Zimmerman: Prosecution and Defense Counsel Need to Stop the Stupid Mistakes

Assistant State’s Attorney Bernie de la Rionda violated a court order last week by listing the names of 12 people whom the State intends to call as witnesses at George Zimmerman’s trial.

Rene Stutzman described the screw-up in the Orlando Sentinel today .

De la Rionda delivered a new set of evidence to defense attorneys Nov. 8, and he prepared a summary sheet and delivered it to the Seminole County Courthouse.

Normally, he prepares two sets of summary sheets, one for defense attorneys that includes witness names and other protected information, and a second for the public that goes into the courthouse file. It typically identifies witnesses by number — for example, witness 17.

But on Nov. 8 de la Rionda filed the summary sheet that included witness names in the courthouse file, where anyone is free to look at it.

It lists nearly a dozen new witnesses. None is expected to be a major figure at George Zimmerman’s second-degree-murder trial. They include several of his neighbors and two black Sanford community leaders who were at a U.S. Department of Justice meeting several months ago.

When I first heard about this today, I decided not to write about it because it did not seem very important.

However, this is the second time he screwed-up. The first time was when he publicized Zimmerman’s woeful academic performance by mistake.

Mark O’Mara is not without sin here either because he was basically responsible for permitting the sexual molestation allegations by W9 against Zimmerman to be publicized hurting Zimmerman in the process.

Gentlemen: Enough is enough.

You are looking incompetent and stupid.

This is not difficult.

If you cannot handle simple stuff like this, how do you expect to get through the trial without making major errors.

The people and George Zimmerman deserve better than this.

Time to get your shit together.

The whole world is watching.

EDIT: Changed W8 to W9. Guess I better get my shit together.

170 Responses to Zimmerman: Prosecution and Defense Counsel Need to Stop the Stupid Mistakes

  1. Malisha says:

    I’m looking at this language from Serino, referring to his activities of the evening of 2/26/2012:

    “I then interviewed Officer T. Smith, who was the first officer on scene. […] He stated that Zimmerman’s facial area was bloodied, and the posterior of his clothing was soiled with wet grass, indicative of having recently been on his back on the grass. […] Officer Smith overheard Zimmerman state “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me,” as he was being treated for his injuries by Sanford Fire Rescue personnel.

    Now, if I am not mistaken, the quoted “somebody help me” language was noted by Ayala in his report. I don’t remember seeing it in anybody else’s report, correct me if I’m wrong. Also, I don’t like this funny language Serino is using here, which is more stilted and “taking dictation-like” than the language he ordinarily uses. “Zimmerman’s facial area was bloodied” is a bit “distanced” when what Serino was saying might have been, “Zimmerman had a bloody nose.” Also, “the posterior of his clothing was soiled with wet grass” is a bit much for “He had wet grass on the back of his [jacket? jeans? what?]” isn’t it?

    “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me,” is now third-hand hearsay (George to Smith to Serino) so why is it even IN the report?

    Now I am thinking that what O’Mara hopes to do with Serino’s deposition is make it look like Serino is not an honest reporter, so that everything HE says can be attacked. Of course, what HE says doesn’t matter. It is the tape recording of what George said TO HIM in answer to his questions that will count.

    O’Mara is still on his “I am proving they should not have charged George with a crime” hunt rather than doing trial prep.

    I am sure Judge Nelson knows that “He should not have been charged” is not a winning ticket. Get real. HE * WAS * CHARGED. So what shouldn’ta happened doesn’ta count. Show us how the prosecution’s case for Murder 2 isn’t right and then you can grumble about how he shouldn’ta been charged.

    • racerrodig says:

      “O’Mara is still on his “I am proving they should not have charged George with a crime” hunt rather than doing trial prep.”

      Moron O’ Mara couldn’t prove 1 + 1 = 2, how the hell will he prove Z shouldn’t be charged.

      He still claims it is undisputed his clients nose was broken.

      Note to Mark…..”…always tell the truth….juries like that”

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        MOM is saying that now, but I’ll bet he won’t say it in front of the jury!
        With no GZ trace on TM’s hands, he’d be a fool to call attention to it by citing a nose that was only “likely” broken and cannot be proven to either be broken or caused by Trayvon. It will only make him seem desperately grasping at straws in the wind for a defense.

        In front of the jury he’ll have to clam up and tread very carefully. He’ll have to stick to trying to discredit the prosecution witnesses, in an effort to garner enough of a collection of points he can build a summation around. If he wades in with impunity he’ll carelessly open doors, only to have them slammed shut in his face, then his summation will look like he’s quoting from comic strips.

    • Jun says:

      Smith is gonna look like a liar because if George’s jacket was soiled by wet grass, there should be mud and grass smears and in bright light, there were no such stains and Smith or Serino cant even mention what George stated for the screaming as that is hearsay and i dont believe it is an excited utterance or present sense impression statement. I dont feel Omara should tread on the bloody face aspect because Trayvon had no blood at all from George on his hands or sleeves or in any large amounts on Trayvon’s clothing except for maybe a mini droplet, which is not consistent or possible for anyone assailing George hence Trayvon was not the assailant.

      LMAO I also agree the he should not be charged mess will not work because its beyond even a shadow of a doubt he killed this kid and he also was stalking the kid beforehand with an ill will and angry intention with hate as the phone call provides motive and opportunity for George

    • racerrodig says:

      “O’Mara is still on his “I am proving they should not have charged George with a crime” hunt rather than doing trial prep.”

      So many interviews to do and soooooooooooo little time. (Big Sigh)

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        That’s because GZ, on Hannity, disavowed his own defense by stating on the air, that he was never in fear for his life that night!
        That being so, there is absolutely no defense to put on. MOM is just marking time and holding the spotlight as long as he can, in hopes that more money will come in. What else can he do? GZ has cut the legs out from under anything he might try to do.

        MOM is going to go on practicing law, and this case will be his “photo on the wall” moment for his practice. Some clients will be impressed, some will be unimpressed and some clients will be frightened by it. GZ, meanwhile, will be sitting in a jail cell, trying to make peace with his fellow inmates. Unfortunately some of those fellow inmates are clever fellows who will manipulate poor GZ into some pretty terrible situations for their own gain if they can. Simply because that’s what they do. If GZ survives that and gets to work in the law library, he may find a comfortable niche as a jail house lawyer of sorts. Being a liar doesn’t preclude it, and in fact, because it is the nature of law to entertain most reasonable possibilities, being a liar actually helps in that effort. Though I sincerely doubt he has the mental acuity to actually find the winning node in any case he’s likely to handle, jail house lawyers hold out hope to people more ignorant than themselves, and thus earn mega respect among the inmate population, even if they never win a case.

        Unfortunately, for GZ’s proclivity to “find the easy way out” and rely on stupidity, he’s much more likely to land a job in the laundry, but no, I’ve read that inmate pay to get jobs in the prison laundry because they can do favors and earn on the side there, same with work in the kitchen. So, the most likely job he’ll get is yard gang work. Sweeping the yard and putting away workout and sports equipment, or work on one of the sanitation gangs. He’s got a long boring life ahead of him, I doubt MO or FT will come to visit and even Shelie will move along after a few months.

        In short, his future doesn’t look bright at all. MOM needs to start right now putting together a prison reading list for him. I’ve read that some guy in NYC has started a company that prepares CEO’s and company executives for their jail sentences, but GZ isn’t at that level and probably won’t merit being put in one of those “Country Club” prison-by-honor facilities that the big boys go to. But that said, it shouldn’t be too hard to google up a good reading list for George to prepare him for his new life. Maybe he can start a Cell Block Watch program?

        • jm says:

          Do you think GZ will survive in prison. He killed a black teen, lied about the circumstances, blaming him for his own death, maligned the teen’s family and received money from racists to support him.

          I think GZ will received payback violence in prison unless he is kept solitary from the rest of the inmates.

          • racerrodig says:

            Amazingly, most inmates have a serious problem with all child killers. Tack on a black kid to boot and his lies. Compared to many in prison, Z was almost the “Golden Child” and was more privileged than many. He’ll wind up like Dahmer is my prediction.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            They probably won’t kill him, just keep his life miserable. They’ll beat him, injure him and keep him living in fear for a very long time. Because they know he’s a coward and cowards suffer greatly and only wish they were dead. They rarely kill cowards in prison because they find them amusing and they need that to pass their time. George will probably get in lots of fights and become crippled.
            He’ll be well known to the prison medical staff as he seeks to hide out in the hospital and medicate himself to oblivion. Think of it as hell on earth.

        • racerrodig says:

          “……….um Warden,this is Cheorge again…..ok,I’ll wait. “….Okay, well, …..um, there’s been a lot of pillow theft up here on cell block #9 and …..um….(sound of hysteria in background) ……well, there are some real suspicious black guys here. Okay. um……..can I follow them……sure….but not very far”

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Warden: Where are you now George?

            George: I don’t know, I can’t see the cell number!

            Warden: Where do you want an officer to meet you?

            George: Well I’m in cell… I don’t want to give the whole thing out
            I don’t know where the pillow snatcher is at!

            Warden: Do you still want an officer to meet you?

            George: Yeah, could you have them call me?

            :::>” You got a problem homie?””You do now!<:::: POW, THUMP, WHACK!

            Nurse: Okay, what is it this time George? Gee, you don't look so good, this Cell Watch thing is getting too you!

          • racerrodig says:

            Sheeessh ! I guess you showed me up !! And man….are you
            good !!!

          • jm says:

            LOL You are all good at making GZ look like the fool he truly is. You have to admit he does supply good material for y’all to work with.

