Featuring: Frank Taaffe

An individual posted a telling comment at 8:22 pm yesterday using the name Frank TV.

According to his email address, his name is Frank Taaffe.

Normally, I would have diverted the comment into the spam cue, however, this short diatribe is notable, not so much for its racism and foul language, but because of the reference to a “kid crying.”

Are u just a fucking jackass niggra lover. Cutcher and selma said they saw nothing just heard a kid crying u motherfucking shit stirrer

Well, Mr. Frank,

“If you plant corn, you’re gonna get corn.”

You earned this.

I’m going to stuff it down your fat throat.

Choke on it! Southern Man.

536 Responses to Featuring: Frank Taaffe

  1. After checking on the neighborhood watch organizations across the country, it is clear George Zimmerman didn’t/doesn’t understand that “neighborhood watch” means WATCH; AND REPORT … NO ACTION YOURSELF. It also doesn’t authorize carrying a firearm and acting like the neighborhood vigilante. Someone needs to catch George up on the true meaning of “neighborhood watch.”

  2. smokeegyrl says:

    OMGosh. He sounds like the David P on the events page. The Petition site has been attacked by the GZ supporters. An email has been sent to MoveOn.org to delete those attacks. Thanks for all you do.

  3. I can’t wait for BDLR to get that drunken mess of a Man on the witness stand!

  4. onlyiamunitron says:

    “Choke on it! Southern Man.”

    Taaffe doesn’t strike me as a particularly Southern name.


  5. colin black says:

    Remember any voices heard on the 911 tape I can hear Trayvons despprate howl silanced mid howl by the fatal shot.
    I also hear a second voice differnt saying fuck more than likely foggen.

    Any other voices heard through fancy systems may be others involved.Or maybe background noise from a loud neighbours tv.
    Or the callers tv even.

  6. SearchingMind says:

    Did GZ CONFESS to 2nd Degree Murder?

    @ Patricia (PiranhaMom)

    I asked:

    Can those of us who have listened very carefully to the 911-recording confirm or deny (with reasonable certainty) that the words: “stay down”! and/or “don’t move!”, could be heard in the background?

    You replied:

    “Have you heard this, or similar commands? I do not have studio-quality beadphones, so I have not heard it. I recall others saying they have, but after 6,000 posts from students, cannot give you a name, alas. I envision that such a command would have been made by Zimmerman AFTER Trayvon failed to answer the question, that Trayvon answered with “I don’t knowwwwww..” We have been thinking on this site that GZ was either trying to get a confession from from Trayvon, to: (a)”Did you rob these houses?” NO? Who did? You know these guys? Give me the names!” or: (b) after Zimmerman demands “What are you doing around here?” TRayvon said, “I’m staying here” or “I live at Mrs. Green’s” or “I’m visiting Brandi.” and GZ barks, “Yeah -What’s the numberrr?” and Trayvon screams, “I don’t knowwwww…” (…)”.

    Seallison’s video

    In the video posted by Seal at 7:01 pm on thread: “The defendant was straddling Trayvon when he fired the kill shot”, GZ stated at 2:32 the following (mark the sequence of his actions as well). GZ: “once I shot him: (a) I holstered my firearm; (b) I got on top of him; (c) I held his hands up because he was still talking; (d) I said: stay down! Don’t move!”.

    Elcymoo’ video

    In the video posted by elcymoo on the thread: ‘Featuring Frank Taaffe’, GZ stated at 1:29 – 1:33 the following. GZ: “I was on him”.

    The prosecution

    I recall that the prosecution seriously objected to releasing the video-statements of GZ arguing (without elaboration) that doing so would amount to releasing GZ’s CONFESSIONS. No one including Judge Lester understood what prosecutors meant at the time.

    Connecting the dots

    After watching Seallison’s video, I am thinking that IF (and that is a big IF), at least, the words “stay down”! and/or “don’t move!” are recorded on the 911-tapes before the ‘kill shot’ was fired, GZ has solidly admitted in his video-statements thereafter that he held Trayvon down ordering him to “stay down”! “Don’t move!” (and GZ could give that order only because “I was on him”). That would indeed mean a solid confession to at least 2nd degree murder collaborated by hard evidence (GZ cannot attribute those words to Trayvon as he would have done and the prosecution would not need voice-expert analysis to determine who was saying what to whom). That would also mean “certain death” for the defense because I do not see how anyone can get around that and argue self-defense.

    • Tzar says:

      Personally I hear a commanding voice saying, “keep still” or “keep him still” just a few seconds before the killing shot is clearly heard. And this is with my horrible headphones.

      • racerrodig says:

        Last night I used my PA System EQ on my best computer with studio quality headphones. Why I didn’t think of this earlier …

        However I can hear what sounds like “……unintelligible…..keep…..
        ….keep ’em dow(n)…..” I also hear what sounds like “….kill ’em…..now” That sounds as if the one talking turned their head, more than likely looking for anyone who may be watching and it’s very faint. Sometimes we hear what isn’t there and miss what is.

        I’m going to play with every slider to enhance the frequencies that the voices are in but one sounds like a girls voice. The problem is that Trayvon’s screams are dominant and prevent me from picking out any detail. Listen again and see if you hear that.

        If it turns out that there is any other voice there, and the State has informed the defense, it certainly would explain FogenPhoole’s demeanor last Tuesday and SheLie and crew being absent.

        • Xena says:


          If it turns out that there is any other voice there, and the State has informed the defense,…

          That recording captured GZ’s voice in the background, apart from capturing Trayvon’s screams. It was reported that the FBI has the tape to enhance to determine what GZ is saying. The reason that report was pulled is because the reporter mis-spoke, saying that Trayvon called 911 when it was actually Jenna’s 911 call.

          I placed the links to the news reports here:

          I used a Sony software program with EQ. If you listen when Jeremy returns back inside, there’s a pause of about 2 seconds where you can clearly hear GZ using profanity and then Trayvon begins screaming again while GZ continues talking.

          • racerrodig says:

            I don’t have any special software to enhance the audio. I do have a very high quality stereo 15 band equalizer. Last night it hit me to take it out of the PA System rack and see if I could isolate anything that was not obvious. There is a very faint voice just before the gunshot that, to me sounds like a female voice. It sounds like
            “….kill ’em…..now” (gunshot) Before that it sounds like “…..keep ’em down…” and that sounds like a male voice.

            My EQ has 15 frequency bands that can enhance or remove (to eliminate feedback) any frequency range you want. When I maximize 1500 Hz to 2500 Hz range I can barely hear this. BUT sometimes we hear what is not there. I ran the normal audio out into a L/R splitter cable into the EQ then into a low wattage stereo studio headphone amp. I can filter out a lot of the garbage but I could never swear in court that that’s what was said.

          • Xena says:

            @racerrodig. I’ve not yet listened for other voices in the background other than GZ’s. It is possible and believable that GZ would ask John to help him hold Trayvon down. It would also give the impression that GZ was the good guy trying to restrain and retain the bad guy, and that would prejudice what John heard and saw.

            I only wish that we had an unredacted copy of that call.

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep & me too !

      • Rachael says:

        Oh dear God, I hope it is not “keep him still,” as that would mean that – I don’t even want to think about it. I know though that some people heard what sounded like more than 2 voices outside and I know people saw a white T-shirt and I just don’t want to think about this.

        • Tzar says:

          That witness volunteered-in excited utterance-th presence of that white shirt individual, TWICE over a span of more than 5 seconds. so she had plenty of time for visual accommodating to lighting conditions and to discern the white from non-white.

        • Tzar says:

          Like I keep saying, I am still of the opinion that something much more sinister happened that night than we have been told or imagined thus far

          • OMG………If this is true then it’s FIRST degree murder……To have someone hold him while the other takes the shot?…..

            FU*CKING ANIMALS……..

            I feel rage coming on if this is found true.

          • racerrodig says:

            Clearly there is far more than a shopping trip involved here.

    • Tzar says:

      Also re-watch the cross-examination of the killer’s father, BLDR hints at the other voices that HE can hear on the audio. They got some sweet surprises waiting for the killer.

  7. colin black says:

    She has been granted at least two continuences so far.

  8. colin black says:

    I dont know about LE officer Smiths phone gps data.
    Would be easy to check the gps data on the police car.

    But I doubt any of that evidence was gathered as remember this was a good shoot.

    foggen was a hero not a zero an no crime was comited except by the deceased.

  9. Trained Observer says:

    What is the status of the perjury charge against Mrs. Fogen?

  10. Tzar says:

    is there GPS data of all the phones of the other involved individuals
    witnesses, the killer and the first cops on the scene?

  11. Jun says:

    I was wondering, can Omara appeal, although he purposely wasted time instead of doing the necessary work for the case?

    I just noticed instead of going over evidence and files, he spent the good majority of the time going in the media slandering Trayvon and his family, telling lies in the media, trying to sue NBC, and then almost a year later, all he has come up with is twitter and facebook?

    I have a feeling he may leak that info to the treenuts

    • SearchingMind says:

      Can O’Mara appeal (a conviction)? Sure. He can.

      Will the Appeal succeed? Nope. Why? Because:

      (a) O’Mara has more than enough time (more than one year) to get expert-witness and prepare for trial;

      (b) O’Mara at this time does not even know- nor can he name the kind of expert-witness (if any) he intends to present at trial and why he has not been able to get such witnesses;

      (c) O’Mara does not know exactly what he does not have but is entitled to have (the Judge asked him numerous times but O’Mara could not provide (specific) answers);

      (d) whatever O’Mara would have gotten from FB and/or Twitter could not have been admissible and/or changed the outcome of the trial – assuming GZ is convicted (that information would be available during the Appeal and the Appellate Court would make that determination based on them), etc.

      (e) the Order Denying Continuance contains no (fatal) flaws.

      • MelRoy says:

        It’s possible an appeal (for a continuance) could succeed, but doubtful.

        They’ve forced two judges to recuse themselves already. The defendant lied to the court about his finances and having a duplicate passport (and I believe O’Mara knew – and so does the court), so there have been two bail hearings.

        So far, the court has been very accommodating to Zimmerman except for his requests not to wear a tag, or to be able to travel outside of Seminole County. And that is with good reason, because the likelihood of flight – especially with his wife on bail pending her own trial.

  12. So ur a Deadhead Prof.? 🙂

  13. Xena says:


    See what I mean?……the “BUT” cancels out what was said prior.

    Such as, “But I wasn’t actually following him ….”

    Yeah. Sure. GZ forgot how he answered the dispatcher.

  14. I would enjoy watching him TOTALLY lose it on the stand and go ballistic………

  15. Xena says:

    From Robertandgladys website:

    The presiding judge has refused to grant
    the defense time to present a thorough, honest defense.

    Does this mean that O’Mara will present a dishonest defense? LOL!!

    • Rachael says:

      LOL that’s rich. Like he wpuld /has anyway.

      • Xena says:

        @Rachael. Right, and of course, GZ doesn’t care that his defense is dishonest. He wants to be acquitted regardless of facts and the law. Mark my words — GZ is going to try to remove that GPS ankle bracelet.

        • Although cannibals have reported a modicum of success, their reports are dismissed as merely anecdotal; whereas, peer reviewed studies have convincingly shown that chainsaw surgery has a remarkably low success rate.

          Who could have known!

      • Jun says:

        An honest defense means going over a dead kid’s school records and twitter and facebook, not forensics and witnesses

        That is the Fogenhat logic

    • Could there be any other kind?

    • Trained Observer says:

      LOL, Xena… I also feel the same way about the phrase “to be honest with you” — one Fogen has used — as if the standard is not to be honest. What most decent folks mean to be saying is “To be candid ….” or “to be frank …” .

      • Xena says:

        @Trained Observer. Re:

        I also feel the same way about the phrase “to be honest with you”

        Psychologists and licensed counselors have determined that when people start by saying “To be honest with you” or, “To tell you the truth” it means what follows is not the truth.

      • Rachael says:

        That is why I feel his (GZ’s) “apology” to Trayvon’s parents was so insincere. He didn’t say, “I am so very sorry.” He said, “I wanted to say was sorry.” Wanted to – to me – is an “implied” but. I wanted to say I was sorry, but I’m not. I wanted to say I was sorry but I’m not going to.

        • racerrodig says:

          I wanted to say I was sorry and since I really wasn’t I just laughed and changed my Facebook name to “DatNiggyTB” as an insult to him and a bit of bragging for me.

          I think it’s “…undisputed…” that’s what he really meant.

      • Trained Observer says:

        Covering Fogen’s big expando butt will take a ton of buts from the defense.

    • Jun says:

      By the time, if they ask for the SYG hearing, that will have been over a year since Omara took the case, and over 13 months since Fogenhats targeted stalked attacked threatened and murdered a kid, a kid who did not have any ability to physically fight for his life and only screamed for mercy and his mother

      • Xena says:

        Hey Jun, I’m watching the Grammy’s and Prince was presenter for Best Record of the Year. He’s wearing a hoodie.

        When O’Mara filed to waive a speedy trial, he said he needed 6 months to build GZ’s defense. In August last year, he said the case would be ready for trial by early “next year.” Now, all that has changed because he has to please the treeslummers by listening to their conspiracy theories. I’d like to know just one criminal case that was dismissed because of a conspiracy defense. LOL!

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Remember those experts who did the voice analysis said that, although they could rule out the screams as being from GZ, they also said that they could not identify them as TM’s because they did not have a voice sample for Trayvon.

