Opening statements in the Zimmerman trial today

Monday, June 24, 2013

Good morning:

Opening statements are scheduled to begin at 9 am EDT, but they probably will not start before 9:15 because both sides are going to want to get a ruling from Judge Nelson before opening statements on the defense argument that several statements by the defendant after the shooting to W13 and the police are admissible pursuant to the res gestae exception to the hearsay rule.

She previously granted the State’s motion in limine to exclude all of the defendants statements after the shooting on the ground that they were self-serving hearsay. The statements at issue today were excluded pursuant to that ruling. Therefore, the defense cannot mention them in their opening statement, unless Judge Nelson reverses her earlier decision regarding these particular statements.

They want to mention the statements during their opening statement because GZ said he killed TRayvon Martin in self-defense.

The State likely will oppose the defense motion with an argument similar to the one that I made in my Friday evening post.

I believe opening statements are extremely important because they provide the first and only opportunity for each side to explain their respective theories of the case to the jury and briefly discuss the supporting evidence. Many lawyers compare an opening statement to a road map. If a lawyer makes a good opening statement, jurors will have a good overview of the case and the evidence that will be presented. If a lawyer makes a bad opening statement, the jurors will be confused and not know what to expect.

An opening statement should not exceed 20 minutes. Therefore, clarity and brevity are important. Detail, not so much.

An opening statement is not an argument. For that reason you will hear the lawyers often say, “We expect the evidence will show ABC or XYZ.

If a lawyer starts arguing what the evidence means, you should expect opposing counsel to object.

Prior to opening statements, Judge Nelson will instruct the jury that the remarks of counsel are not evidence.

Evidence consists of the testimony of the witnesses and the exhibits admitted by Judge Nelson.

I am hoping the State will mention what the evidence will show about GZ’s phone calls before and after he killed Trayvon.

Bernie de la Rionda (BDLR) has to decide whether to introduce any of the defendant’s statements during the State’s case in chief or save them for rebuttal.

He could do it either way, but the less he introduces during his case in chief, the more likely GZ will testify.

Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.


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2,753 Responses to Opening statements in the Zimmerman trial today

  1. gbrbsb says:

    GZlegalcase uploaded the timeline Defence (West) used for opening statement which I am posting here as it may be easier to find it if needed. It may be an idea to post the day’s items and/or evidence posted and videos on the day they occur for quick access.

  2. Tzar says:

    Gattdamn, Mantai is nailing this shit right the fuck down

    lol forgive my language
    good legal arguments make me randy 🙂

  3. Tzar says:

    Wow a juror got struck unduly
    who wants to bet that the defense made up that facebook page that got the black juror struck?

  4. Dave says:

    IIRC the Professor checked in briefly yesterday alluding to a bird-related problem. I hope everything works out all right.

  5. crazy1946 says:

    Has anyone started a pool about when the defense team will force Judge Nelson to declare a mis-trial? I will predict next Monday will be the day….. They are not trying for an acquittal for the Fogdiot, their only hope is to drag this case out for as long as necessary until people disengage from paying attention to it (their hope, not mine)!

    • cielo62 says:

      Sorry crazy but you are crazy if you think that is going to happen! Or else you are not familiar with trials. No reason at all for a mis-trial. I’d take your bet but I don’t like to steal money.


      • crazy1946 says:

        I accept your statement, however I do respectfully disagree! Perhaps you don’t understand the difference between a simple bet and a pool where you estimate what will happen and the time frame that it could happen within. So it is your contention that a mistrial could not happen due to gross acts of willful negligence on the part of the defense attorneys?

        • cielo62 says:

          crazy~ the only sure-fire way to get a mistrial is through JURY misconduct. The lawyers pretty much don’t count. The judge could slap contempt of court on them, fine them and reprimand them, but that doesn’t usually result in a mistrial. I just don’t see that (mistrial) happening.


  6. crazy1946 says:

    8:30, Has anyone heard from the Professor?

  7. chi1224 says:

    Good morning everybody. Does anyone know what time court starts today? Is it 8:30 or 9:00?

  8. Leisa says:

    Good morning folks! Day 2. Ready….

  9. Patricia says:

    Riders up for day 2!!!! Justice for trayvon and family!

  10. crazy1946 says:

    Have you ever sat and thought about what it would really take to see justice in this case? What is justice, and how can it even exist in a corrupt society such as the one we live in today? Perhaps we will see the conviction of this murderer and think justice has be done. However, I will not consider justice to be complete until we find a way to stop this type of murder from happening again. Hate is a good weapon that has been used to control people since the start of time. When we can find a way to remove and banish hate from our hearts, then and only then will justice have been served. Ok, enough rambling from this old man….

    • Jun says:

      There’s not much we can do to be real

      WW2 has been over for many years yet people are still racist against people and are Nazis

      It’s long been proven that Chinese people do not steal people’s jobs yet even Trump still pushes that ideal

      Even the cop told Fogen it was not necessary to stalk Trayvon, yet, Fogen did so anyways

      There’s just unbalanced people in society and unfortunately we live with these people in society

    • MedicineBear says:

      Tomayto : Tomahto
      Old Man : Wise Elder

      Keep “rambling” old man because many of us drink from your sage words.

      Our prayers go up that justice in this case will heal not only eons of inhumanity and oppression, but will heal the corrupt soul of our society as well. Aho!

    • cielo62 says:

      Crazy- unfortunately, the “justice” you seek cannot be achieved by external force. You can’t stop people from hating. The best we as a society can do is prosecute it repeatedly until its made understood that it is unacceptable.


      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Yes, cielo!

        This trial is sending a strong message to all would-be vigilantes that such acts of vigilantism WILL be prosecuted.

        And, let us not forget that it OFTEN will require decent Americans to shine the spotlight (and even sign petitions) on such acts to see to it that these vigilantes will face prosecution.

      • crazy1946 says:

        cielo62, I respectfully disagree with you on the how to end hate. You can’t expect prosecution to reach the end result that you expect. If it could you would not see such a large prison population in this country today. The use of “force” to recondition thought patterns has a special meaning to me. Many years ago I had a male German Shepard pup that was quite head strong and refused to learn anything. I took this pup to a trainer that was recommended to me as being very good. After a few weeks, I decided to go see how the training was coming along, unfortunately for me, I suppose, I arrived at his kennel at the wrong time because he was busy training my pup with a stick! After a few words, I proceeded to train the trainer using his methods. After I paid my fine and had taken the pup home, I started working with him using non-violent methods, it took a while but this pup turned out to be one of the most reliable and most trust worthy dogs I have ever owned. Perhaps the point that I would like to make is that the methods we have used for many years have not worked, and it is time to change course and use other means to resolve the problem? Now, it is time for me to retreat back under my rock and get ready to watch round two of the trial? Have a good day, try to keep your emotions in check (computers cost too much to replace on a daily basis ;_0

  11. Jun says:

    Okay so the 911 Fogen calls are in?

    • crazy1946 says:

      I would think that they would be allowed to be presented, however, with the way Judge Nelson has been ruling, I would not want to bet the house that they will be….

      • type1juve says:

        I agree, she seems slanted towards the defense to me.

      • Jun says:

        I dont know, but according to how the State argued it, she has to let it in under the Business Records exception to the rule and technically it’s not prior bad acts, because that’s what it says under the rules

        I think it also falls under habits

        • cielo62 says:

          Jun- besides, phone calls cannot be considered prior bad acts. Unless they were prank calls or threatening calls, they just go to pattern.


      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        The prior NEN calls where the suspects escaped before the police arrived SHOULD be allowed in because in gz’s 2-26-12 NEN call, gz said, “They always get away.”

        The state has a right to enter those earlier calls to show that gz had FIRST HAND experience of seeing “those that victimize the neighborhood”(his words) get away before the police arrived each time.

        It also establishes gz’s mounting frustration. Taaffe did say that gz was “mad as hell and wasn’t going to take it anymore.”

    • cielo62 says:

      Jun- that will be established at 8:30am Tuesday.


  12. Jun says:

    West is an slimeball IMO

    Many witnesses stated that Fogen was on top of Trayvon when he shot him, yet, West said it is not possible, because Trayvon was shot in the chest

    And then he goes on about a physically impossible maneuver of Fogen’s scoot from under and him ending up on top of Trayvon

    Then he says that witnesses place the struggle near the T, when he damn well knows, that did not happen and the witnesses said the argument happened south on the back pathway

    Then he tries to explain away the NEN call to fit in the address hunt story and it’s just not possible

    Then he uses DD’s testimony to claim Trayvon confronted Fogen, when her whole testimony was that Fogen kept following and chasing and then caught up, and Trayvon simply asked why Fogen was stalking him, and then Fogen attacked Trayvon, and her testimony is supported by witness 2, 1, 18…

    Then he claims only witness 6 saw anything, when 18 saw the whole thing from confrontation forward

    West’s opening does not follow any logical sense, was longer than needed, and the points easily forgotten

  13. Malisha says:

    Knock Knock.
    Who’s there?
    Boo Who?
    Keep crying; you got a late start but there’s time.

    • Jun says:

      Who the hell starts with such a lame joke after a tragic event where the client is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed the kid, and stalked and profiled the kid and made hostile remarks about the kid before killing him

      • MedicineBear says:

        Someone who thinks this trial is all about the inconvenience that has been caused to fogen and the slithering nest of Zimmtilians. Poor forgey porgy! Boo hoo, their lives have been ruined and YOU just don’t get it!

  14. Nellie Nell says:

    Whew, because I have to work during the day and try to listen whenever I can, I am just now getting done with watching the entire proceedings after work and cooking dinner.

    West is a mess. I just do not understand him, I know that his knock knock joke was not appropriate and should have turned off the jury that have been whisked away from their families for however long this trial will take as he ramble on stumbling over pictures and playing the tapes and wiping his freaking nose on his jacket and repeating himself and just being West! The gun to shot the dog should also sit well with the jury, not!

    MOM and his BS. Trying to get the Martin’s thrown out of the courtroom because the Zimmaliars scurried on out of the courtroom which was funny, but no Mark…. they will stay! I especially liked how he said that the noise heard during the 911 call culd possibly be GZ knocking on his flashlight when crossing Sean. If GZ were not hunting for Trayvon in the dark (as the pictures that West had shown) why the hell would he need a flashlight to work anyways??? Way to go Mark, that just proves that your client was looking for Trayvon with his flashlight in the dark…. I hope the jury picked up on that!

    Anyway, I have to turn in to be at work at 7:30am so it is a good thing that I work from home! I am hoping to be able to at least read you all’s comments to keep me up to date.

    Thanks family

    • MedicineBear says:

      EXACTLY about the flashlight! The flashlight tapping is at the end of the NEN call, WELL AFTER he said “okay” to Sean’s suggestion not to follow the teenager.

      If fogen HAD “stopped following” Trayvon into the very dark dog walk area, and if fogen had indeed been heading back to his truck (that was parked on the street in more light), HE WOULDN’T HAVE NEEDED THE FLASHLIGHT.

      Very incriminating for fogen.

  15. DruDo says:

    I missed most of today, but my sis said Trayvon was described as a football player, a linebacker, by one of the scummy defense lawyers (her words), so they’re trying to make him look like this big, bad, scary athlete who fogen was no match for. Unless I’m mistaken, Trayvon only played Youth football until the age of 14. I hope the pros. point that out.

  16. Trained Observer says:

    Late night entry:

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?


    Gladazz who?

    Gladazz didn’t have to sit through West’s opner, that ‘s who

  17. Two sides to a story says:

    “You can help put an end to media that dehumanizes young Black men like Trayvon and enables a culture in which Black lives are seen as less valuable.”

  18. Rachael says:

    Okay, you guys are just not understanding the whole joke thing (knock-knock joke) with regard to West. Sundance explains:

    What you saw Don West do with the knock-knock joke (albeit stumbly bumbly) was a cognitive reset. When you ask an engaged listening audience (during debate), in this case a jury: “how many pancakes does it take to fill a canoe”? It’s like taking a massive cognitive eraser to a mental white board.

    All prior thoughts are frozen, all ponderings of what you just heard stop; and, most importantly, your focus is unintentionally snapped into position, on the questioner, by the questioner.

    It is a classic old school cognitive reset tool to get people to not only stop thinking about what was previous, but it actually wipes out memory. It’s just the way synapses fire – Awesome job by West regardless of how it made him look.

    I think I’m gonna puke. They can make excuses for ANYTHING.

    • ay2z says:


    • Two sides to a story says:

      For once in his life, Sundance Cracker might actually have a valid point, EXCEPT that West is NO Zen master. He didn’t erase my white board and I doubt it erased the jury’s either.

      • Rachael says:

        Well even if it were true, he kept erasing himself with all his bumbling and stumbling about. Nothing makes me more angry and less attentive than someone inept like that.

    • whonoze says:

      Not synapse reset. Synapse death. Don “The Eraser” West.

