Zimmerman: Please Sign and Support the Petition Asking President Obama to Order a Federal Investigation and Prosecution of George Zimmerman for Committing a Hate Crime

Greetings and best wishes to Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, the Martin family and all of their friends and supporters, and to LLMPapa and all of my readers.

On February 26, 2012, while armed with a firearm, George Zimmerman followed, confronted, shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teenager, as Trayvon was walking home after purchasing a can of iced tea and Skittles at a nearby 7/11. Zimmerman, who claims self-defense, is charged with murder in the second degree. Trial is scheduled for June 10, 2013.

I believe the evidence will show that Zimmerman followed and confronted Trayvon Martin without a valid reason or lawful justification solely because he was a Black male, which is a violation of the federal hate crime law.

I support and I ask all of you to support Justice for Trayvon and the petition asking President Obama to order a federal investigation of the shooting to determine whether George Zimmerman should be prosecuted for violating federal laws that prohibit hate crimes.

Please watch LLMPapa’s latest video regarding the petition.

Thanks and many blessings to all of you.

Frederick Leatherman

331 Responses to Zimmerman: Please Sign and Support the Petition Asking President Obama to Order a Federal Investigation and Prosecution of George Zimmerman for Committing a Hate Crime

  1. sdunn5 says:

    Thank you Professor I just signed the petition it now is 625. Until I read your new post today about the murderer trying to sell off his autograph I thought it may be a delicate issue and stayed away, however now more then ever it is the responsibility of good people to use their voice to effect change. If ever there was a case that shocked the public and nauseated good people it is this one. Thank you for the opportunity to post here.

  2. Malisha says:

    HA HA I just had a fit laughing at my own realization of something. Our folks trying to sign our petition have had a lot of difficulty getting the website to let them in; even seasoned petition-signers I know who have been signing the environmentalists’ petitions for a long time had trouble signing it. HOWEVER the folks signing David Piercy’s petition have no trouble signing two, three and four times because they have signed that very petition before and they know the drill!

  3. cielo62 says:

    >^..^~ lost a whisker struggling to keep up! How about them signatures! 357 last I checked!

  4. Malisha says:

    Looks like the Outhousers have gotten energized because there’s now a petition race. The funny part of this is that if they win, they get a request into the White House to start an investigation into a civil suit that the government cannot file. A suit for malicious prosecution (which is not a crime under Florida law) will have to be brought by a private party, George, and it will be dismissed, of necessity, after the complaint is filed by a civil plaintiff against some civil defendants. And it will be a photo op! George goes to court as a plaintiff trying to make people answer for the fact that they petitioned their government for redress of wrongs! Great idea! 💡

    • Xena says:

      Malisha, check your email!!!! Make sure I’m not in your junk or spam folder, please. 🙂

    • Jun says:

      LMAO their petition does not really bother me as well

      1) I think a lot of the signatures are phonies. It is not difficult to create an account on whitehouse and the Zidiots already do that on facebook, twitter, and youtube.

      2) Even given the suspicion of phony signatures, I doubt they hit 25,000 LOL

      3) Even if they succeed, Obama would likely ignore it or just have the feds say there is no malicious prosecution as there was probable cause for murder and the feds are already investigating the case and the Zidiot sanction can be construed as an obstruction of justice

      4) None of the Zidiots have logic or a good reputation and they would get picked apart in court, especially David Piercy

      5) The feds investigating already, and if they do more, will simply authenticate the state’s findings even more, so it just double screws George in the murder trial, because now the evidence is beyond a shadow of a belief

      Their wins always equals losses LMAO

      • Malisha says:

        It is interesting, the observation that their wins equal losses.

        That is inevitable when their hero is an anti-hero.

        It reminds me of how they were screaming “UNFAIR” because the picture of Trayvon looked so good and the picture of George in his mugshot (2005) looked so bad. Unfair? They were both photographs! That’s what this case has been about since the beginning. THEY say it is unfair for the story to be presented exactly as it is. THEY want it to be “fair” by us pretending along with them (as Singleton accidentally said) that it went some way other than the way it went down. It’s only “fair” to see it their way.

        • racerrodig says:

          I shut the Zidiots up real good when Ma – Ma Z did her TV interview. I pointed out that she provided pictures of GZidiot from when he was a few months old to about 10. Why ?? And the Zidiots cried like babies because the pictures of Trayvon were when he was 15 to 17.

          I’ll take “Hypocritical Moronic Cry Babies” for $5,000.00 Alex.

  5. Brown says:

    @Lonnie
    I’m on the case. We should see the numbers moving again.

  6. Lonnie Starr says:

    Us 334 them 242 they gained 8 votes into our 100 vote lead overnight.

  7. colin black says:

    OK Cheers ellejay although gz didnt consider rz as his big bro is my point..Not very close i m o…………..

  8. ellejay says:

    colin—it’s actually “ken” (his brother-in-law scott wilson/married to his 1/2 sister dawn) that he refers to as the ‘big brother he never had’.)

  9. colin black says:

    George was not close to Robert IN HIS JAILHOUSE TELEPHONE CALLS with ShelLIEs bro his bro inlaw.He bemoans the fact that he cant talk to his older brother an how shellies bro is like the big brother he never had.

  10. colin black says:

    Jun says:

    November 27, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Robert’s case is pretty much anyone who is not white speaking out against George

    so tally up the Asian sista Navi LOL
    Only white people on the planet are Albinos an 99.9 percent of Albinos trace there ancestry to Africa.An one hundred percent of all humans alive today decended from a few thousand Africans…As to Frank Taffes raceist comment about planting corn…..The observation that seeds could be planted an grow.Is along with the tameing of fire the biggest leap foward mankind has ever made.Planting corn/seeds led to the so called civilisation we have today.Its quite possable this seed cultivation discovery was made 10 thousand years or so ago by a Woman described as our Farming Mother as she noticed that discarded wild grains an berrys ect perhaps thrown in the dump because of bad quality were takeing root an growing.That observation changed the way we lived from hunter gatherers an limmited population To static farmers able to produce food all year round.An small comunites spruung up.Settlements begat villages an towns an the citys we have today

    • Dennis says:

      You are correct in the fact that they traced everyone back to Africa around 200,000 years ago, the same time that the extraterrestrial scientist Enki created Homo Sapiens by splicing DNA together. Racism is completely ridiculous. For example, the Jews and Muslims are descendants of Abraham’s children, yet they murder each other left and right when they are supposed to be brothers.

    • Jun says:

      That is the present theory and considering that the lands of earth used to be connected as one big piece, I can see that

      I also believe in the end we are all humans and the only difference among us are some genetics and features

      • racerrodig says:

        “I also believe in the end we are all humans and the only difference among us are some genetics and features”

        I cannot argue that in anyway. If only common sense actually became common.

  11. LLMPapa says:

    Did his brother REALLY say Datniggy was a DECENT American?

    OoooWeee….we’re gonna have to take a look at that one, real damn soon…..

    Since we don’t actually KNOW this bro, maybe I can scrounge around and see what FAMILY, FRIENDS, COWORKERS, NEIGHBORS, and maybe even LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS have to say in regards to this dude’s decency.

    • racerrodig says:

      I’d like a definition for “Decent” on this one.

      It’s been documented that he was anything but decent. Lets start with him having a friend take a 1 year prison stint for him.
      Was that the “Decent” thing to do…..I’m a bit confused on this one.

    • Jun says:

      I am guessing Robert Jr has a different conception of what conceptualizes decency

  12. colin black says:

    Again, the FBI concluded only that George was not a racist. The FBI did NOT address the issue of George criminally profiling Trayvon…The F B I also said for decades that there was no such entity as the mafia an organised crime was a myth

    • Dave says:

      The FBI didn’t conclude that GZ was not a racist. They just failed to find conclusive evidence that he was.

      • racerrodig says:

        More specifically, they stated they did not think they had a surefire case. They did not want to make this a “…lets pick on Cheorge…” matter.

    • Jun says:

      I dont believe that is true

      The FBI simply has not publicly released information that George is a racist

      There is plenty of evidence that he is a racist

  13. colin black says:

    Xena how about battle of the masses..re the petitions?

    • Xena says:

      Colin, I have an idea and have contacted some folks. At times I’m a bit slow remembering what I “retired” from but it’s still not too late. 🙂

  14. whonoze says:

    I signed. But comparing numbers of this petition to the treehouse petition is pathetic. They’re a lunatic fringe. There should be thousands of times more people who want to see racism cleaned out of our law enforcement agencies.

    This needs publicity!

    The Martin/Zimmerman story has been dead in the major media for awhile, but the elections are over now, so maybe Tracy Martin or someone could get the petition mentioned on the Revereand Al show, and/or Maddow and/or O’Donnel?

    Has anybody contacted Frances Robles, Jeff Weiner, Matt Gutman, Joy Reid, etc?. Who has media contacts??

  15. racerrodig says:

    Oh – Yeah….Call me Mr. 311.

  16. Malisha says:

    Oh Uh Oh, Navi Pillay is gonna get added to the people that Robert Jr. wants to get investigated for malicious prosecution of a decent American! She better watch out!

    Hey does she have diplomatic immunity? Otherwise she’ll find herself in a Florida jail soon enough!

    • Jun says:

      Robert’s case is pretty much anyone who is not white speaking out against George

      so tally up the Asian sista Navi LOL

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        298 us vs 198 them, we’re holding a 100 vote lead.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Lonnie, thank you for starting this petition!
        .
        I have been commenting in another discussion forum……. I just want to quote a response that I gave to a GZ supporter who said that the Trayvon petition was REDUNDANT.
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        All of what follows is what I wrote to him–
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        “The Trayvon petition is NOT redundant.

        All that the FBI report concluded was that George was not a racist.

        The FBI did not speak to the issue of George criminally profiling Trayvon. Trayvon’s civil rights were violated. Trayvon had the right as a citizen to walk home from the store without interference from George and his unfounded suspicions of Trayvon. George NEVER witnessed Trayvon doing anything illegal.

        Yet, George criminally profiled Trayvon. George even admits this in the opening of his NEN call, telling the dispatcher that there had been burglaries in the neighborhood.

        We know from George’s previous NEN calls that George only reported on black suspects. The person arrested one week earlier was black. This is what Taaffe referred to when he made his “If you plant corn” comment.

        Based on prior situations, George did INDEED criminally profile Trayvon SIMPLY because he was black, wearing a hoodie, and walking through George’s neighborhood.

        Again, the FBI concluded only that George was not a racist. The FBI did NOT address the issue of George criminally profiling Trayvon.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          George is also getting away with having interfered with an open police investigation. When he reported TM to the police, they stated that they would respond. That means they had opened a police investigation of the matter. George decided to try to provide some assistance to the police, and that assistance was rejected! Yet, George continued to “assist” the police until he caused a confrontation. Then he killed the “suspect” with his deadly weapon.

          But, Trayvon Martin was suspected of nothing at all! There was not a single strand of evidence that says anyone had any reason to suspect him. Less, evidence of what he should be suspected of doing. That was all in George’s mind.