        Well, the 711 tapes include voice IIRC. Also, if Trayvon ever called anyone with voice mail or an answering machine that used a hard drive or digital storage, there’s a good chance that his voice can be recovered even after the media was erased, it would just cost more.
        Who knows, they may even have his voice recording on school computers he used. In any event I think the screams are going to be identified for the jurors with a high degree of certainty.

        |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

      • Malisha says:

        Lonnie S, I was thinking the same thing, that there MUST be voice exemplars for Trayvon somewhere! I also think there is going to be a bloodbath (not the kind that results from blood lust, just the kind that results from due process) at trial. The screams, particularly.

    • racerrodig says:

      “Does this mean that O’Mara will present a dishonest defense? LOL!!”

      Wasn’t that the whole idea……did I miss something??

      • Malisha says:

        The Fogenites interpreting Judge Nelson’s denial of a frivolous request for more time as “refusal to allow a defense” is just like Fogen himself interpreting Trayvon Martin’s walking along without stopping to pay obeisance to Lord and Master Fogen as “up to no good.” It simply means: Somebody did something we don’t like; therefore we characterize it as ipso facto BAD and we get to do whatever we want now because they done us wrong.

        Baby Behavior. But babies grow out of it.

    • kllypyn says:

      They’ve had nearly a year. 4 more months should be plenty of time.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      From Robertandgladys website:

      The presiding judge has refused to grant
      the defense time to present a thorough, honest defense.

      The presiding judge has not “refused to grant the defense time to present a “thorough, honest defense”. What she has done is refuse to be bamboozled by unsubstantiated claims of a need for additional time. MOM has been wasting time, asking for materials he is not entitled to have, materials that were known to be irrelevant were sought, obtained, studied and determined to be worthless to the defense. That time would have been better spent pursuing expert testimony to bolster GZ’s claims.

      The judge has a right to ensure that GZ get’s the speedy trial the defense is entitled to, even if they have previously waived that right. They waived the right to a speedy trial, so that they could prepare for a SYG immunity hearing that they continue to abandon each time it arrives. So, unless or until they can demonstrate that a delay might allow them to controvert the evidence against them, in some substantial way, the case must move to trial.

      If MOM were to have his way at law, Al Capone would still be waiting for trial. 😀 |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

      • jm says:

        Do you think MOM is trying to buy time because he knows GZ will go to prison and his own reputation will be ruined?

        Or could MOM be trying to buy time to distance the crime so witnesses’ testimony is hazy memory and public forgets the circumstances under which GZ shot and killed a 17-year-old kid?

        |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          It’s just a simple matter of the fact that deadlines create pressure! MOM can’t handle the pressure because he doesn’t know what he’s doing, the world is watching and everyone knows he’s been making very foolish mistakes. Not all of which were his fault or really stupidity. He came in pro bono, but was to learn too late, that GZ had made a rather impressive sum of money using social media.

          MOM was immediately impressed, partly due to his own lack of knowledge about social media. But, and here’s the stupidity part, instead of MOM calling in experts to advise him about things, when he find that he knows nothing. He attempts DIY! My guess is, it never occurs to some people that, no one can know everything. Or that everything has it’s complexities. They never realize that experts exist, simply because each field of study has it’s own special set of complexities that one has to learn over time, by doing.

          At some point in time, social media experts, for example, were making the very same mistakes that, an uninitiated person will presently be making and learning from. The trouble is, when you have to get things right the first time, you don’t have the luxury of trial and error learning experiences, so you turn to experts to get you past all of that and provide you with state of the art expertise.

          MOM became enamored of the fundraising power social media, he should have hired an expert to handle the matter. Instead he went crashing ahead like a bull in a china shop and wound up with a mess on his hands.

          Now he’s faced with a deadline and it’s only natural to want to put off the day of reckoning. Because he has spewed lies, instead of taking a more professional stance, he’s tied himself to GZ’s fate. So that, in a way he’s facing an “execution date” on his own celebrity. Long after the lights go off on this case, MOM will be out there and known as the GZ case lawyer. Whether that will merit smiles or scowls hangs in the balance. Nor does it look good.

          |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

      • Tee says:

        Do you think that he hired a forensic specialist to look at the some of the evidence but he didnt get the results he wanted. Maybe this is why he is looking for something to impeach Dee Dee and Tryvon character, grasping at straws because he don’t have much else to go on . Would we know if he hired Someone in confidence, does he have to disclose it.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Nope, MOM has only been interested in showboating! The only expert he did hire was for his security grandstanding, the upshot of that was, he didn’t take his experts advice and cost over runs have left him unable and unwilling to pay the exorbitant bill he unnecessarily ran up.

          You heard him in court the other day: “I don’t have any experts!”, as if experts were supposed to have come running, falling all over themselves to offer their work. No, MOM has been over at the CTH looking for them to do the work of experts for him. But, it seems, he didn’t realize those people weren’t working with the facts or the evidence, but merely making things up. Made up stuff is exactly what courts of law are specifically designed to prohibit from being used by either side.

          I have no idea where MOM came by the idea that, in a criminal court, he could simply come in with a wagon load of unsupportable assertions and win the day, simply by shouting the other side down.
          The SP has been gracious in providing him with discovery he requests, even though he fails to cite authority, as is the proper fashion for making such requests. Everyone is bending over backwards to forgive him his errors. Yet, he persists on making even more and asking for things he has no right to have. Now he wants more time because he’s wasted the generous portions of time he has had. Go figure!

          So, my dear friend, the analysis of MOM’s strategy has been to simply whine to the court, load motions with false assertions to make the public aware of favorable things that aren’t true, and to wage a campaign for dollars. Meanwhile the clock keeps running: |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

      • Xena says:

        @Lonnie Starr

        The presiding judge has not “refused to grant the defense time to present a “thorough, honest defense”. What she has done is refuse to be bamboozled by unsubstantiated claims of a need for additional time.


  16. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    There is a good video of the events of the peace march for Trayvon yesterday at this link:


  17. Jun says:

    All I have noticed from Omara is he is very ignorant, uninformed, and a plain liar

    He has changed a lot

    When he first took the case on, he was actually professional

    Now he is just a loudmouth liar with no morals

    Frankly, why does he lie about the Feds? He claims there is no evidence of any racism from Fogenhats yet he wants all their files on Fogenhats… obviously by that request, he is not so sure of his media opinion

    The state is not charging him with racism, they are charging second degree murder, which is a killing perpetrated with a depraved mind, and a disregard for human life…

    Lastly, why is he so worried what a congress person says?

    On Fogenhats’ own NEN call he called the victim

    “Suspicious for walking around looking about looking like a black person”

    “Up to no good and on drugs, and he’s a black male with his hands in his waist band…”

    “These assholes, fucking punks/coons”

    Of course there is reasonable belief of racial profiling

    God damn, Omara’s followers are freakin brain dead

    • So can we call them Zimbies as in relation to Zombies?

    • cielo62 says:

      Jun wrote: damn, …Omara’s followers are freakin brain dead”  And they say Zombies don’t exist… 🙂

    • bettykath says:


      What a Congressperson puts in a bill is important, especially if it implies that a person who is on trial is guilty of a crime. The Congressperson should respect innocent until proven guilty. MOM has an obligation to his client to object.

      I don’t think he’s lying about the feds. All that they have turned over are reports that they didn’t find anything. It’s fair that MOM say so in defense of those claiming racism.

      However, the defense would probably be better off if they all just avoided the media and worked on the defense’s case quietly.

      • Jun says:

        I do not see where she is infringing on that right, considering, she has a right to feel that it is outright murder, and she has a reasonable reason to believe there was racial profiling… there’s nothing written within law that one must blindly believe a defendant’s narrative, nor is it an objection to that right, but seeing the case for what it is, considering, there is a vast amount of evidence that was presented outright to the public, and it is reasonable to believe it is murder because he did kill a kid, after stalking the kid…

        If you look at the wording “innocent till proven guilty” and it just means in her mind, he is proven guilty of the crime

        And Omara is lying in regards to the feds, upon what information they have, considering he made that statement and wants their files on Fogenhats… since he does not have their files, he can not make a complete judgement call on what the feds do have… hence he desperately asking for files and not getting them… to say the Feds cleared him of charges, when they never even charged him in the first place, is a false statement, irregardless, the Feds are still investigating, hence there is still reasonable suspicion of such act otherwise Junior would not be vehemently protesting with nonsense

        The only honest statement he could make is, from the FBI reports from witness interviews that were handed over thus far, there was no indicator of any racism, however, considering the enumerable occasions of the defendant stalking and targeting black males and his myspace comments and the actions showcased thus far, it could lead any reasonable person to believe that race is a motivating factor, considering, he disparaged hate toward Mexicans and spoke of committing violence upon them and also he blamed imaginary crimes on black males

        And like I said, murder 2 has nothing to do with racism

      • Jun says:

        And since we are on Omara’s obligation, where is his obligation to find Trayvon, innocent until proven guilty?

        He’s been chasing rat holes to find dirt on this kid and he has found nothing

        Why is it okay, for Omara to make up crap about the victim, and claim he is guilty, yet, in your mind, nobody can say anything at all about the defendant or Omara?

        • cielo62 says:

          JUN~ MOM is unethical as hell for doing what he is doing, and the JUDGE is dead wrong for not putting a gag order on it all. BUT that doesn’t eman WE need to stoop to their level.

      • Malisha says:

        The feds are still investigating. They didn’t “find Fogen to be non-racist,” they simply reported that the interviews they had conducted did not turn up evidence of racism on his part. There’s quite a big difference in FBI-speak. You could go to a bakery and there could be five hundred sugar-loaded confections there and the FBI could easily say: There were no items of high caloric content in the ovens.

  18. colin black says:

    Bye the way In the UK
    English people refer to Irish as Paddys an Scotish as Jocks an the Welsh are Taffes

  19. colin black says:

    seallison says:

    February 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Professor – I can imagine the posts you have to wade through to weed out the Taaffe and Zzzzs of the world.

    Your work must be gut-wrenching when it attracts the ugliness that is out there.

    For this I am sorry, but oh-so appreciative of this site.

    Yes he has got to seperate the wheat from the taffe.

  20. colin black says:

    Or Dormer could be mounting an expidition to Florida as we speak.

  21. colin black says:

    Your right even Dorner cant stant foggens depraved actions.

    Dorner is smart an will want to flee Los Angeles Californian duristriction.

    Was there not some expidation back in the day ended up straded in the wilderness dureing winter.

    Tales of madness murder an canibilisim from The Dorner Expidition.

    If I were foggen I would be very very worried to be on the radar whom seeems as willing to kill as he was.
    An not kids either but has threated evert member of l a p d .
    Therfore threatebed every cop in America

    Personaly I would hate to be in the sights of a man such as Dorner.
    If your reading hear foggen say something nice about Charlie Sheene It might earn you some brownie points with Dormer

    Then again it might piss him of even more.
    Look on the bright side you will be safe in prison come summer time.

  22. seallison says:

    Professor – I can imagine the posts you have to wade through to weed out the Taaffe and Zzzzs of the world.

    Your work must be gut-wrenching when it attracts the ugliness that is out there.

    For this I am sorry, but oh-so appreciative of this site.

  23. MichelleO says:

    Jr. and Fogen are like Frank Taaffe’s lost sons. To understand the brothers, all you have to do is to listen and look at Frank. I can see why he and Fogen became such good friends.

  24. Tavia Anderson says:

    Benjamin “Justice 4 Trayvon” Crump

    Yesterday at 12:16pm · The defendant’s expert forensic person, has made an amazing discovery, although not wanting to go all out on the defendantHis discovery?The defendant completely lied about going back to his truck, because according to the defense’s expert, his timeline is a complete lie. Here it is I just copied this from his Lawyer’s Facebook page.

    • Xena says:

      Through the work of Dave, Trent, and LLMPapa, we already know that GZ’s story doesn’t work with the timeline. In his interview with Singleton and Serino, they asked GZ where he was at certain points during his NEN call. Using that as a basis, and according to GZ, he obtained the address while still on the phone with NEN, but failed to give it to Sean the dispatcher.

      Trent runs the video side-by-side with GZ’s NEN call.

      • I love Trent’s work. His commentary makes it difficult for me to fully appreciate his work, however.

      • racerrodig says:

        That is a fabulous video.

        • Xena says:


          That is a fabulous video.

          LLMPapa did a series of videos from Dave’s walk-through videos. Trent and LLMPapa already demonstrated that had it happened like GZ said, we should have heard Trayvon ask GZ if he had a problem. What the media analyst just said like yesterday — we’ve known for months now.

      • Tee says:

        As I remember Fogen said that he wasn’t running after Trayon, that it was just windy outside right. What I want to know is what happen to the wind, did it magically stop? Clearly we hear him running thats why the operator asked if he was following Trayvon, because of the movement of the phone and the wind. when the operator tells him “we don’t need you to do that” he says ok but he’s still running because we hear him, he doesn’t stop for almost 20 more seconds when he says ” shit he ran”. that’s when he lost him. The movement stop and the wind blowing stops what we hear now is Fogen beating his flashlight but no wind for the rest of the call he was trying to get that flashlight to work so he could find Trayvon. Fogen, if what we were hearing was just the wind blowing why did we not hear it when you stepped out of your car or after you said “shit he ran.” Did you not think we would catch that.

  25. Trained Observer says:

    Yes, indeedy, MOM’s a “fine attorney,” according to Geraldo. As for Fogen’s bro, just listen him to him toss around terms he likely doesn’t understand. And can he get through an interview without use the trendy word “narrative”?

