Is Mark O’Mara Cutting His Losses and Heading for an Exit?

Thursday, January 31, 2013

Best wishes to all of you who live in the South and Midwest. A hellish storm peppered with tornadoes, thunderstorms, torrential rain and golf-ball sized hail passed through this large area as a cold front with temperatures below freezing danced with a dense area of warmer air from the gulf. I live in western Kentucky where the temperature now is 32 degrees. Tuesday afternoon and evening the temperature reached 70 degrees. Yesterday featured wild windstorms, rain, flooding and decreasing temperatures. That made for an interesting motorcycle ride to the store late yesterday afternoon. Fortunately, we are OK.

Seventy degree temperatures, large menacing black clouds punctuated with lightning, tornadoes and 40 degree temperature swings do not belong in January.

Or February.

I hope everyone is safe and in good spirits this morning.

Xena gets the credit for inspiring me to write this article about the $40 K that O’Mara spent to upgrade his office.

She said:

” The $40,000 of equipment and office space should be considered an asset to O’Mara’s firm. If I had a lawyer who charged me to expand and equip his office, I would first think that he isn’t prepared to take on my case. Also, if I had a lawyer who thought it was more important to thugify the person I’m charged with murdering rather than ALREADY getting experts lined up in ballistics and forensics, I would think he is not experienced in criminal defense.

IMO, what O’Mara and West are doing is trying to divert the murder 2 case into some other type of case that does not defend GZ at all but rather, makes excuses for him.”

This is my response:

When I worked on the Green River Killer case in Seattle (we had a team of 8 lawyers, 5 investigators, 20 experts and and numerous support staff), we hired a software firm to code over a million pages of discovery stored in an airplane hanger that the prosecution converted into electronic images using scanners. They also imaged over a million exhibits.

An electronic database filled with millions of images is worthless, unless you can search the database and find the information you need. In effect, you need to develop a cover sheet for each document or exhibit in the database and enter information on that cover sheet that tags the document or exhibit with search terms that you will subsequently use to find the cover sheet and its attached document. The process of tagging each document or exhibit is called coding the discovery.

The firm that we retained, hired a team of 36 lawyers who, for one reason or another were not practicing law. Retired, semi-retired and women on maternity leave made up the team. We provided the search terms and they tagged the documents and exhibits. The job took six months to complete.

The firm provided the software program we used to search that immense database. The whole case and the program to search it was stored on a server at their office. We accessed it through a secure internet-tunnel connection. They also provided a secure email program that we used to communicate with each other regarding the case.

My primary responsibilities were DNA and forensics. I also played a major role in developing our coding system.

Although our setup was likely substantially more sophisticated than whatever setup West, O’Mara and their 6 interns are using, I think they are doing something similar to what we did, but on a much smaller scale. The process is expensive, but necessary in big paper-intensive cases.

I question whether all of that high-tech stuff is really necessary in Trayvon’s case, but I understand why they would have decided to modernize the discovery-organization process by converting everything into an electronic searchable database of images. I would too, if I had the money.

O’Mara seems to be wasting an enormous amount of time running his mouth to the media and trying his case in the court of public opinion. He appears to be obsessively preoccupied with a racist right-wing-inspired snipe hunt for evidence of non-existing bad acts committed by Trayvon and his girlfriend, Dee Dee. Seems like almost everyday there is a new nonsensical rumor coming out of tree-house gang that winds him up tight and keeps him going and going like the Eveready Bunny.

I have no doubt that the snipe hunt is a waste of time and energy because the evidence he is searching for exists only in the fevered imaginations of creepy people like the client, the client’s family and their frantic supporters. They seem not to realize that each new phantasmagorical rumor is a distraction rather than an aid. Meanwhile, O’Mara seems oblivious to how stupid he looks when each new rumor fails to pan out.

He has had more than 6 months to find out if Trayvon Martin was an aggressive martial artist who liked to beat the crap out of other people for no apparent reason while uttering outdated ghetto slang from 20-year-old movies.

I keep asking myself when will he finally tire of playing the role of a subservient dog being wagged by its tail?

I am going to repeat something that I said in a comment yesterday:

“I think O’Mara is attempting to cut his losses and get out of this thing gracefully without screaming and running as fast as he can toward the exits with his hair on fire.

At this point, I think it would make more sense to close the account to prevent more people from basically being defrauded by having their money pay for unnecessary security and create fertilizer via the defendant’s alimentary canal instead of paying for needed defense services.

Yes, settle up with AIS, close the account, enter the IFP Order, let O’Mara and West out with an admonishment to run a few laps on the beads and go forth and sin no more, and appoint new counsel at public expense. Then set a new hearing in a week or two for confirmation of new counsel.

If the defendant demands security, send him to jail. He will be safe there. That should stop his complaining.

If he objects to the GPS device on the ground that he cannot afford it, revoke his bond and take him into custody. That should stop his complaining.”

595 Responses to Is Mark O’Mara Cutting His Losses and Heading for an Exit?

  1. blushedbrown says:


    Please check mail.

  2. Lonnie Starr says:

    He shouldn’t have bonded out in the first place, he has no business spending 95k on the luxury of being free for a few months until trial, when his need is to prove himself not guilty, if he’s to stay free forever. Clearly running short of funds can mean jail for life, he made his choice now he’s going to have to live with it.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I couldn’t agree with you more. the dummy not only bonded out of jail once but twice. is that something that is unique to the state of Florida? how could he have more than one chance of bonding out of jail?

  3. Digger says:

    If O’Mara, cuts and walks, George Zimmerman might as well pack his bag for prison. Save the money, no trial, no jury needed.

    • Maybe not digger. It will all depend on the jury. Sometimes they can be so unfair.
      A man in this area was convicted of killing an unarmed woman who was sitting in her car in a church parking lot.
      The jury recommended three years. The judge can lower that, but not increase it. Many of us are shaking our heads !

      Three years for killing this woman who was no threat to him at all!
      Incredible !

    • Rachael says:

      That is why I believe he is setting up this whole scenario.

  4. Rachael says:

    Another turd of wisdom from the outhouse:

    “How can george compete when there are NOBLE and NAACP operatives all over this case, from the SPD, to the FDLE, to the MSM, FBI, DOJ……..every entity involved except the treehouse and omaras law firm has black members of black organizations……even tracy martin was in a black masonic thing….those are half his connections to people who helped promote this case right there. and there came the naacp from that….and from that noble….and from that the POTUS.”

    Guess what? “They” are all over the place. Yes, black people are allowed to be seen in public in the USA these days. Get used to it.

    • Tzar says:

      delusions of grandeur anyone?

      He seems to be missing the simplest factoid, there is a dead kid who’s only crime was walking home.

    • racerrodig says:

      ““How can george compete when there are NOBLE and NAACP operatives all over this case, from the SPD, to the FDLE, to the MSM, FBI, DOJ……..”

      Holy Shit Batman… mean the Police and Department of Justice actually get involved in crime besides US !!! The FBI, what business do they have investigating crime….that’s it Batman, toss me that BatPhone, I’m calling Commissioner Gordon and putting a stop to this inequity !!

      NAACP operatives….Okay….

      “BaLack……Cheorge BaLack……Agent 009MM …..” Right…

      Do they collectively understand how preposterous they are. That GZ Lega website stated the the State has unlimited funds to break poor old Fogens balls with and he has nothing. Duhhhhhh then keep your unlawfully carried pistol home dork !!

    • Jun says:

      LOL Wow they are really scared of black people

      Such unnecessary paranoia of black people LOL

      Cant blame them… u know those NAACP ninjas know secret ghetto martial arts LOL

    • Malisha says:

      Wait, wait, this “turd of wisdom” is absolutely correct! Here is his (or her, because turds are unisex) plaintive wail, in another form:

      “How can a killer who expected to be excused on racist grounds alone possibly prevail, now that there are free, legally equal, enfranchised, educated, and un-intimidate-able African Americans all over this case and the rest of the justice system, and even in the police departments, and in State agencies even here in the South, and in the media, in the federal agencies including law enforcement agencies of the federal government, and in the Department of Justice…every entity involved except this bigot-racist blog and O’Mara’s law firm is run on the principle that African Americans are equal Americans and that the law will not discriminate against them. This has become so much a part of American life that, to our TreeHouse dismay, even the father of the victim, whom we regard as the unworthy father of a presumed thug, was permitted to participate in public life and to join a Masonic organization…. those “free Blacks” are half his connections to people who helped promote this case right there. And there came the fact that Black organizations were allowed to really gain a public forum, including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, which was opposed so violently and which rose to greatness in spite of all that armed opposition. And from that, NOBLE, and from that, we have reached a point at which a Black man has been elected President by both the popular vote AND the electoral college.

      Exactly right, Treeslummer: In this present state of American equality, constitutionality, and lawfulness, it is becoming impossible for a white (or even “white Hispanic”) man to get away with the deliberate murder of a Black youth in a jurisdiction that has a law against deliberate murder. How, then, can the defendant in the Trayvon Martin case hope to prevail?


      • racerrodig says:

        Holy Smokes !! Thank God he said he doesn’t live near us !!

      • PiranhaMom says:

        @ Malisha

        Just in case you or other students don’t know what NOBLE is, it’s the National Association of Black Law Enforcement (Executives) and was formed in 1976 for Black CEOs and Command-level officers of National, State and local agencies.

      • PiranhaMom says:

        @ Malisha –

        Sorry I goofed. NOBLE is National Organization (not Association) of Black Law Enforcement(Executives).

        Apologies all around.

  5. Xena says:

    1:40 p.m. CST. In Session is now talking about the recent motions in GZ’s case.

    • Rachael says:

      I don’t get that channel. Please give update when you can. Thanks.

      • Xena says:

        Essentially, the commentators said that the State must disclose discovery, but O’Mara is overreaching, trying to get the State to try the case during discovery and to conduct discovery for the defense, and also arguing the same matters before the court that the Judge has already told them how to resolve.

        I said it!!! February 5th is Trayvon’s day to shine in the courtroom.

      • Rachael says:

        So in other words, just his usual pre-hearing histrionics and drama.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Do they have medication for such “histrionics”?

      • Malisha says:

        O’Mara has nothing to work with. All he can pump out is hystrionics, so that’s what he’s doing. We all heard Judge Nelson say, go to FDLE and get whatever you want. We all know that O’Mara could have come into court in January on the day set aside for him to get any discovery problems handled. What he is doing is trying to make an excuse for the fact that the defense is not prepared for trial and not able to prepare for trial. But that is not because of money, not because of time, not because of any recalcitrance on the part of the prosecution.

        That is because there is nothing O’Mara can do to prepare for trial. He has a guilty defendant with no credible evidence on his side and he is facing a presumably aggressive prosecution with solid and irrefutable, uncontrovertible evidence on its side, and there is no possible way to prepare for that.

        It is as if you told me that I would have to go into a boxing ring and fight Mike Tyson in six months. I’d put in a motion saying I need more time to train, more money to hire good trainers, and even more money for doctors to figure out how to get me physically fit enough to do it. Then I’d have to ask for yet ANOTHER extension because I was not yet fit enough to do it. Then I’d have to ask for MORE TIME to get fit because I wasn’t yet able to do it. As this went on, I’d be aging, and getting less and less fit.

        There is no way out for Fogen. Time is NOT on his side. More time does mean one thing: It means he can stay out of prison for a longer period before he gets to trial. Also, I am still of the opinion that he is trying to get Shellie pregnant so his sentencing will look a little different and there will be someone to go boo hoo, poor lil baby won’t have his daddy around… 👿

  6. Malisha says:

    Something occurred to me about Trayvon’s cell phone. The police had it and THEY KNEW if in fact Trayvon tried to call 911 on 2/26/2012 to get help from the creepy guy. IF THAT DID HAPPEN and they had the cell phone maybe the “no battery power” was untrue and what they did was make sure that 911 call got erased. I put NOTHING past them. I would believe ANYTHING they might have done to make this case go away.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      But they can’t erase the T-Mobile records and those have already been released by Trayvon’s family. There’s no 911 call. But there’s some chance that all the fiddling with the phone prior to sending it to experts – why did that take almost a year? – might just have skewed some of the info OM is talking about, unless he’s just talking out his azz for the paying supporters.

      • Have you known him to speak from any other orifice?

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Not lately, MMP.

      • ladystclaire says:

        What if Trayvon did try to call 911 and it was then when Fogen knocked his phone out of his hand. I have read some where, that he did call 911. I’m telling you, the defense has done nothing but turn this case into a damn circus and, it’s past time for Judge Nelson to put on muzzle on him. Trayvon and his family deserve to have their day in court and, the June 13th date should be adhered to by this judge.

        The defense has been having it’s way for far too long and now it’s time for the victim and his family to have things go their way for a change. O’Mara agreed to the trial date and, I just knew they were going to pull this BS.

  7. trhuthseeker66 says:

    The treeslummers are crazie BDLR’s answer is spot on. There is nothing “wacky” about. He backs up allegations with facts and gives examples…WTF

  8. Tzar says:

    Zimmerman Legal Case @GZlegalCase

    Click to access prosecutors_obligation.pdf

      • FactsFirst says:

        WOW! I just read FDLE’S response and baby…. I aint no expert, but O’Money barking up the wrong “TREE F’n with the FDLE! I’m just saying… He stupid for that.. SMDH… @O’Mara, learn how to pick ya battles bruh..

      • Xena says:

        WOW! FDLE’s Memo is POWERFUL! So, O’Mara didn’t serve and notice them, although he wants the court to enter an order that involves FDLE. Neither did O’Mara serve and notice the witnesses, although he wants the HOMICIDE DEFENDANT to have their private information.

        • Tzar says:

          Is he just not asking to be called names unbecoming of an esquire?

        • blushedbrown says:


          FDLE dropped a bomb. O’mara forgets that just because he post a motion and gets the CTH panties all wet, that the parties he is addressing will not fire back and it will become public knowledge for us to gander at. We get to see the big virtual body and head shots that Bernie and Fdle are being given to O’mara and company.

          His client is down on the canvas, no matter how O’mara tries to help he only makes matters worse.

          • Xena says:

            First, I didn’t think that the State would file a reply to the motion for a continuance. Now I am happy that they did. When BDLR wrote that O’Mara’s reasons include that the amount of information on the internet takes him time, and that he (O’Mara) is a cause of that by putting up websites for the defendant, I shouted!!!

            Can we say that effectively, by O’Mara proceeding to appeal to donors and potential donors, he is sabotaging GZ’s case?

          • blushedbrown says:


            O’mara is becoming more and more ineffective. Does he really think by lombasting the State with paperwork, the charge will go away? It seems to me he is desparately trying to tie up the state with motions, delays, etc, so they will turn around and offer a plea deal just to make him and his client go away. That only happens in the movies.

            As to searching the internet for information, is he SERIOUS! He needs to have those interns scrubbing the actual files as we have done. He needs them to index the files so he can have some sort of organization over at his office. I don’t see why it is so hard.

            The case is strong against gz, at least make it look like you are providing a defense. GEEZ!

          • Xena says:


            As to searching the internet for information, is he SERIOUS!

            Because GZ is dependent on people to take care of his living expenses and in order to please them to continue sending him their money, he tells O’Mara what they want him to do. It’s the co-dependency he applied in his household with ShelLIE, only this time it is GZ who is totally dependent on others.

            Thus, O’Mara is not preparing for trial like a defense attorney but rather, like a Zidiot who handles their legal affairs by denigrating and threatening others in a family court matter.

          • racerrodig says:

            “O’mara is becoming more and more ineffective. Does he really think by lombasting the State with paperwork, the charge will go away? ”

            Remember O’ Mara is a divorce lawyer primarily. Having an ex-wife and knowing some others in that boat, that’s what Family Lawyers do !!! They throw all this he said, she said, we need the Ping Logs, there are no Dee Dee’s, there are 2 Dee Dee’s, and all sorts of preposterous shit to the point the other party packs up their tent and gives in.

            Now…..Note to O’ Mara……that won’t work here. I call tell you there is 0% chance the prosecution will say “F it !! Take the ‘Vette, leave the Canoli’s”

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Heh. 13 pages too. Fitting. *Twilight Zone music*

      • valeball says:

        Gosh…FDLE took OMara back to school…and so eloquently Why would FDLE give a “homicide defendant” witnesses’ private information. I thinks OMara got owned today. .

    • Jun says:

      Seriously, what is wrong with the guy?


      HE was told to go to FDLE and get whatever he wants for the case

      He was told that the state does not have to turn over anything from FBI and DOJ and they turned over whatever they could get

      Me thinks Nelson will just tell him to go to FBI and see what they can legally give him or is obligated to give him

      And lastly, where is Omara’s reciprocal?

    • I just read this document. There is no reference in it to the allegedly missing phone information from 2/26.

      It does document more sleazy behavior by MOM.

  9. SearchingMind says:

    @ Professor, PYorck, everyone

    Professor wrote:

    “I also want to know what’s up with the “missing” information from February 26th. PYorck mentioned last night that it may have been provided in its raw form, which may be unreadable by the untrained eye”.

    BDLR replies:

    “Defendant apparently wants the State to provide him with a roadmap of what the evidence shows and to connect the dots before depositions of certain witnesses are taken. The State is not
    required to do and will continue to comply with the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure”.


    Without diminishing the potency of the above iron-fist jab from Bernie, I am still wondering if his response adequately addresses the “missing information from February 26th”. What are your thoughts?

  10. Jun says:

    I wonder if Fogenhats the 3rd will cry at trial

    I guess he gets to finally feel what impending doom feels like, much like the treatment he gave to that kid, Trayvon

  11. Rachael says:

    I’m still trying to figure out the cell phone stuff. What does anyone make of this:

    • Jun says:

      Lets just wait until we hear from the state regarding it during court

      You can never trust what Omara lets out because he twists everything from the actual truth, as seen thus far

      They are either analyzing the data still, or perhaps there is nothing there and something caused all the files to delete for that date

      Those are the only logical explanations

      The least logical explanation is that Fogenhats did something to the phone that caused the deletion of files

      The SIM card is what would match the phone numbers for the records that have already been presented, along with the serial number that would have read with the signal

      There was also issues with reception that Deedee spoke of, so perhaps that could have been a factor

      We wont know until the state explains it

      • We have no choice except to wait until the Tuesday court hearing, because neither BDLR nor the FDLE have responded in writing regarding O’Mara’s claim about the “missing” GPS phone data for 2/26.

