Zimmerman: LLMPapa and Marinade Dave Are Back in the House with Part II

Here is Part 2.

Gentlemen:

You are doing a fine job.

Mighty fine.

Pins and needles waiting for Part III.

Enjoy everyone.

265 Responses to Zimmerman: LLMPapa and Marinade Dave Are Back in the House with Part II

  1. Lonnie Starr says:

    I just came back after the Sandy imposed blackout. Good stuff, I’ve got a lot of catching up to do, over 465 emails.

    • Been missing your fonts, Lonnie.

      You survive Sandy OK?

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Yeppers… Snug as a bug in a rug. Just annoyed with our power companies poor communication performance. I would have gotten back on line with a generator, except they kept stringing us along with a series of predictions that we’d have power in just a few days, then a few more days, then a few more days ad nauseum. See, the trouble is, the later it gets with their incorrect predictions, the more likely it becomes they’ll be right. The few people who did get generators didn’t get them until 2 to 3 days ago, hardly worth the trouble they had to go through to get them under such distress. Of course, they’ll be prepared for the next big blow, but by that time so will we all.

    • Tee says:

      @ Lonnie Starr I pray all was well with you & your

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Thanks. Although it looked really horrible on the maps, it wasn’t that bad over the entire area. Just the really low lying areas. I try to make it a point to know how far different sea levels are likely to reach inland. 15 foot seas aren’t likely to reach where I am. Now I know for a fact that they stop over a mile away from here, which is what I expected from looking at previous storms.

        Unfortunately many people in even lower lying areas, and much closer to the coast, don’t seem to have evaluated things correctly. Needless to say, if I had judged that the waters might have a better than even, or even a good chance of reaching me, I’d have evacuated for sure. Same with the wind, sustained 80 plus mph winds and I’m gone. So far I’ve saved a bundle over my neighbors who evacuate every time, only to complain they could have stayed.

        I do believe it’s right to err on the side of safety, and this storm did some really horrible damage I didn’t believe that it would do. The storm surge was truly massive, even though the winds had lost much of their strength because the storm came ashore further south than they figured. It really pushed some wall of water in front of it, but 15 foot seas simply don’t reach where I am. Historically they never have. So thanks to the internet we can do our own evaluations.

        We have to remember that the weather people are not going “parcel by parcel” or “plot by plot” with their forecasts, but are talking about wide general areas. Only you can see the immediate topography that makes your own situation risky or not. If you live in a flood plain area, do your homework. You don’t want to needlessly evacuate, but you don’t want to take needless risks either. So, if you can’t figure out if it’s safe or not, get out! Moving high water is incredibly dangerous.

    • @Lonnie: HI Lonnie! Nice to see you back. I hope you and the family are okay. Are you in NJ or NY? I was not affected in the city per se, but a few trees were knocked down on Long Island where I stay on the weekend. I have friends and co-workers on City Island and in the Rockaways. Ihad to visit a family member in lower Manhattan who had no electricity for a week. We had to walk up 20 flights of stairs! SMH. It was pretty bad for a lot of them. I hope you are weathering the storm. I have never seen anything like this in my life but we will go on. We have to.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        NY. The weather people had been predicting just such a storm for decades, but the city did not bother to prepare, even though sea levels have risen over a foot in the last half century. We had a northeaster back in 87 or so that did quite a bit of flooding, but this one pushed a whole lot more water and sea levels are getting higher and higher.

        Global warming means that the weather is going to get even more chaotic with stronger storms. So people on and near the coast need to be prepared.

  2. Xena says:

    Happy Veteran’s Day To All Of America’s Veterans. Don’t forget that Applebees has free meals today, and Golden Coral tomorrow, for all veterans. At Applebees, they only have to pay for drinks.

    • @Xena! Thank you darling! My children and husband who is also a vet, will be going out with our children. I have several vets in the family, as well. Daddy is a Marine vet from Korea, Uncle Frank and my brother was in Vietnam and I have 2 nephews in the Navy.

      Some idiot on HP way back had the nerve to state that GZ should have joined the Army since he liked shooting so much, and I responded with this statementL “You do not join the military because you like shooting genius. You join because you truly love this country and want to defend it you idiot!” GZ would be a disaster in the military and that is why he was rejected by the Marines. He is undisciplined and that is something that you MUST have to be in the military, plus, he is one not to follow orders and in the military when they say JUMP, you better say, HOW HIGH!!! He is also a mental case!

      • Xena says:

        GOOD FOR YOU, Deborah. I just got back from Applebees. My son is a 12 yr vet.

        Had GZ been successful joining any branch of the military, he would have been fragged at the first opportunity. He is not a likable person.

        • @Xena: I am so happy to know that your son is a vet! My son wants to join himself when he is 18! I know I cannot stop him, because no one could stop me. I just tell hm to think about it because it is a very serious decision to make. I hope you had a nice day at Applebee’s. I am getting to go myself over here. Fortunately, Hurrican Sandy wasn’t to harsh to me but it destroyed so much of the city! SMH.

  3. Malisha says:

    Thanks, Xena, I went and did the research I had previously been too lazy to do. I believe that the defendant who makes a SYG motion and gets denied has a right to file a petition for a writ of prohibition, not a straight appeal, if that defendant wants the decision to be reviewed on the spot, before trial. The quote I have is from a headnote of a petition for a writ of prohibition that was actually granted, and that headnote said: “A writ of prohibition is the proper remedy for an accused who is challenging his continued prosecution based on grounds of immunity; this is because the question of whether a defendant has immunity may also be framed as whether the lower court has jurisdiction to try him.”

    In the appeals you mention, what I can’t figure out is whether the appeal took place AFTER THE TRIAL. To delay the trial, I think the idea on this thread is that George would make a SYG motion, have it denied, and take an appeal, which would take months and months if not years and years to decide. THAT is the part I think won’t be possible because to get appellate review of the judicial denial of a SYG motion, you have to go up on a quickie petition for a writ of prohibition, much like the quick writ O’Mara took up against Judge Lester. They are decided quickly and then they result in lickity split actions in the lower court, too. So just as fast as he got rid of Judge Lester, he would have a decision on whether or not the denial of a SYG motion was going to be upheld.

    My guess is that it could buy him a month or two but nothing too terribly significant. It would be very unlikely, looking at the 30 cases that popped up on appeals involving SYG, or other self-defense motions to dismiss charges, that it would take a long time for the appellate court to come to a decision as to whether to cut George loose on the force of his word — for that’s what the hearing would have to rely upon — or not.

    State versus Mederos, decided on August 10, 2012, was an appeal that involved denial of a SYG motion but the appeal did not get filed until the defendant lost at trial. So he lost the SYG, went to trial, lost the trial, and then appealed, I believe.

    That might be George’s route, too.

    I think the whole reason that Lee, Wolfinger and several officers worked so hard on helping George avoid having charges brought against him in the first place is that in Florida, once you are charged, it ain’t easy to get outta that one, my bro. Considering the reputation of the prosecutor, the law & order stance of the legislature, and a bunch of other stuff that is quite Floridian, once you’re in that defendant’s chair it ain’t gonna be comfortable for you noways. The way to give George a “pass” was to make sure he didn’t get any charges leveled against him, and when that failed, his behind was in the ringer. And like, ding dong. 👿

    • Xena says:

      @Malisha. When I read the decisions it was to see how the Judges of the Appellate Court understand what is required to prove self-defense. It was not about procedures, so I’m sorry for the misunderstanding.

      What I do understand from the decisions regarding procedures is that immunity challenges the jurisdiction of the trial court to hold trial on the charges. IDK, but it seems as though if the trial court held trial while denial of immunity if before the Appellate Court (regardless of the title of the pleading), that the outcome of trial would be a nullity if the trial court lacked jurisdiction.

      When a court has a jurisdictional challenge, I can’t see any judge in the lower court continuing proceedings until that challenge has been resolved by a higher court.

      Regarding procedures, John Orr’s attorney stated that he would appeal the trial court’s denial of immunity. That was in March 2012. I’ve not found anything on the status of that case since then.

      • Malisha says:

        Well, a petition for a writ of prohibition is exactly what one would use to say that the trial court did not have jurisdiction to send the defendant to trial. It is a “down and dirty” fast appeal with a petition, an opposition, and a decision. That’s a lot faster than an appeal which gets a notice of appeal, an appeal schedule, a briefing schedule, appellant’s brief, appellee’s brief and then maybe an appellant’s reply brief and then oral argument and on and on and on and on. I think if O’Mara makes a motion to dismiss the charges for immunity based on self-defense, whether SYG (stand your ground) or SOA (sit on your ass) in nature, and if the judge denies his motion, he will undoubtedly go up on a petition for a writ of prohibition arguing that the judge decided it all wrong. It is my guess that a quickie response will be that a “Petition for a writ of prohibition” is an extraordinary writ that can only be granted if (a) the need for it is proven by clear and convincing evidence; and (b) the trial court somehow abused its discretion and (c) there is no other remedy at law for the defendant. It’s my guess that it will receive a quick and terse (less than a page is my bet) denial and thence, on to trial, maybe delayed a month or two but not enough for George to raise his family of little georgelings and shellinettes. Not to mention mentoring the little kids in whatever neighborhood he now inhabits.

        Have you noticed how George sing-songs some of his words and adds little puffs of air to others. The “Bl” sound comes out with a little bitty explosion. The initial “l” sound gets elongated. What’s that about, anybody know? I haven’t noticed it in other Virginians or other Floridians or other pompous asses. 😕

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Thanks for your research and your wonderful posts.

  4. Dear God.

    Please don’t ever let me do anything to piss off

    LLM Papa
    Marinade Dave
    Trent Sawyer
    Fred Leatherman.

    Amen

  5. SpecialladyT says:

    Malisha, you are too funny and so right at the same time. If there were anything in those school records, we would have seen MOM with a witness list in hand subpoenaing everyone from the janitor to the School Committee President!

    “Omara Bin Lookin”…..

    I am stealing your nickname..Thanks! LOL!!!

  6. Malisha says:

    Also, the school records on Trayvon Martin have not given O’Mara anything he could possibly want to publicize, because if they HAD, we know what he would have done to make them “public” even though he’s ordered to keep them sealed: He would have filed a big emergency motion saying there was something in the school records that make it necessary for him to take depositions from 11 teachers, 45 students, two school janitors, the after-school thug club, and every member of the student body from 2008 forward. That motion would claim that it will take three years to do that and O’Mara needs the addresses of everyone who ever knew Trayvon (all the while HE is identifying his witnesses with numbers only).

    Where’s your big emergency motion, Omara Bin Lookin?

    • racerrodig says:

      You have that right. Maybe he needs to depose all of FL. I call him Moron O’ Mara and for good reason. He is the epitome of the term “Scumbag Lawyer”

      • ladystclaire says:

        I didn’t think another lawyer could get as “LOW” as Jose Baez but, Mark O’mara proved me wrong! Jose is almost at choir boy status compared to this dirt bag attorney. imagine an attorney stooping so low in order to defend a child murderer.

        • I have defended serial killers and child murderers. Everyone, no matter who they are and no matter what they did is entitled to a lawyer and a fair trial.

          It’s not who you defend that matters. It’s how you defend them.

          I defended the worst of the worse, so to speak, with all of the grace and dignity that I could muster and, to the best of my ability, I did not judge them for what they did.

          • jm says:

            Professor says: “I defended the worst of the worse, so to speak, with all of the grace and dignity that I could muster and, to the best of my ability, I did not judge them for what they did.”

            You didn’t judge the worst of the worse? That has to be most difficult. Are you the same when you aren’t a defense lawyer, when you hear about a senseless killing like in the Zimmerman case?

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            My guess is: As a lawyer, you have a greater responsibility than a mere “spectator”. It’s on your shoulders to make the law work! The law can not possibly work, if we’re going to allow ourselves as a populace to pick and choose who gets to defend themselves from who does not.

            Therefore as a lawyer, you have a duty and a responsibility to our American Constitution, to make the law work in the fair and just manner that the public’s noble rhetoric, always appears to support, until they’re horrified by some crime. A lawyer must hold him/her self ready to provide the very defense that is so necessary if each and every citizen, who is accused of some crime, is to be afforded the presumption of innocence.

            You cannot have it both ways. You can’t say that some criminals are accused of crimes so horrible, that they should not be provided an opportunity to try to put on an effective defense. If you subscribe to that kind of thinking, we’re right back where the Star Chamber and Witches of Salem began. It’s a tremendous and terrible burden that lawyers simply have to be ready to bear if “we the people” are to have the rule of Constitutional law we so vigorously demand.