    • chills101 says:

      LLMPapa please check out marker 15 on YouTube

      • elcymoo says:

        I just ran across that one a little earlier this afternoon, and found it very interesting. Here’s the link and comment:

        Published on Feb 6, 2013

        911 call by Witness 11 may reveal something that George Zimmerman claims Trayvon said at the moment he shot him.

        This short outcry is less than a second BEFORE the shot was heard on the recording.

      • Rachael says:

        Interesting. I also think it sounds kind of like he is saying “get off, get off” just before the 911 lady talks. Hmmmm. I wish I could listen to this better.

        GZ says I was on him – he is screaming get off. Hmmmm

      • Trina Cosbie says:

        WOWZERS!!! Why would Trayvon need to sit up if he was already sitting up??……on top in a straddled position throwing blows & head smashes, he would already be sitting up………very very telling!!!

      • Tzar says:

        not impressed with this video at all
        in this situation the phoneme is not as important as the tone or cadence of speech and even if that sound bite corresponded to what the killer is describing the tone is completely different; one is of surprise the other is of despair an bewilderment.

        intimately, the way the sound is cut invalidates even the technical aspect of this video.

    • Rachael says:

      They do have the exact same smiles.

      • racerrodig says:

        i wonder how Scott Peterson feels about this….since this was done out in the open…..and he said I shot him…….

        Yep….it’s never a good thing when one notorious killer talks that way about another notorious killer.

    • ay2z says:


  26. Two sides to a story says:

    Off-topic, but here’s Jr. with Geraldo Rivera last night:

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I’m not sure what the problem is with these links embedding. I used to just post the url and WordPress just did it automatically. Oh well.

      • racerrodig says:

        “……Mark O’ Mara….a fine attorney…” What is Geraldo watching ??

        RZ jr does a real double talk on that being aware of SYG when faced to defend yourself…….right over his head.

    • jm says:

      The 3 stooge show. I think RZJ is a double talking wannabe attorney who wants a job as a commentator on Fox News.

  27. Here’s Cam from the spam queue, an example of what I wade through when I review comments:

    “obviously like your website however you need to check the spelling on several of your posts. Several of them are rife with spelling issues and I to find it very bothersome to tell the reality however I’ll surely come again again.”

    • bettykath says:

      oh, dear. Cam doesn’t have tolerance for those hwo have trouble hitting the right keys. Sometimes I post and find I’ve left out words. You have to be a code breaker sometiemsto figure out twhat i’m rtrying to say. see what you’d have to deal wtih if it didnt’ porrf read my psot?

    • looneydoone says:

      jejeje !
      Cam has the audacity to complain about misspellings (typos) in many comments….her own is a freakin mess.

    • ay2z says:

      We might self-regulate our posts for perfect punctuation, spelling, grammar, and other atrocities of the typing kind. I’ve committed most of these in the few couple posts here, and I am sorry. I am going to try to do better, and work through each and every post phonetically for correct spelling and punctuation, a comma should never be out of place!

      Going to spend the rest of the evening practicing from the online guide to phonetic pronunciation.

      • Tango Hotel Alpha Tango / Whiskey Oscar Utah Lima Delta / Bravo Echo / Alpha / Gulf Oscar Oscar Delta / India Delta Echo Alpha


      • towerflower says:

        In the aviation world Utah would be Uniform, haven’t heard that talk in awhile.

        • WELL EXCUSE ME Tower…….The only aviation language I remember was “OH FU*K” upon exiting a plane in flight………………

          The rest of the time I spent safe in the mud….

          Hotel Alpha Victor Echo / Alpha / Gulf Romeo Echo Alpha Tango /
          Tango Oscar Mike Oscar Romeo Romeo Oscar Whiskey 🙂

          CP MMP Out

          • racerrodig says:

            My dad had a private pilots license for high wing single engine craft. He always wanted to make a jump, but he stuck with one of my rules of life.

            I have a real problem with jumping out of a perfectly good running airplane.

          • I went to jump school not due to my MOS….rather it was greed…..You got an extra $30.00 a month if you maintained your rating…….3 months and 90 bucks later…..I decided I didn’t need the extra 30 a month……..Also where I found I have a SERIOUS fear of gravity and it’s laws. 😐

          • kindheart101 says:


            My son is a Navy pilot with over 20+ years active duty. The first time I watched him jump from a plane, I threw up……….

          • racerrodig says:

            That SPLAT gravity law….that one ??

          • Understand, when I enlisted a recruits pay was $134.40 a month 😦

          • racerrodig says:

            About 1970 ??

  28. Dennis says:

    Frank is a racist and a drunk driver. I think the law is ridiculously lenient toward drunk drivers. You should be tried for attempted murder just for getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. That is like someone taking a gun and firing off a bunch of rounds in random directions and hoping they don’t hit anyone. I support at least a five year prison sentence for drunk drivers.

    • Rachael says:

      Exactly. An “accident” while driving drunk is no accident. I have NO tolerance for someone driving impaired.

    • esentrick says:

      Last month my cousin was killed by a DD. I agree Dennis, stricter laws needs to be enforced. People often forget it is a privilege to drive and not a right.

  29. Judy75201 says:

    @Crane-Station, is it you the treeswingers refer to when they mention a Cockatoo? Just curious. One suggested movie name today for fogen’s story was “To Kill a Cockatoo”.

  30. kindheart101 says:


    Yet another peice of garbage……..save the IP, and throw the scum in the trash where it belongs.

  31. oh here’s what omar has to say about Congresswoman Frederica Wilson. why can’t he concentrate on the case?

    and a Murderer

    On February 5, Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson issued a press release announcing that she is introducing a Congressional Resolution to Honor Trayvon Martin and Seek End to Racial Profiling. The resolution urges the repeal of Stand Your Ground laws.

    Congresswoman Wilson made the following statement:

    “Today, Trayvon Martin would have celebrated his 18th birthday. We all know the tragic circumstances surrounding his murder: Trayvon was racially profiled, chased, made to fight for his life, and ultimately murdered. Yet we as a nation have yet to take substantive action to stop such a heartbreaking incident from happening again.”

    Congresswoman Wilson is wrong for several reasons:

    1. There is no evidence that George Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin. Considering many aspects of George’s life, not of least of which his mixed ethnic background, the racial diversity that was part of his upbringing, and the advocacy work he did as an adult, the claim that George Zimmerman is a racist is absurd, unfounded, and irresponsible. Moreover, all the information released from the FBI — which conducted a civil rights investigation on this matter — demonstrate no evidence of racism at all on the part of George. Rather, it documents the opposite.

    2. George has a very strong self-defense case, and we are confident that in Court, George will be found not guilty of murder. As a sitting congresswoman, Representative Wilson should know that in the United States, citizens are constitutionally entitled to a fair trial, and that defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty. They are not to be convicted by biased innuendo based upon an intentional ignorance of the facts, tossed about in a pandering way. For a person in a leadership role to ignore these significant principles denigrates the process and the Constitution she swore to uphold.

    3. The Zimmerman case is not a “Stand Your Ground” case, it is a straight-forward self-defense case. The controversial part of the so-called “Stand Your Ground” law is the inclusion of language that removes the duty to retreat before using deadly force. George Zimmerman was on his back suffering blows from Trayvon Martin when he fired his weapon in self-defense. George had no opportunity to retreat, and you cannot stand your ground when you are on your back. No one who has taken the time to read and understand this statute would suggest that the facts of this case fit that limited portion of the statute.

    Congresswoman Wilson’s statement is wildly inappropriate. She must know that her position as a distinguished representative in Congress gives her words weight and credibility, and she should not be promoting such unmeasured bias on a pending, undecided legal case.

    If you have an opinion regarding Congresswoman Frederica Wilson’s statement, you are entitled to express it by calling her office, sending her a letter, or emailing her South Florida Communications Director.

    Rep. Frederica Wilson | FL-24
    18425 NW 2nd Ave Suite 355
    Miami Gardens, FL 33169


    • Tee says:

      If Fogen did not profile Trayvon what exactly made him follow Him. What made this boy so damn suspicious? Was it his khaki pant, or the shopping bag he was carrying, or was it his white tennis shoes? What made him suspicious that night? Fogen couldn’t even answer that question for the operator ie. ” he’s just walking and looking about.” WTF is looking about how in the hell is that suspicious, Trayvon looking at his crazy behind following him that’s why that kid was looking around. I’ll tell you what made Trayvon appear suspicious, it wasn’t his hoodie, and it wasn’t him walking in the rain looking about, it was his skin in that hoodie that made Fogen deem Trayvon as a suspicious person.Fogen was the only one suspicious that night. I’m a woman, if a man was following me in his car than on foot what do you think is going through my head, I can tell you now ” that this man is going to try to abduct me, rape me, and kill me, that’s what I would be thinking. I’m a running when I go out in the morning for my 4 mile run I’m always looking around to make sure I’m not being followed I guess that makes me look suspicious huh.

    • bettykath says:

      MOM has a point. The case is still pending. The defendant is presumed to be innocent until a jury says otherwise. The Congresswoman should withdraw her bill until the jury says “guilty” or until the defendant changes his plea. Maybe for Trayvon’s next birthday. Now is not the time.

      • elcymoo says:

        That was just about the only thing Mark O’Mara was right about , though.

      • 2dogsonly says:

        Mom needs to concentrate on his defendant. That has been his problem from the beginning. Does he have ADD too? He is so disorganized at court and reactive to issues rather than countering with a legal point.

        Shelly has a first rate attorney, Kelly Sims, lots of cases listed on Martindale, maybe 50 or so. MOM has no cases listed, no client recommendations..bare bones listing. MOM had no previous criminal felony cases. daddy recommended Nem something. He declined and recommended MOM. Just telling they didn’t hire a seasoned trial attorney with a good track record. Most trial attorneys plea out..something like 90% have never brought a case to trial. Don’t think for a second if a seasoned attorney had even a slim hope of winning, they wouldn’t sign up. When the good ones saw GZ’s prior court issues and more importantly, his difficulty with his first two attorneys, they declined.
        If Trayvon’s mother hadn’t had influence that prompted Crump to take her phone call. His reputation and influence turned case into “come to god” event. It was an outstanding piece of luck that caused Trayvon’s murder to turn from small town crime into a worldwide event.

        In Jax., this meeting of luck happened in 2001 when the French documentary makers came here looking for a case. The result was the Academy Award winner of Best Documentary called ” Murder On A Sunday Morning”…the Brenton Butler Case. His two public defenders were the outstanding lawyers . They got to accept the award for the Head PD in Hollywood.

        Wiki or you tube would allow you’ll to see what good defense attorneys accomplish in spite of defendant being a poor Black kid.

      • Malisha says:

        She should substitute “killed” for the word “murdered” until there is either a plea or a conviction. Otherwise, let her submit it; it is important to get it on the record.

        Ole Mara’s a lot better at bellyaching than he is at advocacy for his client in a court of law.

      • Malisha says:

        Also, O’Mara had many more out-and-out already-disproven inaccuraties in his statement than were in the original bill. WAY MORE.

      • wrong, omar has no valid point.
        the state has charged gz with murder so they must believe he murdered Trayvon and their reasons why.
        the state represents us! and Congresswoman has also decided he’s a murderer or they wouldn’t have brought the indictment.
        But, even if by fluke of nature gz is acquitted it still doesn’t change the opinions of the state.

        but I know why you needed to agree with him.

        • cielo62 says:

          Shanoninmiami~ LEGALLY GZ is innocent until proven guilty. He has admitted to killing Trayvon BUT the act itself is not criminal UNLESS it was not self defense. WE know the evidence, and MOM knows the evidence, and even GZ knows the evidence. BUT ONLY A JURY CAN PUT HIM BEHIND BARS. So legally, GZ is innocent until proven guilty and the jury, and the jury alone, can declare him guilty of murder and put him away for life.

      • kllypyn says:

        The prosecution has to presume he’s innocent,i don’t he’s as guilty as sin.

      • @esentrick,
        “If racism or bigotry can be established as the basis for killing Martin, then a second-degree murder charge could be appropriate” (para. 10). cite:”

        if racism and bigotry is established gz charges would be enhanced with a hate crime and that’s worse than 1st degree murder in most states. the feds could put him to death.
        idk but murder during a hate crime is pretty much the worst of the worst. and I defiantly would support a death sentence, especially in the case of a child.

        so, i sure don’t agree with nejame’s suggestion that 2nd degree murder is appropriate charge for a hate crime.
        are you sure that’s what he said?

        • esentrick says:

          @shannon…Yes he sure did word for word. You raised an excellent point. If the state is able to prove that the butcher acted in a depraved mind or with racism or bigotry as Mark pointed, could the feds charge the butcher with 1st degree hate crime based on his conviction? BTW I do agree with you that hate crimes are the “worst of the worst even much so against children..in that matter any crime against a child is detestable.

