We Shall Overcome

Monday, January 21, 2013

Hello, everyone.

Today we celebrate the reelection of President Barack Obama while pausing to remember Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., whose unrelenting commitment to the use of non-violent protest against racism and racist laws to obtain equal rights for everyone changed this country for the better for all of us. Without his efforts, the Congress would not have passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Without his vision and remarkable ability to express it clearly in words that gripped our souls, I doubt there would have been enough of us to elect an African American to serve as our president.

We have come a long way because of his courageous and visionary leadership and we should remember him in our prayers tonight.

Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., taught us that no one is free so long as any of our brothers and sisters are enslaved. Slavery has taken many forms down through the centuries. We see it growing exponentially throughout the world today, including our own communities and neighborhoods.

We are being systematically enslaved by debt.

First, millions of jobs have been abolished and outsourced to foreign countries creating massive unemployment that is unlikely to improve significantly within the foreseeable future. The actual unemployment rate is 22%.

Second, fraudulent and unregulated bank lending practices by the Wall Street banks that accelerated interest rates on home mortgages to unmanageable levels within a few years have pushed millions of home loans into foreclosure while clouding title on the vast majority of home sales since 2000. This was accomplished by the unlawful and industry wide use of MERS to avoid recording title transfers and paying the recording fees in the counties where the sales took place, as required by law. Notes and mortgages have been separated thereby transforming mortgages into unsecured loans with a clouded title.

Despite overwhelming evidence of fraud committed by and still being committed by the banks, our government has sided with the banks and blamed millions of individual borrowers for, in effect, borrowing more money than they were qualified to borrow to purchase houses appraised at substantially higher values than their actual fair market value.

No one has provided a credible explanation regarding how millions of individual buyers coincidentally were able to defraud the banks and persuade real estate appraisers, whom they did not know, to appraise the properties at unwarranted values substantially higher than justified by sales of comparable properties.

Third, the War on Drugs is being aggressively used to imprison non-violent marijuana users disenfranchising them and eliminating any realistic chance they might have for meaningful employment after they are released from prison.

Fourth, the government is focused on reducing the deficit, a policy that cannot create jobs and put people back to work. The evidence has shown that deficit reduction strategies cause an increase in unemployment. Consumers have less money to spend reducing overall demand for products and services. Given such an economic climate, it’s unrealistic to think that businesses owners are going to acquire new equipment, order new inventory and hire new employees. They will go out of business, if they do. This is why deficit reduction is equivalent to throwing gas on a fire.

If Martin Luther King, Jr., were alive today, I believe he would warn us that the persistent high rate of unemployment is creating debt slavery and destroying our economy. He would remind us that our government has a duty to protect us from those who seek to enslave us.

There is no great mystery to fixing our economy. Due to the high rate of persistent unemployment and associated poverty, there is a lack of demand for goods and services. People cannot buy what they cannot afford. Similarly, business owners cannot afford to increase inventory and hire new employees until demand for their products and services increase. This condition is called a stalemate.

Without government assistance, overall demand for products and services in the economy cannot increase when the private sector cannot or will not spend money to create jobs and put people back to work. By government assistance, I mean the government must develop strategies to create jobs and compensate employees with reasonable pay and benefits. This is the opposite of deficit reduction, but notice that it will substantially increase tax revenues over the long term.

The elephant in our national living room is the cost of our military misadventures.

Remember these words:

“Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community, which has constantly refused to negotiate, is forced to confront the issue.”

We shall overcome.

181 Responses to We Shall Overcome

  1. Malisha says:

    My friend just sent me this article by e-mail and I have to share it:


  2. Malisha,
    I don’t think anyone should use a disorder as an excuse.
    No matter how much therapy they get I am in favor of abusers paying the consequences for thier acts.

    I am just wondering if the killer was diagnosed with a rage disorder in the past.

    • Malisha says:

      I’d lay a bet that Fogen was never diagnosed with a rage disorder because his girlfriend who got a protective order against him bowed out after she got the order, and he got a reciprocal order against her, and she never did anything further, such as trying to get him convicted for assault or anything. So there would be no reason HE would tell any shrink, “Oh by the way I keep attacking people,” so he would not get seen as a candidate for that diagnosis. Pretty much doctors and therapists only see what you show them unless you come to them through the courts. Besides, Fogen thought he had no anger management problem (even though Taaffe actually said he DID) because he thought he was a great guy, a good guy, a righteous guy, and all the problems were due to other people’s bad behavior.

      SHELLIE has probably gotten knocked around a bit but SHE’ll never say so. Other possible victims are probably laying low right now to see if he gets punished or not; if so, we may hear a few more stories.

  3. seallison says:

    Here is one thing I have trouble understanding about the second amendment. If everyone has the right to arm themselves, how is it that everyone doesn’t have the right to bear arms.

    If there are exceptions to the second amendment, why are the gun owner associations hell-bent on claiming that the second amendment is NOT supposed to be infringed upon.

  4. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Maybe, on the next open thread, we can review how gz’s rage issues, ADHD, and medications could have affected gz’s actions February 26, 2012.

    • Malisha says:

      Great, because the DSM-V (Diagnostic Statistical Manual, most recent edition) just came out! HA HA HA HA HA!!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


      • Intermittent explosive disorder (IED) is a behavioral disorder characterized by extreme expressions of anger, often to the point of uncontrollable rage, that are disproportionate to the situation at hand. It is currently categorized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as an impulse control disorder. IED belongs to the larger family of Axis I impulse control disorders listed in the DSM-IV-TR, along with kleptomania, pyromania, pathological gambling, and others.[1] Impulsive aggression is unpremeditated, and is defined by a disproportionate reaction to any provocation, real or perceived. Some individuals have reported affective changes prior to an outburst (e.g., tension, mood changes, energy changes, etc.).[
        I wonder if he was ever diagnosed with this disorder.

