Featuring Piranha Mom and her Devastating Analysis of the Lawsuit against NBC

Friday, December 7, 2012

Featuring Piranha Mom, whom we have long known as the first Patricia who graciously changed her name on this blog to Piranha Mom to accommodate the new Patricia, posted the following comment at 5:12 am this morning.

I am featuring it today because it’s accurate, succinct, and I could not have said it better.

For those of you who want to read the SCOTUS cases that are the source of the legal rule defining the elements of a cause of action for defamation against a public official or public figure, the cases are New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), which stated the new rule for cases involving public officials and Curtis Publishing v. Butts, 388 U.S. 130 (1967), which extended that rule to cases involving public figures.

I imagine that the defense will argue that NBC should not benefit from the relaxed legal standard of liability for a public figure because NBC’s defamatory and outrageous remarks made GZ a public figure. That argument is unlikely to prevail because, as Piranha Mom points out, he already had achieved that status and notoriety by stalking, confronting and shooting to death a peaceful and non-violent Black teenager named Trayvon Martin, who was armed only with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles while walking home in the rain talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone.

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Piranha Mom writes in response to Groans:

There is one simple reason to file this suit. It is to exploit the newly-released color photo, electronic enhancement and all.

Zimmerman suing NBC will be perceived as a David vs. Goliath contest in the public eye and MOM thinks the photo will be received sympathetically – although all it shows is a guy with a nosebleed (which may be self-induced) and most folks have seen nosebleeds in their day, and this is a minor one.

The public will not be impressed.

But that’s all this lawsuit is: an exploitive publicity stunt for Zimmerman and another attempt to influence potential jurors.

I worked as a political columnist and an investigative reporter in the political arena for four years. Won a slug of awards. Not that I was so good – but I had “the goods.” Every document. No guesswork.

The lines are clearly drawn as to what is permitted by journalistic ethics and The First Amendment. While The First protects our right to speak freely, note that the “the press” is given specific protection in it. Without a watchdog press there would no honesty in government.

Zimmerman has become a public figure – albeit, notorious – by his incessant self-publicizing. He does not get the protection a private person is granted. The quote applied to him was Zimmerman’s own words, truncated. He said those words.

Have you noticed that when Zimmerman was asked “Is he White, Black or Hispanic?” by Sean, the 311 dispatcher, Zimmerman did NOT say “I can’t tell. It’s dark and he’s wearing a hoodie,” which would have been the HONEST answer.

Oh no, right a way he had to proclaim “he … looks …. Black” with a hopeful note in his voice. That was the prey he was tracking, and he was doing a little salesmanship on Sean, to IMPRESS on Sean the necessity of dispatching a police officer.

Then, as Trayvon came in view, Zimmerman happily confirmed “And he’s a Black male!”

Zimmerman did everything except shout “Bingo!”

The press (and all media) are held to a higher standard in reports on private citizens because the media is so powerful. The ordinary citizen has no way to “clear” his name if, in fact, he has been wronged, because the ordinary citizen does not have the circulation or extended broadcast area the media have. Thus, “the retraction.”

Generally, when the media consider that reports have not met their “standards & practices” some form of retraction or statement of explanation will be issued, which NBC did. This was a clarification. This was not an admission of guilt. The Constitution protects the press when it makes errors – but it expects the media to correct their errors. That is all that is required by law And, in fact, this was no error – those were Zimmerman’s worrds. They canned the staffers for questionable editing judgment, and frankly, I think they feared “political” pressure. That’s internal, and we don’t have all the facts that went into their personnel decision.

But Zimmerman does not even get any level of protection against “errors” by the media – the media have to INTEND to do harm, if you are a public persona, which Zimmerman is, self-made though he may be. Referring to himself as a “leading citizen” doesn’t help his case – it emphasizes how difficult it would be to characterize himself as a “private citizen.”

He’s not. And if he can’t stand the heat, he and his attorneys should stay out of the press conferences and off the self-promoting websites. He said those words – conjecturing, at first that Trayvon was Black, without actually being able to see what color he was, then emphasizing it triumphantly as he spewed forth his venom against “fucking coons,” who “always get away.”

NBC made none of that up. They edited his words in the interest of time. They used no malice, and there was no deliberate intent to harm.

This is all just a publicity stunt.

Zimmerman has no case.

261 Responses to Featuring Piranha Mom and her Devastating Analysis of the Lawsuit against NBC

  1. cielo62 says:

    >^..^< love my pirhana mom!

  2. Malisha says:

    The strangest thing about the O’Mara approach is his pretend inability to understand that this is not a divorce case. He’s running it like “Zimmerman v. Martin” and trying to show that Martin MADE Zimmerman abuse him; Martin FORCED Zimmerman to kill him; Zimmerman is not really an abuser, he was provoked. That’s divorce legalese, not murder trial legalese.

    The essential facts of the case are unyielding. The comparative personalities of the two individuals do not matter because the plaintiff now is not a spouse or even a complainant or a decedent; the plaintiff is the STATE. Fogen could have been absolutely justified — in his own twisted mind — in everything he did, but those actions were illegal in Florida. He can’t retroactively justify them by showing that his victim was a bad person, as much as it seems to give his attorneys a cheap thrill to do so. To the rest of us, those of us who are rational and moral in some general sense of the words, the attempt to blame the dead victim and his entire family and his race are so far beneath contempt that we respond with intense indignation. But Judge Nelson will simply respond with judicial authority, ignore the irrelevant, discard the chaff, and get the thing to trial. So although I find it very blameworthy of O’Mara and West to be filling the airwaves and ethernet with poison, bile, lies and psychopathic distortions, and I find it infuriating, I am not beyond the comfort of reassuring myself:

    This * will * avail * them * nothing. ❗

  3. Dennis says:

    You guys could not have said it better. GZ put himself in the public spotlight by shooting an unarmed kid. He was hated and receiving threats way before this NBC tape was released. I don’t think there is a chance in hell that he can win the lawsuit against NBC. If GZ wants to play those games, how about NBC just raises the stakes. NBC should just air the Witness 9 allegations of molestation every day. Then he might have a case.

  4. khyra says:

    The state are not doing a good job i am gutted Zimmerman could not go to prison for what he did

  5. jm says:

    Speaking of MOM’s publicity and sympathy ploys, did anyone catch MOM trying to rack up sympathy and $$$$ for Chorge by mentioning that his parents were in hiding with Chorge’s grandmother who has Alzheimer’s (like MOM’s mother MOM said), and they have to keep moving from home to hotel to hotel to hotel and they have to explain why to grandmother with Alzheimer’s.

    I had several questions regarding MOM’s statement. Why doesn’t grannie get put in an extended care facility if this is too confusing for her? Why are Zimmerman’s parents having to move into hotel after hotel at all? Isn’t that a bit expensive factoring in room service and all? And bottom line, whose fault is it that his parents are in the position they are in?

    O’Mara dug his grave for me with his sympathy interview on In Session trying to get more money/pity for Zimmerman family. He is unethical and an ugly human being, physically and mentally. I loved watching MOM sweat, the flushed face/neck and the beer gut and can only wonder what is going on inside his body that may soon manifest itself as a serious illness.

    • Xena says:

      loved watching MOM sweat, the flushed face/neck and the beer gut and can only wonder what is going on inside his body that may soon manifest itself as a serious illness.

      Stress can lead to weight gain in the mid-section and stomach area.

  6. Yes Pirahna Mom That was excellent. Publicity and sympathy ploy, and yes I agree with you and Dan Q he said Coons! ^ 5!

  7. blushedbrown says:

    Mr. Leatherman
    You have mail.

  8. Dan Q. Smith says:

    Yes. “…coons” is what he said.

  9. sdunn5 says:

    This 74 page Motion is getting more bizarre for me. Who is Investigator Serand? Oh Serino got it. How did these guys file this motion? No clerk stamps obviously Serand is Serino and the typo happens over and over…I think the Judge will be unhappy to have to put on hip boots to sift through the muck. Outrageous abuse of the judicial system.

  10. Xena says:

    If O’Mara doesn’t want GZ’s case to be about race, he sure didn’t help by deflecting off White racists donating money to GZ by talking about racists on both sides.

    Uh, Counselor, racists on any other side are not giving money to your client.

    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/12/07/george-zimmerman-donations

    • esentrick says:

      Your absolutely right Xena!

      From the article, one commenter stated, “I think that O’Mara is a racist himself.” Although, I find MOM detestable, I would not go far as calling him a racist. However, IMHO, he does display implicit racial bias as described by Andrea Lyon article “Race Bias and the Importance of Consciousness for Criminal Defense Attorneys”.

      Lyon asserts that implicit racial bias is the unconsciousness of stereotypes and attitudes that could negatively influence behaviors, judgments, and interpretations towards minorities. MOM is adamant that race is not a factor in the killer’s case of Trayvon Martin. As Andrea Lyon state, “we must not take a “color-blind” approach to our representation because it is in the very recognition of color that we can recognize our own biases”. MOM’s inability to recognize his own implicit racial bias, has not allowed him to understand why Benjamin Crump would publicly state “RACE IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM”. Additionally, it is MOM owns actions and behavior, as well as his client, that is influencing racial prejudice. What reason does MOM has to publicly assault the lawyers of Trayvon Martin’s family simply because they raised awareness of the injustice Trayvon Martin and family received from the SP, prosecution office, and from his killer?

      It infuriates me that MOM could fix his mouth to say “he would welcome a conversation about the treatment of young black males in our justice system and knows personally how the system may treat different demographics,” but in the same breath say racial prejudice does not exist in his client case?
      It was his client that displayed explicit racial bias towards Trayvon Martin when he called Trayvon a “F-king Coon”. It was his client that called Trayvon an “A-hole that always get away”. It is MOM’s own actions and character assassination of Benjamin Crump and associates that implies he, himself is “more superior, more qualified, more intelligent” than Benjamin Crump and associates (despite Crump’s honorary credentials) because of his racial status. So it makes me wonder, why MOM would believe racial prejudice has no place in his client case, but recognizes there’s an issue in other minority cases?

      Why does MOM truly trust and believe his client version of events, even after recognizing his client has inconsistent variations of the events that resulted in his client killing Trayvon Martin? This case is not about his client 2nd Amendment rights nor the donations in support of the killer of Trayvon Martin are not about his client 2nd Amendment violation as he stated in his Insession interview. This case is about receiving JUSTICE for the killing of Trayvon Martin in which the Killer followed, stalked, and who in the past and moments before killing Trayvon Martin exhibit explicit racial bias.

      • Xena says:

        Lyon asserts that implicit racial bias is the unconsciousness of stereotypes and attitudes that could negatively influence behaviors, judgments, and interpretations towards minorities.

        Which means that O’Mara fits since the only Blacks he knows, and bases his opinion on, are those he defended or prosecuted in court.

