Speak the Truth Chris Serino for Yourself and for Trayvon

Thursday, December 13, 2012

Do the right thing Chris Serino.

Do it for the innocent kid who did not deserve to be executed for walking home after dark in the rain carrying a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles for his little brother and talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone.

Speak the truth.

You and I both know that you did the wrong thing when you “corrected” ear witnesses at the scene of the murder that night and told them that the person shrieking for his life was the defendant and not Trayvon Martin.

The defendant, not Trayvon, carried that gun to the party and, despite knowing Tim Smith was on his way and due to arrive within minutes, he deliberately provoked the confrontation by getting out of his dry and warm vehicle and pursued Trayvon in the rain and cold until he found him and killed him.

You know that what I say is true.

You went through a gut-wrenching crisis investigating this case, didn’t you?

You started out to put this case to bed, but in spite of your efforts, it did not work out for you, did it?

Chief Lee and State Attorney Wolfinger are pursuing other interests and spending more time with their families.

You’re working the graveyard shift, but at least you saved your job.

You saw the tsunami coming in time to get to high ground.

You’re a survivor.

And you’re smart.

But your life on that graveyard shift is empty and cold, isn’t it?

How often do you think of Trayvon and feel his terror in those final moments before the defendant blew him away and left him alone and dying in the wet and cold?

I’ll bet he haunts you even when you are awake and his shriek is branded to your soul.

No one is perfect, Chris.

As long as our hearts beat and we continue to breathe, we have the possibility for redemption.

I believe and I believe you do too.

I know I do not have to explain to you what it means to have a come-to-Jesus moment.

Whether you realized it or not at the time, you committed to that path on March 13, 2012, exactly nine months ago today, when you wrote those three drafts, eventually recommending the State Attorney prosecute the defendant for manslaughter.

Well, you have arrived.

It’s time to stand-up and be the hero you always wanted to be, no matter the consequences to you personally.

Finish what you started nine months ago.

Do it for yourself.

Do it for Trayvon.

Speak the truth.

298 Responses to Speak the Truth Chris Serino for Yourself and for Trayvon

  1. colin black says:

    Why would anyone shoot up a mall or massacare fellow high school students..Some people are mad bad or both.An they will use any tool within there reach to inflict carnage.Be that an axe a knife fire crossbow bow an arrow guns boots hands teeth.Nothing is beyond certain humans rage an hate to inflict death up on anyone unfourtunate enough to encounter them……

    • jm says:

      At the risk of sounding foolish or overly religious, I do believe there are some people who are possessed by evil spirits. This latest massacre of at least 18 elementary students in Connecticut is just so overwhelmingly ugly I can’t wrap my brain around who or why someone could do this any more than I can figure why George Zimmerman could easily fire a bullet into the heart of a 17-year-old kid who he had a gunpoint and knew the police were coming.

      It does seem to make it easier to commit these evil acts because of easy access to guns.

      • Malisha says:

        In the Connecticut slaughter case, a 24 year old gunman.

        In the Sanford, Florida case, a 28 year old gunman.

        Same in general for the various mass shootings.

        Is something wrong here?

  2. grahase says:

    My God! Something has to be done about gun ownership and done soon. An elementary school now. Last night, I watched a program where a Navy SEAL was guiding people on what to do if you are in a mall and you hear shots fired. Do we really need much more to convince ourselves that this is wrong.

    The news agencies RARELY mention the gun issue and focus instead on the why did this guy do this. I would say – why did this guy have a gun (s). Sickening, just sickening.

  3. Faith says:

    O/T To wish you a smile and a great week-end.

    A Riddle For You: Perfect Man and Woman

    There was a perfect man who met a perfect woman. After a perfect courtship, they had a perfect wedding. Their life together was, of course, perfect. One snowy, stormy Christmas Eve, this perfect couple was driving their perfect car (a Grand Caravan) along a winding road, when they noticed someone at the side of the roadside in distress. Being the perfect couple, they stopped to help. There stood Santa Claus with a huge bundle of toys. Not wanting to disappoint any children on the eve of Christmas, the perfect couple loaded Santa and his toys into their vehicle. Soon they were driving along delivering the toys. Unfortunately, the driving conditions deteriorated and the perfect couple and Santa Claus had an accident. Only one of them survived the accident. Who was the survivor?

    The perfect woman. She’s the only one that really existed in the first place. Everyone knows there is no Santa Claus and there is no such thing as a perfect man…

    For Men ONLY!!! So, if there is no perfect man and no Santa Claus, the perfect woman must have been driving. This explains why there was a car accident. (by the way if you’re a woman and you’re reading this…this brings up another point….women never listen either…

  4. Malisha says:

    Tzar, I wish I knew how to show my canines. My son has two beautiful whippets.

    Anyway, here’s a little gift for Cielo:

  5. Tzar says:

    wait so did you guys know that Natalie Jackson browses this blog?

    look she is down with the “fogen”

    Natalie Jackson ‏@NatJackEsq
    Just saw the entire hearing…I see BDLR dropped another bomb that AGAIN went unnoticed but I think “Mayhisnamebeforgotten” caught it.
    Details

    ha ha ha
    I love this place (In addition to loving Natalie Jackson *now she knows* 🙂 )

    • blushedbrown says:

      EXCELLENT!
      It is imperative that we maintan the high road! We are considered to be a good source of information and civil discussion! Keep up the good work guys. LOVE THIS BLOG!

      • Tzar says:

        I am a huge fan of the high road but i am also a great believer in the old Nigerian proverb :There is a time for everything, there is a time for peace, there is a time for war.

        Sometimes you have to show your canines.
        knowing when is called wisdom

      • Tzar says:

        This was the very first issue around this case that I argued with someone. From the earliest and bluntest details available about this case I was cemented into a very simple position: Society can not afford to have armed adults who stalk and kill unarmed, lawful, own business minding children, go unarrested. And to that end I sincerely felt there was no road too “low” to take, as I believe that we are not worth the bricks and mortar of the town hall or the paper on which our birth certificates are printed if we, as a national or local community, can’t defend our children, if we allow our police to cajole their killers while maligning their reputations without ground.

        For all we knew a few months ago, and still today, George Zimmerman-may his name be forgotten- could have been bat-shit-crazy. His actions were queer, his NEN call clearly evinced a malignantly dangerous personality and yet there he was being defended by the organization we’d taken care to organize to stop bat-shit-crazy and malignantly dangerous people. So in those days there was no time for niceties, as it seemed that those were exactly what the malfeasants needed to exploit the dead child’s right to justice and accordingly I felt that the good people needed to rightly show their teeth and boy did they!! 🙂

        But now he sits arrested, the legal process appears to be in motion and in the proper direction. So now we can afford to temper our tempers and let the patina of civility cover the cooling metal of our discontent; but let us not forget what it took to get here. The marchers, screamers, banner makers, petition writers and risk takers, those who donned hoods in open congress etc…all were needed and had to express their ire and anger, so a police department and State attorney would simply do what they were hired to do.

        • cielo62 says:

          Amen, Tzar! We ALL showed our canines in those days. Living in Texas, my canines were digital ones, on petitions and in the comment sections of several news sites, but along with millions if others, our canines were noticed and taken seriously. I feel that we as a society have become too complacent about keeping our law enforcers to standard.

          Sent from my iPod

  6. Faith says:

    OK this is a great blog and this is one of the best articles. I’m going to comment on the Anthony case. I followed it from the beginning. The state did do a great job and Bozo lied like a rug as did the A’s. If I had been on that jury I would have voted guilty. Dr G said it straight out there is no reason for any child to have duct tape on or anywhere near their mouth. There was a terrible smell in the car and KC and all the A’s knew it was Caylee. The jury NEVER asked to see any of the evidence or hear any of the testimony once they were in that jury room. They wanted to go home,period.
    I don’t believe KC is free and never will be unless she tells the truth about what she did to Caylee. She will never know freedom as we know freedom. She’s done absolutely nothing to prepare herself to earn a living. She will never know the love of a good honest loving man. Never have a loving family and friends or contribute to society in a meaningful way. She is and will remain a hated woman.

  7. Funny…can always tell when the haters show up at this site, by the ‘ratings’ button on any given post. Right on time, just like children. We need more buttons for the kids, like ‘turning eyelids inside out,’ and ‘making farting noises with armpits,’ and ‘jumping up and down stomping feet.’

    Judge Nelson didn’t ask for this case- the defense wanted a new judge. So, don’t know what to say. The new judge ruled, and the ankle bracelet stays. And it has nothing to do with this site.

  8. blushedbrown says:

    Off Topic….
    Marinade Dave will be on Investigation TV. It would be nice if we watched the program.
    Thanks

    http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/12/8/watch-me-on-id-investigation-discovery-tonight.html

  9. Tzar says:

    Did you guys carefully read this sentence by O’Mara from the dox fiasco post @gzlegal

    “If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns — an opportunity they have yet to take”

    This is a strange logical non sequitur hidden in run on sentence seemingly fabricated for that very purpose.

    if you remove the jibuh jabbuh it basically reads

    If someone was mistaken for dee dee and harassed and the state knew who the real dee dee’s twitter handle then the state had the chance to publicly tell the harassers they had the wrong person.

    well gosh where do I begin

    Mr. O’Mara

    -millions of people are harassed on-line daily, why is this any of your business?

    – why did you first become aware of this problem?

    -would you perchance have made an unholy association with the harassers?

    -would you perchance have been unprofessional enough to have used their ill-gotten and unvetted information in court?

    -Do we now find you again complaining of malfeasance of your own making?

  10. whonoze says:

    Cops don’t make a lot of money. Serino may have a bad mortgage, kids who need tuition, elderly parents who rely on him for medical care… He may be holding back because he’ll be in deep personal shite if he doesn’t make it to his pension eligibility date.