          • racerrodig says:

            I wonder if this mental midget ever imagined he’d be the joke of the decade ? I’ll bet he still thinks he’s somebody of stature.

          • jm says:

            “I wonder if this mental midget ever imagined he’d be the joke of the decade ? I’ll bet he still thinks he’s somebody of stature.”

            From the looks of his obese body and ever-blinking eyes I think he may have had a rude awakening of what an ugly joke he has become. If not, he is too medicated to recognize it and remains delusional.

          • racerrodig says:

            At least that stupid smirk is gone. He better stay medicated, it’s his only chance of survival.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Well as far as a statue he’s got the pigeon poop part down pat. Oh wait… you said stature, my bad.

          • racerrodig says:

            It’s OKAY…….When I stop laughing………there, now I’m okay.

  2. Malisha says:

    Nemerinys, thank you. This merits some real analysis. Again, so much, but that is so good. “The Talmudic study of the Zimmerman case,” a title for a book?

  3. Brown says:

    Love your post!!! Sometimes I like the quick kill depending on my prey. But most of the time the latter is the best. leaving them alive wondering what the hell just happen.

  4. This is part of Serino’s written report in it he says when he called the Assistant State Attorney.

    * interesting points in the time line.
    1. info he gets from T.Smith
    2. when he calls the state attorney
    3. John’s story

    He arrived on scene at approx 2000 hours. {8:00 pm}

    And first he MEETS with SPD Ricardo Ayala who produced the preliminary report. Officer Ayala BRIEFED him as to the KNOWN circumstances.
    So, my point about this is timing. And Serino getting the “KNOWN circumstances” from the SPD Ayala and Smith who was the first on there. Smith told him GZ was bloodied and his posterior of “clothing was soiled with wet grass, indicative of having recently been on his BACK on the grass.” Smith—– blacked out—-four lines of Smith’s report are blacked out.
    then Serio continues….
    “I was also informed that statements made by Zimmerman on scene to Officer Smith were corroborated by SEVERAL witnesses, and led to the possibility of this shooting having been in self-defense.”

    @ 2020 hours {8:20 pm} he calls Medical Examiner T Clark to come over to the scene.

    Then he starts his 3 interviews at 2030 hours {8:30 pm}.

    #1 witness, is a guy who says he heard commotion and 2 pops coming from the area behind his house. Upon exiting his residence to investigate he encountered a white male, established to be GZ.—–blank——blank——stated he did not witness the sequence of events which led up to the confrontation between GZ and Trayvon.

    #2 witness @ 2055 hour {8:55 pm} Is the lady in her bedroom, who heard “loud voices” coming from outside behind her house….commotion sounded like arguing. She then stated she from her bedroom window, observed two men on the ground, and she heard someone yelling ‘help, help’ She then heard a pop noise and then saw the decedent laying on the ground motionless, and the other male, who she described as “larger” and “hispanic looking”, standing over the decedent. …she did not see how the fight started.

    #3 witness @ 2105 hours { 9:05 pm}, John.
    {*this is John’s FIRST interview when he says at a 30 ft. distance and directly in front of his eyes} he observed the black male, with a hoodie, mounted on top of the white or Hispanic male, throwing punches MMA style. He then yelled he was gonna call the cops. Then he heard a pop. after the pop he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other guy (the black male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass. Upon inquiry ‘john’ stated he didn’t see the confrontation started, and he could not positively identify either one due to the lighting conditions. John said he was in his living room at the onset of the commotion, and looked out of his sliding glass door, which placed him approx 30 ft directly in front from the altercation was taking place.

    John’s written statement reads as follows:
    I heard yelling out back in grass area of home but not sure at first but after second “help” yell i opened blinds, and saw clothing but everything dark outside. I opened door and saw a guy on the ground getting hit by another man on top of him in straddle (sic) position hitting a guy in red sweatshirt or on the bottom getting hit was yelling help ( guy getting hit on ground was wearing red calling out help ). I said i was calling the cops and ran upstairs then heard a gunshot. When i got upstairs i saw the guy on top who was hitting the guy in the red laid out on the grass as if he had been shot. I also saw the guy in red standing near end of sidewalk where a guy with flashlight probably neighbour was talking to him asking what happened.

    Then he says he @ 2130 hours {9:30 pm} VCME office Investigator Tera Clark arrived on scene and took jurisdiction over Trayvon.
    There’s lots of blacked out info.—–whole page.
    —–black————–
    —————————black——–

    Then @ approximately 2345 hours {11:45 pm} i spoke with Assistant State Attorney Kelly Jo Hines and apprised her of the circumstances surrounding this case. the whole page is all blacked out————-ALL BLACK——
    ——-BLACK ——WHOLE BUNCH OF BLACK———————they must of ran out of BLACK b/c there’s NO more we can read from Serino until the next day when he goes to tell Tracy where his baby is.

    So, I’m having a few issues with John here. He has so much detail of what’s going on (but more explicitly what TM is doing) out there in the dark, in the rain and from what seems to him like practically miles-like distance, a whole 30 feet! But from directly outside his back door, the one he’s standing at and looking out. Apparently he can totally see Trayvon beating up poor GZ and poor GZ is the one screaming for help and that GZ is clearly wearing the red, GZ is clearly white-ish, while Trayvon is clearly black-ish! And Trayvon is doing all the punching, and he can tell that TM is doing it all MMA style. He’s so clear about all that. But then, yet he can clothing but everything is so dark. He doesn’t know who it is with the flashlight, but ‘clearly’ it’s a neighbor asking what’s going on around here! But then again, he couldn’t possibly identify either one of them due to the dark… c’mon?! WTF? is he for real?
    But then of course there’s his 2nd and other statements later on when he claims he couldn’t even tell if ANYONE was swinging on anyone or who if anyone was on top or the bottom. That’s just the beginning of my issues with John. He’s gotta come clean and he better do it NOW, because if not he better get his ass locked up for the lies.

    • whonoze says:

      Serino says he interviewed T. Smith, but T. Smith left RATL BEFORE Serino got there, as it was T. Smith who escorted GZ to SPD. So either Serino interviewed him by phone/radio or he fudged that part of the report about receiving info from Smith, at least at that time. If Serino did do a remote voice interview with Smith, by that time Smith may have heard the gist of GZ’s story, since he (Smith) was observing as GZ spoke to Singleton…

      • nemerinys says:

        whonoze,

        Both you and LLMPapa noted discrepancies in Serino’s reports in an old comment thread, and it got me looking more closely at those reports (with a little push from O’Mara’s disclosure of the Santiago testimony).

        In the capias, Serino wrote, “I was notified of a shooting with injuries event by the Seminole County Communications Center […],” yet in an earlier report he wrote, “On 02/26/2012 at approximately 1935 hours I was contacted by Officer T. Smith in reference to responding to Retreat Twin Lakes to process a homicide scene.” After which he writes that he was met at the scene by Ricardo Ayala and Jonathan Mead – and Mead was familiar with Zimmerman and his being part of NW. In the capias, Serino just mentions meeting with Ayala.

        In the earlier report, Serino wrote, “I responded to the Sanford Police Department on 01/26/2012 [sic] at approximately 2315 hours and met with Officer T. Smith.” Yet in the capias, he wrote, after meeting with Ayala,

        “I then interviewed Officer T. Smith, who was the first officer on scene. […] He stated that Zimmerman’s facial area was bloodied, and the posterior of his clothing was soiled with wet grass, indicative of having recently been on his back on the grass. […] Officer Smith overheard Zimmerman state “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me,” as he was being treated for his injuries by Sanford Fire Rescue personnel.

        “I was also informed that statements made by Zimmerman on scene to Officer T. Smith were corroborated by several witnesses, and led to the possibility of this shooting having been in self-defense. Written statements were obtained from [redacted]. Audio recorded statements from these witnesses were conducted at a later date (referred to later in this narrative).”

        There are two discrepancies that really intrigue me. First, in the capias Serino wrote that he interviewed three witnesses (later identified, in order, as W13, W18, and then W6). While he noted the correct interview times with the first two, he wrote the wrong time with W6 by implying that this was the last witness he spoke with that night, at “2105 hours.” Yet, according to the audio, W6 was the first witness Serino interviewed, at 8:12.

        The second discrepancy is, again in the capias, Serino wrote, “After I learned from Lieutenant Taylor that George Zimmerman had been transported to the Sanford Police Department, I requested Inv. Doris Singleton respond to the police station in order to interview Zimmerman. I contacted Inv. Singleton, informed her of the apparent nature of this matter […]” And yet Singleton herself, in her interview with FDLE, notes that, “Sgt. Santiago had called and told her to respond to the scene. While she was en route, Santiago told her that Zimmerman was at the station and to go there. Officer Smith told her that Zimmerman was the shooter and it was a possible self defense case. Singleton talked with Det. Serino who asked her to get a statement from Zimmerman and she did.”

        I’m still trying to figure out why Narcotics Sgt. Santiago was involved to begin with, and why he wanted Narcotics Investigator Singleton to handle the Zimmerman interview although Serino was already tasked as the Major Crimes investigator. As it is, Singleton arrived at the station at 8:09, and Santiago went to the scene, signing in at 8:20.

        One last little tidbit that bugs me. I simply do not believe that it is commonplace for the police chief to go to the scene of every homicide that takes place; Sanford is not a small town. And with that, I find it interesting that Chief Bill Lee, Captain Robert O’Connor, and Public Information Officer Dave Morgenstern all signed in on scene at 8:40. I mean, c’mon, the PIO?? And all three coming in together?

