to that pair of idiots who think they are going to win this case by making “liars” out of everyone – the physical and forensic evidence does not lie AND no one lies more than their client and even themselves!

        Rachel’s story is the same story that was told by the many other witnesses of the day!

  90. Rachael says:

    Beautiful Professor. Yes, it was a very emotional day, but worth it because Justice is near.

  91. Deborah Moore says:

    Poignant reflections. Thank you, Fred.
    What a day, huh? And, I understand there are other big going ons at your house. All best wishes to you and Rachel – tell her Hey for me – and best wishes for the weekend.

  92. boyd says:

    Thank You Professor. I think the Jurors could sympathize with her dealing with West.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Outstanding, Bravo Professor.

      You expressed so much of what I was observing and feeling today. *tears*

    • Trained Observer says:


    • Rachael says:

      I’m pretty sure they were feeling the exact same way.

    • DruDo says:

      “Sadistic little game”. Absolutely! West is a sadistic little Pr**k.

    • Jen says:

      As a teacher of students with special needs, I feel for Rachel.To have to sit on a witness stand and be forced to answer questions over and over must be torture for her. I was so angry when West asked her to read that document. She was clearly frustrated after having been told to read it. I feel as though West knows Rachel is learning disabled and is preying on her weakness. This whole “take your time” and standing over her as she reads. I don’t have concrete evidence that she is L.D but from her speech, the way she holds her mouth, and mannerisms, she reminds me of a lot of my learning disabled students. Despite her limitations, I think she did a decent job but she is going to cause the state some points for depicting Martin as a user of derogatory language. It’s already an uphill battle to humanize him in the mind of the jurors due to his skin color and Zimm’s narrative, now the prosecution has to surmount the fact that he referred to Zim as a “Cracker” and “Nigga.”

      • tashatexas77048 says:

        Indeed you’re correct however it makes West look cruel to badger this girl who clearly is telling the truth about the good and the bad. What they should take away from her testimony is that Trayvon tried to avoid a conflict with the “creep” while Zimmerman sought out conflict with the “asshole” and “punk” and with a gun to boot.

        They cant make Skittles as bad as a gun no matter how hard they try. Indeed a creep cannot be toppled with Skittles so its best to run and thats what Martin did.

      • gblock says:

        I agree with you about Rachel, although I’m not positive. I think that she might be LD or mildly Asperger’s or both. It explains things like her being somewhat behind in school, lack of social graces (not trying to make herself look good and not trying to hide her impatience), her cluelessness about the fine points of how the justice system works, and her seeming to get confused easily by West’s questions. To be sure, all of those things have other possible explanations, but it kind of fits.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      Thanks Professor.

      You have said exactly what my mind was speaking to me as Rachel testified. 16, 18 or 19, she is honest about what her conversation with Trayvon was even if we do not like it. She was also raw and honest about the exchange that she heard between Trayvon and his killer. So whether she went to the hospital or Wake, does not change what she has said from day one about Trayvon’s last words. Today, I am going to pray that her Higher Power takes control as West tortures her for another 2 hours with his pointless repeating of the same questions over and over and over again.

      With all that has been said by all witnesses so far – There was no head banging on the sidewalk. They were not witnessed on or near the sidewalk by anyone so far. There was no blood found on the sidewalk.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      West should be brought up on charges for what he is doing to this girl.

    • jm says:

      Hope the jurors find West as an annoying snake up to no good like I do.

      Watched HLN shows last night with commentators split on their impression of Dee-Dee. One very insightful person commented that Dee-Dee was being judged by her dialect and her appearance and that was unfair because what she had to say and said consistently was Trayvon said he was being followed.

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