Featuring: LLMPapa does Officer Timmy Smith in Trayvon Martin Murder Case

Our beloved LLMPapa takes on Officer Timmy Smith and finds a Chiapet bearing a familiar face.

81 Responses to Featuring: LLMPapa does Officer Timmy Smith in Trayvon Martin Murder Case

  1. Aunt Bea says:

    Minutia alert…

    How did the can get out of the bag? My experience with a can in a plastic bag tells me that a hydraulic bond occurs as the can sweats. The bag sticks to the can.
    Why is the brown bag (7-11?) almost plastered to the sidewalk?
    The white bag is billowy looking. Looks like the brown bag had been there awhile or was stepped on or something.

    Sorry, I get caught up in details…

    • itsallboutmeash says:

      George probably went through Trayvon’s pockets and had to see if that was an illegal can of booze or something and just dropped the bag. Then the Asian guy probably stepped on it as he got his ghoulish delights taking a picture of a dead body and withholding evidence in a murder case. It was his own personal picture just himself and nobody else.

    • I believe the white plastic bag was a WalMart bag that W13 gave to the police to plug the entry wound during CPR. He also supplied the First Aid kit and both were discarded and left behind after the police cleared the scene. The tan plastic bag was from the 7/11 and probably was the bag given to Trayvon at the store.

    • Cercando Luce says:

      I think the white Walmart bag was drier, therefore billowing. The 7-11 bag had been in the rain for a while and as you point out, was wet on the inside too. Could have been stepped on too, by the various neighbors, policemen, EMT, Fogen himself… I don’t know how the can got out of the 7-11 bag and into Trayvon’s pocket. Could it have been there when Fogen grabbed and shot?

      Oh, did he pulled the two sweatshirts so as to get the can out of the way?

      Now I question whether Fogen ever turned Trayvon’s body over, or if Trayvon fell forward from a standing position with both hands on his wound. If Fogen had turned the body over from a supine position, one arm would have splayed out.

      I wish Fogen would just confess each and every detail.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        The 7-11 bag almost looks ripped on the east side.

      • seallison says:

        That can has always bothered me. He has the drink put into the bag at the convenience store. Fogen sees that Trayvon has a button on Trayvon’s hoodie and says he has something in his hands. If he saw the button, he had to have known it was a plastic bag. Not dramatic enough for him, I guess. Same with Trayvons pants. Fogen says jeans or sweat pants – doesn’t mention colour or shade when they are obviously tan-coloured. I guess him saying so wouldn’t make Trayvon seem Thuggish enough.

        But, why did the drink end up in his pocket. How did his ear buds end up tucked neatly into his pocket.

        These were crime scene items. I don’t get it.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          If he saw the button he saw the 711 bag. GZ is a 711 type customer, living on chips and such. He knows the bag. If he says anything about it, it will defeat his demonizing attempts. That’s all the police needed to hear is that the suspect is carrying a 711 bag. And PooF the illusion of a thug is destroyed. Replaced by a kid coming back from the store.

          • racerrodig says:

            “…..um, we’ve had some break in’s here and there’s a real suspicious guy just walking about.

            “He’s a black male, late teems with a button on his shirt. ….um, he’s got a bag with beverages and some Slim JIms. I can see some Doritos and Bachman thin pretzels also. Oh, and he has Skittles and Frito’s too”

            Yep, there’s a real threat. Watch it Zidiot or I’ll stab you with my Slim Jim.

  2. Yeah, Malisha, I keep forgetting that Fogen is a pathological liar.

  3. Aunt Bea says:

    I think a firefighter’s slicker would pick up and hold onto more debris and mud than GZ’s jacket did.
    Those jeans and shoes are made of the same miracle fabric.

    • racerrodig says:

      I guess his idea of “Waterproof” is water doesn’t get on his jacket.
      I’d like to test his theory of bulletproof if that’s his line of thinking.

  4. At some point I recall reading in one of Fogen’s many versions that he had blood in his eyes and was unable to see. I can’t recall where he claimed the blood came from, but wouldn’t his contacts have needed to be cleaned as part of his first-aid assist at the scene. There has been no mention of this lately. I wonder why.

