Hey Jude, Don’t Make it Bad. Take a Sad Song and Make it Better

Thursday, December 6, 2012

Good Morning:

The holidays are stressful for many of us, but we need to remember that they will be extremely difficult for Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. This will be their first Christmas without Trayvon.

Added to each of our burdens, and especially to theirs, is the increasing anger, frustration, and emotional distress caused by the defense strategy to legitimize the defendant’s ludicrous claim of self-defense by appealing to racist fear of Blacks and Black gangsta stereotypes to demonize Trayvon and transform him into someone who deserved to die. But they do not stop at libeling the dead.

There is no honor, dignity or decency to be found in the defense camp.

By their racist supporters, who specialize in infesting websites where they derail peaceful and rational discussion, spew hate-driven false accusations and assassinate the character of anyone who dares to disagree with them, they have waged a no-holds barred war to destroy Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, and an innocent young girl called Dee Dee, whose only “crime” is being Black, Trayvon’s girlfriend, and talking to Trayvon when the defendant attacked him without provocation and abruptly terminated his life in mid-shriek with a single gunshot to the heart.

We must remember to think of their pain this holiday season, instead of our own.

We also must remember that we are not powerless.

Although this case is an abomination, a marathon, and seems never ending, it will end someday.

I do what I do in this sacred place to assure that the story told about this case to generations of the unborn will be about the triumph of justice over racism, of hope over despair, of love over hate.

We will make it better.

There is a light at the end of this long tunnel, my friends, and it’s not an onrushing train.

Lonnie Starr wrote at 6:56 am today in response to Lady St.Claire:

“Step back and look at the strategy! The defense keeps asking for things, in the hopes of finding something incrimination, but all they’re getting is exculpatory material. Material that is going to be of no use to them. Meanwhile the SP is building a record of what the Defense has asked for and will not be using.

Now, under those conditions, pretty nearly anything the defense tries to present to the jury, the SP can show that the defense is also in possession of material that contradicts and precludes any such use. Each time the defense tries to take a step forward, the SP will be able to push them several steps back. Simply because the defense can be shown to be searching in vain for anything at all, no matter how minute or immaterial it might seem. Yet, still finding nothing at all.

The only question they’re probably asking around the SP’s offices is: Just how deep a hole is the defense going to dig itself into, before they realize they’d better stop digging? I can hear the peals of laughter emanating from the SP’s office from here.

Like I said, the SP’s offices have got to be one of the happiest places on earth to work about now.”

My wife Rachel posted the video early this morning of Wilson Pickett singing an incomparable soul version of song Hey, Jude, written by Paul McCartney, but credited to Lennon McCartney. According to Wikipedia, McCartney wrote the song to comfort Julian Lennon during his parent’s divorce. Listen closely to the electric slide guitar in the background by a relatively unknown studio musician at the time. His name is Duane Allman. At the end of this song, Pickett and Allman transcend.

We too shall transcend.

157 Responses to Hey Jude, Don’t Make it Bad. Take a Sad Song and Make it Better

  1. grahase says:

    If someone is going to shoot someone else, why do we only hear about the SYG cases where the victim is dead. If someone owns a gun and is in fear for his life, why can he or she not shoot out a knee cap or wrist. Why does it seem it is a shoot-to-kill law, for sure.

  2. grahase says:

    In discussing Tugboats concealed weapons permit, I noticed an extremely poor photocopy of one in evidence. The copy is so bad, I can not determine who owns it, if it IS current, or even if it IS a CWP.

    I would also like to know why, if indeed the gun used that night belongs to his wife because she paid for it, where is Tugboats. Did she pay for the two on the same day and put them both in her name.What are the gun laws regarding the purchase of gun(s). In Canada, a gun itself must be registered in the name of the owner.

    • I don’t believe he had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon because he did not satisfy all of the requirements for the course and was issued a a full refund. Nevertheless, he had been issued a permit, so he decided to pretend that it was valid. Along with the refunded fee, he should have been and probably was notified that his permit was revoked.

      The State has not filed a carrying concealed without a valid permit charge, but it should, assuming the circumstances that I describe are true.

  3. sdunn5 says:

    This may be off topic but I am irritated beyond common sense with this case. Does Florida have reciprocal discovery rules? I have a very hard time believing that Baez would be able to say he is representing Serino. Where the hell does that become legal. In nothing I have seen as being legal does Serino show he is represented by this asshole. Attorney-client privilege be damned!!

  4. Jun says:

    BTW

    I love Wilson Pickett

    Awesome musician, love this remix of the Beatles

    • jd says:

      Wilson PIcket was still a young teenager when he started touring as a professional musician, only 14 or 15 years old. He moved from gospel to R&B when he was around 19, and after signing to Atlantic records he went on to work with Stax/Volt regulars Steve Cropper and Donald “Duck” Dunn, part of a growing number of devoted white musicians who regularly worked with black stars of the day.

      Music is where the color barrier started to fall down quickly in the turbulent days of the civil rights movement. On the radio, no one cared what color your skin was.

      Thanks for posting this great song and this stellar version. We can all take a lesson from the collaborations and the lyrics, too.

      “Let it out and let it in, then you begin to make it better.”

  5. Jun says:

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/50110504/#50110375

    NBC is going to vigorously defend this lawsuit, they are not going to settle, and they state that they disagree with the accusations put forth against them by Cheorge Zimmernuts, and they state they never intentionally went out of their way to harm him, they only reported the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

  6. Thank you, You all have thoughtful comments, and he will have a look. In the meantime, there will be a new post coming up in about 1/2 hour or so, that will address the lawsuit apparently filed in State court.