        • racerrodig says:

          And stating his client was yelling…..can one get any more despicable.

          I stand by my statement that they get more hateable every day.

  7. Malisha says:

    Oh, here’s why the cell phone pings matter.

    George is in his vehicle. He sees a suspicious guy who’s up to no good and something’s wrong with him. He calls NEN. The dispatcher insists upon his giving a valid street address but he just can’t remember the name of the street and he can’t see the number of any houses and he gets the number of the club house wrong. So he says, “Shit, he ran,” and gets out of his vehicle because he has just been given an order by a law enforcement officer and he has to obey it. He walks down around up there and by that thing and he’s over there and then they ask, “Are you following him?” and he says “Yeah” because he’s going in the same direction but it’s a different direction because he has ADHD and then Trayvon has him trapped. Ping. We know those cell phone pings help thugs identify whenever a hero gets mentally confused, those pings are magic pings. So now Trayvon’s cell phone is going to PING him that George has become confused; this is the perfect time to attack and ultimately kill him. So Trayvon pushes him over the edge, of mental confusion that is, by demanding, “Do you have a problem?”

    PING.

    Now George has to answer a very broad question. Remember, on Hannity, when Hannity asked if George had had a chance to reflect on the tragedy, George came up with: (a) I haven’t had a chance to reflect on it; (b) when I was in jail and in solitary I had a lot of time to reflect on it; (c) it was a tragedy. So Trayvon’s asking George a big, open, broad question like that was designed to destroy all of George’s remaining think-pings so he would be incapacitated, leading to his being easily overcome and killed.

    PING.

    George is thinking: “OK, do I have a problem? Well, the fact that I can’t graduate but I have already had a graduation party, would that be considered a problem? Naah. PING. OK, how about the fact that Shelli isn’t working and we’re sliding deeper and deeper into debt in spite of all my cheating and failure to pay my lawyer and stuff, is that a problem? Unh-unh. PING. OK, what about the fact that I’m estranged from my family and my mother hates me, is that a problem? Nope. ‘Cause I hate her right back. PING. OK, how about my weight, is that a problem? PING. Nope, I’ve got someone who likes it. PING. My flashlight won’t work, is that a problem? SLAP SLAP PING. Naah-unh, not really. PING. I guess that’s all of it.”

    “No, I don’t have a problem.” PING

    “Well you do now!” PING

    See? That’s how it works. All those PINGs just PROVE it was self-defense. PING PING PING.

  8. Colin Black says:

    gz may have told a few porkie pies but I can assure you they pale into insignificence number wise to the number of lies uttered dureing the murder of CAYLEE ANTHONY an the astronomical numer of lies / missspokes spouted by the Anthony family cidy george lee casey…….Val from Hinky Meter done an incredble job listing there lies in the case files of the Hinks christened it the Liecepedia ran to three volumes if I remeber correctly .If anyone can take on GZ many lies an in consitances of gz chronological .Though you cant youse logic an gz version of events in the same sentance.Anyhoo after covering the lies of the anthillmob gz would be a peice of piss to Val….Val did some great peices on the case before she shut the site down…Even published a recentish peice on why his S Y G Claim is bullshit an destined to fail….http://thehinkymeter.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/why-george-zimmermans-syg-defense-wont-stand/

    • Malisha says:

      But the Anthony case did not start off with the defendant admitting she actually killed the deceased. Here, we have George saying he DID KILL the deceased, but it wasn’t his fault. In that circumstance, his credibility about his state of mind and the fact that his story does not coincide (to use Serino’s words, even before the forensic evidence was IN) with the physical evidence means that George’s credibility has an uphill battle to fight, and it is not in good shape at the outset.

  9. Malisha says:

    Having done no research on this, I am just throwing it in there. I don’t believe an appeal of the denial of a SYG hearing is possible. Appeals can usually only be taken of “dispositive motions” or “final orders” and a denial of a SYG claim or a self-defense claim, before a judge, is not dispositive, because you are permitted to make that same argument to a jury in the case once the trial begins. IOW, if George says to Judge Nelson, “It was self-defense so dismiss all charges against me,” and she rules, “not enough credible evidence of self-defense to dismiss,” that is not going to be an appealable order. It will be an interlocutory (non-final) order that does not prevent the defendant from making that very same argument at the trial.

    The reason O’Mara was able to appeal the decision of Lester not to recuse himself is that although that motion was not dispositive, it did limit the defendant’s ability to move forward, because if the judge HAD BEEN prejudiced against the defendant, his next motion or his next legal maneuver would be coming up before a judge who was not legally qualified to act. Besides, I think they took what is called a “petition for a writ of prohibition” instead of a straight appeal. A petition for a writ of prohibition is a very quick action in the appeals courts; it either flies or falls flat. I think it was wise for the appeals court to let that one fly so they could save the ten possible appeals that would follow where O’Mara would be weeping into his cabbage soup about how unfair the judge was to poor Georgie.

    I think it will turn, now, on mental health issues, most of which will be completely misdiagnosed and completely misinterpreted. I think George will say he is not competent to stand trial because he has PTSD. And his health will have degenerated so that his prior existing conditions of IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) and ADHD will have morphed into some heavy-duty depression and anxiety disorders and he will have taken to a big sleep disorder, need uppers and downers, have drug interaction problems, suffer from flashbacks and nightmares (“You’re gonna die tonight motherfucker”) and have self-esteem issues because so many people profess to hate him. He might even have a breakdown and have to be put on antipsychotics and lithium and perhaps he’ll spend a couple of weeks in an inpatient setting. Let’s see: throw in an eating disorder and an adjustment reaction. Um…social anxiety disorder. A few phobias (unnaturally afraid of suspicious looking guys, young Black thugs, angry faces, people carrying signs, teeth, skittles, anyone with guns, panthers, red, dogs, keys, shadows, grass, windows, heights, depths, fortune-tellers, spiders, suppositories, Mexicans, butterfly bandaids) and you have the makings of a very big motion for a continuance so the defendant can be in treatment long enough to become competent to stand trial.

    Now there is a big difference between “not guilty by reason of insanity” at the time of the crime and “not competent to stand trial.” The former is a defense. It is unavailable to George. The latter has to do with when he is expected to either plead or stand trial. That is arguably available and it would keep him out of jail/prison longer than other methods, in my humble and uneducated opinion, but it would present enormous difficulties to George if he made O’Mara try it.

    First of all, I am almost certain that George would have to undergo a huge battery of standardized psychometric tests in order to get any judge to give him more time past June 2013 to get into mental shape for a trial. Those tests, the forensic tests used by psychologists and psychiatrists all over the country in all the courts that do death sentence cases, have scales on them to determine the general validity of the tests AND THE GENERAL HONESTY of the test-taker. That would be hell of a two-edged sword for George. He couldn’t have the tests used to show he was unable to go to trial if there was a good chance those same tests would show that he is a damned liar.

    It might be a good tactic if, boo hoo, George were not in the situation he has placed himself in. HE has been all over the place talking about how right he was and how he HAD TO KILL. The entire self-defense claim rests on his already damaged credibility. For him to trade off his mental state to stand trial against his credibility? Not a great idea!

    Oh, and those forensic tests? A guy like George cannot fool them. He tries to figure out what answer to a question will cause the reaction he wants to get, and he designs his answers that way. But his I.Q. is not high enough for him to do that well enough to fool the tests that have been developed over a CENTURY of psychologists a lot smarter than George figuring out how to trick someone like him into revealing his true nature.

    For George, at this point in time, probably prayer is the answer.

    • Xena says:

      Having done no research on this, I am just throwing it in there. I don’t believe an appeal of the denial of a SYG hearing is possible.

      Appeals are allowed. The first SYG appeal was Peterson v. State, 983 So. 2d 27 – Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 1st Dist. 2008. Hair v. State, 17 So. 3d 804 – Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 1st Dist. 2009. Dennis; Velasquez; Dorsey and others.

      A very interesting appeal is Montanez v. State, 24 So. 3d 799 – Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 2nd Dist. 2010.

      You can find these appellate decision on scholar.google.com

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I’ve thought many times that what GZ needs is a really good Buddhist teacher and lots of purification meditation, and pronto.

  10. whonoze says:

    @ LLMPapa and Prof. L.

    Isn’t it “Marina Dave” not “Marinade Dave”? I realize GZ is a turkey, and Dave is all over over him, covering his exposed skin and what not. But he just seems too substantial to be applied with a brush.

  11. Trina Cosbie says:

    LLMPaPa, Dave & Sawyer’s work has been out of this world!!! I just hope that Nelson keeps her mouth shut & doesn’t talk off the cuff to anyone else about making sure she is giving GZ defense team passes on most motions so GZ can’t put a return to sender on Nelson’s head when his defense team tries to argue that Nelson was being unfair & she secretly plotted to make it seem like she was in favor of the defense, while secretly advocating for a minor…imo..I’m telling y’all I whole heartedly believe Nelson is making sure GZ doesn’t win on an appeal after he’s found guilty!!

    • You are right. Many judges will do what they can to make sure that there are no reversible errors in the record. One way to do that at this stage of the case is to grant defense discovery requests. Granting discovery requests does not mean that anything discovered will be admissible at trial and it certainly reduces the possibility of a successful argument for a new trial based on newly discovered evidence.

  12. SearchingMind says:

    Guys , IMO O’Mara’s claim that the defense will not be ready for trial by June 10 2013 is disingenuous: on the one hand O’Mara told the Court that the State’s case is weak and that the indictment of Zimmerman was based on political considerations beyond the control of Zimmerman. On the other hand O’Mara claims that he will not be ready for trial MORE THAN 1year after the same indictment was issued. IMO, both positions exclude one another and cannot be correct at the same time. I think O’Mara’s Motion (if he files one) for a new trial date would be rejected promptly by the Court.

    However, I can envisage one scenario in which the trial would begin later than June 10 2013. That scenario is this one: O’Mara motions the Court for dismissal based on the SYG-/self-defense law (middle April 2013); Judge Nelson denies the Motion (late April-/early May 2013); O’Mara appeals (middle/late May of 2013); the Appellate Court does not rule on the appeal by 9th June 2013. In this scenario, the trial may not start until the Appellate Court has ruled on the appeal. Maybe the Professor can throw more light on this subject – if I am mistaken.

    • Jun says:

      IMO Omara has no case. Lester was right. If Omara had a case, he would have asked for an immunity hearing a long time ago, he would have set trial a long time ago, and he would not be continually asking for continuances and waiving the speedy trial right. He spent the good part of the 6 months saying he would be ready by 6 months, then it was by June 2013, and the immunity hearing by April 2013, and the court set it to what he stated, and he now asks for a continuance. Any defense lawyer, if they had a strong case, they would get their client off as soon as possible, and have it over and done with. He had 6 months to do depositions and go over the discovery he has gotten since day one, but instead, he spent the whole time submitting hearsay to media, and arguing with Crump.

      • racerrodig says:

        “If Omara had a case, he would have asked for an immunity hearing a long time ago, ……”

        As I understand it, and I do expert witness work for a few lawyers and they agree, Moron O’ Mara has a duty to get his client “off the hook” as soon as he can. All agree he should have filed for Immunity within weeks of taking the case. Since every lawyer who worked for him says SYG does not apply and SD is harder to get away with……….oh not to mention the state of Florida’s utter lack of a case….I’d say….He’s Done !!

        The attorney code of ethics states to that effect, he can’t let a client languish like he claims Z is, a minute longer than necessary.

    • groans says:

      SearchingMind, I agree that it’s disingenuous for the defense to be asking for an extension of the (relatively recently established) trial date – especially since the defense has squandered time as far as getting its necessary discovery going in earnest, let alone formally committing to any SYG or self defense position.

      I also think Judge Nelson purposely set, and got commitment to, a trial date in order to establish a “benchmark” against which she will weigh requests from either party. I have read things about her to the effect that she is fair to both sides, but does not tolerate any slack from either party. So lawyers had better have very good reasons for requesting any extensions and such.

      My guess is that she might be willing to extend the trial date somewhat – but, in so doing, may also exert more control over the case, in general. I can’t help but think that MOM felt appropriately pressured to agree to her schedule – since he didn’t come up with any legitimate objection or alternative – and now he will feel his “feet being put to the fire” whenever he asks for more time. That doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t get some more time, but he’ll need to squirm a good bit in the process, have to justify it reasonably, and maybe even make some concessions along the way.

      I may be giving more credit to the judge than is warranted – but my sense is, that’s her strategy to move the case along. There was no control over the case or defense before – but a “trial date” is a powerful control mechanism over both parties.

