Trayvon Martin: The prosecution is not crumbling

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Now that W8 (Dee Dee) has apparently admitted during the defense deposition on March 13th that she lied when she told Benjamin Crump during a telephone interview and later confirmed to BDLR that she did not go to Trayvon Martin’s funeral because she was sick and went to a hospital, the inevitable question is:

How might this affect the trial?

First, do not expect to see her charged with perjury because BDLR’s question was ambiguous (i.e., went to a hospital or someplace) and her answer was not material (i.e., important enough to affect the outcome of the trial).

Second, let’s take a look at how this admission might come out at trial.

BDLR would ask her if she attended the wake or the funeral and she would answer, “No.”

BDLR would then ask her why not and she probably would answer that she was too upset and could not handle it.

Assuming for the sake of argument that the prosecution either did not move in limine (i.e., before the trial begins) to prohibit the defense from pursuing this line of inquiry pursuant to Rule 608(b) or if it did, Judge Nelson denied the motion, BDLR would have the option to end that line of inquiry (i.e., permitting the defense to bring it out on cross) or to proceed further and reveal her lie).

Any experienced prosecutor, and BDLR is experienced, would elect to reveal her lie in the least damaging manner possible rather than allow the defense to bring it out on cross in the most damaging manner possible.

This is how it might work:

BDLR: Do you recall Benjamin Crump interviewing you by phone in March of last year regarding your cell phone conversations with Trayvon before the shooting?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Do you recall him asking you, if you went to Trayvon’s wake and funeral?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: What, if anything did you tell him?

DD: I told him that I did not go to either one.

BDLR: Was that truth?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Did he ask why you did not go the funeral and the wake?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: What did you tell him?

DD: I told him I was sick and went to the hospital.

BDLR: Was that the truth?

DD: No.

BDLR: What was the truth?

DD: I was too upset and could not handle it.

BDLR: Why didn’t you tell him that?

DD: I did not want to admit to his mother that I was not strong enough to be there for her.

BDLR: Are you referring to Sybrina Fulton?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Was Trayvon’s mother present when Mr. Crump interviewed you?

DD: Yes, she was in Mr. Crump’s office listening over the speaker phone.

BDLR: How did you know that?

DD: Mr. Crump introduced her and she said, “Hello.”

BDLR: Did there come a later time when I interviewed you in person?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Do you recall when that was?

DD: I think it was about a month later.

BDLR: Was Trayvon’s mother present when I interviewed you?

DD: Yes, she gave me a ride to the office where you interviewed me and she sat next to me the whole time.

BDLR: Did you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth during the interview?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Did I ask you if you went to the funeral and the wake?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: What did you say?

DD: I lied and told you that my blood pressure was very high and I went to the hospital instead.

BDLR: Do you suffer from high blood pressure?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Why did you lie to me?

DD: I did not want to admit to Trayvon’s mother that I could not deal with what happened to Trayvon. I could not handle seeing him dead or in a casket, so I lied to her and to Mr. Crump.

BDLR: Are you sorry that you lied?

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Have you apologized to Trayvon’s mom and dad.

DD: Yes.

BDLR: Did you love Trayvon?

DD: Yes, I still do.

BDLR: Do you miss him?

DD: Yes, very much.

BDLR: Thank you. Your witness, counsel.

Picture this scene taking place before a jury in a crowded courtroom in June with a nation and the world looking on, after the prosecution has introduced all of its damning evidence against the defendant, including the medical examiner’s testimony using graphic color photos taken during the autopsy, as this young woman confesses her love and affection for Trayvon while baring her soul and tearfully confessing to her overwhelming sense of loss, responsibility, confusion, weakness and guilt.

If BDLR conducts the direct examination properly, as I believe he will, the best cross will be no cross. The jury will not take kindly to a defense attorney picking on her and prolonging her agony.

Finally, do not forget that the phone records and the other evidence in the case will independently confirm everything else she says about her conversation with Trayvon.

One understandable simple lie by Dee Dee is relatively unimportant compared to the vast ocean of lies uttered by the defendant in this case.

Is the prosecution crumbling? I don’t think so.

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83 Responses to Trayvon Martin: The prosecution is not crumbling

  1. PYorck says:

    After looking at the docket I am curious about two identical items:

    03/20/2013 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE-ORDER TO SEAL ATTACHED

    http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A

    What are those about? There are no others of the same type listed as far as I can tell.

