Open Thread: Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Welcome to the open thread for today.

Earlier today I posted an article titled, Why Has the Defense Team Gone Silent in the Trayvon Martin Murder Case?

Please use this open thread for comment and discussion regarding other issues.

80 Responses to Open Thread: Wednesday, January 23, 2013

  1. You all have thoughtful comments says:

  2. Two sides to a story says:

    Please join me in calling on District Attorney Brett Ligon to allow DNA testing of crime scene evidence for Larry Swearingen.

    In justice,

    Barry Scheck
    Co-Director – Innocence Project

  3. Rachael says:

    Nah, those effers are not racist:

    “What I do know is if I found myself under a 6-2 or 6-3 black teen who coldcocked me for no real reason and had broken my nose, I would have emptied the whole set of rounds into his sorry carcass. And kicked his corpse in the butt after I managed to get back on top, not just gently nudge it to see if it responded.”

    Excuse me please while I relieve myself of my lunch.

    • Malisha says:

      Wow, that guy is really brave. If someone got the better of him in a fight, he would shoot them with his big gun, more times than would be necessary to kill him even, and after killing him, would then take out his obvious infantile rage by kicking the corpse. Hmmmmm, wonder what that baby’s mother DID TO HIM to give him such rage. Did she stick her finger into his mouth (breaking the seal to deprive him of the nourishment) while he was trying to get his first taste of the milk of humankindness? Or did his infantile rage come from later on, when he was repeatedly beaten and humiliated as a child. My my my my MY, what rage!

  4. colin black says:

    On reflection I can think os no better place for fogen on Trayvons 18th Birthday.
    He sat in front of the camras and not only under the gaze of us.

    But Trayvons Parents pressance in the same room as his executioner/
    On the day there son child would officaly have become a manchild.
    Sends a powerfull poignant message,
    All Gods plan indeed .

    In our deeds we are known.
    foggens deeds are to lie an cheat an kill.
    An increase your lieing an cheating.
    No remorse no regrets

    We are not what we think we are…

    We are what we think….

    foggen thinks nothing of lieing cheating hateing killing useing the Lords Name In Vain,,,,

  5. colin black says:

    I was in tears watching last episode of Fringe last night J Abrahms at his best…Baldies aint bad there nothing compared to Fringe division …………….

    • Puck says:

      I absolutely loved Fringe from the beginning. Much like X-Files (which exists in the same ‘TV universe’ as Fringe, because mention was made in Fringe of the X division of the FBI having been shut down years earlier), they started with a ‘monster (or strange phenomenon) of the week’ which developed into the main story arc and mythology — though ambering did appear in a very early episode.

      A great ending, especially the white tulip in the mail, though I’m trying to figure out whether Walter’s going through the wormhole, which ultimately reset the timeline, meant that in the restored 2015 Walter would still be alive..,

      (Though that’s nothing compared to the baffling time-travel in “Primer.”)

  6. colin black says:

    You shall know the truth.
    And the truth shall set you free.

    Unless you are a lieing lowlife wannabe neverbeen.
    Then the truth will send you to jail untill you expire an leave in a box slightly smaller than a cell.

  7. Jun says:

    Not saying that just because someone knows martial arts, they do not deserve justice but…

    Here is an example of why the Conservative Tinfoil Treefort nonsense that Trayvon was a MMA expert is false

    Sifu Romain is a certified teacher and he would absolutely destroy Fogenhats and put him in the hospital, as well as disarming Fogenhats

    Sifu Romain is really quick, fast, and powerful, and technical with his techniques

    A martial artist expert, would have knocked the assailant silly, snapped a bunch of bones, and had the assailant in a submission hold until police arrived

    It is easy to see in the situation that Trayvon had no fighting experience or knowledge whatsoever

    • Jun says:

      Look what happened to a person who tried to attack and assault an MMA fighter

      His face was so messed up

    • Jun says:

      Watch again, how fast, quick, powerful, and technical a martial arts expert is when it comes to combat

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      How about that spinning back fist…….that’s really something.

    • Malisha says:

      I suspect Fogen had his gun drawn and ready with the bullet in the chamber by the time Trayvon faced him on the grass. No kind of kung fu, karate, krav maga, jujitsu, etc. will work against a gun. Those things you see on TV where the guy or gal sees someone with a gun and then kicks it out of their hand and proceeds to knock them silly while grunting attractively is bullsh^t. David James knew how to fight but he lost a fight to Trevor Dooley in a split second. You know that “rock, paper, scissors” game? Well gun beats them all.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Why don’t you send him an email asking him to do a demo on this case? That would be really interesting eh? To see what permutations GZ would have had to go through, if he had to draw his gun under the conditions he claims.