  7. Xena says:

    Hey Lonnie!! Where you at??? The petition is up to 992 signatures.

  8. Xena says:

    Hahaha!!!
    Paragraph 92 of GZ’s complaint alleges:
    “The defendants’ extreme, outrageous, and indefensible misconduct has caused the Plaintiff to fear for his safety and has otherwise made him extremely upset, anxious, scared, and frightened for his life.”

    Oh heck — just give him his gun back — and a bottle, rattle and stuffed bear. He’ll be okay.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Geez, lock him up already and give him more drugs. Everything scares him.

    • Rachael says:

      Fear for his safety and being extremely upset, anxious, scared, and frightened for his life is what got him into this mess to begin with. He was that way LONG before NBC. He is crazy and should never have been allowed to have a gun.

      • Malisha says:

        and should never have been allowed to have a gun…
        or a “diversion program” to get off an assault on a law enforcement officer…
        or a job at “illegal” house parties…
        or a free ride in a cop’s car so he could practice his Walter Mitty act…

    • This complaint contains too much excessive and embellishment-type language. It is distracting and it sounds exaggerated. It needs to be toned down, because right now, it could compete in the Bulwer-Lytton fiction contest, where wretched writing is welcome and writers compete for penning the worst first sentence of a fiction novel:

      http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2012win.html

      • Two sides to a story says:

        : _ LOL You’re right! GZ is especially good at purple prose and should consider a new career as a hack novelist.

      • Malisha says:

        Remember “the suspect again emerged from the darkness…”

        “I feared for my life because he had assured me that I was going to die…”

        “Hey Homie, this is me assuring you that you’re gonna die: HOMIE I ASSURE YOU THAT YOU’RE GONNA DIE…”

        oh, oops, wrong part, mixed up the dialogue.

        Just forget it, you fucking punk.

        Imagine: George’s defense is that he did NOT call Trayvon Martin a “fucking coon” but merely called the innocent kid a “fucking punk.”

        “I only called him a fucking punk Your Honor. And then these bad newspaper people lied about me and said it was ‘coon’ — those bad bad people I can’t even sleep at night thinking about how bad they are, those meanies — make them give me lots of money!”

    • Jun says:

      Xena, correct me if I am wrong, since you are a lawyer…

      Since Cheorge Fogenuts is making these claims, would this not mean, he would have to testify in court to all his claims, and be subjected to cross examination, otherwise it is hearsay?

  9. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Professor, I just sent you an email quoting a response I received today on Newsvine from someone in the Zimmerman camp. I do not have a legal background to know if any points made by that poster are legally valid.

    It actually includes two responses. One was a response to my point that the keychain with the flashlight is strong, physical evidence that incriminates George. The other was a response to my question, “Have you written up a good defense for George yet?”
    .
    Anyway, I just sent it to you so that you could see what this poster wrote.

  10. Xena says:

    Check out recent cases filed by the Beasley Law Firm. They concentrate mostly on personal injury cases.

    http://www.beasleyfirm.com/current-cases/

    • looneydoone says:

      Xena,
      fogen’s legal team has filed a defamation suit against NBC
      just saw it on the news

      buncha effin grifters…….guess the autographed thank you cards and photoshopped pic. didn’t bring in the big bucks they were expecting.

      • IMHO, I think that is Trayvon’s blood on his face, I think he put it there to make him look injured, I don’t know why his nose looks so swollen. It would be easy to prove it was photoshopped.

    • Jun says:

      Freddy said it was really disorganized. I only read the first part of it and too much snake oil for my liking but I am guessing this is Cheorge’s idea and his Zimmernut cult’s idea, since it is really disorganized, much like his self defense story

      • Xena says:

        IMO, GZ wrote the complaint and the attorneys just signed off on it after going back and forth with him about what and how he wanted it.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I’m also curious to know who is paying for this. Usually you pay up front for a suit like this, if I’m not mistaken. Or perhaps a big down payment and set up a short payment plan, unless it’s an almost certain winner, then the attorneys MIGHT wait for payment. Does anyone think maybe Tugboat spent his last dollar on this?

      • Xena says:

        I’m also curious to know who is paying for this. Usually you pay up front for a suit like this, if I’m not mistaken.

        There’s the court’s filing fee. The rest is no doubt on contingency. Looking at the complaint, it is geared to encourage settlement. I hope that NBC tells GZ to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine and demand “strict proof thereof” to all of his allegations. Heck! I can answer the complaint for the defendants in about 15 minutes.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        So it’s common to put this type of suit on contingency?

      • Jun says:

        I’m not even a lawyer and I am confident from learning on this blog that I would destroy Cheorge Zimmernuts in court for this lawsuit

        so I agree with Xena

        NBC wont get in trouble as a corporation because it is innocent dissemination and Cheorge Zimmernuts cant prove any of his allegations

        Besides that, he is of no good credibility or character

        I agree that he is actually trying to get them to settle

        I emailed NBC to find out if it is a real complaint

        I honestly feel NBC should just write a letter to have it thrown out on grounds that it is a frivolous lawsuit and Cheorge Zimmernuts is just looking for a payday and he wouldnt be able to pay the countersuit against him anyways. Perhaps his lawyers would have to fess up the countersuit.

      • Jun says:

        I have sued once before, and yes some lawyers will work on contingency, but it depends on the strength of the case, otherwise they pay the normal $200 to $1000 per hour for the lawyer, or they pay a deposit for the services. From my understanding of American law, NBC can countersue Cheorge, however Cheorge cant even pay the countersue, so I think NBC would ask that his lawyers be able to pay the countersuit, should they lose, because NBC can get damages from a frivolous lawsuit filed on them.

