Featuring: LLMPapa Delivers a Knockout Punch

Saturday, January 26, 2013

With his latest video, LLMPapa perfectly illustrates the principle that less is more.

Behold a knockout punch in 52 seconds.

107 Responses to Featuring: LLMPapa Delivers a Knockout Punch

  1. Malisha says:

    “Shut Up” refers to “stop protesting and challenging my authority” and “tell me their names” means, “I’m supercop; reveal the names of the ne’er-doer-wells who assist you in your suspicious activities!”

    • As sad as it seems, I see a lot of similarities between fogen and a grown up Eric Cartman of South Park.

      Repect my authoriteye…..and all of Cartmans other lying, manipulating, racist (Kyle’s a dirty Jew) attitudes and behaviors.

    • Malisha, i still have a problem believing GZ really thought there was some crime ring. but maybe GZ was just saying that as if he did- to act out the scene like he’s an actual cop, *questioning* his perp? like on Law and Order when Elliot gets mad and throws a *hump* against the wall??

      i still can’t listen to the screams long enough yet to make out those kinds of things some of you guys hear.
      But i did hear clear as a bell “mom, help me!”

      That’s when my mind goes red, and i get this urge to take a flying leap off the balcony, pretend i’m wonder woman, fly to Sanford, then morph into a flaming hot pink incredible hulk. and as i’m stomping through the town crushing all the buildings in my way, i finally find GZ shitting himself, curled up and sniveling underneath osterman’s bed.
      then i turn into Karen the barbarian and grab him by his neck with one hand and bash his face in with my spiked ball on a stick thing with the other. while i’m at it, i’m asking him if this feels anything like having his head smashed into the concrete? when he doesn’t say “Yes Ma’am” loud enough, i threaten to shove his poopy pants down his throat, and right before i do that I wake up. 😦

  2. Malisha says:

    You got a fucking problem, homie?
    morphed into
    You got a fucking problem
    morphed into
    You gotta problem?

    “No, man, I don’t have a problem”
    morphed into,
    “no, I don’t have a problem”
    morphed into,

    “Now you gotta problem”
    morphed into
    “You gotta problem NOW”

    You can put these together in probably 40 permutations and every single one of them is unbelievable and ridiculous in the extreme.

    Here’s how it really went:
    “Why are you following me?”
    “What are you doing around here?”
    “Get off, get off, no way, get off”
    “Who’s been robbing these houses, who’s the leader?”
    “I don’t know!”
    You fucking better answer me, punk [or coon][or goon][or whatever]
    “I don’t know!”
    Shut the fuck up and tell me their names!”
    “Owwwwwwww! Mama! Help somebody, help, no please, I don’t know, no way!”

    • cielo62 says:

      GZ, the Kind of Contradicting Statements. “Shut up and tell me their names!”

    • Malisha says:

      I forgot one more version, which was: “Yo, you got a problem?”

      Yeah. An a55hole was running to the back entrance of the neighborhood because that’s where all the suspicious punks go to escape from their burglary escapades, and they all know the neighborhood real well, but then, instead of escaping through the back entrance like all a55holes do, this one instead yells, “Yo, you got a problem?”

      Yeah, that sounds about right, yeah.

    • Puck says:

      I have listened repeatedly to the original and enhanced versions of that call and I still can’t make out anything other than Trayvon. Is there a video online that clearly enhances what GZ says and maybe replays it with captions?

      • not as far as we have access to. but you can bet BDLR has the best FBI/CIA, ABC, PBS and NOPQRS audio analysts cleaning those recordings up.

        that’s what got west’s little panties in a bunch during the hearing when he was trying to get work product from the SAO- in the guise of ‘Judge you need to make Bernie tell us everyone who’s ever had an opinion as to who’s voice is heard screaming!!’ while he’s stomping his lil feet and flailing his arms around! mr sour puss!!LOLOL

        Thanks to GZ’s outragous standard of living costs, they’ve spent every single penny of the *defense fund*, now they can’t afford to hire an expert to come and lie for them!!LOL they wanna see how they can manipulate the judge into letting them copy off of the state’s paper!!

      • Xena says:


        I have listened repeatedly to the original and enhanced versions of that call and I still can’t make out anything other than Trayvon.