      • Tee says:

        @ Bettykath, Innocent of what? Did he not state he murdered Trayvon Martin, a child whose only crime was walking home. I don’t care what a jury decide he is now and will forever be guilty in the eyes of The Lord. Vengeance is mine said The Lord. many people feel they have gotten away with murdered soon find out that when God strikes he does it with a mighty blow. Just read the story of the man who ran down a teen in Miami and stabbed him to death because he stole his car radio. That man is dead now less than a year after the judge threw out the case citing SYG, he was caught in a cross fire on his way I believe to work. He may have been found innocent in the eyes of the law but by Gods law he was guilty. I’m not saying this to say God killed this man but I remember what my minister once said you keep doing things that goes against God and he will remove his hedge ( his protection) from around you. I say there is no time like he present. frederick is the congresswoman of most of my family they all live in her district. To many times young black men are murdered in her district for no reason then the peron gets to claim SYG. My sister boyfriend was killed by the police last year shot to death for nothing he had no weapon he didnt fight he was killed in his car shot in the head by a cop who said he thought he was going for a gun when the young man asked him why was he pulling him over. The cop had been following him since he and his cousin left the club. They then threw him to the ground and hand cuff this dead young man. Another friend of mine was shot leaving a bank. He was involved in a verbal alteration when a guy tried to cut him in line, he left the bank first and the guy followed and shot him, he also got off with SYG, he’ll just like Forgen they didn’t even charge him. My friend had no weapon, he is a working man with four kids and a wife. How scared could the man have been to leave the safety of the bank where there was an armed guard. No one cared that this man entered the bank with a loaded fire arm. All that mattered was my friend was black the man was Arab and he said he thought my friend was going to attack him he was scared for his life. I say it’s no time like the present.

        • cielo62 says:

          Tee~ GZ is presumed innocent of “murder” until a jury convicts him. So far, all he has done is admit he shot and killed someone. That act alone CAN be legally justified as self defense. We, as an internet blogging community, have seen the evidence and have arrived at our own conclusions. Yes, the man is guilty as sin! But LEGALLY he is presumed innocent (of murder) until proven guilty.

      • seallison says:

        I think you all should read the Congresswomans ACTUAL comments and NOT take the fogens big brothers words before saying she should remove murder for killed.

      • Betty, I agree with you. Those holding public office should not advocate for or against a side in a pending case.

        Having said that, O’Mara is an officer of the court and should not make blatant unsubstantiated claims to the media and in social media, very similar claims that he accuses the Congresswoman Wilson of making.

        O’Mara too knows that his “position as a distinguished representative for …[justice]… gives [his] words weight and credibility” in the court of public opinion. As a result, he should “not be promoting such unmeasured [biased statements] on a pending, undecided legal case”

        When O’Mara had his Facebook page, which encouraged discourse among supporters from both camps, he initially forbade any discussion about facts or assumptions about evidence in the case. As time when by, that policy of the page became a suggestion and then forgotten. Rules about name-calling, racism, bad-mouthing the victim and his parents were ignored and not enforced.

        I don’t know how many of you witnessed the few weeks when large groups of GZ supporters changed their profile pictures to monkeys to taunt and disparage Blacks; this carried on until the moderator blocked many of them into “Facebook Jail” for a week or two to make examples of them. Shortly after this and other horrible displays of behavior by GZ supporters, the page was dismantled. A seriously embarrassing implosion was about to occur. But O’Mara still needed to stay abreast of the various theories, scandals, and downright fallacies about the case. This also almost blew up in his face, which prompted him to post on his page the rant about “doxing.”

        O’Mara and his team regularly frequent the CTH, TL, and the Facebook page that houses many of the regulars from the GZLC page (GZ Vs TM Debate Center). Posters on these sites excuse themselves from conversations in mid-stream to email, text, or tweet O’Mara (more like his interns) to get answers or clarifications to discussion topics. These posters then return rather quickly with responses, copied and pasted responses from the defense team.

        O’Mara deleted the GZLC Facebook page, which was created to investigate the perspectives on the case and get ideas for direction; however, it is continuing to get these perspectives, theories, scandals, and downright fallacies but now the defense team is not liable for the behaviors of the posters. These are the “leads” and “sources” that have the defense team so busy that they have little time to allow for the defense of their client. The cell phone, the pings, the lean, the school bus driver, the rumor of Trayvon’s having been inappropriate with a girl, the MMA, the burglary tools, the rumors about Trayvon being in a gang, the rumors about Mr. Martin being in a gang, the wrong Trayvons, the wrong Dee Dees, the horrible attempted doxing, bullying, and disparaging of W8, the Doxing of W9… I am breathless to and appaled that O’Mara would allow his staff to spend so much time chasing these ugly “waterfalls.”

        Now lately, I am noticing O’Mara make more and more unsubstantiated statements like the following:

        *”The claim that George Zimmerman is a racist is absurd, unfounded, and irresponsible” because of GZ’s ancestry, his mentoring of children, and the… “FBI — which conducted a civil rights investigation on this matter — demonstrate no evidence of racism at all on the part of George. Rather, it documents the opposite.”

        *”George Zimmerman was on his back suffering blows from Trayvon Martin when he fired his weapon in self-defense.”

        *”George had no opportunity to retreat, and you cannot stand your ground when you are on your back.”

        *He also says constantly that Trayvon punched GZ in the nose and broke his nose.

        *He even has said several times after W6 recanted his words that Trayvon engaged in MMA moves on GZ.

        *At a recent press conference in October, I believe, O’Mara even said that Trayvon has injuries to his knuckles, which were consistent with the injuries that GZ sustained.

        Now he says in his letter that those on trial “are not to be convicted by biased innuendo based upon an intentional ignorance of the facts, tossed about in a pandering way.”

        Upon this, I agree.

        However, just as Congresswoman Wilson should keep those words in mind, O’mara should act as an officer of the court and understand his own words, that those on trial “are not to be …[acquitted]… by biased innuendo based upon an intentional ignorance of the facts, tossed about in a pandering way.”

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Does anyone here really think O’Mara will be stupid enough to say any of these things before the jury? Everyone of these false claims opens a door through which the SP gets the opportunity to unleash a wave of impeachment, expose the jury to evidence to the contrary and put on witnesses whose testimony contradicts these claims.

          I don’t think so, O’Mara has one face for the public and another for the court. Anyone who can’t understand these two faces, doesn’t understand what’s going on.

          |||=> Tick Tock! <-|||

      • bettykath says:

        MOM is coming from a position of his client’s story [sic], no matter what WE believe. I picked only the point about innocent until proven guilty b/c I can’t in good conscience “voice” gz’s story. But MOM must. It’s his job.

      • I understand what you are saying in part, Betty, but regardless of from which position O’Mara delivers his assertions, he states them as fact. I don’t see words like according to my client, allegedly, or even evidence supports. He states them as fact as an officer of the court. This is not, in my opinion, any better than the congresswoman making unsubstantiated statements. Neither are proper.

        In addition, he spews actual lies, such as it is proven that GZ’s nose is broken, FBI has proven that GZ is not a racist, a witness saw Trayvon delivering MMA blows, and Trayvon had injuries to his knuckles consistent with GZ’s injuries. These are absolutely not true statements. Fabrications. Accepting his client’s narrative does not give him the right to outright lie in the court of public opinion.

      • gbrbsb says:

        Absolutely BK, MOM most certainly does have a point… this time at least!

        Presumption of Innocence must surely be the most important principle and bastion on which a fair legal system can be based and persons in public office should be obliged, if not already, to stay silent on guilt or innocence while s case is sub judice. The only ones with the power to determine guilt or innocence is the jury.

      • acemayo says:

        Please show me of the the police calls to the police what race
        did GZ call on, of all thee other races that live in that area, he
        only call on blacks.

      • Malisha says:

        There is a legal standard for GUILTY (convicted after a trial using the “reasonable doubt” standard) and there is a linguistic and semantic meaning to the word GUILTY. I agree that so far, Trayvon Martin was only killed, and he was not (yet) murdered, because that is a legal term, so that term should be changed. Bills, however, go through the process of amendment.

        Even if Fogen is acquitted, however, he will still be guilty of profiling Trayvon Martin, of having malice toward Trayvon Martin, of hunting down Trayvon Martin, and of killing Trayvon Martin. He will also be guilty of being unrepentant about taking a young man’s life. He will also be guilty of adding insult to injury in a 100 ways on 100 days in public and atrocious displays of his own hubris and his uncaring, haughty, bullying, selfish, stuck-up, insensitive ugly habits. He will still be guilty of caring only for his own misguided feelings and never imagining for a minute that the next guy, Black or white, has rights and feelings of his own. In my book he cannot evade that guilt with a hundred acquittals.

        In that respect, O’Mara’s silly comments actually rise to the level of being laughable. He claims the evidence shows self-defense? The ONLY evidence of self-defense is his client’s word, which has already been shown to be worthless. He has a client who would say ANYTHING to get his way, and that has been manifested, labeled, and not overturned. He got rid of Lester but he did not vacate Lester’s rulings; they stand.

        The Fogen camp uses any forum to try to repeat the silly self-defense litany. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Let this bill live its natural life and let it be amended and brought up again next year. Let’s see this legislator run the flag up the pole and see who salutes. We will also be seeing the Florida voters taking note of who in their legislature goes openly racist in opposing it…ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

        The bill may be a very convenient way for the Democrats down there to “out” a bunch of racists.

    • esentrick says:

      Although, I agree with the congresswoman fight to end racial profiling. The thing that confuses me is the term racial profiling for civilians. The term racial profiling is associated with law enforcement. If we use the term in the butcher’s case, is it like validating that the butcher had some status as an officer of the law.

      In one of Mark NeJame articles, he stated: “The only legal relevance as to whether race was the determining factor in the following and killing of Martin was whether it goes to establish if Zimmerman exercised a “depraved mind” regarding the killing (para. 9)…. If racism or bigotry can be established as the basis for killing Martin, then a second-degree murder charge could be appropriate” (para. 10). cite: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/30/opinion/nejame-zimmerman-racial-profiling

      In xy11xy video “George Zimmerman Profile” xy11xy provided excellent points regarding a burglar profile vs. the butcher of Sanford reason to call NEN in the first place. The conclusion of xy11xy analysis is that the only basis for killing Trayvon was racial bias. cite: http://youtu.be/PF9UCUilQF8

      IMHO the Fl SYG law should be repealed to expand on its definition of the aggressor and adopt parts of stalking definitions: For example:
      (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.
      (b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests.
      (c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section. cite: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.048.html

      • kimmi says:

        Bumping because, imo, this deserves to be said again!
        Attention: Mark O’Mara…..Are you Listening/Reading?
        While pointing fingers-don’t forget to look in the mirror!

        Awesome post by:
        diaryofasuccessfulloser says:
        February 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm/9:51pm

        “However, just as Congresswoman Wilson should keep those words in mind, O’mara should act as an officer of the court and understand his own words, that those on trial “are not to be …[acquitted]… by biased innuendo based upon an intentional ignorance of the facts, tossed about in a pandering way.”

        “O’Mara delivers his assertions, he states them as fact. I don’t see words like according to my client, allegedly, or even evidence supports. He states them as fact as an officer of the court. This is not, in my opinion, any better than the congresswoman making unsubstantiated statements. Neither are proper.”

        “In addition, he spews actual lies, such as it is proven that GZ’s nose is broken, FBI has proven that GZ is not a racist, a witness saw Trayvon delivering MMA blows, and Trayvon had injuries to his knuckles consistent with GZ’s injuries. These are absolutely not true statements. Fabrications. Accepting his client’s narrative does not give him the right to outright lie in the court of public opinion.”

  32. bettykath says:

    Thanks for the Old Crow Medicine Show videos.

    Taafe really should get into rehab or refrain from posting while under the influence.

    • Sensitivity training wouldn’t hurt except he’s probably convinced himself that his whiteness is so pure that anyone who calls him a racist is a racist.

      BTW, Taaffe is a poster child for drunken racist tirades.

    • Malisha says:

      Even as a dry drunk, I think Taaffe would be the person that he is. He should probably refrain from posting altogether, and keep his misery to himself. I am sure that he has earned it throughout his sad life, and it is only an offense for him to try to cast it off upon, or try to share it with, others.

      From the beginning he made a very bad picture of the US for others in the world to see. He is an embarrassment.

      I believe he comes from the line of Afrikaaners who made South Africa into what it was before it was rescued, nearly bloodlessly, from Apartheid. That’s just an educated guess, not the result of any actual research. But it would explain both his unusual name and his extraordinarily ignorant, un-self-conscious bigotry. In 1980, you could go into any little street cafe in Johannesburg and see two guys who looked like Taaffe putting their handguns on the table right next to their coffee or tea and jawing with each other about how they could kill a gang of “Africans” in a minute if they were ever under “attack.” Horrifying conversations, out in the open, un-hidden, bloodthirsty, bragging, stupid and ignorant. Every day of the week. Everywhere. So shocking, as a social phenomenon, that it made you think you were on a movie set.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Wow. Hard to visualize except as a movie. Gutwrenching.

      • 2dogsonly says:

        Taffe is white. Are you thinking of Joe Oliver?

      • looneydoone says:

        Afrikaaners are the Dutch colonialist *settlers* in South Africa.
        I believe Malisha is correct in her assumption. I have a friend who returned to Johannesburg 7 years ago to care for his ailing mother. After decades of living in the USA he was taken aback by the open hostility towards blacks these many years after the *official* end of Apartheid.

      • Malisha says:

        2dogs, no, I know Taaffe is white and so are the “Afrikaaners” who made South Africa what it is today. It was only rescued from the grip of the Afrikaaners in mid-90s. During the 1980s, here was “White-ruled” South Africa with laws against Blacks, treating the Blacks like lucky slaves (but with a court system that did not go as whole hog psycho as many other countries’ court systems, by the way) who had “homelands” to go “back home” to. So the Afrikaaners carved up the land and dominated it, taking the good parts (with diamond and gold mines, for instance) for themselves and confining Blacks, whom they called “Africans,” to the worthless, non-productive lands that were essentially starvation retreats. This forced the Blacks to become economically dependent upon getting work (for ANY pay no matter what work it was or how dangerous) for whites. It was a profitable and gruesome, exploitive, criminal system.

