Zimmerman: Chris Serino Retains Jose Baez for Deposition

Frances Robles of the Miami Herald reported yesterday that SPD Investigator Chris Serino has retained attorney Jose Baez to represent him at his upcoming deposition by the defense in the George Zimmerman case.

He has a right to be represented by counsel and, under the circumstances, I believe he did the right thing.

Let us take a look at the circumstances to appreciate his predicament.

Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, announced in his recent motion for a prophylactic sequestration of witnesses that he intends to question SPD officials supervising Serino’s investigation of the Martin homicide regarding why they decided to recommend against charging Zimmerman with a crime.

We know that during the first night of the investigation Serino “corrected” several witnesses who told police that the boy (i.e., Trayvon Martin) uttered the terrified shriek that abruptly ended with a gunshot to his heart. He told them that the police had determined that the shooter uttered the shriek.

We also know that Zimmerman’s vehicle, which Zimmerman claimed to have parked on Twin Trees Lane close to the sidewalk cut-through to Retreat View Circle, was not checked for evidence and Zimmerman was permitted to clean-up in the lavatory while unsupervised at the station house prior to being questioned by Investigator Doris Singleton. In addition, no one asked him for permission to take a blood or urine sample for subsequent testing for the presence of alcohol or drugs.

Someone in a position of authority in the department that first night, presumably Serino, before police had identified the shooting victim as Trayvon Martin, decided not to arrest Zimmerman for investigation of homicide even though the unidentified victim was “armed” only with a can of iced tea and Skittles. Zimmerman had the gun and police knew from Zimmerman’s recorded NEN call that, despite being told not to follow the victim by the dispatcher, he must have followed and attempted to prevent the victim from getting away mere minutes before the police arrived to investigate his call. They also knew that despite his claim of self-defense, his injuries were minor and not life-threatening.

Based on the information available to the police that first night, coupled with Serino’s apparent effort to influence witnesses to change their statements to support Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense, the decision not to arrest Zimmerman was and remains extremely controversial, not only with the public, but within the department, as a group of Black police officers subsequently protested the decision.

The police only needed probable cause to arrest Zimmerman for investigation of homicide. Probable cause means reasonable grounds to believe that a crime was committed. It is an objective test based on the totality of the circumstances; namely, whether a reasonable person or police officer was aware of sufficient facts and circumstances that first night to conclude that it was more probable than not that Zimmerman did not kill Martin in self-defense. Probable cause is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt or even proof by a preponderance of the evidence. It is a mere threshold requirement to justify detaining a suspect for further investigation.

I believe they had probable cause to arrest that first night and I suspect they did not arrest Zimmerman because they assumed the unidentified victim was a Black gangsta on the prowl looking for a house to burglarize. Never mind that this Black gangsta was unarmed carrying only iced tea and Skittles. Never mind that this was a Sunday night between 7 and 7:30 pm when most people are at home. Never mind that it was raining hard intermittently. Never mind that on this Sunday night the NBA All Star game was going to be on TV and most people would be at home watching it or gathering together with friends to watch it. Never mind that the police knew Zimmerman did not have a reasonable suspicion to believe that the victim was committing, had committed or was about to commit a crime, based on the information that Zimmerman provided to the dispatcher in the NEN call. And for God’s sake, never mind that the dispatcher warned Zimmerman not to follow the victim.

The decision not to arrest Zimmerman, despite the information available to the police that night, appears to have been race-based. That is, the police would have arrested a Caucasian suspect unknown to them, if the victim had been Caucasian. Without any evidence, they appear to have decided that, despite the absence of a reasonable suspicion to believe the victim was “up to no good,” as Zimmerman described it, and despite his decision to ignore the dispatcher’s warning not to follow the unarmed victim — who had run away from Zimmerman — the victim suddenly decided for no apparent reason to attack Zimmerman and attempt to kill him with his bare hands.

Who in their right mind would do such a preposterous thing? They decided that a Black gangsta would do such a preposterous thing. Yet, when they found out the next morning that the victim was not a Black gangsta, but a middle class junior in high school with good grades, loving parents and no criminal record staying in a residence in the neighborhood, they refused to change their minds.

Could that decision have anything to do with efforts by George Zimmerman’s father, a former judicial magistrate in Virginia with connections to Seminole County State’s Attorney Norm Wolfinger, the State’s Attorney in Seminole County and Mark Osterman, Zimmerman’s best friend and former Seminole County Sheriff’s Deputy and close friend of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee who was Serino’s boss?

There is a strong smell of corruption associated with the investigation of this case and the decisions not to arrest and not to charge Zimmerman with a crime. Norm Wolfinger retired, Chief Bill Lee was Fired, and Governor Scott appointed State’s Attorney Angela Corey to take over the case in response to national protests against the decision not to charge Zimmerman. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement took over the investigation from the Sanford Police Department and in short order Corey charged Zimmerman by information with second degree murder.

Serino, meanwhile, saved his job by recommending at the last minute that Wolfinger charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

That smell of corruption suggests a possible civil rights violation that the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, the United States Attorneys Office for the Central District of Florida and the FBI should be investigating.

Chris Serino has a lot to worry about these days and so do former Chief Bill Lee, former State’s Attorney Norm Wolfinger and other members of the Sanford Police Department who supervised Serino and decided not to charge Zimmerman.

Meanwhile, Mark O’Mara has announced his intention to depose the people in the department who decided against charging Zimmerman because he wants to publicize their reasons to influence potential jurors in Seminole County and he wants to call them as witnesses at Zimmerman’s trial.

Never mind that their opinions are irrelevant and inadmissible at trial and probably based on racist assumptions and improper influence.

Yes, indeed. Serino is caught between a rock and a hard place and he definitely made the right decision to retain counsel. Therefore, do not be surprised, if he declines to answer questions at the deposition on the ground that his answers might tend to incriminate him.

270 Responses to Zimmerman: Chris Serino Retains Jose Baez for Deposition

  1. Erica says:

    I haven’t really heard anybody say that if Mark Osterman was at the scene and knew all the officers and can be seen freely walking through the station, that he could have had a major influence on the way things happenned that night? If the SPD had to have secret meeting for over a week, that seems to be enough to prove some type of probable cause and Did anyone notice in the M&T Bank videos, it looks like GZ vehicle that passes I wanna say around 6:48 or so?

  2. grahase says:

    Please note the similarities between Dooley and Zimmerman:

    • grahase says:

      While Trevor Dooley awaits sentencing on January 10, 2013, here are some interesting observations:
       – The jury’s decision to convict was UNANIMOUS. – Trayvon Martin was ‘put on trial’; the white victim, David James, was not. – Dooley’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ motion was quickly denied. – No delay in the arrest of Trevor Dooley. – No DA intervention for Trevor Dooley. – Dooley was also convicted of ‘Improper Exhibition of a Firearm’ and of ‘Openly Carrying a Firearm.

      SanfordWatch 4 hours ago

    • Jun says:

      Yea I read about this

      Dooley tried to lie about everything like Cheorge and got convicted

      The court found that David James was justified in his force used on Dooley because Dooley was trying to use his weapon in a public park

    • Xena says:

      Looks like Zimmerman’s goose is cooked. There were witnesses who testified that they saw James take down Dooley. Based on James’ daughter’s testimony, James was a bully and aggravated matters. Dooley’s sentencing is in January. He faces up to 30 yrs — and he is 71.

      What I read that has some importance is how the jury saw it. They saw it from the beginning, and not from the point of the physical struggle.

      http://www.theledger.com/article/20121120/NEWS/121129962?p=2&tc=pg

  3. grahase says:

    Truth be told – Zimmerman is actually a Prussian name – German, meaning carpenter or room builder.

  4. Rachael says:

    As a Jew, I agree with both of the above (grahase and Malisha)

  5. Malisha says:

    Oh well Jun, all that logic is very cute but the real reason Cheorge is not a Jew is that he is a non-Jew. We Jews like it that way!
    😀

    • Jun says:

      LOL I was trying to do stand up like Adam Sandler because he says Jews are good lawyers in one of his acts LOL

    • Patricia says:

      Jun and Malisha –

      Cheorge is not a Jew because his momma is not a Jew – so he can’t even try to get into the club. It wouldn’t help him, either, that he was an altar boy as a kid – so devout, so his family says.

      Except that cousin …

  6. Jun says:

    You know how people said Zimmerman was a jewish name?

    You know how Jews are known for being good at law and legal issues?

