Mark O’Mara: Have you no sense of Decency

Friday, December 14, 2012

I write today to condemn Mark O’Mara for the disturbing article that he posted on his website yesterday blaming the State, Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, and the Martin family for the vicious and vile character assassination of two innocent girls committed by his rabid and deranged supporters, who erroneously concluded that first one and then the other was Dee Dee. The purpose of the attacks was to terrorize the person they believed to be Dee Dee into refusing to testify against O’Mara’s client, may his name be forgotten (hereinafter MHNBF).

Dee Dee (AKA: W8) was Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend and she was talking to him on her cell phone when the defendant attacked him. She is an important witness, obviously, and Dee Dee is a fake name developed to protect her identity and assure her privacy. In other words, to protect her from the deliberate campaign of terrorism and character assassination suffered by the two innocent girls.

Fortunately for her, the strategy has been successful.

The two innocent girls were not so fortunate.

Intimidating witnesses is a felony and every person who participated in or encouraged others to participate in committing those acts is guilty of a felony. Every one of them also is guilty of conspiracy to intimidate witnesses.

No, the First Amendment does not protect witness intimidation.

I hope all of them are arrested, indicted, convicted and sentenced to prison.

The title of the article is Addressing Concerns About Cyber Attacks and Doxing

In pertinent part, O’Mara said:

“We understand that there may have been such actions directed at individuals who may be associated with Witness #8. In an October 19 hearing, the defense team requested a Subpoena Duces Tecum for the social media accounts of Witness #8; however, we intentionally did not disclose her name or any possible Twitter handle out of respect for her privacy. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles). If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns — an opportunity they have yet to take. We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized? “

[Emphasis supplied]

Notwithstanding CYA boilerplate language, scrape away the bullshit and you have this statement:

It’s your fault. Give us her social media handles, or else.

I thought I had seen it all.

280 Responses to Mark O’Mara: Have you no sense of Decency

  1. sdunn5 says:

    Greetings Professor, I had the flu for the last 2 days, however my attention was drawn to a posting on the OS which shows my banned user name GetGeorge75 with my personal photo (which was never an avatar for GetGeorge75 on the OS). Now the fogen supporters have used photo editing on my photo to portray me with a beard and mustache. Just thought it worth noting. These people are beyond contempt however I am not intimidated in the least, my philosophy is “Is that all you have? Bring it!

  2. cielo62 says:

    >^..^< My guess is: No. MOM has no decency. I understand his job is to defend his client rigorously. But it's an entirely different thing to slander the victims and their supporters. If MOM keeps this up, he will get NOTHING, not even respect, when this is over.

    • jm says:

      cielo62 “If MOM keeps this up, he will get NOTHING, not even respect, when this is over.”

      If MOM keeps this up? To me he is at the point of no return. The lies he has told and the insinuations he has made about the victim have been obscene and way beyond the scope of a defense attorney.

      As far as respect, I don’t think MOM gives a care. He is in this to win it and make his name famous, like Jose Baez.

      I can’t imagine MOM doing this for free. He said he hasn’t been paid but I think someone is funding him. Sean Hannity connections maybe for giving them the exclusive interview with Chorge.

      I don’t know how MOM can redeem himself other than to write a book telling everyone what liars he and Chorge are.

  3. So, it’s God’s fault, it’s DeeDee’s fault, it’s the people who were mistaken for DeeDee’s fault, it’s Judge Lester’s fault, it’s NBC’s fault, it’s Barbara Walter’s fault, it’s….

  4. SlingTrebuchet says:

    O’Mara wants the state to assist some very dangerous people to identify Witness.8 through a process of elimination.

    That her?

    That her?

    That her?
    ……pin dropping………….

    OK. That’s her

  5. leander22 says:

    Sorry, if someone already observed this. But is this actually an attempt to find out if the treeslum type of research is correct? Or if one should better not concentrate one’s attention on supposed “DeeDee’s” Twitter handles circulating on the web?

    We understand that there may have been such actions directed at individuals who may be associated with Witness #8. In an October 19 hearing, the defense team requested a Subpoena Duces Tecum for the social media accounts of Witness #8; however, we intentionally did not disclose her name or any possible Twitter handle out of respect for her privacy. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles).

    Question: What exactly is it? You are worried about the wrong persons being harrassed or are you more concerned about not having the correct twitter handle yet? Why would it be an ethical approach to not disclose a twitter one only “understands may have been” connected with someone else, and not DeeDee?

    In plain words, if the Martin/Fulton defense team and/or prosecution could please correct misinformation about twitter handles that trouble us, it would save us much work, or alternatively give us the information. This is what “the ethical concerns” by defense are all about.

    Are Diwataman and the treeslums getting impatient to see “their research” confirmed? Which in turn influences team GZ since they have the same aims?

    • leander22 says:

      Sorry, noticed too late: harrassed = harassed.

    • Nefertari05 says:

      They are full of it. They didn’t keep her information private because of their respect for her privacy. They did it because that’s what Judge Lester ordered, in the hearing regarding the motions from the “media intervenors”, and what information could and could not be released to the public. Witness ID information about witnesses who had not gone public, with their statements to the media/public, was expressly suppressed.

      I had wondered if the reason that O’Mara “missed” the appeal deadline for witness #9’s statement release, was because he suspected she would be outed and vilified, by the very people who did exactly that. I was kind of dubious about it because, he stood to lose more than he would gain. But this latest episode seems to give more credibility to my original suspicion, especially if he thought her(#9’s) statement would come out sooner or later, anyway. I really, REALLY don’t like him.

  6. SpecialladyT says:

    I still can’t wrap my brain around the fact that Judge Nelson has yet to GAG MOM?! With MOM’s latest “stunt”, will this seal the deal so to speak? smdh!!!

    • ladystclaire says:

      @SpecialladyT, I’m SMDH as well because, I think it’s well past time for this judge to GAG MOM. this attorney has gotten way out of line and, something needs to be done as far as shutting him up!

      • SpecialladyT says:

        This is NOW the second time MOM is blaming publicly and accusations of wrong doing on the part of the SA and or Crump and Martins. Oh and a third when he did the interview with Jean from IN Session. How long before Nelson throws her gavel at MOM?!!

  7. Jun says:

    I just did some dual sovereignty doctrine math, and some of the Treeper Zimmernuts could actually get prosecuted 3 times I believe

    1) If they are not in Florida, they can be indicted within their own state

    2) The crime or crimes were committed in Florida because their words were transmitted into Florida to a person of Florida, so Florida can also file their own indictments on the perps

    3) Federal laws mean total US jurisdiction, and the actions also break their laws, so that is number 3

    It says under dual sovereignty doctrine, that two separate states can file indictments on a perp, if the crimes happen in two separate states and the actions break both their laws

    It also says under dual sovereignty doctrine that the federals have jurisdiction over all states and act as a second sovereign in each state, and if a perp’s actions violates both the state laws, and the federal laws, it permits both sovereigns to file indictments, because they are categorized as two separate offenses

    I know that witness tampering, cyber harassment, and uttering threats are against federal laws, and I am almost certain it is the same in each and every state

    If my math is correct and each state and the feds wanted to push it, whomever was stalking and threatening whom they deemed to be Deedee is in a lot of trouble LMAO

    • Xena says:

      The way that I understand cyberharassment law is that the state where the victim resides is the original state of jurisdiction. For instance, Florida might not have a cyberharassment law but Illinois does, so the Illinois law applies regardless of where the perpetrator resides. When it involves interstate violations, the matter can be filed in the federal court under the doctrine of diversity.

      More than cyberharassment, what GZ’s supporters have committed is clear, deliberate, malicious witness intimidation and the feds should look into it. Since O’Mara took their information as true, and attempted to use it in court, he is an accomplice.

      • Jun says:

        Witness intimidation is against the law in Florida, so I believe they have something there

        I feel they should get these guys and that is a good catch, I do remember Omara purporting that he had the handles, so if anything, there is a potential connection in Omara’s negligence. I wonder if they have copies of whom Omara was alleging was the Deedee. If they do, they can use that against Omara.

      • Yea!!! but is it too much to wish for?? it’s like they can get away with it, like those assholes always do!

        • jm says:

          You know this case has made me aware of how mentally ill part of the population is and probably they don’t recognize it. From Chorge and family, MOM, and “friends” like Osterman and Joe Oliver, to the Zimbeciles who spend their time cyberstalking witnesses.

          I just don’t get how anyone would want to protect an obvious murderer including the family or would want to spend days on end posting ugliness about a victim they don’t even know and glorifying a lying remorseless murderer.

          Don’t the cyberstalkers have a life, family, friends, hobbies, a job? What’s in it for them?

      • SlingTrebuchet says:

        “Don’t the cyberstalkers have a life, family, friends, hobbies, a job? What’s in it for them?”
        A sense of purpose.
        A sense of belonging.
        A sense of being better than someone else.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Only if someone files a complaint and presses charges, I would think.

  8. Xena says:

    Sorry. Posted the above in the wrong thread. Professor, could you please delete?

    • gblock says:

      Thanks, Shannon. Great response.

    • Nefertari05 says:

      Excellent rebuttal. Thanks for the link.

    • leander22 says:

      Shannon, can you translate that for me?

      The Miami Herald reported in August that failed cop wannabe Zimmerman had a lowly D in a criminal justice class and a .5 (yes, that’s “point five”) to 2.3 grade point average. Remind me again, who was the “troubled” one and who was the bad student?

      Our “A” is “1” but what exactly does a 2.3 grade versus a “lowly D” signal?

      • How to Calculate Your Grade Point Average (GPA)

        Your grade point average (GPA) is calculated by dividing the total amount of grade points earned by the total amount of credit hours attempted. Your grade point average may range from 0.0 to a 4.0.