        My best guess now, given MOM’s characterization of the data that was retrieved by CelleBrite, the New Jersey company that specializes in retrieving information form cell phones, as “an enormous amount of additional information” (i.e., additional to the information obtained by FDLE and a California LE agency), is that that information annihilates the defendant’s narrative of what happened.

        In other words, Game, Set, Match!

        Assuming I am right, that would be a rather brilliant strategic move by BDLR to put MOM in a position where he publicly demands to know something that BDLR will now reveal in open court on Tuesday, thoroughly demolishing the defense.

        The defense may need to have an ambulance standing by at the ready.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Ha, what a strategy that would be!

        MOM wanting the info so badly, and then BDLR smiling and handing MOM then info that nails gz! Whew.

        MOM should have stop singing for it:

        Everybody tells me
        I’m wrong to want *it* so badly
        But there’s a force driving me on
        I follow it gladly

        Bend me, shape me, anyway you want me
        Long as you *give it to* me, it’s all right
        Bend me, shape me, anyway you want me.

      • Rachael says:

        Ahhh, this is gonna be good!!!

  12. SearchingMind says:


    “Defendant objects to the State taking a formalistic approach to their discovery responses, both in their specific discovery filing, and in their position taken with regard to informal discovery. The state has previously attempted to inform Defense Counsel of certain information during ‘informal discovery’ only to have the statement taken out of context and/or misstated in motions and arguments” – BDLR.

    There are two words that sum up Bernie’s description of O’Mara: untrustworthy and dishonest. When someone cannot be trusted to tell the truth, you get formalistic with him: everything on paper; in accordance with specific rules of procedures; no words whispered and/or exchanged in private, etc. That’s how bad O’Mara’s character has poisoned what ought to be a very cordial, professional relationship between colleagues/equals. BTW, this is the same O’Mara that accuses his colleague Crump of serious crimes – without any shred of evidence.

  13. colin black says:

    Can you beleive the nerve of foggen an his lost boys peter pan crew.

    We need more time to prepare for trial.
    As remember we had to spend an inordanate amount of time dealing with that bail revokeing buisness.
    You know when my client lied to the court through his poxy wife ..I mean by proxy through his wife..

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Fogen and Shellie tossed a lot of money and time down the tubes with that shenanigan. I liked OM a lot better back when he was publicly honest about that rot.

    • As with all of his miseries, the Zman has only himself to blame.

      Any complaint about lack of money should draw a comment about the $100 grand that went to a bail bondsman because the defendant and his wife lied to the Court about their funds.

      Any complaint about being pressed for time and needing a continuance should draw a comment that the multiple month delay last summer was caused by the defendant and his wife lying to the Court about their funds.

      They should hand out specially made yellow neon stop-whining signs to everyone in the courtroom so that every time MOM starts whining, people can raise their signs and wave them.

      I visualize a scoreboard behind Judge Nelson that lights up “E-MOM.”

      As in baseball, MOM gets three strikes.

      On strike 3, Judge Nelson pushes a button and a trap door opens up in the floor beneath his feet.

      Poof! He be gone.

      As in the old Chutes-and-Ladders game, he ends up in booking at the Seminole County Jail for an evening stay.

      And now back to our regularly scheduled program.

      • Eric says:

        I have a question about sealed evidence. In your experience is it, the evidence, something crushing or just meaningless things neither side wants floating around?

        • There is no reason to seal meaningless evidence.

          There are legitimate reasons to seal information from public disclosure such as classified information, on-going police investigations, grand jury investigations and proceedings, informant identities, civilian witness identities, attorney work-product and other privileged information.

          Florida’s Sunshine law generally requires public disclosure before trial of the information that the prosecution is required to disclose to the defendant. However, there are exceptions that include the ones I mentioned. In this case the prosecution releases evidence to the defense, the defense reviews it and tells the prosecutor whether it wants anything withheld from public disclosure.

          The judge reviews objections by either or both sides to public disclosure and issues a ruling.

          Evidence that either or both sides object to being released is filed under seal pending the judge’s decision.

          The judge’s decision is controlled by the Sunshine Law.

      • blushedbrown says:


        Excellent post. I actually saw O’mara falling when the chute opened. Hilarious! Thanks for the visual!

      • Jun says:

        LOL It would be copasetic if court was like Apollo in Harlem

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Good one, Prof!

      • ladystclaire says:

        I agree with you professor, he has bought and paid for everything that’s going to befall him. if only he had been minding his own business and leaving Trayvon alone, he wouldn’t be in this mess today. I for one have no sympathy for him at all because, one does not execute a kid that’s not bothering you and then lie about your criminal deed being self defense.

        These people still can’t grasp the fact that there was none of Fogen’s DNA on or about Trayvon’s hands. so therefore, how could it be any way remotely possible that Trayvon beat this POS to within an inch of his miserable life, it didn’t happen!

      • cielo62 says:

        Dang, who KNEW you have such an incredible sense of humor!!  🙂

  14. Tzar says:

    There is such poetic symmetry and justice in this case already.
    Just as the killer has managed to beg millions for money and for the disturbance of the victim by his supporters (hacking emails and accounts), he’s also managed to beg for the attention of justice seekers all over the web, they are analyzing info and synthesizing data as fast as it becomes available (I watched all the hearings except for the first and knew when O’mara was lying because of he work of so many, I was completely immunized to his bullshit) . Now Even the prosecution can’t miss any detail even if they wanted to, because they can be damn sure that we will be there to call them on it publicly and to protest.

  15. rayvenwolf says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but according to an outhouse member BDLR’s response is “wacky”

    • rayvenwolf says:

      damn keyboard. Yes its mighty wacky to expect the otherside to do their job and keep the ball moving. I mean why shouldn’t the state agree to a delay? Afterall team Zit has more bullsptting to do and more sheep to try and fleece.

    • blushedbrown says:


      I see Bernie did cite one of my post about if they didn’t lie at the first bond hearing they would have more money.

      paragraph 21 on page 4 (a)

      Go Bernie!!

      • rayvenwolf says:

        yup, noticed that as well. Bernie is no fool.

        • blushedbrown says:


          To think he asked Bernie what did he think about an extension till November. The nerve of O’mara! I think if it was maybe a three month extension Bernie would of agreed. But bernie, said “No way dude”, we are proceeding.

          Good on Bernie.

          • rayvenwolf says:

            O’money has some stones on him. too bad he doesn’t use them when he needs to – ie controlling his client. Now that I think about it, I think this was just a ploy to get more than the 5k they have already gotten since coming out again claiming they are broke. When this motion fails, O’money is going to play on the sympathy and stupidity of supporters even more. After all the state is so big bad and well funded while dear POOR GZ is left to flounder with the clock ticking down.

          • blushedbrown says:


            The judge is going to look at the numbers and say hmmm, I see here you started with $314, 000 and some change. And you want me to a) continue the case, so you can aquire more funds b) demand the state that they present your case c) let ole georgie not be without gps, because you have no gps on Trayvon’s phone and d) the CTH believes their is no deedee, sorry two deedee’s. Ok Counselor I have reviewed your motion. DENIED!

          • rayvenwolf says:

            I swear its like O’mara isn’t thinking to life AGZ(after gz). Does he not think that potential future clients aren’t seeing how his dog and pony show is not working to his client’s advantage?

          • blushedbrown says:


            He is sucked into the vortex of GZ.

            I truly wonder about the mentality in Florida.

          • rayvenwolf says:

            If I didn’t have friends down there and a dog breeder I am close to I would say its the water. I’m just gonna stick with Florida attracting the stupid en mass.

          • blushedbrown says:


            have family there also, I think its the water in certain locations. 🙂

          • Gatorpiss…..not to be confused with Gatoraide…..could be the cause of the mental defects in Fla.

          • blushedbrown says:


            I just love your one liners!!

      • FactsFirst says:

        So basicly Bernie told MOM to GTFOHWTBS! LOL! Its like my Mama used to say “Thats what you get for sh!ting in the road then blaming it on the dog”

        • blushedbrown says:


          YES! that is exactly went he meant! Bernie has had his fill of O’mara tactics. He does not appreciate that little backstabbing number that O’mara likes to do, like include conversations that they have in a hallway, that lawyers have about a case. I think they are called “gentlemen’s agreement” and then he uses those conversations in his motions. That really ticked Bernie off!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        O’Mara deserves a client that is up to his knees in alligator lies.

      • looneydoone says:

        Ever read an Ellmore Leonard novel ? He writes about Florida, the characters who live there, and the shenanigans . It’s said to be fictional, but I’m not at all certain there’s not a lot of “truthiness” in what he writes.

    • Jun says:

      I like it

      Bernie is basically telling them to get to work and stop dilly dallying

    • thanks for posting this, i just read it!
      and yes, to me it sounds like BLDR is tired of these games really.

      and it’s time the judge should put the defense on a shorter leash, it’s time to get tough on them and stop the bullshit playing the media and filing the same shit over and over agian.

      @BB, yeah seriously? omar wants to act like the former judge gz lied to has somehow cost them 100s of wasted hours working on getting gz out of jail for lying to him!LOL
      no, this BS isn’t lost on BDLR, nor will Nelson fall for it.. i think she has been pretty rigid in her orders and responses to omar’s BS.
      Dear Judge Nelson, PLEASE DON’T BEND NOW!

    • Rachael says:

      I see nothing “wacky” about it. Anyone with any reading comprehensive skills and knowledge about what has been going on should be able to see it as quite spot on. It is clear, concise and says what I have been saying for the last day – that MOM and his trying of the case in the media is making a mockery of our legal system and obviously BDLR thinks so too and wants it, as I think we all do, to stop.

      What is “wacky” about that?

  16. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Too bad O’Mara is representing a person who has a history of being a liar, bully and thug.

  17. colin black says:

    @ tossing the caber
    Cant give any personal info on techniqe thats a strong man event in the Highland Games.
    Basicly you have to run with a log /tree trunk .
    Hold it in both hands balanced against body
    Start running an then throw it end over end
    A good throw is to get it to land a twelve oclock like a 12 on a clock face ie vertical.

    An so a close to perfect would be one min to or past twelve
    A poor throw would be three oclock or landing the log on the spectaters

    • PiranhaMom says:


      Ooooh, friend, the vids were loverly. It appears that to throw Zimm “under the bus” he needs to be first squashed into a long cylindrical shape (the caber in the videos did look to be 300 lbs.) then we have to find a mighty Scot to toss him.

      Well, if there’s an accusation that poor Zimm has been so thrown, ought to be easy to identify the culprit, nooooo?

      A brawny lad in a kilt throwin’ objects

      towards a bus ought to be easy to spot in Amerrica, nooo? Culprit would be snapped up immediately, right?

      Not likely to melt right back into the crowd.

      So to defend GZ while he’s out on his million dollar bond, but no longer provided White House level security guardians, let’s just all be on the lookout for those brawny highlanders, right? In trews OR kilt.

      We all agree GZ deserves his fair day in court. It’s gettin’ him there seems to be the problem these days. Any further delay, he may need to be rolled.

  18. colin black says:

    “George’s Depression and Weight Gain: How Can you Help?
    « on: Today at 05:42:09 AM »
    O’Mara on the wESH tv interview with O’Mara Last night: He said george is much heavier than last time, he’s gained over 100 pounds since his last release on bail.
    He is housebound, can’t get a job and has the threat of a double digit sentence hanging over him. I think that’s very sad. My suggestion to cheer him up: Send him $5. We all waste that amount on things we don’t really need every day. Stick in an envelope and mail to him. Reading the media, he doesn’t see that anyone but the TreeHouse is standing by his right to a fair trial. Those envelopes may help him realize that not everyone has thrown him under the bus. It may make him feel better and eat lest It’s certainly a worthy expenditure. Weight is much harder to take off than put on.”

    Jeralyn doesn’t seem to know it, but she’s got quite a few posters who also post at the Treestump, sometimes under the same names.


    foggen doesnt want to enter prison as a fresh meat pretty easy to lay boy.

    Doesnt matter how much weight you gain foggen there are chubby chasers in jail just like outside.

    Some inmate will love to have you as his personal bouncy castle.

    • Bouncy castle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOOL are you trying to kill me this morning!!!!!!!OLOL i just choked up my coffee! i coulda drowned!!!LOLOLO
      this is the funniest shit i’ve ever heard!!! bouncy castle!!!LOLO

  19. boyd says:

    Great Site! I spent some time jousting with the treehouse. A bunch of kooks. I was hoping we could get this trila over with but MOM wants to keep it going forever it seems. Makes no sense.

  20. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Let’s consider Trayvon’s school suspensions.
    None of them involved serious problems.

    He was never suspended for disrupting a class.

    He was never suspended for being rude, disorderly or disrespectful.

    He was never suspended for being belligerent or violent.

    He was never suspended for bullying.

    He was never suspended for fighting.

    As Serino said, Trayvon was a “mild mannered kid.”

    • Jun says:

      You can even tell by the recent foto that Omara claims is brand new, when we have all seen it

      Trayvon just looks like a regular kid, a teenager

      • Rachael says:

        Looks like a normal regular teenager to me. I know he “says” that he is only trying to show it because he DOES look like a teenager, now the 12-year-old kid they were showing previously, but somehow, I get the feeling he is trying to do it in a sinister manner. Like not so much this is a typical teenager, but this is a BLACK teenager, therefore an evil thug. Otherwise, what really is the point?

        He says that he just thinks people should know this is what he looked like, not like the 12-year-old kid. But if he is not trying this case in the media, what does he care? Why doesn’t he just STFU? I mean in some ways, it is better that he doesn’t, because he just makes himself look like an idiot. Okay, so Trayvon looked like a teenager because he was a teenager. So what? What does that have to do with GZ shooting him?

        Again, if he is not trying his case in the media, in public, why does he care what people think?

        Again he is making a mockery of the legal system. Just shut up and keep it in the courthouse.


      • truthseeker66 says:

        Judge Nelson needs to issue a gag order. MOM is out of control.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        OM continues to play to the paying supporters.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Yep, he wants those racists and gun nuts to support gz. Take a look at this gz supporter commenting at MSNBC newsvine:

        • I’ll bet ol sir george is a “flat earther” too

          Again…..Why I need to stay away from there……..

          Did get a chance to say HI to CJ though 🙂

        • cielo62 says:

          YAHTC~ The “goodguy” idjit is just frightening!


          • racerrodig says:

            Oh he’s a real prince all right. Here’s a quote from him which says it all.

            “I’m also quite the nice guy as long as I’m dealing with family, friends, and those I agree with. Anyone else can go to hell and I’ve never made any secret of that.If hitler were alive today he’d seem me as an underachiever as he tried to exterminate a race and I have no such Ambition. I believe killing people……..”

            Like he actually has “friends” Note to Zidiot GoodGuy.

            A) Hitler is with a capital “H”
            B) Anyone who claims to be a “good guy” and talks like that is really trying to sell some bull……really !!
            C) There are probably about 6 racist’s that live near you that qualify as “…those I agree with…” and we thank God it’s only about 6.

      • Jun says:

        There’s a lot of suckers out there

        But that is exactly who the KKK play to

        In fact, the KKK was invented by the higher class evil, to divide and conquer

        They do those things to cause war amongst people and the ones who make it out are sitting on top, while the rest fight for crumbs

        Omara is parlaying to this community because he knows how easily brainwashed they are

        I’m still surprised in this day and age there are people who still give money to Fogenhats and Omara

        There’s no mathematical justification for their spending and in fact, when cops arrest you, they state that if you cant afford an attorney, one will be provided for you…


        their claims of needing some huge surmount of money, even though so obviously unnecessary, is nothing more than to line up Omara’s pockets, and if they were intelligent, they would see that


        I dont see that happening considering their statements and comments are all about caca and blacks, yadda yadda

        • Xena says:


          In fact, the KKK was invented by the higher class evil, to divide and conquer

          Then that includes some of the treeslummers, because they sure sent comments via my blog in effort to convince me that theJBMission, Frederick Leatherman, and BigBoi were all criminals, liars, and other defamatory reasons. One even disparaged LLMPapa for supporting the guilt of Casey Anthony, but being a “traitor” to GZ.

          It reminded me of playground bullying.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Truthseeker66, I’ve been saying that this judge needs to place a gag order on O’haha. she should have done so when the defense requested one a couple of months ago. I just can’t imagine why she denied the state’s motion in the first place because, he has been rying this case in the media every since he told the lie that it wouldn’t be tried in the media.

        He is begging for money and at the same time he is tainting a possible jury pool and, that is his soul mission.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Wowsers, YAHTC – that’s quite racist. Proud of themselves too. Yikes.

      • Malisha says:

        Sure, a guy like “goodnufl” or whatever his name was will work through the use of money to get minorities out of his way and return to lily white control of neighborhoods, plantations, whatever. Here’s the problem, though: A guy like Fogen has no money and therefore can’t buy up people’s homes and evict them. So he has to deal with his feelings of impotence some other way, say, like taking his wifey’s little gun and going out to shoot some “suspect” and trying to get away with it. And begging guys like “goodnufl” for money to buy toilet paper.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Being tardy multiple times used to be handled by schools through a parent conference and a requirement of student make-up time (eg. no recess or after school detention, etc.)

      Graffiti offenses used to require the student to clean it up or extra school assignments or after school detention.

    • aussie says:

      He had a secret double suspension, don’t forget.

      Source: Nuthouse

      • cielo62 says:

        aussie~ IIRC, I suggest he had the “Double Secret Porbation”, quoting from Animal House. If someone stole it and took it over there, they didn’t give me credit! 

    • Kelly Payne says:

      He was suspended for the usual silly stuff teens do meanly cutting class he wrote wtf on a locker as a prank.he might have tried weed once empty baggie.he was not known for starting trouble with people. he would defend himself is he had to but it is said he didn’t like to fight.he would it avoid if possible

  21. Jun says:

    Okay I found another contradiction within Omara’s pool of lies

    He claims he did not get the information from the state of Deedee aka w8 yet…

    He claims he knows she was 18 not 16

    Okay, so how is he sure of that 18 or 16 age thing, when he claims he does not have the authentic information of w8?


    Sherlock Homeboy has caught him again LOL

    • Trained Observer says:

      DeeDee isn’t on trial, so why is O’Mara making a deal of her age? To confuse and distract, I’d surmise.