    Malisha posted that the departure of Lee and Wolfinger should give Serino a clear path to tell the truth. I don’t think so. I’d guess the good ol’ boys club at SPD runs very deep. We already have reason to suspect Smith, Ayala and Wagner are part of a cover-up. Contrary to many of the opinions expressed here, whoever Photoshopped the Wagner photo may not have known much about anatomy, but they knew photo editing. A pro, definitely. I doubt Wagner finds such a person on his own initiative. I also think Lee is too high up the foodchain to run that scam in person. He might say, “It would help if we had documentation of the extent of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries at the scene.” But someone else has to read between the lines and go get the dirty deed done. So, metaphorically, Lee are Wolfinger are the Nixons of Zimmergate, and Ayala/Smith/Wagner et al are Liddy and his crew of Cubans. Which leaves the Haldeman and Erlichman as yet unidentified. And so i suspect Serino is still surrounded by powerful forces who do NOT want the truth to come out.

    If Serino’s search for a middle ground amidst racist corruption and justice is significantly a product of his role as breadwinner (and of course I’m just speculating — he may as well be a batchelor with an inheritnace income for all I know), then I think it’s good news that Jose Baez is now his attorney. Baez may be disliked for doing a good job defending an unpopular client, but he has the public eye. In short, if Serino breaks the blue curtain and blows the whistle on the SPD, Baez’s involvement will make sure it becomes front page news. This would open up income alternatives for Serino that would allow him to leave the SPD — a book deal, speaking appearances, possibly gigs as a talking head on TV. To go back to the metaphor, he becomes the John Dean of Zimmergate.

    I said months ago here that I believed Serino knows where ‘all the bodies are buried’ and what closets all the skeletons are in. I said he was the person in the case whose tell-all book I would want to read. Having Baez as his representative makes it all the more likely that will happen.

  11. Lonnie Starr says:

    The worst part of finding one’s self a part of a corrupt department, and seeking to make a change is, you finally begin to realize that you need to know who your friends are. As you begin this search for “friends”, people you can trust with what you have, you find out that the people against you are above, below and along side yourself. In short, you are surrounded.

    Without a high profile case like this one, Serino would remain trapped for quite some longer time. With the police chief and prosecutors above him, to short stop and retaliate against any attempt to reveal it, all Serino could do is wait and bide his time for an opportunity. I wonder if this is only the first bad case that Serino had the opportunity to sabotage? Could there have been other mal configured cases where he was able to exert influence towards introducing a modicum of equity? It is possible he made other “mistakes” that allowed innocent people to go free, against the will of the “group”. If so, that would be proof of what side he was really on all the time.

    • He was trusted or he would never have been assigned to be the lead investigator.

      He knew how to surf the wave of corruption.

      Was he a player or just blending in to protect a career and a pension?

      I think we are about to find out.

  12. fauxmccoy says:

    very well written professor, if it pleases you, i would like to add my own words and pleas to det. serino.

    dear det. serino,

    i want you to remember back to March 27th of this year and showing tracy martin an 8 X 10 photo of his dead son, complete with tear drops on the young victim’s cheek. remember how you felt at that moment, seeing a father’s pain – a pain that nothing can possibly ease. remember the goodness in you that wanted to do the right thing for this suffering father. you know that nothing can bring back his son, but that truth just might set his soul free.

    i believe that you, sir, are in a unique position to do just that, although it will likely come at some price. just hold onto the memory of you, this suffering father and a tragic photo and do the right thing. i know you can.

  13. grahase says:

    I hate to mention this, but, it is very, very cold where I live. Right now, it is Minus 11 Celsius (12.2F) with a wind chill of Minus 19 Celcius (-2.2F). Just saw that it is 75F in Sanford! Anyway, the squirrels meet me outside in the morning because they know I will give them a handful of peanuts. So, please do not call me a nutter.

    • grahase…..I actually envy you. Being a dyed-in-the-wool northern woman and living in south central Texas…where it’s toooo hot, for toooo long….and no real change of seasons..has really messed up my bio-rhythms. Ten and a half months of very hot weather, and drought. The other month an a half…the weather can’t make up it’s mind…from the 80’s one moment, to the 40’s the next….depends on how strong the weather fronts are and from what direction they are coming from. I miss those grey winter skies of the north.

      • gblock says:

        I grew up in Austin, Texas, and remember the winter weather there. It could do almost anything and usually did. For an extreme example, I once visited Austin in February after I had moved away, and the temperature was below freezing the night that I arrived. My family told me “It was 85 degrees (F) yesterday.” Two or three days later, the temperature was over 80F again.

      • blushedbrown says:

        Envy times 2
        I’m in Texas too.

    • Malisha says:

      One time after a snowfall of 4 feet in NJ I saw a squirrel discover a cache of bird-feed we had thrown out of an upper story window (couldn’t open the door to sprinkle it around). He ate and ate and ate and then he just fell on his side, like a cartoon squirrel! We thought he had fainted! He lay there on his side for quite a while before getting up and hopping away! It was hilarious; I wish we had filmed it for “America’s Funniest Home Videos.”

      • Malisha……..I once saw a cute poster that had a picture of a squirrel on it with it’s cheeks puffed out…..it read:

        WANTED
        In 5 neighborhoods on 17 counts of grand larceny.
        Suspect at large with a 3 pound stash of birdseed
        in his cheeks. Estimated street value: $1.37.

  14. Xena says:

    In other news, Michael Dunn, charged with the murder of 17 yr old Jordan Davis, is no longer represented by Robin Lemonidis and Mitch Stone. He has a new attorney and, additional charges.

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/article/286631/611/Man-accused-of-killing-teen-gets-new-attorney

    • Xena…There is a link to the Whitehouse.gov petition site there. Lucia McBath, Jordan Davis’ mother is fighting to have the Stand Your Ground law repealed. She is hoping to get the needed 25,000 signatures before January 1, 2013. Please spread the word. Jordan was her only child…… 😥

    • The irony is that the Florida Supreme Court upheld the lower
      court opinion,declaring the loud music law invalid.

  15. colin black says:

    OK I will give the cheif of police some lee way not an idiot.Just thought we were an would accept his word.

  16. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    Funny how MOM says he puts documents and motions on his website to keep supporters informed, yet I notice he doesn’t have any of the Judge’s rulings on these motions. He thinks he’s sly by actually using those motions as tools to manipulate the public’s opinion by including misleading statements, partial depositions and omitting witness 6’s second statement.

    I watched the hearing again today, and I am 100 % convinced that most of what MOM and West argue in court is for the benefit of their “supporters” and they ask over and over again for the Judge to order the prosecution to give certain documents as discovery for the sole purpose of it being viewable to these “supporters” through the Sunshine Law and to make it look like the Prosecution is withholding evidence, which is what most of his “supporters” complain about. They know that they can go to FDLE to get what they want and I think that Judge Nelson is on to them and that is why she is adamant about them going to FDLE.

    Speaking of Judge Nelson, she is now hated a ridiculed by Fogen lovers because she isn’t buying into this propaganda.

  17. colin black says:

    Any Cheif of Police whom holds a press confrence to say that ..There is nothing to contradict the acussed version of events that it was self defence is an idiot i m o…And Im neither a goose or hungry.

    • Malisha says:

      I credit Jun’s opinion on Lee, too, because it seems to me that there is a horrible combination of arrogance and stupidity involved. Arrogance: Lee did not think any Black people in his county would have the connections or power to object to his excusing the killing of one kid who, he presumed, was no good anyway. Stupidity: Lee thought an idiotic explanation (“We have no evidence to contradict the version this squeaky-clean excellent “decent American” has offered us”) would suffice and nobody would challenge his auhority.

      And, oops! 😳

  18. Malisha says:

    Here’s my theory on why the SPD did all the lying, all the cover-up, all the misinformation, and all the strong-arming of cops:

    LEE would be in trouble if it were known that many complaints had come in about Fogen and he had “stuffed” them in the circular file without even making a note or a memo and without sending an officer out to Fogen to speak with him about the community’s concerns.

    Someone at the March 1, 2012 HOA meeting must have said, in effect, “I knew he was gonna kill somebody.” Lee and Mahaney must have “escorted [that person] out of the meeting” and intimidated him/her.

    Lee has a lot to hide when the prediction came true. He had to cover for Fogen so everybody would cover for HIM. So far, nobody has revealed that this happened. But if that person who was at the HOA meeting on March 1, 2012 speaks with the FBI, or comes forward, or speaks with the press (if there is ANY PRESS in Florida brave enough to report accurately on the matter) etc., not only will heads roll in the SPD, there will be federal prosecutions and BIG MONEY out of DEEP POCKETS for their conduct that resulted in a wrongful death.

    • Jun says:

      I think Lee is just an idiot who was connected to the Fogenhats in some way. It seems a little far fetched to go through all that trouble to save a demented man that murdered a kid, over simple complaints that he would get a slap on the wrist for, for not addressing the concerns. At the same time, I have read the most depraved motives to commit crimes, so I am no longer surprised.

      • Come on, Jun.

        Think about it.

        A police chief is not an idiot.

        He may be corrupt, prejudiced and lazy, but never an idiot.

        Stop and think and quit slinging insults like pieces of bread at hungry geese surrounding you on a winter day

        One of them may bite you in an awkward place.