        Oh, just one thing more. I’m curious why then-Sergeant Randy Smith, Serino’s boss, was one of the seemingly few SPD officers, not to appear at the scene, nor is he mentioned anywhere in the reports, except his signature on the capias.

        A horribly long comment, I know, but I just wanted to post the information.

    • Brown says:

      @Shannon

      I have this in my files, not heavily redacted. Thought this could be some help for you or just for your files.
      ; ^ )

      If I find anymore in files will post for you.

  5. whonoze says:

    “We have to stay positive if we really expect the right thing to happen here.”

    Hmm, that seems a bit new-agey. What happens is likely to have nothing to do with the attitude on the Leatherman Blog.

    ” We can’t believe the entire system is gonna part the red sea for stupid freakin GZ!”

    Well, tru dat. GZ’s just a pawn. But, IMHO, the story here has always been the racism of the SPD and SAO Wolfinger along with their ties to the NRA and it’s psycho SYG law. And yes, I can believe the system is gonna part the Everglades for the NRA and the Tea Party administration of Rick Scott.

    Right now, i think Scott wants Zimmy to go down to take the public eye off the voter manipulation he tried to pull by creating 8 hour lines in minority districts on election day. But with MOM digging into the role of the SPD and the State in letting GZ go to begin with — he’s deposing Timothy Smith and Randy Smith first — the Powers That Be might have to shut this whole circus down lest they face a cover-up scandal.

    But then again, unless Bill Lee or Norm Wolfinger were sending naughty e-mails to Jill Kelley (or vice versa), maybe no one will care…

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Rick Scott has to be very worried because his state wasn’t pivotal in this years elections. The power in the party the tea party used to have has been eviscerated. If Rick wants to keep his job, he can’t rely on the far right anymore, he has to move much closer to center.
      The right wing media megaphone is in shambles and ripe for being dismantled. If he’s going to retain office this case is his best chance to reach lots of people with a new picture of himself.

    • Whonoze,
      i agree about the cops and t don’t think the blogs are going to have a direct effect on the case’s out come. I just think both sides will use the social media in some of the same ways the CA case did. And i didn’t mean to sound new-agey – i don’t believe in that shit either! But every time some ‘bad news’ hits the media everyone goes ballistic and thinks GZ is gonna get away. And yes, it does fuck up the moral. But unless there is some resemblance of REAL evidence that proves GZ’s story(s) is true, the case against GZ is NOT doomed! Irregardless of whatever small mistakes happen on either side there is still no evidence supporting his lies, therefore nothing has actually changed!

      Ol BillLee bob and Norm have been dealt with somewhat by the higher ups *the powers that be* already. If they were so important why aren’t they still in charge? Scott doesn’t seem to be kissing their asses and neither is the the NRA or repubs. They are gone!

      BTW. I looked up Tim Smith the other day.
      i was looking at GZ’s 50 million police reports the other day and noticed that Tim Smith was the officer responding to GZ’s calls the last 3 (three) times, 4 including the very last one when GZ called on Trayvon! SO in less than 30 days TIM SMITH came to the last 4 calls GZ made!!! IIRC they were all based on the premise of the so-called-brake ins and no action was taken. Now that seems interesting to me. Why did Tim Smith come at GZ’s beckon calls?

      Tim Smith played a big role in Serino’s initial investigation that night and Serinos’ report was based almost entirely on T.Smith! I’ll post some of it below. I think this is why Omar is interested in T.Smith!
      I hope you can understand what i wrote, it was just my notes.

      • Xena says:

        SO in less than 30 days TIM SMITH came to the last 4 calls GZ made!!! IIRC they were all based on the premise of the so-called-brake ins and no action was taken.

        GZ’s last 4 calls only included one about a “suspicious person” — the one outside of Taaffe’s house on 2/2/12. Those prior to that were;
        1/29/12 – kids playing in the street
        12/10/11 – a man who served at GZ’s graduation party who expected to be paid.
        10/1/11 – Guys loitering at the gate
        9/23/11 – An open garage door

        Any calls made to the police about or reporting break-ins were done by others. By GZ organizing NW and being its captain, it gave him opportunity to stay in contact with the police about the status of those reports but he, GZ, was not the party who actually called in with info or saw anything.

      • Xena, right! I confused myself with all the calls! It was the last three calls in a row T, Smith came. ( the last 2 was Trayvon and the reference to break ins)

        the 4 before those were not Tim Smith. but did mention the *S21*

        1) 39th call, Aug,3,2011 .S21s about the black male he suspects has been doing the S21s.

        2) 40th call about the subjects 2 black males, late teens. have been doing the S21Ring in area, will run into the subdivision next door

        3) 41st call about garage door, and concerned by recent S21R in area. day after neighborhood watch meeting.

        4) 42nd call about the 2 black males loitering appox 20-30 y.o doesn’t recognize car or subjects. concerned about resent S21s in area.

        It was the last 3 you mention when Tim Smith came. It was the 4 calls in a row before that GZ called and mentioned recent break ins then there were calls 43, 44, 45 and 46/47 were Trayvon.

    • Brown says:

      Whonoze, have you had a little time to check audio? Hmmm , gentle nudge gentle nudge

  6. while we’re all Florida bashing today i decided to point out a few little mentioned facts that may calm some nerves. BTW, i happen to appreciate the Sunshine law and think the rest of the country should get up to speed! Then maybe we could all find out about and bitch about the mistakes their respective states make too.

    Florida has the 4th largest population, with about 20 million peeps. (1.California 2.Texas. 3.New York)
    So, it’s not unreasonable to assume there would be more crime and more criminals to prosecute. It’s also safe to assume there will be more trials and more convictions and more reversals and more mistakes. But at least we are able to observe and complain when something goes wrong.

    Florida is also the most visited destination in the whole freaken world. We live and die by tourism. And those tourists better feel safe! So yes, the world’s eyes are on Florida and millions of people are watching this case. And b/c everything is so public and all the mistakes are on display, including the gun laws here, i don’t think it’s reasonable that the state of Florida is purposely risking the entire economy and perceived public safety for the likes of a murdering moron and some hick cops in Sanford!

    We have to stay positive if we really expect the right thing to happen here. We can’t believe the entire system is gonna part the red sea for stupid freakin GZ! He really is NOT special! He’s an ordinary murderer who killed an extraordinary 17 year old, innocent boy, and that’s why we all know about GZ!

    • Jun says:

      I am fairly sure the last message they want to send is…

      get this…

      Mentally unbalanced white hispanics are allowed to target, disparage, stalk, chase, and pursue and confrontation with you and claim self defense…

      At least with Casey Anthony they could not place her at the scene of a murder, even though there was a lot of hearsay from Jose Baez, and it is bad enough the precedent he set forth…

      This case they have 200% proof George stalked and killed this boy

      • YOU ARE CORRECT. Florida still is a swamp of evil.

      • Jun says:

        I dont feel Florida is that bad

        Montanez, got jooked when he tried to claim self defense when he killed Glen Rich and he got 35

        You’re really pessimistic

        I can understand being real but when it comes down to it, what exactly does George have?

        The only way he could ever get off is if he had corrupt and heartless jurors who felt a young boy needed to die when in actuality the killer was never in any danger of death or great bodily harm, as well as the killer being the person to instigate the unnecessary confrontation

        If George even manages to get jurors like that on, George would be retried and under law, the state would be allowed because the trial is based on fraud

        A real trial is based on having objective jurors who weigh it evenly like this picture

        They have to treat both parties fair and objectively and only real facts are allowed in a trial

        In reality, even the murderers of Emmett Till could be retried since their trial was based on fraud and their lies, hence they were never in jeopardy, therefore, double jeopardy does not apply

        Relax, George is not going anywhere, and he would need to prove his allegations in court due to the fact Trayvon has rights too, and he gets extra rights since he is simply a minor

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, I believe G.Z’S intentions from the outset was that he had every intention of killing this kid. you can hear him readying his gun from the moment he stepped out of his vehicle. I also believe that Taaffe and Osterman as well as John were involved in this murder as well. who was behind the wheel of the vehicle that tore out of the complex like a bat out of hell, right after the shot was fired? I honestly believe it was Osterman and, Taaffe could have very well been in the vehicle with him. I think it’s very shameful to know that some whites in this country are supporting this lump of nothing just because he killed an AA kid. I have seen some terrible things written about this child on other sites, that should not be allowed to post any where. they have sniffed out sites that I never knew exited and are spewing their hate speech there as well. they are every where and, I think it’s wrong for these blog sites to allow people to publish anything they want to, no matter how ugly their text may be. You Tube for one is guilty of this, as well as HP and others. they don’t care that these comments are hurtful to Trayvon’s family and friends, as well as the AA race as a whole. these people can support this “MURDERER OF A CHILD” all they want to but, this smearing and trashing of this kid and his family is wrong and unnecessary. this is the “ONLY” child murder victim and there have been many in this country but, Trayvon is the “ONLY” one to ever be trashed by some in this country. it really hurts me to my heart to see this stuff being posted on these sites and I can just imagine how his family and friends feel when they see it. I thought people in this country was above such as this.

      • @ladyStClare, The victim bashing is unprecedented. Not only are they referring to a dead 17 y.o. kid, but they are attacking him with blatant racist insults and using it to justify theirs and GZ’s behavior! This kinda stuff is unheard of, at least by the mainstream! I’ve only heard these types of comments in movies. I was equally horrified when i first saw the trash on the Orlando Sentinel forums they allowed! I couldn’t believe it, it was shocking to the system and heart. All i could think was it could of been my son! who are these people? Where are these people? I want them to show themselves- this must be some kind of sick trick, it’s not real… But it is. They are out there. Not en mass and not out in front of our eyes wearing a sign identifying themselves (like they should be), but they are hiding behind thier screen names. I’ve grown a little tougher skin since the first few weeks, but my eyes are open and I will not stand for it! We all have to make it stop by whatever means necessary.