  2. George Zimmerman: Defendant’s Supplemental Witness List (Redacted)

    http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/witness_list.pdf

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      What??? How come Rent-a-Friend isn’t on the list?

      • Malisha says:

        I think witnesses who were perfectly willing to lie and make up every kind of ridiculous crap BEFORE Shellie got charged with perjury are NOW really not willing to get up there and face the possibility of joining Shellie and/or Fogen in the BIG HOUSE! Lying on TV? No prob, homie. Lying under oath in the courtroom? Uh oh…

        • racerrodig says:

          That poor Bible is gonna start smokin’ when those lying clowns start talking…..Spontaneous Combustion…..and God will not be happy.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I guess Fogen can’t, any longer, get his boys to handle a little sumptin for him and keep their mouths shut so he won’t get pinched? Hee hee hee. Hey Fogen, you’re not in Virginia any more!
          Somebody get that guy a pair of red slippers.

      • racerrodig says:

        Yeah !! Where is Big Joe….and he quit his job to help out Fogen.

  3. Demand For Specific Discovery

    http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/discovery_demand_326.pdf

    The following categories of information are requested in whatever native file format in which they were created. By way of example, all digital files (such as email, text messages, postings) are to be forwarded digitally.

    Any and all data in the State’s possession or the State has received regarding any downloads from any phone number connected to George Zimmerman or his wife Shellie Zimmerman or any information that the law enforcement has retrieved, received, or investigated concerning George Zimmerman’s phone, phones, and/or phone numbers.

    • Xena says:

      Any and all data in the State’s possession or the State has received regarding any downloads from any phone number connected to George Zimmerman or his wife Shellie Zimmerman or any information that the law enforcement has retrieved, received, or investigated concerning George Zimmerman’s phone, phones, and/or phone numbers.

      George is going to have that heart attack before June 10th.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        God’s plan, Xena? Might be just as well, except we want to see him sweat in court.

        • Xena says:

          @Two sides. See, GZ plans on having a medical emergency the evening of June 9th so he can’t appear in court on the 10th. Now, after reading the demand for specific discovery again, my guess is that O’Mara has those communications hard copy, and GZ claims they are not what he wrote – not what he said – stuff has been changed, added, deleted. He has even argued that ShelLIE texted the most damaging communications, which is why O’Mara wants ShelLIE’s phone records too.

  4. cielo62 says:

    >^..^~ all that “lie” does is show a very hurt young lady. Hurt but still unwilling to cause Trayvons mom any additional pain. No, the prosecution is not crumbling.

  5. boyd says:

    does anyone know if the Bla-ack kids Zimmerman mentored is on the defense witness list? I had heard so much about them.

    • ay2z says:

      Interesting that you mention this. Anyone notice the Robert Zimmerman SR interview done from the shadows on Fox, has Hannity ask if he knew about his son mentoring the young black kids. Guess who did NOT choose to answer that, but opted for the double barrelled question option, of the homeless man story. Seems SR did not know about the mentoring story. Listen to that again and see. Strange he would not know about this if were true.

    • racerrodig says:

      Nope….it comes down to “What Balack kids” Mentoring….huh ? what ??? Oh, those Balack kids……..they all died…..yeah !! That’s the ticket !!

      • Malisha says:

        Yeah. He mentored them. He taught them how to know their place. Coincidentally, their place was in the cemetery. Interesting plot for a mystery…

        • racerrodig says:

          MMP said about a week ago that Fogen will probably die in prison, his useless brother won’t even think about claiming the body and pay for a Funeral, SheLie will be long gone and mom & dad will have predeceased him…..he’ll be buried in a prison cemetery.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        I continue to marvel that some people still do not get the import of GZ being a proven, brazen, baldfaced liar. He lies, even to the point of being a compulsive liar. Meaning he tells lies, even when there is nothing at stake, and/or when lying will do more harm than any possible good. Still he lies, and he smirks with enjoyment when he realizes that he won’t be caught, either because there is no way to contradict him or because the lie is just to trivial to refute.

        He was thrilled to be terrorizing Trayvon, he was enjoying it immensely, he would have continued much longer but, he realized by way of witnesses coming and going, and the police being on the way, that his time to enjoy himself was running out and he needed to cap things off, by removing the best witness against him.