    • Malisha says:

      They’re ambulance chasers, but they usually have a CASE to pursue and of course they work on contingency so they expect money. I think this time they’re working for the automatic fame.

  11. Jun says:

    The new bloody nose pic looks phony but even if it is real, it doesnt prove any prolonged beating…. it proves he may have been hit in the nose once but even then, there is no trace evidence or forensics that prove Trayvon caused the injury because there is no Cheorge Nose DNA or Blood DNA at all on Trayvon’s hands

    • looneydoone says:

      Jun
      Look again. There’s no “bloody nose” in the color pic. released. The nostrils are clear of any bleeding. There’s only a dark splot on the tip of his nose and 2 splots in his moustache

      Officer Wagner took the photo at 7:31pm before Firefighter LT Stacy Livingston had “cleaned up” fogen with a simple peroxide swab
      E38/Paramedic unit arrived at 7:37 pm

      • Jun says:

        For sure, I agree that it is a shoddy photoshop but even if its real, it barely proves a bloody nose but the nose shows swelling, although it looks kind of fake to me. Notice how its really blurry only on the nose area?

      • Malisha says:

        And we are to believe that Cheorge never wiped his mouth or nose in all that time? That when he asked a bystander if there was blood on him he didn’t automatically wipe his face on the back of his sleeve? That he would just stand there for ten minutes letting the blood itch on his lips and mustache? Sure.

  12. grahase says:

    If there is one or are two positives that should come out of this tragedy it is that Police Departments will have had a wake-up call and take action to adjust behaviours and that the public is again discussing the absurdity of some of the gun laws in the USA.

    It is hoped both of these issues yield positive results.

    However, I do not agree with some comments upstream about Tugboat. He has demonstrated an obvious disrespect for the law and has openly discussed his views. He has demonstrated that same behaviour within the courtroom by lying about money he had and believing he would actually get away with it and disrespecting the judge through his attorney indicating he did not trust the system.

    He has a shady background and has harmed many people, including his own family in the past and will probably continue to do so in the future. Worse yet, he doesn’t care. He was and is finding people who will always clean up his mess and he thrives on it. In short – he uses and abuses.

    He went out on that night as he had done many times before. He is a wolf and finally found a sheep separated from the flock and took the action he had wanted.

    He believes he is right, above the law, and feels he could do a better job at policing his neighbourhood. He likes to be liked and who doesn’t. But he sucks people in and hides his dark side. He has done that in his relationships including close friends. He doesn’t even pay his bills.

    In my opinion, his working in an office would not be enough for him and his personality. It was not what he wanted to do. It was a just a job.

    Even though he could not pass requirements in the legal profession, he knew what he could get away with and loved being a security guard at clubs and parties.

    He was attempting to prove to the community that his services were valuable. I am sure he would have loved nothing more than to have formed his own security company to legally patrol the neighbourhood and be paid for his efforts.

    But, he chose the wrong victim. He chose a victim with a great reputation and with a family who cared. The Florida laws being what they are, had Trayvon Martin had a history of any criminal behaviour, Tugboat would have gotten away with killing and his plans would progress to fruition.

    He is a racist with friends who are worse. I believe this should have been Murder 1. Sorry folks, I still do not believe he acted on his own. In any case, I will be happy if he is off the street.

    As much as his disgusting older brother wants the world to know how close the family is, I do not believe it. I believe the family will have a Christmas just about like any other.

    On the other hand, Christmas for the Martin Fulton family will never be the same. I can only wish them well and soldier on.

  13. type1juve says:

    His emotional distress is due to the fact that for the first time in his life he is being held accountable for his actions.

  14. type1juve says:

    I hope the hell he doesn’t have a case. I’m sick of watching him benefit from the murder of Trayvon. This case reminds me of the that old show “Twilight Zone”.

    • @Type1juve, that’s exactly what i said in the beginning when i read comments at the sun sentinel, WTF is going on here, am i in the Twilight Zone!?
      R these weirdos really really? where are they? ive never seen them before and i wanna know who they are so i can keep away before I gotta claim SYG after i pop a cap in their asses for looking at my kid sideways!! i swear, the latest money grab attempt is another freak show altogether!!!

  15. The z-nuts on another site constantly refer to those of us who believe Zimmerman murdered Trayvon as haters, hatemongers etc.

    They are so blind to the hate spewed at Trayvon, his parents and all the others mentioned in this article.

    I wonder if they hate the lead detective who didn’t believe Zimmermans story from the get go, but was overruled by those in a higher position in that police dept.
    Funny how some of them think this latest picture “seals the deal” as one put it, and yet the lead detective who saw these ‘injuries” close up wrote his his report he wasn’t convinced of Zimmermans tall tale !

  16. Dashamimi says:

    According to TMZ he has filed a lawsuit against NBC. I can’t post the link.

    • Xena says:

      He’s suing for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress, demanding unspecified damages.

      Defamation? GZ said “He looks Black.” Later, without being asked by the dispatcher, GZ said “And he’s Black.”

      Had GZ gave no racial description for Trayvon, he still shot and killed him. His emotional distress is because he killed an unarmed 17yr old, 11th grader.

      Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-suing-nbc-trayvon-martin-911-shooting-hostile-racist-details#ixzz2EJKS7dMe

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I can’t believe anyone with even half a brain thinks they can shoot someone and not suffer emotional distress. Even in a highly justifiable homicide, shooters experience a variety of reactions, sooner or later. Most soldiers experiencing warfare come away with some version of PTSD. The human mind is just not equipped to destroy people without consequences.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO

        NBC would also be able to use Cheorge’s myspace against him in court, where he disparages Mexicans and then made claims of violence he delivered onto Mexicans.