  8. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    I thought this was Don West, Fogen’s attorney, but I don’t know if he is a Jr. or if it’s a different Don West. It’s a complaint from the Florida Bar.

    Click to access 10-1223_ROR_ada.pdf

  9. Malisha says:

    Also Jeralyn Merritt is silent,
    and Dershowitz is silent,
    quietus envelopes the discontents…
    Who is guarding the captain?
    Who protects the neighborhood?

    Whooooooooooooo? 😈

    • Jun says:

      The Dersh aka the douche, although made silly comments, knows the law, and understands what he stated in public was out of order, which is why he became silent, because he legally knows his comments could get him in trouble

      However, the dersh made one last comment in the media, and it was to complain that the big bad Corey was threatening him with a lawsuit, and then he became quiet LOL

    • Two sides to a story says:

      LOL. Trayvon protects the neighborhood. that’s whoooooo!

    • Tzar…..I read it…..Outhouse isn’t saying anything about this…..can’t imagine why….lol When their “neighboring” web-site “Still self defense, still … ……” was pulled, they only made one comment about that (with a couple of mumblings following the comment). They seem to backpedal or spin tales when their heros are exposed for the idiots they are. It’s quite interesting (and humorous) to read their reactions as the evidence unfolds…………… twisting the evidence or spinning tales…..they must be really dizzy with all the twisting and spinning they do over there.

      • Tzar says:

        would love to hear a response from the treehouse

        I hope the state and the DOJ is watching all their shenanigans

      • Malisha says:

        Yes, and with all the twisting and spinning I’m afraid they’re going to fall on their tushies and bump their little heads on the concrete. I don’t know if you’ve ever had your head slammed on concrete, but it HURTS!

      • Malisha says:

        “Still Self Defense” was pulled? Whose website was that, David Pierce’s? How did it get “pulled”?

      • Xena says:

        @ Malisha. The still self-defense blog was removed from Word Press by the blog owner. That person’s other blog was removed by Word Press for violation of TOS. I will not comment about the real blog owner, but he has been identified along with some of his comrades who also cyber-harass, illegally dox, and threatened to release false information that they illegally “doxed” to destroy those supporting justice for Trayvon.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      How great that jr and hahn CONFIRMED “state of the internet’s” video. Ha! Great evidence to confirm jr’s outlook and the type of “friends” he is attracted to.

    • Rachael says:

      Wow!!! That was fantastic.

  10. Aunt Bea says:

    Since the defense and prosecution, alike, have gone silent….

    Has anyone here been keeping up with the Jodi Arias trial?

    Jurors there (AZ) get to ask questions of the witnesses….

    I think I like that!

    • Malisha says:

      JURORS? Wow!!

    • Jun says:

      I do not feel any prosecutions have gotten into the media to try the case in the media, so what we have witnessed is fairly normal, and besides, it is unprofessional to try the case in the media, where many propaganda and schemes can take place

      • seallison says:

        Trying the case in the media is not the function of the Prosecutors as per ABA Criminal Justice General Standards Part 1

        Standard 3-1.4 Public Statements

        (a) A prosecutor should not make or authorize the making of an extrajudicial statement that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication if the prosecutor knows or reasonably should know that it will have a substantial likelihood of prejudicing a criminal proceeding.

        (b) A prosecutor should exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees, or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor from making an extrajudicial statement that the prosecutor would be prohibited from making under this Standard.

    • Dennis says:

      Jodi Arias is going to be convicted. As long as the jury doesn’t huff paint fumes justice should be served in that case. Just like Fogen, Jodi can’t tell the truth.

    • jm says:

      After 2 different stories by Jodi Arias (she had nothing to do with the murder and Ninja’s killed Travis) she finally confesses to killing Travis in “self defense” and juror asked was did Travis’s roommates have an alibi. Scary.

      • Xena says:

        Sorry JM. I’m just catching up here and hadn’t read your comment before I posted about that stupid jury question.

        • jm says:

          Xena: “Sorry JM. I’m just catching up here and hadn’t read your comment before I posted about that stupid jury question.”

          Stupid jurors scare me in that there is a possibility that killers go free, including but not limited to GZ, Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias. Watching HLN news today it appears 2 separate jurors questioned whether the roommates of Travis had an alibi even though Jodi Arias has already confessed she killed Travis and there are photographs to prove it. I am disillusioned regarding the mentality of people like GZ, Jodi Arias, and Casey Anthony and the jurors who decide the fate of these obviously evil people. Not sure because I am not a professional but it seems a jury of “stupid” peers may not be the best way to go and maybe a jury of judges who are educated may be the way to decide a defendant’s guilt or innocence.