        Which are words that GZ does not claim he screamed. I can clearly hear Trayvon scream “I’m begging you.” I can also hear him scream “noooooo.” Others, such as Malisha, say that she hears Trayvon say “I don’t…” before that long “noooo.”

        IMO, GZ was not questioning Trayvon but rather, was making demands along with using physical force.

        Is there a video online that clearly enhances what GZ says and maybe replays it with captions?

        No. I’ve been working on the recording, but the redacted version released to the public omits much of what I suspect the feds have captured and enhanced.

        I can clearly hear GZ’s voice talking while Trayvon is screaming, but it’s hard making out his words until Jeremy goes back into the house. I distinctly hear GZ’s voice using the “f” word just before the gunshot.


        • @Xena:

          Hi Xena:

          Xena states the following:

          Which are words that GZ does not claim he screamed. I can clearly hear Trayvon scream “I’m begging you.” I can also hear him scream “noooooo.” Others, such as Malisha, say that she hears Trayvon say “I don’t…” before that long “noooo.”

          When I get an obnoxious response from the Z supporters and the Z family members on HP, I always make sure to post the last words of Tray. “I’m begging you!” “Mom!” “Helpppppp” “i don’t know!” I know it is taunting them, and they HATE IT! They never respond to it! That tells me that they are Z family members who change socks! I also make a point to always mention that Fogen NEVER in his interview with Detectives Serrino and Singleton mention that little dialogue at all! Isn’t that strange?? He never mentions once to the Detectives that TM was screaming, yelling and begging. If that exchange had not been caught on tape, he would still be lying by omission. I find that so interesting! The Z family (whom I suspect post daily) never debate me on this subject. They don’t even bring it up. They also do not debate me on the medical documentation because they know their is nothing from a reputable Physician who treated Fogen that night. Only a PA who stated, “Possible broken nose” and she referred him to an ENT, and he refused to be seen by an ENT several times. There were no x-rays taken, nor was an MRI or Ct. Scan ordered by the PA. What kind of medical exam was that? If Fogen was beaten beyond recognition, why would he not want to go to the hospital for an x-ray treatment and observation to r/o anything serious?? I am still waiting for an answer from the Zimidiots.

          • Xena says:

            @Deborah Garner Moore. Good for you! Want another issue that they cannot address? How did GZ get out of his truck so fast with his tactical flashlight? Why, in all of his renditions, does he fail to mention when he dropped it and why?

            When I used to comment on Yahoo, not once did a Zidiot attempt to address that omission.

  3. looolooo says:

    (((((((((((((((((((MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE)))))))))))))))
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. My husband is recouperating from a recent surgery, so we’ve been watching a lot of TV & videos (it’s on Netflix), and today on some cable channel, the Rodney Dangerfield movie “Back to School” came on. Seen it back in the 80’s, but thought we’d watch it again. All was going well, we laughed, we cringed, then the film took a VERY interesting and familiar turn. At about 47min,40sec, into the film, there’s a bar scene, featuring Robert Downey Jr. and some other no name actors. Long story short. R. Dangerfield gets into a verbal exchange with a guy covered in green paint (?), the guy threatens RD, ….. RD warns that his friend/henchman would fight his battles for him. The friend/henchman comes face to face with the green paint guy. (HERE’S THE INTERESTING PART) THE friend/henchman say’s ……”YOU GOT A PROBLEM”? the painted guy say’s “NO, I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM”, then the friend/henchman say’s “YOU’VE GOT A PROBLEM NOW”. Then the friend/henchman proceeds to physically attack the painted guy.

    SOUND FAMILIAR??!! I wonder if Fogen had seen this gem of a movie in recent days before he murdered Trayvon. Hmmnn.

    If ANYONE out there knows how to link the scene…. PLEASE DO. Unfortunately….I do not know how, or I would’ve.