    • Malisha says:

      Oh so six jurors listen to something that makes sense and sounds logical and they get it. Then West stands up and says something not only stupid/goofy but irrelevant and inappropriate. Immediately these six jurors forget everything they have heard, everything they know, and everything they have been thinking, and they become putty in West’s hands.

      Hmmm. I guess that IS how it works with six jurors so easily manipulated and so easily “cognitively re-set” by someone like West. And the cops were that way with Fogen. Fogen said, “My wife’s a mess” and Singleton forgot everything including her training as a cop, right? Fogen said, “I mentored kids” and Serino forgot he had shot a kid through the heart, right? Fogen said, “a guy with pajama bottoms was here smoking” and the police forgot standard protocols. And on and on and on. And even Shellie, said “I don’t think we have any money” and it re-set Lester’s cognition.

      Sure! IT WORKS!

      • MedicineBear says:

        Tomorrow Skeletor wants to bond with the jury by opening with a favorite recipe (the jury is all wimmens, and they loves recipes!). What? There won’t be another opening drone tomorrow? Wha . . . ?

    • bydesign2010 says:

      Except I doubt the jurors forgot anything other than Don West needs a dunce cap.

    • Puck says:

      Oh, he’s attempting to try some pseudo-social psychology? Let the resident sociologist respond:

      It’s not a cognitive reset; it’s a destablilization of the setting and discourse, one that today was pulled of very, very badly. The jury’s focus was already in position to listen to West; it did not need to be snapped there. The jarring destabilization created by a crass, offensive, inappropriate joke (for which he semi-apologized after lunch) most probably had the effect of the jurors wondering, “WTF is his deal? If he can be this slimy in his very first statement, what are we in store for? That John Guy was great. What did he say again?”

      So no, Sundance, West created an instant dislike and distrust of him and his integrity, while inadvertently turning the jurors’ reflexive thoughts back to Guy and his awesomeness.

      Come at me, you racist motherfucker. ph34r my mad soci sk1llz.

    • I couldn’t take my eyes of BDLR. BTW I never understood the joke either.

    • Jun says:

      Strictly my opinion and I dont know what the Jurors think, but I think Guy did a good job, was charming, was real, and pointed out all of Fogen’s weak points in a fast and to the point

      West’s opening opened on irrelevant information, a poor joke, and too much long windedness and bore… then he went on about the lies and trying to explain away the NEN call and looked like an idiot… then when the witnesses come in, the jurors will find out that West lied and misrepresented their statements

    • Jun says:

      There’s a reason I call them Tinfoil Hatters

      They do not have mind sets like normal people and they are slightly crazy or batshit crazy

      All that happened was Guy was memorable and they probably dozed off at West

      Guy was straight to the point

      West beat around every bush possible, even the imaginary ones Fogen claims Trayvon hid in LOL

  19. Sophia33 says:

    I am sick of HLN After Dark! Why do I torture myself with this? Why? They never ask the important questions. Like tonight they supposedly recreated the crime scene. They had all of this evidence south of the “T”, yet kept talking about everything happening at the “T”. No one asked, “Why is all of that stuff down there”.

  20. Woow! says:

    I just looked at the first few pages of the NEN call logs for Fogen. On the first page is he following someone in his car (blk Jetta). If so I see why MOM does not want the jury to hear or see this information. That nut case has a history of following people as if he was a cop.

    • MichelleO says:

      The more he got away with, the more emboldened he became. He is so full of pride and arrogance, that this thing just began to build in his mind as a possibility (the killing). Along with his studies in criminal justice, the bouncer positions, fighting with police, speaking like police, and then taking fighting and shooting lessons—this freak was a time bomb just waiting to explode.

      This is absolutely incredible to me. There are people in that community who said that they were afraid of him. I’m surprised that people didn’t come together to report him. But then again, he would have killed someone eventually anyway. Everything he did was building up to it. He was very desirous of such an event happening—and of course he would have the upper hand because he did nightly patrols. And from his nightly patrols he knew the surveillance cameras weren’t working, and he knew all of the areas that didn’t have any light. He was quite willing to take out any individual that he found along those paths.

      • Woow! says:

        “There are people in that community who said that they were afraid of him.”

        Wow I did not know that, I hope some of his neighbors who were afraid of him will get to testify.

      • Malisha says:

        I believe the RTL folks DID get together to complain about him; the SPD refused to listen. Once the lawsuit against THEM gets off the ground we are going to find out stuff that will stretch the boundaries of belief!

      • Woow! says:

        @Malisha lawsuit against SPD or RTL?

      • Malisha says:

        Answer to your question: against SPD and probably te property management company for RTL. AND probably Fogen himself and maybe others. I don’t know enough (may find out more during trial) about who was part of this scheme to set up Fogen as a warlord in Sanford.

    • ay2z says:

      Do you have a date for the call above? Link? Could add that into the video with the evidence number if it gets into evidence.

      Should we keep a running tab on the evidence entered at trial, they said today how many items were expected approx. ?

    • Malisha says:

      And COPS don’t follow people unless there is something going on. A kid like Trayvon would NOT have been followed by a cop.

    • Tzar says:

      Woow! says:
      June 24, 2013 at 10:21 pm

      I just looked at the first few pages of the NEN call logs for Fogen. On the first page is he following someone in his car (blk Jetta). If so I see why MOM does not want the jury to hear or see this information. That nut case has a history of following people as if he was a cop.

      this is an uncomplicated and preventable case of crazy person doing crazy shit regularly and finally doing it crazy enough to get attention. AND he almost had to up the ante-Beyond. Child. Killing- before someone would arrest his crazy ass.

  21. ay2z says:

    Judy asked about a source of the NEN call the Zimmermans made that is sub ject of today’s hearing which will continue at *:30 am. MOM wants to get this tossed. The state is trying to set up the pattern of calling and the mindset of GZ not wanting more of these ‘f’n’ punks’ getting away

    SZ tells GZ not to go out with what sounds like ‘don’t go out there’, to which GZ says “Why not?”

    This kid they have spotted is in a white tank top, black shorts, and he is headed towards the back entrance. they share with the NIN operator.

  22. MichelleO says:

    For the first time today; I understand all of the “depravity” talk going on here last summer. I just got through looking at the powerful opening statement from the prosecution, and was just struck by how superior and annoyed fogen looks. Plus, the fact that SheLie engineered a sick game on the court today. These people just do not give a damn. They are very, very cruel people—all of them. The entire family. I just imagine them gathered around while he and Robbie-the-Racist, were still children. I imagine them hearing powerful stories about how great their father was because he was a magistrate. I can imagine the mother further fueling their sense of superior entitlement with stories about how they are better than “other” Latinos because they are half Caucasian, and have a father who is well-connected. Now wonder this freak of nature went around committing horrible sexual offenses against helpless children, and taunting foreigners at his job. This person needs to be put down as an example to the rest of this filthy family, who regard others with such contempt that they don’t believe that they have any rights. Especially ANY that a fogenaire is bound to respect. They simply don’t think their shat stinks.

    • bydesign2010 says:

      I agree. I too was immediately turned off by Fogen’s arrogance and pompous idignation to even be on trial.

      • Malisha says:

        “the malicious prosecution of MY SON” — you goddabe kiddin!

        BTW only in Virginia could this man have been a Magistrate. Elsewhere, although you do not need honor, honesty or ethics, you DO need a bit of intelligence. There, not so much.

  23. whonoze says:

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    Don West.




    You’re supposed to say, “Don West who?”.


  24. Judy75201 says:

    If it was fogen shrieking, why would it stop at the gunshot when fogen said he didn’t think he had hit Trayvon, and that he needed help to retrain Trayvon? fogen is prisonbound.

  25. whonoze says:

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    George Zimmerman.

    George Zimmerman who?


    George Zimmerman WHO?

    Uh, I forget. I have a bad memory. What was the question?

  26. Mary Davis says:

    fogen: Now he is just staring at me. He’s coming to check me out.

    We know this is a lie because Trayvon did the exact opposite, he ran in fear of fogen. Seems that fogen set this murder up from the beginning. If the jury doesn’t see through this BS God help us.

  27. bydesign2010 says:

    I just can’t believe how George never once looked at the prosecutor as he made his opening statement. His behavior, in front of the jury, is one of arrogance and pompous indignation towards the proceedings. What an ass, is he. I nearly vomited in my mouth as Don West started his opening statements with pointing out the fact that George Zimmerman’s parents were banned from the courtroom until they testify (if they testify) due to to Floridas law about banning witnesses and protecting the interests of the victims family (even potential witnesses). This is a sneaky and underhanded attempt by the defense to further proliferate the idea to the jury that the proceedings are a sham and is a waste of their time. The Martins have so much restrain and resilience, much more than myself, to be sullied and insulted so often and brazenly.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Fogen seemed far more scared than arrogant today. But what do I know? Maybe it’s a mix. He certainly didn’t fall from the tree.

      • cielo62 says:

        Two Sides- really? He looked totally doped up to me. I think MOM and West are afraid that GZ might jump up and do/say something that will seal his fate (faster).


      • bydesign2010 says:

        Well he seemed more involved whenever the defense was speaking and disengaged when the prosecution was. He didn’t bother to look at the jury or illicit any type of emotion. He seemed inhuman to me.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Fogen looks like a sphincter holding shizzaz back. He seemed fearful at first and later more involved. And yes, at times he looked drugged and dazed too. : /

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        He shows no remorse, like a statue, unmoved, and uncaring to me. Zimmerman believes that he’ll walk and not be prosecuted, so he does not care what they say. Nope! He is a heartless, a bully, and cold-blooded child murdered.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      And yet MOM can never seem to treat AA’s with the slightest of respect!

      I mean, did you see his body language and how he was looking at 15 year old Chad when he asked him the distance from end to end in his backyard?

      He was hostile in delivering his questions to Andrew. MOM just comes off as hostile when dealing with Black people.

      I can only imagine how he will treat Ramona today as she gives her answers, addressing the jury and making sense of what she is saying! This should be interesting to see. We know that he had a fit about the evidence even though he did not object to allowing them in. And it was okay for West to mention “all the break-ins” during his 2.5 stumbling lying OS.

      He acts as if he hates Trayvon’s parents. That mess with bringing the liar GZ friend on the stand for BDLR to beat down, was a peek at how racist MOM really is. After all, his client murdered their kid and yet they have not said one negative thing about the zimm clan not once. In fact, I seem to remember that Sybrina went so far as to say that she did not think that GZ killed her baby on purpose. At how she thought it spiraled out of control and believed it was not an intentional hunt then kill. the zimm clan seems to have forgotten about that and chose to ignore how this family treats them with respect. If any one has any right to be angry, well it would be them, yet they if they are as angry as I am, it never shows.

  28. Now the questions are??????

    1. Was Trayvon reaching for the sidewalk he was armed with when fogen said “He has his hand in his pants”?

    2. Was Trayvon old enough to be in possession of a sidewalk?

    3. Did Trayvon have any training in how to attack with a sidewalk?

    4. How big, or what caliber sidewalk was Trayvon armed with?

    7. How much more of this BS are we gonna have to put up with?

    Ya’ll can fill in 5. & 6. 🙂


  29. groans says:

    Anderson Cooper just announced that MOM will be on his show tomorrow night.


    MOM is not a lawyer … he’s a “talking head” talking about a case that he is trying in a court of law concurrently with being a talking head about it. SMH. I hope JN learns about this.

  30. Puck says:

    I JUST got the fail knock-knock joke. What an idiot.

  31. whonoze says:

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    George Zimmerman.

    George Zimmerman who?

    George Motherfucking Zimmeman, asshole! Are you fucking on drugs or something? What is your deal, anyway, punk!

  32. whonoze says:

    Knock, knock.

    Who’s there?

    Don West.

    Don West who?

    Don, wes thet er bad idear to stot the opening stetment with er nock nock joke.

    • racerrodig says:

      Then he makes it worse and says…….

      “I thought it was funny”


      “I’m convinced it was the delivery”

      Note to West……you don’t fucking count and better quit your day job, you suck at this one.

      Maybe we need to get some hecklers in there just like a lot of real comics have to endure since he insulted The entire Trayvon Martin family, the jury, the Court, and, well….pretty much anyone not named Sundance Crackpot, Robbie the Racist, SheLie and Papa & Mama Z and actual working comedians. .

      Maybe he and Taaffe can start a cesspool business.

      • You mean west won’t be doing his routine at the Comedy Club this weekend?

      • groans says:

        What a sense of humor those zidiots have, eh?

        The rest of us “just don’t get it” – that’s why the American justice system has so dismally failed Gladass and her entire family. It would be oh-so-different if only they all had moved to Peru, I reckon.

      • Malisha says:

        He made the jurors all feel stupid because they didn’t GET IT. What a brilliant ploy, to give them feelings of dismay and bewilderment. Gotta luv the guy! (as opposed to “Gotta love THE GUY!)