      • Jun says:

        That is true, however, the fact that he thought that a kid being killed, in a quiet housing complex, and be swept without a ruffle, is not a very well thought out decision

        I do not believe anyone would be able to simply stomach that a kid was killed, and the killer simply claimed self defense and that was it, especially since numerous witnesses were terrified at the screams of a kid in trouble, or at least to a couple of the witnesses, that the screams were in need of immediate help, until they were halted with a gunshot

        When the news hit the Mayor’s office, he was truly disappointed, especially after hearing the scream tape, and that is when it hit the fan

        From there, it was the power of social media

        I guess we could at least agree that it was not a very thoughtful and intelligent decision on Lee’s part?

      • grahase says:

        Jun – all this was happening before the case gained national attention. I think Malishas theory is solid – a CYA issue to the SPD. Enough already, Jun.

      • Jun says:

        I am not disrespecting her theory, I was giving my opinion, and I even stated it is a possibility. I do not feel Lee is very bright nor very moral in his actions

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, the mayor even cried when he played the 911 tape of Trayvon’s screams for help. the city manager was IMO a real @$$ because, he was the one with the authority to fire Lee but he refused to do so. thank GOD this mayor has a *HEART*. also the part where Tracy is shown the photo of his deceased son, with tears on his face, is a hurting thing to even imagine seeing.

    • ladystclaire says:

      @Malisha, the SPD came up with the going to Target grocery shopping lie for Fat boy because, he was carrying that gun during his NW duties and, they lied in order to make it look as though he was just going on an errand and, that he would always carry his gun with him at that time. they were also the ones who called the HOA meeting Lee ought to be in a heap of trouble along with some others on the force. IMO, I know it won’t bring Trayvon back or, ease the parents and his brother’s pain of loosing him, but this family will own the city of Sanford.

      • gblock says:

        ladystclaire – The SPD came up with the going to Target grocery shopping lie -not GZ or Osterman? Please explain your evidence and/or reasoning for this assertion.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      I agree with you, Malisha.
      .
      Even Newt Gingrich said

      “WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich calls the shooting death of a black Florida teen “a tragedy” and describes the man responsible as “a guy who’d found a hobby that’s very dangerous.”

      The Associated Press. (March 23, 2012)

    • roderick2012 says:

      It’s strange but no one has reported, as far as I know, what Lee stated during that HOA meeting.

      I wonder if the FBI is looking into filing obstruction of justice charges against Lee.

      • Malisha says:

        Roderick, I specifically FOIA’d that and they claimed to have NOTHING. No record of anything that happened on March 1, 2012 at that meeting — nothing!!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        We can guess WHY they have nothing.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Justice would be remiss not to review the entire SPD record over the last decade. Remember the corruption they discovered in Chicago? Where police, prosecutors and even judges were caught fixing cases? This may be another node of corruption, they need to set an example that will deter officials around the entire nation. Either that or allow the entire Federal Government to be undermined by local malfeasance, one county at a time.

  19. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles)
    ==============================================

    Ohaha come on,who you are trying to fool?

    • Judy75201 says:

      Nice to see you, Joseph.

    • ladystclaire says:

      Hello Joseph, I have been missing you since you left the cesspool aka, HP. I to have left that place and will never open an account there for nothing! it’s very shameful what that place has become and, AOL is content to have it be what it is. hope all is well with you.

      • Hello Ladystclaire I have been missing you and the rest of the team,I agreed with “cesspool” entity ,,,,indeed what a shame
        the site has become,but I wont ever please Martin’s detractor
        trying to silence my opinion about their criminal idol.
        I took a break ,I’m there 🙂

        • ladystclaire says:

          Joseph, I’m so glad that you are here at this site where we can have a decent and logical adult conversation with out all of the *RACIST* hate that dribbles from the moronic trailer park trash, at the HP. they banned me for no reason and, they don’t have to worry about me setting up another account there.

          As I have said countless times before, the world is watching and taking note of just how hypocritical this country really is. how can we tell the leaders of other countries, how to treat their citizens, when we have some in this country who are still living in the Jim Crow era.

          In the words of MamIe Till Mobley, “LET THE WORLD SEE, WHAT WE HERE SEE EVERYDAY.” LET THEM SEE!

    • Joseph, Good to see you here. I do miss the Jimi Hendrix avitar though…….. 🙂

    • looneydoone says:

      Hola Joseph,
      It’s good that you’ve joined us here.

  20. colin black says:

    SpecialladyT says:

    December 13, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Professor, can you answer this question for me? Why did BDLR refer to Serino’s notes as Brady material when he stated that Serino for considered murder 2? Isn’t Brady material only to help the defense in not the State?
    Baez is Serinos Attorney an acts only in his intrests.If he feels theres trouble brewing with the Feds for improper conduct ect within S P D in events surouning this investigation.The handing in of thease papers may be exculpery to his client at some future date.Thats what he meant when he said Brady Material towards his cleint .As far as the defendants concered its not brady its antibrady material for him another nail in his cough in..

  21. Judy75201 says:

    I’m pretty sure the GZ Facebook page was closed due to the embarrassinly few “likes” it got, and they were tired of that being public, rather than any doxing issue, lol.

    • Yeah,yeah,right... says:

      And funds were running low, the website had a paid administrator. An expenditure cut was needed. The website was excess baggage.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      It was too much to referee on a daily basis. The constant arguments between camps, namecalling, etc were over the top. They deleted more threads than they kept.

  22. colin black says:

    That post about doxing at the gzlegal site,,,They are blameing the Martins and or the State and or anyone I supposeing her own Parents whom know the Real name of wittness 8 an not her code name double D..For an harreasment an threats hate emails vile slander being directed at people whom are mistakken as her..iTs somehow down to them by allowing this confusion by not declareing her REAL IDENTITY .So the wich hunt can start in earnest …This is a Lawer advocteing the nameing of a child witness with a cleint whom has admitted to shooting a child through the heart with dumd dumd bullets.He wants to put another innocet child at risk .

    • Jun says:

      Because Omara knows all the cyber stalking and harassment campaign from the Zimmcult in regards to whom they believed was Deedee (pretty much any black girl in Florida named Deedee) has been cataloged and he may get in trouble for that crap

      Too bad so sad though… it was a codename to protect her identity and rightfully so

  23. colin black says:

    Ive often wondered what gz responce would have been if confronted with facts dureing interveiwe…Like after he re tells his being beaten to an inch of his life at the hands of Trayvon…What if a detective asks…You claim he inflicted this beating on you why doesnt he have a mark on his hands or any of your blood or salavia on his hands from the beating an smothering..Or whist he had his chit chat with Det Singleton waiting for the voice stress analissis guy to set up..There ttaking insurance an small talk an then george asks her if she has aever shot anybody…killed…She answers no…He sorta half chukles to himself an said something like..Good for you mm mind I cant see anyone questiong youre authority youve got that presence..or words to that efect…So gz equates shooting someone as a way to assert control show authourity if questioned or defeid.Nothing to do with fear or antisipating death.PS Brilliant post Fred….

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Colin…..When I heard that exchange…..I thought gz wished Trayvon had respected his “authority” when he tried to detain Trayvon. I felt it to be a clue that he had indeed attempted to detain Trayvon for the police officer’s arrival.

    • grahase says:

      I think MOM is a little late with this statement. I also think he does not want to take responsibility for the doxing having taken place – although he did use that information thinking it was to his advantage at the time. He thought he had a great detective crew when he aligned himself with the TreeSlugs without understanding the nature of the group. Too bad MOM.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        O’Toolittletoolate

      • Xena says:

        He thought he had a great detective crew when he aligned himself with the TreeSlugs without understanding the nature of the group. Too bad MOM.

        There’s something very cunning afoot. Since O’Mara admits that he doesn’t know the handles that Witness #8 uses on Twitter, if Attorney Crump and/or Jackson come forth and say those handles that the treeslummers gave to O’Mara are wrong, it means that attorneys Crump and Jackson know THE REAL HANDLES. That also means that O’Mara, at deposition, can question to get the information without fighting Twitter and Facebook.

      • PYorck says:

        That also means that O’Mara, at deposition, can question to get the information without fighting Twitter and Facebook.

        But that way he would get the publicly visible information at most. He would miss the best parts. Especially Facebook is notorious for almost never deleting things, even if you try. That means that every ‘deleted’ post and every private message are still there.

        • Xena says:

          But that way he would get the publicly visible information at most. He would miss the best parts. Especially Facebook is notorious for almost never deleting things, even if you try. That means that every ‘deleted’ post and every private message are still there.

          Facebook stated that they would fight O’Mara’s subpoena duces tecum. He might not have tried Twitter after getting Facebook’s response. They operate under international law which in the U.S., means that O’Mara has to go to federal court if he wants to fight them.

          But, let’s roll back time a bit. How did O’Mara become interested in Witness #8’s social media? By the same folks perpetrating the doxing that he now wants Attorneys Crump and/or Jackson to speak out about.

      • @Xena

        O’Mara is not slick. I see him! He can’t possibly think folks are that foolish?

        • Xena says:

          O’Mara is not slick. I see him! He can’t possibly think folks are that foolish?

          Remember who he has been getting his information from, and that he appears to believe them. Remember too what they think about attorneys Crump and Jackson. If he can be led to believe that two Black attorneys who earned J.D.’s are stupid southerners who simply forgot their place, then he will try to pull foolish things like his latest post.

      • Jun says:

        Crump stated that he is refusing to compromise the safety of witness 8 and the victim’s family and friends, so I highly doubt he will turn over the twitter handles and I do not believe he has to

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Plenty of vicious stuff going on at the Treestump.

    • Jun says:

      he did not do a good job on his facebook page

    • Too late,,,,his client’s fans did it all that and then some more.
      Ohaha missed the last train.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        joseph norton – it is good to see you here, i have missed your words of wisdom.

        peace, bro

      • fauxmccoy says:
        December 14, 2012 at 3:26 am

        joseph norton – it is good to see you here, i have missed your
        words of wisdom.

        peace, bro

        My friend fauxmcoy-I’m glad to see you and others here too,
        thanks for the “words wisdom” but no, We all have words of wisdom.