        • cielo62 says:

          bonnie~ diagnosing GZ is easy: racist, murdering jerk! On a seroius note: do you think that would have relevence in this case? Diagnosed or not, he is still accountable for his behavior. Do you think the defense might try for some form of diminished capacity?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        That’s interesting, bonnie. Maybe, if the prosecution had been allowed to have access to gz’s medical records, we would know more.

      • Malisha says:

        Bonnies, “IED” is a new “disorder” that many feminists regard as a cop-out to manufacture excuses for wife-beaters, now that such conduct has become disfavored. When it gets legally disfavored, the “defense bar” gets it medicalized so that those who “suffer from it” can receive help instead of punishment, and so that men who, say, beat up their wives cannot be discriminated against (they’re disabled, see?) when it comes to custody and visitation. This has been a long time coming, first suggested and defined by the fathers’ rights guys in the early 1980s and finally, blessed by the psychiatric community and given its place in the DSM. The problem is that these guys who “suffer from” IED do not seem to “suffer from” it when they’re at work and their bosses are around (they do not beat up their bosses) and they do not “suffer from” it when they are socializing with people they like to impress (they do not beat up their friends or hosts) and they do not “suffer from” it in public places like the motor vehicle departments when they’re getting their licenses renewed and etc. etc. etc. But if they should “suffer from” it at home with the wife, she can go to the hospital and get treatment for her broken bones and he can go to the psych ward and get some help with his feelings. See? It started out being called “Intermittent Explosive Rage Syndrome” and developed from there. Somebody in the establishment didn’t like the word “rage” in there… you know, all those terrible connotations.

        I know of a case where a guy molested and beat his 11-year-old step-daughter and then got, as a sentence after conviction, a diversion program that sent him into therapy for his “disorder” and after 3 sessions with the therapist, she gave him a letter saying he was cured because he had “cried in therapy.” So you seem this disorder can sometimes be very easily cured; the disabled person goes to a therapist (choose carefully) and cries and EUREKA, it’s all GONE!

      • seallison says:

        And yet, they have guns. Good combination. Fewer will have it diagnosed fearing their denial of a license to carry. That is, until they harm or kill someone. That is great. Do you think you would ever have someone go to a psychiatrist voluntarily prior to a criminal act. Not likely.

      • Malisha…Re: Your longer comment..”IED” is a new “disorder”…
        ….Your comment is absolutely ON TARGET!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I am of the opinion, that the only effective treatment for IED is a frontal lobotomy.

  5. seallison says:

    Fogens wife hearing today.

    • seallison says:

      I should say – Status Hearing. Wonder if she will be there.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        What time?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Shellie Zimmerman – Detailed case view:


        Last entry:

        01/18/2013 DKSN AMENDED DOCKET SOUNDING [A] – DATE: 02/20/2013 – TIME: 0900AM – CTRM: 5C

      • seallison says:


      • Bahama Mama says:

        Surprise, surprise, surprise…Shellie gets a continuance! She and her attorney will drag this out as long as possible…just like GZ and O’Mara.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        (+.+) what a drag. 🙂

      • Bahama Mama says:

        LOL…Do you miss them? As CJ said “they make things interesting”…:)

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:


        • Xena says:

          ShelLIE is riding this out and the State is allowing it for reasons we can only speculate about. Funny that ShelLIE’s attorney has not proceeded on her motion to dismiss on the basis of lack of jurisdiction. If there is merit in her motion, then she should proceed to have the case dismissed rather than continuing it.

          I wonder if ShelLIE’s attorney is getting paid, while O’Mara and West are not?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Good observation, Xena.

        How is your day going?

        • Xena says:


          How is your day going?

          How thoughtful of you to ask!!! I’m getting ready to post a comparison of the Dooley case and GZ case to my blog. My phone won’t stop ringing, and it’s snowing which means, the dog (who is mixed Siberian Husky) wants out 5 minutes after she wants in. LOL!

          It’s good to be alive, feeling good, and standing for justice for Trayvon Martin!!!

          And, how is your day going?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        By the way, Xena, I know you will enjoy discussions with Bahama.

        • Xena says:


          By the way, Xena, I know you will enjoy discussions with Bahama.

          I’m sure. I enjoy discussions with almost everyone here — almost. 🙂

      • seallison says:

        The State answered her claim showing the defendant has no fight. Unfortunately for the Fogens wife, Corey DOES have jurisdiction. Her Attorney has given up on that one, apparently. Just a stalling tactic — again.

        • Xena says:


          The State answered her claim showing the defendant has no fight. Unfortunately for the Fogens wife, Corey DOES have jurisdiction. Her Attorney has given up on that one, apparently. Just a stalling tactic — again.

          The last time I checked the docket no answer had been filed, so thanks for the update.

  6. acemayo says:

    The teenage boy that a an light fixture fall on him after a few when
    they had him to the side he was bleeding real bad if no one was there to put paper towel to stop the flow of blood his head would have
    been cover with blood but GZ after a few minutes of his head
    would with a picture taken had no blood flow covering his head
    like he said it was.

  7. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    How many of gz’s earlier NEN calls within the Retreat were calls after dark?

  8. Ben Crump interview about his speech tonight. he’s such a southern gentalman.

  9. colin black says:

    You all have thoughtful comments says:

    January 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Very interesting, seallison.

    You might want to read the second comment (which is written by Garie Hillel) under the article at this link as to how Hillel views racial conditions in Central Florida.