        • racerrodig says:

          As my grandfather used to say…..”He couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

  33. colin black says:

    At least West explained the mystery of why Trayvons body lay so far from the concrete path

    Foggagge claimed he was having his head smashed with

    Trayvon picked it up an assaulted him with it an obviously dropped it back in the centre when he was shot

  34. racerrodig says:

    Happy Birthday Professor !!

  35. ZCBest says:

    Anyone watching After Dark on HLN. I swear a recreated crime scene has blood on the sidewalk! I don’t remember any photos depicting that. Are they just drinking out of Jim Jones’ chalice or what?

    • ZCBest says:

      Too much wine has me forgetting about punctuation…shoot me, and I am in the communications field. Lol, the irony. But I feel at home with you all, so I kicked off my shoes and forgot about the grammar and punctuation. I can do that right family?

      • racerrodig says:

        I’m, sure it’s white and matches his sheet, er, suit….no, I was right the 1st time…his sheet.

      • Xena says:


        …so I kicked off my shoes and forgot about the grammar and punctuation. I can do that right family?

        I’d be more concerned on when you washed your feet than your punctuation. (running and ducking in case you want to get me back) 🙂

        • ZCBest says:

          It was funny so you are safe. I can laugh at myself all night honey!

          Told ya, no propensity towards violence. A verbal tongue lashing, well that is entirely a different story. I’m a Taurus, so my words are weapons that I try to keep in the case. My hubby may have a different view though. LOL

          • Xena says:


            A verbal tongue lashing, well that is entirely a different story.

            As a native Chicagoan, I remember the days of “playing the dozens.” At the end, everyone went home to try and think up more “Your momma” jokes for the next round. And no one was mad either.

            I’m a Taurus, so my words are weapons that I try to keep in the case.

            Taurus ascendant here. 🙂

          • ZCBest says:

            oh the dozens, what fun they were…

      • Ty Flair says:

        @ZCBest you look like Aaliyah she was a great singer.

        • ZCBest says:

          Thanks Ty, she was a beautiful woman so I gladly accept that compliment! And yes, she was a really great singer. Such a loss.

      • Puck says:


        I’m a pest, I know… but if you can tell us more of what you know, that would be awesome…

        • racerrodig says:

          Nobody here is a pest….now that unitron is gone. The state does have far more than the defense can overcome. I know they have phone records that they will use as they need them. The sequence of who called who is what I’m led to believe is very damning.

          The angle of the bullet entry cannot be overcome and the state is going to bang that drum loudly. I know the timeline, which LLMPapa & Lonnie provided so perfectly will be banged also. I believe they will show Fogen’s lies to be catastrophic in his “reenactment” as he would still have been on the NEN call if Trayvon attacked him when and where he says he was.

          West made a telegraphic major blunder by laying out far to much. I do know that they were going to try reasonable doubt with the autopsy and he stated their expert will show that…….he’s in for a rude awakening. The only thing that scared me was early in the jury selection, now we can all see the worst thing that could happen to Fogen did… all female jury with the majority being mom’s.

          The desperation is obvious by the antics shown today.They knew Fogen’s family was not allowed in until they are done testifying. Then to accuse Tracy Martin of what they did??

          It’s pretty much over but the clapping.

      • cielo62 says:

        ZCBest- you betcha! No photos were ever presented with blood on a sidewalk. Probably because such a thing didn’t exist. For sure, that is pure fabrication.


      • Two sides to a story says:

        Love it racer! You inspire even more confidence with your steady opinions.

        • racerrodig says:

          We all knew for the most part this was going to be a circus, but who expected this ass kicking so badly on day 1!! From my sources, who I haven’t talked to since last week about the jury selection, this is just the beginning. We ain’t seen nuttin’ yet. +

          Near the end of the day when Fogens calls were being chronicled and he hadn’t objected, and now see’s where the pattern was going, the look on his face was Pricele$$…….

          Hey moron, your client wants to call the cops on black kids for a hobby…..have a little fire scarecrow…..

    • Malisha says:

      Why not add blood to the sidewalk? After all, it will entertain the viewers. Now bringing in evidence to court of blood on the sidewalk? Not so much.

      • ZCBest says:

        Nope. They did good. A fake juror asked about blood and they said there was none. So they surprised me, tonight. Gotta give them credit.

      • GrannyStandingforTruth says:

        Okay, am I missing something here? Is HLN trying to get ratings off of that dead child’s blood?

        I think I’ll keep my thoughts to myself concerning this farce.

  36. ay2z says:

    By Jimminy!! This isn’t a joke… maybe it proves that voice to text lazy reporting can make fools of the media from time to time.

    HLN front page headlines and story titles read:

    Defense attorney’s joke met with CRICKETS online

    By Jonathan Anker
    updated 6:20 PM EDT, Mon June 24, 2013

  37. Dave says:

    A rather belated Happy Birthday to you,Professor, Colin and the other person whose birthday it is but whose name I can’t remember right now. I hope Nikki is OK..

    I’ll be joining you late tomorrow after i’ve dealt with a problem of the automotive variety. Goodnight one and all.

  38. Ty Flair says:

    I’m willing to bet BDLR will do the closing argument his voice is stronger than the rest.

  39. FactsFirst says:

    DID Fogen make another NEN call after he shot Trayvon around 7:20pm? If so, could NEN be who fogen was on the phone with while Jon was taking pics of the back of fogen”s head? I’m asking because of an article I ran across a few minutes ago..

    46. Feb. 26, 2012 – 7:20 p.m.
    “Type: TEL
    Subject: Suspicious activity
    Report: Repeats prior report”

  40. colin black says:

    There doesn’t seem to be any pass for F Taffe amongst friends an family he could have kept gladice an seniors seats warm.
    After all he is full of hot air an not all will escape through his mouth.

  41. MrSykes says:

    I read somewhere that West’s bizarre performance was intentional in order to set Zimmerman up for an appeal based on incompetency of his representation in case a guilty verdict was returned.

    • colin black says:

      No way will incompetent defence work at appeal.
      One case I read of the guy appealing on incompetent council.
      His Attorney actualy fell asleep dureing some witnesses testomany an he didn’t win his appeal

      Another was turned down even although his attorney was drunk

      The bar is very very low you would need a limbo dancing attorney to get down low enough to be granted an appeal for incompetent council.

    • Woow! says:

      Why would an attorney risk his reputation and ability to get future work for 1 murder. That does not make any sense but hey it is W we are talking about. I wonder how much money he and MOM have collected from Zim supporters? He probably can retire.

    • cielo62 says:

      MrSykes- well if it WASN’T the plan, it sure is now!


  42. Rachael says:

    OMG, this is so funny. At a site I won’t mention, they have a picture of Guy (where he is kind of frowning on one side) and this is what they say:

    “A person who talks out of the side of their mouth is usually a shady liar and not someone to be trusted.”

    Have they ever seen the Zmirk?

    • disappointed says:

      They better leave my new husband alone. I personally love the picture. It is kind of telling. He is looking at Fogen like he is a chump they are just to stupid to get it. Or to dumb to care.

    • Judy75201 says:

      They still insist Trayvon was 6’3″. REALLY!!!

      • disappointed says:

        This is why I can’t read other places. No one can be this stupid. To continue with the 6’3 200lbs when today Mr Guy talked briefly about ME report. Apparently they think the State of Florida needs to stoop to the defense level and lie. Just breathe and know another village has lost quite a few idiots.

      • Sophia33 says:

        And the defense in opening droning said he was 5’11

      • Malisha says:

        He’s been growing since he was murdered. Just as he grew in Fogen’s sick imagination in the ten minutes BEFORE he was murdered.

        • racerrodig says:

          Amazingly, West said that Trayvon was 5 – 10 but with the hoodie was well over 6 feet tall.

          Note to all Zidiots and Skeletor : 5 – 10 is 5 – 10 is 5 – 10 and what you wear makes no difference.

          Then he asks Gaugh the 7 – 11 clerk what kind of shoes he was wearing as if the obvious height difference makes Fogen innocent. I guess he was expecting to hear “Oh, I always wear Disco Platforms from the 70’s to work”

          • Xena says:


            Amazingly, West said that Trayvon was 5 – 10 but with the hoodie was well over 6 feet tall.

            That’s because West’s hoodie has an extended, pointy top.

      • ZCBest says:

        @Xena damn I like the way you think.

        “pointy top”

        • Xena says:

          @ZCBest. Sincerely, I feel rather sorry for West — think he’s an alcoholic who saw this case as an enabling factor so afterwards, he can work doing something else and still have time to drink.

      • Rachael says:

        At only 4’9″ myself, I wouldn’t mind a hoodie like that. Anywone know where I could get one?

  43. Judy75201 says:

    New thread, please.

  44. LLMPapa says:

    The State has 220 witnesses.. Wouldn’t mind a bit if Zimmerman’s wife, father, mother and brother, are number 217, 218, 219, & 220.

    • disappointed says:

      Ditto! I love the way you think. Kind of twisted like me.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Haystacking at its finest. Plus I’d enjoy it if they conveniently didn’t call any of them and then forced MOM into it.

      • groans says:

        “Yes, Your Honor, we plan to call them as witnesses. Let’s see … they’re slated to be our final rebuttal witnesses. So the sooner the defense focuses on the issues and picks up its own frickin pace, the sooner this hateful, parasitic family will be able to join in our quest for truth and justice!”

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      Llmpapa, what about the sister running out to update the fogen parents during the trial, isn’t that illegal? Can she tape the testimony & sneak it to them, shouldn’t JN stop her? This bothers me!

  45. gbrbsb says:

    Professor, my belated birthday wishes. I didn’t realise till reading the commentary but you are awash here with well wishers me included.

  46. Judy75201 says:

    Anyone have a link to the calls with Shellie in the background? Work is such a nuisance… Thx.

  47. disappointed says:

    I think I need to file for divorce. I want to marry Mr Guy! Amazing. Watched him again just now. I have no desire to watch West again. I would rather remove my eyes by fork.

    • Rachael says:

      I still want Bernie.

    • ZCBest says:

      and he is quite attractive IMHO

      • disappointed says:

        Yes ZCBest that too! Rachael thank God you do not want my new husband. 😉

      • MollyK says:

        disappointed eyes, you’ll have to fight me for Guy before you can call him your new husband! I find moral outrage irresistible.

      • disappointed says:

        Molly- define fight? As in if I kick your butt I win? Or I kick your butt and you shoot me like Fogen? Maybe we could share him? I call dibs on the best part and you can have the worst part. Now I will need to spend sometime with him to figure out what’s good/bad and I will let you know what you get. 🙂 😉

      • MollyK says:

        disappointed, I had something more like arm wrestling in mind! Or flipping a coin… I see that I called you “disappointed eyes” above. Somehow I turned “says” into “eyes”!

        Today he has only good parts as far as I’m concerned!

      • You guys want to have, like, 10,000 of his babies.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I love The young blond guy’s passion. He was like a lion ready to strike when he was arguing! It made me want to be a lawyer for a second! Mr. M, you have my heart!

  48. Happy Birthday, Professor and Collin!

  49. whonoze says:

    Folks, if Tucholski was going to lie, he would have come up with something better than Tracy cursing under his breath outside the courtroom two weeks ago. He’s probably pissed at Shellie right now for trying to blow this molehill up into a mountain and forcing him into his awkward testimony on the stand. It’s seems pretty clear that Shellie exaggerated the hell out of whatever Tucholski told her when she passed it on to MOM, and MOM bought her BS whole without actually interviewing Tucholski prior to calling him as a witness. I pity the guy. Maybe he’ll get a clue as to the kind of people he’s dealing with and begin to pick a better class of friends.

    • Rachael says:

      And MO’M is such a whiney ass himself.

      • racerrodig says:

        The best was when he said it happened Tuesday before last, making it the 11th !!!! Yep….maybe the news just travels slow in the Zidiot Nation.

        I’m thinking the bags under The Moron Man’s eyes will be floor draggers by about…..say…….Thursday????

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Hi Racer: I’m trying to keep my number of missives low so as not to burden our readers, so they tend to be a bit long. I’m trying to keep to just one or two postings per day.

          The prosecution’s strategy seems clear today, they’ve started slow and are gradually building their case. In the meanwhile Omar is throwing everything at every step they take. This is taking it’s toll on Omar and West and they’re destroying their own credibility in the process.

          We need to remember that every objection is made at some cost! The jurors see that one side or the other is struggling to keep evidence out for some reason. If and when an objection fails to do so, the jury gets to see what the other side was afraid to have come in. That only makes that information more “juicy-full” to the jurors.

          As even now, for example, they’re getting to see that Omar wanted to keep gz’s numerous 911/NEN calls about young blacks, from the jury. In the jurors minds this info has been made all the more notable because of Omar’s objections.

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep…even letting the Police Rep to the NW talk is not hurting them. Let her say he was a nice guy. Nice guys don’t shoot people.