        We should start a gang. we could call it the Gray Panthers! Get it, black and white mixed together!! LOL or the Beige Panthers!

      • Xena says:

        We should start a gang. we could call it the Gray Panthers! Get it, black and white mixed together!! LOL or the Beige Panthers!

        Oh. I thought you were referring to hair. 🙂

      • ladystclaire says:

        @shannoninmiami, I am all for us starting a group to combat all of this trashing and disrespect of Trayvon. no matter how black his skin may have been, “HE WAS STILL AN INNOCENT CHILD!” these people are free to show case their ignorance and hate all they want to but, they have no right to trash this poor baby and his family. GOD forbid that, the Martin/Fulton grief and mourning today could very well be theirs tomorrow. I am a firm believer in, what goes around comes around and, there but by the grace of GOD go I. these people had better get their morally bankrupt souls right with the LORD or,they might very well find themselves going through something just like what the family of this sweet sweet child’s family are going through. the only difference would be that, they won’t have the kind of support that the Martin/Fulton family have. also, these web sites need to stop allowing this kind of thing to continue on their sites. it only makes them look as bad as those who are posting their hate filled shit.

        • Xena says:

          I am a firm believer in, what goes around comes around and, there but by the grace of GOD go I. these people had better get their morally bankrupt souls right with the LORD…

          Preach it! I too believe in reaping and sowing and that negative doesn’t result in positive. It doesn’t take a religious belief to know that if you plant onions, you get onions; if you plant tomatoes, you get tomatoes. That’s a natural law.

          The Zidiots sent out negative energy since the beginning and we see where that has gotten George and ShelLIE. They can’t plant onions and expect for it to produce a palm tree for George to sit under.

          It was not until I saw his re-enactment that I recognized George has nothing but negative energy. Then what happened with his parents, siblings, Taaffe, ShelLIE, and the Ostermans proves that George is toxic to everyone who supports him. He’s the type of person you take a few steps from when he opens his mouth so you get out of the way of the lightning.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I know that what they’re saying is objectionable, but I wouldn’t shut them down. That would only mean that we can’t read what they’re about, and not that they don’t exist anymore. They are “tagging” themselves, let them do it. We lost free access to usenet because people began screaming about the objectionable things being posted there. It has done nothing to stop the objectionable activities, but it has taken them out of sight, such that one can now imagine that such things do not exist anymore.

            No, let them keep posting because we need to be able to show what we’re talking about. We need this evidence, we need these examples for others to see. Otherwise it would be unbelievable that people could be so mean spirited and/or stupid, uncaring, unfeeling and racist.

            I’d be willing to bet that until this case brought many people to those very boards, they had no idea that this kind of thinking was really out there. They probably thought it was just the stuff of novels or the cache of the past.

            It would be very nice if the skin did not show distress, but then how would one know if they had an infection? Free speech makes it possible for us to speak freely, it also makes it possible for others to inform us of their mental problems. Otherwise how would we know these problems exist? How would we go about proving it? How would we convince others that such people are so mindlessly venomous?

            No, I don’t think it’s useful to try to make of the internet a “Gingerbread town”.

          • cielo62 says:

            Ah! Twinkles! I always used to say, back when I was a philosophy major, that Life is like a Twinkie; it’s filled with something but we’re not sure what it is! So sorrowful to see such a large anchor of my childhood go under! My favorite were the HoHos. 😦

            Sent from my iPod

          • Xena says:

            No, let them keep posting because we need to be able to show what we’re talking about. We need this evidence, we need these examples for others to see. Otherwise it would be unbelievable that people could be so mean spirited and/or stupid, uncaring, unfeeling and racist.

            I agree Lonnie, but I suppose my foundation comes from a spirituality of believing in positive and negative energy. For Zimmerman’s supporters, when they send out curses against Trayvon, his parents, attorneys, activists, and the Black race, they reap curses. The same is true for Junior. Curses do not reap blessings.

            George Zimmerman is guilty of killing an unarmed 17 yr old, 11th grader who was walking home from the store. Now with the lab reports, we know that Trayvon did not touch Zimmerman. Zimmerman is a liar. That’s truth. Zimmerman is aggressive. That’s truth. Zimmerman was angry, frustrated, and determined to confront Trayvon and got out of his vehicle to do so. That’s truth.

            Truth is positive energy.

        • racerrodig says:

          Count me in. I say we all use as many different names as the sock puppets do on other sites and chase them off by sheer numbers.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Right you are Shannon. We are supposed to be a nation by the people etc., and our courts and government are supposed to be open to public inspection. How else can we ensure fairness, honesty and improvement? Of course, once people are put into positions of power, they tend not to want to be challenged, so they contrive to shut people out by any means possible. They don’t want people looking over their shoulders, they don’t want to have their mistakes observed, because they want to preserve an impression that they are infallible. So this is what “we the people” are in constant danger of falling for! Every time we fall for it, we come another step closer to rule by divine right!

      • Lonnie you said something a few days back that i cannot stop thinking about. I got so freaked out that i stopped posting for awhile too. Ok, for a few days. lol! I spent some time looking into it and found some info you might be interested in if you haven’t seen it. Now that you’re back I’m gonna go find it and re-post it today. I think we need to address it more.

  7. Ezz-Thetic says:

    Bernie de la Rionda inspires anti-confidence.

  8. Jun says:

    I do agree that both sides need to get their act together as we have seen some major blunders, mainly from Omara.

    • EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

      Well jun I already did. In April 2012. Also, I went a step further and contacted Trayvon martins mother whom my former church is affiliated with. I left Fl for a while. By the way I contacted mr. Parks the attorney for the Martin Family. so I laugh because this is the old boys game in Florida. All they do is play legal games with victims to keep there jobs. By the way my former significant other is a police officer and dealt with the state attorneys and police corruption. Just listening to him and how frustrating it is not to be able to speak out on a lot of things. Well I will.

      I can see what is happening and I care. No murdered child should have suffered what this young boy went through. It will take God to pull the sheets off the corrupt Sanford Police Dept. I remember back in the early 80s murder of innocent people meant something to the police and state. Now they cover each other and get there retirement and lie to keep there buddies out of jail. look at that jack leg black city commission who got his retirement and gone. He even said Zimmerman murdered Trayvon then he said it was a mis statement on the al Sharpton show live in Sanford. Zimmerman’s father is well connected.

      • Jun says:

        I dont feel Robert Zimmerman Sr is truly that connected. If he was there would be no charges or trial. He only knew a few people here and there. Me personally, I can see him getting indicted on perjury during a murder trial and obstruction of justice. This case is also made very public so he can’t hide anything.

      • racerrodig says:

        His da da is connected in military circles but they won’t cross lines here. The “I’m a magistrate and a friend from way back with Wolfinger” only got them so far. The unemployed in disgraced Wolfinger that is.
        If this had gotten quashed in March, they had a shot of getting away with it, but not now. The backlash will be far to great.

      • RZsr. IS NOT connected anymore! He sure thought he was and wanted everyone believe he was, and GZ did too. And I thought he was too early on in the case- UNTIL i got information from an extremely reliable source, professionally involved in the case. This is part of a direct quote. ” Robert Zimmerman isn’t who you think he is. Information has come to light during this case that he is a heavy drinker, a wife abuser and well known at the casinos and gambling boats in Florida.”
        This info isn’t often publicly discussed for the same reasons no one discusses Robert Jr.’s homosexuality, because it’s not relevant to the crime. That’s why it i believe it’s true because of who said it and why it’s not part of the discussions in polite company. People on Trayvon’s side are not about stooping to GZ’s level of name calling and trash talking.

        GZ threw his fathers’ past position into every situation he found himself. But it only got him a short *reprieve* with the local yokels. It’s way outta the locals control now, and far from GZ’s father’s grasp.

        You can hear the desperation in his (Robert Sr) tone during the meeting *he asked for* with the cops. His pathetic attempt to assert his delusions of authority got him NOWHERE and NO RESPECT! He sounded like a complete idiot! He was arrogant and frustrated because he knew he had no control. Just like GZ got when he got a look at Trayvon! They gave Robert, what a whole 6 minutes of thier time to give his stupid request to make everything go away, and that’s it. He sat there waiting for them to question him, to show him some sort of reverence, regard and/or some sense of relief ya know? but it never happened. They dismissed him. That’s what happens when you think you’re entitled to special treatment and don’t get what you want. You end up even more arrogant, delusional, angry and desperate!

      • ladystclaire says:

        @shannonimmiami, I don’t know why but, I had a feeling that RZ senior was a wife abuser. it’s just something about him that made me come to that conclusion the first time I laid my eyes on him. one thing for sure, George learned all of his bad behavior at his father’s knee. something tells me that, he and his wife aren’t even living together or, at least they weren’t at the time George committed his murder of Trayvon.

  9. Jun says:

    I doubt they are trying to make George walk. I think some yall are a bit too paranoid. All of Corey’s cases would come under scrutiny and fire and be retried if that were the case and Florida would become that much more dangerous and new precedents set, which would be that forensic evidence dont mean anything anymore, impeachment does not mean anything anymore, credibility would mean nothing anymore. We have a case where all the evidence supports each other and authenticates it.

