Featuring: LLMPapa’s New Video About Changes

Our beloved LLMPapa returns to center stage with yet another video that will have the defense team digging for the Rolaids.

Cross examining the fogen is a trial lawyer’s wet dream.

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151 Responses to Featuring: LLMPapa’s New Video About Changes

  1. PiranhaMom says:
    January 27, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    @ Lonnie –

    Good point about “smothering” by covering the mouth being ineffective. That the “smothering” hand can be bitten.

    Now all the Z-nuts that read the Professor’s blog can reply that Tryvon did, indeed try to
    smother GZ’s blood-caked mouth, and that George ferociously bit the vinyl gloves right off Trayvon’s hand. But GZ was scared spitless during the attack, which explains why the M.E. found no GZ DNA from blood or saliva on Trayvon’s hands when examined.

    Hmmm … which accomplice handed Trayvon the vinyl gloves before this encounter?

    Or did GZ carry them as a service by the Neighborhood Watch Coordinator?

    Strikes me that the only Hood the Neighbors should have Watched was the guy with the Kel-Tek … and attitude.

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  2. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm

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  3. Frederick Leatherman says:
    January 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    New Post Up:

    Featuring: LLMPapa Delivers a Knockout Punch

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  4. colin black says:
    January 26, 2013 at 11:54 am

    And if it were fact that foggen carried this hand gun without lawfull acredicated paper work.
    That would bolster the States case he doesnt respect the law.
    An we would have definitive proof by now.
    M O O……….

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  5. colin black says:
    January 26, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Tavia Anderson says:

    January 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Has anyone realized that his friend Osterman lied on the Dr.Phil show when he said that he helped Zimmerpig pick out the gun that was used to murder Trayvon????? How is that when the evidence so far has said that was Silly (Shellie) Zimmerpig’s gun? Professor is it true that Zimmerpig did not even have a valid CCW?????

    Not sure he lied.
    He helped both foggen an his wifey to aquire guns.
    That were compatable with there income.

    That was a lie as if that were true.
    Then they both would have ended up with water pistols.

    That said apparently those kaltech pistols are cheap an very very basic.Prone to jamming an other malfunctions.
    So as he helped both fogggen an sheLie to pick a gun to suit both there bugets.
    Then he wasnt realy lieing just confused.
    Did he even knoe foggen had grabbed his wifes pistol at that point.

    Just speculation /

    Theres confussion about the legality of foggens CCW Permit because a reund request receipt for some training was found amongs foggens paper work.
    Peole have speculated this is because he never took the course as his permit was refused.
    Although nothing this dolt does can any longer suprise mr.
    My gut feeling is he had a valid ccw permit.
    This is Frorida they would give C Manson one if he apply for one m o o

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  6. Tavia Anderson says:
    January 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Has anyone realized that his friend Osterman lied on the Dr.Phil show when he said that he helped Zimmerpig pick out the gun that was used to murder Trayvon????? How is that when the evidence so far has said that was Silly (Shellie) Zimmerpig’s gun? Professor is it true that Zimmerpig did not even have a valid CCW?????

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    • racerrodig says:
      January 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

      The issue of a valid CCW is this. He never took the state mandated classes for this permit YET he applied for and got a refund for those classes. That is in the States Discovery. When this went down, SheLie’s permit was revoked and had to be surrendered yet Fogens was not…..you can’t revoke was does not exist even if he has a scrap of paper. There is no name “Zimmerman George” anywhere in FL state files that shows he ever had a permit (Public Records) He’s screwed !!

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    • PiranhaMom says:
      January 26, 2013 at 6:07 pm

      @ Tavia and all —

      Re BF “I’d die for George” ex-cop Osterman … when Osterman gave GZ his immortal “Four Words of Post-Homicide Wisdom” it was “just tell the truth” instead of “get yourself a lawyer.”

      Telling GZ to “tell the truth” would be like telling him to speak Bulgarian. He wouldn’t know how.

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  7. mountainmanpat says:
    January 26, 2013 at 4:07 am

    More discrimination for Ya’ll….

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/25/16702026-cub-scout-pack-may-lose-charter-if-it-keeps-gay-friendly-policy?lite

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      January 26, 2013 at 8:08 am

      How sad.

      Two posters under that article good points:

      How on Earth can the BSA say to a charter, “either you discriminate, or you’re no longer one of us.” BSA should be ashamed of their stance on this.

      and:

      I don’t know the nuances of how the whole Boy Scout thing works, but it would seem to me that conditions are ripe for a big chunk of the membership to peel away and form a non-bigoted version of the Boy Scouts, using the same sort of program. It would probably pull in a lot of people who wouldn’t otherwise be interested, in addition to all the folks who belong, but with reservations about the situation. Just a thought.

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  8. Xena says:
    January 26, 2013 at 3:31 am

    This is one of my favorites by LLMPapa because he didn’t need to add anything to it.

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    • Xena says:
      January 26, 2013 at 3:33 am

      Just caught something — is it possible to smother a person by placing your hand over their mouth?