    • Nah, the whole thing is a lie. Shellie is in the courtroom so he can use her for the story. If you listen to Omara, he says that he thought Timothy left the courtroom after the incident but he realizes he’s still there. Hence, Omara is claiming the story happened today by the guy in the blue suit that he is wearing today. Timothy never gives a date when it happened and realizes that he’s trapped by a Tuesday so now he’s stuck. If Tracy wasn’t in the courtroom any prior Tuesdays then he’s looking at perjury charges.

      • Sleuth says:

        @Leroy Eugene Hudson

        Everything you’ve said is true. Someone posted the video of his testimony here, and its all over the internet.

        Timothy Tucholski is a lying racists who looked like he was on something. He didn’t even believe the bs he was trying to sell to the court.

        JN needs to charge him and O’Dirty with perjury, and for trying to perpetrate a fraud on the judicial system. She really does need to know what kind of people are entering her court room.

        Frank Taaffe’s youngest son, William admitted on his MySpace page that he liked committing HATE CRIMES just for the fun of it.

        William was also arrested for assaulting ATF officers.

        The confessed murderer was arrested for the same thing.

        Now there’s Timothy Tucholski.

        There are no coincidences here.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Doesn’t the defense worry about getting sucked into the toxic machinations of this family?

    • Sleuth says:


      I don’t believe a word he said about Mr. Martin. Who in the hell is he that Mr. Martin would even notice him? Timothy was flat out lying. It was a set up. Mr. Martin said no such thing, and JN intuitively sensed that.

      Why do you think Timothy Tucholski was sitting in the witness stand shaking like a leaf and breaking a sweat while being cross examined by BDLR? Something was definitely wrong with him. He looked like he was on drugs or something.

      And as far as She-lie is concerned, what proof is there that she had anything to do with what this liar said.

      If he’s not on the witness list, she needs to take that damn pass from him. He’s a trouble maker like the rest of the zidiot klan. I have no pity for liars. JN should have charged him and O’Dirty with perjury.

      • Rachael says:

        This may be far fetched, but I think MO’M cooked it up to try to keep Tracy out.

      • FactsFirst says:

        Did y’all notice how ole Timothy went from being a family member to a “family friend?” I smell bullshit! O’Mara was desperate to get Tracy grieving/crying in front of the jurors behind outta there, or thugify him.. I hope the prosecution can dig up some dirt on this kat…

      • I don’t think MO’M cooked it up, Rachael, I believe GZ cooked it up because its the same damn story he’s telling. I wish BDLR said:

        “So Tracy Martin looked down, saw your badge and said “you’re going to die tonight motherf—er? oops, I mean he looked down, saw your gun and said motherf—er? Oh sorry again, I mean he looked down and you felt him see your badge(like the force) and then he said motherf—er?”

      • Nef05 says:

        @Rachael – I think he did it to remind the jury of the environment Trayvon came from where his dad was another “big, scary balack man”, making it seem like “this” is the tree that Trayvon didn’t fall far from.

        I think it’s projection. He took the reaction to Sr’s book,and tried to pin the same (with xtra blackness, just because – that’s real scary) on Tracey. 🙄

      • groans says:

        @ Leroy – LOL!

    • Judy75201 says:

      Yeah…but he never said it was what was said, but rather it was what he “heard”. Tracy may have simply given him a disgusted look, and he “heard” “motherfucker”. He refused to testify that Tracy most certainly did say that.

      • Tracy is alleged to be walking through a door, it doesn’t make sense that he read his badge instead of watching where he was going. It should make sense that he’s done this a dozen times to different people but only 1 person accuses him out of the blue? Nah, this whole story is fabricated just like GZ’s story about TM seeing his gun and saying the same thing ‘motherf’r’.

        Now all we have to do is see if Tracy Martin was in the courtroom with Timothy to see if this actually could be a possibility and if not, we got another Zimmerman in jail. By the end of this trial, they’re going to have to build a jail for the Zimmerman klan…er, uh, I mean clan.

    • Malisha says:

      I do not believe Tracy Martin ever spoke one syllable to that guy. EVER. Tracy Martin seems to be in MUCH better control than any of those redneck Fogenites.

  50. Timothy Tucholski says “he looked down, saw my badge and said ‘motherf—er'” Fogen says “he looked down, saw my gun and said ‘you’re going to die tonight motherf—er”. Anybody see a pattern?

    • racerrodig says:

      Seems anyone Zidiot looks down a lot…..that and being a race baiting hate monger…..and saying it’s always somebodies else’s fault.

  51. ladystclaire says:

    Will someone PLEASE, post the link to the site that has a photo of a guy with a tatood face and, a mirror image of the blood on his head, like that of Fogen. TIA and, BTW why do they keep having Frank Taaffe on these shows with his racist hate.

    • tonydphotog says:

      I tried to find it, but no luck. IIRC, I read somewhere that it was a fake photo.

      • Dennis says:

        I hope some experts will testify regarding the photos so we can know once and for all if they are fakes. I don’t think the jury would be happy if they found out the defense is using fabricated evidence.

      • Malisha says:

        It was a fake. It was a red herring or a blue shoe or something. It was a photoshopped picture meant to get people running off on a false lead and actually I ran there for a minute before it was pointed out that the original (which I kept asking for, to my credit) picture was on a white supremacist website without the blood rivulets.

        To me the more interesting question is how the 7:19 blood rivulets were then cleaned up, then didn’t show at the station house, and finally ended up mostly the same at 11 pm that night under different circumstances in different light. Hmmmm.

    • whonoze says:

      The have Taaffe on those shows to draw viewers. Their business is to sell audiences to advertisers. “Controvery” attracts “eyeballs”. It’s just sensationalism for profit, i.e. business as usual for mass media under capitalism.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It was in a video on YouTube.

  52. Xena says:

    Hmmm. It’s getting interesting on HLN. Natalie Jackson is now speaking and I see Taaffe is there.

    • Sophia33 says:

      Can someone post this? I can’t watch it now.

    • BillT says:

      taafe is utterly clueless.

      • Oscar Terry says:

        I just wish that someone would point out that a contact wound to the clothing but intermediate shot to the body by a directly front to back shot does not mean that the person shot was actually looming over the shooter, but could just as easily have taken place when the shooter grabbed the victims clothes and the victim was pulling back and struggling to get away…

        What a moron

      • Xena says:

        @BillT. Taaffe profiled another guest on the program. He adopts the bigotvoyant theory that Trayvon did not go home because he laid in wait for GZ. That means;
        1. Trayvon would have pre-knowledge that when he ran that GZ would get out of truck and follow him; and,
        2. Pre-knowledge that GZ would run to Retreat View Circle rather than down the T behind Trayvon, and;
        3. Pre-knowledge that GZ would come back down Retreat View Circle and the EXACT time that he would so that Trayvon would be close enough to the T, rather than by his dad’s house, to confront GZ.

        Bigotvoyant theory, all the way.

  53. John Guy:Good Morning.FUCKING PUNKS. THESE ASSHOLES!They always get away. *points at GZ*.Those were the words in that grown. man’s. mouth…

  54. Xena says:

    Jane on HLN is going to re-enact what she says are some of the more controversial issues.

  55. smokeegyrl says:

    It won’t let me open up Leatherman Blog because of a Long Script… So I will be back later. It took me like 6 tries to get this out here. lol

  56. George Zimmerman Trial – Day 1 – Witness Sequestration Hearing

    • ZCBest says:

      I don’t advocate violence…that being said, i want to chew on Tim’s face like a bath salt zombie! (stole that from MobWives) Just to show him how violent a black person can be….ugh these people. They make me absolutely sick.

    • Gawd, is there any honesty in the GZ klan… er, uh clan? The shock on Tracy Martin’s face was like “what the??? Oh yeah, reality check. Why did I think this guy was gonna be honest for a minute?

    • Ok breaking down the lie from Timothy Tucholsky.

      1. Omara says it was a threat and thought Timothy left the courtroom today due to that claim of a threat and yet it happened at least 2 weeks ago?

      2. So if Omara knew that this threat took place 2 weeks ago and saw him today, why wouldn’t he expect him to be in the courtroom since he showed up after the fact?

      3. Implies that Tracy was in his blue suit when this occurred.


      • Sleuth says:

        @Leroy Eugene Hudson

        I so agree. JN needs to charge TIMOTHY TUCHOLSKY and O’Dirty with perjury since both were sworn in.

      • Puck says:

        On 3, Tucholsky was just asked to point out Tracy in the benches as the one who uttered “motherfucker” (oh noze! scary bah-lack man!). As clarification, he was asked if he meant the man (Tracy) who today was in a light blue suit. But it was still a dirty trick – glad JN shut the whole thing down.

    • Elizabeth says:

      That’s a badge?It’s a court pass.
      Now we know why Mr. Crump hasn’t been deposed yet.
      Stay strong Deborah,please!

  57. LLMPapa says:

    Sleuth says:
    June 24, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Anybody know Timothy’s last name? The one who falsely accused Mr. Martin

    Correct spelling here:

    • Xena says:

      @LLMPapa. LOL!!! Well shit happens, but ShelLIE should have been more careful on whom she chose as her surrogate to tell a 2 week old lie.

    • Sleuth says:


      Hey you! My, My, My. What a heavenly revelation. I just posted it down thread, pretty much figured that much when he started getting the shakes.

      Thank you for the confirmation.

    • Trained Observer says:

      It would be a good bet that any pal of the Z’s would have an arrest record. Hope his parking tickets are all paid up … bad moons and warrants may be arising.!

  58. tharealkeisha says:

    I am so sorry I missed the trial. West put me to sleep. I couldn’t hang

    • willisnewton says:

      Tomorrow should be more interesting as the state works it’s way along the truthful narrative towards how trayvon and GZ moved from the clubhouse area towards the cut thru.

  59. Woow! says:

    I can’t wait for Papa and MamaZ to take the stand. I hope BDLR tear theme a new one.

    JN should ban Fogen sister from the court room (I know she has a right to be there). It is obvious she is running out to tell what is going on inside the court room.

  60. smokeegyrl says:

    Can y’all see me now… or my post … I’m needing advice… HEP HEP!

  61. racerrodig says:

    Karma…….gonna knock him right in the head……

  62. Malisha says:

    Judge Nelson: “Don’t no no me!”

    West: Gooooooooooo to sleeeeeeeeeepppp…

  63. Malisha says:

    West’s tactic: hypnotism.

    You are getttttttting sleepy. Your eyes are growing heavvvvvvvy. Your eyelids are cloooooooooooosing. You are soooooooooo sleepy. You cannot resist sleeeeeeep. The accused citizen is noooooooooott guilty. The accused citizen is innnnnnnnnnocent. He did nooooooooooot murder the pBa-lack “guy.” He was proteeeeecting his neighborhood. He is stillllllllllll the good guy. His butttttttttt was being beaten. His headdddddddd was being slammed. He was alllllllllmost in diapers. You muuuuuuuuuust acquit. Just a minute I forgot where I am. Oh, yeah, goooooooo to sleeeeeep, gooooooooo to sleeeeeeeep, gooooooooo…

  64. colin black says:

    Anyone got Wests opening statement on vt its nearly bed time an Its a cure for insomnia.

    • Xena says:

      @colin black.

      Anyone got Wests opening statement on vt its nearly bed time an Its a cure for insomnia.

      • groans says:

        Fantastic, Xena!! Thank you for recording and posting (especially since I hinted that you do so some time ago, so I’ll share in your credit 🙂 )!!!!

        • Xena says:


          Thank you for recording and posting (especially since I hinted that you do so some time ago, so I’ll share in your credit 🙂 )!!!!

          You’re welcomed, but I didn’t record it. Croakerqueen123 did. She doesn’t always have hearings uploaded the same day, but I’m happy she did today.

      • groans says:

        @ Xena – Yes, I just noticed that you hadn’t recorded them when I opened one. Are you able to record streaming video with your new toy, though?

        • Xena says:

          @groans. Are you able to record streaming video with your new toy, though?

          No, I cannot record live streaming video with my new toy. Tonight, i read reviews of a software program to record live and it seems that all of them are “screen capture” recorders. That means if I record a live stream, that I can’t do anything else on my computer.

          Now I understand why there are times on Trent’s videos when we see his desktop or another web page.

          I would not be able to comment here, check email nor manage my own blog until after court has recessed.

          It makes me all the more appreciative for those who do record live stream and make it available for us.

          I might still be able to work something out if I can get all my bookmarks on my desktop and work from there while using my laptop to screen capture live video. Right now, I’m too tired to think it through.

    • Sophia33 says:

      No it’s not. It’s a cause of indigestion.

  65. Mary Davis says:

    Yes Granny, he is straight up lying. Wish Tracy could sue his a** for slander. These people are truly dangerous. I think they are really trying to start some kind of race war.

    • Malisha says:

      Hey how come he didn’t call 911 if Tracy Martin cussed at him? What, forgot what pocket he left his cell phone in?