        For example:

        A = 4.00 grade points
        A- = 3.70 grade points
        B+ = 3.33 grade points
        B = 3.00 grade points
        B- = 2.70 grade points
        C+ = 2.30 grade points
        C = 2.00 grade points
        C- = 1.70 grade points
        D+ = 1.30 grade points
        D = 1.00 grade points
        D- = 0.70 grade points

        WF/F=0 grade points

        P/NP (Pass/No Pass) courses are not factored in the student’s GPA
        I (Incompletes) and W (Withdrawals) do not receive grade points and do not have an effect on the GPA

  9. I don’t know if you guys have seen this, if not here take a look,

    I can’t take this shit anymore, it’s NOT FAIRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    even the first paragraph is insulting and i’m afraid to read more by my self!! it’s just soooo much. why would people do this???

    • Xena says:

      Hmm. Odd. On Dec. 4th, a Press Release for Lonnie’s petition was distributed. USAToday’s news feed received and published it. Then this article came a week later. Thank God for the free press, huh?

      • xena it’s so upsetting. this time i just lost it! how can we stop this?? i haven’t even read the whole thing because i started crying out of frustration!!!!!!! it’s like the twilight zone. how are the Martins dealing??? i’m so sorry for them AND Trayvon! he was A NORMAL KID! how dare they even say he was “sometimes troubled”??? am i being too sensitive?? what do you think ??

        • Xena says:

          how dare they even say he was “sometimes troubled”???

          Not as troubled as Jared Loughner, James Holmes, Adam Lanza, George Zimmerman.

          am i being too sensitive?? what do you think ??

          There’s nothing wrong with being sensitive especially since your sensitivity is based on compassion. Think about it like this — nothing anyone says in the media means a hill of beans when GZ comes to court. Forensics do not lie. The physical crime scene does not lie. GZ is toxic. He is toxic to others and himself. It is God’s plan that GZ spend the rest of his life in prison.

          • What teenage kid isn’t troubled?

            All teenagers struggle with problems and those problems often manifest in noticeable behaviors of one sort or another.

            That does not mean they are mad killers who deserve to be killed for walking home talking to their girlfriend in the rain or for playing loud music with their friends.

            That USA piece is a POS!

      • Malisha says:

        Surely what they mean is this: In today’s world of law and order, every African American parent should sit their kids down and tell them the following:

        1. Never say or do anything that could indicate to anyone in any way that you are not completely compliant, obedient and submissive at all times. If you do so, and if somebody chooses to shoot you some day, it will be all your fault.

        2. If anybody approaches you or follows you on a dark night, presume they are properly designated authorities with the right of law behind them, and conduct yourself accordingly. If you do not, and if they choose to shoot you, it will be all your fault.

        3. Never give a bad impression to any racists. If you do, racism will be all your fault.

        4. Be really careful. It may be that your being born Black was actually original sin.

        • Xena says:

          @Malisha. I get the humor you inject, but sovereign citizens do not believe that Black parents can raise children to be civilized. That would be like an animal training another animal to be civil. Only Masters have the ability to train animals to be obedient and if animals think otherwise, they are lynched or shot dead.

    • Jun says:

      Can anyone send in articles? I would like to send in an article that the photoshop of photos and the slander and smear campaign of a dead kid with false information and then I would like to pinpoint the falsities of the defendant and showcase his history for the world to see

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, I am with you all the way here. that photo shopped picture really needs to have the lid blown off of it. even some media outlets are slandering this kid and, it’s not fair for them to do so. the only trouble maker involved in this, is George Zimmerman. he is also the one who has brought the racism of this country back to the fore front. if Trayvon was a white victim, there is no way that he would have been treated like this in death.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It’s actually pretty fair and balanced if you read the entire thing. Have courage.

      • first of all in the first paragraph she said he was sometimes troubled. then she goes on to repeat every single BS exaggerated accusation the zimmerlovers repeat over and over. example: (loosely quoted) there’s evidence Trayvon was doing drugs; as if smoking a joint once in awhile is doing drugs! especially when what was found in his blood coulda been left overs of a poppy seed bagel!!
        and that he had an interest in MMA. this is NOT proven and there’s NO evidence of it like she says, especially that Trayvon had ever actually participated in it. It’s one thing to watch it and a whole other thing to do it. There is absolutely NO evidence he was ever violent at all. None of his suspensions were due to fighting. But she clearly alludes to it.
        Then she says “( his juvenile records are still sealed)” AS IF he has one!! She doesn’t know there are any. and even if he did she never should of said it like that b/c that leads idiots to *Think* he has one!

        but i can see how you think it’s fair or balanced, and i’m sure that was exactly what she wanted people to think. but i see into it, because i know the truth and too many of the real facts to buy it. and you gotta remember, most of the readers DO NOT know what we know.

        i did finish reading the part that was online, and it’s so inflammatory, IMO, that it’s almost as if the zimmerlovers wrote it in disguise of a journalist!

        i also noticed how poorly written it is, it’s amateurish and choppy! she sux as a writer!! i can’t believe this crap was even published like that in what i consider a pretty big time publication.

        I’m really not trying to be smart here, but i mean I would’ve done a better job writing that, and you can see how bad i write!! every single person who posts here writes 100X better than that! even me, if i tried harder:)

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Shannon – see my other remarks. I actually should have said I would call it fair and balanced in that it addresses both spectrums of the issue and invites the reader to think about whether Trayvon is really the thug that Z-supporters project or if he’s simply a human kid with strengths and weaknesses. See my other comment about “new journalism.” (which should only use verified facts, but these days, doesn’t always)

    • gblock says:

      A lot of the article is based on information from family and friends and is pretty fair to Trayvon. Still, the author has apparently bought into the gold grill and mixed martial arts claims which are so often made by the zimbots. Is there any actual evidence for either of these?

      • yeah, see, she goes, there’s two Trayvons
        One with gold teeth and tattoos, and did drugs and gets suspended.

        as if the family is blinded to the Trayvon that attacked the idiot, it’s like she’s got the real deal here, she’s gonna let the people decide which Trayvon is the real Trayvon..

        what kinds shit is this?? it’s just disgusting to *play* games with the memory of a dead child!! and then, and we all know this, neither the paper nor the author would have done that had he been white! THAT IS A FACT!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I’ve given up on media ever getting all their facts straight. This is not just a modern, current phenonema. It’s happened for decades – I’ve been reading newspapers and watching news since I was a little kid in the 1950s. Reported “facts” often get skewed and today, “new journalism” – the style in which this article is penned — is often mistaken for regular news reporting, so the lines between actual reporting and opinion have been further blurred.

    • Itr’s just plain BS to sell print and/or digital facetime. It contains absolutely NOTHING of value, and even inclusdes the already-recanted shit of “MMA blows”, gold teeth and tattoos. NOt a very professional piece at all.

      • fake gold teeth!!!
        he’s a damn teenager! so i must of been a real slut because i stuffed my bra when i was 12!!??

      • racerrodig says:

        Talk about sick and misguided not to mention they missed the big picture. Trayvon is very close to his dad. Trayvon gets in a little trouble and he gets a punishment, can’t play in the football game that day.

        Trayvon gets in a little trouble and he is real close with his dad and a just punishment is in order.

        Trayvon gets in a little trouble and he, being close with his dad, gets punished and stays with his dad.

        Notice that this article shows how dad is on top of things, not the horrible parenting the Zidiots say they were…..

        Fogen gets in trouble and there is no mention of his dad meting out any punishment, and to the contrary, blames others.

        Fogen commits a felony some years ago and one of his “friends” does a year in prison for him.

        Fogen assaults a cop strictly because he thought the cop was a civilian……any punishment ?? Naw….it was the cops fault.

        This is a pretty stark contrast considering what O’ Mara is trying to do. Even an article that tries to portray Trayvon as “Troubled” fails if you actually read all of it.

        • Xena says:

          Fogen has a gang tattoo. At the age of 18, Fogen’s parents ship him out of Virginia to Florida before their own retirement to that state. Makes me wonder what is in Fogen’s juvenile record.

          • racerrodig says:

            Let me say this about Fogen. I know for a fact that he was not sent because he was a good boy. His school records are probably a real doosey…..look at his college records.

          • Xena says:

            I know for a fact that he was not sent because he was a good boy.

            It is common for 18 yr olds just completing high school to go to another state to attend college. It would also be understandable if there was a job waiting on GZ in Florida. However, to purchase a house in Florida, and ship your 18 yr old, unemployed, ADHD son there with no adult supervision, raises eyebrows.

            After he gets there, he writes on his MySpace about confrontations with Mexicans when he was in Virginia, and how he could hit his boys up and they would serve a year for him and not tattle.

            Considering his gang tattoo, I am under the impression GZ was involved in gang activity and Papa Zim decided to ship GZ to Florida because at 18, he would be charged as an adult.

          • racerrodig says:

            Don’t be surprised if there is something revealed about him that makes your hair curl.

          • Xena says:

            Don’t be surprised if there is something revealed about him that makes your hair curl.

            HA! Ya think that’s possible? If he was being confronted by Mexicans with knives, I seriously doubt that he was not armed himself.

          • racerrodig says:

            I guaranteed someone would say if there was someone armed at the school in CT the shooting would not have happened and someone did.

            I guarantee there will be something found along the lines of what you say. I am sure we will find he was involved in something that would have send anyone else to prison. An armed confrontation maybe ?? Maybe worse ??

            It’s the Fogen Family…..need I say more ?

  10. LLMPapa says:

    This is the longest vid I’ve done. I started to break it up, but decided against it. There’s much I felt should be covered, so hope it’s not too long.

    The background music is from Lord of The Rings.

    • Xena says:

      LLMPapa. You have connected dots and support something I posted on my blog several weeks ago. When looking at the physical evidence, it becomes more and more clear that GZ cut Trayvon’s path off from the south. Dave’s video of the walk-through, also helped confirm that for me.

    • bettykath says:

      nice music. wish I could hear the words.

      • what!??! you don’t even have to watch it!

      • Xena says:

        @bettykath. There are no words in the video. Still, you might want to check the equalizer on your computer’s sound.

      • bettykath says:

        Shannon, you’re absolutely right. I don’t have to do anything I don’t want to do and I stopped watching the video just a few seconds in b/c there was someone speaking and I couldn’t hear the words enough to know what she was saying. Xena, if there are no words than I’ll just turn off the sound.

      • bettykath says:

        I watched it again, sound off so I wouldn’t be so frustrated. I still think there were words from the witnesses.