      Is he hinting that she might perjure herself like the Fogen Missus? Or that standards for testimony of an adult differ from than that of a minor? Or that Trayvon was having an “adult relationship” with, OMG, an “older” woman? Or what?

      Trayvon was just a couple of weeks beyond age 16 when he needlessly died. And as of next week, he’d be 18 had he not been coldly shot dead.

      No reason not to think DeeDee fits into the same time-frame, age-wise. And certainly no reason to cast dispersion on a witness the Fogen clearly hadn’t counted on when he decided to shoot first and make up a story to cover up his crime later.

      • Jun says:

        Her age is not truly relevant but give me props, I pointed out a contradiction from Omara =)

        Anyways, I think he’s lying

        I am fairly sure Deedee is 16 but there is no way for me to know since her identity is protected by the state

      • Cercando Luce says:

        She told BdlR that they were in kindergarten together, no? A 2-year age gap is unlikely

      • Kelly Payne says:

        The 18year old Dee Dee is the wrong Dee Dee. The real Dee Dee no one knows who she is or her twitter name. the 18 year old Dee Dee is the one the tree nutters were trying to intimidate. Till they found out she was the wrong one.

      • sdunn5 says:

        Kelly Payne you nailed it on the age of DD. I have my doubts about the age and JD of Oh’mara and West. I see the documents and “motions”… “Suspicious”!!!!

    • leander22 says:

      Okay, so how is he sure of that 18 or 16 age thing, when he claims he does not have the authentic information of w8?

      BDLR alluded to it during the second to last hearing with judge Nelson. Legally this means that she has less protection than a juvenile. So there may be issues involved that escape me. But that is not the point now.

      I do not know how this mistake occurred, but it may have been simply an assumption. Girls tend to be slightly younger then their boyfriends, it is some type of standards. I had many younger friends at DeeDee’s age, since it wasn’t my main concern ever to get married, where the standard used to surface most prominently, maybe it still does. I choose friends based on shared interests they could be both older but with 18 tended to be same age or younger with the occasional exception.

      One general point though. Defense now has a strategic advantage, they can pick out these little errors or mistakes in media strategy to hammer in their basic talking point in: The scheme Team tricked the American people. The scheme Team obviously mean Benjamin Crump, his colleagues, Julison communications and the family. The basic assumption is Fogen wouldn’t have been in trouble otherwise. That’s were a counter strategy should start. Not too easy.

      • leander22 says:

        That’s were a counter strategy should start. Not too easy.

        this may well be the reason, why I was very, very much against scapegoating Serino….

      • leander22 says:

        Girls tend to be slightly younger then their boyfriends

        Maybe they tried to avoid it, feeling it could signal Trayvon was more mature than his age suggests. From the top of my head.

      • Eric says:

        The defense has no advantage. The timeline, the geography, forensics, and conflicting stories from GZ has rendered O’mara’s defense of Gz almost impossible, which is why he is trying to slow things down with silly motions, and waving pictures around. O’mara should be afraid with the facts he cannot get around as opposed to testimony from DD.

      • your just assuming Omar is telling the truth. i mean just because HE says DD was 18 at the time doesn’t make it true, much less says the state or Ben Crump or media made a mistake.
        omar blatantly lies and twists the facts to suit his agenda.

        i’m just saying be careful giving omar the benefit of the doubt as he writes these motions.. apparently he can lie on them and gets away with it in court, and manages to continue to skew the public’s views by doing it.

  22. groans says:

    Professor, you got me reminiscing!

    Back in the day, as they say, I was responsible for document management in a civil antitrust case involving several parties, hundreds of documents, dozens of depositions and associated exhibits and summaries, our collection of several years’ worth of weekly food section ads from regional newspapers, and who could remember what all else.

    But it was 1985, and we didn’t have PCs or software. We were a small team in a relatively small law firm. We did have dictaphones, but only the secretaries knew how to use our mysterious “computers,” which ran only WordPerfect anyway. So we did our document management the old tried-and-true way: Using rows of boxes filled with gazillions of labeled file folders holding the documents and our notes, with indexes taped to the front of each box!

    But a co-defendant (a competitor – not a friend in real life, but cooly cordial due to being similarly situated in the lawsuit) had hired a huge law firm. And I was amazed that they could “scan” documents and depositions into their computer system, and then do something called “word searches”!! And it was oh, so nice when they would share those with us. Funny thing, though. It was our own tireless, painstaking “manual” work that ultimately led to the good (dare I say, better?) result for our client.

    So you don’t necessarily need the “latest and greatest” technology to get the result you want. Mostly, you need good thinking and a whole lot of hard work – actual lawyering work, which includes as much drudgery as excitement.

    The time for any flashy showbiz stuff is after you’ve EARNED it by achieving a legal resolution for your client.

    Ahhhh…. That was a few lifetimes ago – I haven’t reminisced about it in a long time!

    • Xena says:

      Hey groans, were you working during the real cut and paste era, when you literally cut a part out of one contract; took Scotch tape and rolled it so it was double-sided; taped it to another contract where the attorney wanted it; and then copied it, adjusting the copier so the line where it was pasted wouldn’t appear?

      How about the Panasonic 700m typewriter? I had two, once that had a disk drive and a little-bitty display screen on an arm. 🙂

      Wow. Talk about going back in time.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        reminds me of the xerox ‘memory writer’ circa 1986. yuk, yuk and another yuk for good measure. i worked for a large insurance company at the time writing/editing boring technical and policy/procedure manuals. was i ever glad to get my hands on my first dos based ‘computer’ with one whole meg of ram and 2 floppy disks.

        • Xena says:

          @fauxmccoy. Ahh yes, I remember the Xerox memory writer. The Panasonic 700m was its competition.

          i worked for a large insurance company at the time writing/editing boring technical and policy/procedure manuals. was i ever glad to get my hands on my first dos based ‘computer’ with one whole meg of ram and 2 floppy disks.

          Did they try to get you to use Edlin first? LOL!

          The IBM Display Write stand alone system was tops back in its day.

      • groans says:

        @Xena – Oh yes, I definitely recall the “cut and paste” era! Heck, it was a real art form! And even more pitifully, that was a really GOOD advancement – having a “Xerox” and being able to do that, rather than starting over from scratch! Ha ha ha!! It felt pretty darned delightful to toss out the onion skin!

        I hear ya … going back in time – all the changes are mind-boggling, and even I think “How did we do all that mess?!”

        But we’re only talking 30 years! Not that long, really (at least, not to me). It makes me wonder what the 20-somethings will have in 30 years that will make them look back on TODAY like it’s so familiar in their core, but yet humorously dinosaur-ish at the same time. 😆

        • Xena says:

          @groans. Haha. I’ve got you at about 15 yrs. — back to keypunch days.

          It makes me wonder what the 20-somethings will have in 30 years that will make them look back on TODAY like it’s so familiar in their core, but yet humorously dinosaur-ish at the same time. 😆

          I’ve seen those 20-somethings and what concerns me is that they don’t know the manual way of performing certain work. I mean, what did employers do in preparing payroll before payroll software programs? The same is true for accounting.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          It’ll probably be a very different future from what we’re used to now. Now if you want a pair of shoes or a belt, you go find a store that sells these things and look for what you want and purchase it. Bricks and mortar stores have to be very large to carry a wide selection of merchandise and realize economies of scale.

          But, did you know that with today’s mfg you are paying for product lines that either don’t sell or get lost in transit? Perhaps as much as 20 to 30% of the prices you pay are to cover these kinds of costs.

          Enter 3D printing. You’ll be able to surf the internet for that belt, find and download the data file to print it, then go to the corner coffee shop and print your new belt or shoes. You can print pots and pans in metal, or household items in plastic, fantasy castles for your children in paper or even Harry Potter figures for sale in your favorite book store etc., Merchantilism will go the way of the 17, 18 and 19th centuries. Google 3D printing.

      • Malisha says:

        I was doing the same thing, but I used to make adjunct 3X5 card files with key-words on them and give them i.d. numbers linked to the documents that were in the manila folders so that I could cross-reference them by different methods (by date, by key word, by references of other sorts, by names of parties, by key statements, etc.) at different times. Different “fields” of the index cards would carry different categories of information.

        We could spend hours finding something we wanted but we knew all along that (a) it was in there and (b) what it would do for the strategy of the case. Because the first step was always reading EVERYTHING. I’d generally make a second copy of every document and on that second copy, I’d underline or highlight or margin-note stuff I would need to consider later.

    • leander22 says:

      Funny thing, though. It was our own tireless, painstaking “manual” work that ultimately led to the good (dare I say, better?) result for our client.

      good point. Notice that the case Frederick alludes to has experts (lawyers) doing the tagging (if that was the term he uses). Maybe the interns, O’Mara seems to use are also on their way to get experts. But strictly it is a very good think to have used these people. Since while doing the work they may occasionally not stick religiously on the orders but communicate about what may deserve to be tagged too. 😉

      Without doubt it would be an enormous advantage to convert the documents into searchable files. I cannot imagine that during work a special thing comes up not considered so far.

      Maybe that is the time and effort spent all about? Not just image scans but text scans really or additionally.

      Would be interesting to know what special software they use.

  23. Jun says:

    I am not so sure Omara will just exit out

    From the looks of it, he is going to continue using advice from the Conservative Tinfoil Hat, Junior, and Fogenhats on the next move, which to this point consists of making up lies about Trayvon, Al Sharpton, whining about Bernie and the big bad Corey on what they are allegedly doing wrong, trying to stalk w8 but cant find anything on her, and then crying about Crump

    • Xena says:

      There are treeslummers who operate by intimidation and believe that if they can bully Trayvon’s parents, Rev. Sharpton, SA Corey, ASA BDLR, and all others seeking justice for Trayvon, that the State will dismiss the charge against GZ and, as they say, “set him free.”

      They are operating on their personal experiences of intimidating family members, boyfriends or girlfriends, to not show up in court or drop charges of assault or protective orders.

      Because O’Mara also practices in family cases, he is vulnerable to believing the bigotvoyant conspiracy theories of the Zidiots. But, this isn’t a divorce case, or one involving who gets child custody. This time also, he has a guilty client who wants to stick with all 5 of his inconsistent stories and not plea so he can negotiate a lesser sentence.

      GZ shall be found guilty of second degree murder, and he shall be sentenced to life in prison without parole. So it is decreed. So let it be.

      • I was a bully…..and still am to a degree….a bully that bullies bullies…….

      • Jun says:

        What’s more stupid is Omara crying about what the state has to hand over to them yet…

        Nelson already told them to go down to FDLE and ask for everything they need

        Which means… problem solved

        So why are they crying about the state again when they were given instructions to go to FDLE to get whatever they need LMAO

        What kind of lawyer is Omara because it is getting too easy to clean off the snake oil I get from him LOL

        • Xena says:


          So why are they crying about the state again when they were given instructions to go to FDLE to get whatever they need LMAO

          Well you see, it’s like this. They went to FDLE and found that FDLE has something that they won’t give to O’Mara. So, O’Mara wants the state to get it for him. The Feign Team is treating prosecutors like distributors of wholesalers. They must have learned that from GZ’s experience fencing stolen property on eBay.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Great one, Xena!

        • Xena says:

          @yahtc. Thank you. I know their playbook and the Zidiot bullies are cowards just like GZ. They want others to do their dirty work for them. That is true if it’s to attack a pro-justice for Trayvon blogger, or even in this case where they are using O’Mara to attack Trayvon, attorney Crump, DeeDee, BDLR and anyone else they want to intimidate.

      • Jun says:

        Omara seems to be either operating under Fogenhats or of his own volition, whereby the person simply blames everyone and everything else or whatever other excuse they can muster up

        Blah blah it is the state’s fault

        Blah blah it is the public’s fault for not donating to the defendant for stalking and killing a kid

        Blah blah it is Al Sharpton and the liberal media run by Jews’ fault

        Blah Blah it is the army of black racists

        blah blah the defendant is not racist

        blah blah only black people support Trayvon

        blah blah this picture of Trayvon does not look adult or scary at all

      • FactsFirst says:

        I was a bully…..and still am to a degree….a bully that bullies bullies…..

        @mountainmanpat ME TOO! I walked the bullied kids home and dared the BULLIES to step to me… I was the skinniest kid in the hood, but I was known in Detroit for kicking SPARKS offa bullies behinds…. NO LIE!

      • Malisha says:

        I love the bullies who bully bullies stories, although they really are the exception to the rule. Maybe MORESO because of that. When I was a kid my brother, 3 years older, was crippled by polio, and my family was one of three Jewish families in a small town in NJ. The breakdown was all white except for 3 Jewish families (only two with children) and two Black families (both with children) and it was a bigoted, ignorant little town. When I’d walk my brother to school (only 4 blocks) we’d encounter bullies about two, three times a month and I basically learned a few fighting techniques. Nobody would go totally nuts on us because then there would be discipline, since our mother was a teacher in the school we went to. But there were a few minor dust-ups and pile-ons; nosebleed/black eye/split lip level but not broken bone level.

        When I was in fourth grade my mom had me come into her third-grade classroom each day after school and tutor kids in reading. So I tutored a Black kid named David who was really big, strong and athletic, but had been “held back” in both second and third grade and couldn’t read and my mom was determined that he was going to both read and pass that year. So I tutored him and he got reading and he also got friendly and grateful and one morning he showed up at our doorstep before school and offered to walk my brother and me to school. He showed up every morning from then on. The next bullying incident went exactly like the TV show would have staged it: Kids swoop down yelling, “Christ-killers Christ-killers” and attack. My brother holds out one of his Canadian Crutches (at that time quite an innovation!) and yells, “Get away!” and I drop into a crouch and put down our books and make fists. Then neither my brother nor I have anything to do. David grabs one of the boys and literally THROWS him through the air and the other two start running so fast one of them loses his hat! When we were on the way home, we still saw that hat but it was all muddy. And nobody ever bothered us again but they stopped calling us “Christ-killers” and started calling us “N****r Lovers.”

        • Malisha:

          I do hope David grew up to be a fine young man….

          To me the bullies have always been the ones that lacked self esteem…OR it was their way of trying to be “cool” to impress their friends.

          Let me be the one to remove even more of their self esteem & “coolness”.

  24. Two sides to a story says:

    This is a post Jeralyn Merrit made today in the TalkLeft forum. I can understand her interest in the facts of the case as a defense attorney – but she seems to be a true-blue Fogenite despite many facts that lead to the conclusion that Fogen’s not exactly a truthful guy.

    “George’s Depression and Weight Gain: How Can you Help?
    « on: Today at 05:42:09 AM »
    O’Mara on the wESH tv interview with O’Mara Last night: He said george is much heavier than last time, he’s gained over 100 pounds since his last release on bail.
    He is housebound, can’t get a job and has the threat of a double digit sentence hanging over him. I think that’s very sad. My suggestion to cheer him up: Send him $5. We all waste that amount on things we don’t really need every day. Stick in an envelope and mail to him. Reading the media, he doesn’t see that anyone but the TreeHouse is standing by his right to a fair trial. Those envelopes may help him realize that not everyone has thrown him under the bus. It may make him feel better and eat lest It’s certainly a worthy expenditure. Weight is much harder to take off than put on.”

    Jeralyn doesn’t seem to know it, but she’s got quite a few posters who also post at the Treestump, sometimes under the same names.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Oh, PS. I also think Fogen a right to a fair trial, but I also think it’s time he declared indigence and got this show on the road. Clearly having a third of a million dollars could have made a huge difference in his legal case if the money had been applied there. Fogen killed a young man and threw himself under the bus.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Oh, and no, I don’t waste $5 on things I don’t need every day. Every cent of my money goes out for bills. No fancy manicures, no eating out, no eating for two, heh heh.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      He was fat in 2005 when he wasn’t housebound.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Now, he is using overeating as a comfort crutch to deal with having to live with himself.

        I am sure if he weren’t afraid of news reporters, he would be out and about.

    • whonoze says:

      “Jeralyn doesn’t seem to know it, but she’s got quite a few posters who also post at the Treestump, sometimes under the same names.”

      She knows.

      Just having looked at the TalkLeft forum where the clubhouse videos are discussed, it appears the Treehomies (Diwataman notably) post there in a more polite and reasoned tone than you would find at The Treehouse itself.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Oh, they all do. Debfromhell (what kinda name is that?) and several others are far more polite at TalkLeft! :} I’m pretty sure there are many others who use two different names.

        I’m all for compassion, but geez louise. Why do so many people get caught up in enabling Fogen?

    • Jun says:

      It is a load of crap

      I too believe he should get a fair trial so that there is no reasonable argument as to his guilt for targeting, stalking, and killing the kid, a kid that never attacked him or confronted him or posed any threat

      However, seeing the BS and lies he has said for what it is, is not divulging an operative against that right, it is simply being realistic

      Besides the kid deserves a fair trial too and I have yet to hear any sympathy from her regarding the death of a kid, and no matter what she believes, she should give him some benefit of the doubt that the kid is innocent, instead of jumping to a conclusion that the kid is guilty of nothing more than walking home with candy and ice tea

      and that is nonsense… I do not go out very much as I work at home, and I have not gained 100 pounds…

      Fogenats made the decision to harass and stalk that kid, and chase him down with a gun, and then confront him once he caught the kid, and attacked the kid, then killed the kid, while the kid screamed and pleaded for mercy

    • PiranhaMom says:

      @TwoSides –
      W/copy to Colin –

      Jeralyn really needs to address these two points:

      (1) GZ could easily be convicted of “inflicting great bodily harm” to a human being: himself, by knife & fork.

      (2) Nobody is interested in throwing GZ under the bus, for fear of conviction for felony assault against public transportation,and passengers thereon.

      This would be considered a terrorist attack on US citizens.

      On the other hand, one of today’s transport buses could readily make a molehill out of this mountain. Depends on the pitch. A tire could explode.

      As could GZ.

      Colin, could you give us some hints on tossing the caber?

    • rayvenwolf says:

      Hmmm send numb for brains money or pay my bills, buy groceries and take care of myself and my son. Ohh this one is a tough one. *rolls eyes* Even IF I thought he was innocent I still wouldn’t send him money. Its not ANYONE’S responsibility to pick up the tab for him. the courts have things in place for situations like this. I never sent my own flesh and blood money when he was locked up so I sure as shyte am not sending George one thin dime.