    • Malisha says:

      He never had any blood in his eyes. That was his flair for the dramatic. You know, the “suspect again emerged from the darkness,” and “I felt that my head was going to explode,” and “he was up to no good” and “it was all God’s plan.” That’s Fogen’s purple prose. Checkout counter at the grocery store.

    • itsallboutmeash says:

      Well the time and date stamp on that picture with the blood on his lips is before there was any clean up. Maybe he went into the Asian guys home and took a shower as the Asian guy quizzed him through the shower door about the 9 or 40 or the type of bullets he used.

  5. Romaine says:

    Professor I have a Question…Why would Trayvons clothing smell like mildew and ammonia? This is documented in his autopsy report.

      • Romaine says:

        I ask this question for two reasons:
        1. was it because his clothing was washed and not properly dried thereby causing a smell of mildew, or from laying in the wet grass during the process of gathering evidence.

        2. If it was from not being dried in a timely manner causing the scent of mildew. If Trayvon was in such close proximity of Fogen, why didn’t the mildew scent transfer on to the clothing of Fogen?

        I guess what I’m asking is was it a scent of mildewed grass or laundry, and if fogden was laying in the same grass as trayvon, why is it that his clothing did not have the same scent?

    • seallison says:

      My guess is because they were soaking wet when they were bagged, in a hot or warm room for who knows how long — mouldy and mildewy. Maybe bodily fluid odour (you know what I mean – sometimes when people are really frightened they —- themselves) from being bagged so long. No issues with Fogens clothing though.

      • ChrisNY~Laurie says:

        Oh I never thought of urine…is it true that when one passes their bladder releases?

        Although, I would think the clothes would smell of urine and not ammonia. Maybe it smells the same to some people, but I can tell the difference.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        Wet urine on clothing after a week in a plastic bag does smell like ammonia– I know because I had a child’s wet clothing in a plastic bag forgotten in my car once, and let me tell you… it soaks clean enough to machine-wash.

      • ChrisNY~Laurie says:

        I guess that would smell different from what I was thinking of and totally makes sense as to why his clothes smelled the way they did.

    • blushedbrown says:

      The best answer I can give to you is that Tracey, Trayvon’s Dad left boxes of clothes in the garage for him to rumage thru. We all know if you don’t store things properly with Moth Balls and such things get that smell of mildew. JMO.

      Second discovery Dump page 9 of 284
      Trayvon Martin Cousin’s Statement


      There is another document with Tracey Martin saying basically the same thing. If I find it will post for you.

    • ChrisNY~Laurie says:


      Here is a link for a possibility of why clothes can sometimes smell like ammonia. It’s from your sweat if you have a high protien, low carb diet. I’m sure Trayvon was sweating a lot.


    • itsallboutmeash says:

      In the land of Sanberry PD they have never heard of an evidence drying room. You bag up anything wet and you will get mildew and other molds. Remember how they dried out the garbage in Casey Anthony’s trunk in the drying room to preserve it?

    • @Romaine……Flori-duh is VERY humid. If homes there are built on cement slab foundations (and are not built high enough to have a run-off grade), there could be moisture coming up from the floor (builders do not seal the cement) which could lead to a musty odor in the house that permeates clothing. I live in Tex-ass. I (and others in my neighborhood) am having this very problem with my foundation. As far as the ammonia goes…don’t know.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      His father gave him some clothing that was in a box in the garage. They were old clothes.

  6. ladystclaire says:

    Fogen is as guilty as can be of murdering Trayvon and, the good ole boy network aka the Sanford Police dept. is trying to help him get away with this murder. what a sin and a shame it is for those whose job it is to uphold the law, to aid this POS in getting away with killing a child. BTW, one of the zimmfenders on HP is asking what the name Fogen stands for. lololololol

  7. Momz2boys says:

    Try again

    • Xena says:

      LLMPapa, you’re on a roll! I suppose they wanted to make it clear that the officer didn’t hug GZ after patting him down. Reminds me of a scene from “High School High.”