    For example

    George’s lack of any injury supports the witnesses not seeing any hitting and some struggling and wrestling, why witness 6 gave 3 different stories because he wasnt sure but clarified he never heard any hitting and was more likely seeing wrestling like he stated in his first call, which supports the credibility of George waning, which supports the idea of staging, which supports why Trayvon had no forensic evidence that he even hit George at all although he would be justified under law

    Judge Nelson is not going to risk her career and other judgements because of George.

    From what I read, whoever prepared the document for the court made a simple mistake and for whatever reason, none of the witness numbers were given away but George’s actual neighbors from 1950 and some DOJ officers were released, which really has no effect on the whole case.

    • EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

      No paranoia here. It is my opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs. I ve seen case after case in Florida how the state fumbled many cases and Ms. Corey needs to remove Betnie and find someone else. He does not seem to change strategy when the time calls for it. He needs to think like a criminal defense attorney and also a prosecutor. Get star jones and wendy murphy they know how and when shift under any circumstances. This is my opinion.

      We haven’t seen all the evidence and so we are basically surmising in the dark. We have a right to do so.

      • Jun says:

        Well you worry obviously because you care, so why not call Corey’s office, fax her or email her, and let her know how you feel and your concerns. It may ease your mind and heart if you get an answer from her. Just make a privacy agreement between yall.

      • Jun says:

        IMO though, Bernie’s heart seems to be in the right place, but in your perception you believe he screwed up a bit. Let the state’s office know that you care about the case and are concerned with a couple things. There’s nothing wrong with criticism but at the same time, there may be things me and you may not know about law in Florida, which is why it is handled the way it is. Of course Bernie did make 2 clerical errors, in the release of George’s school records and just a few of the names. I personally feel it is good that Bernie is jumpy because it says to me that he is ready to pounce, especially for objections because I foresee a lot of objections to hearsay and leading.

  10. Fred~~ “I am going to write about cannibals today. Just don’t cook he or she like we do our lobster and plunge him in the big stew pot head first. Did you have any human in mind for our feast?

  11. PYorck says:

    If you wonder what ca. 5.6 m/s running looks like, this may help.

  12. Lynn says:

    @jbmission is so right about Florida.

    “When it comes to “mistakes” in the state of Florida — Since October 2012, Florida leads the nation in the most exonerated death row inmates.”

    http://tinyurl.com/d376t4f

    This murder happened down the block from my workplace in 2007. Woman was stabbed, beaten, strangled and raped by a man released 15 months earlier from serving 20 of 30 years for a previous rape. DNA proof and he was convicted and sentenced to death.
    Yesterday the Supreme Court threw out the conviction because…

    “The 5-2 majority found that a lengthy videotape of an interrogation police conducted with Jackson prejudiced the jury because investigating officers repeatedly expressed their personal opinions about Jackson’s guilt and the victim’s character and family life.”

    Mistakes not allowed.

    Angela Corey was meeting today @1100 with media to discuss the reversal. It seems daily 1100 news conferences are keeping her busy.

    The SA’s plate is very full. I have read how overloaded they are. I hope they give the Zimmerman trial the time and diligence needed to not have this happen.

    • EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

      Angela Corey and her staff needs to step aside and bing in qualified people. If she knows so much then she can win the proper way. Illuminating mistakes…. Completely through with the prosecution team.

  13. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    To correct my spelling. “Bernie De la Rionda seems weak” sorry on iPad and continue to miss keys.

  14. As I have said for months the prosecution Bernie de la renta is week in my opinion. They need some true warriors to fight for justice. This is what I was afraid of this prosecution team appears confuse and week. Where are the top guns.

    • jm says:

      EIETTO says: “They need some true warriors to fight for justice. This is what I was afraid of this prosecution team appears confuse and week. Where are the top guns.”

      From what I have seen BDLR did seem weak and now seems confused with the latest development, kind of like a comedy of errors. He needs to be up to speed on Twitter, internet and social media which he admits he is not. Maybe I am paranoid for thinking this but is this by design so GZ walks to appease GZ supporters/voters?

      Who are the top guns?

      • EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

        I believe it is all orchestrated so GZ walks. I have said it from the beginning it will be another Rodney King confusion. Remember this team was created by the Governor Scott who could care less about the people in everyday life. He only cares about the rich and ripping off Medicaid. That’s how he became so wealthy. There is no justice for minorities in Florida. This case is rigged and I stopped commenting because I’ve spoken to people I know in the system. They work under the Florida legal system and this case does not deserve any second rate lawyers.

        As Lee Bailey stated the prosecution team on the OJ trail were second rate attorneys and they clearly were not qualified to try that case. There were more seasoned attorneys employed that would have done a better job.

        Angela Corey I never trusted her. The speech she did was clearly a calm the racial issue. Florida is known for racial tension and Los Angeles. I have no faith in the justice system treating Trayvon Martin like a real human being. I remember it was express that I come back to earth, well I have and I did months ago when I continued to state something seam fishy.

        Bring out the DOJ maybe TM might obtain some justice. If anyone believes the things that are happening are by accident then they need to come back to earth. It’s being orchestrated and the state has plenty of money to heir and pay bloggers to do the same exact thing Omara is having done. I don’t believe anything he says like he was paid well Llpapa proved him to be a liar with a 244000 check deposited into his video.

        Bring on Kendall Coffee, former U.S. Attorney and Wendy Murphy who is passionate about truth and justice. Sorry for the long statement this is why I stop posting for a while. I can see through the hypocrisy.

      • gbrbsb says:

        @JM: “Who are the top guns?”

        Don´t know of any except one, David Walgren. But IMHO his opening, closing, questioning, crossing, presentation, etc. in State v. Conrad Murray, was absolutely impeccable.He´s now going for judge so probably won´t stay as a DA for long.

  15. Rachael says:

    George Zimmerman lawyers to depose first cop on the scene of Trayvon’s shooting

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-cop-depos-20121116,0,2056863.story

    • looneydoone says:

      Rachael,
      My opinion ? Smith is a dirty cop, and FL intends to lose this case, allowing gz to walk.

      My question is why, and just who is gz ??
      He seems to enjoy extraordinary accommodation. Why ?

      • cielo62 says:

        There is no way FL is going to throw this case. Not with the entire nation watching. GZ is a nobody. He got a few accommodations but not outrageous ones. I really don’t understand your extreme pessism. Justice is something that has to be sought. We the People are doing that. GZ will be put away for decades. With his temper he might never leave prison. The evidence is too clear.

        Sent from my iPod

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I think this case is getting and will continue to get extraordinary care because of all the limelight it’s received.

    • leander22 says:

      Interesting, Rachael, if I read this correctly Randy Smith may be the man next to Zimmerman in the car during Zimmerman’s reenactment. And he has been promoted? Good to know. For reminding Zimmerman at Taaffe’s house in a peculiar little passage instead of following Zimmerman’s gesticulation to move on, he should a little elaborate on the fact that Trayvon in fact lingered at Taaffe’s house and didn’t move on?. Something GZ eagerly picks up.

      What I wondered too. Is he also the one that in in the room before Zimmerman’s voice stress test that later comes to pick him up after he has finished? This type of people all look similar to me.

  16. colin black says:

    Ina…. George whilst on the phone to the non emergancy operater describeing Trayvons movements.Calls him a flucking coon under his breath but clearly audabile…When George was being questioned about the call later.Detectives going over his call replaying it for him.Detective Serenio asks him what was that he mutters.George claims he says flucking punks…I M O after multiple listens he say coons……

  17. colin black says:

    Canibals favourate food?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Baked Beings

  18. grahase says:

    Before or after lunch.

  19. colin black says:

    There have been allegations of raceism as part of the family dynamic by a female cousin of George,She is on the wittness list called into LE after the shooting.Stated the entire family is raceist towards African Americans.Stated they tolerate Africans whom act white?..George also made derogatery comments regarding Mexicans on a facebook posting..The cousin has known the Zimmerman family her entire life.Also alleged George sexuall abused her starting when she was eight an he nine,,,

  20. I am going to write about cannibals today.

  21. Ina says:

    And thank you, for pointing out the difference: cross examination and interrogation. I think both most be hard for a young girl who lost her bf though.

  22. Ina says:

    Are the names of the witnesses normally given some sort of privacy? The victims girlfriends name obviously isn’t, poor girl, what kind of live she is having at the moment. Until some days ago I didn’t know this case (sorry I am from in Europe) and I didn’t want to know really, but once you start reading, like with the Anthony case, you can’t help but get hooked. It is amazing how creative and digging people on the internet can be, like the making of that video with the timeline, really clever, I hope it is accurate, because then it is interesting. I have never seen much public involvement in a murder case where I live. I read demonstrations were the reason this wil be a murdercase afterall. The fact that this case is such big news means it will be almost impossible to find an unbias jury, which will be hard anyway if racism is a part of the crime I think. I can’t help wondering, will the jury have to be partly black, partly hispanic, partly white? All white? Or won’t that kind of selection creteria be allowed? (As it seems prejudice) . Was this mr Zimmerman known for racism before that day of the death of T.Martin; if so, that will have to be a big issue (of course it won’t be solid evidence, but it would help a lot!) I think the prosecution must be quite busy at the moment to capture such information. I can therefor see why the names of the witnesses should be protected.
    Anyway, it is good to know the law in the USA nowadays is for every person, no matter what race or religion. I hope the truth will win in this case.

    • Ina says:

      ps, just struck me, maybe DeeDee is a common name, or a nickname? I don’t think her last name is published, well not in the few articles I have read. I don’t know her age either, hope she is ready for the pressure an interrogation will bring.

      • Xena says:

        DeeDee is not a defendant and thus, not subject to interrogation. If she takes the witness stand for the State, she will be subject to cross-examination by the defense. Her relevant knowledge is about her phone communications with Trayvon the evening of 2/26/12. The defense is unlikely to try to push her testimony beyond that.