      • looneydoone says:

        Joseph,
        We are well, thank you for asking
        No, I don’t spend much time over at the huffingtontreehouse these days. I have no tolerance for willful ignorance and/or racists. In pandering to the lowest common denominator, it’s become just one more toxic waste pit on the internet.

        PS..we’re having a huge Christmas Eve party
        100 dozen tamales en hojas de platino, turkeys, ham, enchiladas, chiles rellenos, frijoles negro, pinto and peruana, posole, and more. You’re welcome to join us.

        Wishing you a joyous and prosperous 2013 !

      • camanokat says:

        Hi Joseph! Glad to see you here.

    • Jun says:

      I believe Omara’s a liar. The only people who were cyber stalking, slandering, threatening, and intimidating people were the Zimmernuts. The true people of justice have no need to do anything to Omara and his defendant because they both screw themselves all day.

      • grahase says:

        How do you know this.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        Sorry, OMara/West’s faint damnation of the intimidation Fogen’s supporters engage DOES NOT SUFFICE.

        And their attempt to transfer responsibility to Mr.Crump or the prosecution (for failing to chime in each time a supporter went after a young AA woman ostensibly for being “Deedee”), well that doesn’t suffice, either.

      • Jun says:

        Observation

        I have read numerous comments and patterns of comments online which leads me to that conclusion

      • Jun says:

        I personally have not gone out of my way, but Natalie Jackson has cataloged all these cyber stalking and harassments that have been going in, in particular, in terms of who they believed Deedee to be.

        As for Omara being a liar, I have proof from all his submitted motions and his media appearances

        A few others have also cataloged these cyber stalkings and harassments

        I personally have witnessed it myself but just expressing what I have witnessed

        Not really trying to build a case against Omara, although if I really wanted to I could, in regards to what I am alleging

      • grahase says:

        Jun – You state: The only people who were cyber stalking, slandering, threatening, and intimidating people were the Zimmernuts. and I asked how you came to that conclusion. I have seen all of the above done by those seeking justice for Trayvon as well. In fact, there has been alot of defaming and libelous statements going on right here.

      • Jun says:

        I admit that I have poked fun at the defendant in this case, and even made fun of Omara, but slandering, threatening, and intimidating people? I feel you are way off base there. I have not heard or seen anyone here actually cyber stalk anyone, nor slander, or threaten anyone, or even attempt to intimidate anyone. I will agree that we have made fun and joked of them.

        • cielo62 says:

          Jun- I agree with you. I have seen many posts here. Some written in anger, many are thoughtful and insightful. Some are humorous, probably as a way to deal with a really ugly case of injustice. But no intimidation. No slander or libel. No cyber-stalking. Nobody has gone out of their way to find people’s personal emails to harass them off site. There us no lunacy of the kind found at CTH here.

          Sent from my iPod

      • Tzar says:

        Jun says:

        As for Omara being a liar

        well if he is not a liar then he is incompetent
        see his description of Trayvon’s height and weight at the last hearing

        • jm says:

          Tzar: “….. well if he is not a liar then he is incompetent.”

          I think MOM is all of the above as well as the greediest and sleaziest attorney I have ever seen in action. He wants fame and fortune and there is nothing that is beneath him. I gathered this from his In Session interview and his latest court appearance in which he waved the obviously doctored photo of his client’s injuries in front of the judge, claiming his client’s injuries were proof of his innocence.

          If MOM has any intelligence at all he would have compared the later photos at the police station and known this photo with the distorted nose was photo-shopped. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t care who he brings down with his lies and half-truths.

          Because of the above, IMO, MOM is not only a liar and/or incompetent, he is a poor excuse for a human being. IMO, he suits GZ perfectly and I believe they have a lot in common in their delusional thinking, lack of conscience and ability to lie.

          (I hope I have not broken the Professor’s rules.)

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Funny thing about that :
          =================================
          “well if he is not a liar then he is incompetent see his description of Trayvon’s height and weight at the last hearing”
          =================================

          At the next hearing Jan 8, I’d love to hear BDLR, pointedly ask MOM, on what date did he first read the Autopsy report, and if he understood any of it. Of course, if MOM has any public appearances scheduled before then, it would be nice to have some reporter ask him that question as well.

          I mean, how could he be fighting a case where he either isn’t reading or understanding the documents? Of course, he could be having memory problems like his client. Perhaps they both can’t remember anything incriminating that has been discovered in this case.

          I’ll have to ask Professor this question: Are attorneys who have lost their memory function still allowed to practice? 😀

    • grahase says:

      How dare MOM blame the Martin lawyers and BDLR for the doxing because DeeDee was not being identified and the Treeslums had to go on a hunt for a young, black female doing nothing wrong and Doxing her. MOM should change his specialty to Estate law.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        He should change his specialty to ERISA. Hopefully we’d never hear about him again.

      • OMG! So, they’ve been harassing the wrong young girl?

        LOL! I wish I could post that video of “You know you done &@%@ up right? You know that right?”

        bwa ha ha ha ha ha

      • Malisha says:

        O’Mara should change his specialty to Zimlaw.

        “How dare MOM blame the Martin lawyers and BDLR for the doxing because DeeDee was not being identified and the Treeslums had to go on a hunt for a young, black female doing nothing wrong and Doxing her…”

        Change a few words —

        “How dare [Fogen] blame [Trayvon Martin] for the [crime in the RTL] because [Emmanuel Burgess] had not been arrested when he committed the first burglary and the poor “NW Captain” had to go on a hunt for a young, black [male] doing nothing wrong and [killing him] …”

    • Xena says:

      From GZlegal in pertinent part:
      “(We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles). If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns — an opportunity they have yet to take. We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized? ”

      Dear Counselor;
      Those committing the doxing have been told, or have read, numerous comments, that correct them. This includes handles on social media that were not used by Trayvon Martin. Do you think that the State Attorney’s office or attorneys Jackson and Crump can publicize any correction and be taken seriously by your client’s supporters?

      Maybe you are not aware but a website that you have communicated with, and in which Robert Zimmerman Jr. communicates with, refers to Attorney Crump as “Uncle Ben.” Along with Attorney Jackson, they use terms such as “The Scheme Team” to demean these officers of the court.

      In my most humble opinion, because of your and Robert Zimmerman Jr.’s association with that particular website, it is like burning a bridge and then shouting to the other side to do the right thing, not because of anything they have done wrong, but because those supporting your client have and are doing wrong.

      Your side started, conducted, and continues it. It is not very responsible of you to want those who your side has insulted, demeaned, and demonized to tell them they are wrong.
      .

      • Jun says:

        Wow

        How does giving out her identity help?

        So Omara can harass her or potentially leak it to Fogenhats and he directs his minions to attack her?

        How stupid does he think the State and Crump is?

        Crump already stated that he refused to compromise the safety of the victim’s friends, family, and Deedee

        Besides, all of that twitter and other attempted harassment of whom they deemed to be Deedee, is still harassment, and they can face the book being thrown at them, because they have the twitter handles they used and even if they try to delete, twitter will have a record of who signed up for what handle, and also bypass any proxy and find the culprit or culprits

        The end is he truly does not care about the truth, otherwise he would respect her safety, and this letter he wrote does not attempt to save incidents from happening

        • Xena says:

          How does giving out her identity help?

          O’Mara knows her identity. What he doesn’t know are the handles (if any) that she used or uses in her social media. Okay — stay with me here ….

          O’Mara said at a hearing in Oct. that he had copies of Witness 8’s social media from the internet. He even picked up a piece of paper as though getting ready to put it in front of the camera.

          How do you think he came about that? Through the treeslum, just like other theories he has attempted, including that attorney Crump is suppose to be the bad guy who instructed DeeDee what to say in the interview; 2 DeeDee’s; 2 phones; pings; bus driver attacks; tox reports; lean; — all those conspiracy theories.

          The train is now wrecked. O’Mara is trying to repair a track by having attorneys Crump and/or Jackson TELL HIM if the handles he has are those of DeeDee. If they say they are not, he will assume that they know her handles and save himself a couple of hundred thousand dollars fighting Facebook and Twitter in federal court for the information by deposing attorney Crump for DeeDee’s handles.

      • xena, this seems threatening to me. a quiet threat. they’re saying ‘we are looking for you DD’.
        if i were her parent i don’t know what i would do and/or what i would do to those that would do this to my daughter..this is so sick. what other reason is there to keep bring this up?

        • Xena says:

          xena, this seems threatening to me. a quiet threat. they’re saying ‘we are looking for you DD’.

          O’Mara knows who DeeDee is. What he doesn’t know are the handles she used or uses in her social media. Evidently, he has given all of the treeslummer’s investigated handles to Facebook and Twitter and the account holder does not match the real DeeDee’s information.

      • Jun says:

        It is really insulting that he is using the Fogenhats blame game. The only fault of these occurrences are of the people committing cyber stalking and harassment, and has nothing to do with the protection of her safety.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        PS While I use a handle here, I post under my own name on FB and other sites. I’ve received an unusual number of highly personalized phishing e-mails since I began commenting on this case (most are caught by my ISP spam controls, but I got one extremely clever one in my gmail yesterday), and one instance of someone attempting to use one of my credit cards online just after I’d purchased something else online. Related? Who knows, but it seems like it to me.

        • Xena says:

          They are some crazy, evil people who support the killing of an unarmed 17 yr old. When I used to post in Yahoo comments, I logged in one day to find that my profile had changed, and my avatar was gone. Then I discovered a piece of filth impersonating me. It took Yahoo more than 3 days to resolve that and I had to go about changing my password at least 5 times during those 3 days.