    • racerrodig says:

      THe henchman / Limo driver / Body Guard is Burt Youing from the Rocky movies. I remember that scene well. You’re correct, it’s almopst verbatim.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Oh, Xena…..LOL!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        I posted the video and then saw that you already had posted it, Xena. I will go get gz’s reenactment now.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Go to timestamp 3:25 to hear gz recite these lines:

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Actually starts at timestamp 2:55

      • looolooo says:

        On the GZ reenactment video, he say’s the around this area is where his head was slammed, and Serino nor any other cops ask him to be specific as to EXACTLY where his head slammed onto the concrete. And shouldn’t there have been at least a reddish stain still there less than 24 hours after the fact? Does anyone one know if the SPD took photos of the exact concrete spot, or of the entire concrete walk way? Location to be determined later. I’ve never read or heard anywhere that the SPD has photos of blood on concrete. Everyone talks of how his cro magnon noggin was slammed, but NEVER exactly where.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Thanks looolooo. Here it is everyone:

      Go to timestamp 0:22

    • Xena says:

      Here’s sending positive thoughts for your husband’s speedy recovery.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


      • looolooo says:

        Thanks guys. He’s recovering nicely. Just put him down for the night.

        Wow. You guys work fast. Thanks for getting the scene up for all to see. I wonder IF it’s possible to find out if Fogen saw this movie some time around the murder. I wonder if it would even matter if he did in fact see the movie arond that time. I suppose if it could be proven, he could possibly be “sent up the river to do a stretch in the jug”, for copyright infringement. Yes? No? Lol.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        I am beginning to see gz sinking in quicksand, and every time he wiggles with another lie, he just sinks deeper down.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      • looolooo says:

        @yahtc……. thanks to those weighted boots from all that quaking.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Thank you so much for letting us know of this movie……no gz followed movie script.

      I am glad to hear that your husband is recovering…..may he feel
      great soon.

    • @Loooloo:

      So sorry to hear about your husband dear. I hope he is on the mend and doing well. You just brought back so many memories from the 80’s with that movie! “Back to School” was my favorite movie back in the day. In fact, I have that movie on DVD, and my daughters love to watch it! I remember going out to see it with my sisters and sisters in law. My mom was babysitting my daughter and I needed to get out of the house. Rodney Dangerfield belonged to that line of comedians who we will never see again. He could spin one liners with a straight face. He didn’t have to resort to vulgarity. He is so missed.

      Yes, I do remember that dialogue in the movie with the fight with the character “Chas” and Rodney Dangerfield’s bodyguard and assistant, (who played Rocky’s brother in law in the Rocky films) did ask that question, and then punched Chas in the abdomen after he stated, “You got one now!” Considering Fogen likes to attribute what he said, to Tray, he probably did see this movie later on when he was growing up and used those convenient lines. I put nothing past this slimy man. He lies without provocation and so does his entire family! They are still on HP BTW, changing socks, and the one assuming the name of Professor Leatherman, was just told to stuff it by me! They are so threatened by the Professor. They don’t even know him, but they fear what he says. That is because it is TRUE!

      • looolooo says:

        @DGMoore…Thank you so much for your concern and well wishes. He (thank GOD) is doing very well.

        Andy you’re so right about Rodney Dangerfield being from a generation on comedians with talent that we’ll sadly never see again. I also looooved even older comics such as Jack Benny, and ALL of the legens of comedy that used to do the Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts from 1974 to 1984. They were HYSTERICALLY funny.

        Some one as Wise and intelligent as our good Professor, SHOULD frighten those nimrods at Huffington COMPOST!

    • @Shannon:

      Trent Sawyer on Youtube produced a video of what you are talking about. He stated that he believes that Fogen tapped on the door of Jeremy and that Fogen was on their front porch. Trent believes that Jeremy and his wife did see Fogen, trying to detain Tray, and that they did nothing to assist. Trent also believes that Tray was screaming, “I’m begging you!!” to Jeremy and his wife and not Fogen! Tray saw Jeremy and was pleading for help and he just ignored his screams. Yes their is a special place in hell for this guy. I would like to know how he will spin that in court. If you go on Youtube, you will find it. It is very good.

    • MichelleO says:

      Hello Professor!

      I have a request: In the future, could you please put up a warning whenever audio will be played of that desperate and terrorized kid screaming, pleading, begging for his life?

      I have avoided it thus far. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night having that awful moment ringing in my ears. I sure don’t know how the Fogen family does. I have only heard bits and pieces, and plan on keeping it that way.

      Thank you!