    What realy weirds me out about weerzee junior an even weeergz
    Is to me they are obviously one hundred percent Peruvian an that shoulldnt even be an issue its there birth right.
    Papa Zim is not the bio Father .
    Not unless he as haveing relations with his Sister in Law.
    Both brothers are adoppted there Aunt is there biomother.
    Whom the real Father is who knows who even cares.
    Except they seem to care abouth ethnicity an care a great deal indeed,
    Not untill this tragedy happened an foggen had not a tactical torch shone in his face.
    Due in part to there own mendasity a virtuall spotlight has been shone onto this?
    None of those descriptors seems apt.

    What I am observeing an hearing from them is beyond surreal
    There not much I cant get my head around but they have me stumpped.
    Two Brothers growing up an show a huge dissconect from there roots
    Was it by choice or was it instilled in them.Outright hatred diss played towards Mexicans.
    To me Im a proud Scot an Celt an embrace an enjoy celtic cultute art music in genral.
    An would imagine proud Indian Cultures embrace Inca an other Southern an Central American cultures.

    Not disspargeing Mexicans branding them as theifes an cowards .
    Makeing constant complaints about Black People in your neighbour hood
    The guy is obviously a raceist an therfore even hates himself an his own.
    He has spent his entire life liveing a lie as has his brother.
    Denieing his own roots his own heritage.
    An now that his heinous mindset twisted phyce has snapped an exposed him as a fraud not only a fraud policeman
    A fraud as a decent American …
    Also a fraud as the white caucasian he has always potrayed himself to be.
    With an ironic twist of fate he is forced to embrace the Peruvian heritage he has always rejected.

    Couldnt make this up ……..

    • Jun says:

      I believe they are racist as well, and they believe in racial superiority and how it is perceived, and you can tell by how they present themselves

      They claim to be white when they feel it will benefit them

      Then when they feel being hispanic, they will then claim to be hispanic, and they will even claim to be black (I think the black roots thing is a huge lie btw)

      They seem to think claiming a certain racial characteristic belonging to them will free them of some sort of trouble I think

      It is fairly obvious to anyone that they are native hispanics (the culture of people who were in peru before being bombarded by europeans), although Junior could pass for being Arabic (& I would not doubt he will claim to be Arabic one day, just wait and see)

      • Xena says:


        …although Junior could pass for being Arabic (& I would not doubt he will claim to be Arabic one day, just wait and see)

        When I first saw Junior on television, I thought he was Italian.

      • looneydoone says:

        I live in Latin America. It is a true melting pot. There are no “native hispanics” , the native peoples are Amerindian, and they are the indigenous people of the 3 Americas. Fogen doesn’t “look” Amerindian. In fact, everyone I’ve spoken with thinks he “looks” E European…Bulgarian, Hungarian, “Black” Russian, Romanian

      • Malisha says:

        Bigotry comes in all shapes and sizes and colors and so forth. I married a Jew who told me (AFTER I had a baby with him) that he thought what Hitler did was essentially right BUT he was doing it to the wrong people! He (the ex) claimed that the Jews and the Armenians were two elites, just as high on his psycho-scale as Aryans (whatever THEY are), and therefore Hitler should have concentrated on ridding Europe of “others” that my ex omitted naming. A few years after I divorced him I discovered whom HE would have killed had he been given as much power as Hitler: Blacks, Arabs and what he called “Mixes.”

        A judge called my ex “A Jewish Nazi” but gave him what he asked for every time. That judge, by the way, was of German extraction. And very corrupt. Still is.

    • Bahama Mama says:

      Curious…is this true?

      “Papa Zim is not the bio Father .
      Not unless he as haveing relations with his Sister in Law.
      Both brothers are adoppted there Aunt is there biomother.
      Whom the real Father is who knows who even cares.”

      I’m new to this blog, but have been following the case closely, and I thought this rumor was unfounded. Is there a link to this information?

    • Colin….Thank you for the link to that article!

  10. seallison says:

    From Twitter – a number of things about Junior and Gracie have come to light. Junior has had a couple of speeding tickets and a DUI and Gracie had been charged with something before.

    But, what I find interesting more than that is that each of the charging papers indicate White Caucasian – Non-Hispanic.

    The families complaint has been that the MSM has portrayed them as being white. Then the family says they are Hispanic with Black ancestors. Just how is the MSM supposed to get it right when documents obtained indicate Fogen and his family as White.

    Only when it is to their advantage will they say Hispanic otherwise they identify as white when it suits them.

  11. colin black says:

    Some one we know is also handy with temporal lagana

    Or I dont remembers
    Dint see where he came from
    He came from the bushes.
    Oh by the way I just remember I was at the T when they asked are you following him an I said yes because I was in the area?


  12. Lonnie Starr says:

    A new thread at last, we shall overcome, thanks Professor.

  13. colin black says:

    OOPS thata a mista ta makea ubove.
    meant to post Elvis vt.
    Jodi comment drom another site..


  14. colin black says:

    Elvis is sighted alive liveing in
    margaret says:

    January 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Why would jodi buy a 9 mm gun after Travis was dead. In Session just talking about her having her possessions packed in car when arrestet along with 2 knives. She left 9mm in rental car…???

    Leave a Reply

    Enter your comment here…Wales.
    Works for the Pontypool Council as a road gritter.

  15. colin black says:

    bbc says shooter in custody no fataltes at present acording to local media outlet.
    Person of Intrest detained.
    Dont know if this is shooter or perhaps an acomplace.
    Collage still in lock down.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Oh no.

      • Xena says:

        Current report says 3 shot and one possible heart attack, and that it was an argument between two students who both pulled guns. One is in custody and they are looking for the other shooter.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        I just found that out on TV. Thanks, Xena.

    • whonoze says:

      “In a statement, Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s office said the governor had been briefed on the shooting, but declined further comment.