    • Malisha says:

      Hey what was he gonna do with the tissue and water bottle with his hands shackled behind him? Is it some kind of special thing Neighborhood Watch Captains know how to do without any hands?

    • ay2z says:

      I just found this little gem! been working my way around this ‘library’ catching up on all the books, mags and videos– that Chia image was just too much!!! πŸ™‚


      Say– don’t hunters usually wear a bright red jacket so they can be seen as the ‘good guys’ when out in the bushes during their hunt? That was a good safety color to wear in the neighborhood, wouldn’t want to be mistaken for an f’n punk on his walkabout.

  8. acemayo says:

    GZ own word I on the wet grass had over 150 pounds of weight on
    me, where the grass strains, I wet my own lawn, put on a jacket
    like GZ had own, fell down on it had my wife sat on my chest.
    then i try to shimmer in the direction of my feet, I was a mess.
    Like science if you repeat how GZ was on wet grass we should
    get the same results. GZ look like he just his clothes out of the
    cleaners no grass strains anywhere on his body

    • yeah and it’s not just a sprinkle. it’s super humid so the grass had to VERY wet all day! it’s not like it just sprinkled for a minute and all the water just evaporated.. the ground should have been slippery and soggy.

      no! gz did NOT lay on his stupid ass and shimmy on the soggy ground!

      and tim smith needs to get clean. why didn’t he take a pic of the wet and grassy back??? if it was important enough to put it in the report?

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      πŸ™‚ I hope you did all that in the backyard, acemayo. It would have been a funny sight if you did the experiment on the grass in the front yard!

      • Cercando Luce says:


        • racerrodig says:

          My son and friends of ours have tried to replicate the Fogen Hustle and Firearm Reach all to no avail. We had re-enactors as close in size to Trayvon and Fogen. (Nobody really wanted the Fogen part to be honest) I’m 5 – 9 just at 200 so I wound up on the bottom more often than not. My son is 5-10 150, pretty close to Trayvon and no matter what, it didn’t happen. We’ll be glad to volunteer our services to the court free of charge.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Can you take a video of it and post it? That would be a very good thing, try it several ways, maybe use a lazer pointer to show the angles one can manage with their elbow on the ground.

            It would be nice to see someone straddled and trying to at a concealed weapon, trying to draw it, etc., None of the video makers seem to be able to get actors to cooperate in staging a mockup.

          • racerrodig says:

            As soon as I get over the flu, we’ll get right on it.

          • blushedbrown says:

            Get better soon, Racer. πŸ™‚

          • racerrodig says:

            Thanks…..I don’t know what strain of flu this is but I feel lower than eel shit,

          • blushedbrown says:

            Aww, poor baby, sending you my famous, chicken rice soup, ASAP!

          • racerrodig says:

            Man I thank you…just the aroma will help.

          • Xena says:

            @racerrodig. Have you ever heard it said that we should not eat onions that have been sitting out for long, nor anything that has raw onion in it? Ever hear the old folks say that when onions have been sitting out, they have fever in them?

            That’s because a yellow onion, once peeled, draws in germs and viruses from the air. Cut the top (not the root) and remove the outward peel. Sit in on something that can be thrown away, such as a paper plate. Place it close by where you sit or sleep.

            You can Febreeze your house after you get well. πŸ™‚

          • racerrodig says:

            Worth a try….Thanks

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Gee, not you too? Seems everyone’s coming down with something. I’ve a friend in California, he’s got the flu, a friend uptown NYC, flu! Neighbor has the flu, even people on an email list I belong to have the flu. It seems to be everywhere. Meanwhile, in NYC we’re having a very warm January, the temps this week are going to stay around 50 degrees all week long. January we’re not suppose to even see a hint of 40 degrees and usually even 30 is just something to dream about.

          • racerrodig says:

            This strand is a doozy too. I hope Fo9gen gets it, the a relapse.

      • Jun says:

        I’d love to volunteer too. I volunteer to punch Fogenhats over a dozen times, and smash his head repeatedly into a sidewalk to prove the injuries that night are not consistent with his claims. We will also have first hand direct evidence =).