  13. ladystclaire says:

    There is nothing about his nose that looks as if it’s broken and, for him to have suffered a broken (NOT) nose, his nose is as straight as an arrow.as for those scratches on is face, it looks like he got into a fight with a cat. his lies will be his ticket to the hoosegow hopefully for the rest of his miserable life.

    • racerrodig says:

      Now you insulted cats !! Let me say that one cat we had laid my face open from the inside corner of my eye in a circular cut that followed the circle under my left eye. That was just from jumping over me while we were playing!!

      Z couldn’t handle a real cat, he couldn’t handle life, a job, school, relationships, the real world, bills, responsibility, honesty and who knows what else.

      • groans says:

        … contractual obligations (e.g., a previous legal representation in which he ripped off his lawyer … though that also falls under one or more of your other categories, as well!).

        • racerrodig says:

          Oh yeah….I forgot about that. Then there is the lawsuit he “spearheaded” against Ames Funding. He was allegedly a mortgage agent there, but in reality he was a collection caller for a company called Ocwen, who is the Mafia of mortgage servicing companies.

          Z failed to show for a deposition and since the defendants, Ames et la moved it to Federal Court, a warrant was issued for him. He was finned 10K also……what a loser….!

  14. rachael says:

    OMG, are there really people out there this stupid? This is a real comment I saw – I am not making this up, I couldn’t make it up:

    “Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a weaker person that was afraid of him, an easy target. Trayvon approached him from behind and punched him in the nose and knocked him to the ground, sat on him and beat him with no injury to himself for nearly a minute. Trayvon did not stop the beating when his victim screamed for help, or when one of the witnesses told him to stop. Unable to harm his attacker, or even defend himself physically, Zimmerman fired one shot to stop the beating.”

    Seriously? How could someone post that and not be totally embarrassed? Some guy who was in his car watching you, talking on the phone about you gets out of his car and follows you and you are going to “profile” him thinking *he* is scared of you? WHAT??!!!

    Approaches him from behind and punches him in the nose? WHAT??!!!

    Seriously? Could someone really write this and not feel like a total idiot?

    Reminds me of a silly thing we used to say when I was a kid:

    One bright day in the middle of the night, 2 dead boys got up to fight.
    Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other.
    A deaf policeman heard the noise and came and came to arrest the 2 dead boys.
    If you don’t believe this lie is true, go ask the blind man, he saw it too.

    • rayvenwolf says:

      @Rachel: This one is a real gem
      “Clearly, they refuse to deal with reality when they see pictures of the nearly full-grown teenager grinning through his grill and flipping off the camera.” – Oh the shame of it all

      “They refuse to deal with reality when they read @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA’s tweets full of vulgar references to females and drug use.” Until I have some confirmation I’m not reading anything and even if I did wtf does that have to do with the case?

      “They refuse to deal with reality when they see the video of the hulking, hooded Trayvon at the 7-Eleven, behaving suspiciously by any reality- based measure.” – I see adults who act more suspect regularly at 7-11 and they actually do something other than buy things and *gasp* LEAVE

      “They refuse to deal with the reality of GZ’s broken nose and the lacerations to the back of his head.” No confirmation on the nose and two tiny insignificant nicks. People do worse to themselves shaving.

      “They refuse to deal with the reality that neither white racists nor vigilantes are known to call law enforcement and stay on the phone with them as they prepare to gun down the object of their hatred.” – *points to texas and Raul Rodriquez.

      De-nial seems to be getting wider and deeper as days pass over at the Tslum

      • rachael says:

        SMH. Scary.

      • Xena says:

        “They refuse to deal with the reality that neither white racists nor vigilantes are known to call law enforcement and stay on the phone with them as they prepare to gun down the object of their hatred.” – *points to texas and Raul Rodriquez.

        They are beyond reality. GZ profiled Trayvon to the dispatcher. Here was a kid with something in his hand and with his hand in his waistband. Based on that profile, Smith would have been cautious upon approaching Trayvon. What if Smith, based on GZ’s profile, had killed an unarmed, 17 yr old? Another cop for GZ to complain about? But, Trayvon ran, and GZ had to become that cop who would shoot based on the profile.

        GZ wasn’t only profiling Trayvon to set him up, he was also setting up the arriving cop to get into deep do-do with the dept.

        Remember Taaffe’s interview? He complained about the cops arriving late. GZ complained too; “They always get away.” Why not kill two birds with one stone?

    • Jun says:

      I have read lots of remarks like that since the case took place. I honestly have never seen as much hatred toward a kid who got killed and the killer is obviously lying, even a baby could read it, that it is self defense. George staged his self defense claim because he wanted to kill the kid but did not want to go to prison. All you need to do is look at the pictures the night of the murder to see George is completely lying. George has no bruises at all on his face or back of his head, nor are there skull fractures. A head being smashed onto hard cement would crack the skull open and leave fractures, to the point the skull would need metal plates. George had two tiny nicks that bled. & Even if George had those injuries, Trayvon had no nose or face DNA on his hands or sleeves, which is impossible considering whoever would have assailed George like he claims would get a whole bunch of skin DNA all over the hands and blood splatter dna from the blood splattering. It is so obvious what happened is what Corey stated on her probable cause affidavit of this murder case.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, I agree with your comment 110% that there has never been any hatred towards a murdered kid in this country and, there have been many, but this one is the only one who is hated as well as being smeared by the “RACIST” whites of this country who also feel the need to show case their “IGNORANCE” as well. why and what has this kid done to deserve what some in this country deem to see his murderer as a hero. how would they feel if the roles of this case was reversed and blacks smeared Trayvon if he was white and George Zimmerman murdered him and wasn’t arrested for 44 days. some in this country really need to step back and take inventory of their lives and get down on their knees and ask GOD’S forgiveness for their “HATRED” towards this child who caused no injuries or harm to his executioner. we in the AA community felt the loss of Caylee Anthony just like whites did. the same goes for the still missing Haleigh Cummings. this is so wrong on so many levels. SMH

        • Xena says:

          @Jun, I agree with your comment 110% that there has never been any hatred towards a murdered kid in this country and, …

          The internet makes that known now by those using it. Emmett Till was accused for his own death but unless you read newspaper headlines and editorials, mainly published in the State of Mississippi, you wouldn’t know about it.

      • Jun says:

        I did the math and it is such a small minority of society, it does not bother me that much. George had about 200,000 or so donated. Omara claimed everyone donated about 20 bucks each or whatever. Lets say each supporter donated twice. Thats 5,000 people. 2 million people signed the petition. Jeb Bush stated that he believes it is not self defense. Mitt Romney has said it should be investigated. Obama said he empathizes and it should be investigated. They are severely outnumbered.

        • racerrodig says:

          Actually I did the math also. Subtract 100K from the pot as that was 4 25K donations from 3 large entities. That leaves 100K @ $20. a pop. Then there are multiple donators….he’s in all reality got less than 3000 donators. As you stated that’s nothing…..

          Many good causes have raised millions.

      • racerrodig@aol.com says:

        Yep and this bastard gets more hateable every day.

    • Xena says:

      “Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a weaker person that was afraid of him, an easy target.

      Yes Rachael. Those are the type of comments that I describe as “bigotvoyant.” They just know that Trayvon knew everything about GZ by seeing nothing more than his creepy looking face looking out of the window of his truck.
      http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/racist-bigots-and-thugs-are-clairvoyant/

      • rachael says:

        Oh Geez, I just read the ones you posted and almost got sick. I think I am a bit sensitive right now. I’m writing a brief of Loving v Commonwealth of Virginia for school. I was 11 at the time. I didn’t understand it then, I certainly don’t understand it now.

        God what a bunch of sick fucques.

        • Xena says:

          Oh Geez, I just read the ones you posted and almost got sick.

          And you know what site they came from, right? Yep. The one that Junior visits, Papa Zim thanks, and O’Mara gets his legal advice from.

      • rachael says:

        How can they thank a site where there are comments like that and say they are not racist? What a fricken boil on the butt of humanity that place is. My heart is heavy.

        • Xena says:

          What a fricken boil on the butt of humanity that place is. My heart is heavy.

          Rachael, take a deep breath. You have to really know bigots and get inside their heads to prevent your heart from being heavy. You see, they really, sincerely believe, that denigrating a race of people by name-calling and such, will oppress and intimidate them until they become invisible. By invisible, I mean being too ashamed to speak out, seek justice, anticipate civil rights, organize marches and call the killer of an unarmed 17 yr old a killer and demand investigation.

      • Mike says:

        Xena, that was a very good read. bigotvoyants, (bi-got-voy-ants) also seem to think that all African Americans are uncivilized
        And will riot if the case doesn’t meet the justice it deserves.

        • Xena says:

          Xena, that was a very good read. bigotvoyants, (bi-got-voy-ants) also seem to think that all African Americans are uncivilized And will riot if the case doesn’t meet the justice it deserves.

          Thank you, Mike. I hope that the humor, and seriousness, are both conveyed. Yeah — I don’t know why the Zidiots think that there will be riots if GZ is acquitted. GZ is not of any importance. He’s already homeless, broke, unemployed and paranoid. Those of his family who are not retired are the same. IOWs, it’s not as though he can run home to Papa and live like a king. Papa is still living like a vagabond.

          I don’t suppose that we will see ShelLIE on Dancing with the Stars either. GZ is toxic to his entire family. That alone should satisfy people who would be disappointed if he is acquitted.

      • Jun says:

        For example, the Rodney King riots, a lot of people who were not responsible were targeted and were victims of the riot. If your issue is with a certain individual, then go at the certain individuals or individual. I am not about capital punishment or the death penalty and am not giving it a thumbs up and a okay but I would understand if someone did something to George and their motivation to do so.

        In this case, if they honestly cant convict this guy, when it is so obvious he was never attacked by Trayvon and it was Trayvon screaming for mercy and help because of George’s crazy ass stalking the kid in an aggravated manner and trying to harm the kid out the blue, being a complete stranger trying to abduct Trayvon and kill or at least hurt him, America would become the laughing stock of the whole world, specifically the court system in Florida. This case became worldwide. It shouldn’t be that hard to convict this guy. I am not even a lawyer and I feel I could convict this guy. The guy is so obviously guilty and that he is full of crap, and this is obviously not self defense but we got to let him have his day in court because it is his right.

    • Xena says:

      Unable to harm his attacker, or even defend himself physically, Zimmerman fired one shot to stop the beating.”

      And that, dear Rachael, is a classic example for how GZ’s “supporters” don’t believe him. In GZ’s versions, Trayvon had stopped beating and was “smothering” then stopped smothering to feel up his chest. In GZ’s versions, he drew his gun because he “felt” that Trayvon saw it.

      They don’t support GZ rather, they hate Trayvon Martin.

      • rayvenwolf says:

        So true, it stopped being about GZ a while ago. Its more about being able to flaunt their bigot flags with very few calling them on it. Honestly they really don’t care if pudgy gets convicted. To them he did the world a favor and if he can’t get his ass out of the sling, oh well.

        • Xena says:

          To them he did the world a favor and if he can’t get his ass out of the sling, oh well.

          What you say, Rayvenwolf, is true. Know how I know it’s true? They won’t even send GZ enough money for him to buy a larger size suit from the Goodwill to wear to court.

        • racerrodig@aol.com says:

          It’s in large part about gun rights. The Zidiots also claim it’s about self defense rights……except nobody will ever take that away and Z wasn’t defending anything….he was on the “offensive” and they know it.

      • rayvenwolf says:

        Xena at the rate he’s going, Pudgsley is gonna roll his eyes/sigh too hard in court and his blazer is gonna explode. Oh well he can work it off in lock up 🙂

        • Xena says:

          Xena at the rate he’s going, Pudgsley is gonna roll his eyes/sigh too hard in court and his blazer is gonna explode. Oh well he can work it off in lock up 🙂

          LOL!! There is that funny feeling in my gut again. It says that GZ might be so highly medicated that MOM may ask for a continuance on the basis that GZ is not mentally capable of standing trial. I read in one of the online Florida papers yesterday that Judge Nelson will not release GZ’s MENTAL HEALTH records to the prosecution. BAM!!! There we go. Those records exist.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I don’t understand how the judge can deny handing over GZs mental health records to the prosecution – unless the strategy is to get him behind bars lickety-split. Mental health records just might slow everything down.

        • Xena says:

          I don’t understand how the judge can deny handing over GZs mental health records to the prosecution – unless the strategy is to get him behind bars lickety-split. Mental health records just might slow everything down.

          That’s a possibility. Yes. Taking the mental health issue off the table so GZ can’t use it might be the reason. I mean, it would be circular logic for GZ to say he killed Trayvon but his reason for claiming self-defense is due to mental illness.