          George wore no Neighborhood Watch Uniform, so how was any stranger to determine what his intentions were? Zimmerman issued no utterance or statement, that would have made it known that he himself was not an ill intended criminal stalking prey! Zimmerman had opportunities to inform, the person he was causing to fear him, of his lawful intentions. By not taking advantage of those opportunities, Zimmerman further immersed himself and his actions in a deepening well of hostility. A hostility unlawfully directed at his victim without any good cause.

          Zimmerman even states to the NEN operator that he, himself is hostile to the person he does not know, but who he has seen sheltering from the rain (a fact he makes no mention of) and adds his personal acrimony. “Venomous” acrimony to be sure, since it is punctuated with very offensive, gratuitous profanity. Zimmerman was not merely observing events, but he was injecting his own negative projections into his observations. He was displaying an image of victimization of himself, for seeing the territory he claimed for himself, as being invaded. He believed that the penalty for this invasion was death, as evidenced by his insistence on carrying a firearm to defend his territorial rights. His claims that he forgot he had it with him, notwithstanding! Because at some point in time he drew his weapon and fired without warning, even as the evidence shows that he maintained a restraining hold on his victim at the time the shot was fired.

          There is no shred of evidence that Trayvon Martin, a peaceful, happy and mild mannered youth, had ever assaulted any adult of any size, but had been always respectful of them. That after a lifetime of respecting adults, his life should be ended by one who unaccountably cause him to feel sheer terror, is unspeakably evil. There remains, however, not a scintilla of evidence, that this child’s hands had ever touched the blood soaked mass that was George Zimmerman’s head, or otherwise engaged in an assault of any kind upon George, we can only conclude that the child was paralyzed with fear, such that his hands remained at his sides the whole time of the deadly encounter with the crazed gunman George Zimmerman had become.

      • Rachael says:

        Perfect Lonnie. Perfect.

        “George is also getting away with having interfered with an open police investigation. . .George continued to “assist” the police until he caused a confrontation. Then he killed the “suspect” with his deadly weapon.”

        George had every right to call if he thought Trayvon looked “suspicious.” That is where his “duty” ended. By getting involved he interfered and ended up killing one of the very neighbors on his watch he was supposed to be protecting.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        Up until that night George had WAITED for the police to arrive at the Retreat at Twin Lakes.

        However, the night of February 26, it seem to me, that George revealed to the dispatcher his motive AND his mission………..”These a$$h@les, they always get away.” He told the dispatcher in a quiet tone that indicated that the current system is flawed because they ALWAYS get away. The implication was that he would do things differently.

        HOW DIFFERENTLY was vividly demonstrated by George’s action that night.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Rachael, I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you as far as George having a right to call LE on Trayvon. I don’t mean any disrespect to you what so ever and, I hope you won’t take it that way but, George had no reason what so ever to call LE on someone who was just walking down the street in his neighborhood doing “NOTHING” wrong! how free of a country can this be when a person can’t walk down any street they want to, just because of the color of their skin. that was Trayvon’s only crime WWB. Zimmerman and his cohort Taaffe did not want AA living in their neighborhood and, they definitely didn’t want them walking through their neighborhood as well. they were on a mission with the help of some members of the HOA as well as some members of the SPD to rid RTL of what few AA tenants who were residing there. please don’t take this the wrong way because, Trayvon was not committing any crime and yet this “MURDERER” called LE on him for no reason at all.

      • Rachael says:

        @ladystclaire –

        You are right – we disagree. I think we have a problem with semantics here. I totally agree that Trayvon – anyone – has a right to walk down the street freely. That is my point.

        As a civilian, GZ – and even you or I – have the right to call LE anytime he – or we – see something we think is suspicious. Other than calling and reporting it to the police, however, we do not have the right to act upon it; we cannot follow, question, or detain. That is why police told GZ they did not need him to do that, that is why it is in the NW rules.

        If you see anything you feel is suspicious, you have the right to call the police, even if it is unreasonable. It is up to the police to decide. Had GZ just left it up to the police, they probably would have just figured there is that nut calling again – but GZ, not wanting another “asshole” to get away, took it upon himself to play cop. He has no authority or training to decided if someone really IS suspicious.

        Law enforcement does. They have the right to stop someone with based on reasonable suspicion, which is a step lower than reasonable cause. This is based on their training and experience. GZ (and you or I) do not have that training or authority.

        “Police may briefly detain a person if they have reasonable suspicion that the person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity; such a detention is known as a Terry stop. If police additionally have reasonable suspicion that a person so detained may be armed, they may “frisk” the person for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the “reasonable person” or “reasonable officer” standard,[3] in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity; it depends upon the totality of circumstances, and can result from a combination of particular facts, even if each is individually innocuous.”

        GZ does not have this right. You and I do not have this right. Law enforcement does.

        GZ had no right to act upon his suspicion. He did have every right to call the police if he felt Trayvon appeared suspicious to him. But it would have been up to the police to determine if he, in fact, was suspicious.

        I am not disagreeing that we all have the right to walk free on a public street or a gated community to which we are visiting. I am not disagreeing that it is wrong to assume that we don’t belong there based on the color of our skin. That is a different argument. My point is, GZ had every right to call and report. That is it. Anything else, he had no right to do.

        GZ had no right to do what he did regardless of whether Trayvon was black or white. Certainly being suspicious only because he is black is wrong, however, there would never have been a problem had he not acted on his suspicion considering Trayvon was doing nothing wrong. GZ does not have the training or experience to go beyond calling and reporting.

        He is a perfect example of why there are rules in NWs against what he did and why law enforcement say not to do it.

        You are misunderstanding me if you think I am saying Trayvon did not have the right to walk down the street. Of course he did. However, GZ had the right to call if he thought he was suspicious. Because Trayvon has the right to walk down the street, GZ had NO right to go after him, stop him or question him. Had he not done that, Trayvon’s rights to walk down the street would not have been interfered with and he would still have been allowed to freely walk down the street.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          We’re at 417 they’re at 374, they’re catching up, we need media reach. Keep at it gang.

          Technically the petition is wrong in that it says “investigate Zimmerman” for dramatic purposes, the real push is to have the Zimmerman CASE investigated. But it’s hard to make technical issues hit home emotionally, so the “reach poetic” had to be made.

          As the professor has pointed out, “civil rights violations” law, can only be directed at public officials who fail to perform their duties for various reasons.

          In this case, since TM’s rights ended with his death, it is the rights of the people of the state of Florida whose rights are now in question.

          Because “SYG” replaces a persons requirement to retreat, with a need to demonstrate that what is in the mind of the survivor, and what was the survivor actually and reasonably capable of during the fatal event, that LEO may feel incapable of determining and will therefore fore go investigations wholesale or in error caused by demoralization owing to a lack of successful results in such cases.

          People in SYG states should know that the requirement to retreat has been replaced with a need to view the mental state of the survivor, to determine if it was a “good shoot”. That’s pretty much the same as having no protection of law at all. Consider where we would be if there were no NEN call at all.

          • Xena says:

            @Lonnie,
            Your comment caused me to wonder if there is an argument against SYG law that it is a constitutional violation. Meeting force with force, even deadly force, should not allow anyone to fire a gun when the other person is unarmed. In such cases, the perpetrator should be arrested — period. An exception would be when a felony, such as robbery or rape, is being committed.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            The main point is that SYG isn’t needed. We don’t need to trade the requirement to retreat, for the state of mind of someone who may believe they’re facing a deadly situation. We have the courts to evaluate what happened.

            A grocer in the city, after losing an employee to a senseless killing by a robber, obtained an illegal weapon, he was not entitled to have, and kept it near his cash register. While he had his family members helping him in the store, a robber came in and threatened his wife who was tending the register. The robber did not see the store keeper, because he was stooping to put money in the safe. He drew the weapon from it’s hiding place, and through a small separation between the counter top and it’s stand, he located the robber and opened fire through the wall.

            The police reluctantly made an arrest for illegal possession of a deadly weapon. The DA was considering filing charges, but the neighborhood went wild and as waves of protest began to spread around the city, the DA decided not to charge. So, now it’s become de facto law in the city, that if you use a weapon in the commission of a crime, you can be killed with an illegal weapon and that will be that. The DA will review the case and decide whether or not to bring charges.

            Sure it was an illegal gun and a sneaky shot, but hey, when it’s “your money or your life”, you have no way to know that it won’t be “your money and your life and perhaps a few more lives of witnesses”.

            The point is there is no need for SYG, because that law is improperly fashioned it’s little more than a license to kill.

          • Xena says:

            The point is there is no need for SYG, because that law is improperly fashioned it’s little more than a license to kill.

            The first I heard of SYG was when Zimmerman killed Trayvon. When I researched the statute, it left me rather puzzled, and I then researched SYG cases. Since the law provides for an immunity hearing, it appears not to give LE privilege to be judicial fact-finder and not make an arrest.

            When people like Orr, Zimmerman, Dunn and Dooley, have a sense of entitlement to exercise authority over strangers, giving them weapons endangers society.

            IMO, conceal carry for self-defense for the common citizen, conveys that they already jump at their own shadow and may enter into situations where otherwise, they would stay their distance, if not but for the fact that they have a gun.

          • racerrodig says:

            As my dad the cop always said…..”Any civilian who leaves the house armed is LOOKING for trouble” so “Check your weapons at the door……on the way out”

            Makes sense to me.

          • Xena says:

            As my dad the cop always said…..”Any civilian who leaves the house armed is LOOKING for trouble” so “Check your weapons at the door……on the way out”

            At a time many moons ago when I was stalked and my life threatened, the Chief of Police, who I knew personally, advised me to buy a gun and apply for a FOID card. My nephew is a licensed gun dealer so he chose one for me. The Chief teased me about it calling it a “pea shooter.” It was a 25. I told him that I really didn’t want to kill anyone. Death is too final and stopping another from harming does not have to result in death especially if the other person is unarmed.

            Well, I got the cop and military lecture about pulling a gun means shooting to kill. I countered with yes, killing the situation without killing the person.

            The day that the creep was arrested, I put the gun back in the box and it stayed there for about 9 yrs until I finally went to the Sheriff for documents to give it to someone else with a FOID card.

          • racerrodig says:

            That “..you always shoot to kill…” is just the Gun NutZZ way of justifying the thrill of a kill. I’d love to see what they would say if one of their loved ones gets murdered needlessly.

          • Xena says:

            I’d love to see what they would say if one of their loved ones gets murdered needlessly.

            They would probably say, “You could have shot to wound instead of killing him/her.”

          • racerrodig says:

            That or “Damn Gun NutZZ” who would kill an innocent person that was unarmed. Hey Sybil where’s that card from Z…….”

          • Xena says:

            There was a case close to my neck of the woods. I met the father of the teen that was killed. After an attorney turned him down to sue the house-sitter for wrongful death, the attorney’s paralegal wanted to help him. She didn’t know what she was doing, and she turned to me. I told her that she should listen to the lawyer. The 3 guys that brought the teen to a house to break-in and steal guns all copped for manslaughter and are in prison. The dad didn’t want to sue them (they have no assets).