        It wasn’t what Trayvon could say that he feared, but the childlike demeanor and abject harmlessness that Trayvon’s manners would project. The public must not be allowed to observe for themselves, the true nature of the victim he chose to demonize.

        Of course, it may also be that Trayvon was a witness to GZ having “helpers”, which would elevate the seriousness of what was going on. For example, I’d sure like to know what business those 3 at 711 had with Trayvon, or he had with them. 7 minutes is much to long to spend with acquaintances who just happen by.

        If Trayvon was enjoying his walk to the store, while talking to his girlfriend, I sincerely doubt that he’d be expressing a wish that his mother was there, as DD relates he did. That seems to say he was troubled by this trip. But then, if so, then why make the trip at all?
        Less on a rainy day, sunset is hardly the optimal time to leave. The parents had left for dinner over an hour ago and the round trip would be around 30 minutes or so. So, why not leave before sunset?
        Things that make you go Hmmmm, eh?

    • boyd says:

      You cannot believe a word he says unless there’s proof. Else you’ll be arguing about what happened forever. I do not believe he parked where he said, I don’t know the length of time that expired from Fogen’s first contact to Fogen’s 911 call. I’m not taking his word for it.

      • racerrodig says:

        He’s not even a good liar at that. There is question as to who his real mom is. Nothing like that old joke being true with Fogen.

        “..we’re still trying to figure out who the real mom is…” when they play that race game…..!! All those Zidiots with that denigration of Trayvon, his mom, his dad Crump et al with the who has illegitimate kids crap since last March or so is a real hoot.

        Talk about hypocrisy !!

      • Jun says:

        He parked by the clubhouse. The GPS records will prove it.

        1) We never heard any car driving noises, so, he was parked

        2) The engine of his car was not running

        3) It was the only way he could have seen Trayvon in the dark of the night, if he was close by him

        4) It is a reason why Trayvon became scared and tried to run away from the creepy stranger stalking him

        And his numerous contradictions on where he parked his car, will just undermine his credibility because he’s lying about issues to make it seem like he never stalked Trayvon and he’s trying to frame Trayvon

    • Rachael says:

      Well Boyd, what I heard is that the parents didn’t want them involved in this. Trying to keep them out of the limelite you know.

      BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS

  6. Malisha says:

    O’Mara is going for the “Trayvon was bad and his girlfriend’s a liar” defense because he KNOWS Fogen committed murder. This is like the defense lawyers for guys who murder their girlfriends and the defense is “the bitch deserved it.” Beneath contempt.

    • boyd says:

      yes it’s very lame and sickening. BDLR says it’s being tried in court not the media. The thing that worries me is it’s Florida. I live in Pa/Maryland I do not believe MOM crap would work in the Amish/ Pa Dutch area where I live. They do not take kindly to nonsense.

      • racerrodig says:

        I live in Nj and Fogen would have been arrested that night and his bail at least 1 million. The defense would never get away with this garbage….not in Jersey.

      • Jun says:

        Well Florida is starting to get its reputation back a bit

        Montanez is fried

        Dooley is fried

        Dunn will be fried

        But they did treat him with baby gloves

        In any other state, New York even, California, Fogen would be in jail right now

        I say, let’s wait and see, before we make a judgement

    • racerrodig says:

      Yep !! God forbid it’s actually the killers fault in anyway.

  7. boyd says:

    I agree 100%. I know nothing about the law. I’ve learned from reading your blog. I’ve never viewed a court case from a lawyer’s perpective. From my perspective her hospital story is trivial. In fact MOM entire defense so far is trivial. . GZ wishes he had that passport about now.

    • racerrodig says:

      ” GZ wishes he had that passport about now.”

      Got that right, probably wishes he never got out of that Honda that night either, despite his claim he’d do it all over again claim.

  8. Malisha says:

    I think every other witness should be carefully investigated to find out if they have ever lied in their lives. Did they ever say they were sick to get off school in high school? Did they ever say “the check is in the mail” when it wasn’t? Let’s really get to the bottom of this! Oh yeah: Did they ever have a graduation party when they had not graduated? Did they ever claim to have a degree they did not have? Did they ever claim to have had to kill somebody they simply offed because he was presumably an asshole about to get away? Or anything like that? Homie? 🙄

    • ay2z says:

      Too high a standard, Malisha, we must remember that only a Robert Z Sr. has a grown adult child who has never lied to his parent, and we know that to be true and not a deception, because he said that under oath. (snark zone)

      • racerrodig says:

        It must have been a ghost who took the last cookie, spilled the milk, failed a test, was late coming home, didn’t take out the trash, yada, yada, yada.