      • blushedbrown says:

        From GZLEGAL Page:

        Counselor wrote:

        We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized?

        Are you really a lawyer, Couselor? What madness are you writing? In one breath you speak of “doxing” to a possible witness or witnesses associated with witness 8. Your supporters have and will continue to bash, hound and spew hatred to a person who happened to be the last person who spoke to Trayvon Martin. Countless thread have been dedicated to this practice. Not only on your Facebook page but other pages where it seems more likely then not that you follow or your interns follow religiously.

        To then ask in the the next paragraph, for the State, the family attorneys to GIVE you the correct handles, is sir ABSURD! What if, big if they comply. Does that mean by some incredible instance, your Followers, supporters, or whatever you want to call them, get the CORRECT handles, so they can and will torture this young lady on the internet. Is that what you are asking, Sir? I suggest to you Counselor, your problems are bigger then some Twitter handle. You should have your head into Witness files, Ballistic reports, Dna reports. STOP asking other people to handle your job in defending your client.

      • Malisha says:

        Hey, when Spike Lee gave out the wrong address for Fogen, Fogen had an opportunity to correct that … didn’t he?

    • Two sides to a story says:

      ‘We first became aware of these concerns while we hosted the George Zimmerman Legal Case page on Facebook. Part of the reason we discontinued our presence on Facebook was because we were uncomfortable being in any way associated with people engaged in such practices and we refused to provide a platform where this practice could take place.”

      I read GZLC FB daily when it was up. OM is referring in part to some rabid Fogen Magoo supporters who openly bragged of being involved in such. There was one in particular who bragged of his computer prowess and ability to do DOD denial of services attacks and other things.

      • Malisha says:

        Y’know, a friend of mine was married to a guy who was both a control freak and a liar. He decided to impress upon her and upon me, as her best friend, how powerful he was. He called me and told me, on Friday morning, April 1, 2011, that he had hacked into my friend’s e-mail and thus had hacked through hers into mine. He mocked a private e-mail account I had set up for her so that she and I could talk without him reading it. “Grandwhippet!” he chortled! “I hacked into that in five minutes. Probably LESS!” I remained silent on the line. He added, gratuitously, “Easiest thing in the world. There is not an account you can set up I can’t hack into in five minutes. Guaranteed.” He kept bragging. At the end of the conversation that gutless wonder said he hoped his wife would forgive him, he hoped I still liked and respected him, and he hoped he had the strength not to do it again.

        He had not hacked in at all; he had put spyware on his wife’s computer and was collecting all the keystrokes. He later denied this all and swore in court that he had never done this; we were “paranoid.”

        What you see when you get that kind of bragging and that kind of abusiveness and controlling, stalking behavior is this: You see a criminal who thinks he is better than “common” criminals because HE, the cyber-criminal, knows some technology. He wouldn’t need to break your windows and crawl into your house to steal your stuff; he will manipulate data and creep into your computer like a parasite gets into the bowels of a mammal.

        And that is what they are, those hackers and cyberstalkers: parasites in the lower intestines of the society.

    • cielo62 says:

      What hypocrites! I thought they secretly endorsed doxing. Oh I get it! Do it but try not to be as dumb as GZ and get yourself caught!

      Sent from my iPod

  24. SpecialladyT says:

    sorry for the typo’s, I am beat.. lol

  25. SpecialladyT says:

    Professor, can you answer this question for me? Why did BDLR refer to Serino’s notes as Brady material when he stated that Serino for considered murder 2? Isn’t Brady material only to help the defense in not the State?

  26. Jun says:

    I believe the truth will come out. There’s something truly wrong with Seminole county law enforcement if they would allow a grown adult male to target stalk confront terrorize threaten and murder a kid, while the kid was unarmed and not even defending himself and was simply screaming for help. I do not feel they will, hence all of the defendant’s lies and schemes and manipulations. If the defendant truly believed in his actions, he would be real with it. In fact, the defendant’s long history can be used against him in court as HABIT EVIDENCE, as I believe it is no longer character traits but habits of the defendant as the defendant reflectively responds to whom he targets by either harassment, bullying, or violence, and when made to face consequences, he manipulates and schemes. They can also retroactively show the defendant’s habits in how he, in his mind, patrolled by aggressively jumping to conclusions and acting irrational and also pointlessly habitually calling the police to report any black males doing anything and stalking them. You combine all those habits of the defendant and you have Fogenhats.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Very insightful post, Jun!

    • Two sides to a story says:

      The problem is a state law that encourages an easy kill and allows fewer rules of engagement than US soldiers have.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        That is what is so frightening, Two sides.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        An easy kill, and a lackadaisical police response because the law allows the accused to sue the pants and underwear off the charging authorities, and forbids a civil litigation response if justice is not achieved through the court system. Way to go, Florida and all the other ALEC auto-enacter states.

    • I believe it is no longer character traits but habits of the defendant as the defendant reflectively responds to whom he targets by either harassment, bullying, or violence, and when made to face consequences, he manipulates and schemes.

      • wow! that’s exactly what we’ve suspected. he’ll do anything to get attention and doesn’t care who he destroys along the way.

        in sanford it was an obsession with the police. remember he sent them critical emails, he went on ridealongs, hung out with we now know 2 excops, he got himself a gun. he pretty much inserted himself where ever he could until he convinced himself he was actually one of them!

    • Your argument fails Rule 404 (b).

      404(b) provides an exception to the general rule prohibiting the use of bad act or uncharged misconduct evidence against a defendant to prove he committed the crime charged.

      The two closely related, but different exceptions are:

      1. modus operandi (as in a unique signature crime) evidence; and

      2. common scheme or plan (using the same method to commit a crime, even though not unique)

      You’re using the habit rule too broadly, as it is used to prove, for example, that a missing person would not have failed to do X, if she were alive, because she habitually did X and would not have forgotten or failed to do X, unless she was dead or restrained in some way.

      • Jun says:

        I am going by what I am reading. He is habitually a bully who is violent, and harasses people, and also tends to manipulate and scheme to get out of trouble or get his way. I was considering it a habit because it is more than once that the defendant has acted in this manner. At what point does does the bad acts become habits though? I understand what you are saying in terms of the signature or common scheme, but my understanding is the retroactive response, as written under the wikipedia definition. After reading all of his history, one could argue that the defendant retroactively responds with violence, harassment, manipulation to get what he wants. In terms of his patrols, he seems to jump to conclusions, and then retroactively responds with the above stated habits. I understand character evidence, however, it comes off as habitual to me from the defendant at this point.

        • I don’t believe you will find a case that supports your argument or a judge who agrees with you, but you’re welcome to try.

          You’ll have to start by finding a case with a similar set of facts that supports your interpretation of the habit rule.

      • Jun says:

        The reason I believe it is habitual of the current defendant is this

        1) He has witness 9 who has allege a decade of molestation and an attempted rape of her from the Fogenhats. That if found credible in a court, is a pattern of bullying and violence from the defendant, Fogenhats. I would need to delve deeper but I could also find events where Fogenhats manipulated and schemed his way out of trouble from the molestations and attempted rape. This to me shows the defendant Fogenhats, is not afraid to instigate violence, sexual at that, to get what he wants and then lie and manipulate to get what he wants, and has thoughts of committing acts of violence. It also shows the defendant has no control of his violence and simply acts on it.

        2) On his myspace, the defendant, Fogenhats, spoke of committing acts of violence onto Mexicans, and instigating and engaging such acts of violence, while writing racist diatribe about Mexicans. This shows that the defendant has habits involving violence and targeting some more, and writing it on a myspace shows again, he simply acts on it.

        3) On his myspace, he also spoke of skipping charges, for attacking cops, and also from his ex, whom he assaulted. More habits that the defendant is one that thinks of violence and acts to instigate it into fruition, and again showcases his asset to manipulate and scheme his way out of trouble

        4) He worked as a bouncer and was described a Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde and was fired for being a liability and rather lucky he did not get charged for assault, when he beat up a woman at one of the parties he was security for.

        5) At the company where Fogenhats worked at, he habitually targeted an Arab American co worker with racist insults and harassment. At that same company he would on schedule rapidly make phone calls and manipulate the workplace with his allegations of others, and then would manipulate and scheme the management and bosses to get out of trouble, and then continue the same pattern until he was fired. He was said to be a very sociopathic liar and would lead you to believe him and doubt yourself on what happened. This shows more of his habits of bullying and manipulation and instigation.

        6) I will have to find the information, as I heard it here, but it is said that Fogenhats had attacked a dog without provocation.

        7) There were numerous complaints about Fogenhats and his aggressive patrols and threatening behavior, where he would go around with a loaded gun.

        8) Fogenhats one time targeted a kid, who was black, and accused him of stealing his bike, and rather than rationally fact checking, he terrorized the kid, until the kid was able to run home and the father came out to defend his kid and police arrived, only to find out the bike was never stolen by the kid. This is more proof that the defendant habitually instigates aggressive and violent behavior and snapping off the fly and simply acts on his intentions

        9) Fogenhats made numerous phone calls, all involving black males, whom he would stalk and harass.

        10) The defendant targeted, stalked, chased, pursued, confronted, threatened, and murdered Trayvon Martin. After doing so he manipulated law enforcement with demonstrable false information and contradictions, and even subjected the public to this campaign, to try to get out of trouble with the state of Florida and the federal government. The defendant continues these acts with disregard with his media instigations and depraved schemes to gain something for himself. The defendant also built himself a following, who, no matter how many times the defendant uses them for money and everything else, they come crawling back to him, even after demonstrated lies and falsities.