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      • mountainmanpat says:
        January 26, 2013 at 3:53 am

        fogen said it in the plural “Hands” over mouth and nose……while Trayvons 3rd & 4th hands were slamming fogens head into the concrete & while Trayvons 5th hand was reaching for shellies gun.

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        • Xena says:
          January 26, 2013 at 4:23 am

          Well — yeah! LOL!! But did you get what he said in that interview? He actually said that Trayvon tried to smother him by putting his hand over his mouth.

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          • mountainmanpat says:
            January 26, 2013 at 4:26 am

            Yuppers

          • racerrodig says:
            January 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

            I called that “The Octopus Defense” back in May.

            Want to hear about “The Diaper Defense”

          • Xena says:
            January 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm

            @racerrodig.

            Want to hear about “The Diaper Defense”

            Uh — no thank you. It’s too close to dinner time. 🙂

          • racerrodig says:
            January 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

            Later than….I’m heading in to wok some pork strips, peppers, mushrooms and some onion, a touch of garlic, red pepper, salt & pepper with Classic Stir Fry Sauce over rice…….come on over !!

          • Xena says:
            January 26, 2013 at 5:43 pm

            How about I send you my FedEx acct number and you overnight me some? 🙂

          • racerrodig says:
            January 26, 2013 at 8:22 pm

            I can do that !! And man was it good !!! I didn’t use any peppers this time, but the garlic made it.

          • Xena says:
            January 26, 2013 at 8:41 pm

            @raccerrodig

            I can do that !! And man was it good !!! I didn’t use any peppers this time, but the garlic made it.

            🙂 My son does his thing on the George Foreman grill. Mom is very happy to have raised a son that can cook.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm

            Kool, I do a lot of tghe cooking and my 14 year old helps quite a bit.

      • Lonnie Starr says:
        January 27, 2013 at 10:49 am

        No, because it’s a good way to get your hand bitten. To accomplish smothering in this fashion, the victim would have to be bound and immobilized. Simply turning the head left and right upsets the effort, as well as opening the mouth wide enough so that the hand slips into it, where it can then be bitten. There’s just no way to get a good effective grip, that provides the advantage necessary. Which is why killers go for the throat, which provides a more effective attack.

        GZ didn’t want to say that he was being choked, because that would be sillier still. Choked off breath would have compelled him to defend himself, while smothering by hand on mouth and nose is so ineffective no one wonders that it would interfere with his ability to draw his weapon.

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      January 26, 2013 at 8:11 am

      Sounds, like a confession to me, Xena.

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  9. Tzar says:
    January 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    he drew it in the right place the first time

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  10. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    January 25, 2013 at 8:34 pm

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    • Xena says:
      January 25, 2013 at 9:10 pm

      yahtc. Are you inferring that the Zidiots lack talent and dedication to GZ, and that’s why there are no videos on YouTube lifting him up? 🙂

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  11. You all have thoughtful comments says:
    January 25, 2013 at 8:33 pm

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  12. vickie s. votaw says:
    January 25, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    My heart welled up with pleasure when it read my favorite phrase, that was someone’s wet dream, 🙂

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      January 25, 2013 at 8:01 pm

      JUSTICE for Trayvon!

      gz interfered with Trayvon’s FREEDOM to walk home from the store unharmed.

      It seems that many of the zimmies have NO LOVE for their fellow mankind that happen to be “different” than them.

      .

      It’s the hammer of JUSTICE
      It’s the bell of FREEDOM
      It’s the song about LOVE between my brothers and my sisters

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      January 25, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      My post was meant to be a NEW post and not a reply.

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  13. colin black says:
    January 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    He had phoned both emergancy an non on an afull lot of ocassions.
    Somehere the wee recorded message must have sank in that all calls are recorded.

    He was writting his own play by play of what he considered was going to be a trumphant take down of a baddie .
    Like on tv C O P S Badguys bad guys whatt ya gonna do .
    Big bad foggens comein after you.

    He had no idea that Trayvon had neither read the script,
    Nor was he cast in the right role.
    Far from being a bad guy was just a Kid returning from the shops .Returning to his own lawfull abode.

    When it went so disaterously wrong foggen reverted to type an blurted out any self serveing bs he thought could worm him out of
    A COUNT A BILLY TAY.

    He lied an lied some more as his comfort levels grew.
    The more he grew into his heroic charecter defying death from a brutal street thug.
    The more he elaberated on events.
    By the time he got to the reconstuction he was confident he was just going through proceadure.
    Nothing was ever going to come from his actions.
    He had a verified good kill.
    He could say his attacker was a muggger or doing pirouettes dressed in a tu tu.
    Who cares no one could doubt his story as the only liveing wittness.
    No one would ever see this reconstruction tape or read his statements.
    He could say an do as he wanted an he appeared to have gotten away with it.
    Untill Trayvons Parents doubted his version of events.
    And refused to let matters drop.

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    • shannoninmiami says:
      January 25, 2013 at 4:01 pm

      yeah, sux to be him! i was just listening to the jail calls and he is still-even though he’s arrested, he’s still confident! right after he gets arrested his father has a meeting apparently w/omar and now he thinks PapaZ and omar are gonna put this little inconvenience to bed, so he can get busy being the proper millionaire he is FINALLY is. and shellie is right there telling him how much he deserves it!! oh how mistaken he is.