    Seeing how Zimmerman KKKlan acts, they are not Jews because they suck at representing themselves legally

    • grahase says:

      Thats racist – Jewish stereotyping. Tsk, tsk.

      • Jun says:

        Its not racist if its a positive stereotype that Jews are good lawyers LOL

        Kind of like Asians are great academically

        and okay… I am now stealing Russell Peters’ material LOL

      • grahase says:

        Jun – I dont think you are understanding racism. All Asians are not great academically, and all Scots aren’t cheap, etc., etc. I am sure there a not-so-good Jewish lawyers – Stereotyping is stereotyping – good, bad, or indifferent.

      • Jun says:

        I was trying to be funny

        I dont actually believe it

        Its part of Adam Sandler’s stand up where he says that Jews are good lawyers, so I tried to tie Zimmerman into my own act

      • Rachael says:

        Here is the thing. Stereotyping is stereotyping, regardless if positive or negative. Racism is different and separate from stereotyping, although stereotyping is a component of racism. So yes Jun, they are stereotypes and racism is racism, regardless of whether it is based on bad or good stereotypes, but there is a difference between stereotyping and racism.

      • Rachael says:

        1.Racism is based on religion, ethnicity and nationality of a person or group. Stereotyping is based on an idea that is believed by a set of people for another group or a person, regardless of their origin.

        2.Racism is illegal, stereotypes are not punishable, even if it has serious consequences.

        This goes into it deeper:

        Racism vs. Stereotyping

        http://vspages.com/racism-vs-stereotyping-7265/

      • Jun says:

        That makes sense. Not trying to be offensive, just trying to be funny using partially material from Adam Sandler. If you are offended, my bad, I was not trying to.

  7. Malisha says:

    It’s my guess that the state doesn’t want to hurt the SPD.
    The state doesn’t mind hurting Cheorge.
    So there will be a cute little dance on the tightrope.
    Wolfinger went, silently. Billy Lee tried to stay but couldn’t.
    There’s more house to be cleaned. THEY * DO * NOT * LIKE * IT.

  8. colin black says:

    So much has been made of gz last min switch in plan re meeting the responding office….Can you have him call me?..Do you need my number ..You got it…An how obvious it was gz didnt want to be stationary at a set location..He wanted to carry on searching..Also mentioned the Smith was initial responding LE ..Whom allegedlly knows gz..Also stated Officer Smith responded to front of buildings at first .Before running round to the dog walk at the back parallell with the homes back porches an encountered the scene.However Ive never read or heard report if Smith did indeed phone gz as afreed with dispatcher.Youd think so as at first he couldnt locate .An also because he personaly knrw gz..You would think he would call an ask where you at?Whats gone down?

    • Rachael says:

      See, to me that is just further evidence that GZ was not merely observing and reporting, because if he was, he would stay there, talk with the officer when they got there and the officer would look for “the suspect.” ugggghhhh. Anyway, the fact that he would not stay in one place so he could talk with the officer on arrival was specifically because he wanted to continue to look (pursue) some more. It makes it very clear to me he was going to continue “walking in the same direction.”

      • Patricia says:

        What we’re looking for is this: did the arriving officer contact Zimmerman by phone as NEN Sean confirmed they would do?

        What was the time the call was placed? What was the time the call ended?

        And who was it that called?

        Does Zimmerman’s cellphone vibrate instead of a ringtone?

        Did Zimmerman answer – and when?

        • Xena says:

          Does Zimmerman’s cellphone vibrate instead of a ringtone?

          Patricia, we’re on the same page here, because if the arriving officer indeed called GZ, that is how he knew he was out of time and had to kill Trayvon so he wouldn’t be caught standing there with his gun in his hand. The State would have those phone records.

          • Patricia says:

            Xena, if Zimmerman got the call before he shot Trayvon, it proves that for Zimmerman, “help is on the way – right here, right now!” so there could be NO fear for Zimmerman’s life – the cops would be on them instantly.

            And it would prove Zimmerman DID shoot Trayvon SIMPLY TO ELIMINATE HIM.

            He was killing off the witness to prevent him from testifying against Zimmerman for his assault. Same reason Zimmerman frisked Trayvon’s dying body – to be CERTAIN Trayvon was dead. Zimmerman even said he wasn’t “sure” and he wanted to be “sure.”

            Geez, if there was any thought that Trayvon could be alive, Zimmerman was required to call for an ambulance, once Trayvon was no “threat.”

            Complete and callous disregard for this juvenile’s life – qualifies Zimmerman for AT LEAST Murder II

      • FactsFirst says:

        Thank God you all can say what I’ve been thinking but couldn’t articulate…. And thank GOD nobody “here” has thrown that up in my face…. IDGAF how smart you are, WE ALL GOTTA SIT DOWN TO TAKE A SHIT!… You are appreciated…

      • Trina Cosbie says:

        Zimmy went from looking for an address to he was looking to meet a PO that he had previously called…..what???…I also was looking at the blood pattern pics from another thread that were compared to an identical looking pattern & the hair on my head stood up!! I studied this for like 30 mins in complete disbelief. That is not coincidental that a completely different person’s photo’d blood pattern looks exactly like Zimmy’s & to boot the two different patterns from the cuts were switched around & they still were completely identical. I always suspected the SPD was a part of the FDLE’s & DOJ’s investigation & it makes me smile wide having confirmed this. Thank u Malisha!!

      • grahase says:

        When that photo was published and someone posted a photo with the identical blood pattern, I researched the photo of the guy on the motorcycle and that photo is attributed to no one that I could find. I think it too was photoshopped. Check out the 2 guys in the photo – totally fake:

      • Rachael says:

        Patricia, “Geez, if there was any thought that Trayvon could be alive, Zimmerman was required to call for an ambulance, once Trayvon was no “threat.””

        Instead, when someone asked if they should call 911, GZ said no, he already had.

        You are right – a reasonable person would have been screaming all right – they would be screaming for someone to call 911 or send an ambulance, not telling someone not to call.

  9. colin black says:

    I M O The fact Serinno has lawered up heading into a depo with the defence can only bode ill for gz an M O M………..An to me thats heart warming after all.Here is a LE officer that the defence is calling as one of there wittnesses ,Acting hostile towards them straight of the bat.

    • racerrodig says:

      That’s exactly as I see it. He is telling Moron O’ Mara in no uncertain terms that my gun is bigger than you.

    • leander22 says:

      strictly I prefer to see it that way too. Although I am also trying to understand if Malisha’s earlier and the Professor’s still existing basic suspect of Serino may be justified.

  10. thejbmission says:

    Professor,
    Perfectly stated! You covered it all.

    Serino, meanwhile, saved his job by recommending at the last minute that Wolfinger charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

    Justice for Trayvon and if a few heads have to roll so be it!
    The fun has just begun! I love it!! 😀

  11. katieunc says:

    Following

  12. Zhickel says:

    I found this site in my travels:
    http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewforum.php?f=320&sid=c137c5f1f7ef5ab3267f8a7f2e6f3f17

    It’s a forum for Sanford LEOs. There’s nothing much new there; in fact there are not many posts at all and most of the Martin/Zimmerman discussion is old. It’s up to you to decide who is a genuine LEO and who is not.

    You can read all the posts in a very short time. Look out for the nick, “Miami area LEO”. He has some interesting points to make.

    • Xena says:

      One person names the three officers who purportedly pressured Serino; Sgt. Arthur Barnes, Trekell Perkins and Rebecca Villalona. Serino was not under their authority, so the story about being pressured appears to have been intended for the FBI to re-direct their focus on those officers who just might have info that the FBI needs.

      • leander22 says:

        Xena, I was close to replying to your video above by Dreadyhead, I’ve seen that video too. A lean towards his perspective.

        But strictly, I can understand Serino’s choice of Jose Baez can feel odd to some, considering O’Mara just officially filed his protest to BDLR’s statement. Although, yes the world is complex, and exactly that may have drawn Serino’s attention. Could make it the second best choice in defense of SPD next to O’Mara see below.

        I was reflecting what exactly makes me lean towards his side, part of it is the chronology of events inside SPD, as recorded via the media in the Wikipedia article of the case. At the end of the Sanford Police Investigation, March 12, March 13, March 16.

        And of course his interrogations of GZ.

        Just as his expression next to Lee during the press conference, which strictly could be staged.

        I had a look at BDLR’s arguments and motion concerning the gag order. I still find it odd, that BDLR mainly seems to blame O’Mara for his statements about GZ. Still feels like a bad argument to me.