        No, a FogenPhoolePhamily member would never lie….never.

  9. onlyiamunitron says:

    follow

    unitron

  10. racerrodig says:

    BDLR: Did you love Trayvon?

    DD: Yes, I still do.

    BDLR: Do you miss him?

    DD: Yes, very much.

    To be honest, I welled up when I read that part….no lie either. As a parent this is very hard to swallow and I can’t imagine that most of the jurors won’t be affected.

    Well done as always Professor……

  11. LLMPapa says:

    Several months ago, I removed the questioning and interaction of Bernie de la Rionda from the audio of DeeDee’s statement in order to hear her story in a narrative format. The following is her story of the last few moments of her childhood friend’s life.

    In June of this year, when called, I believe this young girl will rise and stand tall with a strength of purpose and resolve born of the knowledge that her story needs to be heard.

    Listen to her words and answer, for yourself, the question I’ve raised at the end.

    Personally, I don’t think there’ll be a dry eye in the house.

    I plan on being there.

    I’ll let you know.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      So moving, so well done, LLMPapa!
      Superb question at the end.
      I just posted it on the NBC blog where our Trayvon team is still engaged in a discussion with those “others”.

    • I’ll be sitting right there beside you Papa.

    • Malisha says:

      OK, here.

      DeeDee didn’t ask to be in this situation. She was just talking to her boyfriend and all of a sudden he’s dead and her whole life is under a microscope to see if she is a (a) thug’s moll; or a (b) Pba-lack racist; or a (c) liar; or a (d) fill in the blank with any insulting, negative, racist comment imaginable.

      What the Hell is THAT about?

      Here’s what it is about: SHE is associated with a victim who is supposed to be blamed. SHE gets that hatred for the victim all over HER by not climbing on the abusers’ band wagon to help them put down the dangerous (already dead) victim! This is what happens to those who are associated with victims who are supposed to be blamed for their own victimization.

      Hoodies up for DeeDee! She’s on the phone with Trayvon when a self-appointed white godling decides to apply the death sentence to an unknown kid HE identifies as “the suspect.” That’s not her fault and she doesn’t owe anybody an apology for anything.

      Shame shame SHAME on the defense team!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Outstanding, Malisha, just outstanding!
        Hoodies up for DeeDee!

      • racerrodig says:

        Well Stated !!

      • ladystclaire says:

        These people West and O’mara along with Fogen and family have no shame because, they are morally bankrupt. this case ca’t get tried fast enough for me. as for those who know more than they are telling, they should also bear some of that shame seeing that they can tell the truth and, shut both Jr. and the defense up once and for all.

    • ay2z says:

      Please do let us know! I will surely have Dee Dee’s back from a distance, I know she has many new supportive friends of all sizes, shapes, colours, colors, backgrounds, ethnicity, talents, interests, philosophies, who are behind her 100%.

    • ay2z says:

      Beautifully stated, Papa

  12. Tzar says:

    Could Zimmerman lying about graduating from college or telling his co-worker that he was mugged be used to impeach his claim about being punched in the nose?

    • ay2z says:

      Sure, pile it on…. thing is, he doesn’t need any help from anyone else on this front. But I do wonder about his claim of his ‘height’ at 5′ 10 (TEN) inches (his Myspace page) and the propaganda stream that has a much much much much taller male in Trayvon, at 5’11 (that’s, for the lurking Z-fam-fans, one/uno/un/ich/ein/1 inch taller, only ONE inch taller!).

      (To quote Papa’s choice of comedian, “you can’t fix stupid!)

  13. parrot says:

    Thank you, Professor, for fleshing out how BDLR may approach this issue.

  14. I don’t think I could have handled going to the funeral either. In my sophomore year in high school a guy I crushed on drowned during the summer vacation while visting his older brother. I was so heart broken but I kept it inside. I heard many students walked up to the view the body and fainted. It was too much to bear.

  15. leander22 says:

    No idea how I managed to make this disappear, but it looked like this actually before I changed something seemingly to fast:

    *********************************

    Very, good Frederick, one little point, and maybe that’s only me:

    BDLR: Did you love like Trayvon?