            One day last year when I remembered this case, I checked court records and sure enough, that paralegal had helped the dad to file a lawsuit against the house-sitter. The suit was dismissed 6 mths later and the dad was ordered to pay the respondent’s fees. I actually wanted to report her for practicing law without a license.

            http://www.saukvalley.com/articles/2008/04/30/news/local/28490796aecd32d180a65e5f87cdd35a.txt?__xsl=/print.xsl

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Also, this ALEC (American Legislative Exchange) created law, written by a conservative think tank and handed to elected legislators to sponsor in their state, already has a history of not being useful.

            It hasn’t stopped mass murders in their tracks. No one pulled a weapon at the Batman movie killings. If they had, it’s more likely there would have been pandemonium and probably more deaths as shooter would not have been able to determine who was the good from the bad guys.

            Even worse, some movie theaters server popcorn and other snacks in bright shiny packages. Who’s to tell if they would not have been mistaken for targets, by untrained would-be-responders? Further endangering even more people.

            The narratives about SYG are nice, because they are hypothetical designs, created to highlight the possible goods, from the possible evils. As such, they tend to leave out details that are negative to the offer.

            Obviously the legislators we elect, need to be scrutinized for their ability to research more and understand legislation more rationally as it functions in the real world. Not just take a handful of papers from some biased group, that comes with an envelope full of campaign cash. When a legislator is unable to convincingly enumerate the pros and cons of a bill, they should be removed from office! No bill should pass without those entrusted with the power to vote for or against it, not having the concern or ability to evaluate it.

            That’s exactly why we’re in the messes we have. Elected officials sprouting things like “legitimate rape” that “doesn’t result in pregnancy because nature blocks it”, or “intelligent design” or “global warming frauds”, and “humans danced with dinosaurs in a world only 4440 years old”. Looney, crazy idiot legislators, voting to “improve” our lives, without a clue as to what they are doing, and refusing to face the consequences when they arrive.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I just sent her an email letting her know about the petition, just in case someone forgot to do so 😉

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            You can make amends by sending her the whitehouse video llmpapa made. 🙂

          • Brown says:

            will do. ; ^ )

          • Brown says:

            Emailed Beth Kassab. 😉

          • Xena says:

            @Lonnie Starr
            Re: Colorado. James Holmes was covered with bullet proof protection from head to toe. Anyone with a gun thinking they could take him down would have been a sitting duck target.

            Re: Legislatures. I would include many decision makers in that kettle who make decisions concerning consumers, and that’s based on my personal experience. Although attorneys and judges came together for a good in establishing self-help centers for people unable to afford an attorney, they miserably fail in understanding the nature of people.

            Those making the decision are people in positions who have authority and control when they come into contact with the public in the process of doing their jobs. A judge can have a bailiff escort disruptive people out of a courtroom. An attorney can withdraw when a client fails to cooperate. But, they refer these same rude, disruptive people to a service where the staff person is not licensed to practice law, has no authority to tell disruptive people to leave, and is expected to be polite while being cursed out.

            It’s the same when it comes to owning guns. The legislature does not get into reasons why people want guns and SYG laws. They take no consideration of the anger and stress that lies within people and how they will express it towards others.

          • racerrodig says:

            “… when it’s “your money or your life”, you have no way to know that it won’t be “your money and your life and perhaps a few more lives of witnesses”.

            On that topic, and being a gun owner & raised by a cop, never try to stop an armed person unless you are trained for it. The risk is as you said “…your life…” a loved one or a witness. My dad taught me how to shoot and I can dot your eye at 150 feet. Why would I, that would be irresponsible.

            I have replayed scenarios that involve a hostage at gun or knife point and we have a codeword for that. If that is the case, and my son is held, and he’s pretty big for a 14 year old, and I use the codeword in a sentence, he knows go down like a lead balloon & roll out. He knows how good a shot I am but would I take that shot….would I use the codeword….???? The risk ?? We’re depending on a 1 second or less window of opportunity when a hostage taker is surprised. Is it worth it ?? If I hit him even square, he may pull the trigger on impulse…..doers he hit my wife, my son, me ?? Is it worth the risk?? Probably not.

            You cannot unring the bell. On the other hand my wife says…..take the shot, that SOB broke in, has my jewelry and our stuff in his bag and he took his risk…….1…..2……3

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Evaluating a life or death situation is not as easy as the “narratives” make it appear. Where by “narratives” I mean to include all the media outlets; movies, tv shows, comedy skits, newspaper articles etc., on and on.

            Each situation has it’s own risks and many of those risks are hidden from view, to those who have never experienced these situations before. LEO’s, hopefully, study and continue to study scenarios that have played out in real life situations, to find the hidden risks that come with the possible actions that one might take.

            Of course there are times when caution needs to be “thrown to the winds”, but as a general rule, that point is painfully obvious to all who view the aftermath. There is also a certain amount of confusion permissible, to both the untrained and the professional, we would not be human if it weren’t.

            The fact is, we cannot read minds. so we must have calm and professional review of each and every matter that involves the loss of a human life, so as not to give license “wholesale” to any individual or group of any design. We need to have faith that the law will be able to determine the excusable from the inexcusable, because that’s all we have. We cannot have a society as great and improving, as we have, if we are unable to decide and/or trust the decisions being made. Otherwise, no matter how great our society once was, no matter how great it might be, if “we the people” lose faith in it, it’s history! It cannot survive!

            It is these small incidents by single actors, going without proper investigation, that chips away at public trust in the law. Here it has resulted in the defense being unable to obtain a password. But, that is indicative of a view that is and will spread throughout the nation. No one can say when the break point will reach, when these little incidents of inappropriateness by LEO and public officials will become an insurmountable tsunami. All we do know is that by enforcing accountability, we repair the breachs.

          • racerrodig says:

            Well said.

      • Rachael says:

        And yes, he called for no reason at all IMO and yours as well, but he does have a right to call and report. However, that is NOT what killed Trayvon. What killed Trayvon was GZ going beyond his right to call and report – and I didn’t put the first part of the article in my last post:

        “Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard of proof in United States law that is less than probable cause, the legal standard for arrests and warrants, but more than an “inchoate and unparticularized suspicion or ‘hunch’ ”;[1] it must be based on “specific and articulable facts”, “taken together with rational inferences from those facts”.[

        But again, this is for law enforcement, NOT civilians, and GZ had no right to act upon his hunch or suspicion. He is not trained or authorized to do that. His only “fact” was that the guy looked suspicious – because why, he was black? He was wearing a hoodie? He was leisurely walking in the rain? He did not see Trayvon involved in any illegal activity, there had been no illegal activity at that time that would make Trayvon “suspect.” His reasoning or hunch, IMO, was not reasonable – which again is WHY he, if he felt it was, could call the police, but had NO authority to do ANYTHING more than that.

        But his calling the police is not what killed Trayvon. Had he merely called the police, which yes, I DO believe was his right to do, Trayvon would still be alive. They may have decided GZ’s call was bogus, they may have found Trayvon and decided it was bogus, they may have even stopped Trayvon and asked him where he lived, but regardless, GZ calling the police because he thought Trayvon looked suspicious is not what killed Trayvon.

        What killed Trayvon is GZ pretending to be a cop and doing the job of a cop without the ability, training or authority to act upon his suspicion which a law enforcement person would (most likely) have not found to be reasonable, especially considering the circumstances surrounding (i.e., not engaged in any criminal activity, no criminal activity had just occurred in the area where Trayvon was walking, etc.).

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          The “hoodie” is a mere distraction/deflection, since obviously, it only has meaning if a black person is wearing it. That’s why they focus on the clothing and not on whose wearing it, they’re hoping that we will not remember or understand this detail.

          • racerrodig says:

            Bill Belichick wears a hoodie, Tom Landry wore a hoodie, Bill Cosby wears a hoodie, Mike Holmgren worn a hoodie, racerrodig wears a hoodie………………Problem with that homie??

            There are millions of us who wear a hoodie, and a lot of us are white…..hey Cheorge….up yours. (Pardon my French)

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Haha… George is watching everyday as his stories get kicked around like footballs, while his life swirls slowly down the drain.
            But hey, he didn’t have to pull that trigger, Trayvon didn’t have to die, but now what’s done is done.

            GZ may have been convinced he could get away with it, and do what exactly? Puff out his chest that he had killed a child? Is that the way he intended to live out his days? That was supposed to put him right up there with John Wayne? Gacy! Perhaps. But not the Duke for sure!

            In any event the horrible scheme collapsed and left him sitting in a courtroom while lawyers attempted to convince a jury to decide what his fate should be. The only choices his “superiority” have left him with is, either surrender his life willingly, or have it drip, drip, dripped out of him, year after boring year behind bars.

          • jm says:

            Lonnie says: “GZ may have been convinced he could get away with it, and do what exactly? Puff out his chest that he had killed a child?”

            My unprofessional theory about GZ is he has gotten away with every underhanded thing he has done in his life with his family ignoring it or bailing him out using “influence” just as they are trying to do now. I think it is a matter of pride and the family’s dysfunction. So they have enabled him to reach the point of murder.

            As far as puffing out his chest and admitting he killed a child, GZ killed a black teen who he felt mentally (not physically) threatened by. Stocky short George probably felt inferior to a tall slim kid with his life ahead of him.

            GZ also wanted recognition from his family and friends and I believe GZ thought he would be applauded for his actions because he has delusions of grandeur as evidenced by his thanking “the masses” on his website and his TV interview with Sean Hannity.

            The Zimmerman supporters and family can spin this into a non-racist killing, but because GZ did not value the life of a black teen as shown by his lack of remorse and regret immediately once he learned the kid was staying in the neighborhood, had no weapon and no record.

            That goes the same for the whole Zimmerman family who have never admitted GZ should never have profiled, followed, confronted and killed Trayvon Martin and instead are seeking money and notoriety from the murder of a black teen.
            .

          • cielo62 says:

            GZ doesn’t have the cojones to give up his life willingly, so it’ll be the drip,  drip, drip of wasted time for him.

            ________________________________

      • Rachael says:

        In summary – LOL – George’s phone call to LE did not interfere with Trayvon walking down the street. George himself did.

        Trayvon had the right to walk, GZ had the right to call. The call itself did not stop Trayvon from walking down the street.

        GZ’s call did not stop Trayvon from walking down the street, GZ stopped Trayvon from walking down the street. THAT is the part he did not have any right to do – and that is the part that kept Trayvon from having his right to walk down the street.

  17. Malisha says:

    Oh and Junior, the plural of “attorney” is “attorneys.”

    Grammatical Man. Dahn da Dahn Dahn…

  18. Malisha says:

    Notice the “eau de martyroh” in Robert Jr.’s words, especially:

    “no matter how we are attacked by the many who have been fooled into believing the myths perpetuated by a select few operatives now identified in open court… Attornies Ben Crump, Natalie Jackson, and the media consultant Ryan Julison. Race should never again be used as an indictment of a decent American’s credibility.”