        This is why IMO, Fogenhats, is a habitual bully who uses violence, harassment, and manipulation and is a user of people and a sociopathic.

        I am not 100% on the rules of evidence but I was going by what it stated on wikipedia, and to my observations, he retroactively responds with the above.

    • Malisha says:

      The amazing thing is that with all the calls he made about suspicious Blacks, not once did he actually figure out that Emmanuel Burgess was a RESIDENT of RTL and not once did he apparently bring this up at a HOA meeting. He was USELESS as a NW volunteer; just HELPLESS. He said he knew everybody who lived there. The guy responsible for all the burglaries LIVED THERE and Fogen didn’t know.

  27. Malisha says:

    I think the words Serino wrote on paper will be the “right thing” as far as the trial of Fogen is concerned; what concerns me now is Serino’s contact with the FBI, which is all important if there is ever going to be a proper resolution of this case, with the Feds. Wolfinger will lie; Lee will definitely lie; all the other cops are likely to lie, most especially Tim Smith. Corey and BDLR had no real contact with the case at the times that the main corruption was going on; they can only see the aftermath and in general their attitude would be, “Don’t damage the police department; we need them on our side.” But in this case, there just has to be an accounting of how the SPD helped put Fogen in position to kill Trayvon Martin AND how they tried to cover it up after the fact.

    • Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, their family and friends, the community of Stanford and all people who live in Florida or visit there deserve and require the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

      We the People need to show everyone in the world that we will not allow this tragedy pass without a thorough investigation with offenders prosecuted according to due process of law. For those convicted, we expect lengthy prison sentences to be imposed according to role in the offense(s) of conviction, with due regard given to their abuse of public trust. Mere fines would be an insult to the People.

      • I wish there was a “like” button.

      • grahase says:

        Well said, Professor. The wrongful death of Trayvon Martin has sparked renewed discussion about guns and gun laws in the USA. Yesterday, I read that Florida with its 20 million citizens, has just passed the unbelievable one million guns registered mark. Trayvon Martins murder has also brought a corrupt police hierarchy to the fore and has given other police agencies a heads up. Time to clean up our act. I hope that there are laws passed whereby defendants, witnesses, lawyers, are no longer able to comment using any form of media including social media to discuss the case.

        • “I hope that there are laws passed whereby defendants, witnesses, lawyers, are no longer able to comment using any form of media including social media to discuss the case.”

          Be careful what you wish for.

          Laws passed in anger or fear often have unintended consequences.

          Look before you leap.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        I wish I could “like” this too.

        I am skipping a trip this upcoming vacation to Florida with a group I’m part of, because of Florida’s crazy, creepy shoot-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace laws that encourage violent weirdo psychopaths to do exactly that, if and when they feel like it. (Um, thanks Jeb Bush!)

        AND they’re overrun with alligators and giant snakes and mega-cockroaches.

      • Jun says:

        In a way, I agree with you Grahase, but at the same time, I do not. I would say the only change that should happen is attorneys should be held accountable for all of what they say to the public, in regards to a case. I like the sunshine laws because it makes everything open and less liable to funny business behind closed doors.

      • groans says:

        @Jun – I agree … in principle.

        However, the Gunshine State’s sunshine laws didn’t actually work so well at the county level. That is, not until the victims – with much help from folks like Crump, Jackson, and Sharpton (at MSNBC) – brought it to national attention.

        Leaves me with the impression the there’s only as much “sunshine” as you are willing and able to muster on your own. No doubt in my mind that there is much left in darkness in other cases, despite the professed “sunshine” laws. (That said, late sunshine is much better than no sunshine at all!)

      • Mantelbaum says:

        You’d think that such a law would disway the thousands of tourists from the UK, Canada, Germany, etc. from flocking there every winter and fall. Go figure.

  28. Jun says:

    I dont think the defendant will get any help from the cops, at all. The ringleader Lee is gone. Wolfinger stepped down. Scott stated that whatever was needed would be okay to serve justice in the Trayvon Martin murder case. The mayor was disappointed in Lee’s actions and would not let him quit but fired him.

    • Logi says:

      Like Fogen’s sister said, ” P Diddy is talking s**t about you”

    • PYorck says:

      One big problem for the defense is that the cops might come to the conclusion that the best way to minimize the damage is to hope for a conviction and downplay their support for GZ.

      • Jun says:

        Considering the deposition, I dont believe their sworn testimony will amount to much for the defendant. I checked it, and it sounds like the cops were doing normal cop stuff. There was nothing in there where they felt they should not charge the defendant, there was simply discussion as to where the evidence is at that point, and if it was enough to move forward. That to me, sounds like they felt a crime was committed (well duh, a kid was killed) and they were making a plan of action of what to do and where the evidence was leading. It sounds like they had reasonable suspicion and probable cause for their actions and there was nothing there about what Omara has been spouting

      • We used to call this strategy:

        “Nobody Talks, Everybody Walks”

        A well known criminal defense attorney in Boston coined this phrase. Can’t recall his name now, but check the link to more information about it.

        Those were the days.

        Heh.

      • groans says:

        @Jun, Where were you able to see the deposition(s), please?

      • Jun says:

        It was on here. I do not remember who posted them or where.

      • groans says:

        Thank you, Jun.

  29. blushedbrown says:

    @Prof
    Excellent post. It spoke deeply an I hope he sees and really listens to what you and everyone has said.

    Do The Right Thing Serino, do the right thing my, brother.

    @Tzar
    Beautiful post, I always look foward to the words you write. Peace.

  30. blushedbrown says:

    follow

  31. Ty Flair says:

    Great post Professor,now do the right thing Kojak an help the Martin family find a little peace.

  32. His name starts with a *J* he’s another witness. and he did the wrong thing too. he didn’t help, instead he carried on, giggling like an excited school girl, and it was disgusting!
    *J’s* girl friend could’ve been more honest and forthcoming with police, even if it’s after the fact – like NOW, she can still step up. IMO she was pretty nasty and cold hearted about the situation as she snapped at the 911 when they were trying to get details about the *murder in progress* right outside her door. She knows more and so does J.
    i just listened to those 911 calls again and felt like smacking her upside the head the way she was behaving, as if she couldn’t care less someone was screaming for help, it sounded like she just wanted the mess cleaned up someone else was making in her backyard.

    i don’t feel right saying their names because number 1, i don’t want them to get harassed or negative reactions from anyone, and 2 because there’s still time to do something! and something even late, is better than nothing is never!

    • Xena says:

      I just listened to those 911 calls again and felt like smacking her upside the head the way she was behaving, as if she couldn’t care less someone was screaming for help, it sounded like she just wanted the mess cleaned up someone else was making in her backyard.

      I got a different impression. What I heard in J’s voice (the woman’s name also starts with J) was FEAR — somewhat of a cautious fear. I heard anxiety in the man’s voice.

      And I would bet — I would bet that had J not stepped out on his patio where GZ saw him, and told GZ he was calling 911, that GZ would have wrestled longer with Trayvon. GZ said he was running out of time. He knew the cops were coming. NOW, he knew that someone heard and saw what he was doing.

      Like he told Hannity, he was afraid and terrified that the cops would show up and find him standing there with his gun in his hand and shoot him.

      • Logi says:

        I hope they can both come to terms with the seriousness of this situation and just tell the truth. I am convienced they both saw and heard much more than they are confessing to. I believe they saw the whole episode from the initial confrontation to the gun shot resulting in Trayvons murder.

        • Xena says:

          I am convienced they both saw and heard much more than they are confessing to. I believe they saw the whole episode from the initial confrontation to the gun shot resulting in Trayvons murder.

          Oh, there’s no doubt in my mind that they heard much more. It’s in the background of their call that myself and others can hear GZ’s voice cursing at Trayvon. I am positive they also heard it.

      • no i don’t doubt there was a level of fear, but i didn’t detect as much as i did her irritation and coldness, maybe concern for J getting in trouble.
        i felt ZERO compassion for the person screaming or for the fact that someone was getting hurt. even after the shot, she was sarcastic to the 911 dispatch when they asked her what she saw, she said she wasn’t seeing anything b/c she’s hiding. but that was after the gunshot! not before when she coulda turned on all the lights and made noise and yelled out the window or something, anything, she had a man with her! she at least was familiar with GZ, she knew him didn’t she? why would you be scared of someone you know? If i saw my neighbor outside fighting someone (a grown man) i wouldn’t be afraid of him, i’d be way more confident to go out there to support him or help him or at least i’d feel like i could go out to find out what was going on.
        that’s how i see it..

      • gblock says:

        While I agree that it is important for the two J’s to tell everything that they know about this, I hope that all of you can have some mercy towards them in your hearts. It is easy not to realize that a situation that you are witnessing could lead to someone actually shooting and kiling someone else. If you are in a place where such an event is rare, you would probably not believe that it could happen.

        • Xena says:

          It is easy not to realize that a situation that you are witnessing could lead to someone actually shooting and kiling someone else. If you are in a place where such an event is rare, you would probably not believe that it could happen.

          True. I keep in mind too that they gave statements and interviews before GZ was arrested. The last thing they would want is to tell all they know, but no arrest of GZ, and have him living in their community with a gun. They could be the next victim he kills purportedly in self-defense.

    • Jun says:

      To be honest witness 11 and jeremy sounded scared as hell to me…

      I think they were more scared that Fogenhats was running around still after murdering a screaming kid

      I would not be surprised if they testify that Fogenhats tried to intimidate testimony out of them, if he did find out she recorded the screams from the encounter, and there were no sounds of any beating at all going on, just a kid screaming for help, and telling Fogenhats to get off him, before murdering the kid

      Either way, the evidence they gave and gathered will put Fogenhats away

      Jeremy attributed the screaming to the person who got shot. His testimony was someone was screaming for help until they got shot, and then the screaming stopped.