      I would however send him some flattened pennies. 😉

    • leander22 says:

      Jeralyn doesn’t seem to know it, but she’s got quite a few posters who also post at the Treestump, sometimes under the same names.

      I seriously doubt she doesn’t know. But I think she doesn’t want to be associated with them openly. Diwataman is connected with the treeshousers, and she she often links to his articles: Google, site: talkleft + Zimmerman + Diwataman

      Maybe Diwataman is one of the more intelligent people over there, nevertheless he seems to feel most comfortable over at the treehousers. He obviously shares their concern in this case. Does Jeralyn’s appreciation of his work suggest she shares his position? It feels it does. She simply does not to move all the way over to the lean watermelon and family slander stuff. She couldn’t afford to. While she surely appreciates “cleaned” versions of it, or facts from her perspective, the way Diwataman delivers them.

      My comment links to Frederick’s blog or even the mention of his name, where all deleted interestingly with one exception, where I committed a blunder. Now if I like it or not, I have as a result connected the name Leatherman with a blunder by myself. Everything else alluding to him disappeared swiftly.

      None of my comments contained anything violating her rules. At one point I started to make copies before I posted including save the link of comments, I realized she would delete, and checked it carefully after. …

      • leander22 says:

        Sorry, alway not so easy to proofread with these long links:

        and she she often links to his articles:

        Strictly I should shut up, her name still makes me mad quite a bit. I am on the web since 1984, still usenet mainly then. It was the first time EVER my comment were deleted. Not even in predominately conservative circles this has happened to me ever before. So, it can’t really have to do with me. But maybe with me not sharing the correct ideology in matters? From there on reflections get more murky. Outside: always on the side of the defendant. Which is not really a problem for me. My problem is this does not necessarily demand consent on the interpretation of case material.

        I try to make this my last note on Jeralyn. I know rage does not make a good read, if one has no talent for entertaining rants like Malisha.

  25. blushedbrown says:


    I think you may be right about the add, ptsd or whatever other letters that may ail the defendant. I think O’mara is going to use it.

    Check out video. about 4 minutes in he starts talking about his stress, his weight, yada yada boo hoo.

  26. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    One thing is for sure……gz and O’Mara are overwhelmed (and probably discouraged) by all the postings of Trayvon’s advocates here and at other sites.

  27. Rachael says:

    Mark O’Mara should be ashamed of himself for making such a mockery of our justice system.

  28. kimmi says:

    racerrodig says:
    January 31, 2013 at 7:29 pm
    I keep hearing from my Federal LE connections that there is something to crush him. I do know that the Fogen phone records will pose an insurmountable problem, one being the “…..officer he called before….” I say we are going to find calls to Taaffe, Osterman, and Smith and maybe one more just before and just after his NEN call.

    Any idea who it was that drove off rather quickly after the shooting?
    I remember reading someone drove off right after Fogen shot Trayvon. I haven’t seen any more information on who it was, or if LE ever found out who it was. Do you know what I am talking about? Sorry, no link.

    • seallison says:

      It shows in the clubhouse videos – I saw that on one of StateOfTheInternet YouTube videos when he analyzed the lights, etc..

  29. You all have thoughtful comments says:


    CC says she has been reading the leatherman blog

    Here is a message from CC that includes you:

    I’ve been following you guys over there, YAHTC. I just haven’t commented. All of you are doing so good, I don’t have anything to add except YEP!!

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      DOCJT also says she has been keeping up with the Leatherman blog!

    • ladystclaire says:

      @Kimmi, I believe it was Osterman who drove out of that complex like a bat out of hell. also, I hope your LE source is right about the feds and what ever it is that they have on his fat ass.

      His groupies seem to forget that he is also facing federal charges for his crime as well. this fat POS deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life for what he did.

      • kimmi says:

        Silly dog woke me up to go out…better than the alternative : )

        Thanks Lady! Funny (or weird?), I haven’t seen much regarding Osterman/whoever drove out of RTL so quickly after the murder of Trayvon. Strange not much info out regarding that and WHY.
        Does anyone have any information on what that was about?

        Actually, it is racerrodig who has the FDLE connections, not me.
        I’m rather new to wordpress, so I do not know how to shadow or indent a quote from another poster, so I simply copy it, so it kind of appears like the comment is mine. Sorry for the confusion.
        Does anyone have a link to learn how to indent/shade a quote?

  30. kimmi says:

    Could there be some truth to the earlier post regarding Trayvon’s cellphone? Seems the prosecution might be witholding some info-
    OR, is this MOM and his ‘misinformation tactics’ again?

    O’Mara: State unlocked trove of info from Trayvon’s cellphone

    “New court paperwork reveals that prosecutors have unlocked a great deal more information from Trayvon Martin’s cellphone, including satellite-tracking information that shows where it was in the days leading up to his shooting.

    But if it also lays out the teenager’s movements Feb. 26 — the day Trayvon was shot and killed by George Zimmerman — prosecutors have not released that to defense attorneys.”,0,4945051.story

    • PYorck says:

      We don’t know exactly what happened there. There is a chance that O’Mara is telling us only one side of the story. As far as I can see he doesn’t even allege anything illegal, just that the prosecution is inconveniencing him and he needs more time.

      This complete speculation, but I think one possibility is that it went like this:

      The prosecution has the phone examined and collects the relevant information. Then they give O’Mara access to the phone or a blob of raw data and tell him to find out the good bits on his own. He hates that because it costs time and money and they are playing games with him.

      • blushedbrown says:


        >>>>Then they give O’Mara access to the phone or a blob of raw data and tell him to find out the good bits on his own. He hates that because it costs time and money and they are playing games with him.

        I think you are right. O’mara wants the discovery in a nice neat file with arrows pointing to various data points saying this is bad this is good this is bad this is good.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        So isn’t he supposed to get phone info from FDLE? Recall how he whined about not getting info from the prosecution in the past and Nelson told him to go get it from the appropriate party. Maybe he’s posturing for the media again. Or not looking at the right info, as you suggest, PY.

      • Jun says:

        That sounds about right

        If the state does not hand him everything single little spec, Omara cries and whines

        If the state just narrows down what is relevant, Omara still whines and cries

        I do know that Omara is being ambiguous to rile up the Treefort about the ping logs LOL

        Until the forensics guy is finished, we wont know what is in it but I’d laugh if Trayvon took a pic of Fogenhats stalking him by car as he would be owning Fogenhats from heaven LOL

      • amsterdam1234 says:

        I think you are right. BdlR said something to that effect during the last hearing, “the defense wants us to do their job for them”.

      • Tzar says:

        if they uncovered brady material they had to give it to him

      • sdunn5 says:

        O’Mara is a lying piece of steaming hot shit!! He does not give any side of the story hence he must keep his “Vodka” Water Bottle close or he may sober up being paddled up the Appalachian Trail!!

    • Rachael says:

      Dang, I hate to admit it, but after reading that, it is everything the outhouse has been saying. I have a very difficult time believing this is not some “spin” by O’Mara though. I just do not trust the guy.

    • Seems very odd to me that no information for 2/26 was released.

      • Xena says:

        IMO, the prosecution may not have required that info because on 2/26/12 during the time relevant, they knew where Trayvon was via the 7-Eleven video and where his dead body laid.

      • roderick2012 says:

        Professor, on another message board someone speculated that the SIM card on cell phones update once daily at 12 midnight.

        Since the battery in Trayvon’s phone was dead around this time no GPS data was stored on his phone for the entire day of February 26, 2013.

      • Jun says:

        It is odd but I did the math, and Fogenhats is still screwed due to the body, his statements, and the shell casing, the witnesses, and the forensics, time and geography

      • amsterdam1234 says:

        The defense doesn’t appear to request that data in their motion for specific discovery. Could you comment on that?

      • Jun says:

        Perhaps they are afraid what it will show Omara LOL

        Considering the large amount of lies coming from Fogenhats, I can foresee that

      • aussie says:

        If there is any GPS or similar data in a phone, it would be stored in the phone’s memory AS IT HAPPENS, “Updating at midnight” might apply only to any data that is uploaded to the phone provider. But I am not aware of any such data or any such upload schemes.

        In fact it would put tremendous bandwidth strain on any system to do it that way. Cell towers are in constant contact with all phones that are within their range. (If you have a phone that displays location, you can watch the location change as you move around).

        So the sensible time to uploading any data is when it happens, in tiny increments, when the tower pings the phone anyway.

        However this isn’t relevant, as they were examining the actual phone itself, not phone company records. So it’s a matter of what was on the phone, not what it may have uploaded anywhere.

        Unless Trayvon DID take pictures of GZ, it’s all irrelevant. Location data is not needed unless it is accurate to within 5 feet. Other than that, we ALL KNOW where both of them were……..

    • Jun says:


      The ping logs

      I remember that

      I have had quite the chuckle regarding that

      My theory is the state is gonna pass over the info, if there is any, after they are done with it

      They already have the phone records to prove the incoming and outgoing phone calls

      I wonder what is within the Fogenhats the 3rd phone

      They should dig into that… I will guarantee if it is accurate, it is going to prove he is a liar

      Anyways, for the GPS tracking, there is about a 30 feet or more of error, so even if they do find anything, it is not going to be accurate, since the tracking is based on triangulation, so…

  31. Jun says:

    “One person who donated $1.00 included this message: “I’m sure every dollar helps and I wish I could do more – but I’m struggling to keep a roof over my head.” As we make decisions on how to best allocate funds, we are going to consider the value this dollar, and every dollar, had for the donor.”

    Okay, if this is real, a person feels the defendant gets to live in a hotel and eat for 30 people, rather than take care of the roof over his own head

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I’m sure his life has not been particularly lavish, outside the few weeks he lived in “heaven” and his ability to pay ahead on a few things like phone service. Though he is quite fortunate – or rather Shellie is fortunate – to have paid their debt off, since she’ll be bearing all that fallout when he goes to jail.

      Any donations to my 100k student loan debt, anyone? LOL!

      • Trained Observer says:

        Until/unless Mrs. Fogen’s perjury charge is resolved and/or her lawyer is working pro bono, her legal tab must be mounting. Realistically, she would do well to divorce Fogen to separate herself from liability on his many troubles to come both inside and outside the slammer.

    • sdunn5 says:

      Jun eat for 30 hehe well……when you have 30 user names ya got to keep them fed!!

  32. Jun says:

    “SECURITY — $56,100.00

    In the first months after Mr. Zimmerman’s arrest, his safety was an overriding concern. While direct specific threats were rare, the New Black Panther Party had placed a bounty on George, and criminals riddled a Sanford Police department vehicle parked at the entrance of George’s residence. Threats of death or extreme physical violence were easy to find online. George could not risk moving about in public without someone to protect him, and his biggest fear is (and continues to be) that someone would recognize him, follow him home, and then reveal his address online.

    The defense fund spent $40,000 for security in the three weeks following his July 5 release on bond. Additionally, the company that provided the security has filed a lawsuit against George, Shellie, and Mark O’Mara for an additional $27,000. George stopped using the firm in question shortly after the first three weeks.

    The Defense Fund continues to provide money for security. The money spent on a monthly basis is a small fraction of what it used to be (in fact the sum of the money spent on security since July is a fraction of what was spent in the first weeks). The primary goal for the security is to ensure that when George leaves his house, no one follows him home with the intent of revealing his location or causing him or his family great bodily harm.”

    Here are some more Omara lies

    Man there are a lot of suckers out there

  33. colin black says:

    foggen made an isulting slur against Trayvons Father an an as yet un named revrennd in either a text email ir instant message an foggen cant remember or recall anything about it.
    But The State has thease imflametrys messages of his phone to an as yet un named party or partus an more .
    At the momment they are under seal because they would undully predudice the defendant.

    Must be way bad considering they released the kissing molesting cousin info m o o.

    • rayvenwolf says:

      Well that cousin thing was really O’Mara dropping the ball. And according to the article I read referring to the texts Corey was quoted I believe saying the contents were highly offensive. Ballpark guess He dropped the n bomb more than once and probably some other “creative” bs.

  34. kimmi says:

    leander22 says:
    kimmi, i don’t think an email to Tracy, but an text message about Tracy (or Sabrina or both parents).

    You are alluding to the first bond hearing when BDLR questioned him after his misuse of an apology to Trayvon’s parents, correct? In the larger context BDLR asked him, had he told anyone of the officers that night that he felt sorry. Fogen shifted lightly uncomfortably responding first he hadn’t, then he had, and questioned more closely he did not remember the name of the officer he told it to. Finally BDLR dropped this allusion to his text meesage. So I always assumed it could be some verbal slur against either Sybrina and Tracy, or both.

    You are correct, Leander, I meant to say e-mail (or text) about Tracy.

    Although, IIRC, MOM did push to have Fogen’s cell records sealed due to something that could be taken negatively regarding his client.
    Sorry, I don’t have a link for that, but I’m pretty sure I remember MOM saying something to that effect.

    I can only imagine Fogen’s texts/communications before he thought anything was going to happen…which I agree,

    I am very sad, I will probably never see it. ,,

    MOM wants to see the Twitter and Facebook on Travon and DD, and inspect Trayvon’s cellphone, then why can’t we see all Fogen’s texts and e-mails as well? What’s fair is fair.

    IMO, those would be much more relevant to this case and him who is on trial, not the victim, who is now dead and cannot defend himself.

    • whonoze says:

      Apples and oranges. The prosecution has GZ’s phone records. We don’t get to see them. If by some miracle MOM did get access to DeeDee and Trayvon’s social media data, the judge could certainly seal that from public disclosure as well.

      • kimmi says:

        I guess I just don’t understand apples and oranges. Why can the defense dig dirt on the victim in this case, but then the prosecution is not entitled to do the same?

        I somewhat understand the part where if the defense opens the door on some information, then that, in turn, can open the door on the opposing party, but I just don’t understand how it all works.

        Can someone/Professor please help me understand this?
        It seems backwards to me. Perhaps Trial Basics 101?

  35. Trained Observer says:

    Especially if the interns (likely the ones on board with true technical savvy) are working for free. (Were I an intern, I’d hope to be toiling for a firm teaching me how to proceed on legal issues, not how to screw around and muck things up.

  36. Jun says:

    So let’s see

    Omara stated he needed 40,000 to equip his office

    and all he has done is slander Trayvon, his family, Crump, and look through his school records and try to get his twitter and facebook

    I am going out on a limb but I dont believe what he has done costs $40,000 LOL

    • racerrodig says:

      If he did, it must be one hell of a printer he bought.

      • Jun says:

        maybe equip office is Omara’s code for “brand new car for myself”

        he gets the slander info just by recycling Treefort theories LOL

      • Jun says:

        Imma be honest, I’d prolly do the same to Fogen, except pocket more money and then make up some crap to him, so I could keep it LMAO

        I’d be like

        “Yeah, Fogenhats the 3rd, this $100,000 is for my, um, office…”

        And then buy myself a new Benz =)

    • truthseeker66 says:

      What is the significance of his social media activity?

      • Jun says:

        there’s really no relevance, but he is the one that wants to go down that road so I guess Fogenhats’ Myspace comments regarding breaking the law, skipping on charges, and getting others to take the fall for criminal activity, and slandering mexicans will be used too than I guess

      • Xena says:


        What is the significance of his social media activity?

        Because they are bigotvoyants, they think that anywhere from the time he was born until the week he came to Sandford, that Trayvon posted on his Facebook and tweeted that on Sunday, February 26, 2012, between the hours of 6 p.m. and 7 p.m., he was going to find a White Hispanic guy following him in his truck, entice him to get out of his truck and follow him to a dark area where he could put a beat-down on him.

    • Cercando Luce says:

      PLUS 34-35000 in “legal costs” — that’d be insurance, gasoline, and a custom paint job.

  37. Jun says:

    All Omara has done is waste time… he’s not very professional IMO

    In about over a month, the state was ready for the trial

    In about close to a year, the defense claims it is not ready and this is all they have done

    1) Slander Trayvon in the media, and the efforts have tripled since his client got caught scheming the court

    2) Waste 3 months on finding out about a twitter and facebook of witness 8 or Trayvon

    3) Go through Trayvon’s school records for about 3 or 4 months

    4) Use recanted statements and selectively use evidence to present a different picture

    I am not a certified lawyer, but that is truly not a good job, and I dont know if it is another scheme to state he is ineffective counsel or whatever, by purposely screwing up the job. The second he got the job, he should have been going through everything, as the discovery came. He should have been ready in a New York Minute and up to speed by now.

    • Xena says:

      @Jun. Some years ago my friend in NC called to tell me that the police arrested him for assault. His parents bailed him out, but he was very upset. The alleged victim was a UPS delivery guy who alleged that my friend threw the package in his face. My friend was at work during the time this allegedly took place.

      He said that his brother referred him to the attorney he used for his divorce. I shouted — FORGET THAT. You need a criminal defense attorney.

      Two weeks later after a hearing, he called to tell me what happened. He did obtain a criminal defense attorney who had him, his brother, and a cousin stand while he asked the alleged victim if he could identify the person who assaulted him. The alleged victim could not. All of them are Chinese. The SA dismissed the case.

      Just goes to show that a good defense attorney gets to the bone of the matter and does not waste time nor money.

      • Jun says:

        Omara needs to take notes from that guy LOL

        Like seriously, the most ridiculous lawyer ever….

        using alleged facebooks to use as a weapon in court

        cut to the chase For God’s sake

        The other issue is his unusual obsession with w8 and Trayvon’s history, when all that is truly relevant is Feb 26, 2012… Trayvon had no connection whatsoever to the defendant, so there is no need to tie in loose ends there

        • Xena says:


          The other issue is his unusual obsession with w8 and Trayvon’s history, when all that is truly relevant is Feb 26, 2012… Trayvon had no connection whatsoever to the defendant, so there is no need to tie in loose ends there

          Yep. Rather than O’Mara being obsessed with DeeDee, he should be trying to figure out the DNA evidence that seals GZ’s coffin.

  38. SRA says:

    I know I am being dense here, but how could PTSD possibly be a defense for George or did he have PTSD BEFORE he shot Trayvon?.

    I was diagnosed with it 30 years ago and was treated very aggressively.. so I am OK..