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    • racerrodig says:
      January 25, 2013 at 6:42 pm

      Imagine with all of this if Fogen went all the way up to grabbing Trayvon who happened to be 45 lbs heavier and a boxer.

      Here is Fogen with his gun drawn, detains a kid, spins him around, grabs his hoodie, and Trayvon punches his lights out.

      Somebody calls the police who show up and there lies Fogen, out cold with his gun in his hand and one round in the chamber.

      Fast forward to the evidence that has hoodie fibers on Fogens left hand……..

      Couple that to his NEN call !!!!! Ohhhh Yeah !! BUT the best scenario would be if he’d blown his left hand to pieces. Yep, explain that as self defense !!

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    • seallison says:
      January 26, 2013 at 12:31 am

      This is exactly why I say Fogen did not leave his vehicle to watch Trayvon Martin until LE arrived. He knew he could not detain him. He left his truck for one purpose and he was confident. He thought he WAS going to get himself a THUG (because he thinks all black kids in the neighbourhood are thugs) and he was confident it was going to be in his favour. He honestly believed he was going to get away with it. And, you know what —- he almost did.

      You are so right!

      ps – Happy Rabby Burns Night, colin

      Just got back from my Bashed Neeps, Chapped Tatties, and Haggis. A great night.

      pss – Happy Australia Day for those Down Under!

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  14. Frederick Leatherman says:
    January 25, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    New Post Up:

    The Defendant in the Trayvon Martin Murder Case Has a Constitutional Right to Defend Himself

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  15. LLMPapa says:
    January 25, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    PYorck says:
    January 25, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Besides the problems with the timeline, circling a car is something that seems more reasonable when you don’t think about it much. If you try it in real life it is actually a pretty lengthy and awkward manoeuver.

    Lengthy is certainly the case here.

    According to Google Earth, it’s 167′ from the “T” to where GZ says he parked. 167′ there AND 167′ back PLUS the distance of the actual circling adds up to 350′ this circling story adds to the 500′ from the Clubhouse to the “T” described by ZImmerman. Every inch of which was supposedly accomplished in a 46 second span BEFORE GZ even got out of his truck!

    Remember Trayvon Martin, Rocket Man?

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    • shannoninmiami says:
      January 25, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      OMG that’s too much!! LOLOLO too funny

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    • Xena says:
      January 25, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      Get him, LLMPapa. Gethimgethimgethim. Get George Zimmerman.

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    • Lonnie Starr says:
      January 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

      And the answer is: A genuine Charlie Coyote, Acme brand, “Jumpin Jimminy Skipping Rocket Pack”. GZ didn’t see Trayvon as he walked back to the T, because Trayvon was actually hovering overhead. Then super TM mounted GZ, it’s a good thing GZ learned how to super shimmy at his weekly crocheting circle. Being able to shimmy 40 feet with Trayvon mounted on top of him and beating his head on that piece of concrete that managed to follow them south, sure came in handy. Oh, and he got his gun from Grandma’s Little Thunder Stick Shop. Funny the witnesses weren’t able to see who was on top because GZ was wearing his halo that night.

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  16. Chocolate Diva says:
    January 25, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    He does it again. Papa you is AWESOME 🙂

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  17. Two sides to a story says:
    January 25, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    By the way, as I said in the other thread, LLMPapa is so good, Diwataman from the Treestump did a pro-Fogen video in his style! What a compliment!

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  18. Lonnie Starr says:
    January 25, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    follow

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  19. PYorck says:
    January 25, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Besides the problems with the timeline, circling a car is something that seems more reasonable when you don’t think about it much. If you try it in real life it is actually a pretty lengthy and awkward manoeuver.

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    • Eric says:
      January 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm

      It is an akward manoeuver, but why in the world would a person on foot circle a car that’s following them? The idea is absurd, and completely unbelievable.

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    • Xena says:
      January 25, 2013 at 4:18 pm

      I hope to God that Trayvon took a picture of GZ in his truck with his cell phone, and the State has that mug with how it appeared staring at Trayvon.

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      • racerrodig says:
        January 25, 2013 at 6:49 pm

        That would be cool but FogenPhoole would have stated that and we’d probably know about it by now…Interesting thought however.

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        • Xena says:
          January 25, 2013 at 7:23 pm

          @racerrodig.

          That would be cool but FogenPhoole would have stated that and we’d probably know about it by now…Interesting thought however.

          How about “He’s got something in his hand”?

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          • racerrodig says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm

            “How about “He’s got something in his hand”?”

            Yep….a cell phone and a bag with Skittles and Iced Tea !! Both hands in fact !!

            Next thing we know Fogen will say Trayvon was flipping him off in a very threatening way……It’s coming.

          • jm says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm

            “How about “He’s got something in his hand”?”

            Maybe Trayvon did take a cellphone picture of the creepy guy following him.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:43 pm

            Maybe, but at night the flash would have forced Fogen to say something and I think we’d all know about it. Besides the fact that Trayvon was on the phone with Dee Dee and I think she’d have told Crump about that.