    • Woow! says:

      That guy pretended that he did not want to be on the stand after BDLR started poking holes in his tall tale…

      I bet Fogen friends will think twice before taking the stand to tell lies.

    • Sleuth says:


      Yes, they are. I don’t believe a word he said. They were trying to provoke the AA community. I saw at least 3 clergymen in the courtroom who have been allowed in to observe. Then there’s the NAACP conference over in Orlando setting up for they’re National Conference.

      The controversies involving Paula Deen and the N-word, the cute bi-racial kid in the Cherrios commercial, and the talented little Mexican boy, all of whom which have been part fueled by racists attacks, with the exception of Paula. Sounds like a nice pot stewing.

      JN needs to reign in this crew now. I know she has to cover her but, but this is already getting out of control. Don’t really understand the law or rules as they pertain to friends and family, but if Timothy Turcholski is not on the witness list, they need to snatch that damn pass from him.

      If Sanford have riots, it will surely be due to those zidiots.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


        I agree with you and Mary that white racists……as gz would say…..are “up to no good” and “I don’t know what their deal is”.

        They are taunting right now in the hopes of riling things up.

        Reminds me of this of this taunting from the past:

      • Mary Davis says:

        @ Sleuth. The sad part is,not only Sanford will have riots but riots will start all over the place. What in the hell is wrong with these people. Racists are springing up all over the place, trying to provoke violence. I hope JN will recognize this trial for what it really is and keep order in her courtroom.

        IMO it seems like the defense is also trying to stir up violence. This murder has brought out the worst in some people, even so called professionals. Never heard of lawyers with no respect for the judge. We see Journalists, Judges, Lawyers, Commentators, Preachers, that are so outspoken and spewing hate, and this is coming from the white privileged. I guess they have had enough and they are showing their true colors. Most AA’s are just speechless and saying WOW. After all this is 2013.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        The question is: how do we render the racists impotent?

        • Supply them all with Sheep?

        • Xena says:


          The question is: how do we render the racists impotent?

          Educating everyone else, and offering bigoted racists their own country, such as a northwestern part of Alaska.

        • cielo62 says:

          YAHTC- just the way that Martin/Fulton are doing. With dignity, grace and class. With self respect and self control. It enrages them (or any bully) to see someone refuse to get rattled, refuse to get angry.


      • Sleuth says:


        I think they’re all pissed off because the plantation days are over, and now they have to pick their own darn cotton! :-)I

        I say, “GET THE PICKIN'”

  66. smokeegyrl says:

    ok… now that I am about to upload this files… so I need suggestions. hep hep

    1. full day

    2. Opening Guy

    3. Opening West

    4. Each Defendant

    5. Motion/Arguments

  67. Sleuth says:

    Anybody know Timothy’s last name? The one who falsely accused Mr. Martin.

    • Malisha says:

      Timothy Tucholski.

      • Malisha says:

        What a bunch of wusses the Fogenites are. Whiners!

        “He said a bad word at me!”

        Who, the victim’s father? Wow. Lucky he didn’t find you suspicious and shoot you in the heart. After all that’s what Fogen did to someone after calling HIM a fucking punk and an asshole. I’d think (even though I firmly believe it didn’t happen and you made a damn fool of yourself saying it did) you got off easy. You look to me like a real suspicious guy who’s up to no good and somepin’s wrong with you.

      • Sleuth says:


      • racerrodig says:

        Playing the 911 call from last year where there was allegedly a burglary, nobody saw the guy but SheLie has a description.

        Gee….how does that happen.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO I did not watch but the guy sounds like an idiot

        Really? He called you motherfucker?

        Tracy did?

        what does that have to do with Fogen targeting, stalking, disparaging, threatening, confronting, attacking, then shooting an unarmed kid with candy, in the fucking heart?

        All I can say is if the jury finds these lies bad about alleged swear words said by Tracy, how they finna feel about Fogen stalking a kid and yelling out disparaging remarks with swear words?

      • Jun says:

        Now that can be used against Omara

        Hey Omara, you consider the word “motherfucker” to be a threat…. what about when Fogen called Trayvon a fucking punk and an asshole, although Trayvon was a kid he did not know, and then pursued him armed with a gun? Huh?

  68. boyd says:

    I see where this is going, the inconsistencies in Fogen’s statement were because of the brutal beating his head took.

    West alluded to that.

  69. colin black says:

    so 8 30 am will be what time in the UK?

    • boyd says:

      add 6 hours I beleive

      • colin black says:

        So two thirty PM UK time mmm

        Might have to get up around 7 AM to get errands done before then…. Thanks to M Omara an his ineptitude.

        Why would he object to the Jurours finding out foggagge only phoned in call about AA I wonder?

    • Nef05 says:

      It will be 1:30pm for you Colin. We’re on Daylight Savings Time, here so you’re 5 hours ahead.

    • LeaNder says:

      Colin, it’s exactly six hours for me. Instead of 3 p.m. it will be 2:30 p.m. But we have summer time. Meaning they steal us one hour in spring and we get it back in autumn. When I lived in London, we didn’t have stuff like that but you did. But forget how exactly it worked then. In any case there was a one hour difference then to the time in Germany too.

  70. willisnewton says:

    What a mess. Yet somehow from all this we are still headed towards justice.

  71. colin black says:

    Yup foggagge could read the BLAHK persons mind he allegedly saw.
    Standing by F Taffes unsecured unlocked home.

    In this crime ridden retreat.
    He said he was smokeing to give the impression it was his house?

    • Malisha says:

      Yeah, the guy was smoking and trying to trick Fogen into thinking he owned Taaffe’s house. Just like Trayvon was skipping away or going away quickly “but not from fear.” Just like Trayvon put his hand in his waistband “to try to intimidate me” [to Singleton]. We call this “self-referential.” The person who believes these things imagines that other people have no reason to be on earth for their own motivations in their own lives; everything they do is calculated to send messages to the self-referential person. The other person (who is so much less important, less real, less significant) does whatever he does to make an impression upon the all-important and all-powerful and all-beneficial Fogen. It’s a delusion of the most bizarre kind. “Yep, he’s comin to check me out.” Man, he doesn’t give a damn about you unless you’re trying to do something TO him; YOU’re the one with all these delusions about other people. The clerk at the 7-11, the dispatcher, everyone else who interacted with Trayvon Martin — none of them had problems with him. Get a LIFE — oh wait a minute, you’re a day late and a dollar short of being able to do that, NOW.

  72. Woow! says:

    Folks over at the TreeH were going crazy this morning trying to google Trayvon’s girlfriend since her name was revealed in open court. One of them posted personal information for wrong Rachel (a 30 yr old.). Admin quickly came in and told them not to publish the personal information because they were accused of Doxing and they do not want to ever have that happen again.

    I wonder if the prosecution sent them a cease and desist letter. I hope those fools don’t harass that young lady.

    • Sleuth says:

      Also heard they’ve posted a whole lot of irrevelant information over there, some of which might get them in legal trouble. Heard they were going to Miami again, to stir up some shyte.

      • cielo62 says:

        Sleuth- make sure you take your coffee mug and look for Cowboy Bill. (I hope I remembered that correctly)


    • Malisha says:

      I hope DeeDee lawyers up and sues their asses.

    • Sleuth says:


      LEO’s = Law Enforcement Officers

    • cielo62 says:

      Woow! And if they DO attempt to fix her, I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


    • groans says:

      I wonder if the prosecution sent them a cease and desist letter.

      I sure hope so, because folks like them aren’t likely to stop voluntarily from any internal sense of common decency!

    • LeaNder says:

      I seriously hope that LEO’s are observing SD and his mudslingers.

      Does Jeralyn have some inside information?

      Does anyone think Witness 8, the prevaricating “Dee Dee” will even show up at trial? I hope she does, so her story can be tested the way it should be tested — by cross-examination in a courtroom, under oath and spoken clearly into a microphone. But I have my doubts that we’ll ever see or hear a word from her at trial.

      just popped up in my mind when I read about the latest CTH activities.

  73. colin black says:

    No Im not on twitter there may be a colin black but its not me.

  74. betterhalf says:


  75. degraveegmailcom says:

    What’d the use of asking if there are objections beforehand if
    if they can ask to strike stuff as it comes up?

    • Malisha says:

      This would follow the same reasoning as a mid-trial or post-trial SYG hearing. Just do whatever you want without regard to the rules; after all, enforcing the rules is unfair; it’s a sign that the court is railroading the defendant. Oh, oops, sorry: railroading the accused citizen.

      Accused citizen will become convicted citizen and then will become incarcerated citizen. Let’s have a little respect here!

  76. Are we absolutely positive West and MOM went to law school?

    • racerrodig says:

      West graduated 215 out of 210 from the College of the Condescending
      The Moron Man attended The University of Mars….then Transferred to U of Anus

      • Puck says:

        Hey racer, was hoping you’d pop in today. Now that the trial has begun, are you able to tell us more about what your LE budidies know?

        • racerrodig says:

          I haven’t talked to any of them since jury selection but I was told stay fast on what we know. Phone records, the bullet angle, the autopsy, and Skeletor telegraphed that one today and the forensics. West’s BS about their expert shooting holes in the states autopsy are BS.

          Notice that West and Taaffe are still holding on to Jon’s MMA story even though it was retracted…..I spell DESPERATION all caps on this one.

          Using despicable means and blatant lies to get Tracy thrown out seals the desperation.

      • cielo62 says:

        Racer- LOL!!


      • groans says:

        Long time, no hear! Glad to hear from you and MMP again.

  77. bettykath says:

    MOM has an objection based on the admissibility of prior bad acts. Is he saying that fogen’s prior calls were bad acts? Can that be extrapolated to his latest call being a bad act?

  78. colin black says:

    there was no limit to M O M INSOLENCE SO


  79. Hey guys!

    Someone tweeted this to me. It’s the arrest record of the POS liar who said Tracy Martin called him a mofo.

  80. Dee says:

    Okay, Professor can they get away with taken taking something out like O’Mara is trying to do with the other 911 calls?

  81. ay2z says:

    West said in his opening, that there was a young boy, 12 years old named Chad, left hom playing video games and had earphones on, so didn’t hear anything of what happened that night.

    12 years old–, West os crackers. Chad is now 15 years old. 15 -1 does not equal 12.


  82. I’m still seething that these POS trash LIED to get Tracy Martin kicked from the courtroom. Just when I think the sloths can’t get any lower they prove me wrong.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      That might be an insult to sloths. They’re kinda cute.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Yes. And there should be blowback on that. This wasn’t a little in chambers convo off the record. His besmirching of Tracy was in open court under oath. JN was clearly when she said “stop it” right now. But Corey needs to go after this slimeball.

      • jm says:

        I think the person who repeated the story, ShelLIE, should be questioned, as to what the slimeball told the accused perjurer.

      • Trained Observer says:

        In addition, once Fogen has been put away, maybe Ben Crump can scare the stuffings out of this slimer with a little civil suit activity.

      • bettykath says:

        The slimeballs were shellie and MOM. This guy isn’t the one who made a big deal about it and just wanted it to go away. It was Shellie to MOM after the Z’s were excluded from the courtroom. A bit of retaliation?

    • Malisha says:

      Fogen and the Fogenites don’t need protection from Pba-lacks; Blacks need protection from Fogen and the Fogenites. They lie on them, they try to frame them, they try to kick them out of public places, they endanger them, they accuse them falsely and they sometimes kill them!

  83. Trained Observer says:

    Most amazing out of the blue unrelated to the case was the “motherfucker” accusation leveled at Tracey Martin b y the Z-fam pal.

    Hope the State doesn’t let this slide and looks into this guy as it prepares its case against ShelLie who had a finger in bringing this alleged incident to MOM’s attention .

    It would be great if cameras could show Tracy and this guy were never within 10 feet of each other on any day the accuser was in court. He’s dumb enough that he doesn’t remember what day, he says, it happened. The slimer was under oath in court — could we see him nailed for perjury and malicious whatever?.

    • racerrodig says:

      Better yet, it allegedly happened Tuesday before last….the 11th.

    • Jun says:

      I did not catch it but seriously, whether or not Tracy called him a motherfucker, what the fuck does that have to do with proving self defense?

      Tracy could have called that douche a motherfucker all day everyday, and it still does not prove it’s self defense

      Is this not opening the door?

      • Malisha says:

        It was just to try to smear Tracy Martin.

        They believe if they smear Trayvon Martin and his family enough, they can achieve jury nullification by having the jury decide, as did that racist radio guy, that Trayvon Martin needed to be killed.

  84. whonoze says:

    It’s not just that GZ’s a habitual 911/311 caller. It’s not just that GZ’s previous call are all about AA “suspects.” It’s that the descriptions of events in them are so similar to his 2/26 call that one can suspect elements of GZ’s account that night were actually drawn from previous events, not Trayvon’s actual actions. For example, it is physically impossible for GZ to have first spotted TM by Frank Taffee’s house as he claims in the “re-enactment.” But he did spot another “suspicious person” by Taffee’s on an earlier occasion.