        NBC can also use witness 22, who has proof of Cheorge’s racist bullying and harassment and manipulation

        Can NBC tell the court that Cheorge would not be able to pay NBC after NBC countersues them for a frivolous lawsuit and then explains why?

      • Malisha says:

        The problem is that he DOESN’T suffer any emotional distress for having killed an innocent kid. He ONLY suffers emotional distress when somebody says something about him that he doesn’t like. OMG OMG he is not even really human! The walking un-not-but-looks-and-acts-dead! EEEEEEEEEEK!

      • gblock says:

        I think that it is unlikely that GZ can win this one. But, on the bright side, if he does somehow get money out of NBC (either by winning the lawsuit or by NBC settling with him), it may make it worthwhile for Trayvon’s parents to sue him for wrongful death.

        • Xena says:

          If GZ is denied immunity, Trayvon’s parents can certainly sue for wrongful death. However, I somehow think that if GZ makes any money off NBC, that MOM is going to have a lawyer’s lien placed on it as fast as the speed of light.

    • Xena says:

      I wonder where he filed. I just checked the federal district court filings in Orlando and it isn’t there.

      • Jun says:

        They are based in New York but it would be a federal lawsuit

        I am gonna email NBC to find out if its true

        I hope they take their New York lawyers and counter sue the pants off that jerk-off

      • Xena says:

        hey are based in New York but it would be a federal lawsuit

        I looked in the federal district court in Orlando. He should file where he resides but can file where NBC’s corporate office is located. I’ll look for NY.

      • Xena says:

        Nope. I used PACER case locator nationwide using GZ’s name. No case was found.

      • Jun says:

        I dont get the lawsuit. At the end of the day he killed a kid after stalking him. He still described the kid as black, and according to Cheorge’s close friends and the notes he gave to residents, he was targeting black males for his suspicions, so I dont get how he is going to win this lawsuit.

      • Jun says:

        Okay so this news article is bogus?

        I emailed NBC to ask them if it is real or not

        I dont get how their edit even makes him look like a hostile racist

        I think its the fact he targeted a black kid for walking home with candy and acted like a nazi authority in the neighborhood, then killing the kid, makes him look like a hostile racist

        simply stating a person’s race or what you think it is, does not prove any hostile racism

        Its like me getting sued by Jackie Chan by telling people he’s Chinese or telling people that Will Smith is black

        • Xena says:

          Yep!! Before anyone other than SOME local residents knew what happened, GZ packed up and booked out and moved in with the Osterman’s. LOOOONG before NBC played the edit tape, GZ was unemployed. LOOOONG before NBC played the edit tape, those hearing the un-edited version heard GZ get out of his vehicle and run following Trayvon.

          Damages my butt!! His own actions caused his current problems.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        The Orlando Sentinel report just went up and it says GZ filed in Seminole County http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-20121206,0,5534879.story

        • Xena says:

          So he filed it in the county circuit court? I’ll check but that seems like an intentional “oops” so that the defendant will need to pay filing fees to have it transferred to federal due to diversity.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Jun, he would never in a zillion years win this case after a conviction and why it has to be done now! Cha-ching!

      • Jun says:

        NBC aired that edited tape like 3 weeks after the murder. Did Cheorge not go into hiding like right after he killed Trayvon?

      • This is one of the most ring-a-ding-ding lawsuits I have ever seen. What is he claiming, that he can prove, by way of damages?

        Whatever, You’ve got to be kidding.

      • Jun says:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

        Look at how many defences are listed for defamation LMAO

        Cheorge describes the kid as black, I believe 3 times. Once for being asked, and the other two of his very own volition and in the end the statement is still true, he described the kid as black and his teens. On top of that, Cheorge has zero credibility. I could show splices of Cheorge claiming that Trayvon as a kid, and in his teens, and then stating that he knew Trayvon was unarmed, then show his footage from the first bond hearing where he claimed Trayvon was closer to his age and he did not know if he was armed or not.

      • Malisha says:

        Circuit Court of Seminole County, FL

        Philadelphia lawyer trying to “pro hac” in under O’Mara’s bar license.

        Very poorly written complaint. Frivolous suit. Fishing for $$$.

        If NBC settles this thing they’re a bunch of asshole cowards. My guess is that no corporate counsel in the world would settle this idiotic suit.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Professor – NBC did admit wrongdoing and let two employees go. That shows Tugboat just might have a solid case. That he does this now is more theatre and more fishing for funds. Do you think this case will be successful if in fact he did file one? Or does NBC taking care of it upfront exempt them from further compensation?

      • I guess Xena has checked PACER, and it is not showing yet, but looks like it will be filed.

        My prediction is that this complaint/suit will be moved to Federal Court, where it may likely not be addressed until the entire criminal case is resolved in either 1.) acquittal, wherein there would be no damage and the lawsuit would go away or 2.) conviction, where the lawsuit will not be addressed until the entire appeal process is exhausted in all courts at all levels. And this scenario could take years.

      • Rachael says:

        I don’t know that they admitted wrongdoing – they did admit they did it and I’m not even sure that they stated the 2 employee that were let go were let go specifically because of that, but I can’t remember.

        • There is an evidentiary rule that a defendant’s effort to repair a defect that caused an injury to another is not admissible to prove that the defendant knew the condition was dangerous.

          The reason for this rule is to encourage potential defendants to repair dangerous conditions without fear that the repair would be used against them in a lawsuit.

          Applying this principle to the GZ lawsuit would result in preventing GZ from using the firing as evidence of an admission of wrongdoing by NBC.