        But I followed a couple of the links he cites. And found praise by O’Mara concerning a well done investigation. O’Mara is carefully foxy, if you understand what I mean, with his formulations. But interestingly among other things he mentions not only the reenactment but also GZ’s voice reenactment as an example that there had been a way beyond the usual solid investigation, which admittedly I found odd since his interest seems based on the SDP and to polish their image, expecting their support of course. And that’s were it get’s slightly manipulative, although he can simply claim he can’t have the exact chronology in mind. He also indirectly suggests it is obviously GZ’s voice, if he presents it altogether as supporting Zimmerman’s although he uses “seems to be”. That will easily pass most people’s attention.

        Now interestingly according Axiomamnesia this is when and by whom it was done:

        Florida State Attorney’s Office Voice Exemplar Recorded 3/22/2012

        But back to Serino, his FBI interview was taken on March 3, 2012. Thus he was aware he was being watched. Who else did they interview that early inside SPD? I still hope, nevertheless that he will stand by what he wrote. It is so apparent.

        Strictly Team O’Mara’s strategy feels like a win win game in it’s central aspects, he will help to polish up SPD’s image as a professionally working force and the State can’t really touch it. Where does that leave Team Corey?

        Clever, can we have Miami area LEO on Angela’s side? Maybe to him O’Mara wouldn’t be clever enough.

        • @Leander.. I was just reading the link on Wikipedia and it said, “Wolfinger’s office reported that the Sanford police consulted with Kelly Jo Hines, the prosecutor on call the night of the shooting, but it has not been disclosed what was talked about.” I would love to find more information on Kelly Jo Hines and if he/she (I presume a she) will be added to the list of witnesses. Also, interesting is Serino’s claim of being demoted/moved to patrol by choice because of pressure from some of the Black officers. I don’t believe him. I believe it was a warning to him to not go against the pack or suffer worse. This is not that unusual for a reprimand/ostracizing/warning/demotion to occur against an officer/whistle-blower who the pack thinks is a weak link (in my opinion). Still reading link so may comment again.

      • leander22 says:

        you correct all the usual typos and missing items in your mind please, but where exactly could I confirm this date?

        Florida State Attorney’s Office Voice Exemplar Recorded 3/22/2012

        What would be the correct term of the evidence list for the second discover and later additions. Meaning how could I get it fast again without looking into all the case documents?

        Strictly the date makes sense,

        If I am reflecting Malisha’s position: WAnd where exactly could the FBI’s perspective touch the interests of O’Mara and/or SPD and State, in the wish to uphold an impression of decent work inside SPD. The larger public interest?

        On the other hand one should never give up hope. 😉

      • leander22 says:

        Marshalette, the phone call with Hines also appears in Serino’s investigation report and happened supposedly at 23;45, see First Discovery, page 39.

        Odd, if Wolfinger wasn’t on the scene, and pack up the deal in the night of the shooting, why did he need to resign?

    • leander22 says:

      Hey, he is really powerful, I love the man. Can we have him on Angela’s team? Concerning the interesting hints, they were the core argument on our side from the start, weren’t they? But rarely expressed so eloquently. Although, come to think of it, we better don’t have him around here to check my spelling and grammar. 😉

      But have you’ve seen this?

      interestedparty? Team Zimmerman? Could be some firing signal for recent developments and strategies in and by Team Zimmerman. I’ll store that in the new link folder: “Team Zimmerman?”

  13. Two sides to a story says:

    Here’s an Outhouse video posted by Diwataman starring Serino – supposed to be pro-GZ, but we can certainly take it OUR way – just ignore those donation buttons!!

    • jm says:

      It’s pro GZ? I don’t get it. It’s just weird and annoying.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO that pretty much describes their defense plus add “keep repeating lies”

      • Two sides to a story says:

        LOL, Jun, that’s about right!

      • leander22 says:

        jm, it’s an insider joke from the Treehouse Crazies, or a so-called research made what drug the things Trayvon bought at 911, was meant to be used for. According to them it were two or three necessary ingedients of the drug Lean, or Watermelon Sizzup, supposedly made of Water melon juice, cough syrup and some type of sweets. It of course results in symptoms of panic and violence. I found the stuff both highly crazy and sick. Besides if you follow their links, you will realize that the skittles seem to be somehow fitted in as a variant, a substitute for whatever type of sweets. I am too lazy to look it up more carefully. The agenda obviously shows.

        Thus the joke is “he is on” skittles.

        Diwataman is an active member of the above camp. He seems to be highly respected by Jeralyn Merrit too, by the way, who at one point linked to a rather crazy article by Diwata concerning Trayvon’s cell phone records calling it a neat summary. He actually wrote the cell-phone found on the scene only “allegedly” was Trayvon’s, In a nutshell, if West/O’Mara tell something about smoke there must be a conflagration. I doubt he put my comment on that idea up.

      • leander22 says:

        I made some chances, now the comma does not fit anymore, which makes it hard to read:

        a “research” made into what drug the things Trayvon bought at 911 was meant to produce and what its usual symptoms are.

      • leander22 says:

        jm, interesting story. Serino uses it ironically, but strictly he may have drugs in mind too. Obviously not only the drug business and crime are related but there is also crime resulting from procurement necessities. Since it is illegal you need money to buy it. If you ask me it is an ironic response to Zimmerman’s “the suspect”, but for Serino too, drugs may well be part of “his real” profile.

        The problem is codeine, or cough syrup containing it, is really an old story. it feels I already heard about it in my youth, and I am an elder now. Besides it doesn’t really belong into this procurement crime category either. Just as the average child does not need to rob anybody get the other listed ingredients

    • Patricia says:

      Bizarre!

      Bizarre and ineffective.

    • Xena says:

      IMO, Dreadyhead summarizes Serino’s position as it was at that time. If Serino is indeed going to maintain his position, it comes as no surprise then, that he will want a lawyer at the deposition.

    • Rachael says:

      WTF was that? GZ’s ADD brain off drugs?

    • Malisha says:

      Oh “the water man” is just trying to make a cute video because he realized the “Help me Rhonda Help Help me Rhonda” was such a big hit, and he couldn’t let that soar past him. It’s neither pro-Zim nor pro-anything else. It’s silly and chaotic. Kinda shows you how some minds work. We did get quite a few views of Cheorge’s chinny chinn chin, though. 😎

    • Trina Cosbie says:

      I don’t understand the purpose for this video, other than to show he clearly isn’t up to the bar LLMPaPa, Dave & Trent are. Sorry, Dimwit-man(whatever your name is) but this sucked worse than Wal-mart vacuum cleaners!!

      • Rachael says:

        Dimwattnoman has some ridiculous videos. You should see the one of where Trayvon is in the 7-11 and the Dimwatt claims the clerk is profiling Trayvon. If I didn’t know who Dimwattnoman was, I would think it was satire and hilarious, but the dimatt is serious.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I watched his 7-11 video after watching the unadulterated version. Clearly the waterguy added his wishful thinking to his stop action profiling video.

    • Xena says:

      In one of my routine YouTube drive-by’s, I checked a channel that I’ve gone to previously. That in fact, I’ve referenced that channel because the person posts discovery material. I won’t name it because I don’t want to promote the filth that he/she just posted.

      In what appears to be competition with Dave and LLMPapa and to prove LLMPapa and Trent wrong based on Dave’s walk-through, that person has posted GZ’s re-enactment along with the recording of his NEN call.

      THIS is an excellent demonstration that GZ’s supporters DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, neither listen to,nor read discovery material. In his interview with Serino and Singleton, GZ was asked where he was when the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that.” GZ answered that he was on RVC. Those are his words, right?

      In that person’s competitive video, she/he has GZ just walking up to the cut-through when the dispatcher tells GZ “We don’t need you to do that.”

      So once again, we have a GZ supporter who does more harm than good by offering possible evidence that disagrees with GZ’s statements.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        i firmly believe that OM closed the GZLC FB because of the constant nonsense promoted by so-called GZ supporters. Only a small fraction were reasonable people.

        • Xena says:

          i firmly believe that OM closed the GZLC FB because of the constant nonsense promoted by so-called GZ supporters. Only a small fraction were reasonable people.

          Based on MOM’s announcement of closing that FB page, I can believe it. I wonder if he will hold a press conference or prepare a press release to address the Zidiots’ anti-government petition?

  14. grahase says:

    Just so everyone knows – it wasnt Serino in charge that night. It was Lieutenant Taylor – the Commander In Charge that night.. Lt. Taylor arrived on scene and notified dispatch to have Major Crimes responds to the scene.”