      • gblock says:

        Just based on what people on this blog have been saying: DeeDee is not the girl’s real name, and I think she is 16.

    • Xena says:

      Was this mr Zimmerman known for racism before that day of the death of T.Martin; if so, that will have to be a big issue (of course it won’t be solid evidence, but it would help a lot!) I think the prosecution must be quite busy at the moment to capture such information.

      Zimmerman is not charged with racial profiling. That would be a federal offense. He is charged at the state level.

      • Ina says:

        Thank you Xenia. I meant: if he was a known racist, let’s say by neighbours, friends, they would use it for the prosecution. That he is not charged with it, federal or state wise, is not important, it is what people will tell as witness that he said or did, what he wrote in emails, that sort of thing?

        • Xena says:

          Thank you Xenia. I meant: if he was a known racist, let’s say by neighbours, friends, they would use it for the prosecution.

          If there are witnesses to that effect, statements will more than likely be turned over to the feds.

    • Xena says:

      Until some days ago I didn’t know this case (sorry I am from in Europe)

      Welcome!! What country in Europe?

  23. grahase says:

    This is not BDLRs only case. I am sure the SAs office is over-run with work given budget constraints vs case load. You all know the government – work more for less. MOM has other cases. But, this one is very important to him as evidenced by his social media activity. He hungers to win this one. The State is doing what it does every day and has yet to realize the importance of getting it right. It really is NOT a major case in its own right. It is only because we are watching. I don’t think the State is worrying too much about it and – wrongly so.

    • Jun says:

      All cases are important to The State. It affects law and future cases in Florida. Its pretty much beyond a shadow of a doubt that George stalked this kid and threatened him and shot him. All of George’s claims are unproven, regarding his sudden thug death beating at the T.

      The reason I stated the above is because it sets a precedent and the state does not want a precedent set where people will pull what George did, nor would they want the reputation of the state investigation called into question.

      • Rachael says:

        It only needs to be believed beyond a reasonable doubt. Though, too believe beyond a shadow of a doubt he did just that, only needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

    • grahase says:

      Jun – I think you may have misunderstood me by the way I have written. Of course this case is important. But, it does not a complicated case to deal with. This is only a major case because the world is watching. Otherwise, there are many self-defence claims, SYG claims, and murders in the State of Florida. I don’t think this case is precedent setting except for its notoriety. IDont get me wrong, G should be in jail and I believe this is actually a Murder 1 case.

      • leander22 says:

        the world is watching

        grahase, trictly, when I was introduced to the US system, I responded with prejudice, not least due to US film profs and activists doing documentaries on US dead rows. I can easily admit it. I have close to no understanding how the system works. Beyond being puzzled due to the very, very different legal surrounding I live in. And yes, my prejudice may have to do with several factors.The first is the death penalty, a close second the extend of guns on US ground, add to that that US judges are elected, Could that motivate a fast conviction? Besides I am not sure if perpetrators are alluded to in our press with their complete family names ever, not eg. George Z. Which means we only read about cases from the perspective of criminal media reporters, who usually are specialized in the field.

        There is nothing better about our system, that I realized instinctively in this context, it’s only different.

        I once studied a case over here, trying to protect a friend. The only obvious angle I had was to study the perpetrators via his for me open business filings. He tried to trick a friend, that was obvious to me, The files showed he had developed quite a bit of criminal energy, as we call it over here. These files after a huge and rather complicated law suit here in Cologne were transfered to the Cologne commercial register, interestingly with the relevant once left in the community outside Cologne, were the clerks obviously slept deeply, allowing the guy to fail his duties to contractors. None of them ever received a penny for his work. The problem was, to get at the judgment, I didn’t follow up, since what I could find out, was enough to convince my friend to not sign any contract with the guy. I had to get the help of the people here in Criminal science to understand if I could read the judgment too. … I am not aware of my rights in this context, But I am well aware that I do not belong into the categories that can get the judgment easily though from what the easily searchable databases tell me. The files are here in a Cologne court, but I do not fit the definitions to get them.

        That’s the curious story about US law, or more precisely Sunshine law. No matter how much I may have been shocked initially that suddenly everything is open and easily accessible for every citizen, I do not seem to have the same rights over here, and that is the more interesting part of the story.

        I am struggling to understand the different ways this much better scenario could be exploited. In other word why the law- and-order-right can use the word lynch mob, or race-baiters for the Justice for Trayvon camp? Maybe I am not up to this task, since I hardly understand my own legal system beyond private law and the laws concerning my own field. Or the more complicated ethical question, could I ever against my own better will, be endangered to surrender to a lynch mob mentality, never mind to what extend it looks the other way round in this context. But in the US with my limited mental capacities matters often seem to be turned upside down for argument’s sake. And honestly I don’t seem to be able to wrap my head around it.

        • Xena says:

          The first is the death penalty, a close second the extend of guns on US ground, add to that that US judges are elected

          That can be confusing. Not all judges in the U.S. are elected. In fact, federal magistrate and district judges, including bankruptcy judges, are appointed by Congress. The same is true for Supreme Court Justices.

          In Illinois, Associated Judges are appointed in the circuit courts. If the State decides that the position is necessary to continue, candidates then run on a ballot for election. There is no re-election in the since of having challengers but rather, retention. Once a circuit court judge is elected, the ballot thereafter asks if he or she should be retained.

          In the circuit where I reside, we’ve had an Associate Judge on the bench for about 12 years.

      • leander22 says:

        “Which means we only read about cases from the perspective of criminal media reporters, who usually are specialized in the field.”

        usually the procedures at trial or the actual law suit, where no visual media is allowed.

      • Jun says:

        The state would be opening up a can of worms by looking at the case like it would not set a precedent. Not only would they cause trouble for all their earlier cases, they would cause headaches for other cases tried by other prosecutors due to the new precedents set forth which is grounds for appeal now due to the precedents. They would also be ruining self defense law for the people it is meant to protect.

      • grahase says:

        leander22 – It is about the same as your system here in the Great White North. We do not have elected judges, the right to bear arms, or the Sunshine Law. You can follow a case by sitting in the courtroom, watching and listening. You don’t hear from witnesses, the defendant, the families, or the lawyers outside of the courtroom until the case is over. Even then, you hear very little with one exception – the court reporters. They will report not using names – like – one of the neighbours testified today, for example. I prefer the Sunshine Law idea, actually. Like they say, if we are paying for the Justice System out of our taxes, we have a right to know what is going on. Without a doubt, there are silly buggers happening in the Canadian courtroom. We just don’t know about it. Citizens simply complain about the verdict if they feel it was wrong. That is about it. There are some in Canada that feel there is little difference between Canada and the USA. I will give you an example about how different we are. An entrepreneur offered those Canadians owning guns a free IPad if they would surrender their unregistered weapons to the government. A HUGE response!! We enjoy Universal Healthcare, gun control, and Constitutional Monarchy. By the way — our Healthcare is NOT free. Nothing is free! It is totally paid for by the taxpayers. We believe everyone is entitled to quality healthcare. It is just the right thing to do.

      • Dave says:

        Grahase, gun buyback programs like the “Ipads for Guns” scheme you described used to fairly common in the US. They were wildly popular with gun enthusiasts, who would “turn in” armloads of old junk guns worth a fraction of the money being paid out and gleefully spend the antigun peoples’ cash on new guns.

      • leander22 says:

        Grahase, I learned a little bit about the Canadian legal system by reading Michael Posluns thesis on Canadian First Nations versus the Crown. To put it in context I had to get a better understanding of the whole system. Yes similar to ours. He somehow managed to make me interested in the topic.

        But thanks for the response.

        Concerning Florida’s sunshine law, yes it’s obviously fascinating to watch the courts procedures on your laptop over here in Europe.

  24. thejbmission says:

    Oh Mistakes — Mistakes.. Florida is known for making horrible mistakes.
    Just like Orlando/Orange county tried Casey Anthony with first degree murder w/DP when the dummies, Burdick and Ashton couldn’t even prove a murder was committed.
    Anthony was acquitted thanks to the hard work of her attorney Jose Baez. Had she been represented by one of the so-called respected attorneys of Orlando such as Mark Nejame, he would have wanted her to plead out to life without parole. So was it a mistake that she was acquitted? Or was it a mistake that she was over-indicted?
    And was it a mistake for Baez to correct O’Mara when he made a mistake? I think not.

    When it comes to “mistakes” in the state of Florida — Since October 2012, Florida leads the nation in the most exonerated death row inmates. I can’t imagine what that number would be for inmates serving LWOP, serving sentences for armed robberies, burglary..etc. I suspect there’s a lot of innocent people in prison.
    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty
    And probably not just Florida. I think there’s too many games in our judicial system due to little “mistakes”. IMO, its less about justice and more about winning.

    Mistakes, mistakes… Like Professor said, the whole world is watching. Imagine if we weren’t watching?
    Actually I don’t have much faith in BDLR. He’s a little too jumpy for my taste. I’d rather see someone who’s less theatrical. Where’s Angela Corey? Why isn’t she trying this case herself?

    As for O’Mara? There’s not an attorney out there who’s more connected to that courthouse than him. He’s Godfather to one of the judge’s kids and the other Judge Jessica Recksiedler disqualified herself because her husband worked with CNN legal analyst Mark Nejame. Nejame knew this so why does he recommend O’Mara? Why does he recommend any attorney?
    Do judges run in the same social circles? IDK..Lets hope Judge Nelson doesn’t make strange little “mistakes” too. Geesh..