          • Xena says:
            January 25, 2013 at 9:15 pm

            @racerrodig.

            Maybe, but at night the flash would have forced Fogen to say something and I think we’d all know about it.

            That would give GZ even more reason to make sure Trayvon didn’t get away.

            Besides the fact that Trayvon was on the phone with Dee Dee and I think she’d have told Crump about that.

            There was a disconnection in the calls. The call while Trayvon was in the mail shed was lost, and DeeDee was not able to get through again until 7:12 p.m. — right around the time that GZ was chasing behind Trayvon and then changed his plans on where to meet the cops.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 25, 2013 at 9:55 pm

            i forgot about that.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I hope he did take a picture or some video.

            Yep, that would leave a mark.

          • Xena says:
            January 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm

            @jm

            Maybe Trayvon did take a cellphone picture of the creepy guy following him.

            You know, Serino hinted to GZ that Trayvon liked taking videos with his cell phone. GZ replied that he hopes to God that someone did video what happened. He might get get hope, and then he can plea and start his sentence.

  20. Malisha says:
    January 25, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I’m sure when Fogen said, “And I told the dispatcher that,” he was presuming the NEN call was not recorded. He probably believed that only 911 calls WERE recorded. Frankly, until this case, I did not know that NEN calls were recorded, but obviously, they always should be. You can IMAGINE how different the conversation would have been if Fogen had told Sean on NEN that Trayvon was circling his vehicle. Sean would have said: “Lock your doors and stay in that car; we’ll get someone out there pronto.”

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      January 25, 2013 at 11:35 am

      The fogen has only himself to blame for not knowing that the NEN call was being recorded. He was warned that it would be recorded at the beginning of the call.

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    • Rachael says:
      January 25, 2013 at 11:36 am

      The GZ supporters are so silly. They say he got out and followed because he was told to. They say that because Sean said to let them know if he does anything else that meant he should follow him to keep an eye on him. They can’t comprehend that “We don’t need you to do that” means don’t follow (which even GZ in his own handwritten statement understood) but they think “let us know if he does anything else means” doesn’t mean just that, but it means get out of your car and follow him to tell us if he does anything else rather than observe and report as would any other citizen.

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      • Eric says:
        January 25, 2013 at 12:08 pm

        The GZ supporters also don’t know that in Florida that “following” someone to the point that person being followed becomes distressed is called STALKING! And that is why GZ’s statement Oh Sh@t he’s running, and he ran, is so damning to GZ.

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      • shannoninmiami says:
        January 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm

        i always thought Sean was saying ‘let me know if he does anything else’ because he couldn’t understand why this moron was bothering him about a kid in his late teens, whom had done nothing but walk leisurely though the neighborhood on an early sunday evening..!!

        my god! It’s not like this is some *posted* exclusive white ONLY Beverly hills enclave. or a 55 and over retirement village in the fancy part of town!

        gz had some nerve man! i swear it’s so infuriating every time i remember how he called the 311 on Trayvon as if he had no right to be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • seallison says:
      January 25, 2013 at 2:52 pm

      I think he may have called the NEN to ensure the call was recorded. His script was playing to justify his actions. He just could not get his lines right when the time came to recount the murder because he then had to go by memory. Same thing when going on Hannity. It is difficult when you go before a television camera unless you are confident in what you will be saying. Again, he screwed it up. He showed nervousness and a stiffness during that interview. He wasn’t amongst his perceived peers with Hannity.

      I say this because he had called so many times before, he had to have known the call was being recorded. This call was his on the record play-by-play. He never for a moment expected to be arrested.

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      • lurker says:
        January 25, 2013 at 3:50 pm

        I don’t think George is that kind of forward thinker. I think he called NEN because he wanted the police to come and pick up the kid who matched the race and image of who he believed to be behind all the neighborhood break-ins. And because he had a gun and a somewhat inflated sense of himself and his capabilities he made a mess of his little investigative errand. I suspect he envisioned himself holding the bad guy for the cops. I don’t think he even realized until sometime the following day that he hadn’t just taken out a bad guy.

        But, I just watched the Hannity tape again today. Does anyone else notice that he always starts out by explaining how he went grocery shopping after tutoring the poor minority kids? He almost forgot it on Hannity and had to go back and pick it up. Has anyone ever heard from the agency, or whatever, that sponsored these supposed tutoring sessions?

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        • racerrodig says:
          January 25, 2013 at 6:46 pm

          To me the mentoring was obvious that he forgot part of the script. He alludes to “….I just got done mentoring all these ba-lack kids that very moment and then I had to go to Target (someone) and along strolls this real suspicious guy”

          As if he actually fooled anyone….in fact the next day his Hannity affair was in the Prosecutions Evidence !! Hey Fogen, how did that work out !!!