      Guns are not allowed to be carried on college campuses in Texas. But earlier this week, Texas Senator Brian Birdwell introduced legislation that would allow students to openly carry concealed weapons ‘on university property for personal protection’.”

      It won’t ever stop will it?

      This was a junior college campus. I wonder if both shooters were working on their Associate’s in Criminal Justice.

      How do you openly carry a concealed weapon, anyway?

      • Xena says:


        But earlier this week, Texas Senator Brian Birdwell introduced legislation that would allow students to openly carry concealed weapons ‘on university property for personal protection’.” [snip] How do you openly carry a concealed weapon, anyway?

        Backpacks with labels that say “Gun inside.” I know. It’s not a funny situation. And yes I agree — it won’t ever stop.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      This will go on an on until even the gun lovers concede there has to be better control over firearms.

      • cielo62 says:

        THIS is the kind of rampant gun-toting stupidity that I am surrounded by in Houston! NOT responsible gun ownership, but pure Hollywood cowboy bravado! These two morons get into an argument. They are BOTH packing heat on a college campus (illegal BTW), and they open fire on each other. Three bystanders get hurt. Goddess forgive me, but really, TOO BAD they didn’t just take EACH OTHER out! I’m not even sure after this that their gun permits will be revoked. Rick Perry is as much a gun-toting yahoo as these college idiots.

      • seallison says:

        Stevie Wonder tweeted today – he is legally allowed to carry a gun!

  16. bettykath says:

    Uplifting words but watch the actions. Will we see real live humans who made the decisions that the banks would launder drug money go to jail? Will the real live humans who made the decisions to commit fraud with mortgage derivatives go to jail? Will the real live humans who made the decisions to commit war crimes be tried and go to jail? Will the CIA continue to be in charge of the drones that illegally attack innocent people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia? Will the plan to send drones all over the USA to spy on us all be scrapped? Will the warrantless spying on all our communications continue?

    Will he really protect Social Security? Unless there was something in the payroll tax reduction that I missed, there has already been an impact on the social security checks when those benefiting from the tax reduction file for social security. (SS check amount depends on how much you paid in – less paid in, less money in your check and you never get caught up).

    If he really wanted to reduce the cost of Medicare and Medicaid and insurance premiums, he would do something about the exorbitant charges for frequently unnecessary procedures. (My mother was given an EKG every time she was in the ER, which was frequently near the end of her life. This stopped the second time I accompanied her when I asked why, was told the dr ordered it, and I insisted on speaking to the dr. They went away and they didn’t try it again.) And who’s to say they really did all the procedures they charged for? Solution: increase the number of inspectors/investigators.

  17. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    I love Richard Blanco’s inaugural poem (entitled “One Today”)

    Here is an exerpt:

    >One sun rose on us today, kindled over our shores,
    peeking over the Smokies, greeting the faces
    of the Great Lakes, spreading a simple truth
    across the Great Plains, then charging across the Rockies.
    One light, waking up rooftops, under each one, a story
    told by our silent gestures moving behind windows.

    My face, your face, millions of faces in morning’s mirrors,
    each one yawning to life, crescendoing into our day:
    pencil-yellow school buses, the rhythm of traffic lights,
    fruit stands: apples, limes, and oranges arrayed like rainbows”<

    For full text:


  18. Jun says:

    I came up with a list of defenses the Fogenhatters have used throughout the debacle of the man, the myth, the liar

    (1) The Al Sharpton liberal media evidence – well you know, Sharpton went on the liberal media which is owned by all the Jews, and that makes it self defense for Fogenhats, just wait till he sues them and enters in doctored tapes as his evidence

    (2) Make up lies about Benjamin Crump tactics – blah blah blah, there’s 50 Deedee’s, blah blah blah ping logs, blah blah blah Mexicans

    (3) Forgot about the gun tactic – well he grabbed Shellie’s gun to go out that night, but you know he forgot, in fact, he forgot he shot a kid, after stalking and terrorizing the kid… but hey, he allegedly forgot the gun, eh?

    (4) The I’m Black and have a white friend with a tan named Joe Oliver tactic – hey, Fogenhats has a photo of some random black guy in a really blurry black and white photo, so, it must mean it is self defense. He even has a white guy with a tan named Joe Oliver, who can truthfully say, that Fogenhats said “Goons” not “Coons”

    (5) Invent stories about Trayvon casing houses and stealing cars tactic – okay, so Fogenhats targeted, stalked, terrorized, attacked, and killed a kid for walking home with Skittles… but hey, there’s no proof, but Fogenhats and his co will tell everyone that Trayvon was casing houses, stealing cars, and stealing jewelry, although there is no such thing as this thing called evidence

    (6) The find every black girl named Deedee on facebook and twitter technique -because the Conservative Tinfoil Treefort used the search function on facebook and twitter, get this, they found numerous black girls named Deedee, so, according to them, it must mean, Fogenhats acted in self defense

    (7) The Carolina black guy twitter technique – well this means Trayvon drinks Lean, watches porn, and knows all 3 million styles of MMA in the world, while swinging for bus drivers… because the guy is black and he looks like Trayvon

    (8) The I am White defense – well you know it says it on his passport, and drivers license, and it is what he told cops… and you know white priviledge… maybe it will prove self defense in court

    • Xena says:

      LOL@Jun. Want to see a double-standard? I’m currently researching the Dooley case. The victim, David James, was on the basketball court with his 8 yr old daughter. The photo widely used by the media of James however, has him holding his daughter when she was an infant.

      What’s that O’Mara says about the photo of Trayvon?