    • whonoze says:

      The Z team is positing PTSD as the cause of his false statements, in an attempt to mitigate any conclusion that they show consciousness of guilt. You know, he’s not LYING, he just remembers it all wrong because of that wicked head-bashing, and being so scasred he was going to die, etc. etc. And did you know he has ADD?
      ** snort, guffaw **

      • SRA says:

        OK.. I get it.. The prosecution will make hash out of George. ER docs, trauma nurses would laugh GZ off the stand.

        If George had been hurt, he would have had a CT scan and 48 hours of observation in hospital.

        I am just flabbergasted that George or OMara think Americans are that stupid.

      • racerrodig says:

        “The Z team is posting PTSD as the cause of his false statements”

        I think we’d all like to see some factual medical support for that one. I think I’m safe in saying any alleged PTSD symptoms can be attributed to the fact he got caught in the murder of a minor who was just walking along, minding his own business, something FogenPhoole has an issue with.

      • Trained Observer says:

        If he thought it would help, Fogen would be claiming the heartbreak of psoriasis, which BTW tends to run in families.

        His claims on what happened are enough to give rational thinkers whooping cough … that would be a bad cough from whooping and snorting in laughter. .

      • Tzar says:

        well that a precedent the court is dying to set…what is wrong with these people? can’t they come up with anything constructive?

      • whonoze says:

        I should clarify:
        By ‘Z Team’ I meant his supporters on the Web, as this was specifically cited in a comment under the clubhouse cam video on YouTube. I was not referring to the Defense. AFAIK, MOM has not advanced the PTSD excuse. (Yet.)

      • Tzar says:

        I knew what you meant by Z team 🙂

      • Malisha says:

        PTSD doesn’t make you lie.

        UTFB does. [Un-Truthful Felonious Bullshit]

      • Jun says:

        I am guessing he also forgot that he organized the structuring of withdrawals and deposits of less than $10,000 and making a codeword for everything while on the phone and he also forgot he hid his passport because of PTSD

        Well if that is the case, I guess the head bashing must be false statements too because of PTSD, so no SYG for Fogenhats the 3rd

      • gblock says:

        “ER docs, trauma nurses would laugh GZ off the stand.”

        Wanna bet that the defense makes sure that no ER docs or nurses get onto the jury?

    • kimmi says:

      I certainly hope Fogen can’t claim PTSD from the shooting, his vitals were normal within minutes. If he claims PTSD for being prosecuted for it, I think Judge Nelson should say, too bad, so sad…get over it!

    • Malisha says:

      Not that it would be an excuse for shooting Trayvon Martin (that would be “not responsible by reason of insanity” or something) but that his having PTSD NOW makes him unable to cooperate in his own defense. See, he’s gonna say he’s so upsetted by all this terrible stuff like folks calling him a racist that he can’t think, he can’t function, he can’t work with his lawyer to make sure he gets a proper defense, he can’t concentrate. Watch. Some shrink will come in saying Fogen’s all effed-up-in-the-head because here he thought he was a great guy saving the world and all he did was kill somebody and now the whole world is conspiring to make him and his wifey feel bad! It ain’t fair! He can’t sleep and he can’t eat — oh well, make that he can’t sleep and he can’t sleep — and he can’t work on his defense and he needs time. 40 or 50 years. So please just send him $30,000 a month and don’t even TALK about a trial; it only gets him even more upset and that’s counterproductive.

      • Malisha says:

        Oh yeah, and he keeps putting his cell phone in the wrong damn pocket. GOLLY!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I almost spit my tea on the keyboard! LOL!

      • kimmi says:

        Oh my Malisha! That post is so good I hope the GZ camp isn’t reading this blog…they just may try to use that! I can see MOM with a straight face and the ‘teeth thing’ (ugh!) right now!

      • Jun says:

        LOL I can see that coming

        as funny as it sounds

        Fogenhats is pulling that same stuff but in small spurts

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Malisha, “Oh well make that he can’t sleep” LMAO on that one because we all know he is eating for two now days. the only thing that is wrong with his mind, is the fact that he is *THE VILLAGE IDIOT* AND A MURDERER AS WELL!

    • Jun says:


      Even if the court buys that line of crap

      PTSD means everything Fogenhats has stated is BS, so his claim of SYG is BS, so therefore its murder LOL

      • aussie says:

        PTSD is post-traumatic stress DISORDER. A long-term deep-seated DISORDER caused by a traumatic event, usually not surfacing until many years after the event.

        The minute or day or week after a traumatic event, you cannot have PTSD. You can just have plain ordinary normal SHOCK. (Which his vitals a few minutes later showed no signs of).

        He mentioned PTSD in the first interview with Serino, not explaining what he got it from. Just tossing it in to get sympathy. He mentioned “my psychologist” but again without specifying what that’s for, and so far no evidence he does actually have one.

        His records that we’ve seen don’t contain any medications for possible PTSD.

        His life history that we’ve seen evidence for also does not contain anything traumatic enough to cause PTSD, unless it was the supposed assault incident in which he apparently may have been the victim, n which case you’d really think he’d have added that to his litany of woes that make him deserving of sympathy and support.

        Further, PTSD is not a mental condition that prevents the sufferer from knowing the difference between right and wrong, nor does it manifest as paranoia (leaving aside possibly exaggerated fear of situations similar to the originating traumatic event).

        For example if he’d been severely traumatised by seeing a young black male walking in the rain, seeing Trayvon could have awakened that fear in him sufficiently to cause an abnormal emotional reaction.

        Well actually, that is what happened. The NORMAL reaction would have been to lock his doors and drive off at 100 mph, if this trauma-reminder had him shaking with irrational fear. To react to that fear with stalking and following and confronting the cause of it WAS an abnormal reaction.

        So I call BS on the PTSD.

  39. Rachael says:

    I found this posted by a turd at the outhouse, but I can’t find any documentation. Does anyone know anything about this:

    xxx says:

    January 31, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Latest Click Orlando nonsense.
    Tre Anthony • an hour ago

    The information recovered from Trayvon’s phone shows a VIDEO that TM made showing GZ trying to DETAIN him. The whole incident was caught on TM’s cell phone. And the GZ is not entitled to that evidence because it’s not exculpatory evidence. They sent the phone out to California where the manufacture could retrieve that data. O’Mara wants it but he can’t get it. So the prosecutor told him that his eyes may shine, his teeth may grit, but information from Trayvon’s phone he shall not get.

    • PYorck says:

      I am pretty sure that there is no known evidence of this.

      The cause of the dispute over the phone data could be interesting, but unfortunately we have so few details. Perhaps the response will contain some answers.

    • This sounds like tongue and cheek silliness from the poster.

    • Xena says:

      I highly doubt that Trayvon was using his cell phone to video GZ while he was also on the same phone with DeeDee. What would not surprise me, however, would be if he took a picture of GZ smirking and making threatening gestures in this truck. Trayvon may have also taken a photo of the license plates.

      Trayvon used a headset for his cell phone, and he was carrying the 7-Eleven bag with the iced tea in it. When GZ says “And he has something in his hand,” it could mean that Trayvon took his cell phone out of his pocket and took photos. “He’s got his hand in his waistband” can infer that Trayvon was putting his cell phone back in his pocket.

    • kimmi says:

      Can you imagine if the prosecution really did have such information on video? It could prove all of Fogen’s lies. Lock him up for life and throw away the key! SWEET Justice it would be!

      • racerrodig says:

        I keep hearing from my Federal LE connections that there is something to crush him. I do know that the Fogen phone records will pose an insurmountable problem, one being the “…..officer he called before….” I say we are going to find calls to Taaffe, Osterman, and Smith and maybe one more just before and just after his NEN call.

        • @Racerrodig:

          Happy New Year friend! You are missed on HP by me! I know you can’t divulge……….but I can only imagine what Fogen’s cell phone records show. Osterman, Taaffe, Smith and who knows who else? Just think? He made calls before, during and after. He was free for a long time before he was arrested, so can you imagine who contacted him and who he contacted?? (Wolfie by any chance)? This fool will never take a plea. He knows he is going down and it is going to be so nice to watch it!

        • Xena says:

          I keep hearing from my Federal LE connections that there is something to crush him.

          The should move his trial out of Florida to somewhere in the Midwest. At over 300 lbs, crushing him close to water might cause a tsunami.

      • looneydoone says:

        I want gz and his co-conspirators ground into bonemeal.
        I hope those phone records are devastating for gz and his krewe

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Oh, Xena, 😆

      • ladystclaire says:

        @DGM, they have really been letting the shit fly over at HP since this last bit of mess from the defense. some of the comments shouldn’t be allowed to be posted but, AOL just don’t care. it’s as if this kid didn’t leave a very loving and caring family behind here. these people make me so damn sick to the point that I wish I could relocate to another country.

        This kind of behavior is not called for from these people. they act as if black people don’t have feelings and the only time something like this happens and they can feel sympathy for the family is, when it happens to a white kid or kids. one thing for sure though, what goes around comes around. it wouldn’t matter to me if some of them will one day walk in the shoes of Tracy, Sybrina and Jahvaris. IMO it would serve them right.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena, he’s a New Orleans Mississippi River Thugboat for sure for sure!

    • Malisha says:

      Do not believe it.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I’m pretty sure that’s the poster’s pet theory. A few Stumpers have been promoting a similar line.

  40. valeball says:

    IIRC, Judge Nelson addressed most of the issues that Omara and West are whining about now in their latest motion. She told them to make appointments with FDLE to view the evidence and to get what they needed. She also told them that their questions and concerns could be addressed by deposing certain individuals such as Attorney Crump.regarding the DeeDee tape,etc.most of their “issues” seem to have already been addressed in December. However they continue to engage in a whine-fest. I’m just curious as to how Judge Nelson will address these issues…will she be cool or will she come outta the bag on them.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Hopefully she has some similar answers to this latest round of whine. Won’t that be something?

    • Jun says:

      Judging from what she has already done, she will tell them it has been covered, how it has been solved, and then move on to other business

      Nelson is very New York with how she handles everything, as it is all to the point and done fast

  41. Malisha says:

    Oh, and if it was a case of “discovery has been too difficult” then why the Hell didn’t O’Mara go to court on the date provided for him in January to ask the judge to do whatever was needed? Huh? Huh Mr. Attorney Guy? Huh? YOU said in January that there was nothing for the court to do. So don’t come around in February screaming that you didn’t get what you needed in January. Taking lessons in credibility from your client? Huh? Huh? 😈

    • racerrodig says:

      Keep in mind that the Prosecution has adhered to every phase of the discovery schedule. How many Discovery Dumps and how large have they been by the Prosecution.

      What has O’ Mara provided ?? Not much other than whine.

      • Jun says:

        He came up with, actually the treefort came up with the wrong Deedee twitters and facebooks, threats against the wrong Deedees, a bunch of racist comments towards blacks and mexicans, and threats of revealing Trayvon’s school records when the judge said no

        oh yes and he produced a picture of Trayvon which we have all seen, where he looks like a teenager sitting inside a car

        woooo… Cochrane has nathan on Omara LOL

        • racerrodig says:

          You know you have a losing case when you listen to anyone other than the client. “Gee…..that Conservative Outhouse has some great minds there Fogen. They really get me to thinking…..” Of what, the real world has no idea !!

    • Lito says:

      I hope that is brought up in court

    • Jun says:

      LMAO that is a good point…

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      You are so right, Malisha.

      • Could it be that both MOM & fogen KNOW he’s going down… the extension is just to give fogen more time on the streets before he goes behind bars?

        For some reason, I don’t know how, when or where…..I just have a gut feeling fogen’s going to get busted for something else prior to the trial.

  42. Malisha says:

    I predict O’Mara will keep this case no matter what.
    I still think we’re looking at a PTSD followed by a plea deal that will keep us ALL from really seeing the evidence. And reason? Fogen’s phone records must be absolutely incendiary. Lee and Wolfinger are so implicated that if the whole trial took place they’d end up hiring security firms themselves. And there would be other fall-out that the FDLE does not even want.

    • SRA says:

      What do you mean by PTSD post traumatic stress?

      • Key word “POST”…….NOT Pre traumatic stress disorder.

        Some of you already know….And now I’ll tell the rest…..I myself am DXed with PTSD……..The only “POST traumatic stress disorder” fogen could have is the stress of getting caught in his lies AFTER the murder.

    • truthseeker66 says:

      Malisha, I agree. MOM rep is at stake.

    • Mike says:

      @rayvenwolf,I had that conversation with the CTH posters about black & milds I told them that I’ve smoked them for 21 years and I never seen anyone try to put weed into them they are just too small to hold a good amount of weed,and that people just smoke blacks.

  43. Chocolate Diva says:

    Good Afternoon Professor. I have a question for you. Remember the 3 guys that came in the 7~11 after Trayvon. Is it necessary for the defense to surpena them and their credit card information. The reason why I ask is because I heard that’s what O’mara is going to do. What do that have to do with this case. The person said O’mara think that they purchase a Black and Mild for Trayvon and maybe they knew him and they probably can tells some dirt on him. That just tell me he don’t have a case if Trayvon was a violent out of control teen we would’ve heard something by now. IMO O’mara just need to removed himself from this case.

    • I think the request is a ridiculous fishing expedition for information that isn’t relevant to any issue in the case.

    • Xena says:

      Is it necessary for the defense to surpena them and their credit card information. The reason why I ask is because I heard that’s what O’mara is going to do.

      O’Mara lacks standing in that regard. O’Mara is not the State’s Attorney in this case. He is not law enforcement. Unless there is an investigation pending charges of purchasing tobacco for a minor, that is beyond the scope of discovery. 7-Eleven can tell him to take a hike.

    • The outhouse was all over this the other day, insisting that MOM had to get the 7-11 video recordings to prove that “the three stooges” (as they refered to these guys) did indeed buy the cigar for Trayvon. They are convinced that Trayvon turned the cigar into a “blunt”….pulling out the tobacco and replacing it with pot. It never ceases to amaze me how these sewer slugs can take a bit of inconsequential information and blow it up into major faux evidence. ………….Maybe Trayvon just wanted to smoke a cigar because he’s a teenager…doing what a lot of silly teenagers do. ……….But the outhousers are determined to turn it into something evil…….. 😛 them.

      • blushedbrown says:

        @Grey Winter Sky

        Interesting video with Dr. Drew

      • rayvenwolf says:

        Well as stated on the other entry – B&Ms are the last thing any serious smoker will use for a blunt. NOW if they had bought blunt wraps, it might be of note. Oh wait they would have to then prove it was given to Trayvon and even then its just a wrap. Until there is the happy green plant inside, there is nothing “wrong” with having it.

        I posted elsewhere that now there is this rumor floating about that Trayvon had stolen credit cards on him. These people will dig for anything to tarnish this kid, even if its things 100% irrelevant to the case.

        • blushedbrown says:


          They do not read the evidence. Tracey Martin had given Trayvon gave money for food and the movies. They went to Chad’s football game on Saturday.

          Even if he got a Black and Mild from the teens, it doesn’t prove nothing. GZ had no idea that Trayvon may of had a Black & Mild. Besides being a wanna be cop, he also wants to be a wannabe ATF agent?!! What is O’mara gonna say now he was enforcing underage tobacco smoking! He has no authority, never had it never will. He is going to jail.

          • rayvenwolf says:

            Of course they don’t read anything. Its why so many still repeat the same falsehoods about Trayvon’s height & weight. Say he has bruised knuckles etc etc. Its why debating them is remotely hilarious because they never EVER challenge what we say.

            the Z nation is the very definition of insanity – repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

      • Xena says:

        @grey winter sky

        But the outhousers are determined to turn it into something evil…

        It’s also against the evidence. Nothing was found on Trayvon leading to a conclusion that he had a cigar or pot on his person. The State is not going to allow the defense to go beyond the scope of physical evidence to suggest that Trayvon was doing anything that night other than walking home when GZ left his truck to follow him.

        The law is the law. GZ’s defense is self-defense and that is what he has to prove in order to be granted immunity from prosecution.

        You see, all of this has to do with GZ’s mindset that it was all God’s plan. He is standing in the place of God to decide who deserves to die, so he wants to paint Trayvon in the worst light to convey that even if he did not kill Trayvon in self-defense, Trayvon still deserved to be killed for being a bad person.

  44. colin black says:

    Whonose he was a public defender Ive read his bio
    not his book but his curiculi vita.
    It didnt take long.

  45. colin black says:

    Don’t give the treepers any ideas!
    I was unaware of the Anthony’s t-shirt sales. How sick.
    I heard something about pictures afterwards though.
    Something seems so morally wrong with all of it, but jmo.

    I meant to be ironic as in been there done that an bought the T Shirt.
    But they did have info tents set up or volanteer stations with.
    Have you seen me.
    Missing with a picture of Caylee.
    The tshirts were donateted
    An the Scamthonys let you have one for a minimum 5 dollar payment.
    An dont forget the donation box on your way out.
    An yes they got licenceing fees for the thousands of images they seemed to produce of Caylee.
    On tv evert friffin day spewin disssimformayion about a live Caylee

    • kimmi says:

      What I meant was if they (or Casey obviously), knew she was no longer alive and playing like she was, and selling shirts to make money…
      Not like a ‘normal’ (not a good word), legitimate(?) missing child case where supporters are really trying to raise funds for search efforts or help with costs associated to locate the missing child.

  46. Xena says:

    Professor, I am humbled that you found my comment worthy of turning into a post. In my experience, I’ve had opportunity of organizing exhibits for attorneys. It was not massive — 200 to 300 exhibits max. Although there is specific case management software, Adobe Pro works find for smaller exhibit organization. It has indexing capabilities and the program runs about $500.00. Working in a virtual capacity, Dropbox software is also beneficial.

    But $40,0000 when O’Mara seems stuck on presenting nothing to the court other than pictures of GZ’s face and head???!!!! He could hire BlushedBrown who is organized and can put her hand on almost any document that the State has entered into discovery.

    • I didn’t say this, but I think he went for the Rolls Royce when a Honda would have served his purposes.

      Also, I doubt he will ever need to use it again because, given his not-ready-for-prime-time performance representing the Z-man, I think he’s destined to handle more DUIs and divorces.

      Like his awesome scholar of a client, he’s got the market on Ds cornered. 👿

      • Malisha says:

        His experience as a dom-rel has made him think ALL CASES can just be managed by blah blah blah and “the adversary is really bad and mean and wrong.” Dom-rels don’t even TRY to figure out what the law says because it’s all about sound bytes and trial by litany.