        O’Mara is old enough to have met people of different races and various social standings and not just who he represents in court.

      • jm says:

        It infuriates me that MOM could fix his mouth to say “he would welcome a conversation about the treatment of young black males in our justice system and knows personally how the system may treat different demographics,” but in the same breath say racial prejudice does not exist in his client case?
        It was his client that displayed explicit racial bias towards Trayvon Martin when he called Trayvon a “F-king Coon”. It was his client that called Trayvon an “A-hole that always get away”. It is MOM’s own actions and character assassination of Benjamin Crump and associates that implies he, himself is “more superior, more qualified, more intelligent” than Benjamin Crump and associates (despite Crump’s honorary credentials) because of his racial status. So it makes me wonder, why MOM would believe racial prejudice has no place in his client case, but recognizes there’s an issue in other minority cases?

        For some odd reason that is not obvious to me MOM is full of himself, but he is nothing but a get-rich-quick double-talking sleazy low-level con-man talking smack and it doesn’t matter to him at all whether he makes sense, is perceived as a hypocrite, unethical or a liar. Just show him the $$$$$

        I just realized after watching MOM in his interview on In Session, I detest Chorge even more which I don’t think was MOM’s intent with that interview trying to get money and pity for his client. Can’t wait to see MOM/Chorge fail in court.

  11. I agree, Professor. The irony of today is quite rich! GZ is filing a lawsuit claiming that NBC edited the NEN call, which caused him harm by pushing a false impression of him; at the same time, O’Mara is making blatantly false statements against a dead teen, statements that are proven to be false by solid evidence. GZ’s face was not covered with blood, and Trayvon’s “knuckles” were not indicative of his having beaten anyone. There should be a law against a defense attorney making false statements like this during an active case. He should be charged with something.

    • Jun says:

      unfortunately, he cant be held accountable until any SYG or trial hearing. However, he can be proven easily a liar during that time so on top of the defendant have no credibility, the lawyer does not either.

  12. How can O’Mara go on record to say that the “injuries to Trayvon’s knuckles” were indicative of his beating someone? If I remember correctly, the small scratches on his fingers in no way indicated that he punched anyone. Someone help me here. Why would O’Mara say that, and what could be done to stop his defamation of Trayvon?????

    • blushedbrown says:

      Think of it this way, the more he says brusied knuckles, making it seem his hands look like he went ten rounds with ole Iron Mike Tyson, the potential jurors will remember hearing what O’mara said on National TV then get to look at the autsopy photo and reports showing Trayvon had an abrasion of a quarter of an inch long on ONE knuckle. Who do you think it damages more? GZ or Trayvon.

    • KS says:

      MOM is desperate and blatantly lying. There weren’t “injuries to TM’s knuckles”. The was one very small injury to one finger,.

      From the autopsy report: Page 3: “Other injuries: There is a 1/4 to 1/8 small abrasion on the left fourth finger.”

      • Jun says:

        I heard he was sweating and the color of rouge when he was on air…. he was sweating bullets… watch him get some heart disease because of this case

    • I think the only way to stop the defense use of the Big Lie is to impose a gag order, but to get the judge to do it, I think the prosecution would have to prove that the defense strategy is affecting how people in Seminole County think about the case. That will require the use of multiple polls.

      The prosecution needs to do something to convince Judge Nelson to impose the order.

      • Xena says:

        The prosecution needs to do something to convince Judge Nelson to impose the order.

        Maybe they should go to the Zidiots’ “malicious prosecution” petition and take screen shoots of all signatures of those residing in the State of Florida.

    • Xena says:

      How can O’Mara go on record to say that the “injuries to Trayvon’s knuckles” were indicative of his beating someone? If I remember correctly, the small scratches on his fingers in no way indicated that he punched anyone.

      It’s only one scratch on the ME’s report. MOM increased it to 2, just like the Zidiots add 5 inches and 100 lbs to Trayvon. The scratch was not on the outside of Trayvon’s finger either — more like a defensive wound which, IMO, was caused when GZ tried hitting Trayvon with his tactical flashlight.

      GZ dropped a working flashlight and held onto one which he said was not working, for some reason.

    • Jun says:

      Honestly, even if he was attempting to persuade jurors, which I dont think he can do because you can tell by even his persona on air that he is lying….

      what do you think will happen when the state shows pictures and actual reports and forensic tests which show the defense is all liars?

      He’d lose all credibility, if not already, but I do agree with a gag order because kind of sicking of listening to this dipshit yahoo and his lawyer just because he does not want to face responsibility for murdering a kid

      Hopefully someone stands their ground against them and then we no longer have to hear about this nonsense

      too much snake oil

      PS. I think Omara is on comments sections commenting because I have heard that lie multiple times on comments sections and there was no bloody knuckles

    • racerrodig says:

      He had one (1) 1/8 inch scratch on his ring finger BETWEEN the knuckles by the back of his hand. As I recall it was partially scabbed over. ONE small scratch and Moron O’ Mara,l in typical fashion LIED outright.

      • jm says:

        racerodig: “Moron O’ Mara,l in typical fashion LIED outright.”

        MOM was sickening on that In Session interview. Did you see it? He attacked just about everyone but Chorge with half-truths and flat out untruths and blamed everyone but his client.

        What has happened to the legal system if Mark O’Mara is supposed to be an example of an upstanding defense attorney?

      • His apparently willful and intentional misrepresentation of the evidence in this case goes far beyond the boundaries of legitimate argument, which require a good faith basis.

        He’s just flat out makin’ stuff up and deserves condemnation for doing so.

        • racerrodig says:

          OK, I’ll condemn him……for life…….with a real bad spell. In my wildest dreams I cannot fathom the depths of depravity to lie outright and get caught at every turn, yet continue on.

          Didn’t Hitler fall into that delusional pattern ??

          It’s like they sit around the conference table and just egg each other on with support as to how they can pull the imaginary wool over anyone’s eye’s.

          Here’s an excerpt from pre – evidence dumps

          Fogen “……….um, do you think the one picture is believable Mark.”

          Moron “Oh yeah, who can argue all that blood. It proves YOU were attacked in a brutal fashion. I can visualize the near death experience in this picture by the look in your eye’s”

          Fogen “….um, yeah, my head almost exploded….and…..”

          Moron “Did anyone else take any pictures?”

          Fogen “Only the one of the back of my head”

          Moron “You’re sure?”

          Fogen “…um…….yep”

          Excerpt from 2 months ago.

          Moron “Holy F’n shit Fogen, you said there were no other pictures!”

          Fogen “…..I was told they, um I mean, it’s real suspicious that….”

          Moron “Oh Bull…….you never said they took pictures in the police station, how did you forget that !!!?

          Fogen “…..um, they said I could skip right through all this”

          Moron “…Here we go with skipping again”

          Fogen “…….um, what can we do……”

          Moron “Well…….we’ll ignore the 35 pictures that are documented and taken at a known location……then we’ll parlay the lies in an effort to raise cash, Gods knows why, I ain’t seen a dime, then we’ll add more wounds to Trayvon’s autopsy report, of course we’ll use the terms “brutal and savage attack” as often as possible and say the word “undisputed” a few more times.

          Fogen “….um, my brother and Joe Oliver said they can help…and, um….”

          Moron “Hey that great !! can Joey cry on cue, that would be a big help”

          Fogen “…um did you say “lie” or “cry” on cue??”

  13. KS says:

    About the GPS thing, unless I’m wrong, does anybody think that the bail bondsman is going to allow a million dollar bond that they are on the hook for if he flees, to walk around without monitoring? Not likely.

    • blushedbrown says:

      Bondsman are not to be (insert curse word here) with. If you put up that much you would want to know how many breaths that person is taking per day, everyday. JMO

    • rayvenwolf says:

      I have better odds of winning the next lotto draw than GZ has of getting his lojack off. Lets put it like this even IF the court gave him what he wanted the BB would be so far up his behind that GZ would wish for the GPS back.

      • Malisha says:

        It surprises me that he would ask for that. What do you think is the reasoning behind that, Professor?

      • Jun says:

        He is being manipulative as always

        he wants to jump ship

        like Lester says, if not for the ankle jewelry, he’d have jumped ship a long time ago

        • rayvenwolf says:

          I’m so waiting for some paranoid statement on how he’s worried about someone hacking the database and getting his GPS info. Since that’s about all that makes sense when it comes to wanting it off to quote “travel safely”

          My 6 year old is less dramatic. Actually I take that back my kid is a better actor.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO I dont see the point of anyone hacking his GPS because he is already a property of the State of Florida and they have his rear end in a grinder so there really is truly no need for anyone to get at him at all, the State of Florida is already doing it for us LMAO

        • rayvenwolf says:

          I’ve said in the past that if anyone was truly genuine about ghosting his behind it would have been done LONG before now. That’s what the Z nation can’t stand – that the AA community is more than willing to let the gears of justice turn.

          • racerrodig says:

            Yeeeepppp ! The “riot” mentality is only mentioned by white hate groups who really want to see a riot so they can open fire and claim SD for themselves. It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure that out.

          • rayvenwolf says:

            Of course. They have to keep themselves entertained somehow. Though some of them are really loosing what grip they had on reality the closer and closer it gets to nxt year.

          • racerrodig says:

            There won’t be any riots and they’ll blame the calm on Sharpton. They’ll claim a good riot was what he country needed to help the economy and since there was no race riot, it’s all the blacks fault.

          • rayvenwolf says:

            Having just read a response to one of my own that Trayvon being an invited guest of the community is a media lie I’ve just started hearing Adam Savage from Mythbusters saying one of my favorite lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s

  14. grahase says:

    Professor – Are you, as a defence attorney offended by the tactics being used in this case. I think defence attorneys are already getting a bad rap. Do you think this case takes the cake. It appears many defence attorneys interviewing on TV are disagreeing with the way this case is unfolding. Believe it or not, most are women and some are African-Americans. I am quite surprised at Richard Hornsby.

    • Yes, I am extremely offended by the way O’Mara and West are handling this case and I have no respect for either of them.

      • Cercando Luce says:

        @ Mary Davis
        I know I don’t want to bring my kids there– a chunk of Sanford FL’s population works at Disney, and who wants to take a tour through a bunch of murder-lovers?

    • Malisha says:

      Hornsby’s quote was a combination of silly and shameful. The little nosebleed was not proof of anything, and if Trayvon Martin had karate-kicked Fogen right in his fool neck and laid him out unconscious in a little minute, that STILL would not have proven self-defense. But a lot of lawyers are much stronger on their “power and influence” suit than they are on their “logic and intelligence” suit and we will be seeing more of them crawling out of the woodwork any minute now.

      Remember, O’Mara has a lot of attorney friends in Florida. And he has a lot of folks who would help him win this case any way he could. If the press starts to go, “ooooh it looks bad for the prosecution,” then Corey can let BDLR make a deal that we ALL know is a fraudulent, faked-out, murderer-coddling truth-hiding, racist-mongering, fix, and all the FDLE will do about it is go, “but we couldn’t risk a trial; the jury was gonna let him go scott free because he had a nosebleed!”