          • Patricia says:

            @Xena:

            “Watching Black kids walk in my ‘hood made me crazy ….”

            Uh-uh, I see a mental health plea coming.

        • racerrodig says:

          For the life of me, I can’t see how they could possibly be irrelevant and not get turned over, even with a gag order on them.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena, but she felt it necessary to give the defense all of Trayvon’s school records as well as his social media records if Face book and Twitter will cooperate and just hand them over to them. I just don’t feel none to good about this judge.

        • Xena says:

          @Xena, but she felt it necessary to give the defense all of Trayvon’s school records as well as his social media records if Face book and Twitter will cooperate and just hand them over to them. I just don’t feel none to good about this judge.

          IIRC, Judge Nelson will also go through the school records before handing them over. I seriously doubt that MOM is going to get anything from Facebook and Twitter.

          GZ is fishing for information to support his defense. (His defense is lame and unsupported by the evidence.) OTOH, the State doesn’t have to prove that GZ killed Trayvon. He admitted to that.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @ravenwolf, LOL I can just see that happening now. I wonder what is up with the eye rolling thing. also, the defense is trying to delay the June 10th start of his trial but, I hope Judge Nelson denies his request. there is so much evidence against the watchman and he and his lying defense team knows this and that is why they are trying to delay this trial as long as they can. the one thing they seem to forget about is the fact that Trayvon and his family have their right to have their day in court as well. Blow Joe G is going to the hoosegow and he knows it. one question before I go, do you think the drugged up Zimmerman in the court room is a copy cat of the Holmes guy in the Colorado case to make him look as if he is mental to the point that he didn’t know right from wrong? if it is, it’s a no go because, he knew exactly what he was doing!

        • rayvenwolf says:

          @Lady I doubt it. Its likely more to keep him in than anything. the he was out of his gourd line won’t work because he clearly knew right from wrong, evidence by his lying and the fact he got the heck out of dodge even before the crap hit the fan. If anything it may be an attempt to show him as more docile than anything, but you know the NEN call blows that out of the water.

        • racerrodig says:

          Isn’t there a time limit as far as using any mental issue defense ?? I don’t think they can just pop in one day and say….”our bad, he’s a lunatic, and can’t handle this” Not to mention those TV interviews…and his media blitzes…..and his website where he thanked “..the masses…” Just sayin’

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena 2:38pm, True that, he did admit to shooting him and he also know it wasn’t done in self defense either. I’ve been seeing a lot of people talking about him maybe being offered a plea deal but, I pray that he does not even get the offer of one from the state. he needs to be locked up for the rest of his miserable life!

        • Xena says:

          I’ve been seeing a lot of people talking about him maybe being offered a plea deal but, I pray that he does not even get the offer of one from the state. he needs to be locked up for the rest of his miserable life!

          A plea deal would not be out of the ordinary because that is how the criminal justice system works. IMO, I don’t see the State offering GZ a deal of anything less than 20 yrs. That is a good alternative to spending the rest of your life in prison.

          Mark my words — regardless of the outcome of this case, GZ will be back in jail and go to prison. He is paranoid and can’t live without carrying knives and/or guns, even if he has to carry illegally.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena, they say when he was rearrested, he was like living out of his car with a stash of food, a laptop and above all things, he had another “GUN” on his person. btw, they say that in Florida if you kill a child using a gun, there is another 10 years tacked on to your sentence. so, he should serve 30 years if he gets a plea deal. I hope the state offers up nothing to this lying POS of a maggot. GOD please forgive me but, “I HATE THIS POOR EXCUSE FOR A MAN!” it wasn’t enough for him to shoot and kill this child, he had to also sit his “FAT ASS” on his back, making his death more painful than it actually was. may George Michael Zimmerman, burn in hell for all of eternity.

        • racerrodig says:

          And that gun he bought while he was indigenous was over $1,000.00

        • Xena says:

          @Xena, they say when he was rearrested, he was like living out of his car with a stash of food, a laptop and above all things, he had another “GUN” on his person. btw, they say that in Florida if you kill a child using a gun, there is another 10 years tacked on to your sentence. so, he should serve 30 years if he gets a plea deal. I hope the state offers up nothing to this lying POS of a maggot.

          I’m following State v. Martin on “In Sessions.” James Martin stabbed his wife (former woman boxing champ Christy Martin) 4 times, shot her in the chest, and left her to die. She survived.

          Today, the prosecution was interviewed about the plea offer they gave James before the discovery phase because they were criticized, alleged that it was depriving James of due process. The prosecution said that was not the case at all. They had compelling evidence and if James insisted in going to trial, the victim and other witnesses would re-live the trauma.

          After discovery, the plea offer actually increased the time he would serve.

          These are things that the public does not know until or after trial. GZ is no doubt living in the personal hell that he created for himself. IMO, based on his personality, a sentence of 20 to 30 yrs for GZ would be like putting an elephant in a match box — living death.

    • Jun says:

      Like they say, a picture paints a thousand words

      • rachael says:

        Those are obviously superficial scratches, like running through bushes or something. There is NOTHING there that even remotely resembles being hit, broken nose, or facial bruising. Some superficial scratches that appear to look nothing at all like anything he stated. Who the hell does he think he is fooling?

      • Xena says:

        Like they say, a picture paints a thousand words

        Those scratches have scalps on them. They were not “fresh” injuries. I wonder if GZ went to work the Friday before Feb. 26th and being off work, needed a doctor’s permit to RETURN? I mean, it’s not like he had missed work that Monday when his employer required a doctor’s permit to RETURN.

      • rachael says:

        In fact, you practically need a magnifying glass to see them!

      • Where are the black eyes? Where is the broken nose? Those slight scratches all seem to be lined up in the same direction, as if he were scratched by someone trying to protect themself….just as it was stated on the Red Yankee Press blog.

        • Patricia says:

          @rachael
          @grey winter

          GZ has facial injuries in that pic?
          He loooks like an Oil of Olay ad.
          I’ve seen large pores bigger than those “contusions.”

          This is the guy who had black eyes the next morning?
          Shellie dabbed a littrle Maybelline on her guy?
          She was a make-up artists before embarking on the healing arts.

          Now George is the Make It Up artist.

          • racerrodig says:

            ” Now George is the Make It Up artist.”

            A hahahahahahahahahahahaha Now my ribs hurt and it’s your fault !!

            The fake black eyes are the topper…the knuckle bandages are a laugh, but the eye shadow is just over the top.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Patricia, he looks like an Oil of Olay ad, LMAO! you go girl.

      • Tee says:

        I have said that the physician assist that saw Zimmerman the next day must have a different view than the normal eye because I have yet to see any black eyes. I’ve been a nurse for over fifteen years and that cut along with those scratches indicate that this man fell and hit his face on something the bruising is along one side on the nose and there are small scratches on the tip of his nose and across the forehead this man took a fall and injured himself. Why did spd not take pictures of Zimmerman head the next day I would sure have like to see the wounds the net day.

        • Xena says:

          I have said that the physician assist that saw Zimmerman the next day must have a different view than the normal eye because I have yet to see any black eyes.

          GZ didn’t leave the police station until what — 2 or 3 a.m.? According to Osterman, they stayed up talking. GZ first went to work, and was told that he needed a doctor’s statement releasing him to return to work. He then went to his personal physician’s office. What the PA saw of GZ’s eyes was nothing more than dark circles from lack of sleep.

      • racerrodig@aol.com says:

        I got scratched pretty much like that when I was camping in the Boy Scouts. We weren’t armed, we weren’t looking for anybody, we weren’t on the phone with the police, we sure weren’t racists……
        ….no, we were in the woods, walking, in the brush, where a branch would kind of swipe your face. I have pictures also….kind of looks like this one of Z. Except it wasn’t in the police station, I wasn’t being photographed because of a crime, I was laughing also.

        Yep…..at least a thousand words.

      • Jun says:

        IMO, the pictures that night do the most justice, because if George claims anything, either the doctor is lying or George is trying to pull something. In fact, there may be a deranged possibility that George took Trayvon’s blood and rubbed it on him to seem hurt but in reality, there was nothing there.

    • ladystclaire says:

      @Rachael, It sounds like you’ve been reading over at THP because, I saw a comment over there that was quite similar like the one you have posted here. these people don’t give a fat rat’s ass about this POS, the only thing that keeps them in his corner if the fact that he murdered an African American kid. the world is watching and they are being given an eye as well as an ear full of how racial hatred is still alive and kicking in this country.

      • Rachael says:

        I don’t know what THP is, nor was it HP as mentooned below, but the fact that people so stupid are out there in so many places is concerning. I mean if it is just one or two stupid people pisting a lot, that’s one thing, but my fear is that there are a lot of really stupid people out there, and stupid is the least of it. Add racist and guns and you have…omg, I don’t even want to think about it.

        It is one thing if they honestly disagree, but to disagree and say such ridiculous stuff makes me believe they don’t really disagree because they really think GZ defended himself.

      • Malisha says:

        Lady SC, I have recently been studying the community of Free African Americans established in about 1812 in Israel Hill on the Appomattox in Prince Edward County, Virginia. That community was set up because a white slaveholder freed 90 slaves in his will, and died at the age of 26 while his widow, who felt herself bound to follow the directions of her deceased husband, carried out his emancipation instructions. So there were 90 free Blacks on 350 acres in the middle of slave-state Virginia. And guess what? No overwhelming burden of hatred attached, and the Israel Hill folks got on fine with their white neighbors, and everybody worked it out, and it was a win/win, BEFORE the civil war. AFTER the civil war, in that same area, there was enormous hostility and of course Jim Crow, discrimination and everything else. To this day. And in my opinion, one of the reasons was that during the slavery days, the particular whites in that area who might have had personal psychological problems related to their own [very probably true] belief that they were inadequate DID have folks they could automatically feel superior to (so they didn’t have to take out their rage at FREE Blacks because they still had a class of enslaved Blacks to drain off their hostility on) so there was something like a “hostility overload safety valve.”

        For years and years in this country, the wife/girlfriend/whore was the hostility overload safety valve. Just like you could go home and kick your dog if your boss mistreated you, you could humiliate the wife, criticize the wife, abuse the wife, even beat the wife. But then, people like Veronica Zuazo [did I get her name right] learned that they could seek protective orders against guys like George Zimmerman and lo and behold, the last bastion of the “safety valves for angry men” was vanishing.

        A guy like George Zimmerman, in 2012, didn’t have a dog to kick, a wife to beat, a “spic” to spank or a “coon” to kill. Where’s a guy gonna turn to gain release? Um…

    • Rachael…..That comment sounds as if it came from the GZ clan at HP. The one that I suspect may actually be George goes by the name “newbee100” or “ouch the nose” (or a dozen other names or “sock puppets”. They are all fans of, and are being followed by the same people). They are making up stories as they go along because they have nothing else. They must be feeling desperate because they have also been mentioning “reasonable doubt” a lot in their comments lately.

      • Jun says:

        reasonable doubt can work both ways IMO

        if a judge or jury has a reasonable doubt in a defense’s and a defendants claims, the defense loses the case, especially in a self defense claim

      • @Greywinter: I believe that “Newbee100” is GZ too, and I insult that fool with every single post that I post! I don’t even like HP anymore, but I just love insulting “Newbee” who never answers any of my posts. The last insult was why was a 28 yr. old man still having his daddy pay his rent, when he was able to work and so was his wife? These sock puppets state the same nonsense daily and they continue to get insulted daily by the TM supporters.

      • Xena says:

        Rachael…..That comment sounds as if it came from the GZ clan at HP.

        Newbie on the treeslum. They make their rounds regurgitating the same theories.

      • racerrodig says:

        The one that I suspect may actually be George goes by the name “newbee100” or “ouch the nose” (or a dozen other names or “sock puppets”………”

        You would be 100% correct. Trust me !!

    • racerrodig@aol.com says:

      To be honest, there are many who post that garbage every day, over & over & over. They are called “Zidiots” and belong to the “Zidiot Nation” we know them as “race baiting hate mongers”

  15. logi says:

    I’m confused, so according to part two, are we disputing 25 seconds vs 14 seconds? The way I see it, George should have STILL been at the “T” when he says “he ran” The 2nd time, but tells Servino he was ALREADY at RVC which would’ve had him cover the 97′ in 2 seconds or so……right? I’m confused!!!!! : (

    • Jun says:

      Well that is why George will spin in circles with all his lies

      That is why you dont lie… when you lie, you have to cover it with another lie, and so on, and fairly soon, the lie gets uncovered and you have to think up new material and will get to the point George becomes the boy who cried wolf

  16. ed nelson says:

    Sting and Rod Stewart, have peculiarly flat voices, yet they Belt out a song like no other!