  15. Jun says:

    IMO, I dont think Omara depoing the cops he has listed will actually help his case. I dont know what some of the cops are doing or thinking but I think their lawyer and their own minds know if they are showing that they cared about the case and the kid, it would do them better and lessen any punishment that may come to them.

    The witnesses, the body, the shell casing, and George’s own statements, is what authenticate everything and the forensic evidence.

  16. Jun says:

    I thought about it and I feel the Zimmerthugs petition for a federal investigation into malicious prosecution (they always go over all cases anyways I believe) and I actually feel if the feds also investigated the case, it would actually do even better for Trayvon. Part of their investigation would also call into account Zimmerman, since he is being tried, and they would investigate him as well. Doing this would strengthen the case because all the evidence and procedures the state has done thus far would be double authenticated and the evidence against Zimmerman would be double authenticated and may even lead to more charges against Zimmerman, as to investigate malicious prosecution, they would look over the whole case against Zimmerman and Zimmerman himself. Lastly, the state could also see the negative impact that Omara has. Funny how God works in mysterious ways LOL

    • Xena says:

      I thought about it and I feel the Zimmerthugs petition for a federal investigation into malicious prosecution (they always go over all cases anyways I believe) and I actually feel if the feds also investigated the case, it would actually do even better for Trayvon.

      I would love for the Professor to write a post about this because that petition asks the Obama Administration to violate constitutional separation of powers as well as State’s rights.

      • Rachael says:

        And Xena, you know if the administration tells them it can’t be done on that constitutional basis, they will only continue with their Obama racist rants because they just don’t understand.

        • Xena says:

          And Xena, you know if the administration tells them it can’t be done on that constitutional basis, they will only continue with their Obama racist rants because they just don’t understand.

          Of course! They don’t understand because they don’t want to. Didn’t GZ say that he changed his major to political science? You would think he would know about constitutional separation of powers and tell his supporters how ignorant they are and how bad they are making him look. .

      • Jun says:

        I am not familiar with those laws or agreements so I will not speak on it. I was under the understanding that the Feds actually look into all cases to make sure the cases are all done properly.

        • Xena says:

          I am not familiar with those laws or agreements so I will not speak on it. I was under the understanding that the Feds actually look into all cases to make sure the cases are all done properly.

          The short version is, GZ is under jurisdiction of the State of Florida as a named defendant in a pending case. He is represented by legal counsel to make sure that his constitutional rights in the proceedings are not violated. Any decision regarding his case is up to the presiding judge –the judicial branch of government.

          The federal government cannot interfere in a State’s rights to prosecute alleged criminal offenders pursuant to state laws.

          Any individual whose constitutional rights are violated during a judicial proceeding has rights to pursue remedies under the judicial branch. Those remedies are not in the Executive Branch.

          What that petition does is say let’s get rid of the constitution; get rid of Florida’s self-defense law to hold a hearing to determine immunity; get rid of trial by jury; throw O’Mara to the curb; and let the federal government exonerate GZ because “we say so.”

      • Rachael says:

        Xena – ” Didn’t GZ say that he changed his major to political science?”

        I wouldn’t expect GZ to know his knee from his elbow, but certainly I would expect his father or brother to. Besides, GZ, being the “damaged party,” is the only one who can bring the suit – at least AFAIK.

        • Xena says:

          I wouldn’t expect GZ to know his knee from his elbow, but certainly I would expect his father or brother to. Besides, GZ, being the “damaged party,” is the only one who can bring the suit – at least AFAIK.

          Yes, and it would be a civil proceeding IF he is acquitted — all under the jurisdiction of the judicial branch of government — not the Executive Branch of federal government.

      • racerrodig says:

        Do they actually think they will get anywhere. There is no possibility a petition gets charges dropped.

        Where did that “No Arrest Guarantee” go the Zidiots slapped in our faces back in March & April. Now the desperation is laughable.

        Then there is the “political pressure” and “..Corey will be forced to drop the case and she’ll be prosecuted after the election”

        Look at them run…those waskawy wittle wabbits

        • Xena says:

          Look at them run…those waskawy wittle wabbits

          Racerrodig, as I’ve shared previously, I am familiar with the playbook of sovereign citizens, and based on comments I’ve read by Zidiots, they have taken on the agenda of sovereign citizens. Just watch — their next move will be to discuss how the U.N. can intervene.

          • racerrodig says:

            True, and we know God isn’t going to help him, because as we all know, it’s never a good idea to use God as an alibi……never.

          • Xena says:

            True, and we know God isn’t going to help him, because as we all know, it’s never a good idea to use God as an alibi……never.

            Interesting, I was just watching the following:

          • Patricia says:

            @Xena,

            Nope, not the U.N. Zimmerman is pushing MOM for planetary jurisdiction over his case. Zimm is a guy “who knows his place.”

            And MOM concurs – told Cheorge, “Obviously, it’s Uranus.”

          • Xena says:

            @Xena,

            Nope, not the U.N. Zimmerman is pushing MOM for planetary jurisdiction over his case. Zimm is a guy “who knows his place.”

            Okay. After the U.N., NASA. LOL!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            They’re so far out there Moron O’ Mara is practicing law like he’s using “The Force”

      • Jun says:

        All I know is God would not be a good witness for George if he testifies LMAO

      • Jun says:

        LMAO They not gonna drop charges. The feds, if they even intervened would look at all the facts and then conclude that the state had to uphold its law and they had every right to indict and arrest George, and then they would probably file their own charges against him LMAO

    • Malisha says:

      Jun, that petition is one of the more ridiculous things I have ever seen on the web. It’s like a petition to Santa Claus to stop the melting of the polar ice cap, in elf defense.

      • Jun says:

        I agree it is a damn stupid petition but at the same time, even if they were successful in getting the federal investigation, I think it would make matters worse for George LOL. I doubt they succeed but feds would look at the evidence and the state and conclude that they have no case for malicious prosecution because there is none, and the evidence against George is double authenticated as they would look into him. It actually backfires if they succeed LMAO

      • Rachael says:

        Maybe this will help understanding what malicious prosecution is and why they will not be successful with a petition:

        http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malicious+prosecution

        • racerrodig says:

          There is no bigger a joke told ever compared to this garbage.
          So throw away all the laws, murder is legal and malicious prosecution is the deal if you don’t confess at once.

          Scott Peterson, you’re free to go.

      • Jun says:

        Lets see evidence, hmmm, baseless hmmm

        1) George kills a kid

        2) George is heard targeting and stalking and scaring the same kid he killed before killing the kid, on his NEN phone call

        3) George claims to be attacked but bares practically no injuries and his claims sound staged and full of inconsistencies and contradictions and outright lies

        4) George has a long history of targeting and instigating manipulation, harassment, violence or a combination of all the acts

        Is there an act within the feds and the whitehouse called BITCH PLEASE? LOL

        Wouldnt this attempt by their silly petition be baseless and malicious as they have no proof?

        • racerrodig says:

          The racist mentality has past the point of staggeringly preposterous. So, killing has exemptions despite his lawyer saying SYG does not apply, he has Zippity do Dah for a defense yet it’s a malicious prosecution.

          Wait….Malicious = Justifiable in Zimmycode

          Peter Pan = PayPal
          37 dollars = $37,000.00

          Yeah…………..that’s the ticket !!

        • racerrodig says:

          Remember that his CCW permit is invalid. When that gets discussed at trial, it will really hit the fan. With all of the issues Zidiot has, his only chance is to have his minions insult all black people, all white people who support support this cause, the President of the United States, then impose their collective mindset on the Government, of course I mean Mr. President, and claim this is a malicious prosecution.

          So what was Zidiots attack on an unarmed minor child resulting in a violent and wholly unnecessary killing ……

          “A Passive Misunderstanding”

          I would love one shot at Zimmshitz Sr. for the comment he made in a wholly condescending manner the week after at the crime scene where he said “….this is where than young man lost his life…” Hey S for brains, Trayvon didn’t “Lose” anything. He was deprived of his life by that racist pig you “raised”

          Then one shot with Z for about …….we’ll say 40 to 60 seconds and see what his brainless head looks like when I’m done. Every member of Team Trayvon can dial 911 when the lesson begins, that is if you want to…………or not. I’m sure the expression “…my head felt like it was about to explode…” will be redefined.

          Then SheLie…….I’m sure something can be cooked up that is very imaginative using some big bandages.