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      • Jun says:
        January 25, 2013 at 4:13 pm

        There was also no rash of break ins

        The rash of break ins spiel was another lie from the Fogenhats

        Fogenhats did a sort of an attempt of a “SWATTING” call

        It is where a perp will call police to make someone look criminal to get them in trouble and potentially hurt with a whole bunch of lies and manipulations

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        • racerrodig says:
          January 25, 2013 at 6:48 pm

          “It is where a perp will call police to make someone look criminal to get them in trouble and potentially hurt with a whole bunch of lies and manipulations”

          This is a phenomenon called “Set up by cop” My dad was a cop for many years and this dates back to the 60’s. When calls began to get recorded, it got worse.

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      • seallison says:
        January 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm

        Lurker – His repeating the same lines is a tell. He has scripted lines. When he forgets one, he has to return to where he missed it the first time. His whole story is a fabrication.

        He didn’t call the cops to have them pick up a suspicious character. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong to detain him. Fogens background tells us he knows he is not allowed to carry and he knows he does not have authority to detain someone.

        I am just a regular everyday person, and I know you do not place yourself in harms way just to detain someone who has done nothing wrong.

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        • Lonnie Starr says:
          January 27, 2013 at 10:13 am

          That’s correct seallison, GZ had no duty or authority to interfere with anyone who was lawfully conducting him or her self. If someone had called him to report a suspicious person on the grounds, he should have merely forwarded that message to the police and went shopping!

          Those are the rules he was supposed to follow as a mere citizen, but doubly so as the Captain of the NW. He broke all of the rules he was given as a NW, and breaking those rules put him in a position where he took a life. He cannot claim that what happened was not his own fault! Since, as you say, he had no right to be anywhere where he went. His own breaking of rules and laws, led up to him having a gun on his person and available for him to draw and fire, all in error.

          Even if we continue to entertain GZ’s demonstrably false story, GZ had no reason to be in the area where his NW prohibit him from going, and having a firearm his NW rules prohibit him from carrying. While the law prohibits him from staking a person who he had not seen commit any crime. So, the law cannot recognize any reason for GZ to have engaged in the unlawful conduct he did.

          GZ’s various narratives do not provide any excuse or reason for his conduct! Thus, all GZ has done is chase, hunt and kill an unarmed youth for no discernible, legal or otherwise permissible, reason

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          • racerrodig says:
            January 27, 2013 at 11:49 am

            So the Zidiot Nation and Papa Z’s claim it’s not illegal to get out of your schruck and follow is bogus….Hell that;s what I thought all along. Not mention as illegal as can be while carrying a firearm which was in an illegal mode (one in the chamber) at the same time.

            Those pesky details, oh and laws, just keep getting tripped on by Fogen.

            Oh.not to mention none not actually having a gun permit to carry.

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            January 27, 2013 at 7:31 pm

            The trouble with having his wife’s gun on him is, he can’t have someone else’s gun by accident. If he has his wife’s gun then he had to decide to take it with him. Since he left home hunting for a person whom he believed might be in need of investigating, he purposely carried a weapon to do it, contrary to the law and the NW rules. TM was a stranger to him, and TM had committed no crime. There was no legal reason for GZ to create any relationship with TM at all.

            The relationship that GZ did create was illegal! Illegal because it was hostile and sinister such that it provoked and evoked fearfulness! GZ had absolutely no right to cause anyone to fear himself! Yet he did so brazenly and not only maintained his hostilities, but he escalated them continuously.

            Once Trayvon realized that GZ was following him or otherwise expressing an unexplained interest in him, GZ had created an illegal relationship. Much the same as if he had appeared looking in your bedroom window at night. The fact that he has not broken your window or committed some other physical action in furtherance of confronting you directly. He has presented himself to you illegally, because he has done so in a way that evokes fear. His approach was neither normal nor socially acceptable and widely understood to be the method of, or a precursor to, a criminal act of some kind.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm

            Back in the 70’s I watched my day arrest the local “Cop shop nut” who stopped a young man for questioning late one cold night. “Unlawfully Detaining” among other things. Poor guy was walking home from a band rehearsal. Same as Fogen “Probable Cause”

          • Frederick Leatherman says:
            January 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm

            The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.

            We know Trayvon was frightened because he ran away from him.

            And he confirmed he was afraid when he told Dee Dee.

      • seallison says:
        January 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm

        lurker – when we first heard who the killer of Trayvon Martin was, it was clear that Trayvon was unarmed, who had barely turned 17, and was killed walking home by an adult with a gun for no reason.

        As time goes on, GZ is convincing everyone that he is nothing more than an oaf. And, as time goes by, many believe it.

        In reality, he is a scam artist who definitely knows what to do when in trouble. He knows exactly who to befriend, and I could go on.

        Every one assumes his daddy helps him out — but, is it true.

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      • Dan Q. Smith says:
        January 26, 2013 at 1:23 am

        Set up by cop. That’s what it’s called. Yes, that’s what he did.