      I’ll tell you what. If that happens, I might have some nosebleeds. And I MIGHT have them in Florida.

      • Jun says:

        So Zimmernuts photoshopped nosebleed means more than a kid’s life?

        Wow… very grimy and untrue

        funny thing is they talk a big talk yet Omara is afraid of trial and even an SYG was offered to him, yet he wants extensions

      • Mary Davis says:

        @ Malisha, If this happens like you say, this will create a big mess. What in the world would happen to Florida’s reputation, wheatever reputation they do have. Don’t they know the whole world is watching this. Florida is a tourist state. I don’t think this will set well with tax payers.

  15. racerrodig says:

    Lets face facts. It’s not graphic and it’s not “…covered in blood…”

    “…a face bloodied…” Pfffttttt

  16. Malisha says:

    O’Mara just says stuff.
    That is par for the course.
    Nobody can sue him for it.

  17. grahase says:

    Shows Zimmermans face covered in blood, swollen, scrapes and scratches – obviously great bodily harm.

    Listen carefully:

    • racerrodig says:

      Does anybody understand what the F they are saying.

      He says “covered in blood” Where ?

      • blushedbrown says:

        @Racer,
        They are coming out to strong. What is the word on the street?

      • grahase says:

        My mouth dropped when I heard the anchor say those words.

        • racerrodig says:

          Define…………..

          “Covered”
          “Following”
          “Broken”
          “Undisputed”
          “Peter Pan”
          “Self Defense”
          “Stand Your Ground”
          “Death Beating”
          “Bashing”
          “Mouth Covered”
          “Nose Covered”
          “any reference to exploding heads”
          “Aimed”
          “any reference to “at the T””
          “Indigent”
          “…shot someone else”
          “Suspicious”
          “Role Model”

          That’s just my 1st part.

      • Xena says:

        You see, when GZ has blood on his top lip, he’s covered in blood.

        When a woman has blood on her top lip, she bit it by accident.

        When a blonde woman has blood on her lip and a black eye, she fell down.

        When a Black teenager has a hole in his chest made by a hollow point bullet that takes out 25 percent of his heart and lands in a lung, it’s merciful because he deserved it.

        • racerrodig says:

          “When a Black teenager has a hole in his chest made by a hollow point bullet that takes out 25 percent of his heart and lands in a lung, it’s merciful because he deserved it.”

          That is Zidiot Nation Charter Section 6 Article 1 (a) other than “it’s merciful”

      • Jun says:

        He is talking about 45% of his lip in the photoshopped pic LMAO

        • racerrodig says:

          OK, I’ll look again…it must be me, hold on a second…….time 11:15 AM

          Time back 11:29……sorry, I think they’re lying.

    • Malisha says:

      They’re saying “a picture cannot lie.”

      As if the picture has said: “Hello, I am grievous injury, not ‘capillary type lacerations’ like Chris Serino said. I’m proof that Trayvon Martin violently and without provocation attacked poor George Zimmerman, of whom I am a picture. I’m proof that the killer shot to defend his own life which was about to be taken away by a powerful Black thug. I know this because I lived for three weeks inside a cop’s computer and he tutored me the whole time. Oh, and yeah, my cousin, the picture of the BACK of George’s head, agrees with me. And George is not a racist. So see? It was self-defense.”

      • You’re on!

        You’re hot!

        Hilarious.

        You have great talent for sarcasm and comedy.

      • groans says:

        But was that a thousand words, yet? Keep going, girl! 😀

      • Malisha says:

        Oh, OK Groans. Here’s what the picture said, in exactly 1,000 words:

        Once I was a perfect little boy and everybody loved me and then they took pictures of me. And I was perfect. But somebody did something wrong and actually, to be honest with you, I have a bad memory because I have ADD or ADHD, whichever is greater, and when they did something wrong, I thereupon accidentally committed a nonperfection, which we really should not be talking about because you are protected by the Fifth Amendment which means it might be your fault and we don’t’ have to say so. But then what happened was that my friends were as scared of my mom as I was. And that means, very very scared. You should see her when she’s mad, I mean, it isn’t pretty. You can ask anybody. And especially ask a narcotics detective because they can really advise you. I have always respected law enforcement. So then I grew up but there were these Mexicans. I mean they run all over like cockroaches, they walk in the middle of the street and demand that you don’t run them down. It’s crazy, man, they’re all thugs, you have to report them and the police don’t do anything about it. But they also steal things from cars. I know because there was something that somebody wrongly left there, and then somebody else wrongly stoled it. The guy who did that was the suspect. The suspect is responsible for a lot of wrongdoing, you can take my word for that. Did I mention that my friends are scared of my mother? So anyway first I had this problem in Virginia but it was OK because I went to Florida where I was gonna work for my uncle who has a million dollar business. But there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. But I wanted to help people. First I thought it would be helpful enough just to mentor kids. You know they have nobody but me to mentor them. There’s this big ghetto and they’re surrounded by Mexicans and the only person brave enough to go in there to mentor them is me, in spite of my mommy telling me not to go because it’s dangerous. But I told her, I have to go, because they have nobody but me. In fact, in several generations before I was born, NOBODY was mentoring those kids and that’s why they all came out wrong. But there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. I love my children, even though they haven’t been born yet. Fucking punks. So then I mentored them but it was still not enough for me to do to help people. They call me tugboat because I help people, did I mention that? So anyway I treat my wife with preciousness. Lots and lots of preciousness. I’m thinking of opening my own fragrance line: Zimmerpreciousness. It will be a light floral scent with a deep undertoe of corruption. It goes under your toes. Did I mention that my mother’s scarier than a bloody head Halloween Mask? So anyway here comes this girlfriend, you have to watch out for them because they’re violent. So she pushed me and abused me but I didn’t do anything because you’re not allowed to let it fly at women. Except, of course, if they’re drunk and you’re the bouncer at a party and they need to get thrown across the room to sober up. But there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. And then there was this guy who was Black and homeless and you know how those Black homeless folks are, just run around getting undefended and so forth because nobody sticks up for them. But I did. But there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. I did try going to the Black churches but they kept forgetting I was there; I went to the NAACP but they didn’t have resources to help out. So there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. So I went to the meeting about the cops and I kept at them, that the chief should not get his pension, and I didn’t mention the Black homeless guy by name because you have to be political when you do stuff. And remember, there was nobody to do it but me. I was the only one. So see this blood on my lips? That’s blood that has lots of diversity in it. Hispanic, Black great-great-grandfathers in white frilly bonnets or something, and all like that. You can’t really tell a whole thousand words from that family picture back then because that Black guy could only speak homie talk. But anyway, how could I be racist if I have Black-guy blood in me, huh? Ever see that movie “Riverboat”? It was just like “Tugboat” only with a river on it instead of a tug. And he emerged from the darkness. He had already emerged from the darkness once before but that time I thought he was trying to fake me out, trick me into thinking he had a gun. But he wasn’t doing that because he was scared of me. It was because he hadn’t beaten up any crackers all day and he was getting kinda edgy, needed to bait me into getting out of my schtruck to get an address. So I’m gonna tell you about the pictures of the back of my head. They show about as much blood as my mustache and nosetip, which is about a thimbleful. But my wife, see, is studying to be a nurse. She says this amount of blood means I had to kill Trayvon Martin. I was thinking I’d bring her in as an expert at my trial but she’s claiming marital privilege. She says every time she steps into a pile of doodoo, she gets charged with a felony. It was God’s plan.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO

      A picture can not lie

      yet

      even his photoshopped picture doesnt show him covered in blood

      LMAO

    • bettykath says:

      MOM just said that there were injuries to 2 of Trayvon’s knuckles. I thought the autopsy report said a small injury to one finger and it wasn’t a knuckle.

      The folks reporting this haven’t done their homework. They should have compared this photo to the one taken just a few hours later, the one that shows NO swelling to Z’s nose.

      Damn, why don’t I watch MSM? b/c they are too f….. dumb.

      • bettykath says:

        Actually, the reporter should have done his homework and asked MOM about the differences.

        see last sentence in my previous post.

  18. grahase says:

    Hes back and he is close to tears:

    • racerrodig says:

      Funny, I’m a 57 year old white male and I’m afraid of psychos’ with guns. Black males, not so much, I get along with them fine. It must be me.

      He’s just trying to do the right thing…..A hahahahahahahaha.

      • Mary Davis says:

        @ racerrodig, I would be crying too if I was Joe. I would be ashamed of myself. Joe says it is not about race, then why did Cheorge call Treyvon a f—ing coon. I wonder how he would feel if Cheorge did this to his son.

        • jm says:

          Mary Davis: I would be crying too if I was Joe

          Joe contradicted himself several times and made absolutely no sense. Is he an actor?

        • racerrodig says:

          The problem is that not one of them has an once of shame, morals, integrity, honesty, humility, gratitude, compassion, ability to accept responsibility, talent, seed to success…nothing. As we say in the real world “Ultimate Losers”

      • Jun says:

        LMAO

        I wouldnt doubt if $10 was secretly deposited into Joe Oliver’s account from Peter Pan

        How do they come up with this crap programming anyways?

        He targets, stalks and murders a kid

        and the reporter is there to talk about the murderer’s feelings and his bought friend’s feelings

        I also agree. I would more reasonably fear Zimmernuts Fogenhats the 3rd unless it was an IQ test competition

    • Malisha says:

      OMG this time he got (a) a good speechwriter; and (b) good coaching; and (c) an agreement that she would give him nice sweet open-ended questions so he could use all his talking points and never be asked a tough question.

      Such as: “So DO YOU BELIEVE that Trayvon Martin really viciously attacked George Zimmerman without any provocation?”

    • jm says:

      grahase: Hes back and he is close to tears:

      I am becoming physically ill between O’Mara and Oliver’s interviews today.

      You know what:I think. Something is up Big Time that is causing the defense to use the media on a “Chorge is Not a Racist” tour and from the looks of O’Mara, he is running scared. Factor in RZ Jr.’s rants and his PR tour also.

      They are protesting waaaaaay too much. Who are they trying to convince and why?

      Facts don’t lie. Chorge PROFILED Trayvon Martin, called him an azzhole who “always gets away” – an “effing punk/coon/goon.

      No matter what Team Zimmerman says after the fact, on NEN call Chorge sounds like a racist and proved it by killing the black teen and now appeals to racists for money to live on.

      • blushedbrown says:

        @jm.
        I am thinking the same thing. The are coming out too strong. The pic, releasing FDLE reports, Fbi reports, lawsuit, then JO. Interviews. Its only December. Something is not right. They did all this within days of each other. Something is coming.