  17. racerrodig@aol.com says:

    “I looked to my right where he had gone…..” This has always bothered me. He then proceeds to keep going straight despite the fact he’s packing, so he’s not scared. He allows “..the suspect..” to get farther away and possibly “escape” into the dark ?? W – T – F is he kidding ?

    This is another one of those small slips that gets him convicted.

    It should be “I looked to my right where he had gone….” and ran right after him. Evidently some people saw us running in the area and have given you guys statements. Anyway, the other person in my truck went across the front of the houses and chased ’em back my way. You guys know the rest.

    • Jun says:

      Witness 2

      Considering Trayvon was found about 50 feet or so, south of the T, on the west side of the back pathway, on the grass, head facing north and facedown

      Witness 2 says, she saw them heading north, then heard “No no no” or “yo” and then bang, the screaming ended

      LMAO George will have fun having to explain that

      • Has anyone grouped together all of George’s various “stories” and listed them (in text form) according to each step that happened that night? It would be a hilarious to see so that one could read and compare them to each other.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO If George even got up on the stand, it would be 2.5 weeks of just his inconsistent statements, contradictions, and stuff that just doesnt make any damn sense

      • rayvenwolf says:

        @Grey: I thought about doing it, actually have it partially done, but my brain just couldn’t handle it. I think do it part to the fact that I write fiction and the muse was itching to take a cement truck to all of the plot holes. I’ve got most of this coming week off so might just do that over two pots of coffee.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Someone HAS put all GZs stories into text, weaving them together. It’s even more striking how full of holes the stories are by reading these grouped together. I didn’t save the link, but I’m under the impression that I came across it somewhere on the Leatherman blog, on Firedoglake, Talk Left, or possibly in an Axiom Amnesia comment or AA Facebook. It may even be the work of one of the regular readers here.

      • leander22 says:

        @Grey: I thought about doing it, actually have it partially done, but my brain just couldn’t handle it.

        I find these type of surveys enormously helpful. I once did it for myself with Zimmerman’s 911/NEN calls versus the burglary reports, to take a closer look at hero image versus reality concerning arrests GZ actually could have helped to make. Before the answer was: maybe; after that it, it was visible on one single page: none.

        There is obviously so much data out there, that is impossible to process in a helpful and coherent way without working systematically.

        The problem is, if you create a cooperative online database, which strictly I would like in this context, you may offer GZ all the possible strategies in the shape of collective pro-Trayvon web (World) brainstrom activities to prepare himself for. I think that is in fact what Bernie de la Rionda struggled with. Will there be anything he can still come up with, that has not been thought about? Considering law does not allow him to keep something up his sleeve. I have to admit, that I had his fear early.

        Write about some special points that feel very untrue, and GZ with all the time in the world, simply needs to monitor the web with a high chance that every part of BDLR’s possible future strategies has already been dealt with or thought about one way or another “webwise”.

        So yes, I would be very interested in the way you tried to handle this, unfortunately so would GZ, O’Mara, West and the rest of the helping hands out there. I am puzzled about how to handle this paradox.

        This is just the tip of a larger iceberg, I am struggling with in this context.

        But whatever system you used. I think it would be best to start with the physical reenactment. Since we should expect him to realize at what point in the physical real world he was when the dispatcher asked him: Are you following him? And from there on look at what seems different. But also keep in mind to what extend it could be interpreted as a misunderstanding, because when he speaks he alludes to a physical reality only verbally. Something open to misinterpretation.

      • racerrodig@aol.com says:

        At trial that will be Zidiot Version 9 Mk. II C. What will that tale be..

        “………..um…..well, I forgot top say my gun went off my accident. …um…see, I went to hand my gun to Trayvon and it um…..just went off”

        BDLR “…who are you kidding, we have sworn statements and a reenactment where you said you drew your gun aimed and fired one round !!”

        Z “….I did ?……..um……oh look……….a red truck !”

    • Xena says:

      It should be “I looked to my right where he had gone….” and ran right after him.

      There’s where GZ lies. He didn’t see Trayvon go to his right. Since GZ had it in his mind that those who got away did so through the backgate, he, GZ, was going to his right to cut-through to RVC to head him off. It was that phone call from a love-struck young girl (not to make her feel guilty), who gave away Trayvon’s location. GZ heard Trayvon talking and realized that Trayvon was not running, and that his cut-off plan would work. It then took him less than 80 seconds to use that route and physically confront Trayvon.

      I’m beginning to think that GZ dropped his key ring with the flashlight on as a physical indication for where someone else (Osterman maybe) was to meet him as he marched the “suspect” back to his truck. The State has GZ’s phone records. If he called Osterman after ending his NEN call, they will know.

      • Patricia says:

        @Xena,

        But maybe George DID “look to his right” … DOWN THE STREET (George did say “street”) where Trayvon was running, then Trayvon cut through the first opening between condo buildings.

        George pursues, but runs PAST that first opening betrween buildings and cuts through the NEXT opening between buildings to catch Trayvon going south (toward the rear exit).

        While going through that NEXT opening, George runs/trips into something – a wall, or a tall sprinkler head (those damned sprinklers again!) and messes up his face and nose, runs into bushes —

        And then it is GEORGE who emerges “out of the bushes” and ambushes a startled – and scared – Trayvon, who had just told DeeDee that he had eluded the “creepy guy” (because the creepy guy had not followed him through the FIRST cut-through).

        So there they are, in the backyard dogwalk area and Trayvon is cut off from getting to safety at Brandy’s home.

        George advances on him, there’s the verbal challenge & response, a grab-and-shove-back, forcing Trayvon north, the fall, the on-the-ground wrangling, the kill.

        George never tells the cops he went through the NEXT cut-through because there’s blood all over the wall or other obstruction back there and the doesn’t want the cops to see that, hoping the rain washes it off – and it does.

        Consider this: there was NEVER an “Encounter at the T.” It’s another George Zimmerman lie.

        He pursued Trayvon with cunning.

        But Trayvon was not willing to acquiesce to this pervert.
        Trayvon tried to resist the assault, wrestled briefly with him.

        Then Zimmerman, gaining the ascendancy, shot him.

        Think on this.

        Does it fit the timeline?

        • Xena says:

          Consider this: there was NEVER an “Encounter at the T.”

          I agree.

          But Trayvon was not willing to acquiesce to this pervert. Trayvon tried to resist the assault, wrestled briefly with him. Then Zimmerman, gaining the ascendancy, shot him. Think on this. Does it fit the timeline?

          Patricia, I don’t think Trayvon had time to think about resisting because GZ went on him like white on rice. Any resistance was one of not being restrained because, how would Trayvon know why a creepy looking, undeputized nobody was trying to restrain him?

          One of the reasons I appreciate Dave’s video is because it’s virtual, giving me a physical look at the area. I originally thought that the dog path was much longer than it is. Also, it now gives me understanding what DeeDee meant when saying that Trayvon was going to run from the back. He was going to run from the back of Green’s house to the front. How was he to enter into a locked patio door on the back?

          DeeDee stated that Trayvon saw the creepy guy and he was getting closer to him. Trayvon would have been walking towards RVC (from the back) and GZ would have been walking towards Trayvon coming from RVC.

          GZ tells lies for “just in case.” He put himself on RVC just in case someone saw him there. How he got there is not known, but it took him a bit over a minute to get there.

      • Patricia says:

        @Xena,

        What is the timeline for the discovery of the keyring w/lit flashlight by the T? Did this happen AFTER folks started arriving? Could it have been placed there by “a friend of George” as a decoy signaling “George was here” when, in fact, he never was?

        • Xena says:

          @Xena, What is the timeline for the discovery of the keyring w/lit flashlight by the T?

          There is no timeline for the keychain and not once does GZ mention it — just like he doesn’t mention how he carried his tactical flashlight 40 ft while doing the shimmy.

          • Patricia says:

            @Xena –

            So it’s never mentioned in any police report which officer discovered it and recovered it – it was just swept up with the rest of the detritus and sent off with all the other physical evidence?

          • Xena says:

            @Xena – So it’s never mentioned in any police report which officer discovered it and recovered it – it was just swept up with the rest of the detritus and sent off with all the other physical evidence?

            I remember reading in discovery that it was seen and a marker placed there, but I don’t remember offhand who wrote the report.

          • Patricia says:

            @Xena –

            So George could have run to the outer road (Retreat View Circle). down Retreat View Circle toward the rear (south) exit, saw that Trayvon was not there yet, entered the dogwalk area by cutting between condo buildings on the EAST side, and encountered Trayvon down by Brandy’s house?

            There ARE tall bushes there.

            Would he have time to do all that running & chasing if he went east out to Retreat View Circle, then south, then west into the dogwalk area, then chased Trayvon north for the coup??

          • Xena says:

            @Xena – So George could have run to the outer road (Retreat View Circle). down Retreat View Circle toward the rear (south) exit, …

            Patricia, I’m sorry. Let me explain something. I grew up in Chicago — big city girl where there was a landmark on every corner. No one ever gave directions in terms of north, south, east, west. They said, for instance, “Go down 3 blocks. Turn left and after you pass the big Baptist church, look to the right for the address.” Or, “Take the A train that says “Central” and get off at Madison. Walk to your left to take that exit from the subway. You’ll see a tall brown building with blue awnings. That’s what you’re looking for.”

            IOWs, when people start talking about east, south, north and particularly, for areas I do not know, they might as well speak a foreign language.

            With that said, this is what I believe. GZ was NOT going to go on that dog path without his flashlight operating. He was standing at the T talking to dispatch banging that flashlight to get it to work. GZ could not see down the dog path but he hears Trayvon talking. This is in agreement with Trayvon’s phone log for when DeeDee called, and GZ’s NEN call for when his tone and plans on where to meet the cops changed.

            GZ found a short-cut from the T over to RVC. Trayvon would have been walking towards RVC to turn the corner and go to the front of Green’s house. Forsaking that route because cars can drive on RVC, he would have needed to call Chad to have him open the patio door, but Trayvon first wanted to complete his call with DeeDee and thought that he had lost the creepy guy.

            Trayvon told DeeDee that he saw the creepy guy again and he was getting closer. Trayvon would have been looking in front of him — not to his rear. GZ came from RVC. Trayvon turns his back to GZ and takes a few steps in the direction of the T when GZ jumps in front of him. Trayvon asks, “What are you following me for?”

            Now, DeeDee believes that Trayvon was pushed ONCE, but it is my belief that GZ pushed Trayvon when he asked “What are you doing here?” The second push knocked Trayvon off balance and DeeDee hears Trayvon yell “get off, get off.” GZ has Trayvon in a wrist-lock take down maneuver. It hurts. Trayvon screams “I’m begging you.”

            GZ took a swat at Trayvon with the tactical flashlight to shut him up (Ya, Ya, Ya). Trayvon raised his hand in defense which resulted in the cut to his ring finger on the palm side of his hand, below the knuckle. In doing so, the can of iced tea comes out of the bag.

            IMO, the reason some witnesses think they only saw one person on the ground (in an orange jacket) is because Trayvon was belly down trying to get away from GZ, while GZ was on top of Trayvon, at least half-way. That would also account for the debris found on Trayvon’s hoodie, shirt, socks and shoes, while no debris was found on GZ’s clothes — only the toe of his left boot. IOWs, there had to be weight on Trayvon to embed debris.

            From that position, they begin to roll. GZ scratches his head on something FLAT. (GZ thought it was a sign). The rock and roll ended with GZ on the bottom with Trayvon pushing down GZ’s shoulders while trying to get up. A witness stated that he saw this position with GZ leaning to the his left, raising his right-side up. That is when GZ went for his gun. Trayvon managed to stand and GZ grabbed his shirts, resulting in GZ’s head touching the bottom of Trayvon’s shirt, leaving a spot of blood.

            GZ continues holding onto Trayvon’s shirts until he raised to his feet and then shot Trayvon. By firing with one hand, the recoil hit him in the nose.

            From confrontation to gunshot took about 2 minutes.

          • Patricia says:

            @Xena –

            Fairly takes my breath away, Xena.
            POWERFUL narrative!

            Being a north-south-east-west farmer, what I’m reading is that George never ventured down the dogwalk from the T, and instead of coming back to the T (or his truck) he hustled over to Reeat View Circle, then ran down Retreat View Circle toward the “back entrance” where he spotted Trayvon who was preparing to leave the dogwalk area to go to Brandy’s house to get let in.

            Where was GZ standing when he heard Trayvon’s phone ring or heard Trayvon talking on the phone (while GZ was on 311 w/Sean)?