          That is but one of many obstacles to the success of the lawsuit.

    • Jun says:

      How to prove libel

      There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place.

      For example, in the United States, first, the person must prove that the statement was false.

      Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm.

      Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen.

      For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth.[citation needed] Usually specifically referred to as “proving malice”.[13]

      Wouldnt NBC be considered a celebrity? That is like 4 points I cant see Zimmernuts proving

      • Two sides to a story says:

        NBC admitted wrongdoing by firing two people, but whether it constitutes libel or not is something else. And GZ apparently isn’t suing for libel – or at least the term doesn’t seem to be used in the language of what is reported to be his alleged statements.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Oh, stumbled on this – right from the Tugboat’s mouth – http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/index.php/22-why-i-m-suing-nbc

        • Xena says:

          I now have a copy of the complaint and am uploading it to the blackbutterfly768 Yahoo Group.

          Let me say this — in my more than 15 yrs of working in courts and the law, I have NOT ONCE seen a complaint filed that does not begin by stating the rule or statute it is brought under, and the statute(s) allegedly violated. GZ’s complaint, prepared by O’Mara and the Beasley Law Firm, does not set forth a jurisdictional statement until page 8.

          BTW, the Beasley firm, located in PA, is awaiting approval on their pro hac vice applications which means, they are not licensed to practice in the State of Florida and require the court’s approval.

          • The application to appear pro hac vice is standard operating procedure for out of state counsel not licensed to practice in the state where the action was filed. Basically, all that is required for the petition to be granted is a client, of course, a lawyer licensed in the state where the case was filed to sponsor and supervise the out of state lawyer and be the local contact (that’s co-counsel Mark O’Mara), and the lawyer must be admitted to the bar somewhere (Pennsylvania in this case) and be in good standing. Oh, and the out of state lawyer has to pay a fee. When granted, the lawyer is authorized to represent the client and act as his lawyer in that particular case.

            Like Xena, I have never seen a complaint organized this way. I find it disorganized, confusing and not very professional.

            I will have more to say in my next post, which I am working on.

            Look for it soon.

      • Jun says:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

        He’s suing for defamation which is the same as libel

        NBC did not admit wrong doing. They simply fired the people who edited the tape. The two people who edited the tape would be responsible for the wrongdoing.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        ALSO – get this -!! – http://www.gzvnbc.com/

        • That is a link to the Complaint, which is filed in the Seminole County Circuit Court. It alleges 2 causes of action for defamation and outrage (i.e., intentional infliction of emotional distress) and seeks compensatory and punitive damages.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO he cant prove anything on that complaint LMAO

        Cheorge clearly said

        “fucking coons or punks” and one of the defenses is that is what it appeared to be, whether true or not and that is what Zimmerman stated and it does sound like “coons”

        “these assholes, they always get away”

        “shit, he’s running” and then proceeds to go after the kid

        Cheorge mentions that Trayvon is black 3 times – once when being asked, and the other 2 without being asked at all

        LOL at him claiming a prolonged beating when there is no trace or forensic evidence to prove this (IMO he staged his minor injuries to bolster his self defense claim)

        Cheorge then goes onto claim that it is a grand conspiracy to paint him as a hostile racist

        Lastly, the only fault, if any was found was with the employees responsible for the news piece, and they were already fired, so I dont get what he wants now

        Oh yeah, so him getting around $300,000 is not profiting off a kid’s death but NBC airing the news, like it always does is

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Jun, looks like more high theatre, timed very nicely with the color photo, to sway public opinion and a potential jury.

        IMHO, it’ll bite him in the butt.

      • Jun says:

        Two Sides

        IMO, the guy just wants money and saw a new manipulation and scheme to pull off. I agree it is high theatre too because he is using the weird photoshopped picture and continuing his lies about the death beating he got to prolly rile up his vile ccult.

  17. Xena says:

    Oh Great! My moon transits are out of whack and I’m overly emotional, but tomorrow I go into a time that’s ideal for intricate work, so I’ll survive today. 🙂

  18. The music brings tears to my eyes. Touches my heart. **tears**

  19. creepytwins says:

    A person can walk about three miles in an hour. He can run a mile (on average) in 11 or 12 minutes. And he can run 100 yards in 15 seconds or less. I once ran a five mile road race in under an hour at age 34.

  20. Xena says:

    I can’t stop crying. It’s as though I can feel Trayvon — a bewilderment and fear about the creepy guy stalking him.

    • blushedbrown says:

      I cant type the tears are falling so bad my hands are shaking. I did nott expect this. I was not prepared for this.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Wow, it sure does.

    • Wow, this is so well done. In many ways I feel robbed trying to put the pieces together because the police never even snapped a photo of the vehicle, or it’s position, I really don’t know why I should believe that GZ parked where he said he did, drove where he said, or walked where he claimed. Beginning to think he took that vehicle around the back way. Or something.

      At any rate, these time stamp things are going to have to be worked out for every call in the record. In my own legal case, the time stamps from the 911 dispatch differ from the dash cam video and other sources by as much as five minutes.

  21. Lady2Soothe says:

    The holidays are stressful for many of us, but we need to remember that they will be extremely difficult for Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. This will be their first Christmas without Trayvon.

    This will be my 19th Christmas without my middle son and believe me it doesn’t get any easier. The one consolation I have is to know how, when and why my son passed, which does not compare to the agony the Fulton/Martin Family is suffering while waiting for justice.

    Someone mentioned in a post the other day about sending a card/message to the family with the names of those who continue fighting for Trayvon’s Justice. Has anyone followed up on that suggestion?