        Good job putting the pieces together.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        DeeDee speaks quietly, but you’ll hear the other witnesses over the music clearly. And you can always listen to the witness statements separately.

    • my god! it’s so obvious now!! this is exactly what happened!! he chased him toward the T, and then he held him down and shot him!! this is so scary!
      and serino never ever confronted him??

      Thank you LMM Papa.

      • gblock says:

        In addition, the beginning of the confrontation and altercation should have occurred close to where Trayvon’s cell phone was dropped – somewhat south of where his body ended up.

        • Xena says:

          Speaks volumes about why GZ never mentioned when and why he dropped his tactical flashlight, neither any mention of seeing Trayvon’s cell phone.

      • Valerie says:

        Definitely…the mantra of Zimsupporters…he could have made it home…well yeah!!…if Zimmerman hadnt cut him off and try to detain him.

    • Nefertari05 says:

      This is excellent. I’ve long believed Trayvon was cut off and impeded from his progress toward his dad/Brandi’s home. Being impeded/blocked from his destination was my first argument for self-defense on Trayvon’s behalf, last April. I also believe he shoved Trayvon, but that’s another issue.

      For me, it also explained the missing time that Fogen skips right over (he was going down RVC, parallel to the dogwalk, toward the cutthru, made a right and another right, which puts him on the path between Trayvon and Brandi’s).

      It also explained why Fogen could maintain, with a straight face, that he was walking back to his car. He was, but in a directional sense only, his *purpose* was entirely focused on finding Trayvon. It just so happened that his vehicle was in the same direction. A lot of lies contain a small crumb of truth, like when he reverses the dialogue between himself and Trayvon. The words may have been said, he just reverses who says it. As well as, the whole “I put my hand over his… He put HIS hand over my mouth” reversal.

      I’ve been trying to self-monitor and make sure I’m not falling into a confirmation bias mindset. But, it’s gotten to the point where I have accepted that the evidence leads where it leads, and if what I’m seeing and reading, from people whose opinions I respect, reaches the same/similar conclusions as I do, maybe it’s just because it is what it is.

      • bettykath says:

        “I’ve been trying to self-monitor and make sure I’m not falling into a confirmation bias mindset.”

        I’m so glad I’m not the only one! It’s necessary every step of the way.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I’d think that when GZ appeared behind him, that act alone was enough to “cut TM off”, because TM is probably not going to lead GZ to his house where there’s another possible victim. So, GZ’s following is what, very likely, turned TM away from his house.

          How could TM have spotted GZ behind him again, if he had not turned around to check before approaching his house? Then it follows that he didn’t go in and try to seek personal safety, says that he was trying to protect Chad from this crazy guy.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      So, it looks like Trayvon was a hero again, he was right near his house, but he refused to go in and endanger Chad. Instead he turned around and led his killer away from the house.

      I have no doubt that he had left the back porch door ajar/unlocked, so that he would not have to rely on Chad to reenter the house. Since we now know that going in through the front door, required a code and a key and Trayvon had no key on him.

      If he had gone inside the house, I have no doubt that GZ would have followed him in and very likely killed both kids, so there would be no witnesses. He could then use kitchen knives to create a picture of being assaulted. Explaining that Chad was shot by accident, as GZ attempted to save him from an armed burglar.
      Whatever story he came up with, it probably would have “worked” with the SPD having his back the way they did for 46 days.

      Instead, Trayvon accepted the danger to himself and refused to transfer it onto Chad. So he was the only hero out there that night.

      • leander22 says:

        he was right near his house, but he refused to go in and endanger Chad.

        That has been on my mind quite a bit too, combine that with the fact, how do you know what would be the best way to act concerning someone that has made up his mind about you? Wouldn’t anything you do somehow fit his preconceptions?

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Yes, but TM would have no idea what preconceptions GZ was working with. All he did know was that some big adult was following him and that seemed crazy. Obviously, any person with innocent/harmless intent would have spoken and identified themselves when they had the chance. GZ was acting in a crazed and abnormal fashion. That is what scared the life out of TM.

          When TM is caught and can no longer escape, he asks “why are you following me?” That tells the whole story right there. Trayvon was being followed. Trayvon had been captured and detained! Trayvon wanted to know why this was being done to him! GZ, on the other hand, was unconcerned about what TM might be thinking, GZ was unconcerned with the fear he was causing. He raised that level of fear by issuing another challenge “What are you doing around here?” Rather than explain why he might have any right to know what anyone was doing around there, he grabbed and detained Trayvon unlawfully while armed.

          In truth, GZ had no legal right to issue any such challenge! If it can be proven that GZ actually said “What are you doing around here!” in response to “Why are you following me?” Then GZ is guilty, guilty, guilty! Because he has no legal right to even be within Trayvon’s personal space, or even anywhere near him at all. Let alone issue challenges to strange children who he does not know, and to do so while carrying a fire arm.

          Maybe one might try to say that TM came back and confronted GZ with this “why are you following me?”, question. But that fails, because as the question indicates, Trayvon was concerned because he was being followed, and following was something that was against the law for GZ and he knew it. GZ was not in a place where he was allowed to be, because his purpose for going there was illegal.

    • leander22 says:

      Good you decided against cutting it up Papa. Very good work. I just looked at the latest treeslum argument concerning DeeDee learning a new American phrase along the way: Keysor Soze. I am still very, very afraid for her, and reading the tree’s does not help much in this context.

      You put much work into this, that’s why I probably have to watch it several times to completely understand. Which ultimately means I have to listen to the witnesses you used and have their drawings at hand. I realized one problem while watching this, notice, my problem not yours, that I probably never paid the attention these drawings deserve, since I don’t have any established synapses in my head that could help me to put the diverse witness drawings visually in context with the maps. Reminds me, has anyone ever compared them? In other words compared the “good reliable” witness drawings according to Jeralyn Meritt and the “unreliable bad” ones in this context? Is there a pattern?

      Something in the back of my mind. What could explain the Toyota key chain with tiny flashlight at the tree at the T-section in this scenario. Notice DeeDee’s statement close to his father’s house is relative, it even could have been around the T-section, considering Trayvon only had to walk down there.

    • Jun says:

      Today I figured I would cover the chase Trayvon Martin’s killer did to him, Cheorge Zimmernuts…

      Here is the evidence we have

      (1) Cheorge’s own phone call with police – it is very clear on the phone call Cheorge was stalking Trayvon and had ill will towards him. He provided evidence himself by stalking the kid and describing him to police, calling Trayvon an asshole who always gets away, a fucking coon/punk, then says “shit, he’s running” and proceeds to get out of his car and go after the kid. It was so clear what Cheorge was doing even the dispatch figured that he was stalking the kid, & tells him to stand down. Cheorge obviously refuses and continues his chase and stalking. Cheorge mentions 3 times that Trayvon is running away from him. The call ends at around 7:13:43pm.

      (2) Trayvon’s cell phone records prove that he was having a conversation with his girlfriend, who is codenamed Deedee (to protect her, and the reasons are many, as you may have seen the stalking and harassment and attempted intimidation from the Zimmernuts). Trayvon relays what he is doing and tells her of a creepy man stalking him. Trayvon runs for it and lets Deedee know. Trayvon is down the back pathway heading home, thinking he lost the creepy man Cheorge Zimmernuts, and starts walking back home. On part of the call, Trayvon relays that the creepy stalker is back and Trayvon continues to try to get away before being worn out and cut off and confronted by the creepy man. Deedee advises him to continue running but Trayvon says he is worn out and asks why the creepy man keeps stalking him. The confrontation begins.

      (3) There is a clubhouse video where I believe they are going to use the lights and video software to enhance what they are seeing. It is to show the general direction they are heading.

      (4) Witness 1 notes that she heard a kid making a weird noise and then heard a shot go off. She places the location of her testimony of what happened down south on the back pathway. This corroborates Deedee’s testimony and also adds more evidence that Cheorge continued stalking Trayvon. Her attributing the noises to a kid is also evidence that Trayvon was the one in danger, as he is the kid.

      (5) Witness 2 testifies that she heard and glanced at a chase that happened from the south, heading north toward the T. She heard yells for help, like a No No No or a Yo Yo Yo, and the screaming was ended with a gun shot. This also corroborates both witness 1, and Deedee’s testimony.

      (6) Witness 3 stated that she saw a man in a white top on top of another person and she heard screams for help and immediately called police. She states that the screams for help were halted with the gunshot. This is evidence that the screams of help were because of the fear of being killed by a gun, and then the screams were ended with the gun shot. This also adds to the evidence and corroborates the other 2 witnesses.

      (7) Witness 18 saw the encounter from the confrontation onward. She clearly notes by the tones of the voices that the aggressor was the adult, Cheorge Zimmernuts. She attributes screams for help to that of a young boy. She says that Cheorge was on top, killed the kid, ended the screaming with a gun shot, and simply rose up off the top of the kid. She can place where the confrontation instigated and where it moved to for the actual killing in the murder.

      (8.) Considering that Trayvon’s body was found about 63 feet south of the T, and to the west of the backpath way on the grass, head facing north, and the shell casing in a position where the shooter was facing north, along with a debris field south of the dead body, and the witnesses, the chase was started from Zimmerman’s car, then south down the back pathway, and then Zimmerman herded Trayvon north, and confronted him, instigated a struggle and then killed the kid. Zimmerman is clearly the aggressor.

      There you have it folks…. there’s more evidence of the chase but I figured I would just hit the strong points

    • Mike says:

      Powerful stuff papa, it shows this fight didn’t start at the T it started where martins phone was found. This is exactly why those at the CTH are afraid of her testimony.

  11. SpecialladyT says:

    Should or could MOM and his firm be investigated and charged criminally or ethically?

    • Sure, they could be investigated, but I don’t believe they would be charged, unless the investigation turned up a network of witnesses with interlocking statements independently corroborating each other and establishing that Mark O’Mara organized and directed a coordinated effort to harass and intimidate witnesses into refusing to testify against the defendant.

      • Malisha says:

        It would be too too televisiony. Won’t happen. And ethics complaints against O’Mara would never work either; he is a sacred cow and nobody will violate that rule.