      • I will post a warning when I post a video with the shriek and recommend others do the same.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        Michelle, you are so right! I had those screams ringing in my ears for days after hearing them last March. I went and signed the petition requesting a proper investigation– now I lurk here– and hope and pray for corrective justice, and comfort for this young man’s parents and loved ones.

      • i know McihelleO. I’ve only listened to it a few times and i try to avoid it. but i feel guilty sometimes about not having the strength to listen to his screams.
        it’s like i’m like everyone else that night who ignored him. i think about it like Trayvon screamed for help but NO one heard him!! NOT ONE of the adults that heard those pleas went out and pulled that POS off that boy!!

        Remember Jeremy? well this asshole admits he went out there and was close enough to see who was on top, who was wearing this or that, but then he runs like a little bitch inside and locks the door???!!!
        this is one of the most horrific things i could ever dream of happening to him that night too!! and it’s really bothered me since the beginning. i can’t stop thinking about how that must have felt to Trayvon at the time. B/C, i believe that Trayvon SAW that guy, and he BEGGED him for help!! and all he did was say ” hey cut it out, i’m calling 911″
        so, in my mind Trayvon, at some point after that Tray had to realize that NO ONE was going to come and save him. No one was there for him. and he was going die all alone with only his killer’s eyes upon him. That’s the most terrifying feeling i think. to scream out for help, hearing or noticing someone opened their door, had seen him but turned their back on him and walked away… i cannot not forgive jeremey.

      • @MichelleO:

        Hi Michelle! When you have a son the same age as Tray, and you listen to thoe pitiful shrieks of terror, and you know that, that could have been your son, it sends pain and heartbreak to your heart. I cannot imagine Tracy and Sybrina hearing their son calling out for his Momma, and she could do nothing to save him from that bastard Fogen! Then Fogen had the nerve to start interrogating Tray about the break ins, and that boy screaming, “I’m begging you! I don’t know, I don’t know! Mommmm! Help! Nooooo!” There is no way in hell that any man, father, mother, grandparents, sisters, brothers, etc, cannot be affected by hearing those screams of terror. This boy was begging for help, and no one did anything. Maybe, they were afraid, too, but hey! Someone could have yelled out the window, that they had called the police but no one did.

        Fogen had no idea that his voice would be caught on any tape recorder. He had no idea that TM’s screams of terror and panic would also be caught on any tape recorder. While Fogen spun all of these lies, the forensic evidence and that tape, speaks for itself.

  4. Valerie says:

    Thanks again LLMPapa…I have no doubt that the prosecution will have no problems showing that Fogen acted with a depraved mind.After profiling him as a criminal and after having being told by the dispatcher that it was not necessary for him to follow Trayvon…he did anyway and ended up shooting him…actually,according to his words, for no more than walking slowly in the rain.

    I have a request for LLMPapa…Fogen stated in his reencatment that he did not get out of his car at the clubhouse…however the clubhouse video shows that he did…he is seen peeking around I believe the front door…question …do you have a time stamp for that and can you possibly make a video?

    • This is the freeze frame from the one of the many videos that shows Zimmerman at the clubhouse. I’m not sure how the time matches with the timeline though. There are no actual time stamps, as I recall, on those tapes. https://twitter.com/JanaMirrh/status/224261825703849984/photo/1

      • tonydphotog says:

        @Jana – I tried to see the freeze frame from the link you provided, but your privacy settings won’t let me unless you approve me to follow.

    • leander22 says:

      Are you alluding to Amsterdam’s work? Amsterdam later joined Tschoubi since he realized that the video is much too low grained for that type of argument.

      If not, i would appreciate if you could tell us which video or camera you are alluding to, ideally also the time frame. Or the video time were you feel you see him there.

    • tonydphotog says:

      I think you’re referring to the front door video at around 22:36. I thought it looked liked someone peeking in one frame, too. But after watching it a few times, I now think it’s just light hitting part of the building outside. Possibly a flash light.

  5. ellejay says:

    –he slips up twice “YAHTC”.

    –reenactment: “he put his hand on HIS NOSE, my nose…

    –voice stress test: “he had his hand on HIS MOUTH, uh, my mouth..”

  6. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Outstanding LLMPapa!

    February 29 interview

    (playing a witness 911 call and questioning at the same time)
    Serino: You’re that voice in the background?
    Zimmerman: No, sir.
    Serino: That’s you. Are you hearing yourself?
    Zimmerman: Um, it doesn’t sound like me.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Serino: OK, right there. He smothered you, correct?
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.