    • Xena says:

      Since October, each month on blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com, I put up a post for encouragement for Trayvon’s family. I understand that Attorney Crump has been notified. This month I will do the same and everyone is welcomed to post a comment of encouragement.

      I do maintain where those not previously posting comments are placed in moderation first. Once approved, comments are then freely released without first going into moderation. This is necessary so the Zidiots will not post insulting, rude, demeaning comments.

    • I think we’ll get this together, so that they can receive a lovely card. Xena, looks like, may have started one.

      Thank you for sharing your personal experience, and sympathy to you, this season. And no, life never gets “better” and the concept of “closure” is absurd. It’s different. It’s a life before and a life after, and I am sorry to hear that you went through this. Losing a child is terrible and wrong.

    • thejbmission says:

      That’s a good idea too! How would we get it to them? Do you think we could send it through Crump’s office? I’m personally going to send them a Christmas card. That would be wonderful if Crump’s office was slammed with cards and well wishes for the holidays! Thatnks for the great idea Lady2Soothe

      • groans says:

        @ thejbmission –

        Just for the record (since I doubt she’d say anything herself), it was Crane-Station’s idea. Lady2Soothe, however, deserves many kudos for not letting it drift away from our collective consciousness!

        BTW, I very much appreciated a statement you made on December 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm in the “Featuring Lonnie Starr” article:

        “Trayvon Martin did everything right and everything that we teach our children when approached by a stranger. Run and if needed fight back.”

        It was a refreshing recognition and affirmation of Trayvon’s personal dignity – particularly in contrast to Lonnie’s theory, which relies heavily on his assumption that Trayvon was “extremely childish far beyond his years” – apparently as “evidenced” by Lonnie’s own characterization of Trayvon as “a whining, crying child asking for his momma” (while looking down the barrel of a gun aimed at him).

        [AS IF a “real” barely-seventeen-year-old would have … done WHAT? Left the “momma” part out? Would that have been “mature” enough? “Taken it like a man”? WHAT?]

        Lonnie’s theory as revealed in defense of his theory and in multiple postings in the preceding “Tempest in a Teapot” article are chock full of gratuitously insulting characterizations of Trayvon.

        So I applaud and thank you for your above-referenced statement.

      • aussie says:

        Groans, read it again. Lonnie is describing Trayvon as GZ would be seeing him. He’s been following this case from the beginning, and always firmly on Trayvon’s side.

      • Lady2Soothe says:

        Thank you for the prop’s but as stated below by *groans* it was Crane-Station’s suggestion (I just couldn’t remember who posted it originally)

  22. Malisha says:

    Just thought of a good way to make money on the blog: Print up a few thousand bumper stickers that say: “DO NOT GO TO FLORIDA; STAND YOUR GROUND ELSEWHERE.” Sell them for $5 each plus shipping and handling. In January I can chip in about $50 for the first printing.

    • Pretty cool idea, Malisha.

      As an old Deadhead who still listens to the music, I love the idea of starting a cottage industry creating and selling posters, tee-shirts and bumper stickers.

    • LOL, and signs at each state border that say, “This state doesn’t work either.”

      Sometimes I think one must dig to get to the new lows that are being set in this country.

      Now that I think of it, why don’t we just go ahead and take it to a whole new egregious level of low by charging people to work as well.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Need same for Arizona, LOL.

      • Jun says:

        True

        That poor mentally handicapped Adkins boy was murdered and his killer free for a while because of SYG. I can understand that they need to prepare for court because of the law but damn.

        • Amazing. Simply astonishing that when you get pulled over for a DUI and you are sober, you still must get chemical testing to prove it, but when you kill someone, well, hey…no chemical test. Easy peasy. It’s nuts.

      • Malisha says:

        But I think we should concentrate on Florida because (a) it is THE tourist state; and (b) we have the momentum now because of their crazy crap that’s been all over the news.

    • thejbmission says:

      I’m buying Malisha! Any state who’s economy immensely depends on the tourist industry should have honest and respectable LE and judicial system.
      Who wants to visit Disney World when iit’s possible some idiot will harass, stalk you, provoke you into a confrontation and then kill you And then claim self-defense??
      I surely don’t need Disney World. There’s other amusement parks I can take my grandchildren to. So I say hit’em where it hurts, the pocket book!.
      That’s an excellent idea Malisha! Go for it Professor!

      • I think it’s a great idea. Floridia’s governor wanted to piss test all the people needing public assistance. He owns a drug testing company. I think it would be great. I wanted to make shirts when the Clarence Thomas/ Anita Hill thing was going on. It is a great idea

  23. Tzar says:

    Prof.
    I love this entry.

  24. racerrodig says:

    Well stated !! The Prosecutor must be salivating. I still say it comes down to Fogen expecting to be the hero, getting a parade in his honor, the keys to the city and Osterman, Taaffe & SheLie just cheering him on……then along wanders Trayvon Martin. The anti – thug. Ooopppsss !! Wrong victim.

    Listen to SheLie in the jail house calls. At that late a date, she still says he’s a role model…..can you say “Deluded”

    • jm says:

      racerrodig: ” Listen to SheLie in the jail house calls. At that late a date, she still says he’s a role model…..can you say “Deluded”

      I have always felt that anyone who can live with a person who is obviously delusional (by choice) has to be delusional themselves.

      Then again, maybe ShelLIE is learning disabled and does not recognize what is going on and Chorge has bamboozled her?

      It boggles my mind to think ShelLIE was going to be a nurse with her poor judgement and/or lack of intelligence.