    • Tzar says:

      I swear if Nelson balks on this one
      I am going to lose my shit

    • KittySP says:


    • Trained Observer says:

      As in Fogen’s brain was so scrambled with booze or whatever that he himself was relating everything as one “deal” when he called NEN?

      I look forward to SPD officers explaining why they never tested this known killer for drugs or alcohol.

      • Dee says:

        They didn’t test him, because a lot of them know Zimmerman he is always over there, he really thinks in his mind he is a cop. That’s why he didn’t lawyer down but talked to the cops and told them everything, because in his mind he thinks that they are going to watch over him, like cops normally do. And they did, until the big fellows came in town.

    • Tee says:

      I watched Taffee interview on HLN, he said that George called because he noticed a black male sitting smoking a cigarette by his home. On the reenactment GZ said he caught a black man looking in Taffee window. They are both awful people and stupid liars.

  85. dianetrotter says:

    Is this THE Tim Tucholski? If so … he is a crook and you can’t believe a word he says.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It’s just a revoked DL, failure to appear. Doesn’t make him a crook, not that I’m supporting any Fogen fans.

  86. bellesouth says:

    Case on point — and is it ever! Rozelle v. Sec’y, Florida Dept. of Corr., 23 Fla. L. Weekly Fed C 11, 672 F.3d 1000. Haven’t finished reading it yet. but so far, kind of identical

  87. willisnewton says:

    I think the state is holding back some strong evidence until rebuttal.

    • trina cosbie says:

      I believe so too Willisnewton, because of their willingness to dive head first into information given to them without investigating it, prior to releasing it & when the chips of embarrassment land all over their heads, they wipe the sweat off their brows & keep it moving, leaving their tails untucked between their legs. Thinking that they can swipe their mess with their tails when no one is looking & all is forgotten.

  88. Woow! says:

    Fogen’s friend is a criminal like him….. “Tracy called me a mutherf*&^%$”

  89. Trained Observer says:

    OK …here’s where the State has an advantage. Corey can unleash her brigade of case law researchers, while BDLR,Guy and Mathei can have a decent dinner and discuss tomorrow’s line-up.

  90. Dee says:

    Has anyone noticed that Zimmerman sister got up more than a few times to leave the court, her bladder can’t be that bad. She already was already late. They must have called her since they couldn’t go back into court. However, she left out of court a few times. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s not updating her parents, on what’s going on. I don’t trust any of them. They already lied about the money they were receiving hiding it in different safety deposit boxes. I wish they would have caught this.

  91. smokeegyrl says:

    what I can’t understand is why JN has let evidence come in and the defense never objected to it and now is accepting their objections when she made it clear the first time… I would’ve said… sorry you missed out… you had your chance to object the first time… I don’t get it with JN… *sigh*

    • Sophia33 says:

      Every major decision she rules in the defenses favor.

      • smokeegyrl says:

        and that’s strange… because she was a prosecutor before a judge.

      • cielo62 says:

        Sophia and smokeegyrl~ I truly believe that JN is doing her ALL to avoid having even ONE SHRED of complaint for an appeal. She gives them leeway and extra time and all kinds of actually irrelevant things. Even without a pattern of phone calls, I think we see just within that one call, that “these punks; they “always” get away.” ALREADY implying that gz has a deep seated bitterness in the cop’s lack of ability to nab the criminals he calls in. It’s interesting, but again, it’s NOT the whole ball of wax, nor even all that damaging by itself.


      • KittySP says:

        Not so…

      • Dave says:

        She hasn’t actually ruled yet. It seems to me that the general trend of her rulings is to do what’s necessary to move the trial along. She has denied all the defenant’s motions for continuance and even worked way into the evening in a non airconditioned courtroom and on Saturdays to preeempt some of their stalling. (FWIW her middle name is Steinberg.) Along the same lines she ruled in favor of blocking several days worth of boring inconclusive expert testimony. She tends to give close calls to the defendant, but I think that is proper in the interes of justice.

    • Dave says:

      Well, it offers a good excuse to recess until tomorrow.

  92. KittySP says:

    So why is it the state can’t show ‘state of mind’ by going through these call records, showing patterns of him calling in, when the defendant himself, prefaced the NEN call and his own written statement about all the past break-ins. imo, he opened the door for this testimony, don’t know if that’s a valid response from the state…but i would’ve have made a point to state that.

  93. dianetrotter says:

    Is it possible that we won’t hear any testimony about a) Trayvon circling the car, b) You gon die tonight mofo, or c) You got it? If no one heard or saw that, the only way it can get introduced is through GZ.

    • Malisha says:

      Yeahhhh, but I think it’s great technique to build the case on the facts needed and then DARE Fogen to testify and then if he DOES, you have (a) Didn’t you say Trayvon circled the car? and (b) Didn’t you say he told you, ‘you’re gonna die tonight mofo’? and (c) Didn’t you say he sat up and raised his hands in the air and said, ‘you got me or you got it or something’? Didn’t you call him “the suspect” sixteen times? Didn’t you say he called you “homie” and then claim not to know whether he said the word “homie” or not? Huh? Huh genius? Huh? Want to change your testimony? Were you lying then or are you lying now? Huh? Speak up I CAN’T HEAR YOU!

    • Puck says:

      All three are in the walk-through video which is in evidence.

  94. ZCBest says:

    I am a bit pissed that JN, didn’t disallow him from objecting after he initially agreed. Just because he is stupid too. If she gives allowances over stupidity, we are screwed.

  95. Nef05 says:

    Mantei said he’s got two “ins” right? Business records and state of mind? I’m thinking O’Moron is out of luck on this one. I’m glad the jury heard it, could see where it was going, and watched him jump up like he had something to hide.


  96. Dave says:

    That second call was made at 6:45 PM. Was it on the same day of the week as the TM call?

  97. YQ says:

    The evidence was already in, dude. Take this butt-whipping like a man, O Mara.

  98. colin black says:

    J Nelson has a head cold by sounds of her voice,

  99. groans says:

    Whatever JN was reading – Evidence Rule 803(3)? – included “to show motive,” which seems to be where this issue might fall. All those previous calls led to the, “these a$$holes always get away,” which could go to motive.

  100. Rachael says:

    Gee Mark, do you think if these calls were not relevant this would bother you?

    • Xena says:

      Oh-oh-O’Mara is back peddling. He doesn’t want any evidence or testimony that he has no defense for. Rather than objecting, he should have been thinking hmmm — how do I defend this?

      • Rachael says:

        But isn’t that his effn job? Isn’t that what all those ppl sent $$ for? He knew that was coming in. What the hell did he think they were going to do with it. He’s not stupid – well I mean he is, but my point being, he knows damn well and good how damning those calls are and you are right. He should have worked on a defense for them, not an objection. So yes, he is stupid.


  101. breelee says:

    I haven’t read other comments, hope I’m not repeating, but on the 26th fogen was slurring, on the 911 call just played, he was clear as a bell. Gawd I wish the state would point that out since the ball was dropped and no blood work was done. I bet anything he was drunk or on drugs when he murdered Trayvon!

    • Trained Observer says:

      slurring is the best word yet … hard to articulate … but the comparison is notable.

    • whonoze says:

      Maybe not drunk, but for sure a bit tipsy. I will repeat here for the umteenthousandth time that the psych meds GZ was on do NOT cause slurred speech, poor judgement, or increased aggression.

      • amsterdam1234 says:

        Disagree that his meds are not associated with increased aggression. That is specifically stated as one of the possible side effects.

  102. Leisa says:

    8:30 am tomorrow. 😉

  103. gbrbsb says:

    Poor lil GZ… no Shellie, no bro, no papa and no mama… all alone on his ownsome like Trayvon was that night… ha !

  104. colin black says:

    O Mara has halted proceedings by not being dillegent .

  105. chi1224 says:

    Actually recessing for the day will make the jury think– wow the defense must be fighting really hard to keep something damning out..

    • Dee says:

      Yes he is, you didn’t hear shelly said in the back ground your not going after him, and Zimmerman said why. This is just what he did to Trayvon he likes going after people that doesn’t concern him. That’s why he’s trouble now. And O’Mara does want the jury to see that it is a regular thing that he wants to go after people, as though he was a cop or something.

  106. Sophia33 says:

    The bell has already been rung. Forget it!

  107. Rachael says:

    “subsequent conduct!”

  108. Leisa says:

    Mom should not be able to object to what has been admitted with no objection.

    • Nef05 says:

      The argument to that will be his client shouldn’t be penalized for his mistake. I, of course, would disagree with that.

  109. gbrbsb says:

    Motive… he was eating his heart out because the always got away!

    • Dave says:

      That SOB will eat anything

    • Malisha says:

      That was his real issue. These inferiors were getting away with having their own lives and being successful and not having to bow down to HIM. Meanwhile, he wasn’t getting away with a diploma he hadn’t earned or rent he couldn’t pay. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

      • gbrbsb says:

        And taking boxing and grappling lessons to lose weight and keep fit. HA HA HA HA HA HA !!

        • racerrodig says:

          Then Skeletor goes down the road that Fogen was so busy with his un and underemployment / failing of classes and gym work outs.

          Yep…..A real jewel.

  110. gbrbsb says:

    I am laughing so hard. MOM just almost put his foot in it big time, he almost said “it’s not about the ill will he showed to other suspicious persons” or similar. Check it out on replay if you missed it.

    • chi1224 says:

      Yeah too bad the jury didn’t hear it! I think the state will win this, it goes to “state of mind”.
      Damn, recess for the day!!! Didn’t want that!

  111. colin black says:


    He is only phoneing on Blahks.

  112. Leisa says:

    I think state has this one.

  113. MrSykes says:

    Oh the IRONY of Omara arguing against bringing in acts from the past. The IRONY!!!!!!!!!!

  114. Nef05 says:

    STFU and have a seat.

  115. Sophia33 says:

    Oh my goodness! SMDH!

  116. Sleuth says:

    I think Mantai is trying to established a pattern of profiling.

  117. gbrbsb says:

    MOM just added another expletive for GZ, “F*****G A********S”

  118. Girlp says:

    O’Mara realizes how serious those calls are…LOL please let them through JN

  119. fauxmccoy says:

    o’mara …. whadda putz! objecting to exhibits retroactively.

    judge is cool to keep jurors from this horseshit, i think

  120. Woow! says:

    Dumb dumb dumb dumb MOooooooom

  121. colin black says:

    Phoneing up on a Blahk kid again

    An omara moves to strike after offering no objection


    Tge relevance is your clients a serial phone caller on BLAHK PEOPLE.

    An J Nelson grants his do over FFS

  122. Tzar says:


  123. Sleuth says:

    Judge Nelson needs to give O’Dirty a good dressing down.

  124. parrot says:

    “I misspoke when I said, “No”.

  125. The man is Lionel Hutz come to life.

  126. Sophia33 says:

    He is a fool! Just piss of the Judge some more Mark.

  127. Rachael says:

    If you can’t see the relevance, you are an I D I O T!!!

  128. chi1224 says:

    Too bad MOM, the jury heard it!!!! Can’t unring that bell!! LOL Awesome!!

  129. MOM wants to object after he already said he didn’t.

  130. Why was Shelly telling him not to call?

    • Rachael says:

      I thought she was telling him not to go out – I thought he was wanting to chase him down.

      • lurker says:

        That’s what it sounded like to me, as well. But, did you notice that he did the same thing where he started to give the address and then declined to give the street ? Said the same thing about not wanting the suspect to know where he lives. But he was calling from inside his house. Did he think that someone was standing outside the window listening?

  131. Tzar says:

    It’s amazing how different the styles of each prosecutor is (BDLR, Mantai, GUY) and how good each h one is
    Mantai has a fantastic vibe about him, earnest and succinct

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I’m in love with him, he was loving his job! He is so passionate! Gotta love the State, they make lawyering honorable, wow, thank you, God.

    • Nellie Nell says:

      I love Mantai’s facial expressions….. he knows crap before it leaves the lips of West and MOM. Guy is a smooth fellow. And BDLR is that uncle that does not take any crap at all!

      What a team!

  132. chi1224 says:

    Wow, these other calls are powerful too! I’ve been saying all along Fogen is a paranoid, racist, PSYCHO!! I hear that fat bitch Shelly in the background- Nasty!

  133. ZCBest says:

    This is important, they are establishing a pattern that he made these types of calls and was actively outside looking for folks!!!

    Vigilante ass!

  134. bettykath says:

    OMG. They’re comparing defendant’s old calls to the “new” one.

  135. Rachael says:

    smh – same script

  136. colin black says:

    I was hopeing Sean would’ve been AA but this Lady catalouges an refrences all calls that come into dispatch both emergency an non.