            And where was Trayvon located at that point? Quite far down in the dogwalk area where GZ could not see?

            I am fascinated by how you have developed this scenario and want to think about it more. It has merit and is promising. Dynamic!

          • Xena says:

            @Xena – Fairly takes my breath away, Xena. POWERFUL narrative! Being a north-south-east-west farmer,

            Well, if it helps, since moving out of the big city, I have learned to pay attention to the sun in the mornings and towards dusk. Just don’t send me anywhere I’m unfamiliar with before dawn or after dusk unless I have “left, right” directions. LOL!

            Where was GZ standing when he heard Trayvon’s phone ring or heard Trayvon talking on the phone (while GZ was on 311 w/Sean)?

            IMO, GZ was standing at or just down the T. Again, IMO, he would not go down the dog path without a working flashlight. He was trying too hard to get it to work. GZ also said “He ran” indicating that he did not see Trayvon DOWN THE T. This is the part where GZ tells the truth, “I looked down the T and didn’t see him.”

            And where was Trayvon located at that point? Quite far down in the dogwalk area where GZ could not see?

            That’s my guess.

            I am fascinated by how you have developed this scenario and want to think about it more. It has merit and is promising. Dynamic!

            Why, thank you. 🙂 I try to connect all the dots, not omitting any evidence as we know it.

      • rachael says:

        Patricia, I don’t know if it fits the timeline, but it is along the lines of what I have always thought happened. Hopefully someone can tell us if it does.

        • Patricia says:

          @Rachael –

          I’m open to every possibility. This weekend’s discussion has opened my mind to more possibilities.

          I thought, “George has lied about so many things, why do I have to consider his story about heading past the T — or even being AT the T – some kind of truth?”

          George often tells the real story with his mumbles and offsides and fidgety digressions.

          Focusing on the T may have been a “decoy” to keep the cops from investigating “the real pathway” of his pursuit.

          George never said, in the re-enactment, “Look, here’s where the sidewalk was all bloody, where he attacked me.”

          Because it was “all bloody” back in the alley somewhere …

          Where HE, George Zimmerman, “came out of the bushes.”

          Possible?

      • Xena says:

        I thought, “George has lied about so many things, why do I have to consider his story about heading past the T — or even being AT the T – some kind of truth?”

        Patricia, GZ lies are “just in case.” He had to use the T in his story just in case someone saw him there. He had to use RVC just in case someone saw him there. He had to give a story of spreading Trayvon’s arms out just in case his DNA showed up on Trayvon’s wrists or clothing. Thus, GZ was at the T, but not as he says. He was on RVC, but not as he says. He was on Trayvon’s back, but not as he says.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena, could you please tell me why the morons at HP keep thinking the cell phone pings of Trayvon’s phone is so damn important? they seem to think that there is something in Tray’s phone records as well as the cell tower pings that will be helpful to this POS. I think they are just grasping at straws just like O’haha. I tell you, that site is a full blown cesspool and, the brass at THP just don’t care how they are trashing a deceased child. that is why they stay there because they will not be allowed to take over boards on other web sites like they have over there. I never heard not one black person speaking bad of Caylee or Haleigh. those people are doing a good job at showing the rest of the world just how ignorant they are.

        • Xena says:

          @Xena, could you please tell me why the morons at HP keep thinking the cell phone pings of Trayvon’s phone is so damn important? they seem to think that there is something in Tray’s phone records as well as the cell tower pings that will be helpful to this POS.

          Two reasons. One, they don’t want to accept that GZ stalked Trayvon for more than 15 minutes before he called NEN.

          Two, they have a theory that Trayvon knew GZ would chase him, how long he would be out of his truck, what path he would take, and doubled-back to wait in ambush.

          For both theories to work, it would require that Trayvon was never on his phone with DeeDee and/or, that he has no phone records. In the alternative, for the Zidiots’ theory to work, it would mean getting “pings” to prove that Trayvon doubled-back.

          That theory is the classic Steppin’ Fetchit mentality, and KKK “coon hunt”; i.e., that Trayvon had no rights to do anything other than continue running until he was safe and sound inside Green’s house where the “dog” (GZ) could not smell him.

        • racerrodig says:

          HuffnPuff is a full blown cesspool, that’s for sure. The day after the election, most of the members of Team Trayvon were banned for no reason. Not it’s all racist all the time and on Black Voices no less.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Patricia, I have wondered if there could have been something such as the things that you described, that could account for his minor boo boo’s, if LE had done a through investigation in this case, it would have been very possible for them to extract his DNA from those items, even after the rain had ceased. I guarantee you someone saw him in the very area you are speaking of. I think this POS was under charged and with all of the evidence against him, why don’t they bump him up on M1. if I were prosecuting him, I would do just that and seek the DP. if there was ever any body who deserved to be executed, it would be George Zimmerman hands down.

        • rayvenwolf says:

          @Lady I honestly believe that at some point during his stay with the big dogs his fat mouth will cash a check his behind can’t cash. He can’t help himself and he’s gonna say the wrong thing to the very wrong person and that as they say will be that.

          GZ lacks the serious street skills and basic common sense to keep his mouth shut and his head down, two survival skill traits most necessary to survive if you aren’t willing to join up with whomever will take you.

      • Malisha says:

        It just struck me now: the whole time Trayvon Martin was trying to get away from George, George was considering THAT — the evasive actions, the running, the escape itself — suspicious conduct! On Hannity, he said, “He wasn’t running from fear — ” and then when Hannity asked for an explanation, he concluded, “He wasn’t running.” The real issue is TO GEORGE the running itself was criminal conduct. George thinks inferior people owe him an explanation of what they’re doing and especially if they are NOT doing something he has instructed them to do. How dare this suspicious kid, who was up to no good, try to get away from him instead of standing at attention, saluting, and coming clean? Trayvon’s attempt to flee George was, in George’s twisted mind, per se wrongful. “The suspect” was trying so hard to get away that his rights, if any, vanished as his efforts increased. “The suspect” was in a cop show — a cop show in George’s mind — and he was the guilty punk running, the asshole trying to get away, and by the time George caught up with him, he really DESERVED the drawn gun, the threats, the interrogation, the killing. But he wasn’t “running from fear”; he was running from AUTHORITY!

        • jm says:

          “But he wasn’t “running from fear”; he was running from AUTHORITY!”

          Don’t you mean he wasn’t running from fear but rather “skipping” from AUTHORITY?

          What a crazy-azz fool GZ is and even crazier are the people who support him emotionally and/or financially.

        • Xena says:

          But he wasn’t “running from fear”; he was running from AUTHORITY!

          Yeah. You got it. That undeputized, couldn’t pay his bills; couldn’t pass required college courses; failure at business; gang tattooed, obese, gun carrying idiot, sees himself as some type of authority.

      • racerrodig@aol.com says:

        “I’m beginning to think that GZ dropped his key ring with the flashlight on as a physical indication for where someone else (Osterman maybe) was to meet him as he marched the “suspect” back to his truck. The State has GZ’s phone records. If he called Osterman after ending his NEN call, they will know.”

        BINGO !! I have been saying, and have a connection to back me up about phone records. I said it before…..I’ll say it again. BBQ for all of Team Trayvon in celebration soon.

        • Xena says:

          BINGO !! I have been saying, and have a connection to back me up about phone records. I said it before…..I’ll say it again. BBQ for all of Team Trayvon in celebration soon.

          Racerrodig, I remember reading in discovery also where the State either requested or has GZ’s phone records for a period beginning in March. Just like the clubhouse videos, the State knows the evidence it has and is not showing their hand to MOM. He should be talking to GZ about those things rather than trying to argue a racist conspiracy theory.

          • @Xena: Question? Not being an attorney, I can only learn from the people here especially you and the Professor and the other wonderful minds on here. Since the state has to share all of its info with the defense, I am sure that Mark O’Idiot has heard the 911 phone call, the NEN phone call, and all of the information that we have. Why hasn’t he asked for a plea deal? His client is guilty. How does Mark O’Idiot explain all of the lack of physical injuries, the different scenario’s, the lack of DNA or blood on the hands of TM? When he reads and see’s the

          • Xena says:

            @Xena: Question? Not being an attorney, I can only learn from the people here especially you and the Professor and the other wonderful minds on here.

            I’m not an attorney either, just a Della Street type, legal researcher who is better than some law clerks, Legal Self-Help Center manager, and the best darn right-hand person an attorney can ever have, who is now retired. LOL.

            Why hasn’t he asked for a plea deal? His client is guilty. How does Mark O’Idiot explain all of the lack of physical injuries, the different scenario’s, the lack of DNA or blood on the hands of TM?

            We don’t know that MOM hasn’t told GZ that he has no defense and should agree to a plea deal. It’s really up to GZ what he wants to do. MOM is dealing with a client who believes that he can convince God Almighty that everything that happened on 2/26/12 was his will. .

          • racerrodig says:

            And it’s never a good idea to use God as an alibi. I still think Z has some “Manson” like hold on O’ Mara…..don’t know why, but that’s what I see.

          • jm says:

            racerrodig says: “I still think Z has some “Manson” like hold on O’ Mara…..don’t know why, but that’s what I see.”

            The only Manson-like hold I can see that Zimmerman has on MOM is $400 an hour for his service with Zimbecile followers/supporters willing to pay the MOM’s price.

            I could be wrong but I think the money is the only motivator for MOM.

          • racerrodig says:

            That could be true, but his lies are what bother me. When he sat there during the Hannity interview like a “…potted palm..” then held a press conference where he stated it is undisputed his clients nose is broken, I can only think there is more going on here.

          • Xena says:

            I still think Z has some “Manson” like hold on O’ Mara…..don’t know why, but that’s what I see.

            GZ has a threatening quality about himself. That can be discerned from his MySpace entries as well as the demeanor he demonstrated on his NEN call and his chit-chat with Singleton. IMO, he uses his “connections” to instill fear in others — does not hesitate to introduce his dad in conversations, and tries to get people to talk about their personal lives so he will have something to twist around to threatened them with in terms of “exposing” them.

            IDK, but IMO, once GZ has shown that he has people who go on national media, he can use that like emotional extortion to control others. We know by the way MOM is proceeding that he is a wannabee blackmailer in his heart. If he can find dirt, he will try using it to control Trayvon’s parents, attorneys, witnesses — not defend GZ.

            Put two people like that together, and it can be compared to a Mafia type of operation.

          • racerrodig says:

            I can’t argue that. I’d say he specifically told O’ Mara find what dirt you can and that will stop them. That’s part of the Zidiot Nation Charter. Create websites to denigrate the actual victim. Post that thug stuff everywhere.

            Yep…he’s more hateable every day.

          • @Xena! Happy Vets Day Xena! Just wondering why Mark O’Idiot would not tell his client what he has in his evidence file. How does he prepare a defense for his client without asking him questions about the many inconsistencies in his story? His so called injuries? The 911 phone call of TM begging and pleading? The lack of G’s DNA on TM’s hands or sleeves? Wouldn’t an attorney ask his client any of these questions? G himself knows he is a liar. Why doesn’t he explain why his head does not resemble a bashed watermelon? Get my drift? Yes, I am pretty pragmatic here, but I don’t understand how I can continue to think that I can lie my way out of this when I know that the evidence does not fit!!!!!!!!!!

            For the record, I called out the poster “Newbee” on HP. I am having so much fun! I know that is GZ or a close friend. He is baffled and is unable to respond to me. He gets upset when you present the evidence and he cannot refute it, especially the medical evidence. If you read his posts from the past and now, he is to familiar and to personal with his information. It is like he was there?? Because he was was??

          • racerrodig says:

            For the record.newbie is GZ. The day after the election, many of us diehard members of Team Trayvon were banned for no reason. The ones who spoke the loudest and asked the most questions got canned. Tell that rat bastard I said ………well, you know what I mean.

          • @Race:Hey Race!

            I figured that? His information and responses was very personal, and he kept posting what GZ did and negative info on TM that he believes he knows for a fact. He is very revealing in his posts. Check out his posts and responses. I went back and studied his posts and the responses, and I was like,this individual must be GZ. None of the other posters take exception with our responses like this individual does. None of them. Plus, he has his own face in the Avator! How stupid!

            Since I know this now, I am sure I will be kicked off too, but I will come back with another name! He didn’t like what I said about the lack of medical injuries in his private response back. I responded that GZ was a BS liar, a dumb bunny who cannot complete college, still living in his car, not paying his rent etc,. LOL! I also stated that GZ cannot outwit detectives and experienced Medical Personnel like myself, who have had to much experience with the type of injuries that he described he sustained and they do not match one getting hs head bashed on the concrete. His lack of documentation was also a factor in why he I was suspicious from the get go. he hated that one. As long as he post, he will be insulted at every turn!