        Afrikaaners refers to the class of whites who had this system in place throughout that period under the leadership of all-white governments. If you were white and lived in white lands, if you had a Black person over to dinner and you were sitting with him at a dinner table and there was wine served, you were guilty of a crime that got you six months’ imprisonment. The Black person would get a sentence that would probably amount to disability or frank death. (They often were given a bar of soap in the prison and told to take a shower, and then they would notoriously “slip on the soap” and end up dead; the autopsy might show, for instance, that the fall in that shower produced 16 broken bones, 41 bruises and a ruptured spleen before they bled out and died.)

        The Afrikaaners knew that their country was about to blow to smithereens either from a giant uprising (if Black Africans could get arms) or from the start up of crippling guerrilla warfare (if they could not). Everyone in South Africa knew they were living life on a powder keg. Yet it was extremely remunerative. This went on and on and on in the most extreme tension while the rest of the world tried sanctions, etc. to try to change things. At that point in time a certain group of Taaffe-like apologists for the system would go into cafes and show off their hand guns. It was like a stupid “I’m tough; you can’t hurt me!” passtime combined with a not-so-subtle threat (silly, because Blacks were not allowed in those coffee shops anyway) and a show-off habit for self-assuring coward-assholes.

        I witnessed this disgusting display a few times and then stopped even going into coffee shops. (This was before the days of bottled water, so we started carrying thermoses and our own snacks when we went to the city, to avoid the scene altogether.) I could not comment on any of this because I had a child with me and didn’t want to encounter any kind of psycho-dangerous reaction from these low-life’s. But every time we left my kid would question me about what just happened, so I decided we had to stop witnessing that behavior.

      • looneydoone says:

        I had to come back with a correction
        After searching origin of surname Taaffe, I was surprised to learn it’s Irish, but originated in Wales as a spelling of David

      • Malisha says:

        Ooop, Looneydoone actually did the research I was too lazy to do. All that speculation on Taaffe’s possible SA roots was silly, it turned out — but still fun.

        Yes, the open, unashamed, overt, stooooopid expressions of racism in South Africa were puzzle pieces of a phenomenon I had never quite seen before. At first I thought it was some kind of weird coincidence that I saw about five examples in the first few days I was there, but then I realized it was all-pervasive and all-invasive.

        One Sunday morning my kid and I were walking peaceably through a residential suburb. A chunky built Black man was half reclining on a well kept lawn, carving beautiful big wooden spoons out of some light colored wood. I approached and asked him what he was carving.

        “Spoons Madam.”

        My kid: She’s not a madam; she’s my mom; her name’s Michelle.

        Carver: laughs uproariously, so does my kid.

        ME: We are from America so we are not madams. Do you sell these spoons?

        Carver: My name is Moses. I sell spoons.

        ME: Do you carve anything else?

        Moses: I sell whisks, madam. (then laughs) I sell whisks.

        ME: Do you carve toys?

        Moses: (Sobering.) But I don’t know how, ma — I don’t know.

        ME: That’s OK.

        My kid: That’s OK, I have plenty of toys.

        Moses: Laughs uproariously.

        ME: So are you here every Sunday, Moses?

        Moses: Yes madam, on Sunday afternoon. I work Sunday morning here (points to house). So Sunday afternoon I am carving here.

        ME: I don’t have money with me, Moses, but next Sunday if I come here can I buy two big spoons and two whisks?

        Moses: Yes, ma– Yes. I will have them ready.

        So then I told my friends in that suburb that I had a deal made to get beautiful spoons and whisks the following Sunday. They were appalled that I had approached a “Black man with a knife” and risked death by speaking with him.

        I said that I had approached an artisan with his work tools and I risked making a deal to buy his wares from him. Then it struck me how pitifully imprisoned they were by their unnatural lifestyle and the fear it imposed on everyone. Wow.

        When I came back to the states I gave beautiful big spoons and whisks to people as presents.

  33. I Hear Them All
    performed by Old Crow Medicine Show

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I hear the crying of the hungry
      In the deserts where they’re wandering
      Hear them crying out for Heaven’s own
      Benevolence upon them

      Hear destructive power prevailin’
      I hear fools falsely hailin’
      To the crooked wits of tyrants
      When they call

  34. I’m wondering if we can turn this awful racist slur into something positive.

    My name is _________
    I’m a niggra lover and I’m proud of it
    Justice for Trayvon

    Tee shirts and bumper stickers?

    Proceeds to a Justice for Trayvon Foundation?

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I understand where you are coming from …….but it’s not a good idea……It perpetuates the use of the n word.

      • Tzar says:

        it’s still too soon

      • esentrick says:

        Excellent point YAHTC But I leave you with this from the book To Kill a Mockingbird: “nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don’t mean anything – like snot-nose. It’s hard to explain – ignorant, trashy people use it when they think somebody’s favoring Negroes over and above themselves. It’s slipped into usage with some people like ourselves, when they want a common, ugly term to label somebody.”
        “You aren’t really a nigger-lover, then, are you?”
        “I certainly am. I do my best to love everybody… I’m hard put, sometimes – baby, it’s never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn’t hurt you.” (11.107-109).

      • No apologies needed, Rachel, but thank you. The intention was noble. I love this site with all my heart!

        Esentrick, I vehemently and respectfully disagree with you. Although Scout’s father meant well and posters on this thread mean well, you included, I and many others take offense to that hyphenated term.

        Let me give you an illustration.

        Those who say they are coffee lovers would say so with the understanding that the noun to which they refer is actually coffee. As a result, they coud say, “That is coffee. I love coffee; therefore, I am a coffee lover.”

        To generalize my example to “one of those terms that don’t mean anything,” one might say, “He/she is a n-word. I love n-words; therefore, I am an n-word lover.” By making that statement, you are in essence, calling groups of people whom you love the n-word. In the setting of the referenced novel the word was widely accepted and tolerated.

        I, and many other Blacks who lived in the Jim Crow era, would not want the be the target of affection by someone who has me in mind when saying, “I am an n-word lover.”

        Regardless of the intent and no matte how endearing, I am not, nor do I want to be refered to, as an n-word.

        It’s best to leave it in the vocabulary of “ignorant, trashy people.”

        I meant this post with no disrespect.

        • esentrick says:

          @diary I haven’t stated anything to disagree with. I simply provided a quote from one of my favorite books, because the term “niggra/nigger lover is directed towards whites or non-blacks and I appreciate how Attitcus stated the term and his view of being called the term. I absolutely agree with YATHC as I am black as well and proud of it! Although, I have not lived through the Jim Crow era as you mentioned, I have been victim to racial slurs as well. My grandmother use to tell me “it is not what they call you, it is what you answer to”. But I find being called or referenced as a “nigger, niggra, nigga, etc.” offensive and degrading.

        • cielo62 says:

          Diary~ What you said was said so respectfully, how could anyone take offense?  🙂   Seriously, language is a powerful tool. Sometimes folks just don’t realize words CAN hurt as badly as sticks and stones. We all need the reminder once in while.

      • Rachael says:

        I do see now how it perpetuates the use of that word. I wasn’t thinking. I was just so mad that it was used toward the Professor that I wasn’t thinking when I threw it back at FT. I didn’t mean it in a negative way, I just meant to FT that if felt it was a negative thing, then I am – well, I didn’t mean it that way. I was trying to strike out at so-called FT’s negativity.

        Again, I’m sorry for not thinking before I spoke out in anger.

      • Judy75201 says:

        I understand exactly what Diary is saying. It hurts to even READ the word, no matter the context. Let’s take that to heart and refuse to even quote the word.

      • Rachael says:

        I understand too and I’m so very sorry and ashamed and wish it hadn’t come out that way. It was meant as throwing it back at FT but I see it didn’t come out that way and I am so very very sorry.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Rachael,You write your regret and apology so well and so sincerely. You are a wonderful person and have a good heart.

        Isn’t it great that diaryofasuccessful expressed herself/himself so

      • Rachael says:

        Thanks YAHTC. I have learned a very important lesson. I was trying to mock FT and by doing so, I let myself be dragged down to the sewer with him. It was not worth it.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        🙂 Love ya, Rachael
        Aren’t we fortunate to be able to have sensitivity discussions like this one where everyone can share feelings and so much can be learned?
        I have learned over the years.
        For example:
        I remember in college during my teacher training days, when I wanted to help chicanos so much, I unknowingly used incorrect language in a college classroom presentation. I had used a word like “disadvantaged” (or something like that) instead of “lower socio-economic standing” (don’t quite recall) ………and the chicano students in my college class really jumped on me after I finished.
        I returned to my seat with my eyes filling with tears….but, I used that experience as a learning experience. I reflected on what they said and why. I became a better person. I also learned that good intentions were not enough, but that understanding …….really understanding a community and their thoughts…….would make me a better person and a better contributor to society.

    • I personally do not like to read that statement. It makes me cringe. Even in tongue and cheek, it cuts to my core.

    • It’s a really old fashion word, no one uses it anymore that I’ve heard. and it’s not negative, nigger that is, at least not to most people who actually use it in everyday speech.

      I called the zimmerlovers zimmerlovers, for a months before I even remembered the phrase *nigger lover*!!LOL but I mean it in the worst way possible! as a matter of fact I couldn’t really think of a worse thing to call them so I had to make something up! LOL 😆

  35. Rachael says:

    Hi. My name is Rachael, and I’m a Niggra lover.

    I would not be surprised if that was just someone using FT’s name, but even so, that doesn’t change the intent or the meaning. This case has shown me this country is overrun with FT’s.

    My name is Rachael, I’m a Niggra lover, and I’m proud of it.

    • Xena says:

      Hi. My name is Xena and I see White people. (Line from scary movie.)

    • Rachael, I have two experiences in my past that I will never forget.in both cases I was ignorant of what I was saying ( totally not thinking right) One, I was working at LAX , I was in my early 20’s, I said something about nazis to a German girl I worked with, she scolded me & explained how it hurt Germans to be referred to as such. I was never in the war, I had no idea of the pain that word represented. The second experience happened years later, at another workplace. First, let me say, in the south many people, both black & white, use the n- word, I am close to both. I was working late( after we closed) casing mail. I flippantly said the n- word about something. A little ways from me , one of my favorite people( the most inspiring single mother I know) ( a black lady) heard me say it. She never said anything to me, but the thought that I had hurt someone that I respected so much really put a censor on my tongue. I think it is ignorance of how deep the pain is, and not taking what you are thinking seriously that gets many people in pickles like that. Not speaking for FT, just about the t shirt idea. Btw, I don’t use that word any more for any reason, 🙂

      • Rachael says:

        The reason Im so upset is because I have never used that word, but I felt like if that was the worst thing FT could call me, he could just kiss my ass, but it didn’t come out that way. I’ve been horribly upset about this all night. I just horrified it came out that way. All I wanted to get across was for FT to kma and now I just want to crawl into a hole and die. i’m sooooooo very sorry.

  36. colin black says:

    Trained Observer says:

    February 10, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Yes, Crane-Station, would appreciate fresh access to that link.

    … As first-year anniversary of Trayvon’s death approaches, many leases at R@TW must be about to expire if they haven’t already. With vermin like Taffy as now known quantities in the neighborhood, am betting a flood of renters haved packed up and moved on.

    Out of curiosity while awaiting the next hearing, it would be interesting to know how many rental units have turned over since Trayvon’s killing, how many units are now standing empty, and how much the typical R@TL rental rate has declined in the past year.

    On the ownership side, how many units are for sale or up for short-sale, or in foreclosure? What’s the median price? How many units are delinquent on paying HOA dues? … (Which puts more financial pressure on Taffy, assuming he’s an owner and not a renter.) Some of these owner witnesses must be furious at Fogen, the busybody renter, for putting their homes in jeopardy in the face of possible civil suits over the Neighborhood Watch connection.

    Maybe among followers here, there’s someone with expert real estate connections in Seminole County.

    @Trained Observer

    Wouldnt bother me if it ends up as a ghost retreat.
    All the properties forclosed abandoned to the elements.
    With proprty prises of 20 dollars to buy.

    Something very nasty occoured in that gated communiyy.

    M Opiion a lot of buyers whom normally wouldnt have got loans an opinions above themselfs.
    Snobish type attatude.
    Plus a lot of people snatched up second morgatges to rent an flip properties in a decade
    An didnt care or do proper checks on whom the let out to.
    Like a legit letting agency does.
    So we ended up with the foggen type dudes.
    An thease pretensiou wannabee renters at a wow gated comunity with a clubhouse pool an evything man its like freaking hollywood compared to the hood dude types.

    An evil toxic brew wich made it accectable to apoint foggen as sherif of the no retreat syg at twin freakin ponds oops a mean lakes.

  37. I am reposting 3 excellent LLMPapa videos from last summer after the first document dump in the case. Tzar posted them last night on the straddling article.

    They are important.

    Part I:

    Part II:

    Part III:

  38. KA says:

    IT kinda reminds me of Robert Sr comment about believing the scream was his sons because “he heard him scream like that as a teenager”.

    I am so glad all sides agree that it was a “teen and a kid” screaming.