    • KS says:

      Wow, that guy is back!? You would think after he got embarrassed by MSNBC and then disappeared, he would know better. I think you all are right. Something really is up.

    • sdunn5 says:

      HE CAN’T EAT WTF?????!!!????!?!?!??????

      • Xena says:

        That’s an old program that someone evidently just put on Youtube.

        • racerrodig says:

          Part of it’s garbled. He actually says “…he can’t eat (more than 7 or 8 meals a day)” I used my “Fogen Bullshit Filter” to translate it.

      • racerrodig says:

        He started sobbing at that point, I used my “Fogen Bullshit Filter” and cleaned it up. Foe the record, he says.

        “…he can’t eat, more than 7 or 8 meals a day…” Hope this helps.

    • Jun says:

      I did not watch because snake oil would fly at my face through my laptop LOL

      anyways, I think everyone caught wind of their photoshopped pic

      (it is so obvious when you compare it to all his pics since childhood to all the court hearings)

      It is also common knowledge that the feds are not releasing their discovery to Omara

      and the whole Zimmernuts Fogenhats KKKlan are just boys who cried wolf to the whole world

      At first they had some people, but once the facts came out, they lost their audience except for some die hard racists and idiots

    • manberk says:

      He cant eat? WTF? Hes my brother, he aint heavy? I dont think Oliver or Jr. even talk with George. We are at where we are now because after IDing TM as a young black kid, he called him an Ahole and a punk before chasing him. You cannot convince me one thing didnt have anything to do with the other. How often do we get such clear evidence as an a audio recording. Any failure to admit George’s role in this is incredibly irresponsible.

  19. Jun says:

    Okay, I went through most of the new discovery and I am convinced that Omara doesnt go through the information because a lot of it is repeated reports and interviews given to him again and again. Also, I noticed a lot of the reports stated that they can not be released because it contained privileged information of a minor, and that was for the FBI voice analysis where they were supposed to match the voices to the screaming and what Zimmernuts Fogenhats the 3rd said. It said this on a few reports. There is something not being released to the public and I think perhaps the FBI did conclude that it was Trayvon screaming like we all did, but Omara tried to spin the ambiguity of the privilege of the report due to information of a juvenile, into the fact that they were not going after Fogenhats.

  20. Malisha says:

    My “simultaneous translations.”

    ““I have told you everything that has transpired, do you really believe I would omit the fact that a narcotics officer guided me. My mom feels the jury will be tainted. The attorney said we could get the media kicked out of the gated community. I couldnt think of a better outcome. I called to appease my father, the attorney said not to make any comments as you did.”

    1. “I have told you everything that has transpired, do you really believe I would omit the fact that a narcotics officer guided me.”
    means:
    “Whoever said I screwed up by blabbing so much, and that my screw up was due to some narcotics officer guiding me when he knew nothing about it, they were wrong. If a narcotics officer had guided me, I would say so. No, I came up with all that brilliant stuff ON MY OWN! I’m SMART!”

    2. My mom feels the jury will be tainted.
    means: “My mom thinks I won’t be able to convince a jury of the crap I’ve been telling the cops. So I better avoid having a trial.”

    3. The attorney said we could get the media kicked out of the gated community.
    means:
    We’ll be able to spin the story my way as soon as we scare off some of these journalists who have been getting into this community and interviewing people with real stories to tell. Like about them telling me they didn’t want me patrolling with a loaded gun. And like the Black guys telling each other I was profiling them, to keep away from me. And all like that.

    4. “I couldnt think of a better outcome.” means:
    Once we are able to prevent the media from really reporting the news, I can get back into control of this situation, because the cops and Wolfinger are on my side and they think it’s great I blew some asshole-punk-coon away.

    5. “I called to appease my father, the attorney said not to make any comments as you did.”
    means:
    The reason I called you to start with was that my father is getting worried that we’re not winning the “hearts and minds” battle. He thinks the attorney’s advice to shut up is because what has been said so far is being used against us. By those nasty media. I have TOLD THEM AND TOLD THEM THAT I AM INNOCENT AND TRAYVON MARTIN WAS A THUG but they keep not listening. I might have to sue one of them to bring the others into line. Love,
    Cheorge Upright-and-Perfect, Esquire, His Royal Lordship, Godly Man, not-white.

  21. blushedbrown says:

    Excellent post, thank you for the clarity.

  22. sdunn5 says:

    Piranha Mom your thoughts and ideas are dead on especially the part..the only thing he didn’t say was bingo!! Much appreciated. Excellent post!!!!

  23. Malisha says:

    Jun, you’re right. O’Mara doesn’t want a trial OR a SYG hearing and right now he doesn’t want Nelson.

    Awww, shucks.
    Rhymes with…

    Couldn’t you just spit.
    Rhymes with pile of…

    • Jun says:

      Thanks. I am learning a lot chatting here. I read through it and stated what I felt through his motion his intention. Bernie needs to address the defense’s constant use of hearsay in every single motion. The guy made like 100 or so motions. And I only read through 2 and my impression is the rest are all crap and repetitions of embellishments he has used forever. The guy keeps relying on witness 6’s retracted statement of some form of MMA beating and it is such an insult to anyone’s intelligence when you can tell Humperleg never got punched over a dozen times in the face, let alone having any forensic trace on the victims hands to prove beyond a reasonable doubt such action took place.

      Anyways, it rhymes with sitting ducks?

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        It goes without saying that, motions that rely on retracted evidence/testimony, are extremely unlikely to succeed in the face of prosecutor objections. So, perhaps all that really matters is, release of these motion is making public, statements the defense would like to have people believe are still accurate.

        It has to be a ray of hope for the Pro Z’s to see the MMA smashes back in play, and not forgotten as they should be. Of course, anyone who thinks they will be presented to a jury for consideration, is totally out of the loop. Without a witness to make that claim anymore, it’s history. MOM can put anything in a motion he wants, that is no measure of whether or not it’s true. But, until the motion fails, people can pretend that it is true. Oh well. Hope springs eternal as they say.

        Clearly GZ wants to lose the GPS tracking device so he can flee, after all, what other options has he? He’s told so many lies and made so many admissions, he has nothing left that even resembles a defense. Less any version he hasn’t already refuted. His “skipping” remark is truly absurd, as if being followed in the dark, by a big man who refuses to identify himself, is, or could be considered friendly.

        But, back at the 711, I could be wrong but…

        It seems to me that Trayvon pays with a single bill and gets back change in coins and bills. He then exits the store and meets a trio, who just happens to arrive in time to catch him. He waits outside until they come back out, then he starts for home. He is found with 40 dollar and a dime in his pockets. Did he give those boys the change he got back? Why? They don’t reenter the store, as one would if they needed a loan to buy something. They’d already made their purchases without TM’s help.

        For sure TM didn’t spend any of the 40 dollars his father gave him, meaning that he had some money more than that. A 5 dollar bill for skittles and iced tea would have given him at least 2 dollars change. So where is it? Thus, it appears there’s more to those boys meeting him at the store, than meets the eye. Especially on a rainy Sunday night. Did they live somewhere that has a view of the stores? Or, did they call TM and ask him to come out and meet them? Or, could this have been a meeting set up some time ago, because these guys don’t have cell phones? In any event it still seems rather odd.

        • GZ can testify about the MMA style punching and presumably he will.

          There will not be any support for his testimony and, in fact, the forensics and photographs taken at the station house that night after the shooting will prove him to be a liar.

          If W6 goes back to his original story, the State will impeach him with his retraction and, hopefully, prosecute him for perjury.

          Do not be surprised, if he reaffirms his MMA style statement and claims that he retracted it because he was threatened with reprisal by the State, if he did not.

          As I said, the forensic evidence and the photos conclusively disprove an MMA-style punching attack, but I do not believe O’Mara and West realize that.

          I believe charging W6 with perjury, if he retracts his retraction, would be appropriate, given the forensic and photographic evidence.

      • Jun says:

        I never noticed that in the video but there are phone records and video footage but perhaps it was just some friendly locals and Trayvon being the cheery volunteer he is, gave them his change? I often run into people at 7-11 who want change, perhaps they are down on their luck, and when I have extra, I dont mind giving

        • racerrodig says:

          I get pan – handled at a local Wa – Wa every time I go there. I give him what I have loose. He didn’t choose to be homeless. Sometimes we buy him soup and give it to him on the way out.

          Many times my son made the suggestion, the point here being…maybe Trayvon does this….it’s called “Compassion” a trait foreign to all members of the Zidiot Nation.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          While that is a possibility, it’s something like what we all originally believed. That the arrival of those three guys was just a coincidence, nothing more. But this is a murder case with unexplained features, thus it begs having the little things examined as well. As they say “the devil is in the details”, who knows what’s to be found or where?

          Consider, if they had called Trayvon or set up a meet, for whatever purpose it would be more likely to go undetected. Simply because it would appear to be just so ordinary. But then, doesn’t GZ “ordinarily” walk his dog? TM “ordinarily” goes to the store.

          Well, if It was my case, I wouldn’t assume that things were coincidences, until I had looked and was sure that they most likely were. Funny how you can look at three or four coincidences and discover that one of them is no coincidence at all.

          When I first started speculating that GZ may have had someone spotting for him, there were plenty of people who were saying that was unlikely. Lately the “worm has turned” and now there are some saying that TM may have been watched from when he left home.
          I’m really curious to have a look at their reasons for thinking so, if they have any. I like to have a reason for creating a theory that speculates about a thing, not just pull things out of the air. The reason may seem weak or unlikely at first, but later, if someone who has read my speculation, finds something to add to it, it grows stronger, if not it simply fades away.

          But, not giving voice to your theory, as well as your reasoning why, you just may be imprisoning the piece of the puzzle that someone else needs to complete or explain their own theory. We have the latitude here to explore theories and speculation and the numbers to do it as well. We’ve come up with some pretty good nuggets of evidence, that probably wouldn’t have been considered, if we had not worked on so many theories. Plenty of times we’ve gone from “it couldn’t be”, to “that’s it!”.

          • Cops typically rely on a network of informants, especially in drug cases and the defendant would have known that.

            He also would have known, or should have known, that he could not be everywhere at once in the neighborhood, 24/7. He would or should have realized that his success would be directly proportional to the number of people in the neighborhood willing to keep an eye out for strangers, particularly Black strangers, and call him to snitch on them and snitch on their neighbors, particularly the renters and Black residents.

            I do not believe it’s unreasonable to conclude that he had enlisted the support of some of the residents for that purpose.

            In fact, I think it’s probably unreasonable to suppose otherwise.

            I am extremely suspicious of the neighbor with the flashlight who showed up right after the shot, took a photo of the back of his head, and discussed the gun and ammunition used with the defendant as Trayvon lay dead or dying a few feet away.

            I am also suspicious of W6 who specifically described MMA style fighting with Trayvon on top raining down blows to the defendant’s head. He invented that because it clearly did not happen and he subsequently retracted his statement.