      • Lonnie Starr says:


        You should have taken pictures of your clothing and posted them so we could see the condition. If you get a chance to repeat the experiment. Please post the pictures. It will give us a reference.
        Also, remember, the grass is “St. Augustine” grass. So you may need to borrow a neighbors lawn.

    • groans says:

      @acemayo – I’ve always thought the same thing. Wiggling and struggling on wet grass would cause grass stains – probably even on a high quality rain jacket, and definitely on blue jeans.

  9. hmmm i can’t get a picture on the video, i have audio tho.. maybe in you tube.. i’ll check..
    but i also couldn’t get in on my phone through twitter.

    btw! anyone know if the crackerjackass is the one i heard about working at publixs in coral gables?

    • B Dwyer says:

      Found you!

      • hey!! ok great! i hope you’ll come back maybe tomorrow and check Prof’s articles all the time.. usually daily and follow him on twitter so you’ll know when he posts a new one..!

        you can use my blog page for whatever you want or to message me. i got some naughty videos LOL – just click on my name..

  10. esentrick says:


  11. seallison says:

    This case me really stumped – there are so-o-o many players. It bothers me to think about how often this happens.

    Someone had to have signalled that this killing was a good-ole-boy wink, wink. There HAD to have been discussion amongst Fogen, certain police, certain EMTs, Wolfinger, and Billy Lee. Fogen is a nobody so why the cover-up. What is he worth to them — their careers!!! I dont think so.

    In fact, Fogen has reported them on occasion and he was a constant pain in the …. neck.

    There HAD to be a connection and I can only come up with Osterman, and Papa Z. Papa Z calling Wolfinger to see what could be done to make it all go away. Osterman, at the scene, talking with a few of his LE buddies.

    The more I am thinking, if the connection is not Osterman and Daddy Z, there is more than just corruption going on here.

    • seallison says:

      I would really like to know what type of product Taaffe has that he sells via mail-order. I would like to see what Fogen sends via USPS. I would like to see Osterman’s history after being fired from LE as beach patrol. They all seem to live very well. Osterman being fired and then getting a job as an Air Marshall just doesn’t seem right. Why would anyone in Government hire someone fired from LE. Might seem trivial. If Osterman was fired just for making a mistake – not asking permission to do after hours work as a body guard does not seem to be firing material. I think this whole thing is connected by drugs or stolen goods with certain police looking the other way. Don’t ask me why. Just a far-out theory.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @seallison, Bingo! I believe Fogen and Otis were the ones stealing from their neighbors and, selling the stolen goods out of state. who ever the Burgess guy was, was probably fool enough to be a patsy for them. I might be wrong with this guess work but, I don’t really think I’m too far off.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I agree because, why would all of these *IDIOTS* risk their jobs and pensions for the likes of Fogen. I don’t exactly know what the connection is but, I can say without a doubt that old man Zimmerman is in this cover up, up to his lying eyeballs. they all need to be charged with obstruction of justice as well as having federal charges leveled against them as well.

    • Malisha says:

      Seallison, I actually don’t think there has to be an undercover connection. I have seen this kind of corruption where (a) the actual beneficiary of the corruption is a nobody; and (b) there isn’t big money OR big favors changing hands; and (c) it is pretty obvious that the cover-up is wrong and a little bit of investigation would uncover it and everybody could be in trouble; and (d) there appears to be no real motive for the corrupt officials to either help out the beneficiary of the cover-up OR to hurt the victim of the cover-up.

      What I think happens is that somebody screws up early in the game. To hide the whole game, all the players can do is hide every part of the game.

      Let me give you an example. In 1980, Fairfax Virginia, ordinary run-of-the-mill custody battle. The father goes in to the intake office and gets the intake officer so fed up that he puts a nasty report in the file saying the father is not “realistic.” Then the father hires a bomber lawyer who advises him to hire a psychiatrist to say the mom’s “mentally ill.” They hire the wrong guy and he comes up saying the FATHER is mentally ill. Then the lawyer has to cover his ass because he “sold” the shrink to the father by saying, “I have him in my pocket; he’ll say whatever I tell him to say.” THe father’s in a rage. The lawyer quits. The dad loses the trial and sues the judge.