          Them Ma – Ma Z. It didn’t escape my eyes that on your TV 15 minutes of shameless garbage, you had pictures of your Zidiot from when he was about 1 year old and topping out at about 10…..
          What’s up with that ?? But that Zidiot Nation cries like babies because the pictures of Trayvon are from when he was 15 & 16., That would be the most recent taken since that shit you spawned killed Trayvon right after he turned 17.

          There, now I feel better !! a lot better.

          I’d like to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving tomorrow that I have “met” here that supports this cause and I’d again like everyone to take a minute and keep the Martin family in our prayers, no matter how you pray.

          To the Martin Family and their close friends. I may never meet you, and you may never read this, but trust in the God we know and know that there are millions of people that are on your side. Don’t let the few who feel the need to be demonic distract you and cause any waver. The way that you have handled this is beyond reproach and the world is watching.

          I pray that there will be a Trayvon Benjamin Martin day similar to MLK day in which the racism can be ended. Those of us who use common sense and were brought up in a fashion and manner to be color blind know what this means.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO who signed the petition as Zidiots.com Z LMAO?

  17. aussie says:

    The police union would pay, normally. Maybe Baez is doing a freebie though.

  18. Patricia says:

    I have been concerned all along, as Dave states, that this is a grand ploy by O’Mara to delete, in advance of the trial, testimony by Serino and Singleton as could be elicited by the prosecution when they are called to the stand as witnesses for the prosecution.

    Specifically, I want segments of the interview audiotapes and videos played for the jury, with Serino and Singleton and other LE officers in the video being asked, “Did you interrogate the defendent on (date) re (subject matter) and are these your statements on the (tape/video)? Then follow this with whatever questions the prosecution deems appropriate.

    If all that is replied by every cop is: “I take the Fifth” then every juror is going to feel that SPD screwed up and that Zimmerman, of all people, was denied fair treatment — so they find him not guilty based on improper police treatment … when the “improper police treatment” was favoritism and mollycoddling of Zimmerman, THE KILLER.

    What is Professor Leatherman’s take on this?

    Does this set a precedent as strategy in all future trials where police are scheduled as witnesses for the prosecution?

    • racerrodig says:

      I think to much is being read into this. I think Serino is telling Moron O’ Mara he’s not cowed by a deposition and has a bugger gun than he is.

    • Xena says:

      If Baez is on his toes, he will not allow any question to be asked that goes beyond Serino’s written reports and Capias.

      IDK, but it seems to me that MOM is going off the deep end to “investigate” a conspiracy to arrest GZ when his responsibility is to defend GZ on 2nd degree murder charges.

      There’s the concept that lawyers do not ask questions unless they already know the answers. If MOM is using the depositions to conduct a fishing expedition regarding conspiracy to arrest GZ, then he does not know the answers, won’t get the answers he wants, and is wasting valuable time.

      • Jun says:

        These are the answers Omara will get, since he is going that route

        1) George did kill a kid
        2) George was heard targeting, pursuing a confrontation, and stalking and chasing the kid he killed beforehand on a 911 call
        3) The defendant gave many fishy statements as to what happened as it contradicts what all the witnesses said happened
        4) George has no credibility
        5) Prove it in court it was not an apparent murder

        Those 5 facts is why Omara’s conspiracy thingy wont work LOL

        • racerrodig says:

          Exactly. His “…didn’t you say he shouldn’t be charged…” line gets dumped on. As we say…”That was then…and this is now” As in NOW we have the evidence
          NOW we have so many versions, Team Trayvon is writing comic routines on an hourly basis
          NOW we know Trayvon was just a normal kid
          NOW we know Z is a mental misfit on drugs
          NOW we know Z’s violent tendencies
          NOW he have LLMPapa dissecting the timeline
          NOW we know Z could not have been attacked
          NOW we know Z was not on the bottom
          NOW NOW NOW.

      • Malisha says:

        Xena, exactly. The questions O’Mara wants to ask him are surely irrelevant, immaterial, and incompetent as Perry Mason used to say. Baez will make sure they don’t get anywhere.

    • grahase says:

      Just my opinion, Singleton and Serino did interrogate Zimmerman. But — I don’t think this is at issue. I think the issue is what happened after those interviews.

      • Xena says:

        I would like to know why Serino neither Singleton asked George why he would have a tactical flashlight conveniently within his reach in his truck.

        There is nothing in his NEN call indicating that he hesitated before getting out of his truck and running behind Trayvon. It’s questionable why GZ would have a flashlight within reach in his truck unless he anticipated having to get out of his truck in an area other than his attached garage.

  19. Dave says:

    Serino is in an interesting situation. If he pleads the Fifth at the deposition wouldn’t that effectively eliminate him as a witness for the prosecution? Maybe that’s the whole point of this move by O’Mara. Also, doing so sure isn’t going to help his chances for promotion.

    Does anyone know who is paying his legal bills? Serino himself? SPD? Serino’s union?

    • racerrodig says:

      In NJ at least, if he is not charged with a crime, the police / union covers the cost. They may try to get out of it depending on his stance. There are instances that I know of 1st hand where a cop was sued for brutality or such and the police and / or union covered the cost.

    • Malisha says:

      I would bet the police are not paying his lawyer.

    • I suspect BIaz is NOT charging Serino money, he’s only too happy for some attention! No one bought his book of lies. So he’s just waiting to get his lying ass on TV! That’s the only way he can make money! He swore he was gonna get his own show after the theatrics in his only other known case! Lord knows he practiced acting enough!!!

    • Xena says:

      Baez is hired on by the law firm that represents the SPD. To say it another way, the firm is an extension of the City’s law department. He will be paid by the City of Sanford.

      • grahase says:

        Not usually paid by the taxpayer. Usually funded by the LE union dues – Baez is not representing SPD. He is representing Serino.

        • Xena says:

          Not usually paid by the taxpayer. Usually funded by the LE union dues – Baez is not representing SPD. He is representing Serino.

          The City attorney attended the last hearing by phone to discuss MOM’s condom motion and scheduling of depositions of LE personnel. Cities often farm out legal work to law firms. Mostly, those law firms have competed in the bid process.

          A union would be involved if LE were being investigated for wrongdoing in the performance of their job, but this is not the case, and MOM can’t transform a defense for his client into an investigation of wrongdoing against his client by LE.

      • grahase says:

        Thank you Xena. If I were Serino, you can be sure I would want an attorney by my side. If the SPD is being investigated, I would not want to get myself painted into a corner. Whistleblowers, people crossing picket lines, and anyone else bucking the status quo never again are accepted within the rank and file. Serino – good, bad, or indifferent – needs the support right now. If you listen to the interview tapes, after GZ recounted the tragic events of that night, he used every one of Serinos prompts. No, I wasnt running – it was the wind. GZ: that doesnt even sound like me screaming. Serino: it was. Later, GZ claims those screams. Just two outs given by Serino from the top of my head.

    • Malisha says:

      Serino can plead the fifth at his deposition and still testify at trial because what O’Mara asks him at his deposition is very likely to be stuff that would be completely INADMISSIBLE at trial. This is all theater. Serino’s right to hire counsel and he will be a decent witness, in spite of “who said what to whom” within that stinking corrupt department.

      • Malisha says:

        Serino cannot decide what will be asked of him, but he can, now (thanks to having the protection of counsel) decide what he will answer.

        • Patricia says:

          @Malisha –

          So Serino – or any witness – can pick & choose whether he will take the Fifth, per inquiry? It’s not a blanket refusal to testify that applies to ALL inquiries during the trial?

          Also, having testified, can he be brought back later to testify on other items?

  20. Tee says:

    Oh what a tangled Webb we weave when first we practice to deceive. I hate it for them!

  21. Great Post Professor!!!! So basically the “rock and a hard place” is Serino maintaining loyalty with the pack or going against it! To be honest, I do not know what he will choose, but instance after instance has shown that a police officer who goes against the “pack” is oftentimes demoted, ostracized, and even threatened. The police and their code of silence is sometimes deafening. Time will tell what the deposition brings. OAN: Jose Baez is/has really made a name for himself as a self-defense attorney with this case another high profile one under his belt.

    • leander22 says:

      marsha, even if this sounds close to Malisha, that is what this story feels like to me. I got myself into troubles quite a bit of following my own ethical rules.

      True, he reported on black colleagues, which I would never have done. True just like Singleton he basically had his own black youth profiling rules.

      But I like the picture the Miami Herold staff used. I will never in my life forget the images of a skeptical Serino during the press conference. He would have had a different expression if he was simply aligned with Lee.