      • Xena says:


        Also, I doubt he will ever need to use it again because, given his not-ready-for-prime-time performance representing the Z-man, I think he’s destined to handle more DUIs and divorces.

        Maybe he’ll be able to add bankruptcy to his list of concentrations by the time this case is over.

      • racerrodig says:

        Ok, Ok Ok…..please say it just once for me. One time….
        “Moron O” Mara”….you said is so politely. But lets face facts, he and Z both have that mentality.

        • Race……

          MORON O’MARA

          More to your liking? 🙂

          • racerrodig says:

            I’ve been saying that since about August. Last month the use of names got to the Professor so we all agreed to restrict the use of names to describe them. From time to time I still use Moron O.

            The Professor described O’ Mara in a very polite terms and basically called him Moron O’ Mara. I just wanted the Professor to use the words…

      • Jun says:


        he asked for the security detail as if he was the Shiek of Saudi Arabia, when his bank account dont have it, nor was it even necessary

        It sounds like irresponsibility with the money and as usual, citizens of Florida suffer from the defendant’s actions, because they will foot the bill now

        But the ridiculous thing is you are right

        Normal average people know they cant buy a Rolls Royce, so they get the best thing they can get, whether its a cadillac or Honda or whatever

        Are credit cards considered bank accounts? Fogenhats may be using his credit card right now

    • blushedbrown says:


      Thank you Xena !!!

      But I don’t think team O’mara would want me or could afford me!!!!! HA!!!!

      • Xena says:


        But I don’t think team O’mara would want me or could afford me!!!!! HA!!!!

        Well, since he has no evidence to convict Trayvon of being a thug, I don’t know what his staff is doing anyway. They certainly aren’t proofing his pleadings before he files them.

        • blushedbrown says:


          I think I know the answer, the interns are posting positive messaging to soothe the beast known as Fogen. The interns are trolling the internet and reading blogs like Leatherman, Bcclist, DothProtest, Marinade Dave, JusticeQuest, and of course Blackbutterfly. That is the six major blogs one for each one of them to review. We are coming at it so fast and furious that they can not keep up! That is why no work is getting done in the office O’Mara. HA!

          OOO I must not forget Whonoze and Lonnie’s blog that they really don’t get at all! Too much for their brains!!!!! They don’t even try to decipher it.

          • I think you’ve got it…….looking for things they might have missed against fogen.

          • blushedbrown says:


            Yep. But the thing is O’mara has to reject everything they find here because it puts his client closer and closer to this…..


          • racerrodig says:

            What !!!!!!!! No X Box !!

          • blushedbrown says:


            no ding dongs (I like saying ding dongs) and no tastykakes!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            He was a Cherry Pop Tart fan by the concession list his 2 stints in County Jail…………oh and Root Beer Barrels.

          • blushedbrown says:

            He better buy alot of those, when he gets to prison because the boys inside love them sweets.

          • I can just see fogen DEMANDING a private shower…….

          • blushedbrown says:


            you are a bad man 🙂

          • Xena says:


            I think I know the answer, the interns are posting positive messaging to soothe the beast known as Fogen. The interns are trolling the internet and reading blogs like Leatherman, Bcclist, DothProtest, Marinade Dave, JusticeQuest, and of course Blackbutterfly. That is the six major blogs one for each one of them to review.

            Then there’s Crime Watchers and a few other forums with sections dedicated to justice for Trayvon. The JBMission posts some powerful articles too. But mainly, they keep their focus here. They are obsessed with Leatherman, dedicating enter blog pages to him. If they spent that much time presenting discovery evidence — well, forget that — that is what they DON’T want discussed. LOL!

            We are coming at it so fast and furious that they can not keep up! That is why no work is getting done in the office O’Mara. HA!

            They’re probably cataloging all of LLMPapa’s videos so they can memo O’Mara on possible defenses. That will take them forever because there are no defenses.

            OOO I must not forget Whonoze and Lonnie’s blog that they really don’t get at all! Too much for their brains!!!!! They don’t even try to decipher it.

            Zidiots mock what they don’t understand — just don’t know how to keep their mouths shut rather than show their ignorance.

          • blushedbrown says:


            My Lord, how on earth could I forget LLMPAPA!!
            and The JBMission and the Crimewatchers. !!!

            Good Lord O’mara needs more computers and more interns.

            Let me check the budget….. Ummmm NOT!!! 😈

          • Xena says:

            LOL@Brown. Then there are those that while not focused on justice for Trayvon, do post articles from time to time, such as 3Chics and Malita Litman.

            (SIGH) Just think about it — and they only have one main blog that they collect at.

          • blushedbrown says:


            Damn we are large. Hey that’s not even including the facebook pages and such. WOW.

            Pity… only one page for the other side. Boy oh Boy what will O’mara do. (snark)

          • Xena says:


            Damn we are large. Hey that’s not even including the facebook pages and such. WOW.

            And that makes the Zidiots very envious, and very frightened. If there is a way they can communicate with us individually, they issue all sorts of threats about “destroying” us. They also try that crap to pit one against the other. We continue to get stronger, more determined, more bold.

            Pity… only one page for the other side. Boy oh Boy what will O’mara do. (snark)

            Now, I’m not one to go searching for Zidiot blogs, but the last I checked, only the treeslum is popular among them. It’s my impression they prefer comment boards on news articles because they are less moderated so they can get away using racial slurs and obscene personal attacks.

          • blushedbrown says:


            I only go to the CTH when someone post something said or done over there, but only on rare occasions do I do this. I will not post over there because then they will attack and hack. That’s there mo.
            I stay close to home.

          • Xena says:

            @blushedbrown. Because several of the Yahoo group members post to comments on Yahoo articles about the case, I used to go over and give them a thumb’s up in effort to counter the Zidiots with numerous accounts hiding comments. But,one Zidiot boasted about having 30 or more accounts. One thumb’s up to 30 thumbs down does not help.

            Then, I realized that after the first two days of a new article, no one is reading comments anyway — only the same two or three people against one Zidiot with 30 accounts and just as many handles. That person vandalizes the comment board with racist filth, demeaning of Trayvon, and personal attacks.

            Thus, I no longer go to Yahoo articles about the case.

        • racerrodig says:

          You’re 16 minutes late for rehearsal !! Sheesh….

          • Xena says:

            We’re on different time zones. LOL!!!

            I’m looking for an online group chat source. Several of the pay sources have voice and video chat included. Wouldn’t it be great to sing online?

          • racerrodig says:

            That would be way cool. I just found some 8mm tape & DVD’s of my band Profession of Faith playing special music at our old Church. Man, that band was good !!

          • Xena says:

            @racerrodig. When you have time, you must post them on Youtube.

          • racerrodig says:

            I have no idea how to but my son does. I will let you know.

            To be honest there are a few songs there that I just wish Fogen, and well everyone that has any malice in their hearts would listen to and think……(as far as God goes) “……yeah, Listen to his Love, that’s a great song and has a great message……maybe I need to rethink my BS a little bit”

            But, that’s just me.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @BlushBrown, I say those living quarters suit him except, that little chair will not last a week with all of that *LARD* inflicting all of that punishment on it.

  47. kimmi says:

    Xena said…
    “I wonder if his financial supporters realized they would also be housing, feeding, and clothing ShelLIE? Who is paying her attorney?”

    I wouldn’t doubt if soon we will be seeing the ‘poor’ ShelLIE defense fund…

    • A Shellie / Octomom video… that could sell…. 🙂

      Couldn’t call it “Foxy Boxing” though 😦

    • Xena says:


      I wouldn’t doubt if soon we will be seeing the ‘poor’ ShelLIE defense fund…

      Yeah, I’m surprised we haven’t yet, along with at “poor” Junior advocacy fund.

      If O’Mara couldn’t do it, and Hannity couldn’t do it, and Junior couldn’t do it, what makes O’Mara think that he can do it now?

      For O’Mara to maybe convince former financial contributors to give now, he needs to make a HUGE apology for GZ betraying their trust by taking their donated money and paying off his pre-Feb. 26, 2012 debts.

      He also should explain why GZ and ShelLIE were not concerned with renting housing upon his release. That would help dilute the thought that they did not do so, because GZ planned to flee — like Judge Lester said, with $135,000 of other people’s money.

  48. whonoze says:

    @ roderick2012:

    In what thread on TalkLeft did Jeralyn have the fit about the video?

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I saw her post yelling about your video last night in the Forum. It would be in the discussion of timeline / evidence I think. Not on a front page thread. Today it would be dated 1/30.

    • leander22 says:

      Whonoze, that’s the typical bitchy Jeralyn. Don’t worry.

      On her own blog she loves to simply censor people, deleting them without a word. That irriated me, and made me curious at the same time, since this had never, ever happened to me before, so I stayed on a while. It was easy to see that whoever’s comments I liked, she disliked deeply. All these people were in danger to be deleted.

      But she always posted all the case files,and some early articles I found not so uninteresting. I do not always need to read people that agree with me, but that seems her core problem.

      I see now she has some files under lock in her forum. Not really a surprising development, she has a strong authoritarian strain.. Or would I have access if I locked in? I didn’t look much in her Zimmerman Forum, it was pretty dominated by the right, from the little I saw. Just as people writing comments on her Zimmerman articles on her blog in the end.

      Once a deletion startled me. Someone left two notes. S/he caught my attention. Very, very sensible comments. By that time these more humanitarian voices had disappeared almost completely.

      When I returned to respond to the messages, they were gone. So i asked her, for the precise reason based on her rules–she wrote special rules for the Trayvon Martin case–she claimed the person had used the term Nazi. Which was absolutely not true.

      I found this interesting so I watched it closer. She uses this silent comment deletion technique to drive out people she does not like. I guess, she didn’t like me. But the above taught me something. From now on, I asked every time one of my comments disappeared what had displeased her or what had violated her rules. Now interestingly my comments were not deleted anymore. But I felt pretty lonely over there in the end they had all left, it’s pretty frustrating to get deleted constantly, and even regulars that had still rebelled against her fell silent and avoide the topic in the end.

      It was an interesting experience. Initially there were still representatives of both sides presents. But she deliberately killed all these voices in the pro-Trayvon camp and in the end you could witness the remaining regulars fall into line or avoid the topic altogether Even an early favorite of mine, who was pretty refreshing, Anne.

      Odd, very, very dominating women. She seems to feel rather comfortable on the right in this topic, she avoided to mention the treehouser but yesterday I noticed they are connected., In any case she has often praised Diawatman for quite a while.
      So don’t be tricked by “talk LEFT”, Stalinist left maybe?

      very, very, odd lady. But after a while too boring to study.

    • leander22 says:

      sorry, for the long meditation. Seems I still suffer PTSD from my encounters with Jeralyn,

      But I notice nomatter_nevermind is still around, and does quite well considering he probably faces collective antagonism, as I assume.

      Yes the clubhouse surfaces a lot in his earlier calls. See his response. Maybe I check if the locked documents are really locked.

      Interesting though, the pictures she has from the cut through into the neigbhorhood at or above Taaffe’s house. (same site, I only have one link) Dave should use them in his video, they make what Taaffe says more clear. My problem is Taaffe assumes familiarity with the surrounding, which Trayvon only had to a very limited extend it feels. Besides, can’t you simply walk in the rain because people like GZ consider it suspicious?

      • leander22 says:

        Do you consider it an accident she associates “Tele Rat” with the data of Tayvon’s cell phone?. I am afraid I cannot consider this an accident any more.

      • leander22 says:

        Well elegant escape strategy.

        Cellebrite is like the ultimate Tele-Rat, providing vast amounts of information about your phone. Its signature product is the Cellebrite UFED Touch Ultimate.

        I can’t stand that woman.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I find it interesting that she puts words in people’s mouths, often accusing them of saying things they didn’t before she bans them. And i notice she also allows some people to say things she’d ban newer posters for.

        At any rate, she has a new article up on the TM phone investigation

        • I read the article and I think Jeralyn did a good job describing what information can be retrieved from a cell phone.

          I also want to know what’s up with the “missing” information from February 26th. PYorck mentioned last night that it may have been provided in its raw form, which may be unreadable by the untrained eye.

          I suspect that may be true but we will have to wait and see what BDLR says in his response to O’Mara’s motion before we will know what is going on.

          The prosecution has to turn over all exculpatory information that it has as well as all information obtained from the phone that it intends to introduce at trial. I seriously doubt that any information obtained from that phone is exculpatory. I believe the information from 2/26, assuming that it has been retrieved from the phone, will be introduced at trial. Therefore, the prosecution must provide it.

          If they were unable to retrieve it, they are going to have to explain why.

          I do know this: If the defendant had not squandered so much money and defense counsel had used it for its proper purpose and retained a phone technology expert, we might not be having this conversation.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I love to walk in the rain on nights when other people stay in. Very peaceful and often very beautiful in the city.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Some points in the new Telerat post are quite good, but of course, some of it is a Treeper style tirade about the prosecution, etc.etc. ad nauseum.

      • leander22 says:

        Internal dialog/meditation:

        I surely hope she isn’t correct and the data isn’t lost. Which of course would be wonderful for her side. This could be used perfectly by defense as a prosecution cover up. A fact one can focus the juries attention on.

        Shit, I cannot log in with my talkLeft account, and then there is this:

        TalkLeft Discussion Forums

        An Error Has Occurred!
        Sorry, registration is currently disabled.

        Has anyone tried to register lately? Strictly this is a good way to give the false impression that there is a majority consent.

        shit, I would like to point out to nomatter_nevermind he did not consider that GZ called back and reported the changed location Taaffe’s house on 2/2/2012. I have to wait, if he comments on the new article on the blog. Let’s see if mine will survive. Hmm? Off topic.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I mean in a subtle way . . . she’s concerned about Big Bro, for sure, but there’s a bit of snark – but at least less than the usual blind as a bat pro-OM, pro-Fogen support appartus. JM doesn’t come right out and accuse any particular person or agency of outright sabotage on TMs phone, otherwise we’d have to ask Anon to check her blog, LOL!

        I wouldn’t be surprised if all the previous attempts at extracting info from the phone screwed up the data from 2/26. I’m amazed it took nearly a year to send it to the proper experts.

      • leander22 says:

        two sides, obviously some of her points are good. Just as she usually dives deeper into the whole story and legal aspects.

        Nevertheless her statements about “reasonable fear” are enormously biased in George’s direction. The only standard for her are GZ’s claimed “reasonable fear”, which would render it absolutely subjective. Notice George claims he thought he was hit with something, not only was his head bashed against the concrete! I wanted to make a comment concerning this above here, but then decided not to.

        Who but George could have triggered this entry on Leland Management’s Twitter RTL newsletter?

        12 Feb Retreat @ Twin Lakes Retreat @ Twin Lakes ‏@RTL_News

        Our Neighborhood Watch leads to four arrests in burglaries in the RTL. Great job!

        Besides not four but one. Thus they surely didn’t get that information from police. And who but the captain would pass on information?

        She attracted my attention when she did an article about Burgess, that supported absolutely my own conclusions, considering GZ’s successfully caused arrests. She did never did go so far as to question GZ’s prevention of burglary at Taaffe’s house. Maybe nothing peculiar since it is hypothetical. In any case the door was saved by police, but we would need to ask Smith if it showed evidence of a break in. Interestingly both Zimmerman and Taaffe state that he often left doors and windows open when he went away. For all I can tell, the guy with the bomber hat and pajama pants, just as Trayvon may have been at the wrong place in the wrong time. But both George and Taaffe try to tell us it was in fact Burgess.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Yes, I agree with you leander and the professor. Overall, the article is very good. I’m just so used to JM’s cutting people off that she probably shouldn’t cut off – and her way of getting snarky about anyone who dares question her line on Fogen, that I perhaps read too much between the lines! But it’s a good article and very revealing, as she says, about the extent that police and gov’t can go after your phone data. Our computers and phones and pads are electronic leashes for sure.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I suspect JM has a fear of black males.

      • leander22 says:

        The prosecution has to turn over all exculpatory information that it has as well as all information obtained from the phone that it intends to introduce at trial.

        Obviously, Professor, I have to excuse myself for my rants. Rage is always a bad adviser. I was aware of this before and while blasting off. Maybe I’ll shut up for a while. 😉

        I usually can control myself much better. But it may have to do with the fact that the scenario somehow suggests to me not so much the majority opinion here, but in fact that defense may have a weak case and indeed tries to cover up something. Isn’t there any internal communication that the data from 2/26/2012 is none retrievable? But much more importantly maybe considering future jury members: The statements about the mysterious agency and data missing without explanation is fodder for the media campaign of Team GZ. What could be more obvious?

        And please notice, beyond my sympathy for Trayvon Martin, I am basically skeptic even about the ultimate success of defense. It’s the obvious outcome of the scenario that ultimately only George knows, and no, I don’t think he had helpers. Informers maybe, not no helpers.

      • leander22 says:

        I see she picks up on the story.

        Just in case anybody here still believes Team Fogen will not make the money aimed at. Think again. We are back to the start, or to O’Mara’s argument during the first bond hearing. George Zimmerman’s human rights were infringed, impinged upon.

    • leander22 says:

      Thanks, Professor, my argument wasn’t a legal argument. It was more about the accompanying attempts at shaping perception.

      Besides, I have considerably calmed down. If you like you can delete all my comments about Jeralyn. I actually decided to never do this when, I deleted my whole documentation of her deletions over a couple of month. I simply was back in the same type of rage as I was then for a while.

      I was unfair in that rage. Quite possibly she closed the Forum to keep out the hate. When I looked into the Forum it almost naturally accompanied the hard-line pro Zimmerman position that dominated but not quite as outspoken as on treehouse occasionally: “White guilt”. It may well have lured more of the same crowd demanding some type of action.

  49. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Professor, are a lot of defendants like gz?

    I have never followed a murder case closely before this case. In the past I just watched the evening news and heard summaries of cases.

    It seems as if he has been a very difficult person to handle and pin down all of his life.

  50. colin black says:

    kimmi says:

    January 31, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    What I don’t understand is how they are allowing someone to benefit monetarily from a crime. Isn’t that setting a precident for future criminals?

    Set up a begging site for a defense and hold off trial until you collect enough money? Really? The thought just makes my stomach turn.