    Boo hoo blubber blubber (bilubber), a decent American had his credibility indicted by operatives now identified in open court.

    And many have been fooled into believing the myths!

    Uh oh, blubber blubber, this does not bode well for that jury…

    • Jun says:

      You mean, kind of like the myth of the heinous assault and the fact that George was broke and only had one passport, and RZ Jr had nothing to do with the structuring of such monies

      LMAO

      How about the myth that Trayvon was never killed, it is a conspiracy by the hip hop illuminati?

    • racerrodig says:

      What “decent American” is he referring to. Does he actually think anyone but an easily manipulated racist sheep will buy that.

      • Xena says:

        What “decent American” is he referring to. Does he actually think anyone but an easily manipulated racist sheep will buy that.

        If I heard or read absolutely nothing about GZ and only saw his bond hearing, his potted palm stance would be sufficient for me to form the opinion that he is not decent.

  19. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    LMAO…Here is RZJr. thank you…lol

    Lake Mary, Florida

    November 26, 2012

    From the desk of Robert Zimmerman, Jr

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/20163248/robert-zimmerman-jr-supporting-online-petition-for-brother

    I want to personally thank all of you who took the time to sign the @whitehouse petition onhttps://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ . Today, the petition reached 150 e-signatures needed to become a publicallysearchable petition and is now available for all Americans to search, view, and sign. Although I am not the authorof the petition I am a firm believer in the people of any nation having a means by which they can effectivelypetition their government, as were our forefathers. Through your efforts, the next step of reaching 25,000signatures by December 17, 2012 will be within reach as well. As many across the country have expressed theirconcern about the malicious prosecution of my brother

    I hope the petition will result in investigating the processby which charges were brought. I think if we keep the message alive, keep informing other concerned Americansabout this injustice, and keep our message about truth and intellectual discovery of facts brought forth in the courtof law, we will see the day that justice is served.An excerpt from an email I received from the creator of the petition:

    The case against Mr. Zimmerman stopped being about truth and justice long ago. Over the course of time it has evolved into the pursuit of a desired outcome by interested parties and those parties have shown areadiness and willingness to achieve that end at all cost regardless of ethics and points of law. These parties haveutilized political, social, and economic powerhouses to advance an agenda under the guise of justice for mistreated

    and underrepresented minorities….

    The American Criminal Justice System was never intended to be used to attaina desired outcome and it should never be used in this manner. Instead of a quest for justice it becomes a

    perversion of justice!”

    In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr:

    “…Injustice anywhere threatens

    Justice ev

    erywhere…”

    I want to remind supporters that true power springs forth from truth, not from hatred. Moving forward, I ask thatall those who have shown support over these past ten months not lose sight of the fact that truth is on our side.The use of hate

    ful words by people of a different opinion is hurtful, but we must always rise above the “noise” and

    respect the gravity of this situation by making sure that the way we communicate is ethical, respectful, andtruthful

    no matter how we are attacked by the many who have been fooled into believing the mythsperpetuated by a select few operatives now identified in open

    court…

    Attornies Ben Crump, Natalie Jackson, andthe media consultant Ryan Julison.Race should never again be used as an indictment of a

    decent American’s credibility. It is time to shred the race

    card and its profits once-and-for-all.Remember, it will take a lot of work and dedication to spreading the message of the petition to get 500 people orso per state to sign it in order to reach

    25,000… I’m counting on all of you.

    God Bless the United States of America

    • Jun says:

      Its a dark day when Zimmernuts logic becomes the will of the day

      LOL at an injustice of investigating and indicting someone for stalking and killing a kid, and the perpetrator concocting and staging a self defense claim as to not have to face responsibility for killing a kid

      I should start a petition for RZ Jr to STFU

      • Rachael says:

        I think that would reach the 25,000 in just a couple days.

      • ladystclaire says:

        Jun, if you start such a petition to shut this tambourine player up, I will surely sign it. his pappy told him to keep out of this case, and he just keep right on going.

    • Rachael says:

      Barf.

    • racerrodig says:

      Does Zippy Jr know his wonderful brother had a friend take a 1 year prison hit, and can we get a petition about that.

      Do any of the Zidiot’s actually know what a malicious prosecution is ?

      • Xena says:

        Junior is continuing his dad’s plea to investigators, i.e., “Make this all end.” If they truly believe in GZ’s innocence, they would let the judicial system work.

        • racerrodig says:

          You have that right. They have the “…believe us and don’t believe them despite the evidence approach.”

          “I believe in the judicial system, that is if it serves our cause.” is a good line that they use also.

          I’ll go out on a limb and say when he is convicted it’s because we bribed the jury.

          • Xena says:

            I’ll go out on a limb and say when he is convicted it’s because we bribed the jury.

            Haha! Or because MOM failed to argue how many times Trayvon pooped in his diaper as an infant and how many times Sybrina changed his diapers, proving that they are people undeserving of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

            Or, because MOM doesn’t drill Tracy on why he didn’t teach Trayvon not to walk alone after dark in the State of Florida.

            It’s everyone’s fault except Cheorge’s who got out of his truck, followed, pulled his gun, aimed, and shot Trayvon dead.

          • racerrodig says:

            Pay no attention to that evidence on the table…..Trust me…

            Have I ever lied to you before. We need to think ahead on what excuses he’ll dream up.

            “…..um…well, if God didn’t make it rain then he wouldn’t look suspicious…….”

            “…..um, if Target didn’t have a sale on bread that day…….

            “…..um, If I didn’t get such a great deal on that Honda Ridgeline…..

            “…..um, If SheLie would actually make dinner once in a while……”

            “…..um, Osterman made me buy a gun…..um two actually….”

            “…..um, the cops said they’d ignore it…….”

            “…..um, how could I know his parents cared about him……”

            “…..um, i shot someone else and nobody cared……ask SheLie…”

          • Xena says:

            @racerrodig. I think you know Cheorge and Papa Zim too well. LOL!

          • racerrodig says:

            I can picture Z at his trial ala Jake Blues on his knees at the end of “The Blue’s Brothers” telling his ex-fiance (Carrier Fischer) “….there were locusts, my tux didn’t come back from the dry cleaners, I had a flat tire…..I swear to God……………….it wasn’t my fault…..” then giving the jury that eye brow raise hoping they’ll say “……oh Cheorge…..honey…….”

            Sorry Cheorge…..that only happens in the movies.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Yes, Race, their approach to win at any costs, strips everyone of their right to judicial review, by making judicial review useless. They want to take the nation back to the use of Star Chamber “hearings” and Witches of Salem “trials”. Something any thinking U.S. Citizen should find completely intolerable.

          • racerrodig says:

            Being the son of a police officer and seeing both sides, it galls me that anyone has the nerve to say this is a malicious prosecution.

            So let me step back minute and say the Zidiot Nation to the man berated the President, called him names, insulted his “..if I had a son…” comment and tears the Democrats in every fashion apart, now seek this same President to sign this preposterous petition.

            Right !

          • Xena says:

            So let me step back minute and say the Zidiot Nation to the man berated the President, called him names, insulted his “..if I had a son…” comment and tears the Democrats in every fashion apart, now seek this same President to sign this preposterous petition.

            Racerrodig, I’ve seen the attitude in corporate and political settings when the decision maker is a woman or minority. White Superiority bigotry interjects its demands as “master”, intended to subject the decision maker into doing what the Supremacist wants.

            Superiority dysfunction goes in circles — nothing is ever good enough for them. For instance, if the Obama administration does what “cracker” wants, then the President had to be told what to do. If the administration doesn’t do what “cracker” wants, then the race card is pulled.

          • racerrodig says:

            I could not agree more. I have had some experience with racists and the will they try to impose. It ain’t pretty, that’s for sure.

    • racerrodig says:

      To RZ Jr. Are you F ‘n NutZZ !!

      “I want to remind supporters that true power springs forth from truth, not from hatred.”

      I’ll take “hypocritical Lying Bastards” for $5,000.00 Alex.

    • ladystclaire says:

      This “MORON” isn’t even worthy to call himself quoting Dr. King! Dr. King also said, “JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.” this is exactly what the man who sired this fool and his brother did, when he told his good buddy Wolfinger and, some members of the SPD to make this go away. RZ senior and his posse tried to deny Trayvon his justice. each and everyone of them should be held accountable for their actions. those 44 days of not arresting that maggot was denying Trayvon his justice!

      • Jun says:

        Dr. King is spinning in his grave at Junior quoting him and corrupting his quotes and abusing their usage

        • jm says:

          I get the impression that Junior uses a lot of words trying to convince the less educated that he knows something but his words are gibberish. He reminds me of a politician who says a lot of meaningless things in order to get elected.

          I also get the impression Junior is running scared but is brazening it out as if his PR media tours are successful and that builds his ego.

          Since he was estranged from GZ previously I am wondering what his motivation is. I also wonder why he was estranged from GZ.

          The Zimmermans are the making Casey Anthony’s family look normal. 🙄

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            As far as how well RZ’s media blitz is doing, our petition is doing better even though we’ve had no media blitz. Meaning his petition shows his work is for naught. Even if their numbers catch up and pass our petition numbers as slowly as they are now doing, it takes away from any idea that his work means anything. Besides, I think their numbers are growing more because of “cheats” than they are by gaining supporters. But that’s just my opinion, based on years of seeing how conservatives work.

          • jm says:

            @Lonnie:

            You do have to consider that the petition for malicious prosecution was started on November 17 and yours was started on November 25. Given the week headstart the petition RZ Jr endorses with media attention and your petition is still ahead, we are looking very good. Given these results, RZ Jr could stay at home – unless of course he likes seeing his name in print and his face on TV. He is a fool with a huge ego and I think he is auditioning for a job in media/show business.

            So much for RZ’s influence on the “masses” who support his lying brother. The petition numbers should give the Zimmerman brothers a clue. 😆

        • racerrodig says:

          It’s as pathetic as when anyone in the Zidiot Nation says GZ is a “True American” or an “American Hero” or “Doing Community Service Selflessly” not to mention he has more Black friends than we can shake a stick at.

      • Jun says:

        LOL at him being a true american

        I more attribute him with being Hitler

        • racerrodig says:

          That’s what I’ve been saying for months. Thinking Z is anything but a murderer is like saying Hitler was just “misunderstood”

    • jm says:

      I absolutely cannot stand RZ, Jr. He talks so much yet says nothing. Like endorsing this stupid petition and gaining 150 signers after his media tour means he is an important person. He is a Loser. Look how Lonnie’s petition grow without the media exposure RZ, Jr. got. RZ, Jr makes me want GZ imprisoned even more than before.

  20. gblock says:

    I signed a little while ago. I am signer 290. Michael M. of San Francisco (is that Michael Moore?) is listed as signer 291. George Z. of Sanford, FL is listed as signer 289. WTF? Did he have it confused with the “Malicious Prosecution” petition?