      Serino: At what point did he smother you?

      Zimmerman: After…
Serino: Was it right before you shot him?
Zimmerman: Right…yes, sir.

      Serino: OK. Immediately behind the shot?

      Zimmerman: (sigh) I don’t remember.
Serino: OK.

    • tonydphotog says:

      At least fogen’s consistent on the voice not being his. It’s almost unbelievable how Fogen, after being so “badly beaten up” and “one second away from being spoon-fed by junior”, is able to give his recollection of what happened, and not be the least bit distraught or emotional. Makes me sick to my stomach. Whoever coached fogen on this scripted lie forgot to tell him to act emotional, as if it really did happen to him.

      • racerrodig says:

        I’ve said this before. Having played HS football and semi-pro football for a total of 13 years as a wide out and corner back and some safety, even with full gear, there is no possibility that FogenPhoole would be able to just get up and continue on with life as he describes doing after any head pounding.

        Just yesterday, while working on a customers Ford van, I slipped on the ice below the door and went down flat on my back and struck my head, with a ski cap and my hoodie up and guess what. I just wanted to lay there for a minute and decide if life was worth living anymore. My head hurt, both shoulders, my lower back, my left ankle and now I’m lying in a snow / ice mixture, it’s just about dark, my wife & son didn’t see this, it’s 18 degrees out and I just said………well, forget what I said.

        My point is this was not a “….oh shit….I just shot someone moment. I freaking slipped on the ice. I’ve had my bell rung playing football more than enough to know for a fact if Fogen Phoole had his noggin Knocked, he’d have laid there and said
        “…racerrodig….I hear ya dude……this freaking hurts……wake me in a week or so.

        How many of us fell off a moving bike onto the cement or blacktop……remember those ugly abrasions….6 inches long, 3 inches wide…..looked like red farm tracks ?? Hey Fogen, Gotcha on this one.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Yes, racerrodig. Yes. Yes. Yes.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        I am so so sorry to hear about your fall on the ice, racerrodig. I hope you feel better soon. Take care.

      • Malisha says:

        Exactly right. I fell on black ice once, same as racerrodig, and I had to crawl to a nearby brick wall to get myself to stand up again. One bump on the ground only, no force to it except the momentum of my own fall and I was both winded and wobbled! I couldn’t have “spread apart [anybody’s] hands” or “gotten on [anybody’s] back” or “asked [anybody] to call my [spouse]” or any of that. I was winded, a bit disoriented and hurting. If someone had offered to drive me over to the E.R. I would have gone.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Oh, Malisha….ooow!

      • Jun says:

        I drove a car and got rear ended by a car and I was dazed like hell right away… so yes, from experience I can say that head bounce stuff is a load of bloodclot nonsense

        • racerrodig says:

          I had my head bounced off a few football fields wearing approved headgear. I still can recall the team doc saying…..”..who’s the President…..who’s the President..while that acrid smell of ammonia from those capsules invaded my olfactory senses……so Fogen I don’t buy you BS.

          Had my bell rung getting rear ended in cars several times….Always had some headache of some sort and I was a Driving Instructor for a bit about 20 years ago. I was rear ended and my head bounced off the plastic sun visor clip causing a some pretty good bleeding and about $35,000.00 worth CT scans and MRI’s. monyhs out of work by the Dr’s orders. Oh, that’s right….I went to a real Dr. not an Assistant of some sort.

          • I’ve always liked filling out medical questionnaires where they get to

            “Have you ever suffered any head trauma”

            My reply was…”All of them?….or just the ones that caused serious injury?”

            I still have asphalt in my scalp from laying down a bike at 70 MPH, without a helmet.

          • racerrodig says:

            All of my vehicles have 4 wheels…..the faster ones, 6 for that very reason !!

            I can remember very well catching a pass over the middle and knowing someone was about to drop the hammer. Even expecting that shot didn’t soften it. We were taught to watch were they were coming from and protect yourself……..a lot that did…..

            So haiving ones head smashed repeatedly on the concrete must be far less painful than getting tackled on the grass ?? Just sayin !