      Witness 11 much the same but I believe Jeremy may have went inside because she told Jeremy to “get in here”

    • Tzar says:

      I suspect the very same thing

  33. jm says:

    Could Serino be in danger for speaking the truth? Lots of people at the top will be in big trouble if he tells the truth right? Seems they may be willing to play hardball to protect their image and their jobs.

    • Takes a big heart and a lion’s courage to do the right thing and sometimes that involves blowing the whistle on others.

      The choice is simple: You either do what you know must be done, or you do not.

      Beware, the easy choice, however, because it will cost you the loss of your soul.

      Living out one’s days as an empty husk pretending to be alive is a real horror story that I do not wish upon anyone.

      • Leisa says:

        I believe that by the time Serino arrived at the scene, Smith, Ayala, Raimondo (“I will not put a cop’s kid in jail if I can help it”), Wagner, Mead and others decided he shot in self defense. Osterman put his spin on it i am sure. Lee then went along with the majority. Serino then had the ASA sitting in the meeting giving him dirty looks for suggesting he didn’t believe GZ. I think he was outnumbered and he chose a very high profile atty. in the hope he can save his job and pension. Tough choice. Glad it’s his and not mine. Hope he makes the right one.

    • Malisha says:

      I think it’s possible that Serino is already in danger. And he’s on the night shift, walking (riding) a beat. I think as soon as he made it known that he was in favor of charging Fogen with a crime he was in danger. I also think he can handle himself.

      What I loved about the interview was the exchange:

      Fogen: And I WASn’t FOLLOWING him. I was just going in the same direction.

      Serino: [chuckles] That’s following.

      • jm says:

        Malisha: Fogen: And I WASn’t FOLLOWING him. I was just going in the same direction. Serino: [chuckles] That’s following.

        Loved that too. It was one of the endearing qualities of Serino so I could overlook some of the other things i felt he botched.

      • What I loved about the interview was this:

        Serino: That statement…these assholes….what’s behind that?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        🙂

      • Jun says:

        At this point, I would label his actions as “stalking” & even “chasing” but it is actually following. Add to the fact that once he caught Trayvon, he confronted and attacked him, as well as threatened the boy’s life before murdering him. That makes the stalking aggravated, IMO.

  34. esentrick says:

    Beautiful Professor

  35. Malisha says:

    I should have spent another minute with it and said the:

    Stuff-Having-Inherent-Truth * hits the * FANN.

    And make another acronym out of it.

  36. Papa z was pulling strings, that is why lee & wolfinger got involved. Imho

  37. Malisha says:

    Well I heard something in both Serino’s voice and in Singleton’s voice when they interviewed Fogen. They are both smart and both strong, but also they were both in a situation at that time that has now changed, because the scenery has changed. I remember when I was a stage-crafter in high school, the drama teacher said to us once: “When the scenery changes, the drama must change.”

    Lee is gone. Whatever he did and whoever he did it to, that didn’t work out and now whoever’s doing what to whomever they’re doing it to, the scene has changed.

    Wolfinger is gone. Whatever he did and whoever he did it to, he decided not to continue doing it and whatever has been done has begun to undo itself. The scene has changed.

    It is safe to come out now. I personally don’t think Serino’s quote to the media, “I am glad the truth will come out now,” was just a “sound byte.” I think Baez and Serino are allied for the purpose of protecting Serino when the inevitable-results-of-this-production-number(2) hits the proverbial FANN.

    FAN is an acronym for “Facts Are Not-Negotiable.”

    • Tzar says:

      I personally don’t think Serino’s quote to the media, “I am glad the truth will come out now,” was just a “sound byte.”

      agreed

    • i have a problem with him picking biaz though. i think that’s about the worst person to align yourself with if you want to be believable. too bad he couldn’t pick a more respected lawyer.

      plus, i don’t want biaz to actually pick up some credibility from appearing as a “good guy”, helping to send GZ to hell, and then come out smelling like roses! B/C afterwards, when this case is all over Biaz get’s his own TV show and lives happily ever after! NO WAY!
      I happen to like the fact that biaz can’t do much of anything to make a buck. even now they really don’t have him on insession because the audience still can’t stand him and complains if they show his face for one second ( i know i do )

      Basically, if baiz does help serino and people start to forgive him for helping one child killer get off by representing the guy who will be helping to nail the coffin on GZ, it’s still biaz making money off of Caylee’s death. and of course, i don’t want him making one penny from his lies and filthy accusations against everyone but his own child killer of a client!

      • jm says:

        shannoninmiami: “…… i don’t want biaz to actually pick up some credibility from appearing as a “good guy”, helping to send GZ to hell, and then come out smelling like roses!”

        I don’t like Baez either after the opening statement in the Casey Anthony trial, but IMO Casey got off because the prosecution did not present their case in a cohesive/logical manner and the jury did not understand what circumstantial evidence is, plus they wanted to go home after being sequestered.

        I actually like Baez more than O’Mara. If I remember correctly Baez did not do the publicity tour O’Mara is doing telling outright lies and maligning the victim. So if Baez can help bring O’Mara and Zimmerman down, I’m all for Baez smelling like roses. I feel the same way about Serino. Even though he “flubbed” some things in this case, on purpose or not, if he can help bring down O’Mara and Zimmerman, I’m in his corner and don’t mind him smelling like a rose in the end.

        • well i keep losing my reply, but i’ll just say my main point.

          i don’t like either one of them- equally.
          biaz lied plenty to the media. but he also lied to her parents, giving them false hope by saying Caylee was alive. and he’s the one who brokered the 200K deal for the pictures.all this before the trial.

          and i have a different opinion about the jury. i think they were lazy, ignorant and defiant. i think they fed into biaz’s act that the state was bulling him, personally! and that’s not doing their job. that’s bullshit. and i think the prosecution did just fine, above average. and they introduced important forensics that was explained well enough for me to understand. and i’m no legal scholar, so i can’t compare their lawyering, but i also thought OJ was guilty too. i followed that case too. So now, every time the state loses a case people say exactly what you say. that they didn’t do this or that. but even the jurors that came out said they believed she did it too. so the state did good enough! I just think they were suckered by biaz and figured if a lawyer can say to them “hey, just because it seems exactly like a duck and the state says it’s a duck. I SAY you DO NOT have to call it a duck, you can call it a chicken if you want- that’s just what *those people* want you to call it! it’s OK to not convict a killer b/c as long as i can bring/pay someone else that will say it’s something else then the state didn’t *prove* it.

        • sadlyyes says:

          both a re sleaze,and LIARs who lie with impunity

      • Tzar says:

        Baez probably picked him for the free advertisement and he picked Baez for the free service

      • Malisha says:

        I don’t disrespect Baez. He got a tough case, the Anthony case. He did a bang-up job. I’m not well versed with the whole thing but I still believe that since there was no uncontrovertible evidence that his client actually did the deliberate murder of her child, the lesser charge might have been all the jury could have come up with. That’s our system.

        Fogen has ADMITTED to killing Trayvon Martin; the two cases are not analogous at all.

        I can imagine plausible circumstances in which Case Anthony did NOT murder her child; I don’t like the woman, I think she is a horrible woman, in fact; but I cannot say for sure she is the one who murdered her baby. So whatever Baez did, however he did it, I’m not prepared to say that all he did was evil. He was a hell of a defense lawyer.

        Remember: NONE of his case rested on disparaging that dead baby. What he did was defend his client as vigorously as he could; that was his job.

        • well if you’re not well versed in the case then how did biaz do a bang up job? if there’s no video of the crime the other evidence doesn’t matter? because there were lessor charges they could consider. that they didn’t convict of any of them tells me the jury was the problem and not that biaz did a bang up job.
          and i always disrespect someone who lies about sexual abuse for thier own agenda. and i always disrespect someone who uses their position of influence at the expense of the helpless.

      • Jun says:

        even if that were agreeable, Omara is on a new level of sleaziness.

      • Jun says:

        OJ could very well be guilty but the cops did a sloppy job IMO, which is why they got slaughtered in court. Which is why they say to dot your i’s and cross your t’s. At the crime scene, the cops just walked across all the blood, smearing it everywhere!

      • groans says:

        “No one is perfect…. As long as our hearts beat and we continue to breathe, we have the possibility for redemption.”

        To me, this is the core – the essence and the wisdom – of the Professor’s powerful message. And it applies to all of us – you, me, Serino, Baez, O’Mara, juries, liars, scoundrels – and, yes, even the killer himself.

        If we offer no hope for redemption, then there’s no external incentive to do good in the future. You’ve been indelibly “stamped” and “labeled” as of some point in time in the past.

        Which I believe, is why our criminal system fails. A criminal can serve his sentence and thus “pay” what society says he must for his crime, and yet upon release can’t move into life among “good” people,” because a convicted felon can’t get hired for this job, or that job, and almost every other job – very often due to specific laws explicitly prohibiting their employment! So what the heck can he/she do? So the cycle begins….

        It’s not dissimilar to the context of a family. If you keep telling your child he’s bad, he will likely BE bad – and quit even trying to show you he’s good, because he’s learned that you won’t believe him, anyway, no matter what he does.

        OK, perhaps I went off topic a bit here. But, then again, perhaps not.

      • gblock says:

        “I did not follow the Casey Anthony case, but I was a DNA consultant to the defense in the OJ case and, guilty or not, he deserved to be acquitted because the police planted blood.”

        Professor, please elaborate. What are you referring to, specifically? Are you talking about the bloody glove, or about other things?

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Thank you, Groans. I too believe that redemption and transformation are everything.

        May all beings be free from suffering.