      There were two things, I wanted to add while reading, Frederick’s article. Seems I have forgotten one now. But concerning this:

      And for God’s sake, never mind that the dispatcher warned Zimmerman not to follow the victim.

      Add to that, what feels in hindsight a perfectly good instinct by „Sean“, who apparently tried to stop Zimmerman by asking him questions none of the former dispatchers had asked him. Which led to the curious discovery by Sling Trebuchet, which I would have missed, that Zimmerman’s responses obviously resulted in the watcher feeling watched and overheard at that point in time.

      Could that decision have anything to do with efforts by George Zimmerman’s father, a former judicial magistrate in Virginia with connections to Seminole County State’s Attorney Norm Wolfinger, the State’s Attorney in Seminole County and Mark Osterman, Zimmerman’s best friend and former Seminole County Sheriff’s Deputy and close friend of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee who was Serino’s boss?

      My influence preference is on Mark Osterman. The father may be important for the basic necessary prejudice, which I am sure George tried to trigger in the investigator’s minds. Would the son of a career soldier and a magistrate judge ever something as bad as that? He must have been in an exceptional and thus exculpatory situation. Below race prejudices there are class prejudices. I don’t need anything else, in spite of father Zimmerman’s later efforts to help his son, he may have his own reasons to do so. Remorse of never having much time for the kids he created?

    • leander22 says:

      i keep staring at this stuff and can’t understand it.

      I got myself into troubles quite a bit of following my own ethical rules.

      I’ll return to my computer forensic tasks.

      Good article by both Frederick and Frances..

    • grahase says:

      The Fraternal Brotherhood as GZ calls it.

  22. Malisha says:

    “I think the man who was arrested for threatening chief lee was an elderly white gentleman…”

    Woah, did I miss something? What did he threaten Lee with, self-defense?

  23. Malisha says:

    O’Mara doesn’t want to depose Wolfinger is my guess. What would old Doubya say? “Oh I didn’t want to charge him; I think whites should be allowed to kill Blacks in Sanford. I hope that works for all the rational people of this state; if I had my way there’d be a law…”

  24. cielo62 says:

    >^..^< going in the same direction…

  25. Good, gettin to the whole truth now!!! I hope Omar at least, even if inadvertently, finds some more useful evidence against those Sanford hicks! But if i were in Serino’s shoes i woulda picked a more respected and professional attorney, and not the lime-light-lovin Biaz. We already know he desperately tried to get GZ to hire him early on. I don’t think that does any favors for Serino! But like they always say; birds of a feather….

    Professor, Can Omar depose the ex-state attorney Wolfslinger too?? Can he take the 5th, does he have special government protections like the other liars…opps, i mean state prosecution lawyers?

    • grahase says:

      Well, with Baez on the scene, I can see Geraldo Rivera injecting himself into the case somehow. Baez and Rivera are media mongers.

      • Malisha says:

        Rivera’s gonna be “twice shy” about this case; I predict he will keep his mouth shut before one of his kids delivers another kick to his tender areas.

  26. Malisha says:

    I think cops who still want Cheorge liberated will say whatever O’Mara wants them to say. I think Baez will protect Serino from saying much of anything. And I think it won’t matter in the long run. What will matter is what happened that night, according to the physical evidence that none of the police can change or even “spin” at this point in time. They were fools to try it in February and March, too, because sometimes such behavior can come back to bite your posterior…

    As in Wolfinger, Lee, and we don’t know who else…

    • racerrodig says:

      If O’ Mara thinks any officer saying Z shouldn’t be charged will get him anything, he needs to find a new line of work. He actually thinks that with what was known within a few hours besides his lying clients statement is the bomb???

      Then free Scott Peterson…..hell, anyone who did not confess right away…..you’re all free to go. There Mark…..that OK with you?

      • Tzar says:

        O’mara stopped being a lawyer long time ago, he is a race baiting pimp preacher looking for donations. All this ranting is for donations from people who think their firearms are surrogate penises, that George is being unfairly persecuted by the “blacks” and that the “blacks” have gotten way too uppity, what with demanding all that justice and all out loud too, with reckless eyeballin’ and all. (completely blocking out the fact that the outcry and protest for justice was multiracial, lol I think the man who was arrested for threatening chief lee was an elderly white gentleman… America sometimes you make me proud and give me hope 🙂 )

        • jm says:

          “O’mara stopped being a lawyer long time ago, he is a race baiting pimp preacher looking for donations.”

          That’s my impression. How else is he going to collect his $400 an hour. Not from Cheorge. 😕

          • racerrodig says:

            Cheorge is getting about $20.00 a day now. Bet that Moron O’ Mara is saying some pretty nasty things about now.

        • racerrodig says:

          From this 57 year old white male to you……Great Post…How about dinner here soon!!

          Maybe that Osterman guy has it a bit wrong with that “Z has so many black friends they could start their own March” line.

      • Rachael says:

        Love this post Tzar!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        . . . especially because when OM loses this case, defendants aren’t exactly going to be flocking to his door. He needs the donations to survive, and to hire the specialists that GZ needs in an attempt to either win or to get a decent plea bargain. I’d love to be a fly on the wall – is it possible, Professor, that as well as trying the case in the court of public opinion, that he may also be gunning for a decent plea after the defense hearing fails?

      • Jun says:

        LMAO at plea bargain guy

        How does that work?

        West
        “Okay so he murdered that kid, but, he volunteered for 3000 black kids before, so how about no death penalty or life without parole?”

        • racerrodig says:

          “West
          “Okay so he murdered that kid, but, he volunteered for 3000 black kids before, so how about no death penalty or life without parole?..
          …..oh and his black friends are planning a March for “Free the Z” and they plan on having a “token white dude” there….some guy named Osterman as I recall”
          So. I guess we’re good to go…..

    • roderick2012 says:

      Malisha, I completely disagree with you about Serino.

      He will be the prosecution’s downfall because O’Mara will make
      Serino what Mark Furman was to O.J.

      O’Mara knows that he has no case and has already signaled that he will attempt to deflect and change the subject from his client having shot an unarmed teenager who was not committing a crime.

      The problem for the State is that Serino’s fingerprints are all over this case.
      1) He allegedly filed an affidavit to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter
      2) He interviewed Zimmerman multiple times and was present when Zimmerman contradicted himself.
      How will the State be able to introduce those interviews if they don’t call Serino to the witness stand. How about George’s re-enactment video? I guess they could call the other officer who was present.

      OTOH Serino ‘corrected’ several witnesses and told them that it was George who was screaming for help. Allegedly he told the DOJ that he only filed charges because he was pressured by the black members of the Sanford PD and a white female who was married to a black man. When interviewed alongside Bill Lee for a newspapaper article Serino claimed that there was not enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman. Serino was demoted to patrol after it was alleged that he gave ABC footage of Zimmerman the night of the shooting.

      Serino’s choosing Baez as his attorney solidifies my opinion that Serino has no scrupples.

      O’Mara will have a field day using Serino to distract the jury from the facts of this case.

      • Jun says:

        Serino is going to tread lightly and he will likely say, whether true or not, that he was simply bamboozled by George, and he was not there to give witness testimony, and that after his own investigation, the defendant’s claims were not adding up, and he also did not believe George’s story after initial investigation. Serino will also state that he simply felt there was not enough evidence at the time in his opinion for a court trial, and the pressure was simply that the certain officers felt it was a strong enough case.

        Serino got lawyered up as he should. I agree that he made some mistakes but if he simply admits his mistakes, Serino is more of a danger to the defense. If Serino simply says that he was going by what George said until he investigated and figured out George was lying and his story doesnt add up to him, and he was wrong for correcting witnesses, but he believes they are correct that it was the kid screaming not George, he will do fine. Besides, Serino could simply say he was mistaken and he shouldnt have submitted hearsay from the defendant and will not do so in a court of law and he believes it was the kid screaming and that he believes that George is guilty of a crime.

        Baez is there to make sure Serino gets no criminal charges and I think they will simply stay their punishment of demotion

        As well, cops are known to lie and play good cop to get information, so for all we know, they could be doing that to Omara right now

      • Xena says:

        Cheorge is getting about $20.00 a day now. Bet that Moron O’ Mara is saying some pretty nasty things about now.