    The Anthonys have been there sold the photos an the T Shirts.

    Suprised the treeple site are not selling T shirts for foggen.

    T Shirts with the legend

    I Shot Obamas Son at the T……………

    • kimmi says:

      Don’t give the treepers any ideas!
      I was unaware of the Anthony’s t-shirt sales. How sick.
      I heard something about pictures afterwards though.
      Something seems so morally wrong with all of it, but jmo.

    • What is the deadline for the state to respond to this multitude of motions from O’Mara?

    • Dave says:

      “Innocent until proven guilty”… (and the sooner the better).

      • sdunn5 says:

        “Presumed” is the operative word.

        • racerrodig says:

          Except “Presumed” would have a lot more meaning in this case if Fogen didn’t say he was following Trayvon and said “…shoot who…I didn’t shoot anyone……what ? ……”

          • sdunn5 says:

            Racer did you find it odd when Serino was interviewing (cough) interrogating fat ass he asked the sicko “the responsibility behind this….you know how these things might go”…and the dumb ass in a girly voice real soft-like says “Justifiable Homicide”? You could tell the detective was so disgusted by the turd in front of him he pulled him out of the little room and as he goes back on record you hear Serino mutter…”MMA..WWF…but the idiot does not understand “the English Language”. See the old westerns and bad bad B movies this little hunting team watch are so detached from the language people speak they just keep up the weirdo catch phrases “You got me”…I am particularly pissed at the “Ow ow” he claims the kid said after being shot dead through the heart. And Nurse Smellie ca-thinks since it was onwy through a part of the lobe of his wung….he must have said “Ow”. So we have arrived at the new and incredibly crazy sounding motions and more of the icky. Me thinks they is not poisoning the jury pool they is PISSING THEM OFF!! But disconnected vermin of that type no understand the “normal”, reasonable” idea. ..We won’t be deposing Serino until all the others have been deposed and hunt for new vitnesses..Watch him on tuesday with his “water bottle” it appears to me O’m has it filled with Vodka!!

          • racerrodig says:

            You have it nailed !!! That “Justifiable Homicide” remark was just so bad. Not a thought of reality like “…….um, maybe somebody will think I killed him for no real f’in reason”

            Noooooooo, reality……take a powder.

            But I believe they are pissing off just about anyone with a brain that could be a potential juror. Those with an IQ above room temperature have a tendency to say “Stop insulting my intelligence asshole” I know I do !!!!!

          • sdunn5 says:

            What these weaselly wabbits do not get is most have looked way the other way for fear of their own spewing. It’s so evil and so alternate universe, Did ya get the impression the weasel wrote that motion seems to me an attorney just could not be this bad at …being an attorney. Mark my vords in the end it will be Serino who puts this ass clown in the prison, and it will be redemption for Baez. Jose “Angel” Baez… hmmm it’s your time, it is his penance…’s beginning to look like it to me…Angel?? Coincidence.. I think not!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            All I can say Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep !! Oh Yeah !!

          • sdunn5 says:

            And Jorge is fat because it is back to status quo. He had always been a porker…As the wise Lead Investigator said what is it you have ADD ADDH…? Oh really diagnosed as a child??? Hehe…no he also asked you take Adderall? How much? Well I feel strongly those ittle medical (cough) records by a Physician’s Assistant…(cough)..drug dealer…was prescribed or “Forged” and there will not be a script dating back beyond…1-12. Porky had never been more svelte or demented..he was in full blooming psychopathy… it was his destiny in his wittle pea bwain. Should have gone for the polygraph psycho ya would have passed. Can’t fail a test measuring truth…since you can’t find your way to it even with google maps ya flat-lining punk!!

          • racerrodig says:

            Dead on. He was on a path of utter destruction since he was a demented kid. I’ll bet if you were to find kids he went to school with and they spoke the truth they’d say “….yep, that’s about how I thought he’d end up…..incarcerated !!”

          • sdunn5 says:

            racer you know the Prosecution has his Virginia School Records right? They have had them a l-o-n-g time! Might not be very nice records or lack of them…because that dumb shit and dumber playing an attorney on TV dude wanted those SEALED. As for other kids remembering him? Not so much. Calling Notary Gladys can ya help a poor “Foster” son out with some ….”Stamps”? Oops I am being naughty..!!

          • racerrodig says:

            Oh, I know they have all of his records. You know what I mean about classmates saying this is about his speed. When I was in HS everyone had their friends who assessed other with that “Most likely to …..” list. I fit in with everyone (played football, cars, rock bands) other than the dope oriented crowd and everyone of our calls came to pass. The girl most likely to become a prostitute, did, most likely to jump off a bridge, did, and so on.

            I can say it is likely many of his classmates said he was most likely to wind up in big trouble one day. He did finish an astounding 307th out of 322 in his graduating class.

            No doubt he was probably voted in some “Most likely to be un / underemployed forever” by someone.

            He may have even voted “Most likely to wish he could run over Mexicans on the sidewalk” also……….Just sayin’

          • PiranhaMom says:

            @ Racer —

            EXCLUSIVE! Ya’ heard it first here, from Racerrodig — 15 kids in Virginia judged dumber that Chorge Zimmerman.

            Who’da thunket?

          • racerrodig says:

            I was stunned !! Shocked and thought it couldn’t possibly be his fault. Had to be the teachers just didn’t like him.

            Then again…………………maybe, just maybe, he’s just plain stupid.

    • seallison says:

      Because he has only been charged with a crime and is innocent until proven guilty.

  51. colin black says:

    I recomend Steve Glazer as foggens public Defender.
    Same guy Aileen Wurnrous had as Public Defender he smokes a lot of pot so foggens tales may make sense to him.
    Mind you so do I an none of them do to me.

    Anyway I recomend this documentry to all

  52. kimmi says:

    What I don’t understand is how they are allowing someone to benefit monetarily from a crime. Isn’t that setting a precident for future criminals?

    Set up a begging site for a defense and hold off trial until you collect enough money? Really? The thought just makes my stomach turn.

    • racerrodig says:

      Same here, It bothers me to no end and should be illegal.

    • kimmi says:

      Also, it is being collected under the pretense of providing a ‘vigorous’ defense, but in reality, only a fraction of the money collected has went toward Fogen’s defense, as most of it was spent on other unnecessary and inflated (imo) expenses.

      • groans says:

        It is utterly repulsive and a disgrace to the legal profession. (I commented more, above, so I won’t repeat more than that.)

    • Tzar says:

      they are bold

      • Xena says:

        Over $61,000 for living expenses. Heck! Some of his supporters live in residents valued at $37,000. They should have helped GZ purchase a house or trailer.

        I wonder if his financial supporters realized they would also be housing, feeding, and clothing ShelLIE? Who is paying her attorney?

        • racerrodig says:

          The other day, some one on HP said to the effect what a typical Zidiots house must look like when a Zidiot insulted the dwelling of a member of Team Trayvon.

          My response to what a typical Zidiot’s house looks like was ..

          “40 ft. long, 8″ – 6” wide and usually 2 axles. As usual I didn’t get a single denial…

      • kimmi says:

        That’s an understatement! I can’t believe MOM can go on TV and say all the crap with a straight face. How stupid does he think people are? Oh right, he follows the treepers!

        • racerrodig says:

          Any bets that most murderers are pretty much, well….broke in the grand scheme of things ??

          My guess is that most of them are poor enough that just a retainer and bail drives them beyond broke. This bastard brags about needing money, needing more money, needing BIG money !!

          Something morally bankrupt here and they don’t see it…Everybody else pay for my lawyer ??

      • Lito says:


      • Jun says:

        Vancouver is expensive to live in, but there was no need for them to spend close to 10K a month on living expenses

        oh well, not my problem LOL

      • Kelly Payne says:

        they are lying. they get the discovery almost as soon as it’s released to the public.

      • Since PapaZ defends fogen, why doesn’t he take in fogen & fogenette? They are family after all..and supposedly Christian too. Isn’t this what they are suppose to do? If someone is down, lift them up (well maybe not literally…ouch). Where is the REAL family support, and not just words?

    • ladystclaire says:

      I agree and this is total BS all damn day long. this POS is a *NOBODY* and if he can’t pay for his own defense, let him do what the rest of the poor people do. I have never seen a murder suspect receive so much special treatment than this one as well as Casey Anthony. in his case, who else gets to bond out of jail *TWICE?*

      I’ve never heard of that being done before this POS!

      • racerrodig says:

        POS is putting it mildly.

      • @ladystclaire:
        I agree with you! It is not like Fogen is a member of any famous family! Even the Kennedy Family would not warrant such special treatment! Bonds out of jail twice? Solicits money from complete strangers? Can you imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, or Scott Peterson did this? This sets a terrible precedent for future criminals! How can anyone play on the public and ask for money to fund your defense and then spend the money on your bills? He and his lazy wife need to get jobs and stop laying up on their collective asses! Donations to a man who murdered a teenage boy in cold blood. Fogen relied on the racists and gun nuts to send him money, but the gun nuts have their own problems these days, and the racists are not interested in him really. Plus, they probably do not have any money. HIs arrogance just amazes me. He is a POS!

        Did you listen to LLMPapa’s new video of the cousin describing how he used to molest her? She should have stabbed him the moment he tried to touch her!

      • bettykath says:

        Defense funds are not unusual. Even Congressional or WH staff people who are under investigation, not even charged, have set up defense funds. I don’t remember any names off hand but if they manage to tumble out of my overstuffed brain, I’ll post them.

        I don’t have a problem with a defense fund in this case, but I’m not too thrilled that so much of the money and the first 30k was used for living expenses rather than defense expenses. Even if I thought he were innocent, I wouldn’t contribute b/c of what I consider an abuse of the fund.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Generally, with an M2 charge, you get a million dollar bail the first time around.

      • racer…..When it comes to fogen, “P” doesn’t stand for “PIECE”……”P” stands for “PILE” and a BIG ONE at that!

      • ladystclaire says:

        @racer, I know that POS is putting it mildly but, I don’t want to go gospel gangsta on his fat rear end. but I will tell you, I can’t stand the sight of him or his voice. the sooner they get on with this trial the better so he can finally be locked up, where he belongs.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @DM, yes I did see LLMPAPA’S video about this filthy animal and what he did in relation to is cousin. it’s very telling, that he has been in something criminal for most of his life and, his father didn’t do him any favors by always getting him out of what he got himself into.

        I’m so glad to know that, the justice system will not make this all go away, no not this time. I’n hoping that his father as well as his brother may well be facing some kind of charges themselves, before it’s all said and done.

      • Tzar says:

        it’s about the hatred for his victim

    • Jun says:

      I dont know if it is true, but I heard Anonymous does not like Junior, so I will crack up laughing if Anonymous hacks the GZ defense fund LMAO

  53. Tzar says:

    the evidence he is searching for exists only in the fevered imaginations of creepy people like the client, the client’s family and their frantic supporters

    at some point we have to call a spade a spade
    O’Mara stood in open court, as the world watched, and proffered as evidence, inflammatory and defamatory information he collected from civilian strangers, upon which he had not done the modicum due diligence to confirm. He made a mockery of the court and the process of justice, while delusionally letting slip out that occasional duper’s smirk, perfectly reminiscent of his client’s creepy smiles during the Hannity interview (go back to the last 2 hearings, watch his face when he discusses Trayvon or Deedee). At some point we have to consider that O’Mara may just be “creepy people”.

  54. TommysMom says:

    I didn’t see an answer to what I asked yesterday,so I’ll ask again.
    In the breakdown of what was spent,why isn’t the money GZ transferred to family members and used to pay CCard and cell phone bills listed?

    • kimmi says:

      I think they want people to believe Fogen ‘only’ received 314K from supporters and not 380K, otherwise it makes them look even more irresponsible with the ‘defense fund’
      Actually, I think the 64-65K Fogen and SheLIE spent on CC and ‘other’ bills before the fund was ‘established’ so they are not including that amount in their figures. IMO, it is still $ Fogen collected.
      I hope Judge Nelson puts a stop to the ‘fishing for funds’ and holds MOM to the June trial date. This is unbelievably sickening.
      Appoint a public defender, and get the show on the road (no pun intended), and allow justice to be served.

      • leander22 says:

        I hope Judge Nelson puts a stop to the ‘fishing for funds’ and holds MOM to the June trial date.

        kimmi, wishful thinking?

        I doubt she can. Strictly from her perspective the only alternative is the state pays. If she forbids donations, what is the alternative? The child of sorrow has to be supported by the state too, not just his legal fees. Again, I doubt she can. And it makes no sense.

        I could imagine that the lower fees for experts also matter in such a case from the defense perspective, and thus for both Fogen. and O’Mara. The ideal scenario would be they reach their monthly income aim. …

      • groans says:

        I find the “fishing for funds” repulsive, too.

        What makes it repulsive to me – as opposed to merely distasteful or gross – is that the lawyer is so directly involved and it’s way too commingled with the actual LEGAL defense.

        To me, it is SO unseemly for a member of a bar to publicly beg for money for a client. IMO, O’Mara’s conduct is ever-increasingly disgraceful to the legal profession.

    • PYorck says:

      Perhaps I am not remembering correctly, but I think that was before the defense fund was created. O’Mara doesn’t talk about the money GZ collected himself other than the one initial transfer into the new fund.

      • kimmi says:

        It looks better to the supporters if Fogen ‘only’ blew through 314K and not 380K (which is really the case).

    • Trained Observer says:

      Now, now TommysMom, how many times must you be told not to ask pointed questions that might embarrass the Fogen fam or its not-so-hot legal team? 🙂

      • TommysMom says:

        I’m trying not to stress out over this case,but if I did I’d like to take Maxine’s advice.
        “When you’re feeling stressed out,it helps to make a nice hot cup of tea,and spill it in the lap of whoever’s bugging you.”

    • Xena says:

      Kimmi and PYorck are correct. GZ paid off his credit cards and the $3,500 loan back to his parents before O’Mara took over the funds. Those were instructions that GZ gave to ShelLIE while he was in jail awaiting his first bond hearing. GZ also spent an amount for his first bond before turning over the balance to O’Mara.

      A copy of the check dated 4/25/12 given to O’Mara is in the amount of $122,393.04.

      Click to access bank-records.pdf

    • Two sides to a story says:

      TommysMom – that’s probably a part of the living expense total.

    • leander22 says:

      Mom, I think that’s simply a trick, There was never much talk about the money not transfered to O’Mara anyway. Down the memory hole.

      Already the numbers as they are, are not so easy to explain. Imagine there was the number household expenses: 125,000 $ that would make be about 17,800 per month. Doesn’t look so good, don’t you think? That feels way beyond living expenses.

      Besides who knows if some of the money is still in a safety box somewhere as some kind of security, a money safety belt so to speak. Considering their income I cannot really believe their debts were so high. But strictly I don’t care.

      • If there is a “trustee” then complete records should be available.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @leander, I have thought about them having some money in another safe deposit box as well. also on one of the jail house tapes of his and ShelLies conversation, they were for sure talking about making a RUN for it.

        These people can’t be trusted and, why was his father flying to wherever and having the need of security to the airport. was he going ahead of them somewhere to set up living arrangements for them in the event that Judge Nelson granted his motion to have his gps removed? IMO, there was definitely something up with that.

  55. Well said Xena and Professor!

  56. whonoze says:

    So, Professor: As a Kentuckian, How ’bout that Rand Paul!

  57. roderick2012 says:

    I thought that the prosecution gave O’Mara about 60 CDs in one of the early document dumps-what would they have contained?

    It’s interesting that George’s supporters claim that the State has no evidence yet they say the State is the blame for delaying the trial because the State is withholding evidence.

    What I don’t is why O’Mara decided to invest this much money in this trial when there was no certainty that the donations would continue to flow.

    Now that he has released this vague list of expenses I doubt anyone who was tempted to give before will understand why O’Mara needed to spend this much money on what seems extravagant expenses.

    The fact that O’Mara didn’t understand how much resources this case would require makes me believe that he thinks very much like George-impulsively if at all.

    • PYorck says:

      I think O’Mara knew exactly what it would require.

      Unfortunately he also thought the case would remain as it seemed when he took over. The case was all over the headlines around the world. Donations were pouring in. The defendant was the darling of all red-blooded self-defense-loving Americans and his credibility was still undetermined, i.e. at an all time high.

      Things went a bit downhill from there.

    • Rachael says:

      They state it is evidence that would help the defense, that is why they witheld it. They state it is proof there is no DD and they tampered with phone messages on Trayvon’s phone. That is why they withheld it and that they have no evidence against GZ.

      • lurker says:

        DD’s testimony seemed compelling when it first came out. I’m not so certain how well she can do in court, however. I think that the forensic evidence (lack of Z’s DNA on Trayvon’s hands, only blood from Z. on T is a round drop–likely falling on T’s shirt as Z was above him, the direction of blood flow on Z’s head–and particularly the phone and flashlight found to the SOUTH of the body; not to mention the way that timelines don’t add up) has really stacked up as being much stronger than DD’s testimony is.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Eh. Marlarkey on the no DD business. There is evidence of calls coming into Trayvon’s phone from Miami – Dade during the timeline of his walking through RTL. We already have that. They’re talking about GPS info being missing for 2/16. That is curious. What’s up with that and with the phone not being sent for investigation until just recently – Jan 2013?

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It sounds to me as if OM couldn’t really afford to extend himself pro bono in a high-profile case. He thought those donations would consistently continue.

      • YAHTC

        Remember on newsvine ol’ Vern came off with “I’m gonna donate $400.00 because I can afford it”

        To which my reply was ” Wasn’t that the money you were saving for a new set of teeth?”

        I gotta stay away from newsvine……….To toxic for me…..not to mention stupid.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        That was so funny, Pat! You do have great lines!

  58. SRA says:

    Professor: GZ legal raised $5200 yesterday from 160 donors, but I doubt that will continue.

    • Trained Observer says:

      That oughta cover the Super Bowl pizza tab for Fogen and his wife.

    • roderick2012 says:

      But, but O’Mara stated that the defense would need at least $1 million.


      • Trained Observer says:

        whonoze — Here’s a vision: Romney, Papa John, and Fogen, all lined up to pitch the Meat Eater Special, sure to please at 47% off.

    • racerrodig says:

      I doubt they raised that much in all seriousness. I think they make those claims simply to make it look like he’s still the man, a winner and hey, everyone wants to be with a whiner, er, winner.