      • Jun says:

        He cant really complain because Junior or whoever submitted all of Fogenhats’ teenager and kid photos too, into the media

        really does not change the facts, but anyways, that brings up defense number 9

        (9) Media bias allegations because they showed pictures of Trayvon as a kid, when he is a kid LOL

      • Malisha says:

        Brilliant point, Xena!

        How we all have to track every single thing they do!

      • Malisha says:

        Was there a big campaign to smear David James? I didn’t see any of that.

        • Xena says:


          Was there a big campaign to smear David James? I didn’t see any of that.

          Not at all. The media reported James as a 20 yr military man and father of an 8 yr old daughter. Although they reported that the daughter was not in custody of the wife/mom, there was no smear campaign of the mother/wife.

      • Jun says:

        Although Dooley is a bit of a liar, he’s not quite as bad as Fogenhats, so that is prolly why he only got manslaughter

        Dooley never dragged the person he killed through the mud, he only claimed it was self defense

        • Xena says:


          Although Dooley is a bit of a liar, he’s not quite as bad as Fogenhats, so that is prolly why he only got manslaughter

          From what I can tell, Dooley lied about two things:
          1. He said that he had no words with James, but witnesses testified that Dooley yelled and used profanity.
          2. He said that James had his hand around his throat. No witnesses saw that.

          GZ is charged with 2nd degree murder because he demonstrated a depraved mind.

        • Lonnie Starr says:


      • Malisha says:

        I found the Dooley case very peculiar. Dooley goes to the playground and gets into someone else’s business, that’s clear. James is belligerent and confrontational, that’s clear. Neither should have confronted the other, obviously, but Dooley started it. On the other hand, the daughter testified that when her father was on TOP of Dooley he was not strangling him but only “holding him down so he could get an answer.” An answer? Guess what the question was: “Where is the sign that says kids cannot skateboard here?” In other words, the “answer” had to do with the dispute between the two men, not some life or death issue.

        Still, I like the case for what it should have to say about Fogen. HE STARTED UP with Trayvon Martin so whoever was on top at any point during the alleged struggle between the two is not a very significant issue, if the Dooley case is any reference point.

        It does seem a bit ridiculous that these two grown men were fighting in public, to the death, about whether a kid was allowed to skate-board there or not. Damn!

        • Xena says:


          Still, I like the case for what it should have to say about Fogen. HE STARTED UP with Trayvon Martin so whoever was on top at any point during the alleged struggle between the two is not a very significant issue, if the Dooley case is any reference point.

          I’m working on a comparison chart now.

          For those interested in spiritual numerology, there was a 28 yr difference in age between Dooley and James. GZ was 28 yrs old when he killed Trayvon. Two and eight equals 10 and 10 is the number of the law that if you can keep in obedience, would make you perfect — but no one can keep in obedience to the entire law.

      • roderick2012 says:


        When I responded the other day I was reamed out by Dennis who stated that Dooley had pulled his gun on the teenager. Although that was not the scenario which I had not heard I did not respond to Dennis who went off on several tangents which included pulling the military card in defense of James.
        What needs to be emphasized is that Dooley was 5’7 160 and 69 at the time while James was 6’1 240 41 y/o at the time of the shooting.

        With that being said, I am an only child so I spent a lot of time around my grandparents and one thing I learned was that old people are usually cranky and they like to tell tales so I grew up with the attitude of basically ignoring them which is what James should have done.

        Dooley had no authority to tell anyone to do anything so I don’t understand why James felt he had to protect the kid. Did the kid with the skateboard even respond to Dooley or did James take it upon himself to verbally confront a grumpy old man?
        I believe that racism was involved in Dooley’s conviction but he should have been humble and not verbalized it.

      • Lonnie, re: National Pie Day……The first thing that comes to mind is…..Soupy Sales….. 😆

      • gblock says:


        No, actually, National Pie Day is March 14th. Invented by math teachers, this holiday calls for celebrating the number Pi by eating pie.

  19. colin black says:

    Beware of the Yellow Pearl.
    Late into the 80s thanks to there entry into free market economics.
    The Chinease ammassed vast quantitys of dollars trillions of them.
    They then contacted the Banks Finance institutions ect.
    And offered them the equivilent of free money.
    Vast loans at one percent intrest rates.

    Over night the loan game changed.
    People whom would never have qualified for morgatges an loans were approved.
    People whom would never have got a credit card were allowed multiple pre aproved credit cards.
    How could they lose with the money infused into the western ecconamy by the Chinease Goverment at low low intrest rates,
    Give the poor people loans at an inflated intrest rate way above the one percent they were charged.

    Win win situation right?
    Wrong theres a reason why credit was not allowed often you have to save people from themselves.
    Anyway the Chinease managed to bring down the western finaceial bubble.
    By useing our greed an avirice against us
    m o o..

    • gblock says:

      Colin, I do not believe that the Chinese bear much of the responsibility for the US mortgage bubble and the subsequent crash. The US financial institutions did it all on their own through their own greed.

    • Jun says:

      I do not feel the Chinese have anything to do with the massive debt of the US

      The Chinese even tried to help by taking on a huge part of the massive debt

      The image of the “yellow peril” is simply an old racial tactic that have been used against Asians since the Asians came in contact with other parts of the world, by racists

      Donald Trump is a perfect example and their usage of numerous “whistles” are examples, and some advertisements, acting as if “China will take over the world” is an example too

      You will even see it written and spoken by white supremacists, as they fear Jews & Asians will be running America soon

      It is nothing more than nonsense, and attempting to find a scapegoat, and propaganda to cause blood libel and hate

  20. Two sides to a story says:

    Another elephant in the room is the lack of preparation for the waning days of the petroleum economy combined with climate chaos. Politicians don’t like to talk about these. Carter was the last president to do so, and we saw what happened to him.

    We must remove big money from politics as well as not allow corporations to be considered people.