          • Xena says:


            Watching HLN news today it appears 2 separate jurors questioned whether the roommates of Travis had an alibi even though Jodi Arias has already confessed she killed Travis and there are photographs to prove it.

            I heard the commentator ask if the jury listened to opening statements, because Arias’ attorney clearly said she killed him in self-defense.

            Some people are so distrustful of the system that maybe some jurors think that Arias was pressured into making a confession because self-defense sounds so dumb for her to claim with Alexander being stabbed in the back numerous times.

    • Xena says:

      I’m following the Arias case as much as possible. It is interesting that jurors get to write their questions for witnesses, and the judge then asks the witness. An interesting question was whether the victim’s roommates had alibis. Jodi finally admitted that she killed the victim and is claiming self-defense, so it’s not as though the jury has to decide whether she killed Alexander or not.

    • Aunt Bea says:

      At the risk of offending everybody….

      Have we learned nothing from the Professor’s tutelage?

  11. kindheart101 says:

    A short time out……….Beauty, something different.

    Enjoy, life is short.!topic/istagosthi/IDk8LTXcawQ

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I am going to save this link…..these have to be the most beautiful photos I have ever seen!

      Everyone, when you get to the site, be sure to click on P Conroy’s link to display the photos.

      • kindheart101 says:


        I just got back home a while ago. It is going to take me the whole afternoon to catch up on reading the new posts and comments.

        BTW……….you don’t look a day over 25………..:)

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        LOL, kindheart…….you are so funny! : 🙂 :

  12. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Under Florida’s Sunshine Law what happens after the trial to any released evidence that is not admitted into court by the judge? Does it get erased from the record or does it stay posted?

    • seallison says:

      TSTAS – The link is not working on mine for some reason.

      • Rachael says:

        Not working for me either.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Do you get a link on the page that says to try viewing in Google? That should work when you click it. I think this is because I dont’ use Adobe but use another PDF program instead, but you should be able to cut and paste the link into your browser – maybe not Foxfire, but IE or Google. Or you can go to the Talk Left Forums and click on the evidence discussion and go from the link there – that’s where I got it from.

      • seallison says:

        Thanks for the advice – I got it now when it said to try Google.

  13. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    We are all familiar with gz’s MySpace page. Was gz referring to Grace when he said he called upon his boys to help him with a little something with his sister?

  14. Judy75201 says:

    Mere curiosity, but why is it called the Southern “Poverty” Law Center?

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Because Dees sympathized with the poor and the vulnerable.

      • Judy75201 says:

        Is that really why?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        The following is a quotation from this link: History of Protecting Society’s Most Vulnerable
        The Southern Poverty Law Center was founded to ensure that the promises of the civil rights movement became a reality for all.

        By the late 1960s, the civil rights movement had ushered in the promise of racial equality as new laws ended legal apartheid in the United States. But the new laws had not yet brought the fundamental changes needed in the South.

        Blacks were still excluded from good jobs, decent housing, elective office, a quality education and a range of other opportunities. There were few places for the disenfranchised and the poor to turn for justice. Enthusiasm for the civil rights movement had waned and few lawyers in the South were willing to take controversial cases to test new civil rights laws.

        Alabama lawyer and businessman Morris Dees sympathized with the plight of the poor and the powerless. The son of an Alabama farmer, he had witnessed firsthand the painful consequences of prejudice and racial injustice. Dees decided to sell his successful book publishing business to start a civil rights law practice that would provide a voice for the disenfranchised”

      • Judy75201 says:

        Thanks, You All, but months ago when I was trying to find out specifically why they chose the word “Poverty” I did visit the site, but didn’t feel that the explanation was as pin-point as I was hoping to find. They could have used “civil rights” or “vulnerable” or any number of other words. I just thought there might have been a more direct reason for choosing the word “poverty”. Thanks again.

      • Aunt Bea says:

        When you think about the costs of legal/investigatory services, we are all at poverty level. Thus vulnerable.

        As a defendant that is……

        The State holds all the power from day 1…..

        In this case, we see that is a double-edged sword.

    • Bahama Mama says:

      “They could have used “civil rights” or “vulnerable” or any number of other words.”
      It sounds politically incorrect to use the term “Poverty” in it’s name now, but it was perfectly acceptable in the 60’s.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Yes, back then poverty was of great concern to the nation, since it was robbing so many of a chance to become contributors to society, and it was destroying so many lives because there were so few escapes. It was generational. LBJ’s “War on Poverty” was a very big and important program with large political support back then.

        The funny thing was, whenever the media mentioned poverty, everyone always thought Black and welfare dependent people. Even though there were more Whites living in poverty and on welfare as well.

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