    • leander22 says:

      tiny nitwit mosaic piece of the world watching, being me.

      Actually I don’t have much faith in BDLR. He’s a little too jumpy for my taste.

      Not very systematic in his written motions, and from my own very, very limited perspective, concerning both the US and the legal and prosecution context. He may be a good challenger in cross-examination. That was so far the best I have seen of him, during the first bond hearing, if I remember correctly, were GZ took the stand to address Trayvon’s family. Strictly O’Mara’s motions adhere boringly to the larger Dershowitz perspective from the very start. His client shouldn’t have been on trial at all.

      If BDLR is indeed quite good at cross-examinations why don’t they give him a legal aid that writes the motions for him?

      The best motion by the prosecution I have ever read was the response by the State to disqualify judge Lester, although it ultimately failed. All very subjective, I know.

      I have to also admit that I wondered if judge Lester’s motion to setting bail, which ultimately caused him the trouble, was in fact an attempt to get out of the case. Long before the motion from the Zimmerman camp.

      Why did it feel like that, well I do not usually expect judgments that mirror my own feelings on matters.

      • groans says:

        I, too, appreciated the honesty in Judge Lester’s 2nd Order Setting Bail.

        I was SO happy that someone FINALLY had called it like he saw it (firsthand) – rather than tippy-toeing gingerly around GZ and giving him more and more special treatment, as if he’s somehow “better” than other folks charged with murder.

        In his order, Lester held up a mirror to cowardly George and his whiney lawyers, showing them exactly what they looked like to most of us.

        Obviously, they did NOT like what they saw one bit – and set out to smash the mirror rather than learning anything from it.

        • jm says:

          Loved Judge Lester’s ruling where he called a spade a spade. I hate when people tippy-toe around the elephant in the room, trying to be politically correct and not offend and offensive person like GZ.

    • leander22 says:

      should “jb” in your larger mission trigger something in my mind?

  25. Xena says:

    The State’s un-redacted 9th Supplemental Discovery was filed on 11/12/12. The “mistake” was not news for 3 days. The media frenzy and “big mistake by the State” now reported in the media may be due to MOM announcing that he is going to provide the State’s court filings on his web site.

  26. Rachael says:

    Some braniac fell out of the tree and writes:

    “George had the right recognize the threat of sever bodily harm – and defend himself.
    This women was not even hurt – yet she had that right to fear sever bodily harm.”

    Like this even remotely compares to GZ. OMG!!!!!

    I swear, I would laugh, but it is just way too pathetic and not funny in the least. I can’t believe I share the oxygen these people breathe.

    I know, I know, I gotta stop doing this. Please feel free to delete if I’ve way over-stepped.

    • Xena says:

      That is a classic case of the Castle Doctrine and rightfully so. What GZ did does not fall under SYG, and MOM agrees. Yeah, very ignorant of the Zidiots to think there is a comparison, and pathetic that they don’t remember that MOM has abandoned SYG in exchange for traditional self-defense.

    • Jun says:

      LMAo it is an entirely different situation. If it was to be compared to that case, George would be the intruder, hence him repeatedly stalking and pursuing and even chasing the kid with a gun, therefore, George was intruding into Trayvon’s life and taking away his freedom to walk home with Skittles and Ice Tea, so, Trayvon is the one with the self defense claim. However, Trayvon does not know how to fight, and there is also no evidence he even attacked George, forensically and even via witnesses, except for witness 6, but he gave 3 different stories and the forensics dont back up his claims.

    • Malisha says:

      The goons, of course, mean that whenever you see a black man you are justified in recognizing the threat of great bodily harm. After all, they are such thugs! Of course, if this is the way things are, imagine what any woman is entitled to do to any man she sees! She may be recognizing the threat of rape!

    • Odd, but I do not recall a “right to recognize” anything in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

      Guess I missed that in my legal studies.

  27. Jun says:

    I dont think it is a big deal because the names released were just George’s neighbors names and some officers with DOJ. I believe it was an honest mistake but he should def get his ish str8 for trial and I am hoping Corey is there to overlook everything. It is always a good idea to have more than one lawyer to catch other things. They do the same at interrogation

  28. jm~~we will have to wait and see if Judge Nelson takes the state to task for yet another error.

    From the Orlando Sentinel…

    But lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has inadvertently leaked the names of nearly a dozen witnesses, violating a court order.

    It’s not clear what will happen now and whether he’ll face any sort of sanction or punishment from the judge in the case, Debra S. Nelson in Sanford.

    • Xena says:

      It’s not clear what will happen now and whether he’ll face any sort of sanction or punishment from the judge in the case, Debra S. Nelson in Sanford.

      Sounds to me as though MOM is going to take advantage of the mistake and post the un-redacted witness list on his website. It would then be bad faith for him to request the court to order sanctions. IDK whether Judge Nelson can sue sponte enter sanctions without a rule to show cause. Maybe the Professor can address this.

      • leander22 says:

        Good points, Xena, further above, too. Maybe much too easy maybe to judge fast. On the other hand, assuming an intern was involved, was s/he given precise instructions?

        Sanctioning BDLR would be an ironic twist of his misguided allusion to Baez.

        I doubt though O’Mara can put up an un-redacted copy on his website, he would breach the court order himself. If that is the term I want. Besides imagine the effect this would have on GZ’s financial supporters, they trust the guarantees of confidentially.. He really can’t do and won’t do something like that. In other words I would be very surprised if he did. Remember his argument that his web side has been praised by a prof of ethics in communication, or whatever it was?

      • He specifically said he would not republish that list because it would violate the court order and he did not want to risk the consequences.

        I interpret his statement as his way of piling on.

        • Xena says:

          He specifically said he would not republish that list because it would violate the court order and he did not want to risk the consequences.

          Thanks. I hadn’t read that.

    • Jun says:

      I dont think anything will happen to Bernie and it will simply be addresses and Omara will not likely put the unredacted on his site because they are witnesses that are George’s neighbors and the DOJ officers. If Omara brings it up, he knows the same can be done to him and I dont think he wants to open that door.

  29. Xena~~I think it was an honest mistake on De La Rionda’s part. He would never do anything to jeopardize this case or his career. I feel the same way about O’Mara. Mistakes happen when there is such a large volume of paper work being shuffled around.

    • Xena says:

      Xena~~I think it was an honest mistake on De La Rionda’s part. He would never do anything to jeopardize this case or his career. I feel the same way about O’Mara. Mistakes happen when there is such a large volume of paper work being shuffled around.

      I agree. An intern may have been given copies with instructions to file this there, keep this in the file here, link the original to the data base here, and gotten things all confused.

      There was a situation in my neck of the woods once where an intern with the SA’s office was suppose to make copies of a deposition to send to the PD and file the affidavit with the clerk of the court. He tried filing everything and when the clerk refused the depositions, he put them in the case file himself. The judge discovered them at the next hearing. Had the intern not confessed, feathers would have flown.

  30. Xena says:

    It would be delightful if they played fair. Most time when people cheat, it’s to win. What would be Bernie’s motivation for releasing the names of the State’s additional witnesses? Hmmm. That is the question to ponder.

    • jm says:

      Is BDLR incompetent or underhanded would be the only question I would have. Lose-lose for the prosecution even though others may want to underplay the “mistake”. If prosecution wants to win this case, incompetence or underhandedness is unacceptable. Which begs the question, do they want to win the case.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Don’t these folks have legal assistants to help them keep their sh– straight?

        • Xena says:

          Don’t these folks have legal assistants to help them keep their sh– straight?

          My guess is that since it is during a semester, that the State has legal interns. IDK but one thing I am pretty sure of is that Bernie did not personally appear at the circuit clerk’s office and file the un-redacted documents himself. Interns for circuit courts are delegated “go-for” and mundane work that paralegals and legal assistants don’t want to do.

          I am not defending Bernie. Ultimately, the attorney of record is responsible. I felt the same way when MOM issued subpoenas pursuant to the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure rather than Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure.

          I also question the circuit clerk who would accept the un-redacted documents. When there is a court order, for instance, that a litigant cannot file anything unless accompanied with a motion for leave to file, the circuit clerks KNOW that. It’s in the system. Florida should have a safeguard in the system that alerts the clerks what cannot be filed pursuant to order of the court.

    • Xena, did you enjoy the sentencing of the guy who tried to kill the female boxer/wife, *with a gun*?? Florida gun laws??LOLO i know you watch the same thing i do! 🙂 i thought about you when i watched it. so that’s good huh? i know it was for me!
      i listened very carefully. so i don’t see ANY possible deal GZ could hold out for. I know some peeps think that’s what’s going on here. But i can’t see any reason for him to consider taking a deal just to get 25 years. If i were him i’d totally take it to trial too, there’s not much to lose, it’s free for him and he doesn’t care about anyone else’s issues coming out at trial..

      • Xena says:

        Xena, did you enjoy the sentencing of the guy who tried to kill the female boxer/wife, *with a gun*?? Florida gun laws??LOLO i know you watch the same thing i do! 🙂 i thought about you when i watched it. so that’s good huh? i know it was for me!

        Ahhh. I’ll think about you from now on. I missed “In Session” yesterday and today (have a work project that took me to the federal courthouse). But yes — unlike the Goodman case, I cheated this time and researched the decision in the Martin case.

        (After the judge denied dismissal on the basis of self-defense, did Martin change his plea and say he didn’t shoot Christy? It sure sounded like that in his attorney’s closing statement.)

        Anyway, I liked what Christy said about the sentence — at his age, it was like a life-sentence.

        GZ could still benefit from a plea, IMO, as he can be sentenced to life. Unless he can keep this case going for a few decades, life for him will be a very long time.