  21. whonoze says:

    This seems like the right occasion to hear from a different Robert Zimmerman, a minstrel born in Hibbing Minnesota in 1941. Any resemblance between this story and the incident we have just been discussing is not coincidence, but the curse of our national history.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      One commentator has written that this is a [ “protest song from the Civil Rights struggle that suggests the individual well-connected racist criminal is far less worrisome than the racist justice system that lets him off with a slap on the wrist.”]

      Here are the words to this song of Robert Zimmerman(aka Bob Dylan)——-

      William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
      With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ringed finger
      At a Baltimore hotel society gath’rin’
      And the cops were called in and his weapon took from him
      As they rode him in custody down to the station
      And booked William Zanzinger for first-degree murder
      But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
      Take the rag away from your face
      Now ain’t the time for your tears.
      William Zanzinger who had twenty-four years
      Owns a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
      With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
      And high office relations in the politics of Maryland
      Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
      And swear words and sneering and his tongue it was a’ snarling
      And in a matter of minutes on bail was out walking
      But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
      Take the rag away from your face
      Now ain’t the time for your tears.

      Hattie Carroll was a maid in the kitchen
      She was fifty-one years old and gave birth to ten children
      Who carried the dishes and took out the garbage
      And never sat once at the head of the table
      And didn’t even talk to the people at the table
      Who just cleaned up all the food from the table
      And emptied the ashtrays on the whole lower level
      Got killed by a blow, lay slain by a cane
      That sailed through the air and came down through the room
      Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle
      And she never done nothin’ to William Zanzinger
      And you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
      Take the rag away from your face
      Now ain’t the time for your tears.

      In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
      To show that all’s equal and that the courts are on the level
      And that the strings in the books ain’t pulled and persuaded
      And that even the nobles get properly handled
      Once that the cops have chased after and caught ‘em
      And that ladder of law has no top and no bottom
      Stared at the person who killed for no reason
      Who just happened to be feelin’ that way without warnin’
      And he spoke through his cloak, most deep and distinguished
      And handed out strongly, for penalty and repentance
      William Zanzinger with a six-month sentence
      Ah, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
      Bury the rag deep in your face
      For now’s the time for your tears.

  22. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Even before the present economic crisis we saw that Affirmative Action which helped the upward mobility of minorities was being challenge. Why was this? Could there a really have been a hidden agenda by racist leadership to stop this upward mobility? Could racist leadership have encouraged friction under the guise of “reverse discrimination” , thus encouraging people to claim “reverse discrimination”?

    • Jun says:

      Even the claim is grammatically stupid

      What is the reverse of discrimination?

      But yes, there has always been some people who are racist and do not agree with the global society of the present


      they are a dying minority now, the racist mindset people

      • Xena says:

        @Jun. You might want to check out the following for cases involving reverse discrimination.


      • Malisha says:

        Privileged people scream that you are taking away their PRIVILEGES when you simply give other people their RIGHTS.

        That’s the structure of the screaming about “reverse discrimination.”

      • Jun says:


        I guess you can not tell a rhetorical question over the net

        But my intent was rhetorical because

        Reverse means the opposite direction of

        so a reverse of discrimination, would be the opposite direction from discrimination

        which is why I feel the term is grammatically silly

        because they are trying to claim they are being discriminated against

        • Xena says:


          I guess you can not tell a rhetorical question over the net
          But my intent was rhetorical because

          Okay. Sorry. 🙂 I get it now.

      • Jun says:

        Xena, is all good. It was not a clear rhetorical question.

  23. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    It is too early in the morning for me to think through how to word my viewpoint on a topic that I feel I need to discuss. However, I think I can state the topic clearly enough.

    I am thinking of how….. before the civil rights gains…..how poor whites felt their jobs threatened by the freed slaves and how racist leaders used this situation for decades to gain support for Jim Crow where only the MOST menial jobs were available for African Americans.

    So, here is a question about the potential (and disturbing) effect today’s economy….. which is destroying the middle class….. can have:

    Can the civil rights gains achieved under the leadership of Martin Luther King be harmed today by angry, jobless whites who already had a hidden racist agenda?

    Maybe, one of you can see what I am getting at, and perhaps clarify or reframe what I am trying to say.

    • Xena says:


      Maybe, one of you can see what I am getting at, and perhaps clarify or reframe what I am trying to say.

      For today’s sovereign citizens, who are offshoots of Posse Comitatus, which is an offshoot of White Supremacists aka KKK, it’s not about jobs. THEY DON”T WANT TO WORK. They want the right to steal, kill and destroy what others have without being subject to statutes legislated by the government.

      Like with GZ, when they take from others, they don’t see it as government welfare but rather, entitlement.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Thanks, Xena……so it is even more heinous than I was imagining

      • Malisha says:

        They want the privilege to plunder.

        • Xena says:


          They want the privilege to plunder.

          It goes much deeper than that. It involves the constitution and constitutional amendments. It involves respecting no authority other than local sheriff. It involves non belief in interest, taxes, and licenses. It gives entitlement to White men and that includes whatever they feel is right or what they call “common law.”

      • Malisha says:

        Xena, they will only respect the local sheriff if he is one of their own.

        • Xena says:


          Xena, they will only respect the local sheriff if he is one of their own.

          True, because they will only elect one of their own, and the moment that sheriff does anything they dislike, they convene a “citizen’s grand jury” to decide the sheriff’s fate. At least, that is what they want the law to provide for them.

    • Malisha says:

      That has already happened.

    • cielo62 says:

      YAHTC- there is always a new scapegoat. Nowadays it’s illegal immigrants drying up the job pool. Our civil rights are always threatened. And protecting our freedoms require constant vigilance. So predicted Thomas Jefferson and he was SO right.