  39. While I am commenting, which I rarely do, I’d like to go off topic. I heard a noise outside my house one night. I contributed it to a cat scratching on a wooden fence my neighbor had up. Finally I decided to scare the cat away and went out my front door to the end of my cement porch. The neighbors side garage door was about 10 feet or so beside my house and as I looked up between our houses I could see someone at the side garage door. I muttered out ratherly loudly “Oh, my God!”.

    The individual ran towards me and had a long thing in his hand that looked like a machete (probably a long saw). He ran past me and right into a group of shrubbery bushes. We pruned them and they had sharp points on the leaves. As I turned and watched him run past and fall face forward into the big shrubs, he quickly turned his body as he scrambled up….to face me…twisting his body as he came out of the bushes. He ran off as by this time I was screaming, “What the hell are you doing.”

    If you click on my name you can see photo’s I posted of GZ. Look at the scratches around his face even into his hair.

    As I watched the video’s taken while walking through the area, I paid close attention to all the bushes and trees and shrubbery so carefully pruned. I remembered how if you tried to reach into my shrubbery back when the guy was cutting into my neighbors garage door, you would have met with some sharp little limbs and some pointed leaves. And, I wondered how GZ got those scrapes to his head, face and nose :).

    I would not delete your post, Professor, from the racist pig. I am sure the authorities would love to trace it right back to Taffee’s oh so smart brain.

  40. colin black says:

    Nah he is trying to set up the Prof.
    He wants to be doxed so he can run cry foul .Get an apearance on M S M.
    Probably got it set up where he can claim his aacounts been hacked…..by pro Trayvon people ie us type dudes
    An thats wht so obvious I am frank I been on tv im a motherfn media personalty.
    An the real name an email of course.

    Thease sad sacks are so transparent an predictable.
    I used to love takeing advantage of dolts like him.
    Now I feel sad at such a waste of space an breath gets to walk about.
    An Trayvon gets shot by another of the same Ilk/

    He doesnt realise doxing lieing an slandering are on his side of the wall.
    Not ours..

    • Malisha says:

      How could anyone slander Frank Taaffe?

      • There are some mad hornets in the spam queue, claiming that a different racist bigot posted this, not the real racist bigot, but some other racist bigot pretending to be the real racist bigot.

        Life imitates art.

      • racerrodig says:

        I’ll bet if anyone here says this out loud it will be the first time EVER

        “…I’d like you to meet my friend Frank Taaffe….he’s a real nice guy….you’ll really like him”

        Many will have heard this…………..

        “Who’s that nut”
        “Oh, he lives down there…..near the entrance”
        “Man, what’s his deal”
        “He’s a diehard drunken, foul mouthed racist…with short term vision………..need I say more”
        “……isn’t he the one who had 2 son’s commit suicide and all because of his actions”

    • Colin this is Frances! this is his patten of speech and he’s not smart enough to cover his ass by changing his email or try to be anonymous online. he’s been saying these filthy things online for months since the beginning if the case! and he doesn’t mind replying to people, posting newspaper forums. he has no qualms about sharing his stupidity with anyone. he thinks everyone thinks like him so he thinks he’s right and that he’s saying what others are afraid to say. LOLO it’s a sickness or maybe brain damage. but that’s what this idiot is all about.

      it’s another reason i didn’t like to see marinade dave *interview* him, no matter what the intentions are. i can’t stand it when he gets any attention. by giving him a forum to speak just reaffirms his self righteousness.

  41. colin black says:

    I find impossable to have a civilised conversation with saltwatertaffe like dudes.
    Bitter old before there time drink addled individuals whom are clueless.
    As to how the hatred spewed from there mouths mirrors the hatered imbeded into every fibre of there being.

    An the person they hate the most is the face they see in the mirror.

  42. Just put the ip numbers in here and it will tell you where the isp is located.


  43. Taffee said “jackass.” LOL!

  44. Tavia Anderson says:

    George Zimmerpig’s supporters still don’t know how to shut up. The expert witness for the defense has already stated that Zimmerpig never returned to his car and that his timeline is a complete lie…. and these low lifes that supports a kid murderer still won’t shut their ignorant mouths. FYI I found that information about the defense expert on Benjamin “Justice 4 Trayvon ” Crump on his attorney’s Facebook page.

    • truthseeker66 says:

      The defense has expert witness testimony retiring fogen’ s account???

      • truthseeker66 says:


      • Tavia Anderson says:

        This is what I read yesterday on his lawyer’s Facebook page. I provided the name of his lawyer’s page you can check it for yourself.

      • Tavia Anderson says:

        Benjamin “Justice 4 Trayvon” Crump

        Yesterday at 12:16pm · The defendant’s expert forensic person, has made an amazing discovery, although not wanting to go all out on the defendantHis discovery?The defendant completely lied about going back to his truck, because according to the defense’s expert, his timeline is a complete lie. I just copied and pasted this from his Lawyer’s Facebook page.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      We call him Fogen around here. Leave the nasty names somewhere else.

    • bettykath says:

      I think you’re referring to the expert witness on the TV. That person was hired by the TV station, not the defense. His interpretation gives a little to both the prosecution and the defense.

  45. Poor Austin, he’s tramatized for life!!
    did you all see the what JR said about Congress woman Brown?

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      So sad.

      Thank you for posting this, shannoninmiami.

    • pat deadder says:

      I know this has probably been covered a million times but I’m a little slow.As I listened to the DeeDee interview again she said Trayvon was going to run from the back.Maybe he started running long before he got to the cut through when fogen was following in his truck then he never dreamed the creepy guy would follow on foot so he started to relax.I just have no concept of maps and time frames and such. Sorry if this sounds crazy but if only we knew what happened for his Family’s sake.I wish fogen would plea and have to tell what happened.

  46. Just found this link….a little dated….it seems that taaffe has some anger issues of his own….restraining orders and such


  47. Trained Observer says:

    Yes, Crane-Station, would appreciate fresh access to that link.

    … As first-year anniversary of Trayvon’s death approaches, many leases at R@TW must be about to expire if they haven’t already. With vermin like Taffy as now known quantities in the neighborhood, am betting a flood of renters haved packed up and moved on.

    Out of curiosity while awaiting the next hearing, it would be interesting to know how many rental units have turned over since Trayvon’s killing, how many units are now standing empty, and how much the typical R@TL rental rate has declined in the past year.

    On the ownership side, how many units are for sale or up for short-sale, or in foreclosure? What’s the median price? How many units are delinquent on paying HOA dues? … (Which puts more financial pressure on Taffy, assuming he’s an owner and not a renter.) Some of these owner witnesses must be furious at Fogen, the busybody renter, for putting their homes in jeopardy in the face of possible civil suits over the Neighborhood Watch connection.

    Maybe among followers here, there’s someone with expert real estate connections in Seminole County.

  48. Let there be no mistake:

    I am proud to call myself a” Niggra lover and mother fucking shit stirrer.”

    I am sick-to-death of racism and intend to confront and tear it down wherever I see it.

    Enough is Enough!

    End Racism Now!

  49. nancycacc says:

    tsk tsk mr. frank. you know better than to hit the keyboad after you’ve been hitting the sauce all night. i don’t think there is a more miserable being on the planet than you, mr. frank. your own children don’t even want anything to do with you.

    justice for trayvon martin. coming soon to a courtrom near you.

    • Malisha says:

      Nancy, I think that would be, “Your [remaining] child doesn’t want anything more to do with you.” Tragedy has hit Taaffe, but it has not humanized him. God help his ex-wife, think what she went through!

  50. Where is a link to LLMPapa video doing the screams? It would be appropriate for this post.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      • Thank you. He’s putting it in now.

      • Muchas gracias for the link.

      • TommysMom says:

        I wish I hadn’t clicked on that,I hadn’t heard Trayvon’s crying and it was truly as bad as I imagined it to be. How could anyone hear that and now try to help him? The tears flow freely now for a child three weeks into his 17th year. I pray there will be justice for Trayvon,and soon.

        I have a birthday coming this month,at my age it’s usually just another day. This year is a milestone,I’ll be 75,if the Lord wills it,but it’s also the 25th,one day before Trayvon was murdered by a hate fueled coward.

        One very hard lesson

        Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
        Ro.12:19 NKJV

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Yes, it is a very hard lesson, TommysMom.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I love Yoda. Such Buddhist wisdom.

      • Operacarla says:

        Happy Birthday TommysMom!

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      W18: Then I heard someone desperately saying, “help, help”

      W18: I’m sorry. I don’t think I’ll ever forget those yells.


      From Ashley Banfield interview:

      W18:It was almost like a yelp. It was like a devastating desperate type of yell for help and, you know, even to a sense that it couldn’t have been a cry.

      • Haunting and heartbreaking.

      • TommysMom says:

        It’s so very strange that none of those in Z’s camp can even imagine themselves in the position of Trayvon’s parents.

        They might want to consider the following.

        THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I – “On seeing several criminals being led to the scaffold in the 16th century, English Protestant martyr John Bradford remarked, ‘There but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford.’ His words, without his name, are still very common ones today for expressing one’s blessings compared to the fate of another. Bradford was later burned at the stake as a heretic.”

      • ay2z says:

        One particular ‘help’ early in W11’s call, one of the help cries stands out for it’s emotion as is torn by a cracking voice.

        Isolate and play that one for the jury!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Yes, TommysMom. Joan Baez sang a version of it.

      • gbrbsb says:

        Great song, great singer… one of my time and sentiment… And this one too with a similar theme…

  51. Trained Observer says:

    Have you forwarded this info to the State? Also, do you think Corey’s office (a BDLR intern, maybe) is monitoring your blog, picking up terrific videos and other tidbits?

  52. tonydphotog says:

    Speaking of RZ Junior…

    • Just read it…..reaction?….POS

      It might be interesting to check into RZJr’s background also…..see what skeletons might be in his closet.

      • Jun says:

        From observation, he is very manipulative like Fogenhats

        He is a control freak and an image freak

        The obsession with image is moreso so they can get away with their crimes

        However, their control freakness causes them to either manipulate or intimidate

        He also acts like a slave master

        However, he is a huge coward

        I would not doubt if he was a rapist or a pedophile or something, seeing how he likes to pick on the victim after death and then manipulate his way onto media with phoniness to slander a dead kid

        There are very strange dynamics in that family between the father, son, and brother

        I am starting to theorize that w9, when she was being molested, that Junior and father participated in the manipulation for her not to go forward

        Rape and molestation mess up people’s minds

    • justchill says:

      oh brother. i cannot wait till we hear the last from this bag of hot air.

    • TommysMom says:

      Interesting reading. From the desk of, like he’s an executive of some major company. To funny. I do wonder who the author is,I don’t think Jr. has the intellect

    • Judy75201 says:

      I love the irony (that Junior isn’t capable of getting) of his statement about it being “inappropriate”:

      “While it is indeed in the interest of public officials to lead their community’s healing process –it is inapropriate to engage in what could be perceived as a display of overt prejudicial bias by standing shoulder-to-shoulder with persons who have repeatedly
      referred to my brother as a “murderer” in order to do so.”

      • MelRoy says:

        Question: Does anyone in the Zimmerman clan actually work?

        • jm says:

          MelRoy: “Question: Does anyone in the Zimmerman clan actually work?”

          That was my question too, especially RZJ. Surely he doesn’t get paid to appear on TV talk shows does he? Is he getting an allowance from GZ legal fund?

          What are his means of supporting himself? Does he ever give his credentials or background education? Someone mentioned before he was a lawyer and he does sound a bit like one with his double-talking legalese way of saying things.

      • Malisha says:

        jm, I do not believe Junior is a lawyer.

    • racerrodig says:

      So Rz jr officially qualifies as “Hypocritical, Lying, Racist Shit for Brains Maggot.

      Is this guy for real of a figment of our collective imaginations.

      His tweets are a joke and his letter is a joke. Can I slap him upside the head just for the hell of it ??

      • Judy75201 says:


      • racerrodig says:

        “…or a figment…” Why is the “f” so close to the “r” on my keyboard?

      • esentrick says:

        @racerrodig The evil side of me says yes slap the SOB! But as an e-friend I don’t want to see you charged with assault thus allowing the SOB gaining any benefit.

        • racerrodig says:

          True……I know, I’ll call NEN and say “….there’s a real suspicious lying, hypocritical, racist maggot and we seem to know what his deal is…..oh and he’s armed”

      • kllypyn says:

        i’ve sent him some tweets of my own. which he will probably delete

        • racerrodig says:

          I don’t tweet but have read a lot of his. I’d be embarrassed to walk down the street after having said any of that, but…..that’s just me.

      • please do, if you can catch em,… those roaches can be slick, slimy little fuckers!

      • Malisha says:

        racerrodig, you need a new keyboard. Put the “r” by your left pinkie and the “f” by your right pinkie. Then smash yourself in the face with the new keyboard. Then lie on the ground barking “help me help me help me” in a high voice like an excited chihuahua on the Fourth of July. Then bonk your head on the ground several times, then hook both your pinkies, say a prayer, draw your gun, and stand your ground. Without getting grass-stains on your behind. OK?

        Does that work now?

        No? Oh, damn, I must’v got something wrong. Just give me a minute, I’ll come up with another solution…

      • Looolooo says:

        @Racerrodig…Um, we DO need you to do that.

        • racerrodig says:

          Okay………I wish you’d make up your minds !!

          • Just can’t wait to break my right hand for the 4th time 🙂

          • racerrodig says:

            Then we’re on and you won’t break your hand again. I’ll have something you can fill it with.