          • rayvenwolf says:

            Well that answers the question of just how dumb Pudgy really is. I mean REALLY. If it really is him he better hope no one hacks their way into verifying that and passes that info along to certain lawyers if he’s running his mouth and digging the whole deeper with information he shouldn’t be throwing out.

          • racerrodig says:

            He’s been at it on different sites since about May. If the prosecution takes it farther, it would be a real hoot if they show up one day with a pile of printouts 5 foot high and the likes of us are arguing with him. I’ve been calling him George since about August. Never a denial.

            BDLR “…Okay Mr. Zimmerman, you say you have never tried to influence any potential juror, is that correct”

            Zidiot “……um…..well, how would I do that. Umm, you see, I don’t know any jurors.

            BDLR “I never said you did…I said “..potential juror’s” are you aware of what that means?”

            Zidiot “…..um, I guess, but ……..”

            BDLR “Mr. Zimmerman, I have these print outs of your AOL account, and others….. where you used a fraudulent name. Does this name newbee 100 ring a bell?”

            Zidiot “………..oh, I can explain that. See….ummmm, well there was this real suspicious guy on the internet, um racerrodig, and he kept saying I, um….well George, that is Trayvon never attacked me, er George. So since I was there, er…..ummmmm, well I read that ……well Taaffe told me use the name………..then SheLie said dinner’s ready and then my computer and ummm…..some guy named Doyle said ……and I never, er George not me George, the other George…………..and………….ummmmmm “

          • rayvenwolf says:

            thanks race now I have to go change my shirt. I spilled my coffee laughing so hard at that.

          • Would be extremely stupid for George Zimmerman to be posting comments because the State will figure it out and collect all of his comments for potential use during the trial. If he is posting comments, I’m pretty sure he’s doing it against O’Mara’s advice.

          • @Greeting Professor Leatherman:

            George Z. is stupid and that is why he is where he is today. I am sure his attorney does not know that he is leaking information on line and denigrating TM. Are you sure that he didn’t know TM previously? His hatred for this kid is innate.

            BTW, one of the sock puppets felt that he needed to insult your character and integrity and your family, but I put him/her/it on blast! They have not posted anything since. Why does GZ feel he can compete with adults older, wiser and more maturer than he is? The roads he has traveled in life, most of us have traveled them and done very well. In his case, that is not the case.

            Why GZ is spending his time on line on HP posting all day is beyond me. Someone really needs to monitor his posts. I was sure it was GZ a few weeks back too. His writings were just to personal, and to revealing. I hope he continues posting so he can hang himself further! He does not like me, and he sends personal responses as well, and I cut and paste and save every one of them too!

          • Patricia says:

            @Deborah,

            If the FBI can trace Petraeus’s lover, they can trace Zimmerman’s e-mails. If they are racially abusive, oooooh, Georgie, wash your hard drive out with soap!

          • racerrodig says:

            I can tell you this. He is in the cross hairs.

          • @Race:
            I hope they are tracing his e-mails and hs posts. This dude stays on line all day long stuffing his face at the same time! Look Race, you have to change your screen-name if you want to get a new account on HP. The sock puppets do it all the time. If you look at Newbee100 Avatar? There is a photo of GZ in it. Not one other poster has that haunting photo! That is a very personal photo. He also has some moniker under the photo, which states, “TM, why do you bash me?” WTF? I couldn’t believe it!I told him that he was one sick twisted puppy, of course pretending that I did not know it was him even though I do! No wonder he couldn’t pass any of his college courses! Have you observed his writing skills and language? Did he even finish High School?

          • racerrodig says:

            Oh he’s moron for sure. He says everything in 1st person. It’s not even a challenge slapping them silly. They don’t have a collective double digit IQ.

          • racerrodig says:

            He’s already proved he’s that stupid. He’s also proved that he never learns his lesson. His snicker puss is going to disappear soon and evolve into a look only a Bubba could love.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            If you think it could be GZ, then ask him some pointed questions in a conciliatory way, pretending to be a GZ supporter (with a new handle of course), pretend to fret over; “why such big bandages?” Couldn’t they have made them more reasonable sized? Since that could appear incriminating if the video got shown to a jury. Just stick to the little things, pretending to want to help. Maybe something will hit him the wrong way and he’ll spill. You know, the way clever “catty” women have that can get under the skin without revealing their true intent. Needling in the guise of clarity and such. Let us know how it goes.

          • Brown says:

            Lonnie, why are you sending in a “man” that only a “catty” woman can do. : ^ ))))

          • Lonnie, at this point I must advise you that you have the right to remain silent, etc.

            👿

          • Brown says:

            i would take that advice, Lonnie. LOL

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            So it is written… So shall it be done!

          • racerrodig says:

            Well, I do have experience with Zidiots you know !!

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep, smacking them in the face, calling them out with questions, not that they ever answer any, poking them in their racist eyes, outright owning them, as the kids say…..yep, most of us have some experience with Zidiots.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I stand corrected, go get’em tiger!!!

          • jm says:

            Brown says: Lonnie, why are you sending in a “man” that only a “catty” woman can do. : ^ ))))

            Would I be incorrect to believe Lonnie can think along the lines of a “catty” woman and could do the job as well. 😉

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Only with superhuman effort.

          • Brown says:

            I’ll go with that lol

          • racerrodig says:

            Mission accomplished. The codes are

            The chair is against the wall The chair is against the wall

            John has a long mustache John has a long mustache

          • @Lonnie: Hey Lonnie! Glad to know you and the family are doing well! I remember the ’87 storm. My oldest daughter was 3 then and I remember we were huddled in the bed because she was scared. I have never seen a storm in the NYC area like Sandy! Look at the devasation it brought and caused and two weeks later, people are still without electicity, heat and water and their homes. SMH. I truly do believe in Global Warning now!

            Anyway, those bandages that GZ had on his head were not bandages, they were mini pads! LOL! If Shellie wanted to be a Nurse, let me tell her that as a Nurse myself, she failed!! Head injuries are wrapped with gauze and you the head is shaved. You do not place bandages on a head injury. I have never seen that in my life! How pitiful and sad that these two wanted to exaggerate his so called head wounds. If he was so injured, why didn’t he go to the hospital and let the Dr. wrap his head injuries?

          • Brown says:

            @DGM

            you said

            Anyway, those bandages that GZ had on his head were not bandages, they were mini pads! LOL!

            LMFAO

            No no better yet there were “the light days” SZ to GZ.” There honey you will feel protected even though it is not a heavy day and they have a nice clean fresh scent”

            LMFAO

            hahaha

          • racerrodig says:

            Well, in all honesty, his 2 watt brother did say “…diapers for the rest of his life…” Little did he know that video would pop up !!

          • Brown says:

            You guys are too much I’m in tears laughing

          • racerrodig says:

            This is why I got banned from HP…and this is what I do !!

          • Brown says:

            Go Speed Racer! Go Speed Racer ! Goooooooooooo

          • racerrodig says:

            Thank You….it’s as we all know “Child’s Play”

          • @Race: I didn’t know that you got banned form HP? WHY? I talk trash every day, curse and insult GZ and I am still there! I don’t think that they care really but when they ban me, I will be back under another screen name!

          • racerrodig says:

            The day after the election many of us were banned for no reason. It seems that if you are outspoken and make intelligent comments, back with facts and hold your ground, the Zidiot Patrol just flags and reports every comment. Losers All !

          • @Race: LMAO! You have me dying over here! LOL! When i saw those bandages, I was rolling! How did Shellie secure those damn mini pads? LOL! Didn’t they itch? He probably ripped them off once he got back to his rented apt. paid for by his dad or was that his car he was living out of? LOL! I don’t see GZ on HP today but I have not went thru my e-mails as of yet.

          • racerrodig says:

            He got on about an hour ago. My connection says he was at
            O’ Mara’s today. Just talked to him about one of his cars. The time fits as to “getting it on” if true.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            During the 87 storm I wrapped myself in layers of spandex and duct taped garbage bags to make a sort of wet suit and I was able to bike ride Manhattan from 219th street to South Ferry, it was an incredible ride. They had shuttered both the east and west side highways, and I was able to ride my bike through “puddles” that were chest high. While EMT’s were struggling to get people trapped out of stranded vehicles and putting them in thermal blankets. As I emerged from on of these almost neck deep lakes on the highway, the EMT’s rushed over to me (because it was so cold out), I had to explain to them how I was dressed and that I had already ridden around most of Manhattan, before they finally decided I did not need any treatments. When I got home and peeled off the layers I discovered I was soaking wet. I had actually made a wet suit out of layers of spandex, cotton and plastic. Too bad I didn’t have a camera, that was the ride of my life!!!

            Anyway, what you are showing is that it was more than just GZ himself, who wanted to avoid close medical inspection of his wounds.
            So that makes 3 things the police provided him with assistance with, just with the wounds.

            Maybe we should begin a collection of how many ways the police assisted GZ with his saga?

          • You have identified one of the cross examination techniques that I used. Yes, indeed. It’s very effective with someone who exaggerates and can never stop talking.

          • racerrodig says:

            I think I’ll take Lonnie’s advice and give it a try. When he knew I was a member of Team Trayvon, and hated everything he said, he would very often talk in 1st person and relate things in a manner that only a very smart person experienced in disinformation would know how to do………….or an idiot would do because he’s, well, an idiot.

          • @Racerodig:
            Hey Race! That fool is still talking in the first person, but in GZ’s case, he is the first person, the second person and the third person from the looks of him! LOL! LLMPapa has a new video out and do you know that in the video, he is being interviewed by I believe Serrino? I am not good with voices, so don’t quote me but I will ask LLMPapa when he posts. GZ describes TM crying out for HELP as TM is smothering him??? I was like, “Did hGZ just say what I thought he did?” Has the prosecution team heard this? What a dumbo! Does GZ realize what he just said? I am surprised I never caught this myself. I believe I will mention it when I go back to HP and post to “Newbee100” who we all know is GZ. I will state the latest video from LLMPapa, and what GZ uttered in his interview! LMAO! GZ also has that photo in his Avator that LLMPapa has on the front of his new video. The one I cannot stand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            I saw that video a few minutes ago. Yep…that’s what he said.

          • racerrodig says:

            I think I’ll give that a try. As much as that place is a cesspool of racist’s, not a bad idea.

          • racerrodig says:

            Can you walk me as to how to get back on with another name. I’m not that computer savvy in some regards. You have it nailed. Back in the summer when I first suspected that Z and his Klan might be posters, I narrowed it down by …….no, Trayvon never …..George”
            When I was wrong, it hit the fan by the response and denial. With newbee, who had other names, there was never a denial. But he did what you’ve seen. The information in 1st person.

          • @Race: GZ continues to deny, deny and reveal information little by little. He even mocks that kid. He is disgusting. I told “him” that we had a patient come into the hospital who had his head bashed in and he had a sub-dural hematoma. That was only one BASH! Of cousre “it” came back with some BS response! The problem with GZ is that he thinks he knows it all, and he doesn’t. He is young and stupid and that shows!

            Also, I sent you in another box, how you can get on HP. You use another screen-name. You don’t have to be computer savy. I have another screen name on HP and that is how I got on there. I knew you had G pegged from day 1! He must hate you and all of us by now, but it is because we know he is a liar and he is guilty! Don’t worry, I will tell him to go jump off a bridge for you, but as huge as he is, he may go through the bridge!

          • racerrodig says:

            Oh, he, and a few others hate me so bad it’s laughable. They report everything I say and flag every post. Do I even want to go back there ? I have a friend who goes on there and slaps the snot out of them but is more subtle than I am. We played off of each other. He spanked Dino so bad one day, I was ready to pass out. The problem is Dino is so stupid he doesn’t even see what is going on.

            The more they hate me, the more I know how right I am. I love having connections or just making a statement like ” Security Camera Video” That drove them insane.

          • Xena says:

            Get my drift?

            Deborah, happy veterans day to you!! Thanks for your service. I’m getting ready to go out with my son for his free meal at Golden Corral.

            Yes, I get your drift. From the beginning of GZ’s advocates going to the media, his defense has been injuries to his nose and head. For them, evidence can be overcome by belief in GZ’s words as to how he acquired those boo-boos. Since there are no witnesses saying otherwise, they want to stick with “Look at his head! Look at his nose!”

            Such life-threatening injuries that did not compel the EMTs to put his behind in an ambulance and take him to a hospital!!! Such life-threatening injuries that GZ went to work the next day and THEN to his personal physician to get a note approving his RETURN to work. (Sounds to me that he was off work the previous week.)