      Fast forward. Another judge on the case because the judge who got sued was a coward and a fool, even though he could tell pudding from poo poo. The new judge wants to give custody to the father to calm the whole thing down, but he can’t just do that because he’ll get overturned on appeal. He decides to give the dad a little bit here and there and then “find fault” with something the mother does and make a decision that can’t get overturned.

      Ooops. The mother fires HER incompetent lawyer and starts to unravel the cover-up which involves, by now, three lawyers and two judges!

      Then they all have to call in all their favors and destroy the mom because otherwise she’ll show them for idiots and assholes. So they do whatever it takes, including fake warrants, disappearing papers from the files, creating mixed criminal and civil proceedings, and dragging a federal judge into the corruption because he owes a favor to a Circuit Court judge.

      This did not happen because the father was powerful, because there were payoffs, or any other rational reason for corruption. Nothing you’d see on TV. Just a judge who didn’t want to look like the idiot fool punk that he was, who didn’t want to stop winning awards, who was stupid and haughty and rich and who had done illegal things for years and gotten away with them and didn’t want someone badmouthing him.

      This forms the basis for more corruption that you can imagine. Someone does something a little bit wrong they think they can easily get away with and then the sh1t hits the fan and all Hell breaks loose and all of a sudden there are 29 people in a tense, angry, ever-widening circle of dishonesty and corruption. It happens EVERY SINGLE DAY in every state of the Union.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Malisha, you’re right. Sad but true. At least in this case, what’s gone around is going to come around.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Exactly, there is way too much going on for these people to all put their careers on the line for a nobody like George. Not even his fathers nor MO’s connections would normally be enough to get them to do this. Only some official, having a direct involvement in this, would be enough to inspire such one sided risk taking for no observable gain.

      I observe that this set of circumstances, would have worked much better if Burgess was the target. He’s bigger, heavier and appears to be powerful enough to do damage, and he also has a criminal record.

      My guess is that if there were some conspiracy afoot, it makes perfect sense that Burgess would be the intended target. Then, notice how with all the charges and warrants against him, he manages to stay out of jail. Until, one day he’s in the company of someone, who has a stolen laptop in his back pack. Burgess runs away a short distance and is caught by a policeman who belatedly runs after him??? The matter settles with Burgess claiming to own the stolen laptop that is in his friends knapsack, the others are let go and Burgess is taken to jail where his parole is violated.

      Thus Burgess is now safe in jail, and out of the reach of the planners.
      Nearly three weeks go by and suddenly Trayvon turns up at RATL. My guess is the planners have found their new target. All that remains is a means to get him out of the house at the right time. That is pretty easy to accomplish. All it takes is for some young people to set up a meet with him somewhere, where it takes him a while to return home. 711 is ideal at .7 miles away, it’s a nearly 30 minute round trip.

      Tracy Martin and Ms Greene will be able to tell what kind of snacks they had in the house already that night. It just may be that there wasn’t any real reason for TM to have gone to the store out of need.
      If he wanted to “stretch his legs”, why wouldn’t he make the trip before dark?

      If GZ meeting TM, while going out to shop, why wouldn’t he tell the truth about his encounter? If he was notified by someone, why wouldn’t they also say so? After all, notification isn’t a crime, it’s exactly what NW, and the people on the “trees” are supposed to do.

      So, why are all these people lying and concealing, even the most innocent matters? Why are they refusing to identify themselves? We know from the timelines that they exist, we just don’t know who they are. Why? Why are they hiding in the same manner as people involved in a criminal conspiracy would?

      • Xena says:


        So, why are all these people lying and concealing, even the most innocent matters? Why are they refusing to identify themselves?

        Because GZ skipped town after leaving the police station. When the person who is suppose to be the hero skips town and goes into hiding, why should others speak up about whatever part or role they had in events leading up to the killing of an unarmed teenager?

        For all anyone knew, including witnesses, GZ could be in their backyard with his gun the next night waiting to shoot them in the heart.