          • Lock in a sock? 🙂

            One of the breaks was from me punching a Boxer dog in the side of the head while it was attacking my dog.

            Anatomy lesson learned?………Dogs have thick hard skulls 😦

          • racerrodig says:

            I have a rule on that. Never strike anything unless you know that you will inflict more damage than you will suffer.

          • The right was also broken by an assault by a Kennedy Roll Away 😦

          • racerrodig says:


          • Hey Race…..as to ur back scratcher….I also have a horse jaw here………ifin U wunt a heavy duty one?…..Plenty of Deer jaws.

            U don’t see road kills up here as the DOW removes them quick …..before predators and scavengers get them and more get killed….

            SOOOOO…..My Buddy with the DOW told me what forest service road they drop the carcasses off on to be scavenged…..

            Kinda like my own personal Bone Anza 🙂

          • racerrodig says:

            I’ve been jumping on and off all weekend and I forgot to ask the Professor to give you my e-mail address. Anything you want to do is cool with me.

          • cielo62 says:

            MMP- punny. Real punny.

            Sent from my iPod

          • racerrodig says:

            Where is MMP today ??

          • Race….

            MMP went to the big city today to resupply…….Plus sat in on a few hearings to see how they’re done on Co.

            Even got to speak with the Magistrate for a bit…… I have these people so by the balls 🙂

            Where the hell is all the .22 ammo?………….can’t find it anywhere….

            Oh well still have the front stuffers….plenty of powder, lead & caps 🙂

            Ya’ll take care…Be well & Be Happy…..busy day today also……..Keep up the fight


    • leander22 says:

      This is a highly interesting document. thanks.

  53. To the extent that a person is known by the company he keeps, I suspect the FBI may find some interesting information exploring the FT-GZ circle of fellow admirers.

    • Jun says:

      I theorized that the FBI is keeping tabs on Fogenhats’ and Junior’s gang of followers or cult

      Would not be surprised, as they are showing signs of future hate criminals

      • truthseeker66 says:

        Since fogen claims he was the one crying…i think ft is angry with the witnesses for sticking up for TM. Experience has taught me that whatever you vehemently profess not to b is what u r. The fogen clan all profess to not b racist yet the spew racism whenever they speak.

      • Rachael says:

        Don’t worry Jun, I know they are. I’ve seen to that 😉

  54. I think the prosecution will be interested in Taaffe’s comment about a kid crying.

    • ay2z says:

      Oh yes, he’s a WITNESS!

      • ay2z says:

        oops, wong link , but he is a witness in the media for the character of the defendant, just like Taafee was.

        What might a ranting racist really think about his good friend, the defendant having friends who look like this? Go BDLR!

      • MelRoy says:

        A character witness who is only a casual acquaintance in a murder trial? I don’t think so. Joe Oliver and Frank Taaffe do not know anything other than what Zimmerman told them after the fact, after he’d had time to think about his story, i.e. hearsay.

    • Nefertari05 says:

      Well, if the defense can go after DeeDee’s social media, is the reverse not true? Maybe there’s a whole *we won’t stoop to their level* argument to be made, but – I just get so upset with them constantly trying to vilify and intimidate, this young woman. I would like to see the prosecution indicate that if the defense feels this is a viable strategy,the prosecution can do it as well. With nutsos like Taaffe and JR, running wild through the interwebs, the prosecution has far more to mine for than the defense. And far more likely to hit a motherlode, if I may stretch the metaphor.

      • @Nefertari,
        oh yes, the state has already mentiioned gz’s rants about mexicans of his myspace.so they have gz’s social media already. it’s probably worse than what we’ve seen already.

        but remember facebook and twitter are NOT giving them anything. they have privacy policies already in place for things like this.
        but i hope they are also collecting frances’ tweets and rants now! 🙂

      • seallison says:

        Fear not, people have read and saved Taaffe Tweets and sent them off to the authorities.

  55. Jun says:

    How wonderful

    We are niggra lovers here

    My guess is Frank is quite the man to talk ill of a dead kid, so tough as nails to bully a dead kid

    Imma put money down and say that it is probably RZ Junior’s gang members doing this

  56. Yep, Zimmerman’s friends and family sure do a good job of standing up for their man don’t they? What I find scary is the fact that this “man” is still living at RATL among all these witnesses.

    • Jun says:

      Me thinks it is a troubled individual, who does not measure up in real life, so like the coward he is, hides behind a computer to talk ill of a dead murdered kid

    • cielo62 says:

      I’m confused. hasn’t Taafe’s house been up for foreclosure for like 10 months or something? Just how LONG does someone stay in their house in Florida once it’s in floreclosure?

      • The banks have slowed down the foreclosure process because most of the foreclosures are unlawful and they can’t sell the houses after they are vacant.

        They get trashed after they are vacant.

        They would rather have someone living in them.

        Slowing the foreclosure process means fewer houses are available for purchase and that has resulted in creating a false sense of a bottoming out of the market. This has created the illusion that the worst is over and the banks hope people will start buying homes.

        The strategy is not working as they hoped it would.

        The title is screwed up on all sales that used MERS.

        Banks that used MERS do not have clear title to convey.

        Yep, it’s a mess.

        • racerrodig says:

          Now you did it….MERS….I could write a book on the fraud they perpetrate…..Show me the Note……and I’ll show you the money.

        • cielo62 says:

          Professor~ Thank you for explaining that. So basically he’s living there rent free until the process gets resolved someway legally. Too bad for his neighbors.

      • Lynn says:

        Click to access 012626.pdf

        Property Appraiser’s office says his 2012 taxes are paid in full. I don’t know if he’s paying them or the mortgage company is but they’re paid. I have a house in Duval County and this looks like my bill that I pay in full each year directly. (My house is paid for so no mortgage company to include it in my monthly payments.)

  57. Dave says:

    How sure can you be that the emailis from the real Frank Taaffe? Obviously it was sent by some racist lowlife but I would not automatically denounce the *famous* Mr. Taaffe for it.

    • Why would some racist lowlife pretend to be Frank Taaffe?

      How would they even know how to spell his name?

      • onlyiamunitron says:

        Wasn’t there someone over at HuffPo who knew how to spell Leatherman?

        I’m sure if I tried hard enough I could find an email account provider where I could get an account in the name jesuschrist.

        I guarantee you having that account would not enable me to turn water into wine (or even soup if you handed me a can of Campbell’s) and any attempt to walk on water would still require several days of the temperature remaining below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

        Is it possible that it’s actually “the” Frank Taaffe? Yes.

        Likely? Not nearly so much as it’s likely someone else.

        Trolls troll to get people to react the way you’re reacting.


      • ay2z says:

        ‘cut and paste’?

      • leander22 says:

        Likely? Not nearly so much as it’s likely someone else.

        Wasn’t there someone over at HuffPo who knew how to spell Leatherman?

        I wrote a longer mediation on the subject but spare it to you. Fact is, these are completely different motives. One shows that Frederick’s blog and opinion has been received in circles in the opposite camp, thus someone likes to defame him, and even aaffe and his fan club may have registered it. This one at least, if we suppose it wasn’t him, had no real motives to adopt Taaffe’s identity but to spread his message.

        Ok, I agree it must not necessarily be, but it could well be. It definitively is either Frank himself or his fan base. There is no motive for anyone for anyone else to write something like that under his name.

      • leander22 says:

        If I am not open to the assumption that Frederick himself created the mail to cause an event or an article. 😉

        Maybe you can help me out with other motives? The top priority seems to be to defame people. but how can you defame somebody that thinks and writes the same as you?

    • Well, he’s not doing the Zimmerman camp any good, lurching about the internet, drunk and running his mouth. When someone is drunk and spewing, they are unable to control impulsive speech and have a tendency to say what is really on the mind.

      “kid crying”

      Very revealing and Freudian.

      He needs an interlock device for his keyboard..

      • Actually Crane, I’d actually like to send him a case of his favorite stuff to keep him talking even more. I think that it could be very revealing….and entertaining too. 😈 😆

      • Malisha says:

        GWS, you’d be contributing to the further pickling of a liver under siege. I’m sure that’s not a crime under Florida law, but think of what could happen to you when you reached the pearly gates and had to explain your conduct!

      • leander22 says:

        I am with grey winter sky on this, alcohol cannot bring out something to start with.

        But I am interested in addiction, and that is never the same as usage, for a long time now, and strictly I wonder to what extend it could matter that Fogen gets very fat in such a short time. Not that he did not always have a tendency for it. It’s actually pretty frequent that people who a tendency to solve problems with a mood-enhancer of whatever type, like drugs or alcohol, try to reach out for something else out there to make them feel good if either the earlier drug is taken away from them or there is a more severe problem that needs further mood enhancers.

        A friend of mine, the most horrible bulimia story I have ever witnessed in my life, since it was so enormously masochistic for the observer, once told me. She felt most understood with alcoholics, but food was far worse, since with alcohol you could actually stop drinking it, but you could never stop to eat. And that in her case eating was the same as for the alcoholic who couldn’t stop.

        • This is true. Well at least I can relate to the friend, because I was bulimic for 17 years, ’79 to ’96, and I have had alcohol struggles as well. They are both awful, but the thing is, you can’t just stop eating.

          The other thing is, there are not withdrawal issues with bulimia, whereas with alcohol, depending on time/amount of intake, a safe detoxification in a hospital may be necessary.

          GZ definitely has an eating disorder, as he is overeating to cope. This is a very difficult situation to be in, and a very difficult situation to get out of, without some professional help.

      • leander22 says:

        My mind was far ahead of my fingers:

        I am with grey winter sky on this, alcohol cannot bring out something that is not there to start with.

    • Jun says:

      The only way to know is to do an IP address check, and also go through any tricks like proxies to find the individual responsible

      The funny thing is these individuals, a large majority, hide behind a computer

      They are scared of being outed as racist in the media

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Maybe, it is someone else in gz’s inner group and diverted attention from himself by using Taaffe’s name.

      • seallison says:

        Have you guys followed Twitter. This Frank Taaffe has absolutely no fear about spouting his filth around the Internet. I wouldn’t cut him ANY slack.

        There are many on Twitter who have saved his Tweets and I, for one, will NOT post any one of them here.

      • leander22 says:

        thanks, I had the same idea. And will stop writing more comments before I read this thread. Will take quite a bit. 😉

    • SearchingMind says:

      Yeah, Dave I think you are right. Good observation. On the other hand, Professor knows exactly where to draw- and did in fact drew the legal line. The Frank Taafee he meant is no other than the one that sent the message and identified him-/herself Frank Taaffe.

      • SearchingMind says:

        The Professor can also use the (racist) statement of one Frank Taaffe in the context of the discussion of another (racist) statement from another Frank Taaffe. So, let Frank Taaffe (whichever one) bring it on. He will be more than welcomed to the legal society.

    • Liz Hoover says:

      Why would someone want to claim to be FT? The post that was made under FT sounds exactly like him. He is not bright enough to to make big enough changes in verbiage, his hatred and attitude (or doesn’t care enough) to hide who he truly is.

      I am positive he is also is on HP under several names using the same, but somewhat toned down, virulent comments about TM, his family, attorneys and anyone who is on the prosecution team.

      There are times when he’s in his cups at night and the ugly really flies.

      • onlyiamunitron says:

        “Why would someone want to claim to be FT? ”

        To get y’all all riled up?

        That is why trolls troll, to get someone to take the bait.


  58. itsallboutmeash says:

    Sounds like Frank was in his cups last night.

    • After following his tweets for almost a year now, I’ve no doubt that Frank the Tank was drunk tweeting/posting. Sounds just like him to me.

      • Judy75201 says:

        Are you still able to see his tweets? I can’t see @pinsones anymore.

      • yep that’s him!ol frances is on another drunkin stuper and can’t stand the attention Trayvon and Family are getting recently. they having somthing in Sanford for Trayvon and he can;t stand it!! LOLOL

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Judy, I put on my waders and went to look. His twitter is now open only to confirmed followers.

      • Judy75201 says:

        Thanks, Two Sides. BTW, I am now LionHeartress1 on twitter. I’m on my 3rd suspension. The fogen goup didn’t like my avatar of the murderer behind bars, so quickly got me suspended twice in a row. It really burned me this last time, tho, because I was suspended over Trayvon’s birthday and thus unable to participate in the the honoring of Trayvon on Twitter that day.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        So you’re a Twitter warrior! I’ve never had an account suspended, but did get banned from GZLC FB for speaking my mind when it was still active.

      • Xena says:

        Yeah. He needs to put down the jelly glass. 🙂

      • seallison says:

        Judy – Am I still on your follower list even though you have a new account.

        Taaffe blocked me even before I had made comment to him. But, I did follow his tweets.

        He is the one who is hot on DeeDee. I think he posts at the nut house because the – style – and comments are alike.

        I never wanted to tweet him because we already know his personality and his racist ways.

        He supposedly is a wife-beater. So, in my opinion, he has no respect for women either.

        He aint worth my time. There is alot more to him than we know so far as far as his involvement goes in this case.

        • racerrodig says:

          “He supposedly is a wife-beater.” That was proven last year in documentaion from several sources. His ex has a permanent restraining order against him for that very reason.

          • seallison says:

            His daughter has Tweeted a few times and I have seen her comments elsewhere from time-to-time.

            She wants nothing to do with him and is embarrassed to be associated with him in any way.

          • racerrodig says:

            Not to mention the fact that 2 of his sons committed suicide. One left a letter stating his dad is the majority of the reason. How’s that for a legacy ???