      • bettykath says:

        O’Mara may be skirting the line with his choices of motion exhibits but I can’t imagine him being dumb enough to set up such a network or even “who will rid me of this”.

        I’d have more respect for him though if he posted something that took the harassers to task for their acts of intimidation.

        Is it possible that some of O’Mara’s acts are due to lack of experience in criminal cases, especially murder, and to a desire to aggressively defend his defendant but sometimes losing sight of where the high ground becomes the low ground?

        It’s got to be stressful and he’s not even getting paid.

      • Jun says:

        I am by no means a lawyer, but blaming and slandering a dead kid that got murdered by the defendant, threatening that the threats against the people deemed Deedee would not stop unless the State and others came forward with her identity and her social media handles, waving photoshopped pictures and depending on a recanted statement of witness 6 and VSA tests, thinking a kid’s school records and twitter or facebook would prove self defense, recusing a judge known as the fairest judge in that county for a judge known as the tiger, does not sound like the winning go to plans LOL

        • Xena says:

          @Jun. O’Mara is embarrassed. Remember when he said in one of the Oct. hearings that DeeDee used social media and he lifted up a piece of paper as though to prove that he had her tweets? Well, apparently he discovered that the tweets sent to him by the treeslummers are not for the real DeeDee. He doesn’t know if she is on Twitter and if so, what her handle is.

          Notice what the Professor wrote as an interpretation of O’Mara’s and West’s letter .

          “It’s your fault. Give us her social media handles, or else.”

          It’s a ploy but it’s also an admittance that GZ’s supporters have harassed and intimidated people who they believe are Witness #8.

          Attorneys Crump and Jackson are not responsible for GZ’s supporters’ actions and words.

      • Jun says:

        It is so inanely ludicrous and ridiculous and plain stupid, Xena. I can only see the wackos who support the defendant buying into his posting. He does sound mad LOL


        • Xena says:

          He does sound mad LOL

          Mad, frustrated, and embarrassed. He took info provided to him by GZ supporters that turned out to be untrue. He told the court that Witness #8 has social media and he had the proof — lifted up a piece of paper that for him, turned out to be as good as blank.

          It appears that every strategy the defense has attempted by the prompting of GZ’s supporters, has ended up as an embarrassment for the defense.

          It’s all God’s plan.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena and Jun, I say we should all open up a twitter and facebook account as deedee LOL. these people are all INSANE IN THE MEMBRAIN AND, (NOT MEMBRANE). why do the defense think they have any right to this kid’s social media accounts any way? she is not the one on trial here and Trayvon is definitely not on trial seeing that he is the *VICTIM* in this case. it’s really a sad state of affairs when the victim of a crime, who has no criminal record what so ever and is highly regarded by his teachers as well as others, is put on the defensive by his *murderer* and, his attorney. this things that are going on as far as this case goes, from the defendants side is a sin and a shame.

  12. @BettyKath, I said Zimmerman cousin the one he molested, Read further up you will see that i said in order for the TreePeople to know her name O’Mara or GZ had to tell them.

    • Malisha says:

      Surely Fogen told them his cousin’s name. He doesn’t feel brave without “his boys” behind him. Either his boys or his “piece.”

    • bettykath says:

      Jalessa, I don’t see that you identified the cousin as that of the defendant. But you’re right that someone in the defendant’s family could have identified her and she would become a target directly, not some other young women by mistake.

      So we’re talking about two different witnesses and one or two non-witnesses who have been harassed?

      I’m at a bit of a loss here b/c I only have O’Mara’s public letter to work with for information.

      • Malisha says:

        BK, I think the “cousin” is a witness who gave the FDLE a statement including the extraneous information that Fogen had molested her (by definition, though, it is not molestation unless there is a certain age difference between the perp and vic) when she was little. She caught a lot of flak and intimidation from the “Zim” crowd. Totally separate, two young African American women (or maybe still girls) were targeted because their names were DeeDee and they came from Miami or Miami Gardens. It was presumed that they were the witness “Dee Dee” when in fact they were not, and the witness who was on the phone with Trayvon when he was accosted by Fogen was not named DeeDee at all; that was an alias used to refer to her without using her name because she is a juvenile.

        So the general idea was that whoever was against Fogen was fair game for a full-on Internet and social media assault. Don’t DARE be on Trayvon’s side because then you’re a racist opportunist thug-promoter; and by the same token, being against Fogen, who is by definition a “decent American,” is to be against decent Americans and thus, to be wrong, wrongful and ipso facto “up to no good.”

      • bettykath says:

        Malisha, Thanks. I was beginning to sort it out that way. You gave me a short cut.

        Those harassing the defendant’s cousin should face witness tampering charges, harassment, etc..

        Those harassing the completely innocent “deedee”s might also. Certainly they should face charges of harassment.

  13. Malisha says:

    I don’t think DeeDee’s cousin is involved in any of the doxing expeditions. I think there was one flap about Fogen’s cousin (who was a witness) and another flap about some African American high school girls who were mis-identified as being the “DeeDee” who was on the phone with Trayvon when Fogen confronted him. I understand several people if not MANY people harassed and tried to intimidate the Internet-Individuals they thought were “DeeDee.” Shame on them, and double-shame for being stupid.

    • Lady2Soothe says:

      I was on vacation for several weeks…. I must have missed a name change. I know who Fogen is but will you please be so kind as to break down the acronym for me.
      Thank you

      • Fogen = may his name be FOrGottEN

        It’s an Ancient Egyptian and Hebrew curse that is uttered to disappear a person’s name thereby denying them any power over us as well as denying them immortality.

        Erasing a person’s name is a form of banishment that denies their existence while they still live.

        This curse recognizes that power is expressed by naming things, including people, and that once named, the name itself has power.

  14. Jun says:

    Here is the statute. It clearly states any attempts is also against the law.

  15. @Yes BettyKath, They had the wrong DeeDee but they didn’t know that? They had the right Cousin and pure terrorized the poor Woman, Putting all her info on FB even her arrest! And the CTH had a ball with it and the name calling.

    • Dave says:

      Judge Nelson will hear the killer’s suit against NBC and Judge Marlene Alva will hear Shellie’s perjury case.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO Great. Sounds like the suit will be dismissed because it is frivolous.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        WoW, this is certainly not what MOM was looking for! His lawsuit, designed to garner sympathy for GZ and show his supporters that they are being victimized, has wound up in the worst place he could imagine it would.

        Of course the suit can’t be won for reasons the Professor has explained, that doesn’t mean that hearings can’t be held, to determine if the issue being raised, is one that falls into the exclusion zone. Meaning that for this suit to even be put on hold, so that it can survive the trial, a hearing will have to be held, at which MOM will have to provide some supporting evidence.

        MOM will either have to withdraw the suit, or begin providing some sort of supporting evidence, in a case he can’t win, until after the criminal trial. So that now he’s got himself caught between a hard place and a hard place. Forget about the rock! The last thing he wants to do is to have to start putting on evidence. In a civil suit yet, that can still be used in the criminal trial too boot!

        Stupid, stupid, stupid. Even a high school student, thinking about law school, would have enough sense not to make a mistake like this. MOM is now failing “Pre Law 101”, wow!!!

        • jm says:

          So what is up with MOM?

          Greed? Fame? Winning at any cost for the sake of winning? Lost his mind? Sold his soul? Caught the evil virus from Chorge and his family? In over his head? Not that intelligent to begin with – relatively speaking?

          All of the above?

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Probably all of the above, his poorly thought out strategy has backfired and put him in a worse predicament than he was already in. That would not have happened if he had reasoned things out correctly. The small prize to be won with that suit, was not worth the damage it could potentially do, if a hearing had to be held right away.

            There’s a good reason they say take one case at a time. He decided to take on two cases and bang, now one is slapping him in the head with the other. He’s got to either withdraw one case and look like a fool, or keep them both and prove himself to be a fool.

            But hey, just like an “outhouser” his plan is, when he finds himself in a hole, he just keeps digging, only faster. lol 😀

          • racerrodig says:

            Moron O’ Mara

      • Xena says:

        My guess is that NBC will move to transfer the case to federal court.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Why would they do that and give MOM a break? They know he doesn’t want to put that self defeating evidence on, so this will force him to. After all, they didn’t file the suit. If MOM doesn’t want to answer the questions, needed for the judge to determine, whether this suit has merit, and/or when it will be time for it to be properly heard, the MOM will have to withdraw it. Either way it will make great theater for NBC and sell lots of advertising.

          My guess is NBC will not even bother to ask for any delays, nor will they even bother to challenge MOM’s right to put on the case. They’ll simply instruct their attorney’s to make as much inquiry as they can reasonably justify, into the matters surrounding the criminal case. MOM is trapped, watch as they hoist him on his own petard.

          • Xena says:

            Why would they do that and give MOM a break?

            I don’t know Lonnie — don’t see it as giving MOM a break, especially if NBC moves to transfer the case to federal court in NY where their corporate office located.

            They know he doesn’t want to put that self defeating evidence on, so this will force him to. After all, they didn’t file the suit.

            I’m sure that NBC will present affirmative defenses that will send MOM’s head into a swim.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            If they move the case now, it will lose the irony of being in front of the replacement judge MOM asked for. How could MOM and GZ not attend? Worse yet is if GZ or MOM is asked to take the stand to explain any theory as to why the case should not be dismissed, MOM would turn white as a sheet! He won’t be able to support his own side and he can’t be seen running away. But, he has to do one or the other. In short, there’s no way for him not to look really bad.

            If the tree people thought the last hearing went against them, wait until they see this.

      • Jun says:

        I think the hearing is for if the civil suit should even move forward

        I feel NBC has a case that it is frivolous and they should move to dismiss it on summary judgement

        but We will have to see

        Just My Opinion it is crap suit

        • Unless NBC and the other 3 defendants remove the case to federal court, the joint defense motion will be a motion to dismiss pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

      • Jun says:


        I just realized, since NBC is the defendant, they can open the door on character evidence on Fogenhats

      • Two sides to a story says:

        “I can’t figure out what his deal is.”