    I’m sorry to report that the “Malicious Prosecution” petition has apparently had a surge of signers and is now up to 190.

    • Xena says:

      I’m sorry to report that the “Malicious Prosecution” petition has apparently had a surge of signers and is now up to 190.

      Well, Junior sent out a thank you letter after the petition collected 150 signatures. Personally, I’m not concerned about that petition because what it asks is a violation of constitutional separation of powers.

      • Jun says:

        The petition is stupid and the feds also investigated the murder of Trayvon and have not denied the state from indicting Cheorge because there is probable cause to investigate and arrest and indict him. Even if they succeeded with that petition, Obama would call the feds, the feds would say there is no malicious prosecution and still Cheorge will have to prove his case in court. I doubt they get 25,000 signatures and I also doubt the 190 is a true number. I am willing to bet that at least half the signatures are phonies.

  21. Xena says:

    289 signatures thus far. Maybe it will be 300 by the morning.

    Lonnie, see my comment upthread about contacting me.

    Malisha, you too.

    Go to http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/ and leave a comment so I will have your email address and can email you about coordinating a press release through a service.

  22. ed nelson says:

    [“petition asking President Obama to order a federal investigation of the shooting to determine whether George Zimmerman should be prosecuted for violating federal laws that prohibit hate crimes.”]
    Oh… Barry Barry so contrary! How do you do your thing?
    With Cock and Bull and lots a Ego… Ya know… if it ain’t got that swing, it ain’t Real!
    I didn’t hang with my spiritual leader Rev Wright! What you say?!!

    You want me to lift my little finger for rememberin’ some… little lamb?
    Got my politics goin’ on here Jackson!

    • Xena says:

      Amen! Here, here! Right On!

      When people die at home, an inquest is held. No person should be killed by another claiming self-defense without a complete investigation including forensics. Bill Lee and Wolfinger did not have lab reports when they decided not to charge Zimmerman. We see in this matter how important forensics are as they refute Zimmerman’s claims.

      Had I been prosecutor, I would have found probable cause based on GZ’s inconsistencies between his NEN call and re-enactment.

  23. Posted by SanfordWatch on YouTube:

  24. Jun says:

    I wonder how many of David’s petition are real signatures LMAO

  25. manberk says:

    I suggest we do one for Jr. and David P. Obstruction of justice using racists. Id sign again!

  26. Malisha says:

    OK I just had a little chuckle over here. I was imagining that the Outhouse got their 26,000 by December 17 and someone at the WH petitions office checks it out and sees the signature on signer #150, “Treyvon was a thug.”

    Yeah…think that’ll work? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! 😈

    • Patricia says:

      Malisha thanks for your last reply ,check out this web site
      wwwseminolewatch.com read all. I lived in sanford when dale was mayor he’s a crook , I would not be surprised if mo was working for him because when Lester stated George couldn’t go near sanford airport. George could have been loaded in one of those cargo planes. I hope Doj investigates fdle. That’s where files get buried

  27. Brown says:

    @Rachael repost repost if you like please 🙂

    • Rachael says:

      Roseanne Barr and Spike Lee too? LOL

      • Brown says:

        I’ve also posted on Lawrence O’Donnell…

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Find Barbara Walters, remember she turned GZ down for an interview.

          • Brown says:

            (Read in Scotty’s Voice) I’m giving it all she got’s Captain’ !

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Now we have this, found by Amsterdam on bcclist.com.
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755884/#46840305

            If it doesn’t embed, it’s also on my blog.

            In any event, it’s a view of the mailbox shed from the front of the clubhouse, which is solid and completely blocks the mail shed from view from anywhere along RVC to the front gate.

            The Mail shed is also set back behind the clubhouse, too far to the east of the clubhouse to be seen from TTL roadway as it exits the front gate. As if that weren’t enough, even the sight line that isn’t there, would be blocked by plants if it were.

            If GZ were on a trip to the store, and TM were in the shed, there would be no way for GZ to know it, and he should have gone straight out the front gate to the store.

            That means he left home on the hunt for someone who had to be reported to him. Now why would that person want his/her identity hidden if this were a real self defense case? Why would Zimmerman even bother to accommodate their secrecy, since they could be valuable in proving that GZ had innocent intentions early on?

            The answer is probably in who they were that’s key. Someone whose presence would be even more incriminating than helpful of GZ.

            But it’s obvious now that the store/shopping story is yet another lie!
            And we know now that someone else is involved.

          • Brown says:

            We need the phone records!!!!!

  28. The Zimmerman petition just reached 150 – Mama gladys signed…150 was someone calling Treyvon (their spelling) a thug.

    That family is sick…Rest assured…Trayvon’s petition is doing better without their head start and their media attention.

  29. Xena says:

    Need a little help from anyone with Twitter and/or Facebook to post the petition news to the following:

    http://www.michaelmoore.com

    Please ask that they make an honorable mention.

  30. Xena says:

    Need a little help from anyone with Twitter and/or Facebook to post the petition news to the following:

    http://www.michaelmoore.com
    http://www.tytnetwork.com (The Young Turks)

    Please ask that they make an honorable mention.

  31. katieunc says:

    gladys just signed gz’s petition. I wonder what took so long? They are desperate to get signatures. I haven’t seen Shellie’s name yet.

    • Brown says:

      word got to them that we have a “counter petition”

      • katieunc says:

        Yep … I see they have arrived by a post I just read.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          They finally made 150, we’re at 245, we just jumped 10 sigs on the last refresh. We’re pulling ahead really fast. Well, now that they’re listed too we’ll see what happens next. But it does look like we’re gaining momentum.

          • Xena says:

            Lonnie, can you do me a favor please? Go to my blog and post a comment. That way I’ll have your email address and can email you back. It’s http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com. I have access to a press release service and if we can work together to prepare a press release, I can have it posted where it will automatically go out to news services and blogs that have subscribed to it.

            We will need to discuss the categories and a good headline — stuff like that. Okay?

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Done! On the W.H. site I asked them to consider making the petition totals dynamically update and supply the embed code too. They should have already thought of it. It would certainly get more petition page followers. Anyone stopping by there should send the same message, the more the merrier as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

          • Xena says:

            @Lonnie. I was probably going to bed when you posted the comment so have a late start today. 🙂 Check your email.

  32. Rachael says:

    Just got home from school and checked petition, it was 228, read through stuff here, went back and checked, now 232.

  33. Xena says:

    Another gun nut in Florida shot and killed 17 yr old, claiming self-defense. At least he has been arrested.

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/rss/article/284196/3/Man-accused-of-killing-Jacksonville-teen-pleads-not-guilty

    • katieunc says:

      Another nut ….their music was probably too loud for his utopia. Crazy people!

      • Xena says:

        Another nut ….their music was probably too loud for his utopia. Crazy people!

        Teens like having fun. At the times when I’ve pulled up next to a car blasting its music (and even when I don’t like the music), I bop my head to the beat while looking over to the car. The young driver and/or his/her passengers, generally give me a smile. Then I laugh while placing my hands over my ears.

        Know they do 100 percent of time? They turn the music down.

        I then mouth “bless you” so they can read my lips — all the time smiling.

        They are not bad human beings — just young doing things they enjoy.

    • Jun says:

      The guy’s toast. There were 2 witnesses in the car, and other witnesses. It sounds as though they were inside the car when shot at. Yeah the officer is right, they was no reason for him to shoot at them and then take off.

      • racerrodig says:

        Exactly. He “felt” threatened by kids that were in a car with loud music. Toast…….burnt….like fried !

        He was not attacked and yet opened fire……I guess we’ll see some pathetic panhandling website for this maniacal loser to.

      • Xena says:

        UNREAL!!!!……Another case to follow:

        He executed them. He should have been like GZ and made up a story that they went for the gun justifying his second and third shots.

    • Xena…..What is wrong with people???? This is another case that we’ll have to keep tabs on. I posted a link for (OMG) yet another case of “self-defense” against a couple of teens who alledgedly broke into Byron David Smith’s house at noon on Thanksgiving day. ……………btw….. I finally figured out (I think) how to do a “copy and paste” and this was my first attempt 🙂
      ….stated by an old luddite! 😆

      • Xena says:

        @grey winter sky. Yaaay!!!! The cut and paste appears to work.

        Xena…..What is wrong with people????

        As my son’s girlfriend says, “They need Jesus.” There is such a disrespect for human life that I can’t understand it. It’s not shooting someone while committing a crime — just retaliation for not being subjected to. Anger. Having a gun. As a grown woman, I would feel awfully foolish arguing with a teenager or child.

    • gblock says:

      So loud music constitutes a reasonable threat? It sounds like this guy isn’t even trying to come up with a plausible story.

      • Xena says:

        So loud music constitutes a reasonable threat? It sounds like this guy isn’t even trying to come up with a plausible story.

        Amazing, isn’t it? There seems to be an attitude by certain folks that they have authority over anyone they choose, and when that (non) authority is challenged, they allege they become so afraid that they have to kill.

        IIRC, he has a warrant out from another county. Why does Florida allow people with criminal records to carry guns?

      • racerrodig says:

        Evidently thugs warn you of an attack with loud music.

  34. Xena says:

    Well, there are some folks who visit blackbutterfly7 who do not participate here, so I’ll try posting the petition on my blog by tonight.

    • katieunc says:

      I have sent a “contact us” e mail to a couple of media outlets in hopes they will make mention of Trayvon’s petition since Jr has acknowledged the petition for George publicly. It can’t hurt…right?

  35. Xena says:

    Question. If someone knows the President (but never asked for favors), can they still sign the petition?

  36. katieunc says:

    210 signatures and the trash house is still sitting on their 143

  37. Jun says:

    I do not know if it is true

    but there is a rumor going around that Shellie is divorcing Cheorge

    so I am guessing there may be a plea bargain in the works for her so her nursing degree may not be affected after all

    • katieunc says:

      Jun if she is smart she will do all of the above!

    • Xena says:

      What can ShelLIE lose? She’s married to a loser. A toxic loser. A lying loser who caused her to believe that she had to lie about her knowledge of their money. A toxic, lying loser whose brother makes that family look like a bunch of cry baby nitwits.

    • If she divorces Georgie, would she be able to testify against him with what she just might know?

    • Malisha says:

      Yeah, I wondered why the name “Shellie Z” did not appear in the Zim Perdition.

      Here’s my guess if she is divorcing him:

      1. While they thought they had everyone fooled and Cheorge was gonna walk AND have $200,000 to start his own business with, they were lovey dovey cutesy gag gag.

      2. When the realities began to set in, O’Mara couldn’t keep them from knowing what was going to inexorably come upon them.

      3. Cheorge, at that point, became very abusive.

      4. Shellie was doing her best to be goodie goodie supportive stand-by-your-man and all but his abusiveness took a peculiar turn: He was telling her that it was essentially all her fault. HER overexaggerated fears. He did it all for HER, to protect HER. He treated her with preciousness, remember?