    More intelegence in her big toe than foggagges brain.

  137. chi1224 says:

    Good witness on the stand now. Very articulate and smart.

  138. YQ says:

    Geez, offer her some water. She’s parched. LOL

  139. chi1224 says:

    Here comes Fogen’s multiple calls about suspicious blacks.
    Fogen is a delusional racist.

  140. colin black says:

    My Ramonas up as a record keeper of calls into S P D…

    Chain of custody verification I m o.

  141. Two sides to a story says:

    Good testimony, I thought. Sean’s neither for nor against either side, just calling it like he saw it.

    • Deborah Moore says:

      And, isn’t it nice to know that there are folks who can compartmentalize so that they can handle 911 or NEN calls. No snark. I could never do that. I’m glad others can.
      Good job, son.
      (someone buy him a beer, or soda, or oj.)

  142. Deborah Moore says:

    Catch that Bernie happy smile moment?
    It’s all going according to plan…for the prosecution.

    • gbrbsb says:

      Yeah good so far, but the tough bit, self defence, is still to come.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Sure did. Subtle flash, but he’s pleased, and Sean knows it.

      • Deborah Moore says:

        I understand that this is not over. But, as much as M O M not being stupid, I see and realize what he’s doing as to poisoning the jury….
        Oh, did you hear the way M O M said our not favorite phrase?
        He said it with vehemence.
        He gets paid either way, doesn’t he?

      • Trained Observer says:

        Supposedly he’s working pro bono. Beg site money goes for transcripts, other such costs, plus Fogen’s chow..

  143. gbrbsb says:

    Great so he wasn’t hostile to Sean, what does that prove ?

  144. whonoze says:

    I don’t know if I can take 2-4 weeks of everyone saying “fucking punks,” when GZ actually said “fucking coons.” It’s too Kafkaesque.

    • Rachael says:

      I “hear” you (guess that’s supposed to be a pun). I know it isn’t supposed to matter but it does. First of all because it is SOOOOO clear and second because, in my mind anyway, there is a huge difference between fucking coons and fucking punks.

      • whonoze says:

        Actually, I don’t think there is that big a difference between “punks” and “coons.” You can’t attribute a consistent racism on the basis of a single epithet muttered to one’s self under the breath any more than you can attribute threat to Tracy Martin uttering “motherfucker” to himself under his breath. To me it’s just that courtrooms should deal in facts, and the DEMOSTRABLE fact (via phonetic breakdown and comparison of the component phonemes to GZ’s own exemplars) is that he said “coons.”

    • YQ says:

      I know… I just try to block it out. If he is convicted, the story will be re-written yet once again.

    • lurker says:

      I think it was a choice by the prosecution not to get caught up in side issues.

    • Malisha says:

      I actually think it’s better this way, whonoze. Truth is important but another important thing is value. The value of “fucking punks” is equal to the value of “fucking coons” for a Murder-2 conviction.

  145. Sophia33 says:

    Why didn’t the prosecution ask the dispatcher if Mr. Zimmerman ever said someone was circling his car?

  146. Deborah Moore says:

    Let’s be clear…the wind noise could be because the devil had entered his body and fucking punks became the mantra. No breathing required.

  147. chi1224 says:

    Excellent point, no more sounds of getting back in the car.

  148. colin black says:

    Whom will be next ?
    I don’t like some of or most of the comments across bottom of screen ob channel 9

    Forinstace….Being STUPID doesn’t make someone guilty of murder?

  149. gbrbsb says:

    Yes, hostile. Sean’s doing a bit of the prosecution’s job for them !

  150. ladystclaire says:

    Where is our Leader and his better half? BTW, I hope the professor, had a very Happy Birthday and, may he have many many more.

  151. Rachael says:


  152. YQ says:

    MANTEI!!!! Saving the day!!!

  153. Leisa says:

    Hostile. He wants to tell it…

  154. Two sides to a story says:

    Finally. Hostile. Glad Sean is getting honest here.

  155. parrot says:

    “Hostile.” GOOD WORD!

  156. ZCBest says:


  157. gbrbsb says:

    Brilliant Sean. The suspicious person had left the area, GZ had assented not to follow, so why would Sean be concerned?

  158. Nef05 says:

    “Hostile” excellent Sean!!!

  159. Tzar says:



  160. MrSykes says:


  161. chi1224 says:

    HOSTILE!!! Yep!! Damn right!

  162. amsterdam1234 says:

    Fucking hypocrite, he just tried to have Tracy Martin removed from the court room for allegedly saying mf.

  163. groans says:

    Instead of asking Sean if he had any concerns about this conversation, MOM breaking it into tiny bits so Sean answers over, and over, and over again that he had no cause for concern.

    (It doesn’t add up to diddly squat logically, but you never know what impact it can have on the jury. You know, like if you repeat something enough it tends to become fact in the minds of less discerning individuals,)

    MOM’s doing a good job, unfortunately!

    • Deborah Moore says:

      Especially considering the re-direct, I don’t think MOM did a good job.

    • chi1224 says:

      MOM is not a stupid man. He’s been poisoning the jury pool for a very long time. I personally believe that MOM and West know Fogen is guilty, but they don’t care. That is why they are slime in my book.

      • Malisha says:

        OH it’s OK with me for them to do their best to defend him even if they know he’s guilty. That’s his right: the best defense he can get. But don’t use deliberate lies, suborned witnesses, intentional perjury and witness blaming (if the witness is dead) and witness intimidation (of living witnesses) to accomplish that. Stay within the attorneys’ Canon of Ethics, even in Florida, where you have to put the word ethics into quotes whenever using it.

    • groans says:

      He might be cheating – e.g., he’s leading the witness, too, as well as adding facts not in evidence – but he is getting away with it! And it’s the State’s fault, again, for allowing him to get away with it.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It really depends. You don’t think so, and the jury might not find it impressive either. I see desperation.

  164. “He had no reason to follow and there was no concern for his safety.”

    Ooops. Just pretend it didn’t happen MOM, maybe the jury won’t notice.

  165. Deborah Moore says:

    Wow. The suspicious person left and there was no concern for the caller.
    That’s evidence, babies.
    So much for stand your ground.

  166. chi1224 says:

    “No concern for his safety”!! Fogen was never in danger!

  167. Judy A Vallejos says:

    I don’t know why but for some reason when JN is making a ruling and telling the dumbfense that they are not allowed or do something that they are doing they can not do it, it makes me feel better to increase the volume when she is telling them.

    Hammer Down

  168. Two sides to a story says:

    Spidey sense. Definitely OM’s been talking to or reading the Treestump.

  169. gbrbsb says:

    And an unofficial psychologist too !

  170. gbrbsb says:

    OMG, Mom want’s to get a non official audio expert in ?

  171. “What do you think that was?”
    “I have no idea.”
    “Could it have been….?”

    Shut up MOM. You can’t change the question because you don’t like the ANSWER!

  172. colin black says:

    Directions not a strong point for foggagge.

  173. Rachael says:

    Besides if it was him hitting the flashlight, sounds even MORE like he is in pursuit

  174. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    MOM and West are officially slime in my book.

  175. Rachael says:

    Considering GZ didn’t seem angry or elevated VS or anything after just shooting anyone either so consider the source. The guy is pathologic.

  176. trina cosbie says:


  177. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    We already knew this was going to be the duh-fense… everyone’s fault but Georgeies!

  178. disappointed says:

    So Fogen is so mentally challenged he thinks which way is he running to get out and run. Not something as simple as NSEor West? And someone declared him stable enough to carry a weapon.

  179. gbrbsb says:

    He could have got out of the car to go into his house… HTF was Sean supposed to know !

  180. gbrbsb says:

    MOM that’s a load of bullshit. Sean already told you he was “recommending” not to follow and GZ had assented. If your not recommending to follow, then keep an eye on means while still in view not to follow to keep him in view!

    • Rachael says:

      What idiot would possibly think otherwise? I mean REALLY!

      • Malisha says:

        He didn’t think otherwise. He’s trying to fit the facts into some puzzle that will come out meaning what happened did not really happen because blah blah blah blah so “We don’t need you to do that” comes out meaning, “we need you to do that” and “do not approach any suspicious persons” means “approach suspicious persons.” It’s just the abuser technology; old as the Hills.

  181. MrSykes says:

    Good job on the dispatcher not buying Omara’s suggestion that “let me know if he does anything” entails “keep an eye on him”.

    • KittySP says:

      Right. I think GZ was still in his truck at that time and according to GZ ‘circled his car’…wouldn’t that fall under “let me know if he does anything”? But remember he claims during his walkthrough that he told the dispatcher that.

  182. Rachael says:

    He answered – he said toward the back.

  183. colin black says:

    Running not skipping.

  184. Boyd says:

    oh now it’s 911 fault

  185. Sophia33 says:

    So they are going to admit that GZ did follow Trayvon Martin?

  186. I see, Zimmy followed because he thought “Let me know” was an implied instruction to follow.

  187. colin black says:

    Was the best address he could give
    He was only a thousand digits out.?

  188. colin black says:

    Sleuth says:

    June 24, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I see the confessed murderer is waking his arse up now.

    Just the diazipan/vallium wearing off
    Wait till after recess he will drop about 6 more an enter la la land

    Running for the shelter of foggagges little helper.

    • Sophia33 says:

      I agree.

    • Sleuth says:

      Colin, that’s too funny. How in the hell is he going to make it through this (like I really care if he doesn’t).

      Remember, Joonya and “The Shaken Baby Syndrome” bullshyte? Well that’s just how he was looking, almost about to start drooling from the mouth.

  189. Deborah says:

    What is this crap HLN is showing about Tracy Martin cursing at that fool Tucholski ? They are just trying to get Trayvon’s parent out of the courtroom

  190. Tzar says:

    The defense is silly as hell

  191. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    That man is lying. The reason MOM is trying to kick Tracy out of the courtroom is because Tracy was crying and it caught the jurist attention.

  192. chi1224 says:

    I think it’s amazing the defense plays this tape!

  193. colin black says:

    Wheres the skipping an circleing


    Foggage just loves to embellish his LIES.

    You got it?

    Wasn’t that what he alleges Trayvon said after he murdered him.

  194. Sleuth says:

    I see the confessed murderer is waking his arse up now.

  195. Leisa says:

    He still hears the same noise after GZ said ok. He did not stop following. Who hoo.

  196. YQ says:

    Damn I love this lawyer!!!!

    • Deborah Moore says:

      He’s adorable. He’s the guy who questions the nervous witness. Yes? Like a cousin. You’d give him anything. Nice job.

  197. Rachael says:

    GZ knew full well he didn’t want him to follow – he said it in his own handwritten statement that he was told not to follow.

  198. colin black says:

    Stareing whilst black actually makeing eye contact with me!

  199. chi1224 says:

    It’s hard to believe West actually played this during HIS opening. Fogen straight up sounds like a paranoid crazed NUT!

    • groans says:

      There was method to his madness. West got to remove any shock value – they heard it from the defense first. AND West added plenty of defense spin and extraneous “factoids” and thereby present it in the way that the defense wants the jury to first learn about it.

      That’s done to defuse the impact of negative facts/evidence, but the spin and factoids was an extra bonus for the defense because no one objected to their going beyond the boundaries of opening statement … until 2 1/2 into the opening statement.

  200. YQ says:

    Interesting to hear the NEN call after they deposed the clerk.

  201. chi1224 says:

    Fogen sounds like a psycho on the 911 call

    • Deborah Moore says:

      I’m still trying to figure out what he sounds like.
      George sounds hyped up, excited, and some other things. The other things are what I’m wondering about.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I agree, chi1224.

      • racerrodig says:

        Yep….now O’ Mara, who didn’t object to the previous calls of Fogen being in evidence finally saw where Mr. Mantei was going with it and once again, somebodies jaw was on the floor….sidebar, and the Judge quoted where the law says it probably will.

  202. Rachael says:

    But GZ tried to keep a life-threatening call from being made later.

  203. YQ says:

    This is getting good…. time for the “we don’t need you to do that” testimony.

  204. Trained Observer says:

    Angel a Corey walsk back in a minute later just before 3rd wit starts

  205. groans says:

    #3 Sean Noffke

  206. Deborah Moore says:

    It might have been interesting to hear just how many customers that man dealt with. Maybe.

  207. Trained Observer says:

    Angela Corey just walked out after second wit concluded

  208. Leisa says:

    If the kid didn’t get freaked out by the group of guys that came in after Trayvon (and he didn’t) what the hell is Mom thinking?

  209. Sleuth says:

    Hope Sean explains the “We don’t need you to do that”.

  210. Rachael says:

    Again with the height. He was measured on the slab. Cut it out you idiot.

  211. YQ says:

    LOL, he didn’t get any goodies from the store clerk. Nada.

  212. lurker says:

    OK–the ME’s report is not sufficient to establish Trayvon’s height?