    DD: Yes, I liked him a lot, I liked to be with him, talk to him. I still do [guess that doesn’t work anymore here]

    BDLR: Do you miss him?

    DD: Yes, very much.

    BDLR: Thank you. Your witness, counsel.

    It doesn’t change much, does it? But it gives her a chance to talk more easily. I didn’t think in terms of love at that age, I though it terms of liking to be with someone. As I said, that may be just me. Strictly I have never moved beyond that stage. 😉

  16. Professor

    You’re good! Rock on!

    **daps**

  17. leander22 says:

    love like Trayvon?

    DD: Yes, I liked him a lot, I liked to be with him, talk to him. I still do [guess that doesn’t work anymore here]

    BDLR: Do you miss him?

    DD: Yes, very much.

    BDLR: Thank you. Your witness, counsel.

    It doesn’t change much, does it? But it gives her a chance to talk more more feely. I didn’t think in terms of love at that age, I thought it terms of liking to be with someone, feeling good around him. As I said, that may be just me. Strictly I have never moved beyond that stage. 😉

  18. PiranhaMom says:

    I have never considered Dee Dee’s statements regarding her absence at Trayvon’s wake and funeral to be “a lie.”

    She had not only her own tumultuous emotions overwhelming her (everything she wished she had told Trayvon about what he meant to her – but now, could not), she also had Trayvon’s grieving mother listening to the conversation.

    Dee Dee coud not bear to see her hurt further. So — she “side-stepped” the literal truth.

    There is only one other avenue of questioning that I would like to see Bernie de la Rionda travel, because older jurors have NO IDEA, with the advent of cell-phones, just how much young people talk with each other (unless they are parents paying for it!)

    BdlR: “Have you known Trayvon for a long time.”

    DD: “Yes.”

    “How long, could you say?”

    “Since kindergarten.”

    “Was this a special friendship to you?”

    “Yes.”

    “Did Trayvon call you often?”

    “Yes. Mostly every day.”

    “Did he ever call you more than once a day?”

    “Oh yes, often.”

    “Trayvon’s phone records show that he spoke with you for 6 hours and 12 minutes on February 26, 2012. Was that lenghth of time unusual?”

    “Oh no, we always had a lot to talk about.”

    “Did you consider Trayvon your closest friend?”

    “Yes.”

    “Did you and Trayvon ever talk about the future – life after high school, college, careers? What you would be doing with your life, what he would be doing?”

    “Oh yes. We talked about that all the time … ”

    (softly) “Thank you very much.” (de la Ronda’s final statement to Dee Dee.)

  19. BENJAMIN CRUMP, ESQ’S RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION DATED MARCH 15, 2013

    http://tmwarriors.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2013-03-26-crump-resp-in-opp-to-def-m-reconsideration.pdf

  20. ay2z says:

    Favor please Crane and Prof?.. this above video cut off early, can we please substitute?

    [ask and you shall receive]

    This is for Dee Dee,

    The youtube page includes the following:

    “Black and White” is a song written in 1954 by David I. Arkin and Earl Robinson. The most successful recording of the song was the pop version by Three Dog Night in 1972, when it reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

    The song was inspired by the United States Supreme Court decision of Brown v. Board of Education that outlawed racial segregation of public schools. The original folk song was first recorded by Sammy Davis Jr. in 1957.[1] The original lyrics of the song opened with this verse, in reference to the court: “Their robes were black, Their heads were white, The schoolhouse doors were closed so tight, Nine judges all set down their names, To end the years and years of shame.” LYRICS: – words by David Arkin, music by Earl Robinson, 1956

    The ink is black, the page is white
    Together we learn to read and write
    A child is black, a child is white
    The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

    And now a child can understand
    That this is the law of all the land, all the land

    The world is black, the world is white
    It turns by day and then by night
    A child is black, a child is white
    Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

    And now at last we plainly see
    We’ll have a dance of Liberty, Liberty!