      5. Shellie only married Cheorge because the deal was that she would be subservient and worshipful and in return he would tell her how wonderful she was, how she was essential to his continued ability to draw breath, she was the one and only, she was the queen of heaven. She was not IN IT for him to be tearing her down and assuring her that her low self-esteem was justified.

      6. He is so over controlling that finally, his being home all day and on her all the time and at her all the time and controlling her every move provided so many straws that the camel’s back did its predictable thing.

      IF in fact Shellie is breaking loose from the bonds of his love, and IF in fact she is leaving, this is just my educated guess about how it’s going down and why it’s going down. But both of them have a vested interest in the break-up not becoming too public too soon.

      Does anybody know who is representing Shellie in her case?

      • bgesq says:

        Malisha: SZ attorney : Kelly B. Sims (at least that’s who has been doing appearances on her behalf); also # 132 on GZ petition= S.D., Lake Mary (Shellie Zimmerman “nee” Dean?) not sure , but maybe- this is sort of an interesting referendum!

    • grahase says:

      Source please.

  38. katieunc says:

    200 signatures!

  39. gbrbsb says:

    200 and outhouse still not coming up in a search!

  40. katieunc says:

    I made sure Robert Zimmerman Jr. Got the memo on Trayvon’s petition. I am not much of a twitter person but I tweeted him…..lol….pretty sure I am blocked after my tweet but….he has been SERVED!

  41. Malisha says:

    Guess what, folks.
    I looked at the info. sent to me by the SPD.

    They told the Miami Herald there had been “eight burglaries, nine thefts and one other shooting” in RTL in the year before Trayvon Martin was killed…well…no.

    They sent a document to the Miami Herald that listed:

    REPORT TYPE …………… Number

    All other larceny – 2
    Burglary – 8
    Criminal mischief – 1
    Dealing in stolen property 1
    Information (?) 25
    Larceny bike 2
    Larceny motor vehicle 1 (it was recovered)
    Miscellaneous crime 1
    Missing persons 1

    Negligent manslaughter 1
    (THIS IS WHAT THEY CALLED
    THE TRAYVON MARTIN CASE
    ON MARCH 15, 2012)

    Registered felon 1
    Simple assault 3
    Traffic accident 2
    Uniform traffic citation 2
    for a total of ………………… 51 crime reports

    NOW, I asked for the reports. I see this:

    January 2011 Chris Olivieri’s home broken into, glass broken, items stolen of value, including computers

    March 2011 – Andrea Velez went to the bank with a friend and when she got home he came in and when he left she saw that $800 was missing from her purse; she called him; he admitted it, promised to pay back, did not.

    April 2011 – Matthew Duncan’s car window was broken and door was opened around 1 – 2 a.m.

    July 2011 – construction manager Chris Westhelle said a copper strip was stolen from an air conditioner installation

    August 2011 – Shantie Williams’ car was stolen; it was recovered but it had $100 damage when they recovered it

    August 2011 – Olivia Bertalan’s home was entered without permission; she was home and frightened, called 911; Emmanuel Burgess was arrested, pled guilty, has already been sentenced (no child reported, no rusty scissors reported, no participation or assistance from George Zimmerman reported in making arrest)

    August 2011 – homeless man named Brian Darnell Bookhard stole a play-station from Andrea Velez (victim in March crime report, see above) and tried to sell stolen property; arrested, identified in line-up, no participation or assistance by George Zimmerman noted

    September 2011 – construction manager Chris Westhelle reports stolen door and broken mirror

    November 2011 – Edward Kinney reported his bicycle stolen from porch ($80 Roadmaster)

    December 2011 – Juvenile arrested for theft of XBox; confessed; he had come into house through open window; this is arrest report, not crime report

    December 2011 – property manager for Fannie Mae reports damage to “residence in repo” in that somebody caused the toilet to run, flooding the area and damaging carpet in unoccupied home

    February 6, 2012 – Tatiana Deamicis’ house burglarized and two witnesses see suspect; witnesses are Arnold Jesse Arms III and Iain Jakkar Beard. Emmanuel Burgess’ cell phone confiscated because he was using it in attempt to sell stolen goods. Stolen laptop recovered.

    Feb. 7, 2012 – Emmanuel Burgess arrested.

    January 2012 – Iain Beard (witness in Feb. crime, see above) reports his silver bicycle stolen from “fenced area of clubhouse.” He suspects “Black male about 5’10” about 220 pounds who lives in RTL” — not because he saw him with the bicycle or saw him take it, because he saw a footprint in the sand that was like that man’s shoe print.

    NO SHOOTING.

    Calls for service? J Blake sent the Miami Herald a list of 402 of them. Among the calls for service were:

    Attempted suicide …. 1
    Battery ………………… 1
    Burglary ………………. 5
    Disturbance ………… 58 (remember the cop saying that neighborhood was mostly “loud music”?)

    Harrassing communications … 2
    Hit & Run …… 1 (no police report?)
    Missing persons …. 5 (only one became “report” — Trayvon)
    Open door/window …. 4
    Property damage …. 4
    Prowler … 2

    * * * * *
    SHOOTING WITH INJURIES – 2 (uh oh, no police report on the second one???????????????????????)
    ********

    Shots fired – 4 (only report being a call-in saying someone heard shots on 7/30/2011 and then saw a grey car and a person but does not know if the sound was associated with either the person or the car)

    Suspicious incident/person … 50 (we know who THAT was)

    Theft – 9 (only five, as it turns out)
    Threat … 2
    Trespass … 4

    So my guess is that the stuff sent to Miami Herald was not exactly what the police reports show. “Calls” about all these possible crimes? Maybe. Police reports? No.

    Especially peculiar that there is an indication of two calls about shootings with injuries. I can see that one was Trayvon Martin. The other was simply not true.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Wow, Malisha. You are great!
      By the way, I can’t tell you how many times I have clipped and pasted your work on Newsvine!

    • gbrbsb says:

      Formidable Malisha, just formidable!

    • Jun says:

      I have said time and time again the dangerous crime rate in that neighborhood was exaggerated by Zimmerman and the nuts

      • leander22 says:

        The more important question is how this info could be used to challenge the O’Mara strategy. Since this is obviously the backbone of the argument on the right and the basis for their collection of associative dirt. Like the Diwatman really sick misuse of Trayvon in the 711 shop, where he tries to show the guy in the shop observes Trayvon only since he does not take his hoodie down.

        If I may recount, very shortly a private story. I was once involved in a special program that had to do with shop burglaries. The most stunning story I still remember from the whole larger project was that a lady in a shop who overacted her pursuit of costumers suspected of shoplifting, she made costumers feel odd, when she was around, a lady in a bookshop had accumulated close to 700 books at home, which she never paid a penny for. These books also were among the most expensive, the type that has lots of pictures in it from the larger art field.

      • leander22 says:

        sorry, not that it matters much but the project obviously was about shoplifting and not burglaries.

        I did not by the way in any way want to suggest anything about the clerk in the shop that DiwataSick observes so closely and points out for the blind. It’s obviously his job to have an eye on everybody no matter what age or race. This is the video I i had in mind.

    • Brown says:

      Excellent work Malisha, thank you so much for the information. I knew that the baby and rusty scissors hiding in bedroom story was bogus.

      • leander22 says:

        Seemingly not, or at least we would need to further investigate. Oliva Bertalan may have mentioned it towards the officers on scene, but he/they did not put it his/their reports.

        In any case a child, something Zimmerman dearly wished to have himself, even more a baby, would have seriously aggravated Zsssimmerman’s paranoia factor. Compare the report of his ex-girlfriend and his Hannity interview. In his Hannity interview he talks about his still unborn children, he also contacted if I am not completely ill informed his former ex since his wife Shellie seemingly didn’t want a child yet.

        • Brown says:

          You wrote:
          Seemingly not, or at least we would need to further investigate. Oliva Bertalan may have mentioned it towards the officers on scene, but he/they did not put it his/their reports.

          If a child was there and had been mentioned after a initial report was done, the officers should have known that an addendum could be added. The presence of a child should of made it in a report and or if the victim had a weapon (rusty scissors to defend herself). I would like to her further from her, she is on the witness list.
          Either way it comes down to this, the SPD did a horrible report, or GZ embellished the story, and the rumor some how became fact. Considering this is what he does, it is not a far reach to believe, that he lied about a baby being there. Until I hear it out of Olivia Bertalan mouth, or a Spd document report, I will not believe the baby and rusty scissors story.

      • leander22 says:

        Brown, I have listed Olivia Bertalan as a pro-Zimmerman witnesses among the neighbors, nevertheless I thought Amy Green was one of the better articles about the larger context of the RTL context.

        Her article was written on March 28, and it sounds as if Green went to see Bertalan and interviewed her. Why should Bertalan invent a baby that did not even exist? I somehow doubt the Zimmerman supporters in the neighborhood or former neighbors like Bertalan would bent over backward to lie for him. Only if they have something to hide, Bertalan does not seem to have anything to hide, after all she moved out of the neighborhood.

        “Our next-door neighbor actually said if someone came into his yard he would shoot him.”

        I still wonder who that neighbor is, maybe she told Green?

        This wasn’t a critique of Malisha, I was simply adding a detail that is on my mind. In any case I consider it unlikely that Bertalan would invent a child to help Zsssimmerman.

        • Brown says:

          thanks for clearly that up. 😉

        • Brown says:

          @Leander
          I reread the article, and yes she says a hell of alot more then what was in the police report. I will concede that she may have a baby. But I still find it extremely odd that it was not in the police report. What was written in the report: She then ran upstairs and locked herself into a bedroom. What I don’t see is “She ran upstairs with her baby and locked herself in a bedroom”. But all in all it could of been wriiten by an incompetent LEO.
          Just goes to show ya what is said to a camara/reporter is different then talking to LEO.

          Kind of like witness 6 John, saying one thing to a reporter behind a partially opened door, but another when it comes to a LEO.
          🙂

      • leander22 says:

        Brown, strictly this is the first time in my life I seem to get slightly paranoid again, I know we are being watched by a mindset that seriously troubles me …. I won’t go into my own private memories and obsessions of e.g. the block leader mentality, that for the kid or teen more generally stood for an enforcement of the “righteous” citizen’s behavior, like don’t wear hoodies? Fact is, I felt threatened as much by these enforcers as, and it took me a long time to realize, they must have felt threatened by my non-conform behavior too. Basic demand: Be conform, be quiet, don’t ask questions. In our case, obey SPD’s decisions.

        But if I deal with Bertalan’s story, for a mother that feels threatened the first thought on her mind must be to be close to her baby, and it must have been a baby if she is 21. Somehow like, if you want to do something to my child you have to kill me first. Yes, strictly the child could be added for special effect, but I prefer not to go down that lane.

        I could imagine that for the SPD officers this detail simply did not matter. This was a burglary case, and not whatever violent felony, after all.