      Sent from my iPod

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Speaking of not being caught sleeping…..did you know that the Supreme Court in 2012 is going to hear Shelby County, AL’s
        challenge to the Voting Rights Act of 1965?


      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        in 2013

      • Malisha says:

        After Virginia Republicans lost heavily in this last election (thanks to their own behavior and the Tea Party), they quickly tried to redistrict to remove voter effect; there will be a huge struggle now in the Virginia “Legislature” (the grammar of that is intentional) as a result. The Governor and the AG pretend to disapprove of this obvious attack on democracy in the Commonwealth but in the final analysis, they are for it; they are both practiced liars and both secretly in bed with the most virulent Tea Party fanatics.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Malisha, do you have a link to this situation in Virginia so that I can learn more about it?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        It is interesting that The Project for Fair Representation is providing the counsel and resources for Shelby County to challenge the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

        The Project for Fair Representation (a not-for-profit foundation based in Virginia) also is providing help in the Fisher v. Univ. of Texas Affirmative Action case that is NOW before the Supreme Court.

        The Project for Fair Representation was also behind the Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District #1 v. Holder case that challenged the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

        Edward Blum, director of the Project on Fair Representation, said, “Congress reauthorized the VRA in 2006 based upon the black voter disenfranchisement in the Deep South that existed in 1965, but those conditions measurably don’t exist anymore.”

        In 2009, the Supreme Court avoided the question of the statute’s constitutionality in Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. One v. Holder, but signaled that Sections 4(b) and 5 of the Act may impose “current burdens and must be justified by current needs.”

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        This is a report by a group that is trying to protect minority voting rights:

        Click to access 0023.pdf

      • Malisha says:

        Youall, I heard about it from two sources — NPR public radio, and my friend who, believe it or not, is a Republican and who volunteers for the party, running around here and there and helping whoever wants her help (don’t ask!). She knows what’s going on inside the party, at times. She said they took such a beating in VA last election that they had to start to take the voter base away from the powerful democrats before the next big election hit. It’s easy to see what they’re doing. I’d google words: redistricting Virginia Democrat Republican oppose — I think you’ll kick it up pretty quickly.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Thanks, Malisha.

    • Jun says:

      It is called divide and conquer

      The people on top are making the people on the bottom fight for crumbs

      That is why you even hear Hitler use the similar tactics to rile up Nazis and it is even used up to today (it just is not as effective though because people are more educated)

      It is called the “oppressed white race” charade, and then they will find a scapegoat, which is their objective of their victimization

      the save the white race campaign that they sell is a falsehood, considering that these white supremacists victimize other white people as well for no reason

  24. dremn2004 says:


  25. Sure, the Republicans want to create jobs here…..by taking this country back to the days of the “Gilded Age”. A time before the creation of unions…a time when there was no minimum wage…a time when there were no safety protections for workers…a time when people worked long hours…a time when there were no child labor laws…a time when there were robber barrons…a time when there was no income tax on all the money they made (how nice for the uber rich)…Yep, create a third world work force here and they’ll save even more money not having to ship the goods back from other countries…And best yet, it will carry the “Made in USA” sign.
    Check out what they have already tried to do:

    • The rich and their puppet politicians don’t want a Democracy, they want a Plutocracy…a country run by the wealthiest individuals.

    • seallison says:

      We don’t care about how much money someone has. We get angry when we’re being cheated. When someone isn’t complying with the unwritten social contract.

      We are angered by the poor person who cheats our welfare programs by having extra kids just to get more money or who commits Medicare fraud for extra income. We are angry at the tax cheat, the thief, the liar who we elected to office, and the spouse who fooled around.

      At last, and it’s about time, we are becoming angry at the wealthy who don’t contribute fairly – the greedy. We don’t like cheaters.

      If you place your desire for wealth above the good of your society, you are engaged in sociopathic behaviour. Greed is cheating and it is sociopathic.

      Like anyone with deviant behaviour, you should expect society to place limits on you. That, at its heart, is the message of the 99%, the message of the Occupy movement.

      Everyone loves a success story. Nobody likes a cheater. Somewhere at the top of the success story there is a boundary between cheating and admiration. Exactly where that boundary is depends on who you ask. One thing is for certain, it’s looking more and more like too many of the greedy have crossed over.

    • cielo62 says:

      Grey winter sky~ and what REALLY gets me steaming angry is that middle class people have become BRAINWASHED into believeing that the robber barons have GOOD CAUSE to destroy the middle class! They AID in destroying unions! They AID in supporting the very people that would outsource their entire financial future in a heartbeat! Not only has GREED taken over, so has rampant STUPIDITY!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        On that note, you might enjoy this protest song – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD6Io

        • cielo62 says:

          Two Sides~ THANKS! YOU MADE MY DAY!  My God, I LOVE that song! Even with the little I know about British English, I DO know what “bugger” means!

            🙂 all day long!

      • cielo62….I personally know a few people like the ones you are talking about……they are what is known as “non-thinkers”. People like the Koch bros. (major supporters of the tea-bag party) depend on the ignorance of these people, knowing that these folks can be fed lies, and they will believe all of it without question. How are they able to question anything if they’re not willing to think first. So…if it sounds good to them, well..dammit then…it’s gotta be true. 😆

    • whonoze says:

      I remember seeing Charlie Rose interview George Will about 20 years ago. (Interesting that arch-Reaganite Will now qualifies as a moderate in Republican circles, one of the few sane voices among the crazies…) Rose asked Will if he could live in any historical period, which would he chose. Without hesitation he said “The Gilded Age”. I was so gob-smacked, I almost fell out of my chair.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Shows you where many conservative minds are at. You’ve probably heard the saying about why socialism never took root in America – because people in poverty consider themselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

        The myth of the American dream is strong – they’ve got us playing a ponzi scheme game, only we’re at the very end of it, when the nature of the game has been revealed and all the losers have been scammed.