      • truthforlisa says:

        Wow, that couldn’t have worked out better if the state had planned it! LOL…sorry Chorgie, no $$$ for you!

    • racerrodig says:

      Fogen 0 State of FL 2

  16. Jun says:

    IMO, The state or Crump should not give him anything. It is not their fault, it is the fault of his rabid supporters, whom I have dubbed the cult. I am not worried because they have the evidence and whether or not the innocent girls who were harassed are witness 8 or not, they can face prison time. The evidence is there. They can attempt to hide behind proxies or deleting the twitter handles from which they did their crimes with, however, these are all on record in the twitter files and they will face indictment.

  17. Good post, Professor! GET.HIM.

  18. Digger says:

    Thank you Professor, What we need if more people who will stand up for decency. Lately I am finding it appalling how far the representative of our laws will go. You restore my faith in mankind.

  19. FactsFirst says:

    SMDH thinking… I swear Forgen and his “handlers” have one foot in hell, the other one on a banana peel…. Have they no shame?

    • ladystclaire says:

      FactsFirst, you are so right and, I would just love to push the foot on the banana peel and, help them on into hell. btw, I promise I didn’t see your SMDH, when I typed that same thing in the above comment that I posted. when I saw yours, I couldn’t help but LOL.

    • racerrodig says:

      I’m pretty sure there is a lot of grease on that banana peel.

  20. UPDATE: 28 dead (20 children and 8 adults, including the shooter)

    Sandy Hook Elementary School (grades K-4) in Newton, CT

    • Cercando Luce says:


    • ladystclaire says:

      The shooters mother is also among the dead and, his brother was found dead in his home, in Hoboken, NJ. gun violence in this country is at an all time high and there seems to be no stopping it. SMDH

      • racerrodig says:

        I guarantee some Zidiot will state “…if the teachers all had guns, this would never have happened……” I guarantee it.

        • Xena says:

          I guarantee some Zidiot will state “…if the teachers all had guns, this would never have happened……” I guarantee it.

          You’re absolutely correct. That is what some of them said about James Holmes — if people in the theater had guns, They did not acknowledge that Holmes was covered head to feet with bullet proof clothing. I suppose someone with a handgun was suppose run to Holmes and shoot him in a big toe just before he shot them in the head.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Someone on one of my email lists said that they were all very lucky that there weren’t more armed people in the theater. Untrained people, jumping up and firing in panic, would very likely have resulted in more deaths, not less. As armed people in a panic would not know or wait to identify the real problem, but just start firing at the first person they saw aiming a gun.

            I you had been taking cover from the gun man, you’d be surprised to hear gunfire come from behind you all of a sudden. How would you know that there weren’t two insane gunmen? In desperation you might have panicked and left your covered position. What a terrible mess would have been made.

          • racerrodig says:

            Zidiotic Gun NutZZ Logic.

      • SpecialladyT says:

        The comment was already made on the most recent Zidiot thread on IN Session! Take a peak.

      • Malisha says:

        The school shooting would never have happened if Lanza’s father had shot HIM this morning. How’s that for a scenario?

    • racerrodig says:

      Psycho’s with guns. The only thing that could happen positive from this is better gun control. We can only hope.

      • grahase says:

        Actually, mentally disturbed people are more likely to be victims. Let us get to the root cause and not discuss the mental state of the shooters. The root cause is the gun(s).

        • racerrodig says:

          With all due respect, cite some cases. I can cite many case where the psycho with the gun is the killer.

          • grahase says:

            Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.1 In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada.3 Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.

            In the U.S., mental disorders are diagnosed based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV).

          • racerrodig says:

            With all due respect, this is common knowledge and you did not answer the question. You stated the psycho’s are the victims of gun violence. The opposite is the case almost every time.

          • grahase says:

            When looking at the rates of violent crime overall — homicide, for instance — the best estimate is that 5% to 10% of murders are committed by people with mental illness. But a far larger proportion of mass homicides, including the brutal July 2011 attacks in Norway, the Tucson, Ariz., shooting that wounded Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, involve perpetrators with mental illness. The proportion far outstrips the rates of mental illness in the population.

            Do you need me to go on.

          • racerrodig says:

            With all due respect, you said the best estimate 5 to 10 % ??

            No, you don’t need to go on.

      • Lady2Soothe says:

        A Culture of Violence: The celebration of everything that’s wrong with America

        When are we going to stop blaming guns and start blaming our sick culture? I find it pretty ironic that the same idiots in the media who yell the loudest about gun control legislation, are the same people who can’t stop fawning over every bit of filth pushed out of Hollywood. These people are obsessed with violence, and they promote it every chance they get.

        Violence is Celebrated in this Country.

        From the daughter of Mafia boss John Gotti getting her own reality T.V. show, to the countless number of violent criminal rappers who have become mainstream millionaires, it seems violence and crime are celebrated in this country. The more trouble these celebrities get into, the more the media seems to hold them up on a pedestal.

        Read more:

      • ladystclaire says:

        Hello racer, we in this country have been in need for better gun control laws for years. I don ‘t really see things changing for the better either. those who support a child murderer, are those who worship guns and those who are racist. this kind of thing will always be here with us in this country and, that’s a fact. as long as the NRA and the gun lobby folks are around, we can expect more sick people owning and buying guns.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        One could argue that any time a person kills another in a moment of fear/anger/hatred, that they are mentally ill or mentally unstable, at least temporarily.

      • cielo62 says:

        Racerrodrig: With all due respect, cite some cases. I can cite many case where the psycho with the gun is the killer.

        In Houston, many calls to the police re: a mentallly unstable family member usually ends up in a dead family member. Cops especially have no trianing and no patience in dealing with the mentally ill. EVEN WHEN TOLD AHEAD OF TIME, the cops will shoot to kill instead of waiting for a professional to show up. I concur with grahase in this case. The mentally ill are at a great disadvantage; there are few if any place to go to get help, and when your family DOES call for help, they get a dead family member instead. Houston cops suck, are overly aggressive, rude, violent thugs with badges. Thank GOD for video cameras, as we are now catching more of the bad ones doing illegal things under color of law.

        • racerrodig says:

          That’s not what the conversation was originally about. It got turned completely backwards by someone. My point is…..

          There are far to many crimes and murders committed by psychos with guns. There cannot be any denial of this. Then someone said there are more psychos that are the victims of guns. Huh ??

        • racerrodig says:

          How did this get so far off the point ?

          • cielo62 says:

            Ummmm, maybe because somebody mentioned that maybe mental illness should be blamed instead of the easy accessability of guns. And then someone else mentioned (grahase?) that many mentally ill are ALSO victims of gun violence. And then I threw in my own 2 cents about the violence done against the mentally ill by cops (I’ve read so many here in Houston these past 20 years, it makes me sick), and then I just included this article. The ISSUE is NOT mental illness, although the lack of decent mental health care in America is obscene; it’s the easy access and love of powerful handguns that people have in this nation. That this monster’s mother had SIX powerful weapons in her house with mentally unstable son, just makes me totally angry! How STUPID can denial get? WHY does ANYONE want to be “gun collector”?


          • racerrodig says:

            My point is real simple and maybe some addition is needed. There is no doubt and it cannot be denied that there are psychos, mentally unbalanced, diagnosed or not, it does not matter that have access to guns. From Fogen on, up & down – left & right. I don’t deny that everyone, including mentally impaired are victims. When we have a blog or a thread on that, no problem, but someone made it seem I was wrong and the mentally impaired are the only victims.

            There are so many “Columbine’s” and Fogens it is astounding yet they can get guns. I was raised around guns and have been shooting since I was about 12, dad, was a cop. I was taught everything there was known about safety AND responsibility. I own guns that were willed to me and 2 have historical significance.

            Let me say I’ve been ticked off at a few people in my time and never even considered going Fogen on anyone. Why ?? It’s common sense, restraint, training, lack of any mental instability and so on. I don’t dream about guns nor would I have one loaded in the house despite the old “…it’s useless if it ain’t loaded…” line. Our godson committed suicide with a handgun purchased by his parents less than 24 hours before he shot himself. My wife & I did everything to dissuade them as this 21 year old had every mental disability there is. But No !! They had to have a gun…..They treated it as if it were a toy. Psycho’s with guns …..irresponsible parents, you name it, it needs to be changed.

          • cielo62 says:

            Racerrodig- I am sorry I misunderstood! I am in total agreement with you! U do not own guns, my dad had some small calibre handgun in the house but I never saw it nor shot it. I am all for responsible gun ownership but that seems to be such a complete failure. The only other thing then becomes stringent measures to control them, like morphine. By no means do I think I have the answers to prevent mass murders like this in the future, but you are right- something needs to change and no matter what, SOME people are gonna be unhappy.

            Sent from my iPod

          • cielo62 says:

            “I” don’t own guns. Sorry for that typo

            Sent from my iPod

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Unbelievable. How many more horrific mass deaths do we need before re-examining gun control and the right to bear arms? I fear that more innocent children will have to die before the REAL dialogue begins.

      • cielo62 says:

        Based on a quote by the current president of the NRA, it would take 1,000 dead children before they will back off. But hey, at least he gave a nice round number, huh.

      • truthforlisa says:

        Pardon me for butting into the gun control debate, but I disagree with banning guns. Had an armed school resource officer been on the grounds of that school, it’s entirely possible that the tragedy at Sandy Hook wouldn’t have happened. I’m a firm believe in the 2nd Amendment, I grew up shooting guns at my grandma’s farm, and will be getting my first handgun very soon, in addition to my conceal and carry. It is for protection only.

        • racerrodig says:

          I win !! I guaranteed somebody would say that if there were guns on the school grounds this would not have happened. I guaranteed it.

          • Xena says:

            Tim Wise has a good article that addresses reality from fantasy regarding the more guns belief.


          • racerrodig says:

            Very good article. My dad was a cop and that was the thing & tese are his quotes.