        Quite possibly the two teens rang the bell only to check if someone was home, maybe if someone reacted they would have invented some odd story. Thieves usually don’t want to deal with people present. She could have opened a window and said: What do you want, my husband is busy, or more extremely: do I need to get my gun it’s in the drawer behind me?

        But yes, it’s always much more easy to realize what you should have or could done post event.

    • Xena says:

      Malisha, you are precious. So, it does seem that Taaffe and his complaints about “Black renters” could be associated with a plan to violate the Federal Fair Housing Act.

      • leander22 says:

        Xena, unfortunately it’s not that easy. The two arrested, the boy’s friend, who strictly did not break in but entered via an open window and took the play station and later was arrested since he tried to sell it was a black boy, ditto was Burgess black, the man that was caught with the help of the roofers, also the two suspects observed also by Zssimmerman’s wife Shellie chasing away with their loot from her neighbor Olivia Bertalan’s home were two black boys, blue on black if I remember correctly.

        The problem is that all the other incidences that resulted in police reports have no face and no skin color.

        Fact is too, there seems to have been the assumption that if there had been four blacks the rest must be black too. And we still need to see the infos George sent out, why wasn’t it included in the discoveries?

      • leander22 says:

        Xena, I wondered what exactly you had in mind. HOA without doubt is an interesting story. I know the article and I like it, although in some cases, I probably would put the stress differently.

        Yes the RTL newsletters (1st discovery p. 162, cited) sounds as if the HOA had at least at that time developed a coercive trend, not just concerning the “police hiring story”. But I wouldn’t assume that Noah Caraker, since he is on a photo with the other with the other board members and with Leland Managemen’s Ken Taylor, above the police hiring column, or that he was, as Eric Gallagher writes, the one that first enforced the rules and then left the board. Maybe, maybe not, maybe he did not like the developments and that is why he left the board. Incidentally at the same time GZ’s neighborhood watch was founded. Coincidence? George it feels to me, would have loved to have even stricter rules. Why not forbid kids to play in the street? That rule was still missing.

        Obviously police must have been interested to be allowed to ticket speeders inside the community. I guess it’s easy to be faster than 15 miles per hour. Could it be that without the cooperation by the HOA board members police couldn’t have done so since RTL is a closed community? Were they indeed hired? That sounds a bit like public relation newsletter language. Did HOA pay Sanford police? Would HOA have liked to pay for them? Is US police for hire? Like any other business? You tell me. I only heard of officers doing that off duty, and in that case you would hire them directly and not hire police.

        A page before the newsletter reports about the neighborhood watch and gives a little context to the hiring column:

        Sergeant Herx and Officer Buchannon are both assigned to our neighborhood and announced increased patrol within our neighborhood. In addition to the extra marked patrols, Sanford PD has initiated random bike patrols of both the front and back yards of our community and random unmarked vehicle patrols with increased patrolling during peak crime hours. Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has pledged his support to our neigbhorhood and asked to attend the next Neighborhood Watch community meeting!

        There was clearly a close relation between police and the RTL HOA community. But we would need much more information. Did HOA have close police connections even before Zsssimmerman’s activities, or did his activities lead to closer relations. Would be interesting to know.

        • Xena says:

          Xena, I wondered what exactly you had in mind.

          In an interview, Taaffe said along the lines that the cops were always late. Hence, when I hear GZ say “These assholes. They always get away” I connect the two as having communicated. That in fact, Taaffe may have impressed that idea upon GZ.

          Retreat at Twin Lakes is not a large gated community. That in fact, it is small with only 3 streets. To hire cops to conduct patrols for traffic and HOA violations screams of harassment because, based on my personal experience of once living in a gated community, the HOA can cite residents for those things. Install speed bumps.

      • leander22 says:

        based on my personal experience of once living in a gated community, the HOA can cite residents for those things. Install speed bumps.

        First and foremost, I respect your experience, I have nothing to rely on but mine, a different perspective adds to my own obviously.

        But concerning the above, how much would it have cost to do so? Remember they did not even have sidewalks, which to me means one thing only, saving costs. While ironically Trayvon is blamed for walking off the road in grassy areas by GZ’s father.

        Now remember, all owners had bought before the housing crisis, which reminded me at the time that we Germans were offered shares to buy in US real estate. The returns were stunning, that I remembered vividly when the whole money making machine broke down.

        Would HOA have wanted to invest in spite of the fact they were already facing reality of the huge drop in prices for their homes? I don’t think that is a realistic assumption.

        I remember you found evidence that Taaffe struggled in this context too, and I appreciated your links.

        report of the event at Taaffe’s house, according to George’s call history documents:

        02/02/12 21:08.14… S2711 REM THE BM SUBJECT IN QUESTION WAS GOA
        02/02/12 21:07:37 … S2711 REM CLEARED THE RESIDENCE / ALL APPEARS 10-4 INSIDE / RESIDENCE WAS SECURED TO THE BEST THAT WE COULD
        02/02/12 21:07:05 … S2711 REM S88 FRONT DOOR TO 1460 RETREAT VIEW / MADE CONTACT WITH HOME OWNER VIA PHONE

        S2711 is Timothy Smith, I am assuming GZ was still present when the officers Mead and Smith arrived. Mead confirmed he knew GZ, Smith the first officer on scene on the night of Trayvon’s dead never did as far as I know. Since Smith caused the entry they contacted “the owner”, could they have access to his number without GZ’s help? Is this a sign he was still present?

        GZ say “These assholes. They always get away”

        Well in Taaffe’s case, he seems to believe GZ prevented a burglary at his home. And in this case “the suspect” was “GOA”, in other words, gone on arrival. Thus he, from Taaffe’s perspective indeed got away.

        I am hesitant about GZ attempts to connect this event with Burgess (02/02/2012) at least so far. The SPD specialist on “the goons” wasn’t asked about Serino’s black, on black, black thesis, but Burgess was black, on black, black, while GZ’s suspect at least did not wear black trousers. I find it hard to believe consider the extend to which GZ mentioned that event Serino did not look at the history, although, Malisha will correct me, it may not have left a report trace, since really nothing happened.

        In any case GZ may well have been involved in the publication of Leland Management RTL twitter news, and Taafee may have read that.

        Retreat @ Twin Lakes Retreat @ Twin Lakes ‏@RTL_News

        Our Neighborhood Watch leads to four arrests in burglaries in the RTL. Great job!

        I was enormously disappointed by the interrogation of Leland Management’s Ken Taylor. Angry in fact, thus I decided to contact David Morgenstern, or more precisely simply SPD’s person in charge of media, asking if he could tell me who initiated this news entry on twitter. Obviously I never received an answer to that maybe slightly naive question. Morgenstern only admitted all he had assumed so far. You have to keep in mind, that when Burgess was arrested, he was one of four, three had to be released. Even if NW at that point claimed to have been involved in the arrest of every perpetrator arrested at that point in time, which clearly they weren’t, the correct number would have been three not four.

        Thus my question is still unanswered, who caused that entry?

    • bgesq says:

      Malisha- two things- 1)do you think there is cross referencing so that the same incident ay be counted more than once? 2) do you think we can do a FOIA request from SPD & RATL HOA for complaints that were made about GZ?That might be very telling as to prior knowledge of SPD, GZ’s propensity, etc. BTW, Great that you got this nfo- thank you!

      • Malisha says:

        bgesq, I did the FOIA for the complaints about GZ; they claim there were none. My guess is that the complaints did not become either “calls” or “reports” because Chief Lee quashed them or, as we say, did not let them gestate to full term.

      • Malisha says:

        I’m going to analyze the stuff in depth. For now, starting to figure out the “crime codes” and then I’ll work at it and draw up a chart.

        I do know absolutely that the info. SPD gave the Miami Herald on 3/15/2012 was false and misleading. Have not yet heard back from the journalist down there. Let’s see…

      • leander22 says:

        Malisha, journalists work under time pressure, that’s their main weakness PR seeks to exploit by offering them ready made material for use.

        Concerning the complaint, would you and me complain? Would we inform police about it when we feel harassed? Hardly, and that is the information gap the Zimmerman camp can exploit.

        Basically we have only Brandy Green, who said a neighbor told her she received the information from George in the interview with FDLE, if I remember correctly, discovery two. She said she would pass the information on. But can we be sure that one day later this neighbor such-and-such didn’t tell Brandy Green the next day; sorry, I deleted all these mails.

        The core problem the left on this issue is that they may not be the ones that report their problems to police like “democrat” Zssimmerman does, which means they remain untraceable. Would any of the people present here report troubles with a former person he shared a flat with, or kids playing in the streets, or someone trying to get money from him since he felt he hired him?

      • leander22 says:

        Sorry, Malisha, I thought the story about the person led out of the meeting after Trayvon’s dead was already on your mind.

        Was Wendy what’s her name Derival? present at that date? Was there ever a list of people present?

    • Patricia says:

      Malisha hi to all would like to join this blog have been following this since the beginning like the new Mary on the previous one .
      I faithfully follow llmpapa he rocks so does the professor ,all of you for trayvon and his family. Signed the petition # 230. Also Tracy martins original petition. I lived in sanford for almost 20 years. Quite familiar with the politics.

      I have been trying to find out about another shooting with no avail
      Also, zimmermans don’t have a good rep in sanford lake Mary or neighboring towns. Taffee is Sanford’s dog shit pile too around the bars.

      • Malisha says:

        This is good to know, Patricia.

        I’ll let you know the results of my analysis of the crime reports asap. For now, I’m going with, “the ‘high crime neighborhood’ reports are ridiculous” as a general headline.

        BTW on Sept 17, 2011 Cheorge was reported to the police for walking around knocking on doors claiming he was Neighborhood Watch “but he did not have i.d.”

        HA HA HA He was scaring the neighbors!

        • Xena says:

          BTW on Sept 17, 2011 Cheorge was reported to the police for walking around knocking on doors claiming he was Neighborhood Watch “but he did not have i.d.”

          The HOA President gave a statement to investigators to that effect. GZ has a problem thinking he has authority. He makes independent decisions that ultimately reach into the realms of impersonating officials.

          I wish that investigators had gone to Target to interview their employees on whether they recognize GZ. Since he claimed grocery shopping there every Sunday evening, some Target employees might have been familiar with him. He probably told them how to stock merchandise, display, stand, speak, bag, walk.

      • leander22 says:

        Meaning, he was reported even to police after all. 😉

      • Mary Davis says:

        Hi Patricia, I feel just like you do. I just love Llmpapa. I was so glad to see him and his son on one of his videos, as I always wondered what he looked like. What I really don’t understand is how some people can still be so mean and hateful in this day and age. I say I am old school because I am 62 years old, and my mother is 98, and still have her sound mind, except for a little memory loss. You would not believe the true stories my mother has experienced and told me over the years. We lived and grew up in the South, the country part of Texas. I have also experienced a lot of hate and prejudice. As a child, whenever the police would come to our house, we could see them coming afar off. My mother would make us hide under the pouch until the white policemen leave. You would think that some people would change by now. But not so. BTW I can, like so many others, identify with Treyvon’s mother. I have a son, if that had happend to my son, I think I would probable lose my mind.