    • elcymoo says:

      I wandered over to the ‘Last Refuge’ today after reading some posts on this site, and found this:

      mung says:
      January 25, 2013 at 9:31 am

      I still don’t get the logic of “the kid was crying and the crying stopped when the shot was fired”. Besides the fact that we all know there is no way Travyon sounded like a kid or a child, lets think about what they are trying to say happened. In order for Trayvon to be crying prior to the shot, there would have to be at least 40 seconds of George pointing the gun at Trayvon and all Trayvon is doing is crying. They are trying to make this sound like an execution style shooting. The problem is there are witnesses and evidence that says this didn’t happen and Trayvon was on top of George beating the snot out of him. So now we are meant to believe that while Trayvon is beating George, he is crying at the same time? Why? Who does that? Even Ralphie in a Christmas Story went from crying to yelling obscenities within seconds of beating the snot out of Scut Farcus. Which by the way is probably very close to how Trayvon was beating George.

      So how does anyone come to a logical conclusion that Trayvon was the one crying? There is nothing at all that even comes close to making sense. On the flip side, George yelling for help while Trayvon is beating him, is 100% logical.”

      How do these people think it’s illogical that Trayvon could sound like a kid, when that’s what he was, in fact? Why do they think that a 28-year old man would sound like a frightened teenager, especially when the re-enactment he tried of his screams sounds nothing like the tape of the 911 call by a neighbor? Have they even stopped to consider the claims that Trayvon had the defendant’s mouth and nose covered while those screams were going on?

      • It’s a waste of time trying to argue with them. I recommend ignoring them.

      • @Hello Professor Leatherman and the Family: Please do not respond to the nutcase above because the point of this individual coming over here is to inflame this peaceful board with the racist rhetoric from the treehouse. Why is this individual here in the first place? There is nothing to debate with this character.It is not worth it and my nerves cannot take it. He/she/it sounds ignorant, and stupid anyway. Carry on Leatherman Family!

      • Xena says:

        @elcymoo. They are skilled in starting with false hypothesis and telling lies to discourage others and to get their way. It is also used on a personal basis in hopes that their targeted individuals will be too embarrassed to show the abusive communications directed at them to others.

        Let’s take one sentence to show how they start from a false hypothesis.

        I still don’t get the logic of “the kid was crying and the crying stopped when the shot was fired”.

        You see, by Mung using the word “crying,” anyone who has not heard that call that captured the screams can be led to believe that it was low tone crying. It was not. It was screaming — yelling. Without first defining the terms, it will default to agreeing that it was mere “crying” and with that default agreement, what Mung has built on the false hypothesis cannot be reasonably addressed.

        Then we use must go beyond using Mung’s opinions and instead, use GZ’s own words to present questions;
        GZ stated that he yelled for help and when someone responded, he told them not to call 911 but help him restrain Trayvon.

        GZ stated that he had restrained Trayvon’s arm and wrist when he went for his gun. Why would there then be a need for him to continue yelling for help up to and including the second he pulled the trigger, since he had accomplished what he wanted by yelling for help, which was to restrain Trayvon?

        Is it logical that a person in fear for their life would stop “crying” after killing the person who they allege was beating them to death?

        Is it logical that a person screaming for help would stop after being shot in the heart?

        IOWs, we cannot approach what is logical until defining the word(s) used in the false hypothesis.

      • leander22 says:

        Why do they think that a 28-year old man would sound like a frightened teenager, especially when the re-enactment he tried of his screams sounds nothing like the tape of the 911 call by a neighbor?

        this is an interesting passage. So he notices that George’s renatement cry, or his series of tiny hastened barks are completely different from the long sustained scream.on the tape. This is the scream of someone whose voice has a lot more volume.

        And then this curious twist:

        Have they even stopped to consider the claims that Trayvon had the defendant’s mouth and nose covered while those screams were going on?

        Hello, anybody home?

        Did someone respond to the “sounds nothing like the tape” section, anyway? Why don’t you ask them how comes it doesn’t sound at least similar if it is the scream of the same man?

        They are caught inside Fogen’s head, since they consider this as a political fight, in politics people loose their senses occasionally. I am not so sure if Fogen really matters to much to them beyond this.