            “There are to many guns….most owned by wackos”

            “Check your guns at the door……..on the way out”

            “Any civilian who leaves the house armed is LOOKING for trouble”

          • truthforlisa says:

            We have a school resource officer at our school here(small town so we’re pre-K-12), and he is a POST trained officer. Every school needs this. We have had a couple of different scares in the past 2 years at our school, but none have turned out tragic. I believe that an armed school resource officer at every school would be a deterrent to a potential shooter.

          • racerrodig says:

            That has already been proven to be false. There have been police officers in schools, my son’s has one, that were not where the shooting started, or were the 1st one shot.

            For the record….More guns or more people with guns in not the answer.

          • truthforlisa says:

            So, racer, you’re for gun control laws? I’m as liberal as they come, but I don’t believe gun control is the answer. Take away guns, they’re gonna come with knives, pipes, bombs, etc.

          • cielo62 says:

            Lisa~ at least tell the truth. Its OBVIOUS by your posts that you do NOT advocate gun control. A person hell bent on causing harm WILL find a way to hurt others, true. BUT a deranged person can be disarmed faster and easier when the weapons are not distance weapons. A band of people could disarm a knife, a club, a pipe


          • racerrodig says:

            Thank you, I said basically the same thing. Bring a knife and I’ll take my chances. The bomb thing is a bit melodramatic however.

          • racerrodig says:

            Forget bombs, don’t be so melodramatic. Knives, they have to get close and these gun clowns don’t do that. There must be a better way of screening. Buttttttttttttt Nooooooooo that infringes on ones rights to privacy, so let ’em have guns.

            Are you aware Fogen did not have a legal permit ?? He applied for a refund before his permit was issued…..Why ? He knew his psycho meds would prevent that. He applied for a permit, then the refund and in all likelihood the corrupt Chief Lee made a call and some low level clerk was bamboozled into fixing the “paperwork glitch” His refund was in the 1st evidence dump so my record is clean on psychos with guns.

          • truthforlisa says:

            Race, I hope you didn’t take offense to my comment. Cielo, you either. I confess, I’m the fiance of a sheriff deputy, who carries a GUN, and I’m about to get my CCW as well. I agree there needs to be something done about gun laws. It’s just going to be harder than not letting the pyschos get to them.

          • racerrodig says:

            Nobody ever said it would be easy. My dad was a cop, you’re preaching to the choir & I’m a gun owner.

            The point is that there MUST be a control process in which the irresponsible and mentally disabled of any kind and degree cannot have access to guns.

          • truthforlisa says:

            Then I believe that we agree, sir. 🙂

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            In my estimation, the first step that should be taken, is to be as sure as possible that, people who legitimately own guns, secure them, so that they cannot be used in unauthorized fashions by unauthorized people. I think that a 2500 dollar fine for a first offense of failure to secure her weapons, maybe 5000 for a second offense and 90 in jail for a third offense, would probably have caused her to lock up her guns when she wasn’t using them.

            Her son tried to find other ways to obtain weapons and failed, only his mother’s failure to secure her weapons aided him.

          • racerrodig says:

            I could not agree more but the difficulty is policing this. Usually we only find out about someone getting into an-others guns is like this case and it’s too late.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Well we’re no fans of preventive criminalizing, so there’s not a need for that sort of front running. All that’s needed is examples, when it happens we set the example that others will want to avoid. Someone whose gun is discovered in unauthorized hands, is subject to fine or imprisonment or both, depending on how many times this has happened.

            The beauty of it is, it doesn’t take a death or anything else to have the sanctions kick in. Just having a gun you owned, found somewhere it doesn’t belong is enough. Every gun owner will either securely lock up their weapons, or, if they can’t afford to, they’ll get rid of them. Maybe even start a new business, firing ranges and gun shops could also provide secure storage as well as provide rentable showrooms for collectors to display their collections.

          • racerrodig says:

            ” Maybe even start a new business, firing ranges and gun shops could also provide secure storage as well as provide rentable showrooms for collectors to display their collections.”

            That is actually a really good idea.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Thanks, maybe we can find some way to spread it?

          • racerrodig says:

            Spread it ?……hell, lets hog it up ! Franchises !!

          • cielo62 says:

            Count me in! I want to retire in style!

            Sent from my iPod

          • racerrodig says:

            No Problem… least some sane people would have the key to guns locked up……….’bout time!!

          • cielo62 says:

            great idea lisa~ and would you ALSO be willing to supply all the extra money associated with having armed response at each and every campus? My school district has it’s own police department. The FASTEST response is like 15 minutes. There just isn’t enough MONEY to get enough COPS in each campus on the “chance” that some deranged gunman or angry and armed parent comes to the school! We haven’t had a raise in pay in I don’t remember HOW long, and it doesn’t look like its gonna happen this year, either. More guns is NOT the answer.


          • racerrodig says:

            Even with active police officers in a school, the nuts still find a way. The answer is keep guns out of the hands of the psychos.

            Back about 1994 in our town a psycho had a fight with his girlfriend who was a waitress in a fairly upscale steakhouse. Eating his dinner on Sat night, with his marked car outside was the Chief of Police from the next town over. There was a uniformed officer there as his car, from our town, was also parked right in front .

            Psycho man walks right in, goes past the cop, tells the hostess his party is in the back, walks past the Chief and into the kitchen. There he opens fire wounding his girlfriend. The officer that was out front was shot and killed and the Chief was in a position he could not open fire because of the patrons. You tell me what the answer was?? If you know the situation and the building layout, the only out was better gun control. Period, end of story.

            By the way, the officer was a very close friend and I miss him, the Chief I also knew as he was an employee of the race track that is 10 minutes from here that is my “Home Track” and he was my best friends father in law.

            The only solution was preventing this nut from access to a gun.

      • SlingTrebuchet says:

        racerrodig said:
        “The point is that there MUST be a control process in which the irresponsible and mentally disabled of any kind and degree cannot have access to guns.”

        Getting back to the main topic, we are talking an and/or for Zimmerman here?

        The movie’s phrase applicable to getting that sort of access to guns cutailed is “a world of pain”.
        I mentioned Zimmerman’s drug intake in a forum of the “knee-jerk-that-George-is-a-hero” variety.
        There was a chorus of slap-downs saying that such drug intake was quite normal and unconcerning. I got the impression that they were speaking life as they knew it. Wut? Most of the NRA on Adderall and similar?

        The drugs apparently keep you ‘normal’ by some miraculous chemical cocktail process in which doctors/bartenders try a bit of this and that in response to what they judge the patient and/or the drug company representative indicates.
        And anyway …they said .. those drugs make you nice and comfy – unlike small traces of pot, which make you totally ultra-violent.
        You get the drift.
        If a drug is prescribed by a doctor, nothing can possibly go wrong. The drug totaly cures whatever the condition was. Even if you scew with the dosage.

        I think the NRA could be embarassed by a mass campaign to agree on restrictions for certified psychotics currently confined in high-security facilties. Beyond that, I have my doubts.

  21. ladystclaire says:

    @bettykath, I can’t believe what you wrote in the beginning of your comment. even though the two girls that were bullied by Zimmerman’s KLAN, were not the correct person, they still need to be held accountable for their actions. if and when they find out who they are, they need to have charges brought against them and justice should for once in this country be swift and sure. Frank Taaffe for one is guilty of this and, I wouldn’t doubt that RZ’Jr is also guilty of this. I say, arrest them all and, that would include O’mara for not putting a *STOP* to this when he knew it was going on!

    • bettykath says:

      I never suggested that the harassers should not be charged. In fact, I said that they should be charged. Please read more carefully.

    • grahase says:

      Allow me to give n example: In the early days of this case, Spike Lee gave out the address he believed belonged to the Zimmerman’s. Turned out to be wrong and that family was forced to move because of harassment. The family had absolutely NOTHING to do with this case. Should Spike Lee be charged or was he charged. What was his purpose.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I think he could be sued in a civil suit. And being who he is, he should offer compensation, if he hasn’t already. He did apologize publicly, did he not?

        • grahase says:

          I guess that is what the scum who doxed the wrong DDs should just apologize and all will be well. Sometimes an – I am sorry, here is a few bucks – just doesn’t make it okay. I guess if you are a public figure and you have the bucks, it is a different story. Judging by the comments re: the CTH doxing, there is a double standard. So, who is on the side of right and wrong is my question.

        • Xena says:

          I think he could be sued in a civil suit. And being who he is, he should offer compensation, if he hasn’t already. He did apologize publicly, did he not?

          Lee apologized and paid a significant settlement back in March.

          Now, did GZ apologize and have his media advocates tell the public that he was not hiding out at his parents’ house? No.

      • roderick2012 says:

        @ grahase

        Spike Lee only re-tweeted what he thought was the address of GZ’s parents and he apologized.

        What you’re missing is that Spike Lee’s intent was not to harass GZ’s parents because they were potential trial witnesses unlike the Zimbots.

        @ Two sides to a story

        Spike did offer them compensation. I believe he covered their hotel expenses.

  22. bettykath says:

    Jalessa, I think you meant to say they harassed two young women by mistake, not two witnesses.

    • hello!? ignorance is not a defense! like Prof just said, it matters what thier intent was, not that there was mistaken identity!!

    • ladystclaire says:

      @betttyksth, no matter who or what they were, they were still harassed by these *MORONS* and should be brought to justice. this really needs to stop as well as the campaign to keep smearing this kid and his family. THE WORLD IS WATCHING AND, I’M SO GLAD THEY ARE.

    • PYorck says:

      I may be wrong because my little knowledge is mostly limited to German law. At least around here whenever an attempt is punishable it doesn’t matter if the attempt ever had a chance to be successful.

      • Malisha says:

        PYorck, I have a hilarious story about that, took place in the state of Mississippi.

        Two brothers had run-ins with the law in a small town (one judge) and one brother ended up in prison. The one who was still free wanted to kill the judge so he consulted a voodoo practitioner. She said, “Get me some of the judge’s hair and I’ll put a curse on him and he will die.” So the brother followed the judge all around town trying to collect his hair. Someone heard about it and told; they prosecuted him for attempted murder. The prosecutor said, “Whether the method he chose would work or would NOT work, the point is that he TRIED and that is the crime of atttempted murder.” The jury convicted him and he got 11 years! (I will be you after that the judge shaved his head.)