    • Xena says:

      I wonder if the attempted suicide was GZ and ShelLIE’s reason for telling Osterman that George shot “somebody else”? Also, could that be a reason why MOM didn’t want GZ’s medical records released and why Judge Nelson redacted the mental health portions. Hmmm. Do they give a date for the attempted suicide? Would ShelLIE have tried knocking the gun away from his head, resulting in the bullet grazing his scalp?

      • Malisha says:

        I don’t think the “attempted suicide” was related to GZ or SZ; it was a “call” and did not result in a “report.”

        • Xena says:

          I don’t think the “attempted suicide” was related to GZ or SZ; it was a “call” and did not result in a “report.”

          Depending on Florida’s mental health laws, it would not result in a written report. Parties have the right to privacy and it also involves HIPPA law. LE’s position on calls of attempted suicide is to take the person to a mental health facility for evaluation or an ER if there is injury or reports of overdosing.

      • leander22 says:

        Xena, I wonder what you rely on concerning the suicide reports. The reported suicide as far as memory serves me well can only come from his ex-girlfriend, not sure but I think that would discovery two, where she calls him a very un-confrontational person against “others”, only confrontational against her. After all she looked for legal support at one time. She also tells that her suspicion was that it was caused by whatever legal pills he swallowed at the time. I better don’t write down here what I stored in my mind in this context. To be quite honest, it feels to me American’s sometimes overreact on side effects, on the other hand we have it much harder in this context. I mean II don’t honestly remember what the drugs were for, and I better don’t write what I remember, after all I may get it wrong. Bloody foreigner, you never know. 😉

        • Xena says:

          Xena, I wonder what you rely on concerning the suicide reports.

          Osterman said that on the evening of 2/26/12 when ShelLIE called him, she stated that George had shot “someone else.”

      • leander22 says:

        Ohhh, Xena, sorry, now, I realize what you meant. You think George may have attempted suicide? And ended up in Malisha’s police reports?

        I somehow doubt. As his ex says,he seems to be more manipulative than suicidal. Although what would happen when he has troubles with Shellie? Does he have to work of steam off somewhere else, e.g. by trying to catch somebody maybe?

        …said that the only negative thing she could think of with respect to Zimmerman was that he had a bad temper during their relationship. … always thought it could have something to do with the side effects of Accutane, a drug Zimmerman was taking for acne treatment that she learned could effect one’s personality. The worst behavior he exhibited was when he talked about killing himself. … Explained that following some of their more intense argument he would get depressed and talk about driving his car into a lake or taking a bunch of pills. … Believed that behavior was designed to get her attention or to garner her sympathy.

        Second discovery, interview ex with ex girlfriend, page 140f, quote 144,

        Sorry for babbling. No, George will not kill himself, the first thing he did was another gun to defend himself. Would he need that if he was suicidal?

        • Xena says:

          Sorry for babbling. No, George will not kill himself, the first thing he did was another gun to defend himself. Would he need that if he was suicidal?

          GZ’s threats of suicide before he married ShelLIE might have been for attention, or crying out for help. At any rate, when people threaten suicide it’s not unusual for those around them to call the cops. I do believe GZ is the type of person who would graze his head while giving up the gun to ShelLIE if only to make her look ineffective.

    • nemerinys says:

      Good work, Malisha! I’m glad to see the same nine burglary incidents between January 2011 and early February 2012 that I counted from the burglary reports; the Sheriff’s Office provided a list that stated there were only 7. Discovery only included burglaries, not simply criminal mischief or theft.

      I know that Velez did pick out Brian Bookhard from a line-up photograph, but it turned out that he was arrested within minutes of her having left her home (page 276 of 2nd Discovery). Did they make a mistake thinking that, and arrest him?

      • Malisha says:

        I’ll check into that. There was a bit of confusion. Brian knew her kid and had asked to stay overnight there the night before the report about the missing game.

      • leander22 says:

        They picked him out so fast, since he was the main suspect of the mother who reported the theft. He was a homeless person and her son whose game station was stolen knew him good enough for unlucky Bookhard to come to her home to ask if he could sleep there. He must have been easy to find.

        But thanks for the info, I didn’t store it was in the second discovery, maybe I passed that since the burglaries were my initial focus.

    • Tzar says:

      you are pretty darn awesome

    • leander22 says:

      not that it matters much Malisha, but the two incidences are related. Bookhard is a homeless person, the son, whose game station was stolen, knew. He seems to have come to the house and asked if you could spend the night there. He was the mothers main suspect. But it turned out that another friend of the boy Jabar Shelley, was the real thief.

      August 2011 – homeless man named Brian Darnell Bookhard stole a play-station from Andrea Velez (victim in March crime report, see above) and tried to sell stolen property; arrested, identified in line-up, no participation or assistance by George Zimmerman noted.

      December 2011 – Juvenile arrested for theft of XBox; confessed; he had come into house through open window; this is arrest report, not crime report
      .

      They don’t seem to give us the case numbers, so we cannot connect related cases easily.

      Interesting in this context is the hectic pulling of case numbers, and Ayala’s urgent search for a finger scan. That’s seems to be the reason why the body of Trayvon had to remain on the scene for close to two hours. After supposedly aid by air was unavailable due to weather (see Fire & Rescue files: 19:26:26, thus he is pronounced dead at 19:30). Notice also, Ayala corrects one “wrongly pulled” case number:

      7th supplementary discovery page 12:

      02/26/2012 4034 A49160 S1312 REM CASE #1138 PULLED BY ERROR ITS BEEN CANX

      02/26/2012 23:18 rayala ACN 201250001138

      I guess that is why this case number does not show anymore on page 6 bottom listed as: PREVIOUS HISTORY, with event numbers going back quite a bit in time.

      ***************************************
      Much less important I so far considered it rather futile to report my bicycles stolen. Maybe next time I will, since now I had it insured. So far I considered that a futile exercise. 😉

      • leander22 says:

        I have no idea what I had in mind here, or where this sentence was supposed to lead:

        and asked if you could spend the night there.

        I tried to merge two paragraphs, it was even longer before.

      • leander22 says:

        now I missed to add the “h” for Brookhard, the homeless.

        But notice there is something additionally interesting about the case, since the mother reports also a window broken. But seemingly Shellye entered simply via an open window. 😉 One always has to keep insurance policies in mind. 🙂

      • Malisha says:

        Anybody who hasn’t had a bike stolen is not a bike rider.

    • leander22 says:

      Malisha, are no reported suspects listed separately under the 402 calls?

    • leander22 says:

      So my guess is that the stuff sent to Miami Herald was not exactly what the police reports show.

      My guess is, Malisha, that Robles did not receive the information you received, but strictly was only informed about the numbers as any other journalist. Or a part of what you received now as a short summary for the benefit of journalists whose time is always restricted by threating deadlines. Inside the SPD to not specify the numbers they gave out would be quite in tune with the activities on 02/26/2012, with the obvious urgent desire to get Trayvon’s fingerprints before he could be passed on? Was the weather really so bad air rescue would have been impossible? That’s my top question at the moment.

      Fact is, Jeralyn Merrit links in an article the Reuters “profile of Zimmerman” from 25, of April, which contains the story about Big BOI, the pitbull, with the burglary reports saved by the Wagist crowd of the same date April 6, 2012.

      That means Sanford police pulled this information shortly before the arrest of Zimmerman. And for the obvious reason these files were saved by the pro-Zimmerman camp.

      The archive.org page contains no stored information about them unfortunately before May. Sad, very sad. But I think they can pull content.

      • leander22 says:

        The archive.org page contains no stored information about them unfortunately before May. Sad, very sad. But I think they can pull content.

        them = Sanford police department

      • Malisha says:

        THere was a 2-page list sent to Miami Herald on 3/15/2012. It listed the number of reported crimes and the number of “calls” — two separate lists. Robles obviously got her incorrect statistics from THAT LIST which was labeled as being FOR the Miami Herald. No verbal info — written. No mistake on where it came from — it came from the SPD and it was WRONG.

      • leander22 says:

        THere was a 2-page list sent to Miami Herald on 3/15/2012.

        Good to know, I would love to see that, or get a short summary.

  42. gbrbsb says:

    191 and the outhouse petition still doesn´t come up if you make a search for Zimmerman so they still ain´t got to 150!

  43. LLMPapa says:

    Thank You, Professor. THE FIRE STILL BURNS!

    • Brown says:

      I posted this particular video and Heart of a Blogger with the link for petition on different facebook pages.
      🙂

    • Malisha says:

      Just plain fabulous, LLMPapa, thank you!!

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        OUTSTANDING, LLMPapa!!!
        Hey, we have to get our kids to post this to their Facebook pages—they are the ones with huge networks of friends.

    • Rachael says:

      YES!!!

    • Tzar says:

      you tel em llmpapa
      and it won’t stop until that child killer is rotting in jail

    • leander22 says:

      It’s unbearable to see Trayvon in the 711 shop… I will not ever be able to understand the ulterior motives behind the treatment of the video by Diwataman et al.

      By the way LLMPapa, I realized by now that I in fact did not pay much attention on the specifics in Serinos timeline of events, versus the timestamped call videos by Treeslaw on youtube and the time logs of the 7th supplemental discovery.

      Yes, you are correct, his timeline can have one reason only, it tries to make the time time gap disappear.

      So you are one of us elders two and “Papa” has a really important meaning?

      I signed too, maybe I will be kicked out, since I am not really in 50674 Somner, WA, but in 50674, Cologne, Germany.

      • looneydoone says:

        leander,
        I’m not in the USA, and unable to register on the WH petition site
        What’s the trick ? My zip code must be what’s blocking registration approval

      • leander22 says:

        looney, I usually back off when registering seems to be restricted to US citizen, meaning you have to choose a state. This database doesn’t even have an option for US citizen oversees. You will see if you register that already on the first page a zip code is demanded. I simply filled in mine which is 50674, and it worked in spite of the fact that I had no idea how and why. Only once I entered I saw it seems to fit the zip code of Somner, WA. I have to keep that in mind.

      • looneydoone says:

        leander and Lonnie,
        Thanks for the tips, but am still not receiving the confirmation e-mail/link that activates my registration. ;-(
        Will keep trying,
        thx again,
        Doone

    • racerrodig says:

      You are unbelievable !! Thanks !!

      The video with The Duke voice over is impossible for the Zidiot Nation to top. Your video here “The Fire” is impossible to top because of the cause & the message.

      The Zidiot’s are literally using vilify the victim as a rallying cry. I have yet to see a march on his behalf and I know of several on Trayvon’s behalf. When it comes to stooping to gutter levels to win, you have no case.

  44. ….186……… 😉

  45. Brown says:

    Posted on the Miami Heat facebook

  46. katieunc says:

    Following

  47. colin black says:

    thats ten more than 20 mins ago………..

  48. Brown says:

    Petition @ 170!!!!

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