            Anyway, type at you later.

          • racerrodig says:

            You are using common sense….how dare you. The same Moron
            O’ Mara who stated it is undisputed his client had a broken nose. I could loose my mind trying to figure these liars out.

            Look at the positive side….picture Z’s face when the jury states guilty. Will that fat lug turn and smirk at the gallery ??

          • racerrodig says:

            They have his phone records from before the murder. He’s got more problems than one can imagine. The state also has the refund of his CCW permit classes. There is more, which explains why they are concerned with finding some obscure tid bit about the victim. Hey, I got into a fistfight in 6th grade…..make something of it O’ Mara !!

          • Xena says:

            The state also has the refund of his CCW permit classes.

            That would explain why the State did not issue the requirement from GZ that they did for ShelLIE in revoking her CCW permit — because there was nothing to revoke. Thanks for the info.

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep, kind of like driving without a license & having an accident. No matter what, it’s you who is wrong. The refund was in the 1st document dump as I recall. I have a copy of the “FLORIDA FIREARMS law, Use & Ownership” manual provided to me by a customer of mine in FL.

            Besides the NW watch laws he broke, it is unlawful to follow anyone while armed for any reason. Gee….imagine that. I guess the lawmakers knew something bad could happen. It clearly states that all property damage, injuries & deaths are the shooters fault no matter the circumstances. There are “exceptions” and it cites SD & SYG but mentions that if you started any contact and use deadly force…..you get the opportunity to have a room mate named Bubba.

          • Brown says:

            @Racer

            I am looking for that refund you are talking about can you give me a page or some direction please. Inquiring minds want to see : ^ )

          • racerrodig says:

            I forget exactly where but I’ll look. My LE connection verified it also.

          • Brown says:

            Many many thanks. : ^ )))

          • Xena says:

            There are “exceptions” and it cites SD & SYG but mentions that if you started any contact and use deadly force…..you get the opportunity to have a room mate named Bubba.

            Yeah. You got it. This morning “In Session” continued reporting the State of Florida v. Martin case. James Martin is accused of attempted murder. He claimed self-defense. When his attorney moved for dismissal, jurors were escorted from the courtroom so the motion could be heard.

            The State argued that having a knife and a gun is primi facie evidence of premeditation to commit murder. After the prosecution rested, the judge recapped testimony and evidence and denied James Martin’s motion to dismiss.

            When considering what GZ said in his NEN call, that he concealed carried a loaded gun and took a posture that evening of being NW, the State of Florida’s argument in the James Martin case applies in GZ’s case, establishing that GZ was prepared for confrontation, initiated confrontation, and used deadly force to end the confrontation.

          • racerrodig says:

            My dad, who was a cop for 30 years always always said “…any civilian who leaves the house with a gun is LOOKING for trouble”

            He also said “…..check your firearms at the door…….on the way out”

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            GZ also came armed with a very nasty attitude, who here has ever heard a “mild mannered” person, describe a complete stranger as an “a$$hole”??? GZ is stupid enough to think that, all it takes to be considered “mild mannered” is to speak softly. Of course that’s not true, and you can hear that in his new quiet voice, the one he’s adopting in an effort to fool the public. The 911 tape, however, reveals that GZ is not a quiet or even soft spoken person.

            I’d sure like to hear a tape of him speaking to some of those people he’s offended over time, my guess is it wouldn’t sound “mild mannered” at all.

          • racerrodig says:

            I can’t wait for the “All New & Improved Z” to resort to the “Old Moronic & Racist Z” on the stand. Ohhhh & it’s coming.

    • Malisha says:

      If in fact what he said to the voice-stress-test guy was correct, then he would have done the following:

      When he got to the T and “looked to the right where he had gone,” he would have called NEN and said, “OK, I’m out of the car now and I’m standing at the T in the sidewalk at the dog walk area between the left branch of RVC and the right branch of RVC [I don’t know east from west and can’t figure it out] and I’m looking down this lane of houses and I don’t see him.”

      • @Malisha: We all know that GZ is a crazy ass fool! I was astounded when I first heard him refer to TM as “the suspect?” What suspect? I hope the DA questions him on his use of the word, “suspect?” Does he envision himself as a cop because his profiling, pursuing, detaining and questioning TM sounds along the lines of his thinking and believing he is a cop! The dude is crazy!

        • Xena says:

          I hope the DA questions him on his use of the word, “suspect?”

          Yes, along with the giving up nonsense when he describes Trayvon sitting up after he fired his gun. Giving up to whom for what?

      • racerrodig says:

        That’s one option. How about
        “…are you following him…”
        “…yeah..”
        “..okay…we don’t need you to do that…”

        “…um…how about if I plant my fat stupid ass right here and I’m at this T shaped dog walk behind XXXX buildings. If he pops back up, I’ll let you know, but in the meantime, since I’m a scared fat dumb shithead, I’ll stay on the phone, that way everything is documented so I don’t get into any trouble I can’t talk my way out of. Since I’m packing heat and I might just lose my cool and waste an innocent person…..just sayin’ officer”

  18. Jun says:

    I cant wait for George to explain, after having his head spin trying to lie his way out of the various inconsistencies and contradictions in the beginning of the chase, why there is no forensic evidence of his attack, any type of confrontation never took place at the T nor is there any evidence that supports a confrontation at the T, why he lied about this, and if he did not stalk and chase this kid, how he ended up down the back pathway chasing the kid as witnessed by multiple witnesses, who saw him chase and confront the kid down the back pathway.

  19. racerrodig@aol.com says:

    I’ll say this again as far as Miranda.

    When he was told about Miranda, he said…..”..um, no….you’re confused, her name is SheLie…”

    Then on April 11th there was this exchange

    Officer “Mr. Zimmerman, you have the right to remain silent….”

    Z “……………….um, okay…………..but why would I do that……I have so many more versions to tell you”

    So is it me, or does this moron think this item escapes us. He goes
    “looking” for an address he won’t find, and won’t use because he’s “on the hunt” tells the police to “…call me…” (what….are we “doing lunch”) I’ll look for an address ?? that I never get, never disclose and then make a big deal about in all my interviews. The address isn’t even where I’ll be……but lets talk about that effort to get an address.

    THEN he’s afraid to disclose his address because Trayvon might hear it and take revenge because he what……called the police !!

    Is it me again or does he say he ran, doesn’t know where then says he went down the dog walk, then keeps going to the end at RVC turn around and then what ??? If he says he went down there, why are you going over there……???

    Just how many holes in one story are allowed ?? Is there an over / under ? If there is I’ll take 275 and put $20.00 on it.

    This guy gets more hateable everyday.

    • I can see you on a stage delivering that monologue.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO I cant wait for him to explain why he needed an address on the other side of the street if he wasnt stalking and chasing the kid, and what the address he got was, and why did he get that address and then walk back to his car

      • Malisha says:

        Jun, here’s how it goes.

        George, to NEN:

        Um, Hello, this is George again. I have some addresses for you now.

        Sean: Are these addresses where the guy is?

        George: No, he ran. These assholes always get away. These are addresses where he is NOT.

        Sean: OK, so what is your address George?

        George: To be honest with you, I have a bad memory. Could we just skip to the addresses where the suspect is NOT? Because I remember THEM, now, and I don’t want to go back to my truck because then I’ll forget again.

        Sean: OK, shoot.

        George: Firssssst, one one, one oh, uh, Retreat View Circle, uh, tell them to go left, and…

        Sean: That’s the club house?

        George: Yeah, and he’s not there.

        Sean: OK, where else isn’t he?

        George: He’s… [slap slap, slap slap] shit… one two one one, uh…

        Sean: George? Are you there?

        George: Where?

        Sean: Wherever you are now?

        George: Just tell them to call me, OK?

        Sean: Call you?

        George: Yeah, call me maybe.

        Sean: That’s a song, George.

        George: Uh…well numbers all around, flying by, up and down,
        Some as slow as Christmas coming, Some like the speed of sound, And we all wonder, what they mean, The highs, the lows, the in betweens, Most of them mean absolutely nothing But some of them mean everything…

        Sean: George, do you see the suspicious guy?

        George: Negative. Lost visual on the suspect. Sing a song of sixpence, pocket full of rye, four and twenty blackbirds baked into a pie,…

        Sean: George, do you still want the officers to meet you there?

        George: Rescue me, Come on and rescue me, Come on baby and rescue me, Come on baby and rescue me, ‘Coz I need you by my side, Can’t you see that I’m lonely, Rescue meeeeee…

      • Tee says:

        Malisha has me over here ROTF LMAO!

      • Jun says:

        George thinks to himself

        “This dispatcher is up to no good, I dont know what his deal is, he’s black”

      • rachael says:

        OMG Malisha, I swear I peed my pants!!!

      • Xena says:

        @Malisha. What are you drinking tonight? I think I want to try it. 🙂

      • dr. koura says:

        @malisha…what an incredible laugh you gave me…hellarious!!

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Giggles!

      • Malisha……Just……a……moment…..can’t…breath…….from… laughing so hard………..ow………. 😀

    • rachael says:

      “……………….um, okay…………..but why would I do that……I have so many more versions to tell you”

      LOL

  20. Colin Black says:

    Stop Press Defence requests extension unable to proceed June 10th..The TERROR of trying to defend this no win senerio case the TERROR of actualy wadeing through all those boreing long depos the Terror of not being compensated more likely castigated……………..Omarra Bin Laden down with to much toil trouble an strife

    • Xena says:

      Now, now Colin. Maybe GZ just wants to diet first so he can look for the jurors. Or, maybe MOM deposed someone whose sworn statement just chewed up his strategy.

      • Jun says:

        Omara: The state’s case is weak. There is a conspiracy against my client. This case is not about him killing this kid, I mean defended himself. This case is about politics.

        Omara: We will be filing for an immunity hearing around April of next year

        Judge: The trial is set for June 10th, 2013. You have until April to file for an immunity hearing, of next year.

        Omara: I need an extension.

        LOL

        • Xena says:

          Omara: The state’s case is weak. There is a conspiracy against my client.

          Yeah. Sure.
          Judge Nelson: Counselor, when did you become aware of this alleged conspiracy?

          O’Mara: Around September your honor.

          Judge Nelson: That would be about 5 months after the defendant was charged, right? How did you come into knowledge of this alleged conspiracy?

          O’Mara: Well your honor, there’s a blog and Mr. Zimmerman’s supporters comment on it and made me aware of the conspiracy.

          Judge Nelson: Have you listed them as witnesses? Has the State deposed them?

          O’Mara: No your honor.

          Judge Nelson: I’m sorry counselor but if you don’t have witnesses from that blog to testify and bring evidence of the alleged conspiracy, I cannot hear that issue and you will need to be ready for trial as scheduled.

    • ladystclaire says:

      @Colin Black, I’m kind of put out with this judge for the way she has caved for the defense in just about everything they have asked for. she told them that there would be no extensions granted when she set the June 10th trial date and now here they are trying to force the issue. hopefully she will deny their request as she should. this is a d**n shame. anything to keep delaying this trial, the defense will try it. Judge Nelson please say NO to this POS! ……

  21. Colin Black says:

    kUDOUS Dave Pappa an Fredrik ………You ken who I am Dave thanks for your comitment an thanks to LILLMPAPA TRENT SAWER ….Xena.C Native,,thanks to all of your strength of beleif in Justice as oppose to JUST US …………..TRAYVON SHALL ALWAYS LIVE ON…In our sense of right an wrong justice truth .An ultimitly acountability………..An i m o many more than geeezzz sir yes sir no sir three bags full sir georgie pogie are acountable for leting Trayvon an his Loved ones down that night….GZ Murderd him SPD Enabled him to walk….unscathed both litrarly an reality..

  22. I was out running errands today.

  23. Malisha says:

    OK, George’s story is disproven.

    He could not have done what he said HE did, much less prove that Trayvon Martin did what George said he did.

    This is the biggest reason that O’Mara is focused in on things that have no relevance whatsoever to the case. The case is essentially over. They’re just waiting for the formalities to take place.

    • Jun says:

      Call it a hunch but I dont think his freemason theory of tricking the Neighborhood Watch Zimmerman to target, stalk, and chase a boy who had candy, using a gun, confronting and threatening him, then killing the kid, is really gonna fly

      • racerrodig@aol.com says:

        Oh, that Free Mason story is as true as actually believing that the Conservative Outhouse is conservative in any way. It’s the Radical Racist Network of that there is no doubt….I got their conservative..

  24. i won!! i’m the 1st liker!!LOLO

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