    • Two sides to a story says:

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      • Malisha says:

        How do you make those little notes? I LOVE THEM! 😎

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I cut and paste them from a musician’s FB page. You could cut and paste them from here and save them in a Word doc.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Oops . . . copied and pasted.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Here’s a big one for ya –
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    • Xena says:

      …she still says he’s a role model …

      A role model for how to setup a website and beg for enough money so she could get out of debt and make purchases off ITunes. Hey! His parents followed his lead, didn’t they?

  25. Two sides to a story says:

    Blessings to all – may all beings be free from suffering . . .

    But there are so damn many sad songs to make better ! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAS_STATION_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-05-16-30-25

    • Yes, true, and these incidents seem to be increasing by the day. Maybe I am wearing a tin foil hat, but a lot of this terrible-type news seems to be coming from the South. Then again, maybe it’s everywhere, I don’t know.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Of course, shootings happen everywhere, but many of these so-called self-defense events really are happening in the South. I have some relatives over there who are very alarmed.

        • Okay, so I am not crazy. We live in Kentucky in what’s technically called the mid-south, I guess. Just an observation: Many people feel strongly that they like to carry their guns. There’s got to be some courses or something that people take, you know, that teach that gunning down a little old lady at a gas station is not a reason to pull the thing out and start firing. I know of responsible gun owners who carry and they would never endorse such crazy behavior.

      • I said that wrong at 1:26, but I think the meaning is in there somewhere still. A little old lady at a gas station who bumps your wheelchair is no reason to pull and fire a handgun.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Yes, exactly. I think we’re seeing many, many concrete examples why background checks and education must accompany gun ownership. Not to mention needing to take a real hard look at how our society’s self-defense laws work. In many countries in the world, one cannot respond with any type of a physical weapon if someone harms you with their fist. These countries not only have far less gun murders, they have far less murder per population size period. The rules of engagement need to be held to a stricter standard.

        I think we’re also seeing what happens when times are hard – these incidents are symptomatic of systemic collapse. The loose cannons of our society go off first when the going is rough. GZ may well have been trying to protect and improve his gated community from a minor onslaught of theft, etc., and can be commended for his intention, the reality is that he clearly did not have the emotional stability or the proper education and skills to handle the position he put himself in. Nor should he have been allowed to possess a firearm, or to break NW watch rules by carrying one.

        • “GZ may well have been trying to protect and improve his gated community from a minor onslaught of theft, etc., and can be commended for his intention, the reality is that he clearly did not have the emotional stability or the proper education and skills to handle the position he put himself in.”

          My thoughts exactly. Scary to think if Trayvon had had someone with him it could have been two and not one. There was also a kid close by walking a dog. Even if the theft problem were real, and I believe it was exaggerated, one would call the police, the police would arrive, recover the whatever and make the arrest and nobody would be hurt in the least. FWIW, I have known a couple of cat burglars. These people are not violent. Plus, in general, they shy away from dogs, believe it or not.

          From what I have seen, GZ never completed the required course for the carry in the first place. Unless he has produced a valid and current permit, he was not acting lawfully carrying a handgun that night.

          • jm says:

            Crane-Station: “From what I have seen, GZ never completed the required course for the carry in the first place. Unless he has produced a valid and current permit, he was not acting lawfully carrying a handgun that night.”

            So if he did not have a valid and current permit, what happens to both ShelLIE and Chorge. ShelLIE bought the gun for him or was it hers? Isn’t that kind of like knowingly letting someone drive your car without a license and if they get into an you are liable?

          • Interesting concept, Fred has stepped out for a moment, but he may have an answer.

          • jm says:

            Sorry I was in a hurry and did not complete my thoughts (even though you seemed to understand). I have insurance on my car but only licensed drivers are covered. If I loan my car to a known unlicensed driver, I am liable for damages if that unlicensed driver is in an accident and the insurance does not cover it. I don’t know if I would be criminally liable.

            So if ShelLIE gave a gun that was licensed/owned by her to an unlicensed person (Chorge) is she liable for damages, either from a criminal standpoint or a civil standpoint..

          • In this state, you go to jail for not having car insurance.

            Stay with me here, you go to jail for not having car insurance but if you don’t have a valid permit to carry and you kill someone, simply claim, “I had to do it,” and you do not go to jail, or get a blood test, or any sort of verification at all. If that’s how it really is in Florida, they’ve got to do some things to fix that SYG law.

      • TSTAS, “GZ may well have been trying to protect and improve his gated community from a minor onslaught of theft, etc., and can be commended for his intention, the reality is that he clearly did not have the emotional stability or the proper education and skills to handle the position he put himself in.”
        ————————————–

        i have an issue with that part of your statement.
        #1. Gz has NO authority to protect or improve anything at THE gated community he RENTED in ( where he barely paid the rent). There was no onslaught of crimes anyway. And even if there was, it wasn’t ANY OF HIS BUISNESS! That’s why we pay taxes that pay trained police officers.
        And he KNEW THIS! That’s why he kept trying to get into law enforcement. And he knew WHY he never could never be a police. He was told, and warned and he didn’t give a shit!

        #2.He didn’t do ONE thing out of CONCERN for anyone in that neighborhood. Instead he did everything he could to harass the people who didn’t appreciate his bullshit! Trust me, the people he harassed KNEW what time it was with GZ. And GZ knew that too. He knew the ones who saw through his condescending, passive aggressive, fake ass intimidation tactics were a problem and so he harassed them even more for it!

        #3. And don’t forget, gz did learn what he wanted to during all those classes he failed repeatedly. He learned all about the laws he wanted to break when they became inconvenient for him. He also practiced his shot with a former policeman. Its fair to assume he learned plenty of other evil tricks from Osteman too. He also apparently was so obsessed with another policeman’s ‘justified kill’ he would drill him for every single detail. No doubt making notes on using some of that info in his own box of tricks to be used later!