    The world is black, the world is white
    It turns by day and then by night
    A child is black, a child is white
    The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

    The world is black, the world is white
    It turns by day and then by night
    A child is black, a child is white
    Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

    The world is black, the world is white
    It turns by day and then by night
    A child is black, a child is white
    The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

    The world is black, the world is white
    It turns by day and then by night
    A child is black, a child is white
    Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

    C’mon, get it, get it
    Ohh-ohhhh, yeah, yeah
    Keep it up now, around the world
    Little boys and little girls
    Yeah, yeah-eah, oh-ohhh

  21. Jun says:

    I agree

    I also do not feel it can be used anyways due to prejudice

    I do not think it even falls under misconduct because it sounds like she was trying to spare Sybrina’s feelings

    So the trait proven is the witness will tell a white lie to not hurt a crying victim’s family member

    and Omara cant use circumstantial character evidence to prove she acted in accordance with that trait

    However, it is up to the judge and jury to weigh her statement and they will see that she is truthful in regards to material matters

    and yes, the alleged white lies by DD, do not make all of Fogen’s crooked’s straight, nor does it make Omara’s crookeds straight

  22. Xena says:

    DeeDee, don’t let the bullies keep you from testifying. Hold your head up.

  23. ay2z says:

    And, Mr. Blackwell is certainly not crumbling either, under the latest motion to re-consider.

    Defendant burdens the Court with a motion for reconsideration without asserting any of the accepted bases for seeking relief. The proper purpose for a motion for reconsideration is to give the “trial court an opportunity to consider matters which it failed to consider or overlooked,” not matters that the Court has already considered and decided. See, e.g., Pingree v. Quaintance…..

    …Indeed, a motion for reconsideration is not the proper procedure for re-arguing the whole case merely because the losing party disagrees with the Court’s decision.

    • ay2z says:

      further, from pg 2, Blackwell addresses O’Mara’s assertion that Dee Dee’s statements now should come into play:

      Prelude to a smackdown:

      …Defendant seems to also suggest that the discovery of some contradictory statements by Witness 8 somehow gives rise to the right to depose opposing counsel. Perhaps the guidance provided by this Court’s March 4, 2013 Order was largely ignored or neglected by the Defendant.

  24. ay2z says:

    Thank you. Dee Dee would thank you, no doubt in my mind.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I agree, ay2z. Great post, Professor!

      Deedee, you have my love and support.

      When you’re weary
      Feeling small
      When tears are in your eyes
      I will dry them all

      I’m on your side
      When times get rough
      And friends just can’t be found
      Like a bridge over troubled water
      I will lay me down
      Like a bridge over troubled water
      I will lay me down

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      • fauxmccoy says:

        excellent quote. this may be the most difficult song i learned to play in 12 years of classic piano lessons and playing many a recital, wedding, social gatherings etc. my favorite version i will post below because it was the first time the song was heard in public, ever. the audience is silently mesmerized throughout the performance, but the applause at the end is as exquisite as the performance.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Oh, fauxmccoy, that IS the most moving version I have ever heard *tears*
        and, what an amazing response from the audience to his premier performance of the song!

        • fauxmccoy says:

          glad you enjoyed, thank you for reminding me and giving me an opportunity to share with those who have not yet heard. 🙂

      • ay2z says:

        Another worthy of our young woman friend of Trayvon, Dee Dee. Thank you, Faux

      • ay2z says:

        Your choice– excellent, You all have thoughtful comments. You couldn’t have chosen better.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Nice of you to say, ay2z. By the way you can call me Yahtc or Yahtzee.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Right you are Professor, since if a witness has lied, the question that immediately comes to mind is “why did they lie?”. Obviously if the lie is on the order of telling Aunt Bea that her hair is marvelous and how stunning she looks today, normal people will recoil in horror at anyone who insist that the truth be told at all times. (lol)

      Thus the jurors will weigh the lie against it’s material effects and the motivations therefore. This lie has motivations that are foreign to the matter at hand and no material effects.

      Best yet, is that the prosecution will be able to demonstrate that, DD had no capacity to fashion any useful lie at that time, for she and Attorney Crump, as well as anyone else present, lacked the materiel and/or sufficient understanding, to know what to lie about, such that the lie would not be revealed by later discoveries. Thus, any effort at coaching, would have required the parties to amass for study copious quantities of case materials not in evidence, and devote a serious quantity of time in analysis of it. Also not in evidence. To demonstrate this, afaik, it took more than 70 man hours, with the cctv’s to deduce that GZ’s NEN call started at the mail boxes rather than at the clubhouse as GZ claimed. I’m sure other more ideal example are available to illustrate this as well.

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