    • Jun says:

      here is the federal law. It says on their “attempted” is even a crime. It does not say that the intimidation has to be successful.

    • Malisha says:

      O’Mara blaming Crump and Jackson for not trying to mitigate the harm done to one person (or three) who was not his client by another person (or ten) who were not his clients is just O’Mara’s way of blaming the victim again. O’Mara fanned the flames under those psycho-Treepers and he was in that camp with Taaffe explaining how bad Trayvon Martin was (“with his pants down”). O’Mara had control of that situation, far more than anybody on the Trayvon side of the case. By O’Mara NOT coming out on his web-page condemning the behavior and castigating those who indulged in it, he was doing a “Khoumeini” on everyone. Remember 1980, the Iranian hostage crisis? Khoumeini said, “This was not our government doing this act; it was some unruly students; we have no control” and systematically blamed the victims.

      This technique is not new.

      It is as old as the waste dumps around Rome, circa year 4 AD. And smells just as good.

      • cielo62 says:

        This technique is not new.

        It is as old as the waste dumps around Rome, circa year 4 AD. And smells just as good.

        WOW! You remember that long ago? 🙂

    • Cercando Luce says:

      If “Deedee” is intimidated by their harassment of others they mistake for her, they have violated SS1512.

  23. They CTH bunch harassed both these Witness, Even posting an arrest of the Cousin, For The TreePeople to know which Cousin it was it had to come through O’Mara or the Zimmerman> The Poor Lady closed he FB page due to the harassment!

  24. colin black says:

    Bettykath just because they were to stupid to find the real witness 8 doesnt change there intent..That was to stop the genuine girl from giveing evidense against the acussed..Thats attempting to pervert the course of justice.

    • bettykath says:

      I’m sure that they can be charged with something, but I’m not so sure about intimidating a witness.

    • Jun says:

      they can be indicted on cyber stalking and harassment and witness intimidation because their intent was to distress witness 8, so they just harassed whom they believed was witness 8, and in accordance with Omara’s musings on his website, he is trying to use that to intimidate Crump or the State to give up the handles but now they have good reason and evidence to not give him anything now and the Judge will agree with it. Omara should give up who has been harassing whom they allege is witness 8 because I believe he is behind it.

      • bettykath says:

        I really have to doubt that O’Mara is behind the harassment. His statement pointing a finger at the state was unfortunate. His statement at a whole and in every particular should have been addressed completely and unequivocally to those doing the harassment.

      • Malisha says:

        The bizarre thing about this case is the persistent ridiculous idea that the folks who WANT Fogen convicted should NOT want him convicted, that they are being unfair for wanting him convicted, and that the RIGHT attitude about this whole thing would be for them all to accept the idea that Trayvon Martin was an aggressive and lawless hoodlum who forced poor Fogen to have to kill him! For anybody to NOT go along with the program, according to the defense, they have to have some kind of “real suspicious” ulterior motive. Fogen is seeking “justice”; those others who think what he did was wrong all have bad motives; they are all being bad and greedy and trying to take advantage of immoral and low-class behaviors to deprive a decent American of his rightful place in the good world!

        Those people actually think this way. They are actually deluded enough to not see past this insane and illogical set-up they want everyone to accept. It’s the same as Fogen approaching Trayvon Martin after “he ran” — since they are RIGHT, the only RIGHT thing to do would be to accept them as the authority and go along with it. Other conduct is ipso facto WRONG.

        I think they really believe this. I think even O’Mara believes this!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        It seems as if OM puts himself in the position of publicly condemning certain behaviors, but off the record, secretly supports these behaviors if they help Fogen Magoo.

      • Jun says:

        I do not get these people

        they ask for due process, yet Trayvon Martin gets zero due process, especially since even the cops investigated him and found nothing at all, and he is automatically a no good thug with no evidence of such actions

        so basically they are arguing that people can kill people, just because they felt they were protecting their neighborhood, and just because they felt the person they killed was “up to no good, because he is walkin round lookin about and he looks black and he has his hands in his waistband and he’s a black male”

        I know some hate the comparisons but that is like Nazi law

        The reason we have the laws we have in place is because it would be wrong to just judge someone with no evidence and then finding them guilty with no evidence because to do any type of wrong is actually an insult

        Bottom line – he killed a kid that he kept following, stalking or going in the same direction as, when the police told him it was not even necessary. Whether they agree or not, if the killing is not justified, it is a minimum of manslaughter with a firearm on a minor and that draws an aggravated sentence in Florida

        Fogen and his wacko supporters are detrimental to society and community

  25. esentrick says:

    MOM is detestable to me..ughh!

  26. bettykath says:

    I would think that those who bullied to the two non-witnesses would not be charged with intimidation of a witness b/c their targets were not witnesses. I’m not sure about the charges since they missed their real target.

    I don’t see how the state releasing DeeDee’s twitter handle or any other social media identity is pertinent. Nor could the state stop the harassment except by complaint from those who were harassed. If they were harassed and complained about it, I would expect the state to be going after their harassers regardless of O’Mara’s concerns.

    Is there no way for O’Mara to discuss his concerns with appropriate people if he has unique information about harassment except by public letter?

    • PYorck says:

      I would think that those who bullied to the two non-witnesses would not be charged with intimidation of a witness b/c their targets were not witnesses. I’m not sure about the charges since they missed their real target.

      Is the attempt punishable, too?

      • bettykath says:

        I hope so.

      • Jun says:

        Yes it is. Natalie Jackson has already cataloged the evidence. It does not matter, because now they can prove intent. Their goal was to intimidate witness 8. It is still witness intimidation, whether or not successful, and cyber stalking and harassment and uttering threats. Hope they enjoy their 15 years in prison. Nobody deserves that, just because those dirtbags think it is witness 8, and it is not the fault of the state or Crump, but the negligence of Omara and the defense and the defendant. I would not be surprised if they tie it to the defendant himself who has done this.

    • They intended to harass and intimidate a person, whom they believed to be a witness, and they committed acts they believed would harass and intimidate that person.

      Why should their mistaken belief, that the person they harassed and intimidated was a witness, be a defense to the charge?

      Would your answer change, if you knew that Dee Dee knows what happened and is terrified about what might happen to her?

      • ladystclaire says:

        Thank you Professor!

      • Malisha says:

        Those should be federal charges. They used interstate commerce on the Internet to commit those crimes of harassment and intimidation.

      • racerrodig says:

        They will use the Zidiot logic just like when Fogen assaulted the cop.

        “If I knew he was a cop (or not DeeDee) this never would have happened”

        Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh That Brilliant Bumpkins

      • bettykath says:

        If it can be shown that DeeDee knew about it and that she was the actual target, then I’m sure that would up the charges. I guess harassing and/or threatening family or friends or someone you think is the target could be considered witness tampering.

        fwiw, in case you haven’t figured it out, I tend to be very careful about jumping on any band wagon without considering the whys, wherefores, and other possibilities. Rational arguments work to move me, emotional rants don’t.

        • I asked you those questions knowing that you were probably correct when you said that a tampering charge would fail since neither victim was a witness.

          You also were correct to say other charges could be filed.

          The more interesting legal question, I think, is whether a witness tampering charge would lie if the real Dee Dee heard about what happened to the two girls and was intimidated.

          I honestly don’t know the answer off the top of my head, but I suspect the answer is “Yes,” because they committed an act or acts with intent to intimidate a witness and that is what happened, although in a less direct way than intended.

          This is like a transferred intent problem where A shoots intending to kill B, but misses and kills C, whom A did not intend to kill.

          In this situation, A’s intent to kill B transfers to C and A will be found guilty of intending to kill C.

          A criminal law class in law school is a seemingly endless parade of these sorts of brain teasers.

      • bettykath says:

        Professor, thank you for an excellent response that is exactly on point. You’ve addressed my questions (even if I didn’t state them as questions) quite thoroughly.

    • Dan Q. Smith says:

      A public letter blaming the State? It’s obscene.

    • Dennis says:

      6.18.1512A2 Obstruction of Justice – Witness Tampering Through Physical Force or
      Threat of Physical Force (18 U.S.C. ‘ 1512(a)(2)(A) or (B))

      6.18.1512B Obstruction of Justice – Witness Tampering Through Intimidation,
      Threats, or Corrupt Persuasion (18 U.S.C. ‘ 1512(b)(1) and (2))

      I don’t think it matters if the targets were not actual witnesses. Their intended victim was Dee Dee and that is all that matters.

  27. SpecialladyT says:

    Excuse my language, but what the PHUCK is wrong with Mark OMara, is HE serious?!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!

  28. itsallboutmeash says:

    If you had just told us we were terrorizing the wrong person we would have stopped and got the right one.

    Oh yeah and the term “handlers” WTF like they are animals. Just what the freak wanted to really say.

    • I’d like to hear Mark O’Mara explain to the nation why he is not a racist.

      • jm says:

        Seriously, all you are going to get from MOM as to why he is not a racist is some double-talking gibberish with soundbites and lies, not unlike RZ Jr. It is their specialty.

      • Tzar says:

        jm says:
        December 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm

        Seriously, all you are going to get from MOM as to why he is not a racist is some double-talking gibberish with soundbites and lies, not unlike RZ Jr. It is their specialty.

        he seems to be fluent in jibbuh jabbuh double talk
        swears he is fooling everybody

      • Malisha says:

        It’s only the victim’s handlers who say he is! And we all know that the only reason they say so is to get money! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! 🙄

      • SpecialladyT says:

        Hi professor,

        What will the repercussions be for MOM for pulling such an incomprehensible stunt yesterday?

      • Malisha says:

        Professor, if I’m not mistaken, here’s the explanation:

        “I am not a racist because I am representing a half-Hispanic man who was savagely attacked and then, in spite of the fact that it really upset and frustrated the police, the State sought to hold him responsible for simply killing his assailant, and all because he’s a decent American. Ahem. Ahem. And I have Black friends too; some of them are the same ones who are friends with my client, Mr. Poornose Bonkhead the Third.”