        No, this guy has no redeeming qualities to commend. He’s not only a child molester,a liar, thief and scam artist, he’s now a killer! He got to where he’s at today from years of practicing his craft on who knows, all kinds of victims, with impunity!

        He’s the one who kept getting away with it!

      • grahase says:

        Absolutely no commendation from me!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        According to discovery, he did produce a permit, but we can see how easy these are to get.

        I think you’re right Shannon in that GZs motivation to help his community was twisted in the direction of self-glorification, and one reason I said that many people lack the emotional stability to own firearms. Studies show that people who carry often tend to become more, not less aggressive. They tend to rush into situations they would avoid without firearms. They even drive more aggressively on highways. It takes a really cool and mature head to handle firearm ownership. And the most responsible gun owners likely don’t carry them everywhere, either.

        • One of my siblings is a gun collector and expert marksman who is licensed to carry. He is extremely obsessed with safety, and he has a gun safe so that they are never just lying about. He has never pulled a gun on anyone in his life. If people are going to carry, they need to be mentally stable, extremely proficient with the safety and workings, and it seems to me that when people get to this level they rarely if ever pull their guns outside of a shooting range. I don’t think Mr. “It Was The Gun” was safe to handle this responsibly. At all.

    • Malisha says:

      OMG how psychotic! I’m lucky to be alive I guess. One time I was turning right onto a roadway and a woman in a wheelchair came up on my right before I turned and appeared to have been hit by my car. That is, I heard metal clank just as I saw her wheelchair and stopped my turn. I then put the car in neutral and pulled the parking break and leaped out the driver’s side door and ran up to her to apologize and give first-aid. She was pulling away from me rapidly and when I approached she began to scream at me so I got disoriented. I apologized and asked if she was OK and she started to cuss me out for being IN HER WAY, which at that point I actually was, because I wanted to see if she was hurt. “Get the bleep out of my bleepin’ way!” she screamed at me, “What the bleep is wrong with you!” and she sped across the street against the light and vanished. I pulled in to a parking lot and called 911, giving details on where she was headed and telling them I thought I had hit her. They said I obviously had not hit her and wouldn’t take the report!

      A friend of mine said, “You will never have good luck again in your life; you just used up your whole allotment of good luck in one minute!”

      First I thought that was funny. NOW I don’t think that’s funny any more. I now think I’m lucky the old lady didn’t shoot me in the chest with a 38! I probably HAVE used up my luck! 😈

  26. 2dogsonly says:

    You are speaking of a rational world but all they need is one holdout for jury nullification. The Anthony and OJ trials are examples of high profile nullifications but there are,no doubt, others. He will never be allowed to have a life even if found not guilty, though.They will get him in the end, I’m sure of that. I take comfort from that….and I still have hope Shelly will realize she can have a life. What she knows will seal his fate even against the possible racist juror.

    • Malisha says:

      2-D, I don’t think there’s going to be a jury nullification in this case. It’s not that I have too much faith in humanity; it’s just that the signs are not strong enough for that. One of the reasons the signs are NOT strong enough is that somehow the combined personalities of Trayvon Martin, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Crump, Jackson et al. have been creating a different environment than we have previously seen in a case like this. It is all bad luck and good luck together.

      • Interesting, I did not follow Anthony, but I did follow OJ because I lived in LA at that time. I remember being very shocked. Unfortunately, nothing in the courts shocks me anymore. I hope you are right.

      • Patricia says:

        Malisha , very profound statement!! I really get disheartened when people compare A case to B case=gz case. And these potted plants don’t have anything to do with trayvon B Martin case. Only connection now is serinos lawyer and they will keep each other in check with no comment until the trial if it gets that far. I support singleton and serinos investigation techniques to get fActs and fairy tales to fogens fairy tale of a crime. Scapegoats are a dime a dozen in the 21st century ., how can you make a merry Christmas out of this tragic affair?

    • Jun says:

      One holdout = hung jury

      I also doubt they would nullify Cheorge

      He’s an asshole, for lack of better word. He should have been arrested and tried for other crimes a long time ago, such as stalking, molestation, rape, cruelty to animals, harassment, making threats, perjury, contempt, etc, and now for stalking, terrorizing, threatening, and murdering a kid

      Plus, his disrespect and lies of a dead kid… that will angry a jury and a judge,,, I could send my screenprints of Cheorge’s cults attempted intimidation of witnesses, and their racist hate toward a dead kid who did nothing at all to him

      so in conclusion, screw Cheorge Zimmerman, I hope he goes to hell, I hope his karma catches up to him and he is locked up for the rest of his life, and now all his victims can get some peace and justice and this dirtbag will finally see in prison how it feels when the other inmates give him the same treatment he has given others

    • grahase says:

      I have only followed two cases before this one – OJ s and Anthony’s. Both outcomes were surprising and disappointing to me. It is hoped this one will be different and there will be Justice for Trayvon.

      • Jun says:

        Personally I think him and Omara are gonna cook up a new story for trial because his other 300 versions are total and complete lies

  27. blushedbrown says:

    @Lonnie,
    Your post @6:56 is dead on. I too can hear the laughter.

  28. blushedbrown says:

    Professor, I truly love this blog and the many contributors here. I continue to believe that we and everyone that supports justice for Trayvon will see the light at the end of this very dark tunnel we are traveling together. My prayers go out to the Martin/Fulton family everday. My hope is that the outpouring support for Martin/Fulton family will help them in some small way to get through this first Christmas without their child.

  29. damn i thought i was firstttttttttt!!!!!!!!

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