        Reply
      • gblock says:
        January 26, 2013 at 4:16 am

        “But, I just watched the Hannity tape again today. Does anyone else notice that he always starts out by explaining how he went grocery shopping after tutoring the poor minority kids? He almost forgot it on Hannity and had to go back and pick it up. Has anyone ever heard from the agency, or whatever, that sponsored these supposed tutoring sessions?”

        lurker,

        In the past, we have occasionally speculated on what was involved in “mentoring” those kids, and sometimes on whether the mentoring sessions actually existed at all. He certainly didn’t have good academic skills for tutoring, or especially good study skills, or self-control skills, or…

        Reply
        • Lonnie Starr says:
          January 27, 2013 at 10:55 am

          Nor does he mention anything about getting these children home before he left for the store. They just appear when needed then magically disappear when no longer needed.

          Reply
          • Frederick Leatherman says:
            January 27, 2013 at 12:07 pm

            That’s what we call well behaved children.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 27, 2013 at 12:59 pm

            They probably have “FogenPhoolePhobia” That’s where one is afraid to admit they know a Fogen. That would be foolish and embarrassing to admit to say the least.

            Of course we all know they are “Coincidentally Convenient Children” which we see in the movies when they are used a “Babe Magnets” Fogen thinks they will be “Exoneration Tools”

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            January 27, 2013 at 7:35 pm

            That’s what we call well behaved children.

            Lol 😀

      • Lonnie Starr says:
        January 27, 2013 at 7:41 am

        My point is, if as you say, he never expected to be arrested, who would he have to know, is already strongly on his side? A patrol man or detective could not assure him that he would not be arrested, because they don’t have that kind of power. They work in squads with a supervisor, so you’d have to have their supervisor on board. But that would not be high enough up the chain to ensure you won’t be arrested for a homicide.

        So, that is telling us that GZ had the top most people on his side. That would explain Serino’s bizarre behavior of appearing to tamper with witnesses. Since, by doing so, he makes it appear that he is also on board with the wishes of those above him, who have the power to prevent him from investigating if they choose.

        In fact, it seems to me that Singleton did something similar. She is probably the source, from whom someone learned that a narcotic officer was helping GZ. That person had not been told that by GZ, so they called his father to have GZ call back, so they could find out. Then GZ says, do you really think I would not have told you if I was getting help from a narcotics officer? So, it seems that, by time they realized that Singleton and Serino had run a fifth column on them, it was too late.

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  21. racerrodig says:
    January 25, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Now why would a fine “Role Model” like this lie about a thing like that. I think I’ll enhance the NEN call and see If I hear him say anything about circling. The time is 11:01

    Okay it’s 11:20 and I went over the NEN call with a fine toothed comb and here is what I found. The only reference to a circle of any kind is “…he has a button (something circular) on his shirt…”
    And “Retreat View Circle”

    So once again Fogen………..you lose !! LLMPapa….you’re the best!!

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    • mountainmanpat says:
      January 25, 2013 at 11:27 am

      So it is a given that we all expect a conviction…..

      The next question is…….Protective custody?…or General population?…..

      They throw him out into the yard? I believe the next we’ll be hearing about fogen will be his obit.

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      • racerrodig says:
        January 25, 2013 at 12:14 pm

        As they say in the Military “Confidence is high…..” and I’ll add ” on a conviction” He’ll be processed, admitted into GP and Dahmerized at some point withing 2 years.

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      • Two sides to a story says:
        January 25, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        I hope not. He’s more likely to learn something in 25 years.

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      • You all have thoughtful comments says:
        January 25, 2013 at 12:28 pm

        I seek justice for Trayvon.

        I would like to see our wonderful system of justice shine at its best during and AFTER the trial. It will be the jury (only) that hands down the verdict.

        Should that verdict happen to be “guilty” of 2nd degree murder, and gz is sentenced to jail…….then I want our American system of justice to continue to shine and not be tarnished by any form of mistreatment of gz as he serves out his sentence in prison.

        Reply
      • rayvenwolf says:
        January 25, 2013 at 12:45 pm

        @You All: If something happens to GZ while locked up that is not the fault of the system. It will likely be the result of his own stupidity.. I don’t wish him true harm, but I can guarantee you a real beat from a real thug is going to knock some sense into him GZ has issues playing well with others and thinking before he speaks/acts. Those traits are gonna sink him in the social hierarchy of prison.

        County is a cake walk compared to what lays ahead of him.

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        • racerrodig says:
          January 25, 2013 at 4:14 pm

          i predict a “Dahmerization” within 2 years.

          Reply
          • Xena says:
            January 25, 2013 at 4:35 pm

            i predict a “Dahmerization” within 2 years.

            I hope not. The best lesson for GZ is to learn that he is not entitled, is no one special, and is treated like any other prisoner. If he is Dahmerized, then maybe his family will seek justice and be faced with others saying that GZ was a thug and got what he deserved.

          • jm says:
            January 25, 2013 at 6:27 pm

            Xena: “If he is Dahmerized, then maybe his family will seek justice and be faced with others saying that GZ was a thug and got what he deserved.”

            Whatever happens to GZ in prison I just hope his weasel family is unable to make money off of it and they slither back under the rocks where they belong. (I am guessing that may be too much to ask of wannabe superstar RZ Jr.)