      • looneydoone says:

        $5 k remaining in the “defense fund” before the plea for more money + $200 in donations yesterday = $5,2000 “in donations” since yesterday. It’s *new math*

        • racerrodig says:

          Stupid me !! How did I not see that one.

        • Doone…….I thought the same thing myself……sounded too much like a conspiracy theory though…..Yet not unimaginable in the least……..Now here’s a thought……Why not fogen post something like a weekly P&L statement…….Income vs Outlays …..itemized.

          • racerrodig says:

            “.Income vs Outlays …..itemized.”

            Balance fwd $5,200.00

            Golden Coral $35.00
            Papa Johns $26.80
            Legal Exp Deferred
            Sing Hi Restaurant $46.00
            Make up $216.35
            Tower of Pizzas $36.55
            Security detail Deferred
            IHOP $28.68
            Cell phone service $198.57
            Game Stop $368.66
            Legal Exp Deferred
            Outback steakhouse $98.36
            Security to Outback Deferred
            Legal Expert Ballistics Deferred
            IHOP $32.58
            Pizza Hut $29.66
            Legal Expert, Voice Deferred
            Golden Coral $36.89
            Security for GC Deferred
            Donation from Newbee $20.00
            Tower of Pizzas $42.33
            Target $325.33
            Security to Target Deferred
            Game Stop $165.30

            That look about right ??

          • I didn’t know Golden Corrral delivered, being as they aren’t safe in public……then again maybe they do deliver…..for an extra charge 🙂

          • racerrodig says:

            Oh he had Osterman drive them there……Dutch Treat of course !!

      • looneydoone says:

        you forgot to list the i-tunes downloads, new video games, and a jump rope in this week’s expenditures.

      • aussie says:

        He should post his daily accounts on a site that CHARGES PER VIEW. People would pay a bit just for the daily laughs.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Money flushed down a black hole, IMHO.

      • Xena says:

        That averages $32.50 per person, which means that GZ needs at least 932 people sending him $32.50 every month to reach his goal of $30,000. Heck, Piercy could barely get that many people in 30 days to sign his petition.

        • racerrodig says:

          “Trayvon was on Double Secret Probation!” Exactly…

          Trust me when I say they did NOT get that much in donations. It’s a ploy to induce…..

          He’s got about 20 people who actually support him.

      • groans says:

        @ Xena re: The killer “needs at least 932 people sending him $32.50 every month to reach his goal of $30,000.”

        I like the way your calculation brings home the reality of what it really takes to collect donations of the magnitude the defense team is talking about! And SUSTAINING that level of mooching month after month after month after month after month … !!??

        (Don’t know how many months to repeat, since the defense will also want continuance after continuance after continuance for their loser case!!)

        But – hey – with all this new experience for his resume, maybe O’Mara can find a new career with public radio fundraising after his law practice has been used up, sucked dry, and bankrupted by his toxic client’s debts.

        • Xena says:

          @groans. Yep. Continuance after continuance because they need more money and more money. After GZ is sentenced, they will beg for ShelLIE until she too is behind bars. Then they will beg for the dog, then the goldfish, then to pay for the storage unit for their civilian clothes.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I think it’s a shame that people are donating anything to him. where were their donations for Casey Anthony, the Holmes dude and all the other gun violence murderers. only in this country will you see BS such as this going on. these people are only donating to him because of the color of his victims skin because, they all know he is guilty of murdering a 17 year old child. this case further proves that racism in this country will never be a thing of the past and, how shameful that really is!

      I feel so bad for Trayvon as well as his family because of the way he/they are being treated by a group of white racist thugs, who are showing the rest of the world the ways of *IGNORANCE* in this country.

      • racerrodig says:

        Here’s the deal…don’t believe for one minute they collected that much yesterday. It’s all a game with the “….be with a whiner,er, winner..” routine. Trust me, I have my sources….

      • leander22 says:

        Then it must be a perfectly planned game, in which AIS has a part. If you look at the bills more closely, you see they indeed stopped after 7/19 something. That means including planning and preparation and security bond hearing, they worked for Fogen only about three weeks. And towards the end the hotel bills go down too. Did AIS choose the hotels?

        AIS already raised the money issue, they had to deal with it straightforward.

        The timing is quite clever. They created a message about the fund, transparency. Numbers never lie, well one can slightly manipulate them. Two are firmly grounded in reality, a) the bond, b) AIS bills. All in all this shows not much left. By doing this he creates news. I am sure media has picked up on matters. That’s free advertisement. Many people learn Saint George is in trouble.

        Plus their next date on TV with Nelson is upcoming, which in turn will generate news and attention again

        And for that they offered quite entertaining materials. So there is a cliffhanger too, to stay tuned. Add to that that the Fogenhats and e.g. Jeralyn are quite worried and try to get people to support him. Over at the treeshouse they were even considering to start a support campaign on “enemy blog”, some type of all you need to know about the case.

        I wouldn’t bet, they won’t make it again for a time. But let’s see.

      • leander22……It had also crossed my mind that AIS was, in some way, involved in this too.

        • @grey winter sky:

          Instead of these idiots donating to that killer con man why don’t they dontate to this hero, my fellow soldier comrade Brendan Marrocco:

          Twenty-six-year-old Brendan Marrocco was the first soldier to survive losing all four limbs in the Iraq War, and doctors revealed Monday that he received a double-arm transplant on December 18 at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore.

          Brandan resides here in NYC, in the borough of Staten Island. I donated to his fund. He is one cool dude BTW! Of course my experience in the military was way before his, but I feel a kinship with any soldier of course. This brave man displays courage and a wonderful sense of humor. I want to tell all of you to please donate to this hero. When I get down and out, and think of him and what he lost and I cannot complain about a thing! This man is who thos nuts who support FOGEN should be saluting and assisting with his expenses! NOT FOGEN!

      • Malisha says:

        Racerrodig, If Hannity or one of his peeps kicked in five grand yesterday the total would work. This whole thing is a stunt.

        • blushedbrown says:

          @Racer & Malisha

          Excerpt taken from By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
          5:45 p.m. EST, January 30, 2013

          Zimmerman’s defense fund has raised $314,099.17, O’Mara disclosed, but its balance is currently less than $5,000.

          If the account was less then $5000 and it now Jan 31st they only acquired about $200 or $300 today. If that number of $5200 is correct.

          🙂 Nobody gave them $5000 today that was already in there.

          Smoke and mi rors, baby.

          or maybe I be wrong. 🙂

      • Deborah Garner Moore…..I live in San Antonio (Brooke Army Medical Center) and have seen so many soldiers missing both legs, arms, horrific burns, etc. These are the ones that are able to get out. There are many that can’t…….. I don’t know why people are hellbent on supporting fogen and not others that actually deserve our support. I feel that fogen & fogenette should go to a homeless shelter if his papa won’t take him in. Or someone should donate a couple of appliance boxes to him….that’s all he deserves.

      • leander22 says:

        leander22……It had also crossed my mind that AIS was, in some way, involved in this too.

        I should start marking irony. That was irony, gray winter sky. Admittedly fully aware of disappointing you, I lean slightly towards accepting that AIS may in fact have overcharged, may somehow have exploited the situation. I could even imagine a court ruling that they should have been aware Team Fogen couldn’t possibly pay such huge amounts regularly for his security. A very limited amount of people actually could. A good professional does not try to sell someone something he must realize he cannot afford. …

        But the world is full of possibilities. 😉

        • cielo62 says:

          leander 22~ you wrote: “A good professional does not try to sell someone something he must realize he cannot afford. …” You OBVIOUSLY have never dealt with a cell phone company OR a car dealer!


      • Lito says:

        I honestly think hannity and fox donated 200,000

    • Malisha says:

      I believe most of his contributions came from people who were all excited about the unfairness of the poor guy being blamed for having to dispose of a thug, and they came in at a time when there was big EMOTIONAL energy behind that drive. Then, after the emotional energy was spent, you had this morass that the excited donors were no longer really interested in because it had bad feelings (uh oh, he’s gonna do hard time and we can’t stop it) (uh oh, they haven’t got proof that the kid was a thug) (uh oh, this is embarrassing) rather than good feelings (Nobody’s gonna tell ME who not to shoot when I fear for MY LIFE) (Nobody’s gonna get MY gun away from ME) (I’m all about self-defense; you can’t put me down; I’m all American) associated with it. Then there were the silly photographs. The thimble full of blood. THe guy gets caught in lies. Stuff like that began to happen. And they also saw that it was a lazy guy and his lazy wife wanting to live off THEM and they have to work HARD for their money — the well dried up. WHen they have to pay real hard-earned money for someone else to NOT WORK and they aren’t getting thrills out of it?

      I bet the $5,200 was priming the pump. People who were specifically asked to kick in a certain amount so it would look, again, like this was HOT and people were crowding around willing to throw money at it.

      We’ll see. I think O’Mara’s coming toward the end of his list of “things to do to keep this from getting as bad as it is.” I predict a real bad case of PTSD for Fogen any day now.

      • whonoze says:

        “I predict a real bad case of PTSD for Fogen any day now.”

        You meant to say O’Mara, right?

      • leander22 says:

        No, whonoze, Malisha definitively meant poor suffering Saint George (“Saint Trayvon” made me mad, so why not?) and his post traumatic stress disorder.

        Let’s hope oracle Malisha is not correct, I would even hate to see Nelson rule for the continuance (is that the term? ) motion. Let’s get Fogen over and done with by summer.

      • Malisha says:

        I meant Fogen. When he gets PTSD O’Mara runs to court and says his client cannot cooperate in his own defense.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        That 5200 could also represent just a few supporters kicking in a lot, or a few doing most of it. I chatted with folks in the past who didn’t care that much about Fogen but who were very concerned with the right to bear arms who chunked out 1k at a time to Fogen. There were a few people on Treestump yesterday who were surprised the kitty was so low and were pledging again . . . he’ll definitely get dribs and drabs, but I don’t think he’ll ever get 30k a month unless he attracts a wealthy donor.

      • Jun says:

        If that 5200 figure is true, damn there are still suckers


        cops always say

        “if you cant afford an attorney, one will be provided for you…|

        Also there are lies here

        “BAIL BOND — $95,000

        On June 1, the Court revoked George’s bond and ordered him to return to custody within 48 hours. George surrendered himself for a second time on June 3, and waited in jail until July 5 when Judge Lester released George on $1,000,000 bail. Traditionally, a defendant out on bail pays a bail bondsman 10% of the bond, and provides collateral for the rest. George was unable to provide collateral for the difference, but because Mr. Zimmerman had established that he was not a flight risk, the defense team was able to arrange for special terms. George paid $5,000 with money raised before the establishment of the defense fund, and the defense fund paid $95,000.”

        The defendant had that fund and paid the $5,000 out of the fund and then got it revoked because he lied to the court regarding his accounts and his passport

        We have all seen his bank account and he never had 5000 before the fund came forth

        • blushedbrown says:


          If gz, wife and lawyer DID NOT lie about the finances, they would of not had to pay the addt’l 5000 plus 95,000 for the million dollar bond.

          So the LIE cost them $100,000.

          For O’mara to claim woest me bullcaca, is insulting to my intelligence and the American public.

          They would have $100,000 sitting in that fund if they all didn’t lie in court.

          And I hope that Judge Nelson sees that!!!

      • pat…. 😆 …:lol: … 😆

      • Oh drat! I forgot a space…. 😆

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


        I am glad you did… I know how to laugh out loud!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Wow, thanks so much, blushedbrown!

      • groans says:

        CHEERS to blushedbrown for reminding us (and the defense team, which spend hours of its limited time surfing the web for blogs such as this one):

        The killer SHOULD have $100,000 more than he does right now.

        $100,000 MORE!!! How many of his donors see that much money in an entire year, or even two years???

        But no – THE KILLER CHOSE to scheme and scam a court of law. So all those generous supporters collectively donated $100,000 to a bail bondsman!

        SMH and SMH [scratching]….

        It’s hard to imagine there are ANY more fools out there who will give their hard-earned money to this lazy a$$ killer.

        • blushedbrown says:


          >>>>>>SMH and SMH [scratching]….

          It’s hard to imagine there are ANY more fools out there who will give their hard-earned money to this lazy a$$ killer.

          Smh three times!

      • seallison says:

        mountainmanpat — I do the same thing – donate my 2 cents and take great pleasure doing so. He loses money every time we do. Love it.

      • seallison……..Great thought!…..THANKS…… While MOM is figuring out how many people will have to donate a specific amount so they can keep going……..Wouldn’t it be funny if all the Trayvon supporters each donated $.02 so that the fund would actually dwindle bit by bit because of the PayPal fee for each transaction…….. 😈 😆 😈

      • SoulSistaWoo says:

        @MountainManPat… That is Hilarious! OMG!!!!
        I have never used paypal and did not know why you were donatting to Fogen and now i do and You are BRILLIANT!

        Each 2cent payment is a 30cent transation fee or 28cent loss for Fogen, *SMH* Excellent!

        • PLUS 45 cents in postage…and the cost of the personalized thank you card….in which he called me his friend…..I’m so touched by that, that my heart bleeds purple Panther pi$$.

      • SoulSistaWoo says:

        mountainmanpat says:
        February 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm
        PLUS 45 cents in postage…and the cost of the personalized thank you card….in which he called me his friend…..I’m so touched by that, that my heart bleeds purple Panther pi$$.

        Oh my goodness… so he automatically responds w/o even knowing the $ amount… he is so desparate for celebrity… OH! and Money… it’s always about the money.

        Keep sticking it to him Mountainmanpat… I love it… i wish I could bring myself to be listed among doners… But I am so very disgusted my this killer (can’t even refer to him as a man, when I think of how he tortured Trayvon.)

        I am routing for you over here!

  59. Trained Observer says:

    Professor Leatherman — Thank you for the backgrounder on the Green River Killer case. It’s insightful, and a plain good read besides.

    As for O’Mara, it’s increasingly clear he’s never been up to snuff for trying a high profile case, much less less a murder 2 that, when you get down to it, centers on well under an hour on that fateful night. He keeps digging for discovery that just isn’t going to happen.

    I like the way Dr. Phil boiled it down:

    An unarmed kid went to the store for candy and came home dead.

    There’s no mystery here on whodunit or where. What more need jurors understand than that to reach a logical conclusion?

    • whonoze says:

      They need to understand that GZ was not in reasonable fear for his life when he pulled his weapon and shot TM. The case comes down to GZ’s word that he was in such a reasonable fear, vs. the forensics that suggest otherwise, and the evidence that establishes his lack of credibility.

      • lurker says:

        Excellent summary!

      • Trained Observer says:

        whonoze — this defendant’s word means nothing because of all his varied, largely unbelievable, versions of what happened.

        Excellent points you’ve outlined for jurors to chew on, however, are icing on a murder case cake. The state has all required ingredients, while the defense is still diggin’ for nonexistent nuggets.

        But it all boils down to this: Fogen (with a documented history of aggressive behavior against both males and females) spotted, stalked, confronted, and coldly pulled the trigger on … into the heart, actually … an unarmed teen, Trayvon Martin.

    • I had heard that Fogen had sent an e-mail to Tracy Martin. Can someone here explain to me what in the hell was he sending this man an e-mail for??? I can’t wait until his cell phone records and text messages are released to the public so we can see how stupid he truly is!

    • “I like the way Dr. Phil boiled it down:

      An unarmed kid went to the store for candy and came home dead.”

      Yep, Dr. Phil nailed it.

    • Jun says:

      Also the SYG specifies that you can not use the immunity if you are the aggressor or in the commencement or about to commence commission of a crime or just finished committing a crime, a forcible felony

      I believe there is a good argument that the defendant aggravated stalked the victim, threatened the victim, forcibly confined the victim, confronted and attacked the victim, and instigated the whole issue because he indeed did pursue a confrontation with the victim as that was the defendant’s intent

      Besides, you do not have reasonable fear if you are chasing someone down with a gun, and the victim is pleading and crying for his mommy and his life, and you still choose to kill the person

      I believe the fact that the state can prove that the defendant showed no mercy to the victim, even after his death, is the grounds for murder 2

  60. Lito says:

    It seems the Omara circus is running out of diversions. Professor why are trayvons cell phone call logs released and not the defendants? Shouldn’t it be a two way street?

    • whonoze says:

      Trayvon’s cell logs were released voluntarily by the Martin family. IIRC, the judge ruled that GZ’s logs contained private information that was not relevant to the case, and as a result would be exempt from the Sunshine Law public disclosure.

      • Lito says:

        Thanks whonoze. Couldn’t they just redact unnessecary info?

      • kimmi says:

        IIRC, MOM pushed to have Fogen’s cell records sealed due to something that could be taken negatively regarding his client, possibly an e-mail to Tracy? I think BDLR mentioned something about it in one of the bond hearings.

      • leander22 says:

        kimmi, i don’t think an email to Tracy, but an text message about Tracy (or Sabrina or both parents).

        You are alluding to the first bond hearing when BDLR questioned him after his misuse of an apology to Trayvon’s parents, correct? In the larger context BDLR asked him, had he told anyone of the officers that night that he felt sorry. Fogen shifted lightly uncomfortably responding first he hadn’t, then he had, and questioned more closely he did not remember the name of the officer he told it to. Finally BDLR dropped this allusion to his text meesage. So I always assumed it could be some verbal slur against either Sybrina and Tracy, or both.

        I am very sad, I will probably never see it. ;),,

      • Bigdaddy says:

        What if his phone log show that he was called by Mr. Taffe or someone in the complex just before he made his first call to 911. Meaning someone may have asked him to check Travon out versus him actually seeing him on the way to Target.

        • racerrodig says:

          I believe we are going to find that there are many calls between Fogen, Taaffe, Osterman, Smith, SheLie and possibly more. The more I think about it, possibly witness 6.

      • cielo62….Now, now….you’ve got to stop reading that trash over at the outhouse…….

  61. Two sides to a story says:

    Wow, Professor. The Green River case was HUGE. I’ve worked in libraries and museums, and the process of coding all those documents into a database is exactly what libraries and museums do best with their collections.

    Perhaps OM hopes that Judge Nelson will crack the whip and force indigency proceedings and also deny a continuance . . . that would allow him a free pass out of the Fogen morass. And he’d get to keep all his perky new systems.

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