            I am also suspicious of the couple that live in the townhouse with the screened-in porch at the northwest end of the building immediately to the west of the T-intersection.

            I suspect all four of these people were not truthful.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            That, Professor, would be more correct than I’ve heard many people discuss. Even the NW course materials emphasizes the utility of “notification trees” which is, quite simply a network of “snitches”.

            Now, remember the Burgess group, that has a White guy running with a black crew. Could that miss GZ’s attention? Is it possible GZ might seek this guy out, as a way to get inside information on the blacks who might come through his area? Would it be difficult for a guy who walks the police station with great abandon? To manage contact with an arrested persons contacts? I don’t know, but I will say that the elements of a useful relationship are there. I can’t say whether or not GZ pursued it, but hey, a hunch is a hunch is a hunch, eh?

            While it is likely that these guys showing up, as TM is leaving 711, is a coincidence. It is also just as possible that it is not. So, I think we have yet another “delicious mystery” to ponder.

      • Jun says:

        I could be wrong but I dont believe witness 6 will go back to his statements because all of them were recorded and in fact, FDLE was the people who brought up that fact that his story changed twice. That is when Witness 6 changed his testimony again and now says, he was mistaken, he was not sure who was screaming, and then was not sure if there was striking or simply pinning on the ground by the victim. The strange part is on his 911 call he says they were wrestling and then the black guy was shot. When he was first interviewed he said there was some sort of MMA ground and pound from the victim. Then he says to FDLE that the victim was just wrestling with the defendant and supposedly pinning the defendant on the ground and he was not sure who was screaming for help. FDLE than brought up the fact he changed his story. That is when witness 6 stated that he was not sure of anything anymore, maybe he was hitting him, maybe he was pinning him. Bernie interviews him later and he says that he never heard any hitting or striking noises.

        The defense for perjury is to retract statements so my guess is he wont go back to the MMA statement, considering the forensic and photographic evidence disputes this and state that this allegation is totally unfounded. If he does, he will look like he was conspiring with the defendant, and in Florida, it is considered aggravated to perjure during a murder trial. It is in witness 6’s best interest to not perjure because I believe it is up to 15 years for perjury during a murder trial and it does not sound difficult to prove in court.

    • Mary Davis says:

      @ Malish, You are too funny. LOL

  24. Jun says:

    Okay something stinks with some of Omara’s witness claims

    now he claims that there will be people who will claim that it is Zimmernuts Fogenhats screaming on the tape and they use the phrase “100% George” much like Robert Zimmerman Sr. These same witnesses who want to attest to that also claim to have known Zimmernuts for 2 years. I have listened to that tape so many times and it always sounds like a kid to me and I even compared it to his voice exemplars and it sounds nothing like Fogenhats. Either way, the screaming doesnt match his story so it proves its a lie anyways.

    • Tzar says:

      well he will have his day in court
      so I don’t why he telling us all of that
      where’s the beef?

    • Malisha says:

      Oh that doesn’t matter. BDLR is not upset about screams.

      If I were going out to “bring in a dangerous criminal” and I needed to take a loaded gun to prove to the residents that I should become their full-time protector, I would make sure to scream a lot before handing the no-good-doer over to the cops, to show that I was damn lucky to have my piece on me.

      “Help me Help me” I would shout.

      By the way, he persists in saying nobody helped him when about eight people called 911 on his behalf and two people came outdoors at his beck and alleged call. Ingrate.

      • Jun says:

        I’m not really worried because the testimonies who claim its Zimmerman that has been known have had a certain bias to Zimmerman or some sort of connection. One of the witnesses stated that Zimmerman personally called him just to say that everything they say is not true. I would not be surprised if he tampered with other witnesses but this particular one was honest though. I also noticed so far, a lot of the new interviews, they barely knew Zimmernuts Fogenhats. Also in conclusion, I am more apt to believe the witnesses who were at the scene, except for witness 6, because the forensics dont match his testimony, except for perhaps his testimony on the 911 call where he said they were wrestling.

        Also, on the first night Zimmernuts Fogenhats was interviewed, he made odd statements

        “I have told you everything that has transpired, do you really believe I would omit the fact that a narcotics officer guided me. My mom feels the jury will be tainted. The attorney said we could get the media kicked out of the gated community. I couldnt think of a better outcome. I called to appease my father, the attorney said not to make any comments as you did.”

        That seems like a very out of place statement

      • Xena says:

        Did you or anyone else who saw In Session this morning notice the look on MOM’s face when Jean mentioned “experts.” MOM looked like a dear caught in the headlights. I don’t think he has not—even—one— expert witness to help GZ’s case.

        • As we all know, the forensic evidence in this case is extremely important and any knowledgeable and experienced lawyer would know that.

          If O’Mara knows little about forensics, he should have retained a forensic consultant to advise him how to handle that part of the case.

          Don West supposedly has a lot of experience handling homicide cases and that suggests that he may know something about forensics, but I have not seen any sign that the defense team has paid any attention to the forensics. If they had, I do not believe they would have been saying some of the things that they’ve said.

          I consider it malpractice to not be informed about forensics in this case.

          • Xena says:

            I consider it malpractice to not be informed about forensics in this case.

            Maybe O’Mara and West have looked at the forensic and seeing no way to explain it to GZ’s favor, hope to bury forensics or at least, until it comes out at trial.

          • I have known a lot of lawyers and very few of them know anything at all about forensics.

            Fear of math and science are hallmarks of the legal profession. If you don’t believe me, watch a group of them struggle to figure out who owes what on the dinner tab.

          • Xena says:

            LOL!! That is why they should hire expert forensic witnesses. But then, GZ’s legal fund is low. 🙂

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            That would be bad lawyering. One does not, or should not assume that their own opinion will be what an experts opinion will be, unless they themselves are an expert. Because that would be like saying that a lay person is qualified to deliver an expert opinion.

            They need to bring in their own experts and get their opinion, before they make any assumptions, based on their own laypersons knowledge.

      • Jun says:

        Omara always has the Zidiot nation who claims to be better forensic and any type of medical or legal expert than anyone with an actual degree in America LMAO

    • Malisha says:

      Jun, I don’t think it’s a career ender for O’Mara. He wins either way. If he loses (if?), he gets to say that gun-toters are being endangered in Florida and he gets to whine about that all over the place and he gets more cases than a public defender in the hood. If he wins, he’s hired by every killer in the nation, pro hac vice here we come. For him, this case won’t mean much money in itself but it’s a guarantee of work from all skin-heads, all murderers who want to be thought of as victims, all thugs who want to present as leading citizens, all psychopaths who accidentally get charged with crimes, etc…… He knows which side of the bread the butter is on.

    • sdunn5 says:

      Lest we forget in fogen and fam’s minds as long as they say “Absolutely” it’s truth. Normal people are not confused as to who is screaming. Key word “normal”. I saw the motion for modification of bail conditions, it is 74 pages long. I wanted to throw up. Is this guy nuts? I do not know how better to piss off a Judge then these outrageous motions.
      Fogen has already been granted the luxury to travel to Mom’s office in Orlando. WTF??!!?? It seems to me he is looking to flee, what other reason could there be?

      • Jun says:

        That is why I found that certain testimony fishy because the scream was never brought up but the witness claimed that he heard the tape and used RZ Sr’s catch phrase of “100% George” like a used car salesman, the fact he knew Zimmernuts for 2 years, and there is already evidence from a witness that Zimmernuts purposely called a potential witness to try and tamper her testimony.

      • Mary Davis says:

        @ Sdunn5, I have already said, don’t be surprised to read next that Chorge cut his braclet and fled the country. Where in the hell does he want to go. Remember HE IS THE MOST HATED MAN IN AMERICA. He has already gotten more privileges than any accused person that I have ever seen. If BDLR allows this to happen, they will look like fools, and this will be proof that there is no justice at all, especially in Flordia. With all this bs going on, on a daily basis, they need to lock his ass up asap.

  25. creepytwins says:

    The Beasley Law Firm is a powerful player. It is now in their interests to ensure that Zimmerman is not convicted.

    • Tzar says:

      how do you explain that shoddy law suit filing?

    • KS says:

      They may or may not be a “powerful player” in the Philly area but it’s not like they are Cravath or Skadden or Davis Polk, etc. But, how do you imagine they will help GZ not get convicted in his criminal case in Fla.? Also, as Tzar said given the shoddy filing n the case that they are handing, they seem to have their hands full.

    • Malisha says:

      It doesn’t matter who they are.

      Do you think that (a) they have never lost a case or (b) they have never taken on a stinkeroo case?

      People do things for all kinds of reasons. I am not saying that it is impossible for NBC to lose because, after all, they did a really dumb thing by putting on sackcloth and ashes so quickly and not thinking it out. They could have dumb lawyers; they could have complicit racist lawyers even; who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Remember, I still think it’s possible the prosecution is playing its own filthy lay-down game and I wouldn’t trust any of the Florida politicians farther than I could throw a stolen grand piano. BUT to use some common sense, it would be more likely that someone in the Philadelphia firm got into this for “reasons best known to himself” and that won’t make or break the frivolous case.

      Nobody ANYWHERE can change the facts that can be established by the NEN call, the 911 calls and the forensics of that evening. No defamation was committed against Fogenpoop Humperleg, and there is no reason for anybody who has an I.Q. in double digits to be “misled” into hating G. M. Zimmerpunk.

      • KS says:

        I agree but, as Piranha Mom pointed out, NBC laywers advised them correctly with the clarification and corrective and should be protected under the 1A. They would be in actual trouble if they didn’t. The Zimnuts are running around trying to call it an “admission of guilt” but, as usual, they really don’t know what they are talking about.

    • Jun says:

      By your post it sounds as if the Beasley firm will be using underhanded tactics to win a case, rather than truth and evidence

      • Malisha says:

        I don’t think the NBC guys will be outdone. I’m not terribly worried about it.

        I still think the wrongness of Fogen’s team, the tactics, the infuriating bullshit they bleat out, etc. are all good theater by unscrupulous “punks” but I’m not worried.

        The ONLY thing that worries me is the prosecution team maybe doing “good theater” to help the defense slip away. Maybe they better be careful, because some folks are already suggesting that they might be doing that so it can’t be thought that it will go unnoticed if it happens.

        I think the killing of Trayvon Martin, whatever else it might be, is a career-ender. I just don’t know whose careers are still out on the line right now. My guesses: a few more cops, maybe a city council person, a would-be nurse, and a little hero.

      • Jun says:

        Career ender for Omara?

      • sdunn5 says:

        Shocking isn’t it?

      • Malisha…..If by some weird chance, GZ won this lawsuit, then was convicted of murder-2, and if Trayvon’s parents won a wrongful death lawsuit against GZ….could they collect 1)GZ’s lawsuit winnings, 2)what’s left of his legal defense living expense money, and 3)any money he “earns” in prison?
        BTW…I looked at an even larger picture of GZ’s color picture of his “bloody” nose……..It actually looks like the filling of a raspberry jelly doughnut that squirted out after he bit into it.