  213. Nef05 says:

    Here we go with the Trayvon was ” a big scary balack man”.

    • looolooo says:

      Notice in the video that the 7-11 clerk seemed to feel at total ease with Trayvon in his store. He even turned his back on him, and made no effort to keep an eye on Trayvon. Even though 7-11’s and the like get robbed ALL THE TIME. Trayvon was NOT threatening or menacing in any way.

  214. disappointed says:

    WTF? Where is MOM going with this?

  215. colin black says:

    M O M insinuateing that Trayvon was some how suspious to the 7 11 guy

  216. Rachael says:

    Fricken asshole. Why would he remember anything? He didn’t stand out at all in any way.

  217. chi1224 says:

    F-ing O’Mara trying to act like the clerk got suspicious! Not working!

  218. colin black says:

    Foggagges going to be wanting some diazipan soon this is getting to real for him…

  219. Two sides to a story says:

    Trayvon’s dressed like an athlete, not like a thug.

  220. groans says:

    Poor Sybrina and Tracy, having to watch these videos.

  221. Deborah Moore says:

    M O M: If anything goes wrong with it, I don’t want it to be my fault.
    Could be speaking of the whole trial, ya think?

  222. YQ says:

    O’Mara, of course you don’t know how to use a laptop. That might explain why you couldn’t open the BIN file.

  223. Sophia33 says:

    They are going to play, the “Trayvon bought a blunt card now”

  224. gbrbsb says:

    Mom & Co’s swaying coming up soon I presume ?

  225. Tzar says:

    poor Trayvon
    look how skinny his legs are
    *sad smile*

  226. Sophia33 says:

    It was good that they put Chad up there. Showed that they didn’t have a bunch of thugs in the family. A handsome, well-spoken young man.

  227. Rachael says:

    Trayvon looks pretty skinny to me!

  228. chi1224 says:

    This is good too, it shows that Trayvon did not appear “suspicious” to the clerk.

  229. colin black says:

    7 11 employee whom served Tratvon.

  230. gbrbsb says:

    GZ’s nightmare… too many black people in his sight !

  231. Brandy says:

    Brandi’s son was so nervous, Bless his little heart

  232. Rachael says:

    Poor kid. That must have been hard. For anyone.

  233. FactsFirst says:

    Good job, Chad Joseph (NOT JOHNSON)! Trayvon would be soooo proud of you..

  234. groans says:

    Witness 2 – Andrew Gaugh

  235. Ty Flair says:

    If he did call him a MF it’s the dam truth all of them are one.

  236. lurker says:

    Good choice for an opening.

    O’Mara knew better than to try to intimidate him.

  237. Sleuth says:

    The confessed murderer is starring this kid down and breathing deep.

  238. Sleuth says:

    Chad is such a handsome young lad.

  239. Judy A Vallejos says:

    I am a bit behind on things. Busy this morning and have to go to sleep for work tonight.

    I just saw that West opened with a knock knock joke. That just shows how little they think of the serious tragedy that has occurred. I am so sadden by all of this. For the Martin family.

    I hope and pray that Justice comes swift.

    Will be back reading to catch up on everything, thanks to all who post here.

    Hoodies Up

    Justice for Trayvon!

  240. Rachael says:

    Just got done working for a couple hours. Guess I have a lot of catching up to do.

  241. Two sides to a story says:

    Poor kid must be really nervous. Looks good though.

  242. chi1224 says:

    This is great, he will establish for the jury that Trayvon was a normal teen, doing normal stuff, not some thug out looking for trouble. This will cause the jury to ask themselves- why would this teen, Trayvon attack fat fuck Fogen for no reason??? The answer is, he wouldn’t!

  243. disappointed says:

    thought he was 12 last year West?

  244. Sophia33 says:

    His last name is Joseph not Johnson!

  245. Tzar says:

    Chad Josephs is up first
    handsome lad

  246. colin black says:

    first witness chad joseph?

  247. disappointed says:

    poor kid!

  248. groans says:

    1st witness: Chad Joeseph.

  249. disappointed says:

    here we go first witness!!

  250. Valerie says:

    BDLR: who said it ?

    • Rachael says:

      What’s this? What did I miss?

      • Sleuth says:

        A guy named Timothy, a friend of the zidiots, told O’Dirty Mr. Martin called him an muther f—ker during his (Timothy’s) bathroom break.

        O’Dirty gave JN the impression occurred this a.m. However, under cross exam by BDLR, the guy said it happened 2 weeks ago. But it didn’t tell any of the court officers, only told She-lie.

        O’Dirty wanted Mr. Martin to be removed from the courtroom. JN said he could stay. I didn’t believe this guys story, and neither did JN.

        These zidiots are beyond cray-cray.

      • groans says:

        Wasn’t it great how completely mellow and unrattled Tracy Martin was? You could just look at him and know: There’s a man with a clear conscience.

      • Trained Observer says:

        And notice how BDLR quickly made O’Mara and the scum-wit look like fools … on zero notice, with no time to research.

      • aussie says:

        Yes he has… he’s had over a year to “research” MOM & Co being fools. Not too hard to prove, either.

  251. gbrbsb says:

    Getting back to business notice how West was justifying (even before we know exactly which classes he took) the “grappling” classes , i.e. that GZ didn’t chose classes because he wanted to do that or because he was good at it but was obliged to take any classes that fitted in with his schedule.

    I posted above Wiki’s definition of grappling. Certainly explains the excruciating shrieks on the 911 call and also what GZ was doing with his arms and legs while Trayvon was supposedly punching him in the face, pummelling his head into the concrete, and trying to smother him with both hands… while all that was supposedly happening GZ had two legs and two arms free to buck, grapple, wrestle, and hold.

    And anyone wonder why he never told the police he had taken grappling lessons… is that a resounding NO !?

  252. Trained Observer says:

    From now on Tracy & Sybrina need to be surrounded by friends and fam to protect from this sort of attack by Fogen fans. Disgusting. JN should call attorneys into chambers and rip O’Mara a new one for airing that nonsense.

    • groans says:

      Isn’t that how AA’s are treated by racists all the time? Made to feel like they’re “in trouble” and better be on their “best behavior” at all times? Just like their work has to be better than others’ at the office?

      • ZCBest says:


      • Malisha says:

        Correct. The “default assumption” for white racists is that white = right and allegations that a white was not right are made in bad faith and for pecuniary gain. The “default assumption” that goes hand-in-hand with this is that Blacks are always doing wrong unless some white authority keeps them in line and prevents it; when there is a lack of control over them, one can easily ATTRIBUTE bad behavior to them and not need to prove it.

  253. Woow! says:

    Osterman better be careful and not let MOM get him in trouble once he get on the stand if he wants to keep his job. He is already on thin ice being that he can not fly anonymous.

  254. colin black says:

    Bill Sheafer an some dude apoligiseing for bad languge.

  255. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    Fair is fair… my parents and his parents too…. (EYE’s a rollin)

  256. Valerie says:

    Why does the judge have to repeat herself over and over to West and Omara …

    • MichelleO says:

      So that when she puts rat-ass away, the tree apes won’t rape and pillage the communities, peoples, and properties they so hate.

    • MrSykes says:

      These guys look like bona fide amateurs today.

    • Yorazigo says:

      To me it smells very much like a set up by defense for an appeal for lack of competent counsel – with JN on record time & again explaining the law to defense lawyers (i.e., don’t know the law or rules evidentiary procedure = incompetent counsel). I’d like to get Professor’s perspective on this angle.

  257. elcymoo says:

    This defense team’s behavior wobbles from pathetic to petty, but it never strays far away from bizarre.

  258. colin black says:

    So not only Trayvon on trial his Father to that family an there aqaintances have no shame.

  259. whonoze says:

    F’crissakes. Tracy Martin’s a man. If he’d wanted to curse at this guy, he’d have looked him in the face. He was looking down. He could have been cursing to himself about something else. Maybe his new shows for court were giving him a blister. This witness seemed to understand that whatever he heard was trivial, and seemed embarrassed that ShelLie had blown it up into something that got him up in the box…

    • jm says:

      ShelLIE is a lying pig who I have new contempt for after today, not to mention MOM using this hearsay idiot’s statement. They are FOOLS, lying self-indulgent fools.

    • groans says:

      I just wish Bernie had asked, “WHO told you to come here and testify to this?” But, he didn’t.

    • Malisha says:

      He was looking down. He could have been cursing to himself about something else. Maybe his new shows for court were giving him a blister. This witness seemed to understand that whatever he heard was trivial, and seemed embarrassed that ShelLie had blown it up into something that got him up in the box…

      Or, of course, Maybe Tracy Martin said NOTHING and this entire thing is a lie made up out of whole cloth. The witness could have lied to start with or Shellie could have lied on HIM but either way, it could be a lie and the witness got scared he’d end up with a perjury charge against him so he waffled himself out of the situation with BDLR’s help.

      I trust NOTHING that any of the Fogenites ever says. EVER.

    • Sleuth says:

      I don’t believe Mr. Martin ever said anything to that little peeps squeek. It took the zidiot klan 2 weeks to come up with that lie. Judge Nelson saw right through it.

  260. MichelleO says:

    If there were ever a family that should be put on view and ran out of town, it is these people. Imagine the amount of suffering and pain they have inflicted on people and communities throughout the years. Why lightening has not struck these dirty freaks from the face of the Earth, I do not know.

  261. Trained Observer says:

    I think this segment was designed to stir up trouble outside the courtroom, to get beg site funds rolling in … to distract from John Guy’s powerful opener.

    • concernedczen says:

      Yep. Fortunately, the jury will hear nothing of it.

    • MichelleO says:

      It’s amazing how many people like them they keep finding to be their friends. I would not want to work, play, or live near any of these people. The amount of bullshat they must keep up. The amount of lives they must have tampered with or destroyed. They are truly frightening.

  262. Boyd says:

    and another no one saw or heard it but him. Just like George.

  263. So the jury got to see BOTH the defense lawyers get bitched slapped by the judge for their lack of understanding of the law 🙂


    • whonoze says:

      No MMP. Jury was not in the room.

    • groans says:

      God, I hope the jury wasn’t in the courtroom for that last abuse of process!

      I mean, the State came out looking good, but the jury should NOT be privy to these defense’s ridiculous, vindictive games!!

  264. groans says:

    Professor and/or Crane Station, if you’re out there –

    I think we need a new page. With 1,800+ comments already, this page is acting slow and weird (taking forever to post comments or refresh)

  265. ay2z says:

    O’Mara is hypocriting it again, ‘but judge’, they might be listing witnesses to keep them out of the courtroom’– Does he forget who FIRST listed family to keep them out? Wasn’t that why the state countered?

  266. looolooo says:

    OMG! WTF! silently shaking my head. speechless.

  267. Sleuth says:

    These zidiots will not stop at nothing. And nothing they pull will prevent the confessed murderer from being found GUILTY and sent off to prison.

  268. Trained Observer says:

    Under skilled grilling by BDLR, witness waffles … we learn he doesn’t even remember what day this allegation happened. Ends up looking like a typical Zim-ass..

    JN sez forgeddabout it, Tracy and Sybrina are staying in. …

    • Dave says:

      I thought Bernie handled the crossexamination brilliantly. He let the guy save face and shift the responsibility entirely to O’Mara.

  269. MichelleO says:

    SO, now that the Fulton/Martin’s know that the fogainaires will be borrowing tactics and operating from the Tricky Dick School of Dirty of Tricks, they had better be aware and on their best behavior.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Their behavior has been impeccable. It’s the Zims who behave like the turds they are …

  270. chi1224 says:

    I had to my computer for a few minutes earlier, did West finally finish his bullshit OS? Does anybody know who the first witness will be??

  271. Tzar says:

    If there ever was a doubt as to the lowly character of the Zimmerman klan, it ought to be gone now

  272. Valerie says:

    i can not believe what just happened…Omara is so pitiful.

  273. ay2z says:

    Damn, Shellie is causing problems with her lying again. She’s playing a risky game.

    • MichelleO says:

      I’m glad that their active propensity for mischief and hijinks has been outed. This only demonstrates what kind of people they truly are. They haven’t missed a step yet in demonstrating that they are sewer rats in human form.

      • jm says:

        Obese self-indulgent sewer rats who will stop at nothing to have their way. The whole Zimmerman clan is dishonest and manipulative.

    • looolooo says:

      is there anybody out there who still feels sorry for ShelLIE? I never have, and never will. She and Tubo deserve each other.

      • Malisha says:

        WELL I feel sorry for her because she DOES deserve him.

        • jm says:

          Never, ever, ever felt sorry for ShelLIE since the prison phone calls and her phone testimony after hiding the money in different accounts in order to defraud the court. She and GZ think alike and are both low-life low-intelligence cons who appear to be greedy self-indulgent people who think they are above the law. .

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I think we can now see that Shellie hasn’t turned state’s witness.

  274. fauxmccoy says:

    what a flipping zoo