        Had a source inform me yesterday that Cheorge calls MOM’s office every hour, and Mom has gotten sick of it. Security is sick of Cheorge too, who thinks he should be catered to like a king. Security generally runs out and buys things for Cheorge with their own money and subsequently gets reimbursed by MOM. Well, Cheorge ran out of toilet paper, and security did not run out to the store with their own money, so Cheorge was without toilet paper for 2 days until MOM decided to fork over money to security to go to the store.

        • jm says:

          Xena says “…… so Cheorge was without toilet paper for 2 days until MOM decided to fork over money to security to go to the store.”

          Cheorge without toilet paper for 2 days must be awful for everyone involved seeing how he must love to eat. Maybe he borrowed some of ShelLIE’s supersized butterfly bandages.

          Love it when MOM has to dip into his $400 dollar an hour pay. That couldn’t leave much in donations for living expenses for Cheorge and ShelLIE.

          • Xena says:

            @JM. Remember at bond re-do, MOM and West were fussing over GZ? The last two hearings, MOM completely ignored GZ. Well, I wondered about that. Also, remember how GZ harassed HR at CarMax, complaining about the managers and he was eventually fired for that harassment? Combine that with his numerous NEN calls. Think about the numerous calls he made to ShelLIE on a daily basis from jail. Should we think that GZ does not contact MOM in the manner? I heard he did so hourly.

            Now, we know what people do when they think someone is dodging them. They get others to make the calls for them.

            MOM must think that he stepped into the George Zimmerman Twilight Zone. He cannot concentrate on building GZ’s defense for distractions, going down rabbit holes and having to provide everything for GZ, including toilet paper. That is NOT the job of a lawyer.

            What does this also tell us? That MOM doesn’t trust GZ to have a dollar in his pocket. That speaks volumes.

        • cielo62 says:

          LOL! 2 days! I guess he also ran out of newspaper, too!

          Sent from my iPad

        • racerrodig says:

          Toilet paper or not, we all know he’s full of s&%# so what’s the diff?? Hey Cheorge, use newspapers.

      • Jun says:

        Omara would be mad. It seems like George does not want to pay him, and his idiotic cult does not want to give Money to Omara LOL

      • cielo62 says:

        Roderick- I don’t think that will work for this case. We still have the forensic evidence that has not and cannot be changed; the body, the shell casing and the NEN call will cook GZs goose without the need to interview any cops on the scene.

        Sent from my iPad

      • Malisha says:

        Don’t forget that Serino has no value as an opinion-giver and don’t forget there will be a JUDGE. Serino was a witness to several things, and of course the prosecution will use him to get those things into evidence. The fact that Serino was on-again and off-again with the totally corrupt “fixers” in the department won’t make what he actually WITNESSED change in the least. O’Mara’s all excited about his little side-track of carrying on about the wrongness for bringing charges precisely because he has no defense! That will work for public opinion; that will not work for trial and, if the public opinion keeps doing good counter-insurgency work as we are doing now, even his “public opinion” work will come to nothing in the end.

        Remember: OJ did not ADMIT to killing Nicole and Ron G. Casey Anthony did not ADMIT to killing her child. We have a situatin here with a completely different situation. What Cheorge needs to prove cannot be proven. What Cheorge needs to show cannot be shown. And Serino’s scraping and bowing on Monday and then bucking and secretly pissing in the wind on Tuesday won’t be able to equal “Mark Fuhrman” at all.

        Also, the reason OJ got off was that the jury was doing a nullification and that nullification was paybacks for Rodney King. Don’t fool yourself; it had nothing to do with law. The LAPD needed their asses kicked and they got it. Unfortunately, other people, innocent people, paid the price for their years and years and years of rotten corruption and deliberate racism. That’s the LIFE AIN’T FAIR factor.

      • roderick2012 says:

        @cielo62: I disagree. It’s obvious from the second bond hearing that West will attempt to pit LEO against each other and confuse the issue if possible.

        Yes there is forensic evidence but the SPD did a sloppy job that night including not canvassing the neighborhood immediately after the shooting to determine Trayvon’s identity and not securing George’s truck.

        Add to Serino’s contradictions and poor investigative procedures West and O’Mara will bring up those two things to cast doubt that the forensic evidence was collected correctly and will question the chain of custody of said evidence.

        It’s all about reasonable doubt for the defense and with O’Mara’s smoke and mirrors and the pathetic if not criminal police work of the SPD Zimmerman is half way to an aquittal or at the very least a hung jury.

        • Xena says:

          Add to Serino’s contradictions and poor investigative procedures West and O’Mara will bring up those two things to cast doubt that the forensic evidence was collected correctly and will question the chain of custody of said evidence.

          Forensic evidence taken by the ME and lab brings no challenge about chain of custody because it was taken from Trayvon’s dead body. If anything, the SPD failed to take evidence to support that GZ’s head was banged on concrete. They failed to take photos of his injuries at the crime scene.

          That infers that they took GZ’s words as truth. The State’s benefit is that it has forensic evidence that disputes GZ’s words.

        • cielo62 says:

          Roderick- yes there are gaping holes in the mess they call ” police work.” however the body wasn’t moved by anyone except the ME. The other stuff was collected probably correctly (the clothes, the bullet casing, etc) but they simply chose to ignore its significance. Even without much of that stuff, GZs inconsistent stories plus his NEN would doom him. None of the evidence gives GZ any reason to have followed Martin, confront him and then kill him. BUT this is JMO. The judge and jury will see what they will see. I trust it’s enough for a 25 year sentence.

          Sent from my iPad

      • groans says:

        Roderick 2012 said: “O’Mara will have a field day using Serino to distract the jury from the facts of this case.”

        I wish I could disagree with you, but I think you raise strong points.

        We can’t delude ourselves by only looking through our “rose colored glasses,” which display the facts only as we believe them to be. Smoke and mirrors can be, and has been, a very powerful and effective strategy – whether we like it or not, or whether it’s rational or not.

        Jurors (like voters) can have a very hard (i.e., impossible) time focusing on objectively critical facts, when their view is distorted by the imposition of thick smoke magnified by strategically-placed mirrors.

      • roderick2012 says:

        @Malisha
        Are you kidding? It was Serino’s OPINION that George be arrested on manslaughter charges because he didn’t believe George’s version of events then he changed his tune once he was co-opted by the good ole boys.

        LOL. The problem with public opinion is that the jury pool will be chosen from the public and people can lie about their biases to get on a jury especially one as high profile and polarized by race as this case has been.

        I don’t care if George admitted to killing Trayvon. The discussion has moved so far beyond that to whether George had reason to fear for his life and there are some people (if you’ve been on other message boards) who have a strong fear of black males and believe that we are all violent criminals and given the aftermath of the re-election there are a lot of angry whites who would rather secede from the union than to be governed by a black man.

        As for jury nullification O’Mara only needs to convince one juror out of six to ignore the evidence and vote to acquit George and hold out for a hung jury.

        Contrary to what many of you think if there is a hung jury this case won’t be re-tried because Rick Scott is up for re-election in 2014 and he doesn’t want to be asked on the campaign trail his opinion of this verdict was.

        My guess is that Corey will attempt to placate Trayvon’s parents that since Obama was re-elected that George will be prosecuted by Eric Holder and charged at the federal level for violating Trayvon’s civil rights and wash her hands of the entire mess.

        @groans
        You’re on point. I have a friend with whom I talk politics and he stated that American voters tend to vote based upon emotions rather than reason or which policies the candidates support. That’s why Republicans have won so many elections focusing on emotional issues like abortion and gays.

        It’s interesting that when George was caught on tape conspiring with Shelly to deceive the court at the first bond hearing about how much money they had everyone was stating that if George would deceive and lie about the money why wouldn’t he lie about what happened the night that applies to the evidence in this case including the forensic evidence which proves that George shot Trayvon in cold blood.

        Also a lot of people are intellectually lazy and jurors are humans and not robots. Most of these jurors are going to be from a conservative area and I have noticed that most conservatives see issues in black or white. If things get confusing they will just say what the heck with the evidence and err on the side of caution and vote to acquit George of Murder II.

        I bet O’Mara will ask that the jurors be sequestered during the entire trial which will ratchet up the emotional and mental anguish so they will be ready to give a quick verdict after deliberations. I remember the one young female juror during the OJ trial who had an emotional breakdown because she couldn’t handle being sequestered ( no tv, no internet, no cell phones, not allowed to communicate with the other jurors) which sounded worse than being in jail.

  27. Jun says:

    This is an interesting case, in that, it has either police corruption or ineptitude mixed in. I dont feel all the members of SPD were involved with the corruption or ineptitude though. I dont know what to think of Serino, he is aloof to me. Most of the cops depo’d will likely plead the fifth but may answer simple questions regarding the case.