        • Xena says:

          BTW…I looked at an even larger picture of GZ’s color picture of his “bloody” nose……..It actually looks like the filling of a raspberry jelly doughnut that squirted out after he bit into it.

          You know, I had thought of something earlier, and your comment brought it back to my memory. The witness who came out with a flashlight —- well, he did so after the gunshot. How was he to know whether the shooter was still present and would not kill him, unless MAYBE he knew GZ and what he MIGHT have to do?

          I still wonder WHEN he took the pic of the back of GZ’s head since GZ leaves that out of all of his stories. GZ goes from seeing a man with a flashlight to find he wasn’t a cop, to seeing another man with a flashlight who is a cop.

          Would a reasonable person who is unfamiliar with the shooter, be trusting and calm to have GZ pose for a picture while GZ still has his gun on him?

          • This is a very good question to ask and it is why I suspect the witness knew a lot more than he was willing to reveal to the cops.

            Remember too, that he and the defendant stood around immediately after the shooting discussing what kind of gun and ammunition he used to kill Trayvon.

            Neither one of them attempted CPR.

            Trayvon was just a piece of dead or dying meat to them.

          • Xena says:

            This is a very good question to ask and it is why I suspect the witness knew a lot more than he was willing to reveal to the cops.

            Indeed! IMO, the most credible witnesses are those who expressed on their 911 call of being afraid — they just heard a gunshot. Reasonable people do not leave their house to investigate a gunshot in their backyard.

            That witness exited his house with a flashlight after hearing the gunshot does not, IMO, calculate to him being brave. Maybe, if he had a gun. His biggest mistake might be taking a photo of GZ’s head with GZ sitting on the ground using a cell phone and GZ not including that in any of his statements.

        • There is no way that the civil case will go to trial before the criminal case concludes.

    • sdunn5 says:

      The Beasley Firm are ambulance chasers in Philly. In this universe they must pass the bar in Florida to be part of a lawsuit there. I just do not understand this ridiculous suit, legally insufficient doesn’t cover it.

    • Malisha says:

      Here are the people who already have an interest in “ensuring that Zimmerman is not convicted”:

      Alan Dershowitz, Esq.
      Jonathan Turley, Esq.
      Jeralyn Merritt, Esq.
      Timothy Smith
      Norman Wolfinger
      Assorted cops in Sanford and elsewhere
      Several assistant DA’s in Florida

      and it won’t matter. It WOULD matter if Judge Lester had not allowed the Florida Sunshine Law to work as it was designed to work. But now, it won’t.

      The horse is out of the barn.
      Zimmerman’s goose is cooked.
      And all the powerful lawyers in the world can climb on board now but they can’t change the three things mentioned at the first bond hearing:

      Zimmerman’s statements
      The shell casing
      and Mr. Martin’s body

      • Patricia says:

        Yea malisha I have felt all along that gz is running his little horse and pony show because if mom won’t file everything possible and when gz is convicted he will appeal on the basis that mom didn’t do everything possible to defend him. So mom is bending over and over and ooooooooooover!!

        • If Gz is convicted, he will argue ineffective assistance of counsel.

          That is standard operating procedure in a collateral state or federal habeas petition.

          A criminal defense attorney has to expect that regardless of how good a job they do. It comes with the job in all death penalty cases and most big cases like this one.

      • pat deadder says:

        omg I hope all you people are right about the chances of Greedy zombie gz getting convicted.Him going free would be more than egregious.This blog gives me hope everyday.

      • Jun says:

        The thing I dont get is their modus operandi has not changed since the beginning

        They try one same plot on the public and get showcased as liars

        and then they try the exact same game plan

        but this time everyone is onto them LMAO

    • Jun says:

      LMAO he’s not that powerful

  26. sdunn5 says:

    BREAKING NEWS…..from the Orlando Sentinel…. in another motion filed by O’Mara, fogen wants the GPS monitor removed so he can travel freely in the state for his own security.And the horse shit continues!

    • Jun says:

      Correct me if I am wrong but did Nelson not just say that Lester’s rulings stay

      He seems to think he can pull what he did at the first bond hearing, same formula

      show a questionable picture to the media, make claims, and then got a low bond and lenient conditions

      then was caught lying

      Now he is retrying it with a photoshopped pic

    • jm says:

      sdunn5: in another motion filed by O’Mara, fogen wants the GPS monitor removed so he can travel freely in the state for his own security.And the horse shit continues!

      That is what it has come down to. O’Mara is making himself more and more public, throwing everything against the wall, looking a whining fool, and hoping something sticks. MOM looks like a desperate man to me. He is not a likable person and is defending “the most hated man in America.” MOM would do well to maintain a low profile, but I believe MOM is greed and fame-driven at this point.

      I would rather listen to Jose Baez defend Casey Anthony than watch a sweating, flushed (and physically ugly) MOM malign Trayvon Martin and his defense team and whine about “poor pitiful” Chorge and his family.

      • Jun says:

        I dont get some of Omara’s motions

        in his order asking for a review of his conditions, he says that a self defense claim must be reviewed of all facts of the case, but then he laments on with retracted statements, and a very questionable picture of Zimmernuts Fogenhats that he claims injury on from a vicious attack

        Now was that not offered to him? They stated he had till April to file for the SYG hearing where they can review all the evidence, so what is his beef now? It is as if he only wants to review what he wants to review. The victim deserves his day in court and especially that new bloody nose picture needs to be reviewed in court because it looks photoshopped to me and doctored.

        Then he claims that internet discussion has increased and in respect, it has been due to his own actions that caused it. The case was quiet and awaiting trial but now he complains about publicity he started.

        Then he claims it is self defense based on a retracted statement from Witness 6, and according to him, when spoken to about his contradictions in his 3 different statements, he clearly stated that it was wrestling at first, maybe MMA, maybe just pinning, and then further clarified that he never heard no hitting noises

        Then he made claims about Tracy saying its not Trayvon screaming, when there is no actual authenticated proof of this that I have seen, and is based all on hearsay. There is at least 6 witnesses who attribute the screaming to the person who was killed, which is the kid.

        Then he spins the officer’s statements, and the actual truth is, they stated that they felt there was insufficient evidence to charge him with a crime, there was never any talk of they felt he wasnt guilty, they said they felt it was insufficient and anyways, there testimony of opinion is not evidence anyways

        I feel its a plot by Omara to spin issues and I think he doesnt want Nelson as the judge and he is plotting to try and get her thrown off the case and trying to prevent this from seeing trial or even an SYG hearing

      • KS says:

        Notice how MOM avoids the reality that the current bail conditions are a result of GZ and Co’s actions, (lying to the court and scheming about his finances) and have nothing to do with his supposed injuries or anything else that MOM is blowing smoke about.

        • jm says:

          “Notice how MOM avoids the reality that the current bail conditions are a result of GZ and Co’s actions, (lying to the court and scheming about his finances)”

          I noticed this sweating double-talking creep is living in the same “reality” that his client is. It was Vinnie Politano that pointed out the reality of the bail conditions that were brought on by the potted plant Chorge and his lying wife ShelLIE and I will not forget the jailhouse phone calls were Chorge said MOM knew about the income generated from his begsite.

          MOM is an ugly lying sleaze and my opinion of him has dropped to as low as it can go after watching his interview where he attacked everyone with outright lies and insinuations. MOM is nasty evil.

      • Malisha says:

        Wants the ankle cuff removed?
        Oh….see? He didn’t have to post the whole million, and now he’s thinking that financially it would be better for him to disappear than to face the music.

        Fat chance of that motion succeeding. Not only Lester’s ruling stands but more important, Nelson’s not gonna do THAT. What for? To make herself the laughing stock of the whole nation?

      • Jun says:

        I agree Malisha. Omara flat out lies and stated that it was a belief that Lester held that Zimmernuts Fogenhats misrepresented his finances when it was not just a belief, it was actual fact

        and someone told me she already ruled that time had run out on any arguments pertaining to Lester’s rulings

      • Malisha says:

        How can he “travel freely” for his own security? He claims he can’t WORK because he will be killed by the New Black Panthers.

        He better stay the Hell home and keep his bracelet on in case he’s kidnapped and taken to the real world.

      • grahase says:

        This is his first step in preparing to flee. Mark my words.

        • racerrodig says:

          I’m so sacred what with all the death threats and all…..hey SheLie, lets head out and take a nice walk down Main Street, cut over to Broad Street, then we’ll have a nice romantic stroll in the park, over by those black kids on the Merry Go Round. Maybe I can tell them some stories of mentoring that will enlighten them !! Yeah, that’s the ticket !!

          What about those pesky New Black Panthers ??

          Oh, yeah, I’m supposed to be scared, I forgot.

      • So he wants his GPS monitor removed…….hmmmmm.
        As the evidence mounts, maybe…just maybe, Georgie is beginning to realize that his “goose may be cooked”.
        Does his mother still have realitives in Peru that would be willing to harbor both him and ShelLie?

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        However, on the other side of the coin, don’t you think that the people coming out in support of GZ are exactly the kind of people the FBI would like to know about? Most especially if those people also hold positions of power over others.

        Just imagine what it would look like, if a person claiming not to be racist, were filmed in attendance at a white power concert, eh?
        Don’t say that no one would be that stupid.

    • Rachael says:

      Just who the HELL does he think he is??

      • jm says:

        Rachael: “Just who the HELL does he think he is??”

        A superstar who has “masses” supporting him and is now selling his autographs.

      • My blood is boiling at the arrogance of this slithering slug. How long must this murdering thug taunt the parents of the child he gunned down in cold blood?

      • Mary Davis says:

        Rachael, I don’t know who the hell he thinks he is. Where in the hell does he want to go. Remember he is the most hated man in america. Did he forget why he is in hiding. Did he forget about the New Black Panthers. What in the hell is wrong with his lawyers. Some good sound advice from his lawyers would be to tell him that he is being protected with his braclet. I can’t wait until this trial begins, this is making me sick. Now this is the lowest of lows. His ass should be locked up right now. I sure hope he doesnt cut his braclet off and flee the country. Seems like his attorneys can not do a damn thing with him.

        • jm says:

          “Seems like his attorneys can not do a damn thing with him.”

          From what I have seen of his attorney today on interviews MOM is as evil, as big a liar, and as delusional as Chorge.

          They are both looking for fame and fortune, opportunist creeps who have no regard for the death of an innocent black teen or his family.

          MOM has crossed the line in what is required of a defense attorney and is now a despicable human feeding lies and half-truths to the public in order to poison the jury pool and change public opinion based on lies.