      • 25 years is a long time, but it’s better than life in a situation where parole would be unlikely because he refuses to take responsibility for anything he does.

        Why risk paroling a convicted murderer who is likely to kill again and casually dismiss it as part of God’s plan.

        No responsibility or remorse = no parole.

    • thejbmission says:

      Xena,
      I don’t think Bernie did it on purpose either. It’s like you mentioned earlier. It was an accident. Why would he want to upset potential witnesses? It makes no sense but I agree with Professor. The State really needs to shape up because O’Mara is going to use whatever he can find to sabotage this case because they’re soooo desperate.

      • Xena says:

        The State really needs to shape up because O’Mara is going to use whatever he can find to sabotage this case because they’re soooo desperate.

        Yes. This is where judges come in. By the time they take the bench, judges have been through internship, worked for the State, gone into private practice or with a law firm, and know how easy and embarrassing it is to make procedural mistakes. They also know what it’s like dealing with circuit clerks.

        With Florida’s Sunshine Law, having some docs not filed, others filed, some redacted, others not — absolutely nothing should be presented to the circuit clerk without several sets of eyes checking and re-checking — but is there staff available for that or are they just trying to crank out the papers?

  31. Fred~~it struck me funny to hear you say, “Time to get your shit together.” De La Rionda and/or the state can chalk the latest faux pas to number four now?? The one stating José Baez was held in contempt of court for speaking to the media was un petit faux pas.

    • Forgot about that one. Ooooooopppsss!

    • Ya know, i kinda think it wasn’t much of a mistake to say Bozo Biaz was held in contempt. Maybe it wasn’t the ‘technical’ name for biaz’s punishments, but he was punished for doing wrong! he had at least one fine to pay and after the trial he was investigated by the Florida bar. So tomato-tomato. And then bozo writes a letter (of self importance) to set the story straight. How arrogant! I can’t stand people using his 1 huge win and then saying he’s some kind of ‘good’ lawyer!!! All he did was flat out lie and distract an irrational jury with stars in thier eyes and IQs less than my shoe size!

      BTW> the other day you guys were talking about throwing out every single possible scenario that Omar could come up with, or that would prepare BDLR for anything the defense could throw out there at trial. Well i wanted to say that Bozo did exactly that. He threw out a complete BS story, an utterly unsubstantiatable accusation about George Anthony, and it basically worked, or at least helped.
      Someone here said because of the blogs like this, BDLR, and the defense, both have an advantage in this case because they can get access to the thousands of ideas online. But also the state has to be informed of any exculpatory evidence, just like Omar has to be. And that he’d be able to prepare for any stupid BS defense GZ would use at trial.
      But what about what Biaz did? What’s gonna stop Omar from pulling some BS story outta his ass and use it in openings and/or beyond? Legally Biaz was supposed to have had a good faith belief in what he said. But that rule really doesn’t mean anything at all. Omar could do the same thing and never have to answer for it.
      …just an irritating thought i keep having… *sigh* LOL

      • Xena says:

        What’s gonna stop Omar from pulling some BS story outta his ass and use it in openings and/or beyond?

        Unless MOM says GZ did not kill Trayvon Martin, the only story he can pull out of his ass is to say GZ killed in self-defense — so he’s back to square one.

      • thejbmission says:

        I didn’t know we were discussing the Anthony case but since you brought it up…
        I applaud Mr. Baez for setting the record straight!! Yeah Jose!!
        I remember that gang — LOL All wishing, hoping and dreaming that Baez would be disbarred. Believe me, if O’Mara wasn’t sanctioned for withholding GZ’s “other” passport, just give me one reason why would you think Baez should have been disbarred or sanctioned.
        Baez paid $187.00 fine for not handing over discovery to the State by the deadline set by Judge Perry.
        Of course we know the State held back extraordinary information from Defense and the jury which had a huge impact on her acquittal. Do you recall? The computer forensics were incorrect. Casey did not search chloroform 87 times as the State claimed. There were only 3 searches made on the computer — which All of the searches were made when her boyfriend Ric Morales posted “Win them over with chloroform” on his mySpace page.
        The computer examiner contacted SA Burdick and told her his program was incorrect. Even then she didn’t admit to the jury that the State was mistaken. Now was Burdick disbarred? No. Was Ashton the Laughing Man disbarred? No.

        No. So why do you think Baez should be disbarred. I’m curious.

        • I didn’t know we were discussing the Anthony case but since you brought it up… I applaud Mr. Baez for setting the record straight!! Yeah Jose!! (That’s cool, but i’ll save my applause for a little justice for Caylee.) I remember that gang — LOL All wishing, hoping and dreaming that Baez would be disbarred. ( LOL I remember when Biaz had the nerve to say “people call him the hispanic Juanny Cochran” ON TV! Looks like that was quite presumptuous since he hasn’t exactly made the millions on book, movie deals and super lawyer status! LMAO)

          Believe me, if O’Mara wasn’t sanctioned for withholding GZ’s “other” passport, just give me one reason why would you think Baez should have been disbarred or sanctioned.( Well I didn’t say he should be disbarred. Although I wish he would’ve, just b/c I don’t like him. As for Omar and the passport; IDK, I guess I didn’t have much of a say-so in the matter.. since I’m not the judge.) Baez paid $187.00 fine for not handing over discovery to the State by the deadline set by Judge Perry. ( He made several *mistakes* he wasn’t sanctioned/fined for.) Of course we know the State held back extraordinary information from Defense and the jury which had a huge impact on her acquittal. Do you recall? (don’t you recall? the jury members that did talk said they thought she was guilty. I don’t recall anyone saying the state holding back information had some ‘huge impact’. )

          The computer forensics were incorrect. Casey did not search chloroform 87 times as the State claimed. There were only 3 searches made on the computer — which All of the searches were made when her boyfriend Ric Morales posted “Win them over with chloroform” on his mySpace page. ( What a kawinky-dink, b/c Cindy said explicitly that she made some of those searches. Don’t you recall? Did the jury believe Cindy made the searches or Casey? And the defense brought the guy back to explain the software problem. But a lot of chloroform was found in the trunk, it had to get there somehow. Maybe Cindy put it there too? I don’t remember an “extraordinary” amount of information the State withheld. Was there any other evidence pointing to ANYONE other than CA killing her daughter then chucking her in the neighborhood kid’s swamp hangout, across from her own school ( except for the nanny of course.)

          The computer examiner contacted SA Burdick and told her his program was incorrect. Even then she didn’t admit to the jury that the State was mistaken. Now was Burdick disbarred? No. Was Ashton the Laughing Man disbarred? No. ( Ashton was laughing because biaz was incredulous and apparently so was the jury!) No. So why do you think Baez should be disbarred. I’m curious.

          BTW. Something really struck me, (and solidified observations made by many in the CA case) since i watched the Adam Kawfman trial here in Aventura, Fl. that could be another reason the jury didn’t convict her of any serious charge: ( especially crimes against children ) If there is no one in the victim’s corner, and i mean vigorously, decisively, and forcefully defending them IN and out of court, it’s much more unlikely to lead to a conviction. If there is even a hint of ambiguity from the victim’s family be it toward the State’s case and/or the victim it’s just easier for the jury to look for any excuse to acquit..basically if the victim’s own family doesn’t demand justice why should the jury? Luckily it’s the complete opposite in Trayvon’s case! And the jury WILL convict!

      • truthforlisa says:

        Shannoninmiami, your reply was hilarious! LOL…and I couldn’t have said it better myself!

  32. Malisha says:

    :mrgreen: ❗ 😕 😛 😀 😈

    [Don’t mind me, I was showing a friend of mine how to make these silly faces — g’night y’all]

  33. Malisha says:

    OK, mistakes are mistakes. What is more troublesome is the things that happen that are WAY WRONG and are NOT mistakes. Saying, “If you would do what George did…then send money” is not a mistake. It is way wrong. Failing to test the shooter for drugs and failing to send him to the E.R. when he claims to have been beaten almost to death is not a mistake; it is a gross GROSS failure in office. Calling the shooter “the good guy” when you have no evidence that his victim, lying cold in the morgue, is a bad guy, is not a mistake; it is what we call a “mis-SHTUNK”! [as in “STINKS to high heaven]

    But putting paper A in the file when you meant to put B, and vice versa, this is the kind of mistake a person can make and then, half hour later, on the way home, in traffic, suddenly, uh oh, it hits you, and you think, “Uh Oh, did I…?” and you get the most horrible feeling and your mouth goes dry and you gasp a little and you better watch that car in front of you because otherwise…
    fender bender; overload; freak-out; feeling that you just can’t stand anything any more…see, most of us have been there.

    But —
    Get all freaked because someone you don’t know is walking around;
    Calling him an asshole and a fucking punk,
    following him,
    confronting him,
    killing him —

    NOT A MISTAKE. WAYYYYYYY WRONG!! ❗

    • ladystclaire says:

      I agree with everything you have stated here! everything that the SPD did and didn’t do that night and after was plain and simple, WRONG AS HELL! the same goes for O’money for asking the question of his fan base as well. this attorney should have been immediately pulled from this case for asking these numb skulls such a question. further more, he should have been disbarred.

    • Jun says:

      I think Omara is moreso plotting but at the same time made huge mistakes. The main mistake is very obvious by now LOL

  34. Time to get your shit together.

    LOLOL I agree.

  35. Brown says:

    Totally agree, they need to get their shit together!!!

  36. Brown says:

    Following..
    ummm prof a small typo, should read witness 9 witness 8 is DD
    : ^ ))))

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