      • Judy75201 says:

        @seallison, what is your handle? THANKS

      • Judy75201 says:

        OK, seallison, we are all sorted now!! So great to know who you are on both sites.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        LOLOL. Bad grammar. *banned from GZ when it was still active for speaking my mind!*

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Still losing it! *GZLC on FB*

      • Malisha says:

        Racerodig — one of his sons overdosed; the other was killed in an auto crash. I’m not sure either one was attributed to suicide by any medical examiner (there might have to be a psychological autopsy to figure either one out, and there’s the factor of the poor rest of the family’s terrible pain to be considered too) but what DID happen was that even at the funeral of his first son, Taaffe was required to attend at only certain periods of time because of the existing restraining order protecting the rest of the family from him. I am sure that there had to have been some very serious violence by him against family members for this to be so strict and for the hard feelings to have lasted that long. My personal opinion is that the guy is out of control. For him to be a role model for Fogen is obviously a case of the blind leading the blind. (Or those with short-term vision leading the deliberately visually impaired.)

  59. For Frank:

    That’s the point exactly, Frank.

    “just heard a kid crying”

    Heard a KID CRYING.

    Not an adult supposedly shouting for help.

    Even though you have a filthy mouth and you can’t write your way out of a bag, it’s nice to see you on board, fighting the good fight, for Trayvon.

    BTW, if brains were gasoline, you wouldn’t have sense enough to run a piss-ant’s go-kart around the inside of a donut.

  60. Plant corn….and use Taaffe as fertilizer….

  61. Sounds like Frank. Despicable human being.

    • Mr. Frank has . . . uhm . . . issues.

      Poor old chap. Appears to be crying out for help.

      • lurker says:

        Issues is right. Recalling his recent DUI, it would appear as though he has a problem making decisions (like posting to websites) while impaired.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I haven’t visited Francis’s twitter in quite some time. When he became visible to the public as Fogen’s “friend” (which he may not be) I put on my waders and took a look. Pretty shocking and amusing in a twisted way. With a friend like Frank, you sure don’t need enemies. Yup, when you plant corn you sure do get corn, indeed.

      • William Walton says:

        Prof; This racist thing is bullshit. While at the University I was friends with a black girl who lived in the same apartment complex that I did and we also were in the same speech class. Her dad was a lawyer with the State of Illinois investigating Civil rights cases. She invited me home with her one weekend to which I replied I had research to do. She convinced me I should go and I did. When we arrive at her home, she knocked on the door and when her mother answered, she introduced me as her fiance~. I was astonded but met the lady. Her dad finally came home and was appalled that his daughter would be engaged to a white guy. We had several breakfasts, lunchs, and dinners where the dad kept saying mixed marriages are wrong and one should marry into their own race. Sunday, when we were ready to return to the University, she told her Dad we were not engaged but just friends. She also told him she was preparing for her speech in speech class and he had just proved that blacks are just as predudiced as white. Most Interesting.

      • ay2z says:

        To Frank’s issues and the “Poor old chap. Appears to be crying out for help” comment, I’d like to suggest an all-expense paid-donation-to-the-GZDefense-fund-trip to the right siide chair on the DR. PHIL stage, and the sooner the better.

      • lurker says:

        @ William Walton. You have to understand that racism and prejudice are two different things. Taaffe’s attitudes are indeed prejudiced. However, racism would include such things as the operation of the SPD or other facets of the legal system in such a way as to advantage whites over blacks. Mr. Taaffe seems to either place incredible faith in the latter, or to be incredibly stupid and uncaring about his friend George, to go around making the statements that he has been making.

      • racerrodig says:

        Frank “The Racist Tank” Taaffe has issues ??? Naaaaaaa !!

      • racerrodig says:

        I forgot ……..he does have that “Short Term Vision” Issue.

        Sorry, My Bad.

      • Malisha says:

        @ William Walton. Your friend’s experiment to prove to her class that Blacks were just as prejudiced as whites was a very flawed experiment. It proved nothing of the sort. I’m not taking any position on the question: “Are Blacks as prejudiced as whites?” nor could I probably have enough knowledge or intelligence to form such an opinion after a degree, master’s, and Ph.D. in some subject giving me insight, but let me just say that the information she gleaned from her father’s opposition to interracial marriage at that point in time (taking into account that not even the basis for his opposition was part of the data collected) was very close to worthless in coming up with an approximately correct answer to the question. IOW, how silly.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        William, neither inductive (yours) nor deductive reasoning works in such a discussion.

        As far as your story example, can you go to a shopping mall and get all the white men to agree that they are just like you?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Goodness, Malisha……we just posted simultaneously!

      • Malisha says:

        @ Youall — oooh I got chills. 😀

      • bettykath says:

        I think William’s friend made her generalization too broad. She proved that her father disapproved of interracial marriage and, maybe, depending on his reasons, proved that he held prejudices against whites. But we all have prejudices. The differences start to matter when those prejudices result in laws and practices that oppress on the basis of those prejudices. Race is only one prejudice that rates oppressive laws, so does sexual orientation. Disabilities result in oppression, not necessarily in laws of oppression, but in laws of omission where the needs of differently-abled are ignored with a result of oppression.

        Racism is the institutionalization of the oppression based on race through laws and customs.

      • bettykath says:

        Actually, I think that Willaim’s friend probably gave her father something to think about.

      • leander22 says:

        William, I am with Malisha on that comment. It’s in fact pretty much a commonplace. One of my special interests is antisemitism, and there too it is the absolute standard. You hear it over and over again. Prejudice against Jewish people can only form since they want to stay apart. Now what about yourself, if we do not concentrate on religion or the larger ethnicity? Don’t you choose to be with people which share features comparable on your own background, experiences and outlooks on life? Doesn’t everybody?

        So according to your little story black people have prejudices too? Yes, they are in fact humans. So what?

        But, could the father’s reaction have to do with the fact that he simply worries about his daughter’s choices for the same reasons all father do more or less? … From the top of my head: He may for instance suspect this guy has the wrong reasons. Don’t you think you could come into a completely white environment and the father would object for whatever reason too?

        As an aside: Racism often has a sexual undercurrent. It’s easy to study in German antisemitism, Jewish man for instance were both female weaklings and supposedly had very much sexual prowess. From the top of my head. I am pretty sure there are comparable attitudes in attitudes towards black people. That’s just one item that comes to mind in the context. Could he instinctively feel this guy may only wants to sleep with a black women once?

      • leander22 says:

        Ok, I could have save some comment space, in which case, I wouldn’t have to excuse for bad proofreading. Hmm, there may be emotions involved,yes the topic makes me angry. 😉 But I am very pleased everything is said already.

      • thejbmission says:

        Just by the fact that he called Prof. Leatherman a shit stirrer speaks volumes. LOL All I can say is “Thank God for all of the shit stirrers in the world” Where would we be without them.
        Keep stirring professor!

    • kimmi says:

      If it sounds like Frank, it probably is Frank.

      • Malisha says:

        I would add, “if it sounds like Frank, if it whinnies like frank’s head whinnies, if it gallops like Frank’s legs gallop, if it eats oats like Frank’s mouth eats oats, it’s probably some horse’s ass.”

      • Maaalisssssshaaaaaaa……..lol lol lol loll llolllll llollol llllolollllll!

      • leander22 says:

        If it is not Frank, it is not much better either since it shows there are more, even some that may prefer to hide under the name of some type of hero that they feel speaks for them. For whatever reason these are the people I seem to be more worried about. The silent camp that has only learned to obey laws of political correctness on the surface. I also register a slight trend over here that makes me fearful that all that has been accomplished could be turned back if the economic situation doesn’t remain stable. Mind you so far, the vast majority stands up against it.

  62. Judy75201 says:

    I think you deserve congratulations, Prof. Apparently you are a threat to the Zimmerman & family agenda of lie lie lie until it sounds like the truth.

    • cielo62 says:

      Claws out and ready. >^..^< Taafe, prepare to be shredded.

    • kimmi says:

      Speaking of lies, MOM seems to be flooding the potential jury pool with misinformation as well.

      Click Orlandao (WKMG) | VIDEO | Zimmerman timeline examined on ‘Flashpoint’


      Sorry if this is ‘old’ news, still trying to catch up.

      • leander22 says:

        kimmi, the “expert” has been alluded to before. But I am pleased that someone else does not seem to be able to get all the hints distributed here. The context was slightly different, it was a about a book on the case this expert wrote and concentration was on the shot on the last TV report. Someone here suggested he basically picked up on what the Professor has suggested at a much earlier time. That Trayvon’s clothes sweatshirt and hoodie suggested a contact shot but the wound didn’t. So there had to be a space between the shirt and the wound.

        It sent me back to old articles on the topic and ultimately it would take ages to pick up on everything discussed here in this context already.

        What the expert says in the end is a commonplace for anybody interested in this case. Ultimately also the basis why people choose sides. My side is Trayvon’s for many reasons. One of them the fact that all my life I met prejudiced people and in this context realized how very, very difficult it is to do anything that they do not consider proof of their suspicion. I have another problem in this context. I am also a very curious person. When I was followed, I always wanted to check if it was just my impression or if it was a fact. With a type like Fogen this elementary curiosity may in fact could be dangerous, combined with the first. Thus no, I wouldn’t put matters as “balanced as the guy” does in the end.

  63. esentrick says:


  64. Follow

    Do you mean he posted on this blog?

    If not, would you mind posting the entire comment?

    Thanks Prof.

    • That is the entire comment.

      • Good morning, Professor.

        The following came to me as I read a poem kind heart wrote on HP.

        George figured that he could commit a crime
        and he would not have to do any time.
        He thought his police buddies knew him so well
        they’d believe any story he would tell.

        To his surprise it did not turn out that way
        and it looks like prison is where he will stay.
        As he gets old and gray still behind that wall
        He will start to wish he never made that call.

        Justice for Trayvon Martin

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        That is quite a bundle of wrapped (warped) Salty Hater Taffy

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        He’s a real nowhere Man,
        Sitting in his Nowhere Land

      • Malisha says:

        Here is my translation of the Frank Taaffe Code:

        “My name is Taaffe.
        And this is what I’m going to say
        to show you that I am not shit:
        I am better than a lot of people.
        I am better than all Black people.
        I am better than anybody who sides with Black people
        who say that I am not better than them.
        I am better than anybody
        who doesn’t take a white man’s word
        over any Black man’s word
        in any argument or disagreement
        ever, in any way.
        I am better than anybody
        who thinks “due process” means
        that I have to listen to the other side
        if there is a Black lawyer on the other side.
        I am better than anybody
        who doesn’t believe what I saw,
        absolutely, the first time.
        And if I change it,
        they have to forget about that
        because I’m allowed to change it;
        I’m white.
        I’m entitled to respect.
        Because I’m white. Got it?
        If you don’t go along with that,
        you’re bad,
        you’re not entitled to respect.
        So automatically I win.
        I am better than any people
        who impose restrictions on me.
        They are doing something bad and wrongful
        because I am supposed to be believed,
        so when they say that
        I committed domestic violence,
        simply because I was trying to discipline
        people who were rightfully
        under my control and tutelage
        who were, nevertheless, misbehaving,
        they are believing lies and mischaracterizations
        of my natural authority and
        my natural role as the master.
        They should not have been allowed
        to restrain my conduct
        because I was trying to
        correct and rehabilitate
        people who were wrongdoers,
        people who were misbehaving.
        In this way I am a role model
        for this young man George.
        All he ever tried to do was
        to correct the wrongful behavior
        of ne’er-doers well.
        You can see that for yourself.
        Since he left our community,
        there have been thefts!
        Someone stole a big screen TV
        right here in my turf!
        Should the law discipline me
        simply for disciplining my family
        and simply for driving while
        I had short-term vision
        when it does not want to kill
        a few miscreants
        for stealing big-screen TVs and
        making decent people afraid?

        The law is all wrong
        unless it does what I want.
        You people are all wrong
        to fail to respect me as I deserve.
        Those who prosecute my friend George
        are all wrong.
        If George were allowed to kill
        a few more young Blacks,
        my neighborhood and the whole world
        would be better off.

        Remember that.
        Yours truly,
        Taaffe the expert
        on all that happens in the world.”

      • Malisha says:

        It occurs to me that someone like Taaffe really feels aggrieved that “we” are not allowed to discipline “our own niggras” however we choose. He belongs in a time and a place where that kind of attitude is not grossly out of step with the larger society around him. He doesn’t see that he is an anomaly because he doesn’t have enough intelligence to figure out inconsistencies and irrelevancies; he spouts nonsense as explanations and brings in idiotic comments as if they matter. Each time I read something he has written or see a video of him saying something I get this truly weirded-out feeling, as if:

        “Did he really say that?” He’s a caricature. Yet, if you stand anywhere in Florida and throw a stone, you will hit someone like Frank Taaffe.

      • What is also interesting is that he refers to you as a “shit stirrer”. If fogen’s story was factual with evidence backing it, there would be nothing to stir up. It seems quite obvious that there is much about this case that is brewing beneath the surface that they don’t want exposed……..but everyone here already seems to know that.

      • MelRoy says:

        I wouldn’t automatically assume it’s Frank Taaffe…

        • Xena says:


          I wouldn’t automatically assume it’s Frank Taaffe…

          That is why it’s important to provide the proper authorities with the IP address. If that is someone impersonating a person who is well-known in this case, then there is possibility of bringing a cyber-crime charge of misrepresentation by impersonation.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      The preceding article might have really bothered him…..hmm

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