        This is their ideological backbone: Would he have called police if he wanted to shoot somebody, would he have willingly complied from SPD if he had something to hide? He was only But the “evil crowd” used protest and the media to have their way, and prosecution had to surrender to the demands of this lynchmob.

      • leander22 says:

        Sorry, forgot to close the blockquote, I hope you understand anyway were my text starts again. Should with:

        Hello anybody home?

      • leander22 says:

        Good argument Xena. 😉

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Is elcymoo a Trayvon advocate?

      • Malisha says:

        Deborah GM, Elcymoo was just quoting, and then destroying, the idiotic comment set forth above. There are no outhousers posting on this thread that I know of; occasionally someone here quotes from the and usually gets misunderstood to be actually backing their insane stories. I understood the issue to be that Elcymoo was showing how crazy the quote from “mung” was — not supporting it.

      • elcymoo…..I know exactly who you are talking about and have read it’s comments too. If intelligence could even be measured in that pack of dim-bulbs, “mung” and “knuckledragginwino” would share a 1/2 watt between the two of them….not too bright.

      • Bahama Mama says:

        I guess I should have read the Professor’s advice to ignore FIRST, but I went back over there, to see what other nasty things they were saying about me…and I responded to someones question to me about why GZ couldn’t claim self defense.
        So I wrote a response along the lines of “you can’t follow an unarmed teen from one side of the neighborhood to the other, with a loaded gun, be told to stop following, continue to follow, end up behind some houses, confront the teen, struggle with teen when teen tries to run, get punched, and then pull your gun, and MURDER the teen. Whose to say the teen didn’t think he was being followed by a CHILD MOLESTER or a MURDERER….oh wait he was”…

        Guess what? It wasn’t ever posted. I Guess the moderator over there is against honest debate. LMAO

        • cielo62 says:

          Bahama mama~ At least they respond to you. I saw one snide remark about “this new little jewel” with my wordpress link, and NOTHING. NOT ONE RESPONSE to my legitimate questions about the evidence.   Oh well. I’m not good enough to be in Trayvon Mafia, and I was drummed out of the drum circle. 😦

        • racerrodig says:

          Just take comfort that rumpole obviously swims, in baths in, cooks in and drinks lots of rum. Seriously…he’s out there. Not a lick of sense and very obviously one of those dim bulbs who thinks having the last word and refusing to post anything logical makes Z innocent. He said the Treepers are full of hate……what planet is he broadcasting from ?? Don’t we refer to the Treepers as those who on the Treehouse ???? He doesn’t even have the slang correct.

      • Mung Mung Mung your making yourself a FOOL again

      • Mung, mung, mung you making out to sound like a fool again

    • Rachael says:

      As a juror, I would need nothing else either, but the no regrets fro Hannity interview sure is a bonus!!

      • Bonus my butt…..it’s a slam dunk……

        Saying this AFTER he knew he had murdered an unarmed innocent kid…..That he wouldn’t have done anything different?

        I can’t imagine anyone on the jury hearing this and not feel disgusted.

      • Trained Observer says:

        The power of simplicity: Extraordinary, LLMPapa. And, yes, Rachael, the Hannity “No regrets … God’s plan” interview is a priceless bonus.

      • cielo62 says:

        Add the total LACK of DNA on Trayvon’s hands or sleeves, and you’ve got Murder 2, on a silver platter.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Wow, this one is REALLY powerful, LLMPapa. Two thumbs up.

    • A few things really bother me that no one ever mentions anymore. At some point Zimmerman slipped and fell on the wet either pavement or grass. Austin saw him lying on the ground alone. It seems to me the most logical time for GZ to have received his “injuries. I also have a problem with the blood on the back of his skull As the mother of 4 I have no problem with the amount of blood, Head cuts bleed like mad especially as it was raining and the rain mixed with and diluted the blood making it look much worse at first view, bu tI have never seen anything as odd as the way that blood forms a straight line above which his skull is clean. It looks to me as if he was wearing a cap or a sweatband or some such thing. It wasn’t found at the kill site. The blood pattern in the “bloody photo” doesn’t match either. All it shows is a bit of dried blood at the tip of the nose and on the lip. More like a fall than a punch. It looks to me as if GZ had used someone’s hose or sink to rinse off the blood from the nosebleed and scratches which he got well before he ever had any contact with Trayvon.

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