          • racerrodig says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:08 pm

            Because he’s an adult in prison, there is nothing the family can do and nobody to sue. He’s in prison as a result of a felony. In the real world that comes under the heading “Tough Titties” (pardon my French)

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            January 27, 2013 at 10:22 am

            Don’t worry, with his family waiting in the wings to sue for wrongful death, the facility will have no choice but to keep him in protective custody for the rest of his life. Dahmer had no family to worry about.

          • mountainmanpat says:
            January 27, 2013 at 10:28 am

            From what I understand….being in PC is about the same as solitary?

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            January 27, 2013 at 7:15 pm

            It’s not punitive so they don’t do things like take away clothing and bedding and do other things to annoy. Otherwise it’s exactly the same.

          • blushedbrown says:
            January 27, 2013 at 7:31 pm

            @Lonnie

            Jail:

            I think once he is incarcerated, he will be just another inmate to other inmates and be treated as such. Inmates do not tend to follow high profile cases, because the news is limited in there and its a different world once you are in the inside of a prison. News outside is not important to them. But once it does get around by CO’s, they will try and be his friend, but only for their gain. Such as pressure to put money on their books. Borrowing clothing. Borrowing food etc. If he doesn’t comply that’s when the bodily threats come in. He is worth more alive to them then dead. It is better to use and abuse, then to outright kill him in jail. JMO

          • PiranhaMom says:
            January 27, 2013 at 7:58 pm

            @ Lonnie,

            Protective Custody will be perfectly bearable to GZ, so long as they give him a large, full-length mirror. Maybe a tape-recorder, so he can play back the discussions he has with himself.

            A narcissus bulb in a pot for company, unless George thinks that’s just too competitive

          • Frederick Leatherman says:
            January 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm

            Heh!

          • racerrodig says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm

            I’m not hoping, it’s my opinion.

            ” If he is Dahmerized, then maybe his family will seek justice and be faced with others saying that GZ was a thug and got what he deserved.”

            They can seek all the justice they want if he gets whacked in prison, but they can’t even sue anyone……Ahahahahahahahaha

            As far as “…others saying GZ was a thug…” It’s being said now and I think they ar just starting to get a dose of reality. (PS I talked to my guy and he’s still working on that “thing”)

          • Xena says:
            January 25, 2013 at 7:25 pm

            Thanks. That’s a 10-4.

          • rayvenwolf says:
            January 30, 2013 at 2:18 pm

            I said early on that if GZ doesn’t keep his head down, his mouth WELDED shut and minds his own business, he’s gonna get got and likely by his own brothers in brown. Could he get taken out by a black gang member(or hell even a white one) ? Sure. His biggest threat will likely come from anyone “willing” to protect him from the others. Nothing is free on the inside and if you can’t pay up you will get it. < Which is another reason SheLie needs to cut her losses before she gets slapped with a charge for trying to smuggle in contraband.

            Not to mention the fact the cry now laugh later masks tat may draw some unwanted attention as well.

            The prison social order as designed by the inmates is far trickier than the outside world and GZ has already shown he can't live by true social norms.

            His best bet really will be to stay off EVERYONE'S radar.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 30, 2013 at 3:15 pm

            All true but he’s already proven he has to has to have a spotlight on him.

          • rayvenwolf says:
            January 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm

            So true. He will learn the hard way that county was the minor leagues compared to prison. GZ will not be able to out think or out smart the long haul crew. If he was smart he’d change his plea and hope for some leniency. However since we know very well that’s not the case, we can expect him to go away and fade from the collective consciousness of us all. He’s gonna learn that being a nobody on the outside wasn’t that bad after all.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm

            There simply won’t be enough butter and jelly to help that burnt toast of an ass.

          • rayvenwolf says:
            January 31, 2013 at 12:11 am

            Ow. I think I just ruptured a kidney laughing.

          • racerrodig says:
            January 31, 2013 at 12:35 am

            Well, I still have 2 and I’ll donate one since it is my fault.

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            February 1, 2013 at 9:50 am

            That, plus he’s a toxic person, anyone who believes anything he says, and decides to tag along with him, will find themselves embroiled in nothing but trouble. Look at what GZ has done to the entire city of Sanford, where the police chief and prosecutor and not a few policemen decided to try to hang with GZ, they’re all down in flames now, enjoying their own little pieces of hell. The City is in turmoil, it’s politics stirred and shaken and quite a bit of money wasted on GZ matters. The college where he took courses had cut him away post haste. Those who had the nerve to go on camera as his allies are now hiding in shame. His wife is facing charges, his family is now dependent on alms from fund raising sites that are all but abandoned. And GZ’s own defense team is in shambles, scrambling now to get out of harms way themselves. GZ has a rotten touch. Every thing he touches rots.

          • blushedbrown says:
            February 1, 2013 at 9:55 am

            @Lonnie

            Yes. Totally toxic.

            Link to amended Hearing Notice

            Click to access 2nd_amended_noh.pdf

          • racerrodig says:
            February 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm

            So we’re correct when we say “It must really suck to be Fogen” and “It must suck to know Fogen”

            You’re right..look at how much taxpayer money, millions, is wasted on a renter.