  38. ladysadie says:

    This one brought tears to my eyes. I pray that Officer Serino reads it and his heart is touched as much as mine.

  39. thejbmission says:

    Bravo Professor!! Bravo!
    I would not want to be in Mr. Serino’s shoes. When you do the bad things, bad things happen to you. He needs to come clean, clear his conscience and do the right thing. God bless him and justice for Trayvon Martin.

    • wow, i’ve never heard anyone else say that. i always remind myself and friends in certain undesirable circumstances that if you do good things, good things will happen to you.
      i swear it really is true.
      i use use that like i use the golden rule my mom told me when i announced after living 3 years in a religious commune, that i don’t want to be religious anymore. and it’s worked perfectly my whole life.

      Mr.Serino, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
      i think you are preparing to do just that. i know Trayvon hopes you do. i wish you peace sir.

  40. grahase says:

    Serino is a seasoned LE Officer and knew exactly what NOT to do in evidence-gathering. For some reason not yet revealed, Lee and Wolfinger, became involved right out of the gate (that night, in fact) which is totally unusual. There was no political pressure, no pressure from the murdered childs parents. They didn’t even know Trayvon’s name. Ask yourself why this case was so important to have intervention.

    Serino knows… LLMPapa and I agree. Serino and Baez is an unholy alliance and there will be much more to come that will be bombshells.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I can’t wait to see what the bombshells will reveal, as I’m pretty sure you’re right.

    • Not Angela Lansbury says:

      Lee and Wolfinger were involved immediately because Mark Osterman asked them to be, to sway the investigation away from a prosecution. He told FDLE he was on scene that night but didn’t talk much to anyone. I’m guessing that’s who GZ was calling on his cellphone. Osterman is a former Seminole County deputy who served under Bill Lee, and they became close. As LLMPapa has pointed out, Osterman calls Lee “Billy”. OTOH, none of them cared about a dead black kid who apparently didn’t live in the neighborhood. You know the attitude: If the kid had done nothing wrong *that* night, he’d certainly done something wrong *some* night, so it was a “good shoot” regardless. Criminals with badges and law degrees is all they are.

      • Malisha says:

        But to them, Trayvon Martin DID do something wrong that night. He dissed THEIR GUY; he dissed THEM by dissing THEIR GUY. He fought back or tried to escape, one or the other. When they believed that his proper place was to stand there and take his punishment, whatever Fogen chose to dish out to him, for being inferior. This is what motivated the lynch mob, the white racist Jim Crow sniper, the Southern white-trash-stealth-killer, etc. for all those years. “THEM ASSHOLES need to know their place and most of all they need to show RESPECT to their superiors.” It has motivated countless murders since the 1800s and it still motivated murder on 2/26/2012 and then it motivated cover-up. As always. Not too hard to figure, either. Both Taaffe (that name sounds Afrikaaner, from the most racist group in South Africa, by the way) and Lee actually SAID in so many words that this was Trayvon’s fault for not responding properly to Fogen’s appropriate questions. Fogen then confirmed that by telling Singleton he figured she never had to kill anybody because they would naturally show her proper respect and not question her authority.

        If Fogen had kids he would have bulled and abused them. Since he didn’t have kids, he bulled and abused someone else’s kid, ultimately killing him.

  41. Tzar says:

    What are you Mr. Serino, if you are not a guardian of the innocent?

    What do you do, if you don’t advocate for justice?

    Who do you speak for, if not for those wrongly sent to the grave?

    Why do you have a badge, if you will not respect it?

    You got there too late to stop the killer from killing an innocent child but now, even at this hour, is is not too late to give him justice.

    Do. The. Right. Thing.
    And we will all be proud of you still!

    • really nice Tzar. i hope he listens.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Tzar, that was really said from the heart and, very well stated. @shannoninmiami, we can only hope this man has a heart and will pay attention to what he knows the right thing to do is. even if it means maybe not having a job the next day or a couple of hours after he tell what he knows. I have a gut feeling that his job will not be the only in danger so, I pray that he will start singing like a minor bird. this will be Sybrina, Tracy and Jahvaris’s first Christmas without Trayvon and, I can tell you from experience that it won’t be a very good day for any of them. my heart is filled with a lot of sorrow for them, as well as for myself. we all need to lift them up in prayer and, keep the faith as well. it’s going to be hard but, GOD will see them through and, they have us as well. RIP TBM, I LOVE YOU.

    • Tzar

      You’re going to make me cry…

    • esentrick says:

      As my grandmother use to say “tell the truth and shame the devil”. I really hope Serino does the honorable thing.

      Great post Tzar, it was truly captivating.

    • leander22 says:

      Tzar, l am still unconvinced, never mind he is not a human hero but a human being with flawas as most of us.

      You and I both know that you did the wrong thing when you “corrected” ear witnesses at the scene of the murder that night and told them that the person shrieking for his life was the defendant and not Trayvon Martin.

      It’s here, were my soul rebells. Unfortunately the teacher is on record as both being highly hysterical, not wanting to help prosecution, while triggered the understanding in the person taking her call that she might need the help of a victim adviser, in other words he needed specialist help. Are you demanding Serino should have ignored these facts?

      How does Frederick, as a lawyer, know what it is like to called to a crime scene late and quite obviously chaotic and confronted with your colleagues fast and easy misconceptions. What gives him the security he would have been above approach, above being influenced by colleagues like Ayala, who excitedly pulled still another case– to later abandon, desperately tried to get a finger print scanner to prove he was right to pull it.

      I am still convinced that once Serino realized something was wrong once he met Tracy Martin, and he changed his outlook accordingly, but unfortunately he had been late to the scenario and had to trust colleagues early on, Who am I to blame him? And what is the pressure by team O’Mara/Zimmerman about but confronting Serino? His deviationism, which may have been nothing more than a challenge to the basic rule to save money. Sad as it may sound.

      To the extend there is a Serino witch hunt going on, notice he did not shoot Trayvon Martin, I will stay on his side, firmly. And as I said before, I am prepared for disappointment. But admittedly the collective consensus makes me suspicious too.

    • leander22 says:

      Sorry, many mistakes, but the Serino hunt is not to my liking. I am angry somehow, admittedly.

      Who of you is prepared to explain to me that defense is hunting Serino too? How comes the pro-Trayvon camp does the same? Why are we confronting this strange coincidence?

      • There is no Serino hunt.

        What are you talking about?

      • Malisha says:

        I think I see what you mean.

        We have been hard on Serino. Now the defense is also blaming him for even trying to charge Fogen with “manslaughter,” a charge that had nothing to do with the crime he committed.

        I think the issue is: What he did can be explained. We are going to need to understand the explanation.

  42. LLMPapa says:

    Professor, as Winston Churchill told the British Parliament in 1940,

    “Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, This was their finest hour.”

    This article may well be your finest hour. Thank You

  43. SpecialladyT says:

    Professor, thank you for a very powerful post.

    I believe Serino’s conscience will get the better of him and he will come clean. Crossing my fingers.

    • ladystclaire says:

      I’m with you on that and, it’s high time for some of these neighbors of his those who were outside that night, to come forth and tell everything that they know. Jeremy and his wife/gf know a lot more than they are telling. IMO this murder was planned by Zimmerman along with a few others and, I hope they are all exposed and brought to justice. this is so wrong on so many levels and, those who know all about it, should suffer for what ever part they played in the murder of this child.

      • Rachael says:

        If they planned it, how did they know Trayvon was going to come by when he did? Or did they just lie in wait for the first black kid to come along that night and it was Trayvon?

        That sounds a bit far-fetched, even to me.

      • Erica says:

        it could have been planned for the next suspicious looking thug that anyone saw!! ijs

    • Malisha says:

      I think the real issue is the position he is in. I think if he is under oath in court he will answer every question truthfully. I doubt that he will be volunteering a whole lot of information — he is a homicide detective! But he will answer every question truthfully is my bet. And Baez will protect him by preventing anything irrelevant to the actual murder case from becoming part of the scene. So will Nelson.

      • Malisha…..If Serino told the truth and everything that he knows, what is the worst thing that could happen to him? To lose his job?….Prison time?….A threat against his life (or his family)? Who is standing on the sidelines (at the police dept., past and present) who may be at risk of being taken down if Serino completely tells all? I am just wondering if his life may be in danger if he does tell all. Maybe I’ve just watched too many old film-noir movies in my life……lol

      • Malisha says:

        You know, I don’t think Serino is in any danger in the sense of prosecution or official misconduct because it is obvious from his three-drafts-before-final that he had come to the same conclusion from the evidence that Corey later came to after Wolfinger was “disabled” from influencing the case. In my opinion, if there is danger it is ILLEGAL danger and comes from somewhere in the department. Perhaps that is why Serino chose to get his a55 onto the street as a night-time-beat-cop to get out of the squad room, out of the murder investigation situation, and step aside until the dust settled. Not only did he intelligently investigate the case, but he also intelligently protected the only REAL resource the police HAD in figuring out what happened that night: himself.

  44. I’m amazed this guy still has a job after the witness tampering.

  45. cielo62 says:

    >^..^< I feel that Serino is a good man stuck in a bad place, with few options to get out unscathed. He laid down in a bed with dogs and now doesn't know what to do about the fleas.

    • PYorck says:

      Serino reminds me of a veteran surgeon I once knew. He ended his career with a conviction for negligent homicide. In a hospital corridor someone else’s patient asked him to pull their drain and he did it. The patient died. Of course it was against every policy known to man. Unfortunately mistakes like that happen and once in a while one comes back to haunt you.

  46. roderick2012 says:

    Powerful!!!

  47. Xena says:

    Thank you, Professor, for this heart-felt post.

  48. dremn2004 says:

    follow

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