  12. Lexie says:

    Poor Opie , he’s still surrounded by morons LOL
    Georges jacket was pristine, no sign a fight on the wet grass or cement ever took place. No blood from the back of his head or nose found on jacket.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It would be more interesting to see the back of the jeans, as the denim would pick up more loose grass, grass stain, and more moisture / mud / anything. And of course, we’re seeing Fogen’s back at the station – anything loose on the jacket could easily drop off in the police van. And that type of fabric dries quickly – I have an almost identical jacket of another brand. So maybe Smith did see what he reported, but it certainly seems false or exaggerated, as if he wants to help Fogen or at the very least, wants to believe his thugtastic story.

    • racerrodig says:

      Remember they forget we can tell who actually played in the football game by the mud on the uniform. It is obvious Fogen was “warming the bench” on this one.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      The point is that the policeman was willing to lie, that shows he was biased. Why should he have a bias? LEO’s aren’t supposed to arrive at a crime scene and take sides. Ones who do, need to be relived of their posts.

  13. Lonnie Starr says:

    SPD not looking good.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Sloppy, sloppy reports.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        I thought they might be sloppy reports at first. But these reports are not sloppy, they are contrived to be in a disorderly manner, to conceal and mislead with a purpose. That’s anything but sloppy, which would be disorderly reporting that is not directed at any identifiable purpose.

        All of these “errors” and “mis reportings” are directed at the same purpose, justification for letting GZ go free. Errors, sloppiness and mistakes don’t all go in the same direction by purpose.

  14. itsallboutmeash says:

    There seems to be some confusion as to why rain on a rain jacket would
    would seem so important on a night when it was raining. I think we have to go back in time a little before the shooting to understand.

    Let’s begin with morning breakfast at Sheriff Andy Lee’s home in Sanberry.

    Andy Lee looks down at his breakfast plate spotting the raisin toast and exclaims “Aunt Bee I have told you a thousand times that raisins don’t belong in bread”!

    Now let’s fast forward to 2:30 am when Goober Smith fills out his report on the Trayvon Martin shooting. At the end of that report he says he turned over George Zimmerman to the Sanberry PD and that was all he had to do with the case. All done and headed home to do the late shift at the gas station.End of story, well not really.

    Three days after Andy Lee’s little blow up with Aunt Bee Sgt Gomer Smith is sitting at his desk going over the reports from the night of the shooting and trying to add up his receipts from the gas station for the previous month when he notices a little problem. No it was not the chocolate and oil stains on the gas station receipts. It was the fact that Goober Smith said he delivered George to the Sanberry PD and then left for work at the gas station. There were no receipts for that night. He calls Officer Goober into his office and Goober admits that he really stayed the rest of the night with George, got him drinks, took him to the bathroom, chit chatted and was just the normal friendly oaf he was. Sgt Goober Smith told him “well maybe you better change that lie in the first report and he did. End of story, oh wait no it isn’t! I forgot all about cousin Officer Diana Smith and her story.

    Cousin Diana works part time at the grocery store where aunt Bee does all her shopping and she knows they had been out of regular bread for a month and the important thing about her is she bought this really fancy digital camera from the internets and well Andy Lee heard about it and hired her to take pictures for the Sanberry PD.

    Goober and cousin Diana just happened to be in that interview room together and I don’t know why or what for but that dang old Goober forgot to tell Cuz to zero on some of the dang grass all over that poor George’s back. Some say it was the tight pants Cuz was wearing the was distracting Goober but I don’t know.

    So anyway that is the little background story to how it all came about and I would like to add that Sheriff Andy Lee did talk to Cousin Officer Smith about the store being out of regular bread and she assured him that the regular bread was in stock again and there would be no more raisins in-bread at his house.

  15. Love it……….And it does bring up questions I hadn’t thought of before.

  16. Tzar says:

    to reiterate
    I hope the SA is interested in the truth not just incarcerating the defendant
    justice would not be served if they let these rogue cops go unpunished

  17. Xena says:

    Too bad GZ didn’t think of this as a fund raising effort before Christmas. LOL!!

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