  28. itsallboutmeash says:

    There is a missing map George drew in the first interview with Singleton. There is no record of a call made to a witness by an investigator according to the discovery and the witness that said he talked to an investigator the next day by phone. There was no attempt to discover the owner of the Toyota key on the flash light ring according to discovery. Serino failed to protect evidence at the scene like the phone in the rain, the drink can and so on. He failed to get pictures of George’s clothes and wounds until 11:30 that night. Serino knew about the picture taken of George in the police car and did not get it for 20 days. Yeah, he is taking the fifth.

    • esentrick says:

      I thought about the missing map GZ drew with Singleton as well (which btw I thought Singleton was better fit to lead the investigation). then I slightly remembered, there was agreement or some sort that GZ drawing as well as his phone records would not to be released under FL law (maybe someone here may have more info). But I also found interesting, was the fact Serino along with “Billy” addressed the Media stating there was no evidence to disprove GZ acted in self-defense but yet Serino requested manslaughter charges. It was after this discovery, the media questioned Serino on why he made this statement, knowingly he requested manslaughter charges. Shortly, after that he requested reassignment (wink wink) to a lesser position.

      Things that make you go hmmm…

      • Two sides to a story says:

        And someone, some say Serino, leaked the footage of GZ walking into SPD station to the media . . . someone wanted the world to know the case was a little different than SPD was saying.

        OOOOooooo, That Serino retained a high-profile attorney shows he’s deeply concerned about a Federal investigation!

    • aussie says:

      The key with the flashlight is entered into evidence as a HONDA key, which would be written on it. As GZ drives a Honda it is assumed by all and sundry that it is his key. If the cps thought he was walking and found a key, clearly part of the crime scene, you’d think they’d inquire about how it got there, ie maybe he was not walk after all.

      • grahase says:

        aussie – It could have been Shellies key. I dont think the police should have made the assumption. Had the key on the flashlight been taken into evidence, how did Shellie remove the vehicle from the scene. In the NEN call, one can here GZ saying – the keys are in the truck.

      • Xena says:

        And someone, some say Serino, leaked the footage of GZ walking into SPD station to the media . . . someone wanted the world to know the case was a little different than SPD was saying.

        That was discussed on other sources when Serino was demoted. The theory of him leaking that vid to the media was because Papa Zim appeared on television promoting the idea that GZ was half-dead with a bloody head and nose. The vid in the police station showed a GZ very different than his dad’s description.

      • grahase says:

        If Shellie had a spare key or if the spare key was on a hook at their residence, I wonder how she knew to bring it with her to move the vehicle.

  29. fauxmccoy says:

    follow with avid interest

    • VIcky says:

      Are the homes there townhouses or condos? If townhouses, the owner owns the structure land, the land their home sits on and usually the front and back yard property. The common areas are shared by all owners. So, if townhomes, GZ killed Trayvon on someone else’s property.

      • racerrodig says:

        They are townhouses.

      • PYorck says:

        GZ may never have denied being a child molester, but he felt compelled to clarify immediately that he was not an apartment-dweller.

        • jm says:

          Pyorck says “GZ may never have denied being a child molester, but he felt compelled to clarify immediately that he was not an apartment-dweller.”

          LOL I remember how stupid that sounded in that GZ was living in a RENTED condo and not a very luxurious one at that.

        • racerrodig says:

          Gotta have the details right. remember, Trayvon skipped away, not out of fear mind you…

          God forbid the Zidiot & SheLie live below their stature in an apartment…….oh no…

      • @Manberk, GZ never owned anything in his life!! Gz was a renter, and an irresponsible one at that since he could barely stay employed! Him and shelie were both moochers, pretty much living off shelies’ relatives, scams, frivolous lawsuits and financial aid. But he had to be aware his free ride at school was almost over with that 2.0 GPA. You have to be at least passing to keep getting Financial aid.

        Also, Trayvon wasn’t near his rental at anytime that we know of. Gz was the one out stalking the neighborhood with a gun and flashlight, looking for someone to kill. He had NO right even look at that kid funny!!

        Gz’s stupid arrogant denial of his own worthlessness, pathetic attention seeking behavior, and then of course there’s his lack of self esteem from years of suffering with the common but incurable little-man-syndrome, is the only reason an innocent kid is gone forever!

        The only thing we can do now is make sure GZ gets everything he has coming to him, and Trayvon get the proper, honorable legacy he deserves!

      • ladystclaire says:

        @shannoninmiami, Thank you for that comment, especially the ending. Trayvon and his family deserves justice in this matter and, he does not deserve the hate that some in this country is singing at him and his family. I saw a comment on HP today and the person Dino made a not true comment about Sybrina. these people are making up all kinds of lies about this family. it’s really shameful that this is the year of our LORD 2012, and we still have people with such racist hate in their hearts. I’m so happy to be here among good people who know that what GZ did to this kid was wrong. I LOVE YOU ALL AND WISH EACH OF YOU A HAPPY AND SAFE THANKSGIVING.

  30. racerrodig says:

    I don’t know about other states but in NJ if you own any weapons legally the police know it and it’s on their computer system. In 2008 I had to call the police on a customer who was trying to take his race car owing $15K. When they arrived, and I know a lot of them, they read the riot act to this kid and his dad. The kid who was actually 22 but about 5-1 then threatened me in front of the police!
    The sergeant in charge said “…Mr. Racer…you do know the laws for self protection and gun laws were just changed right?” “Yep” I said… The officer then recited what guns I owned and told s for brains if he come on my property for anything other than payment, he was considered “fair game”

    My point is, didn’t the SPD know Z was armed ? They would have here and he would have been told do not do anything at all. More than likely “…we don’t need you to do that..” would be You will return to you vehicle and wait sir.

    • Tzar says:

      ha good story

    • Tzar says:

      so in an actual confrontation you chose not to shoot the kid before the police that you had called arrived….odd.

    • manberk says:

      Probably didnt have time look him up and I dont think he gave his full name until later.

      Whats disgusting about this case if is George wasnt on his property. Nor was Trayvon. He actually seems to chase him onto someone elses and shoots him there. While I understand SYG perfectly well, George clearly caused the events, and the fear in the air that night. And since TM wasnt found to be doing anything wrong and lived a few feet away, this doesnt pass the typical SYG/SD sniff test.

      • racerrodig says:

        You got that right.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        in regards to property within a condo association, it is safe to assume the following to be consistent in terms of legal ownership.

        a condo owner only owns the airspace within the confines of the wall of his/her unit and perhaps a yard space, if enclosed. a renter would have the same ‘claim’. (why my bro and i refer to them as ‘condo-minimums’, you do not own much.)

        all other property within the complex is owned jointly by the condo association, considered ‘common areas’ in which all owners/renters enjoy equal access and no particular property rights. hope this is clear.

      • Malisha says:

        Caselaw from the FL Supreme Court says that you can show a victim’s propensity for violence to prove self-defense even if you did not know his propensity for violence at the time you killed him in self-defense. At first I thought this was a ridiculous precedent, but then it came to me: It is perfectly CORRECT if in fact the victim of the homicide was the aggressor in the confrontation. If you’re armed and some guy comes at you from nowhere, you don’t have to have prior knowledge that he is dangerous and violent before you can justifiably defend yourself to the max; you don’t have time to do an investigation.

        This won’t work for Cheorge, though. If Trayvon Martin had seen HIM, followed HIM, profiled HIM, and then tried to kill HIM, I do believe Cheorge’s prior knowledge of that possibility would have been irrelevant.

        By the same token, Trayvon Martin’s attempt to defend himself against Cheorge could have been just as violent and vigorous as anything could possibly be even if he was unaware that Cheorge had a record of violence and a loaded gun on him.

        Yes, it does make sense. Sometimes the law does make sense.

      • racerrodig says:

        ” George clearly caused the events..” and that alone would cause his undoing, the rest is just cementing the inevitable.

  31. Tzar says:

    hey…Off topic and apologies in advance

    how do you guys quote people and put smiles in your posts?

  32. Malisha says:

    One time I read a deposition in which the answer to every question after, “State your name for the record,” was “I refuse to answer on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.” At one point the attorney taking the deposition asked, “How can your address incriminate you?” and the guy answered, predictably, “I refuse to answer on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.” 😛

  33. Tzar says:

    Methinks the feds are acomin’, arghhh ye mateys batten down them hatches!!!!

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