      • Jun says:

        RZ Junior likes to claim he is not racist, and then goes aheads and blames Obama, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Crump, Natalie Jackson for his brother’s arrest and calling him a racist and also his brother LMAO

    • iam, “handlers” offended me too.

      it’s absurd that this isn’t somehow looked into by law enforcement or at least the Florida bar. his constant denigrating and threatening language can’t be tolerated by the community!!

      • racerrodig says:

        What should we call Fogens handlers….

      • racer said: “What should we call Fogen’s handlers…”
        If justice prevails, by this time next year we’ll be calling Fogen’s handlers….Guards.

        • racerrodig says:

          Guards !! I love you !! That’s real Good !!

        • GreyWS, Hell yeah!! lOLOL

          GZ: guards! there’s this suspicious guy, he looks white, and he’s just looking at me now.

          Guard: just let me know if he does anything else.

          GZ: guard, it’s not raining in here, but he’s standing under the stairs just looking about.

          Guard: are you hiding under your bunk?

          GZ: yup

          Guard: because we don’t need you to do that.

          GZ: umm, guard, he’s got his hands on his waist band.

          GZ: Guard!!! i think he has something in his hand! Help me, help me help me!

          • racerrodig says:

            Very Good ! I used to annoy the snot out of the Zidiots on HP with this script.

            “……um, Warden…, this Cheorge again…and there’s been a lot of pillow theft up here on cell block #9 and there’s ……, ok, I can wait.” (hysterical laughter in background)”

            “…..ok, I’m still here, but there’s a lot of suspicious black guys here and we need to start a…… Watch up here…..what? can I follow him……….yep……..but, um………….not very far”

            and this one

            Hey Bubba………………George just stole your favorite pillow !! What ?…………….Yeah, he’s over there……..Oh and he’s got a button on his shirt…..

      • truthforlisa says:

        racerrodig says:
        December 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm
        What should we call Fogens handlers….

        Hopefully soon it will be “warden” 🙂

    • Valerie says:

      I do not like the term “handlers” that Omara uses to describe the Martin’s family attorney.It is very disrespectful and unprofessional coming from a lawyer.

      • racerrodig says:

        As if Fogen is handler free Bwa hahahahahahahahahahaha.
        he has Moldy O’ Mara, Pa Pa Z, Osterman, Jr, and who knows who else. Fogen is incapable of function without them.

      • bettykath says:

        It’s not ok to refer to Martin family “handlers” (I agree), but it’s ok to refer to defendant’s “handlers”? Double standard?

      • Xena says:

        I do not like the term “handlers” that Omara uses to describe the Martin’s family attorney.It is very disrespectful and unprofessional coming from a lawyer.

        It’s a dog whistle that demeans Trayvon’s parents, reducing them to animals. O’Mara is a licensed attorney as well as Crump and Jackson. He knows, or has good reason to know, that attorneys are “counselors” to their clients and not “handlers.”

      • Malisha says:

        BettyKath, if Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin were going on television on Tuesdays and Fridays, and had offered to send thank-you cards with their own signatures on them, I would allow that it is OK to identify folks as their handlers. There is a double standard. The defense gets to criticize ANY ACTIONS that do not agree with complete exoneration of their client. Yet any actions that denigrate, demean, degrade, cast aspersions upon, slight, insult, or even curse the family and supporters of the deceased innocent victim are forgiven because after all, they are just defending someone who is entitled to be presumed innocent. I am no respecter of Fogen’s respectability or that of his very vocal and critical preemptive strike team; I am a respecter of Fogen’s rights. He has a right to defend himself. He has a right to go on TV selling his story. He has no right to my respect.

      • cielo62 says:

        Malisah~ his greatest right was the Right ti remain Silent. He has YET to use that right.

  29. racerrodig says:

    I went on his site & ripped him for this move. I’ve done this 5 or 6 times over the last few months and have yet to get a response. I also e-mailed RZ jr and tore him apart about his filth.
    I have yet to get any response from any of them. Bastards!

  30. Tzar says:

    Well it seems that the cloth he is cut from is becoming more and more obvious. At this point I question O’Mara’s intelligence just as much as his morality. He seems to have the commensurate risk taking propensity of the a stereotypical made for tv movie crack addict. My apologies to crack addicts.

  31. Cercando Luce says:

    How foolish not to warn off the rabid supporters from their witness intimidation.

    I would like to add that, in addition to the young women who have been harassed Zimmerman supporters, Deedee herself is also innocent.

    • Cercando Luce says:

      s/b “harassed BY Zimmerman supporters.” Out of bounds to call them Zimwits?

      • I think “terrorists” is a more accurate word.

        They intend to terrify others with whom they disagree.

        They relish doing it.

        They laugh about it afterward.

        And they always blame their victims for forcing them to it.

      • Malisha says:

        Thanks, Professor, for “terrorists.” A while ago I coined some phrases:

        “Litigious Terrorist” for a vexatious litigator who managed to get his way by suing people into submission (like suing NBC for printing something Fogen didn’t like)

        “Legalized Terrorism” for the acts of corrupt officials who go out of their way to marginalize people who are outing them or blowing whistles on their conduct (and you “never see their hand in it”)

        and now I will add: “Internet Terrorists” like these folks protected so vigorously by O’Mara. He needs a degree in casuistry.

      • @ Prof. & Malisha…..What I feel is the companion site to the CTH……..they posted back on Nov. 23, 2012, “Meet Conspiracy Nut Malisha” with a picture and information about this person. They are obviously trying to encourage their followers to….shall I say….”check out this person”. At the end of the article, the author states, “Nice catch James”. Why would they want to give out such information?….To intimidate another person? Xena went through this too. Under the Archives catagory on the right side of the screen, click on November and then scroll down to Nov. 23.

        • Xena says:

          Xena went through this too. Under the Archives catagory on the right side of the screen, click on November and then scroll down to Nov. 23.

          I haven’t visited that site and won’t. I’m still cleaning my hip boots from the other night when I watched Junior’s post-hearing interview. Anyway, a treeslummer sent me threats about ruining my reputation unless I stopped posting to TheJBMission and took down my blog. I ignored her, and she sent more threats about attacking the Professor if I continued to contribute here.

          Her name is Jessica, but she uses multiple handles including AlexandraP, AlexandraM, lovemygirl, Mungo, and a few more — all the same IP address in comments that she sent to my blog. I also suspect that she is “laketree” who posted on the Yahoo article about the press release with demeaning remarks about this blog.

          Not realizing that my handle is not the name of my blog, she went on an internet search for the name of my blog and found someone who years ago used blackbutterfly7 as their handle. They had posted to dating sites. Jessica lurks on TheJBMission where I had shared there about my deceased husband. So, she sent me a comment mocking my husband’s death and threatening to “out” me.

          Blackbutterfly7 is because Blackbutterfly was not available on wordpress and the Yahoo Group that the blog extends from is Blackbutterfly768, so we chose to use the first number of the name of the Yahoo group.

          She can “out” blackbutterfly7, the handle all she wants. It’s not me. If she harasses that person, I hope they put her in her place.

      • @ Prof. & Malisha…..They gave the name of the woman…Malisha Marlin.

      • Malisha says:

        Grey, I had no idea those low-class trunks (combination trolls and punks) were interested in me, because I am so disinterested in them. They got information on me from the Sanford Police Department no doubt. It does not impress me and it will not prevent me from completing the FOIA project either. People like this cannot manage to get a life no matter how much it would improve their QOL. My ex-husband is a case in point, and may even be one of them. They become actually attracted to their own particular hatreds to the point that they are like turkeys who respond to brightly-colored marbles. My own personal theory is that it is hard for them to feel emotions and only the most base and extreme emotions get through, so: hatred, rage, and a certain maudlin religiosity. Therefore they want to go to movies where there are torture scenes; they want to indulge their racism and hatred; they want to get drunk and spout off about their rage and try to tear down others. My ex-husband threw a birthday party for himself and at that party started to suddenly give a big misogynist lecture I later referred to as “How Come Women Never Come.” His own guests were all laughing at him. (Not their wives, who were embarrassed and tried to sweetly change the subject.) On and on he ranted, “How come women never come?” when his guests — every single one of them — insisted that the opposite was true! Afterwards I did not try to tell him how much he had humiliated himself because it was a great relief to me that he just fell asleep in his drunken torpor, as you can imagine.

        That’s where I got “HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!” from. 😛

      • Malisha says:

        OH wait, Grey: “Malisha Marlin”? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! They got it wrong again. Over on hushmail I’m “Malisha Garcia” but I spelled both of my names wrong on purpose all along. There are people named Garcia who are from the Spanish heritage and there are others whose names are pronounced the same but come from the “Sephardic” culture that was driven underground in Spain with the Inquisition. Some of the refugees from the Inquisition in Spain are believed to have come over here as early as 1492 with Columbus, and some went to South America. They spoke a kind of “Yiddish” called Ladino, it’s very beautiful. Anyway, suffice it to say that it is easy for people to be misled and still think they have cracked the safe. “That don’t impress me much.”

  32. jm says:

    It seems like the evilness displayed by GZ is contagious, going through the family and his legal representatives. Their tactics depress me and make me feel physically ill.

    I was taught not to wish bad things happen to people I don’t like, but I am having a hard time with this regarding MOM, West, GZ and his family members who have gone on record defending and enabling him with lies and half-truths.

    This is a very ugly and disgusting circus at this point with MOM the ringmaster.

    • Tzar says:

      It seems like the evilness displayed by GZ is contagious

      I think it is more likely that birds of a feather flock together

    • Rachael says:

      @ jm:

      “This is a very ugly and disgusting circus at this point with MOM the ringmaster.”

      Exactly. He has NO room to point fingers. This is HIS doing.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I admired OM and his abilities as a defense attorney until he began to rattle on about how Trayvon “got himself shot” and other versions of this thought.

      Now he’s operating from the gutter on a regular basis.

  33. fauxmccoy says:

    am beginning to think of fogen’s attorney as MO’MHRIH (mark o may he rot in hell) if that is not too far out of bounds

  34. blushedbrown says:

    Great post.
    Thank you.

  35. YvetteEU says:

    Just speechless …Thank you professor

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