  26. seallison says:

    Sometimes people will take drastic measures (likely criminal) in order to have the simple things in life – food, shelter, and health care — for themselves and their families. If you want to fight the war on drugs, if you want prisons to close rather than increase in numbers, if you want to lower crime rates, domestic abuse, etc., as a society we need to ensure we take care of one another – we have a huge moral responsibility.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      We do indeed have a huge moral responsibility, seallison!

    • whonoze says:

      As you wisely point out seallison, it’s more than a moral responsibility. It’s good policy for everyone to take care of one another. Crime rates have a high correlation with poverty rates, and the unemployment rate. The best way to keep the whole community safe is to provide opportunities for everyone to take care of themselves through productive labor. Rev. Jackson used to say schools are cheaper than prisons. But so too are government job programs. The 1% don’t care, as they are locked safe in gated communities with high walls, well-trained armed guards (not NW bozos), security cameras that actually work properly, etc. etc. Just like Third World dictatorships, which seem to be the working model for our ruling class.

      Yes, greed is the deadliest sin. Sayeth The Boss:
      Poor man wanna be rich
      Rich man wanna be king
      And a king ain’t satisfied
      Till he rules everything

    • Two sides to a story says:


    • Malisha says:

      Bravo Seallison.
      When the ONLY way to survive is by some illegality, you will have some illegality. When the only way to survive is by more illegality, you will have MORE illegality. Then you will have more prisons and more (effectively) slave labor.

  27. tharealkeisha says:

    Thank you for this info I will pass this along for my friends to see.

  28. seallison says:

    Corporate greed. It is a strong middle class that keeps the country moving.

    We have been victims of the the rich. The attacking and eliminating unions where unions had made huge strides in workplace safety, a decent living wage, benefits, and much more.

    The rich shareholders focus is on bottom line profit. To increase profit, they have outsourced former jobs to countries that do NOT have a decent living wage, do NOT have workplace Health & Safety regulations, do NOT have the need for environmental protections. Further, the rich find increases in profits emanating from the import of inferior products and services.

    The greed of the owners and Corporate executives have driven the loss of jobs and those same 1% have made record-breaking profit, bonuses, and have lowered the standard of living in the very country that leveraged them to the upper echelon of our society.

    It is a lack of social conscience that led them to turn their backs on the middle class. There is no allegiance to their country. They hide their assets offshore. They do NOT pay their fair share of taxes. They take full advantage of loopholes in our systems of rules, laws, and regulations.

    I could go on and on and I suppose you can tell I am an Occupy activist.

    I refuse to buy goods imported from China or any other country that does Not allow its citizens to enjoy the rights and freedoms any human being works for.

    I blame the government for moving away from representing its citizens to catering to the Corporate blackmail.

    • seallison says:

      The rich do it for one reason and one reason only — we have allowed it to happen. We have been had by greedy, disloyal, opportunists. They will continue to erode the standard of living because we allow it — so many unemployed and the ones made to feel grateful for even having a job.

      Sorry folks, it is the middle class who pay the bulk of the taxes to run a country. But, this 1% could care less.

      Pure, simple greed.

  29. Jun says:

    There’s also sexual slavery

    slavery in Asia where many poor people work for loose change, such as your apple products

    drug mules

    institutional racism

    there’s also slave labour in America where some Americans will force immigrants into slave labor, either via prostitution and other means

    There’s also mental slavery

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      This group has done a lot to improve the working conditions of mirgrant farm workers:


      This is the link to an amazing site.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        A quote from that link:

        “And so we will, once again, march. We will march to celebrate the changes underway today in Florida’s tomato industry. We will march so that Publix does, finally, support the Fair Food Program. We will march so that those growers who refuse to meet the new standards no longer get solace, and sales, from retailerslike Publix who remain willing to purchase tomatoes produced the old way, “no questions asked.” And we will march so that, one day, farmworkers across this country might enjoy the unprecedented new rights and working relationships being born today in the fields of Florida.”

  30. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Thank you so much for this article, Professor.

    You make a great point when you write:

    “First, millions of jobs have been abolished and outsourced to foreign countries creating massive unemployment that is unlikely to improve significantly within the foreseeable future.”

    Let’s see……. It looks like business turned to foreign countries that allow sweat shops, child labor, poor wages, and in some cases, slave labor AFTER the U.S. ended slavery, sweat shops, and child labor….after working conditions improved here with higher, fairer wages… hmm …..Has the plantation mindset changed?

    • cielo62 says:

      No, it has not. And I thank GOD that Romney was not elected or he would have continued to gut our country of jobs, just as he did with Bain. I saw this coming, as did many others with common sense, that outsourcing is only good for the CEOs. It does NOTHING for Americans who work here. It gets my feline fur all in a twist.

  31. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Excerpt from “I Have a Dream”:

    So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God’s children.”

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      ” No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

      “I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
      Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.”

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        “With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood.”

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Today, I am reading a book by Myrlie Evers-Williams (Medgar Ever’s widow.)

      Here is a video of her invocation at the Inauguration 2013:

  32. Xena says:

    (follow, when I wake up in the morning) Great article professor!!

  33. I mentioned this on the previous thread and wanted to repeat it: Thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Leatherman for providing this forum.

    • Trained Observer says:

      An inspiring day with a terrific inaugural speech, plenty of spectacle, and enough energy in evidence to jump start sweeping moves toward gun control, reducing the deficit, offering equal rights to all, fine-tuning Obamacare, and forcing Congress back into a mode of civility.

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