        • Xena says:

          Although GZ pays a fee of $8 per day for the GPS monitoring, I don’t think he wants to get rid of the ankle bracelet to save money. GZ wants to flee. Junior has earned some pocket change with his media appearances, and people have sent money to Papa and Momma Zim for GZ.

          GZ does not want to proceed to immunity hearing.

          • jm says:

            Xena: “GZ does not want to proceed to immunity hearing.”

            You know coupled with the defense media blitz with lies and spin by MOM and his sidekick West, Joe Oliver coming back out of the woodwork and the RZ Jr rants and PR BS appearances, along with the heavily medicated appearance of GZ, I think you are right.

            GZ wants out of the country because something worse than 2nd degree murder charges are headed his way and he has been advised to prepare for this.

            I also think MOM and RZ, Jr are trying to ensure the public will be outraged if Chorge is charged with a hate crime or identified as a racist because of the profiling of Trayvon and that is why they are trying to get as much face time on TV to insist Chorge is not a racist and to use the picture of Chorge to prove Trayvon was a black thug and Chorge is the helpless victim of black thuggery.

            The evil lying Mom stirred the racist pot with his “new” evidence that Chorge was “brutally” attacked by a black thug justifying Chorge killing him.

          • Xena says:

            You know coupled with the defense media blitz with lies and spin by MOM and his sidekick West, Joe Oliver coming back out of the woodwork and the RZ Jr rants and PR BS appearances, along with the heavily medicated appearance of GZ, I think you are right.

            You know, I can’t always put into words what I see about a person. GZ had confidence in his lies until discovery was released to the public, beginning with his re-enactment vid. With each release of his interviews, and then the Hannity interview, GZ’s confidence level in his lies has lowered, and lowered.

            Also, at the first bond hearing when he took the stand, GZ demonstrated strong anger when Bernie cross-examined him. It is expressed in the way he sticks out his chin while wrinkling his forehead.

            Lost of confidence in his own lies, and anger problems, is the reason GZ wants out of the GPS and out of Seminole County. I’m pretty sure that MOM has advised him that he will have to take the stand at his immunity hearing. Of all SYG cases that went to trial in Florida that I’ve become familiar with thus far, all defendants took the stand at trial. They are claiming self-defense and there is a “reasonable” standard. No witness can testify as to what the defendant felt or believed.

            But mark my words — If and when GZ flees, Junior’s media campaign about racism, and MOM’s fund raising campaign coupled with racism today, are excuses they will use to say that GZ did not believe he would get a fair trial. They will blame it on the media, Blacks, activists, anyone besides GZ.

          • jm says:

            Xena: “If and when GZ flees, Junior’s media campaign about racism, and MOM’s fund raising campaign coupled with racism today, are excuses they will use to say that GZ did not believe he would get a fair trial. They will blame it on the media, Blacks, activists, anyone besides GZ.”

            Typical of their behavior now. It’s everyone else’s fault but the pitiful Chorge who was attacked by a black thug – why just look at the color picture the prosecution was trying to hide.

            They are all liars and evil to me and if Chorge manages to leave the country, I hope one benefit will be each of the Chorge apologists will slither back under the rock they came from never to be heard from again. The end.

          • Xena says:

            They are all liars and evil to me and if Chorge manages to leave the country, I hope one benefit will be each of the Chorge apologists will slither back under the rock they came from never to be heard from again. The end.

            Prediction 1. GZ will flee with or without the ankle bracelet. His first mission will be to find ShelLIE and talk her into getting back with him. The police will be called. They will take GZ into custody. He will be denied bond. Being in jail, he doesn’t have to worry about his living expenses. In the alternative ….

            Prediction 2. GZ will hold on after Judge Nelson denies his motion. When its time to go to court on the immunity hearing, he will overdose just enough to make himself sick and be taken to the hospital.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            First he has to find some place to go that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the U.S. If he leaves the state then it’s “Interstate flight to avoid Prosecution”. France won’t extradite him unless the U.S. promises that he won’t face execution. Because it’s 2nd degree M, he’s toast. Other countries might just force him back across their boarders, in which case he’ll be back.

            I sincerely doubt his face wouldn’t be recognized. Still, Fla would look like jerks for not believing that he would flee. My guess is he’s going nowhere.

          • racerrodig says:

            He’ll be recognized anywhere. Last week my son & I went out for burgers to a non – fast food place. The man sitting at the table facing me was a dead ringer for Fogen, birthmark and all. he didn’t have a friendly demeanor and one guy went over and told him who he looks like. Oh boy, that didn’t go over well. The guy who said he looked like The Most Hated Man…. was about 45 white 2 kids with him about 8 – 10. I’d say Fogen’s dreams will remain just that.

          • Xena says:

            I sincerely doubt his face wouldn’t be recognized. Still, Fla would look like jerks for not believing that he would flee. My guess is he’s going nowhere.

            When I say flee, it does not mean leaving the country. I agree with you on that. GZ will flee and sometime later, turn himself in. Then O’Mara will use the “voluntarily turned himself in” to argue his cooperation in another motion for bond.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            LOL… That wouldn’t work in eons. If he flees, no matter how he returns there will never be another bail in this case at all. Trust me on that.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            On the bcc:list.com they’re talking about hearing two doors slamming when GZ gets out of his truck.

            They’ve also posted a video where you can clearly hear that GZ rapping on his flashlight and the sound of a gun being racked are two distinctly different sounds that happen in close succession, as if someone else racked the gun, while GZ was rapping the flashlight.
            Listen here and judge for yourself:
            http://tinyurl.com/afetutu

          • jm says:

            Thanks Lonnie.

            What is your theory on why this media blitz by Team Zimmerman is going on, including the selling of autographs, MOM (and West) interview with Jean Cesarez where MOM blatantly spins half truths and tells untruths, physically looking all the worse for it, Joe Oliver, RZ, Jr.?

            Do they just need money or do you see trouble ahead that they have heard about?

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I can’t tell, none of what they’re doing is going to have any effect if new charges are to be filed. They’re probably trying to fill the air with confusion, since the rumor that the SP has an 8 year old witness who saw the whole thing. Left to hang out there, that would have a dramatically chilling effect on donations. Since people don’t like donating money to hopeless causes. So all I can see is an attempt at steering the discussions away from what it might mean that there is a witness.

            They, certainly don’t want the internet to fill with discussions of what that witness may have seen.

            From the videos I can’t hear the two doors slamming that have been claimed. But after reading about whether or not GZ was racking his gun or tapping on his flashlight, well… I’ve put the video up on my evidence pile, where you can clearly hear that it’s two separate functions being performed. One almost overlap the other.

            If I recall, the argument against it being a gun being racked, was that GZ would have had his hands full, with his flashlight and his phone. But, in the video what you hear, sounds like he was rapping on his flashlight and someone else was racking a gun. Remembering that he had two Kel Tec 9’s, one for Shelly and one for himself. The one the police took from him, I believe, was traced back to Shelly. So, was someone else out there with his gun? If so, it was spirited away. That makes sense, because the anomalies seem to suggest that there was someone working with him. Even if we have no real proof and don’t know who it was. Things are beginning to turn up or be discovered, that would make it appear there was someone else there.

            Here’s what I call the “rack and thump” video.
            http://tinyurl.com/afetutu

          • Xena says:

            They’ve also posted a video where you can clearly hear that GZ rapping on his flashlight and the sound of a gun being racked are two distinctly different sounds that happen in close succession, as if someone else racked the gun, while GZ was rapping the flashlight.

            The gun racking sound is heard just before GZ says his last name. There was a hesitation in his answering that question about his last name, so my guess is that he could not answer quickly because of his concentrating on getting the gun racked.

            If could be that Shellie purchased both guns. That would also explain why she received notice from the State about her license being revoked while GZ did not. It could also be due to the State never issuing GZ a valid CCL.

            Because she was a stay-at-home student, (presumably, not physically active) and considering her weight, I seriously doubt that Shellie was running with GZ. I do believe that she was in the truck with him, however.

          • racerrodig says:

            “It could also be due to the State never issuing GZ a valid CCL. ” This would be correct. In the 1st evidence dump is a small item that being a refund he got for his CCW permit. It looks like he applied and knew he would not get it because of his meds. He then asked for a refund then had Da Da call as say there is some sort of foul up, please send this license. Possibly Wolfinger did this for him.
            Either way, he did not have a valid CCW license, merely a piece of paper.

          • Xena says:

            Either way, he did not have a valid CCW license, merely a piece of paper.

            Makes me wonder if O’Mara went through all the evidence submitted by the State, or if he only wants to follow the advice from the treeslum.

            When the State sent notice to ShelLIE about revoking her license, I did some research to see if MAYBE they did the same for GZ but the media did not report it. I found nothing revoking GZ’s CCL and concluded that the State cannot revoke an invalid license.

            There is a report in discovery about a gun shop reporting to the FBI that GZ attempted to purchase 3 guns. This would be while he was with the Ostermans. Mark said that he gave GZ a gun. That was puzzling because if ShelLIE had a gun, why wouldn’t GZ simply take that one? When GZ drove into Jacksonville, he had a gun.

            Here’s is where I’m going with this — it has been reported that in response to the loose Pit Bull dog, that GZ purchased a gun for him and one for Shellie. However, maybe only one gun was purchased in Shellie’s name that GZ carried.

          • racerrodig says:

            As we all know, anythings possible. I do know that if he does not have a valid CCW permit, he’s done.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Well that is true for sure, I can’t tell who was or wasn’t there with him, but I can tell from this video, that his rapping on the flashlight and the gun racking sounds are distinctly different from one another.
            It also sounds like the gun racking sound is further away from the phone than the flashlight rapping sound. The sounds are in such close succession that it’s hard to imagine a single person being the source of both sounds. So that’s as far as I get, I guess I’ll have to leave it at that for now.

          • Xena says:

            The sounds are in such close succession that it’s hard to imagine a single person being the source of both sounds. So that’s as far as I get, I guess I’ll have to leave it at that for now.

            The beating on the flashlight sound has been presented by some who believe GZ was actually knocking on a door. Trent Sawyer has a video where he matched the times with a light coming on which he believes is the porch light to where Jeremy and Jenna lives — who were the first ones to call 911.

            My theory with that is, the only way Trayvon would not have heard and/or seen GZ at their door would be if he was on the dog path and not down the “T.” In the alternative, he did hear and see that, maybe thinking GZ was going to that house and after not going in, went around the other way and thus, “lost him.”

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            When you listen to sounds you listen with “bat ears” automatically. Because of the difference between sounds made near hard surfaces or in enclosures, from those made in open areas. It’s reflexive, you don’t have to do anything but set the video up in a window and have it ready to play. Later on, start it up and close your eyes and just listen. You’ll either get an impression that these sound are in an open area or not. Due to the resonance or echo.

            Anyway, it sounded to me, or at least, my impression was that these sounds were being made in an open area, As if two people were standing just a foot or two apart. The gun racking sounds, seem to be further away than the flashlight rapping sounds.