          • mountainmanpat says:
            February 1, 2013 at 12:32 pm

            To make it simple……”FOGEN SUCKS”

          • racerrodig says:
            February 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm

            A new cheer …..all together now “FOGEN SUCKS”

          • Lonnie Starr says:
            February 2, 2013 at 11:00 am

            If Taaffe and the boys thought they had to worry about what blacks might do to property prices in the neighborhood, just look at what Fogen has done to the tax base of the entire town. Sanford can’t be known as a good place to go any more. Give them a year or two and they’ll be entirely dependent on revenue raised from Trayvon Pilgrimages. To that end, they might as well start now and erect a 100 ft statue of Trayvon and a complete Black history museum. It’s either that or have the town returned to the swamp.

          • racerrodig says:
            February 2, 2013 at 11:02 am

            I heard that as a result of what Fogen and the Zidiot Nation are doing to FL as a whole Disney is leaving and relocating to Maine.

      • ladystclaire says:
        January 25, 2013 at 1:25 pm

        @MMP, he can request protective custody all he wants, he can still be gotten to by anybody who wants to get to him. Fogen has bought and paid for all he has coming his way. he should have left that kid alone but no, he had to be the big cheese of RTL and now he is in a world of trouble which he thought would never come to pass.

        He is not safe no matter where he goes or is placed in the prison population. I don’t think he will be allowed to remain in protective custody for the duration of his stay, which I hope will be LWOP. you go out looking for trouble where there is none and them you make your own, you should expect to pay for what you’ve done. if his old man had stopped getting him out of every crime that he committed, he just might have turned out to be a better person.

        But who knows, he is of the mindset that he can break any and all laws that he wants to and, he will not be held accountable. well, he just didn’t count on batting a thousand this time now did he? he is really in the major leagues now!

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      • ladystclaire says:
        January 25, 2013 at 2:17 pm

        I agree MMP, as the old saying goes, *you can’t teach an old dog new tricks!

        Reply
      • PYorck says:
        January 25, 2013 at 7:37 pm

        I sincerely hope that he will be safe.

        I think that his notoriety is directly related to the fact that he hasn’t been convicted. I think that will fade once he is convicted.

        His opponents won’t have to worry that he might get away with it.

        While he wants to be seen as the champion of all wannabe vigilantes, that only works if he doesn’t look so bad that they don’t want to identify with him. I am sure that 95% of his supporters will abandon him soon after a conviction.

        Pretty soon he will simply be a murderer and prisons are full of those.

        Reply
    • lurker says:
      January 25, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      George’s pattern seems to be one of embellishing on bits that he remembers in ways that he believes will help his case. Just as he threw in the suggestion of drugs and a weapon (he has his hands in his pants) to try to draw a police response, he took the detail that he recounted of Trayvon coming towards him (most likely walking past while Z was still parked at the clubhouse) and pumped it up to make it better by adding the circling detail. But, he confused himself. When listening to the NEN tape, he is pretty clear that when he says that he is still parked at the clubhouse (although he starts getting fuzzy and forgetting right about there–as he may be realizing the inconsistency)–but it makes a better story if Trayvon walks BACK to circle the vehicle. Likewise he took the detail of asking for an address and pumped it up into the dispatcher insisting that they NEEDED an exact address. And when the dispatcher asked what Trayvon was doing now, he parlayed that into them telling him to stay where he could keep eyes on him.

      Reply
    • Jun says:
      January 25, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      Much like his psychological profile, Fogenhats acts without thinking things through, and just acts, which is why his lies contradict each other and are inconsistent and just plain out lies.

      Reply
      • racerrodig says:
        January 25, 2013 at 6:59 pm

        In all reality, he makes it far to easy. As we say in the racing world, He cagged out, meaning he has no chance (to ever beat me in a drag race) because he’s a moronic, dimwitted, incompetent, stupid, idiotic, self absorbed schlubb. (Did I miss anything? I’m sure I did)

        He’ll cag out
        He’s cannon fodder
        1st rounder 1st round looser every time
        He shoots the tomato (looses all by himself with a foul start) Foul ?
        What a toad
        An overrevver
        Eats the fat one (blows up costing $$$$$$$)
        Panty waste

        Yep, he’s all of those.

        Reply
      • grey winter sky says:
        January 26, 2013 at 2:53 am

        racer & pat…..Because of the above dialogue, I’ve just had my best laugh today…..thanks…. 😆

        Reply
  22. mountainmanpat says:
    January 25, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Follow

    Reply
  23. tony reay says:
    January 25, 2013 at 11:13 am

    OH – what a tangled web we weave,
    when first we practice to deceive…..

    Reply
    • ladystclaire says:
      January 25, 2013 at 1:50 pm

      And he’s been practicing *deception* his whole life! getting away with his other deceptions is why he is in the mess he finds himself in now because, his *criminal minded* lying father always made it go away for him. I sure would like to know who the fool/fools are who didn’t pinch his fat ass and kept him from doing jail time right along with them. I would have kicked his ass and squealed on him at the same time.

      Reply
  24. jm says:
    January 25, 2013 at 11:08 am

    follow

    Reply

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