            Clearly it’s not knocking on a door, because it sounds like whatever is being hit, is sort of metallic. Oh well. this is nothing but guess work and impressions. We have this “drip, drip, drip” of suggestion that someone else was there. But, whoever it was, if anyone, they took great pains to conceal themselves.

            I again listened to the NEN call and it still seems like there was someone else in the truck with GZ. GZ even seems to be trying to talk over (cover) the sounds they are making.

            We’ll just have to settle to wait for more info. But these suggestions at least alert us that there may be something there to look for.

          • racerrodig says:

            “GZ wants out of the country because something worse than 2nd degree murder charges are headed his way and he has been advised to prepare for this.”

            This is what we call “Barking up the right tree”

      • Jun says:

        Where would that idiot run though?

        Mexico? I am sure it is public knowledge in Mexico that he dont like Mexicans LMAO

        I think he may try to run for it but at the same time the bondsman are watching closely because they are not gonna lose money over Zimmernuts

        • jm says:

          Chorge will run to a country where he blends in – maybe Peru?

          Could be his mother has connections there.

          I don’t think he will take ShelLIE because she will stand out and with 2 of them, ShelLIE non-Hispanic, he will be more easily identified.

          Don’t know if bondsman can go to another country and haul people who skipped bond back to America, do you?

          • racerrodig says:

            I believe they US Marshall’s office will work with a foreign country once the legal and extradition parts are worked out.

      • Jun says:

        I dont know the bond rules but they will go after Cheorge because thats a million dollars they put up for him and he had no delegation of a deposit worth that amount top hold by the bondsman, whether or not it means skipping lines

  27. Dave says:

    However, did NBC ever admit they made a mistake regarding the tape?

  28. Jun says:

    Anyways, how are these suits filed? Is it federal or is it under New York Law, since they are based in New York? i know New York is 1 year for limitations and Florida is 2 years, but what is federal?

    I dont think Beasley is taking this on contingency. I actually think that Zimmernuts paid a retainer and promise to pay, out of his donations, and he has a lot of idiots that will donate for him to sue NBC.

    • The Florida statute of limitations applies because that is where the acts that allegedly caused the harm were committed.

      I don’t know what the statute of limitations is in Florida, but it certainly won’t be less than a year. The lawsuit tolls the statute when filed and served on the defendants, so it cannot expire so long as the lawsuit is pending.

      • Jun says:

        Multiple internet sources have listed it as 2 years in Florida. It sounds really difficult to win, especially since they are a media source, and they published true statements from Zimmernuts. While surfing the net, multiple lawyers have even said it is difficult to win and a majority of them would not accept contingency on defamation cases because it is not plaintiff friendly.

  29. Rachael says:

    I love this whole part:

    Referring to himself as a “leading citizen” doesn’t help his case – it emphasizes how difficult it would be to characterize himself as a “private citizen.”

    He’s not. And if he can’t stand the heat, he and his attorneys should stay out of the press conferences and off the self-promoting websites.”
    ________

    Amen to that! If he can’t stand the heat, he and his attorneys should stay out of the press conferences and off the self-promoting websites!!!

    Kind of like when you bring on the confrontation…

    Ironic, isn’t it.

    • Malisha says:

      He is SO a leading citizen. He led Shellie into a felony charge. He led two lawyers before O’Mara into a tight spot they could only get out of by quitting in public. He led Taaffe into making a public fool of himself (when previously he was only able to make a private fool of himself) and he led Joe Oliver into leaping into a pile of humiliation bigger than the one Magistrate Zimmerman is going to fall into before this is all over.

      HE IS a leading citizen.

      • Malisha says:

        But remember, he WAS leading but he was NEVER following.

        Just “going in the same direction as…” 😈

        • racerrodig says:

          Dispatcher “….are you following him…”

          Fogen “……um, can you define following…”

          Dispatcher “…..that would be, well, following him, you know walking or running, I don’t know, maybe skipping, while you are behind him.

          Fogen “…um….what do you mean behind him…”

          Dispatcher “….behind him….you must know what I mean….he’s moving in a certain direction and you’re going in the same direction but he’s in front of you”

          Fogen “…..I’m just going in the same direction….”

          Dispatcher “….remember this phrase jagoff……”that’s following”

      • racerrodig says:

        Not to mention his Token White Friend was compelled to write a book about how loved, er, hated he is. I just hate when that happens !!

      • grahase says:

        The two of you are so witty – I am smiling ear-to-ear.

      • Rachael says:

        Yes, Malisha, you’re right. My bad. LOL

  30. Erica says:

    I can’t wait for Trayvon’s family to file a wrongful death suit aganist GZ and SZ since it was her gun but I know it won’t be until after his trial

  31. oh and BTW i wanna repost this.

    why is Omar allowed to sit up there and discuss the MMA BS and other specific evidence in the case? why isn’t this considered slander since those ARE NOT FACTS and he’s NOT IN the COURT ROOM???

    • Jun says:

      I think its trashy like Jerry Springer but who cares. He’s the one who wanted to sue NBC and in fact he is completely ruining an already frivolous lawsuit. Its more stuff the state can use and as well NBC can use against them. Justice will prevail. They are just dirtbags notorizing themselves. I wouldnt be surprised if the state subpeonas the tape.

  32. Except GZ already KNEW Trayvon was black because he’d already stalked him several minutes before he made the call. He also was stalking the clubhouse on foot.

    But to make the point that he already knew Trayvon was black is that he knew all the OTHER DETAILS of everything else Trayvon was wearing and doing. He knew he was wearing a button for gods sake and white shoes, but didn’t know his most important objective which was targeting a black guy!

    no, GZ knew well befor the call Trayvon was black or he wouldn’t of called at all.

  33. Malisha says:

    Agree especially on their motivation to file the suit. They should have been careful, though. If this gets tossed out as roughly as it SHOULD be tossed out, the attorneys can be subjected to “Rule 11 sanctions” meaning they have to pay the other side’s fees out of their own pockets. It’s for FRIVOLOUS litigation.

    Imagine a guy who kills an innocent Black teen after insulting and derogating “assholes” and [giving him the benefit of the doubt] “fucking punks” and so forth, a guy with a record of chasing Black kids around and making up stories about their criminality, a guy who has himself assaulted law enforcement officers and gotten away with it, now carrying on because someone gave the “impression” that he was a racist????

    The whole world can laugh at America and the media of the entire world can scorn NBC if they settle for a single dollar, and the motivation of trying to get a few extra boo-hoo’s on behalf of their pet racist murderer child-killer should fall upon O’Mara and his pro-hac buddy like a ton of bricks. They did this to publicize the boo hoo nosey wosey picture and they did this to try to intimidate the press into NOT reporting what THEY want promulgated as “THE” story of big bad Trayvon trying to kill their little fat wuss.

    • Jun says:

      IMO Omara and Zimmernuts Fogenhats has turned this case into Jerry Springer and Maury Povich. The guy’s trash and a bloodclot bunch of liars. Other than the fact it gives out presents for the trial, its too much. I have never seen anyone lament this much. Like it or not, media notorizes criminals, whether Canada or the States (Canada has some laws against some reporting) but other than that it is similar. Paul Bernardo was very much similar.

  34. fauxmccoy says:

    follow

  35. Two sides to a story says:

    Oh, and thank you, Florida, because without the state’s crazy sunshine law, we probably wouldn’t be seeing Z as he really is long before his trial. Doesn’t his legal team know that fighting fire with fire only makes more fire?

    • racerrodig says:

      It’s more like they are fighting fires with gasoline ans when the pros at NBC in “Audio Analysis & Enhancement” have “…f’n coons..” as clear as a bell……well. “…turn out the lights…the parties over…”

      • I recall Don Meredith singin’ that little ditty on Monday Night Football years ago.

      • Jun says:

        I have come with a theory that most of the Zidiot nation are maybe playing games with Zimmernuts Fogenhats, for pure entertainment value because I dont see how they dont think he’s an idiot and completely destroying his already frivolous lawsuit against NBC and equally frivolous self defense claim

      • @racerrodig

        It’s more like they are fighting fires with gasoline ans when the pros at NBC in “Audio Analysis & Enhancement” have “…f’n coons..” as clear as a bell……well. “…turn out the lights…the parties over…”

        HELLO!

    • groans says:

      I honestly do appreciate Florida’s sunshine policy, and wish it was universal among the states as well as the federal government. Most states, and to a large degree the federal government, “talk the talk” but don’t “walk the talk.” Sunshine is, in fact, an actual disinfectant.

      On the other hand, Florida’s SYG law strikes me as an officially encoded and flagrant hypocricy, flying in the face of the state’s supposed “sunshine” policy. Worse yet, it appears to be an officially encoded, bizarre mechanism to actually obstruct justice! Case in point, the killing of Trayvon Martin. It puts people like Trayvon’s killer in a position that they’ll be better off if they kill (and thereby silence) their “opponent” than if they act humanely and responsibly, which is required for an enduring civilized society.

      When I read someone mention that some Florida residents are concerned that their state will become perceived as the “Gunshine State,” as opposed to its motto as the “Sunshine State,” I was struck by how incredibly powerful such an “image change” could be with respect to a state that is so heavily tourist-dependent.

      So, that’s what I call Florida now – the “Gunshine State”! I work it into any discussion about Florida that arises where I live – either planting the image as a “joke,” or fleshing it our more, depending ont the circumstances.

      And that’s why I LOVE Malisha’s money-raising idea for this blog: Selling bumper stickers, t-shirts, or whatever (renting billboards near the state line?) that could impact Florida in a way that it will hear loud and clear – in its tourist-dependent pocketbook! (Hope I didn’t misrepresent you, Malisha!)

      I, for one, would gladly wear/display various merchandise items attacking Florida in that way. ESPECIALLY if they connect the “Gushine State” image to the killing of Trayvon Martin. And in that effort, perhaps this blog could join forces with Trayvon’s family’s efforts and other interested organizations.
      __________________________________

      I haven’t even read the rest of the comments posted in response to this strong and enlightening article yet. So I’d better move onto that now, but I know I’ll find many more inspiring thoughts and insights – and I hope I can resist the urge to reply along the way, so that I can read them all! Many thanks to the Professor and all of you for this terrific effort on behalf of Trayvon Martin!

    • Patricia says:

      Thank you , professor &piranha mom patricia. excellent analysis ! Gz should have put one of those knuckle bandages over the pitiful eyes and lips!!!

  36. trayvonstruth says:

    Awesome post! Thanks for putting this out there.

  37. Two sides to a story says:

    Great writing, PM and FL – as always!

    Z’s best shot from the start would have been to shut his trap. Thankfully he can’t do that and will run it right into his jail cell. He’s given us his myriad of stories, the Hannity interview, and now another wide-open view of his narcissitic mind. He’s on a lose-lose roll.

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