Zimmerman: State Files 9th Supplemental Discovery List

Michael Winter at USA Today reported last night that Zimmerman gets FBI files on Trayvon, more phone records.

He refers to new discovery released by the State pursuant to orders issued by Judge Nelson and requests by the defense. The article links to the State’s document titled, State’s 9th Supplemental Discovery.

I think the title of the article is misleading because the FBI never investigated Trayvon Martin as a suspect. Instead, the FBI investigated Zimmerman for committing a possible hate crime when he killed Martin.

As far as I know, that investigation remains active.

I do not know if the FBI is investigating the Sanford Police Department for possible civil rights violations. I believe such an investigation is warranted, but can neither confirm nor deny it.

I believe these FBI reports supplement reports released earlier and will be released to the public within the next few weeks after the defense has had an opportunity to review them.

Zimmerman’s medical records from the clinic are also in this dump. Judge Nelson reviewed the clinic’s records in camera and approved this set for release to the State and the public.

For additional information, please review the list.

49 Responses to Zimmerman: State Files 9th Supplemental Discovery List

  1. Jun says:

    I noticed that George during the Hannity interview, purposely widened his eyes as large as possible whenever he was lying

    • Malisha says:

      He and Osterman both widen their eyes when they are lying, doing it for emphasis. It’s like a preacher widening his eyes when he tells you what god is gonna do to you if you disobey. It’s like, “read my lips” but it’s to suck in the viewer’s attention and paralyze them with “GOD SEES YOU RIGHT NOW AND YOU’RE GONNA GET IT!” power. It can also be thought of as, “AND I MEAN IT!” power from the dominant party. “YOU LOOK AT ME; YOU LISTEN TO ME; I CAN SEE YOU; I CAN DOMINATE YOU!” 🙄

      • looneydoone says:

        The “eye thing” with both George and Osterman
        There’s a condition the Japanese call*sanpaku”
        When the white of the eye is visible below the Iris the person is inclined to put themselves into dangerous situations
        White visible above the Iris indicates an explosive temper and a tendency towards violent behavior
        White visible both above and below the Iris is indicative of major craziness

        I learned that from a MD friend who incorporates traditional Asian medicine with traditional Western medicine in his private practice.

        Just something else to think about..or not
        😉 Doone

  2. Malisha says:

    Another thing.

    Some depictions on the web show the “Trayvon Martin” character pinning the “George Zimmerman” character’s arms down with his (Trayvon’s) knees. First of all, there would have to have been BIG bruises on George’s arms for that to have happened, AND he would not have been able to get his gun out of his holster if Trayvon’s knees were on his arms.

    On the other hand, if Trayvon’s knees were NOT on George’s arms, then we’re supposed to believe that George did not use his hands or arms even once for anything, during a 40-second-long violent beating, other than to ultimately draw his gun with his right hand and keep his left hand out of the line of fire when he shot his one shot? Huh? How does that happen and BTW WTF? Another depiction on the web shows George with his hands free, waving around like flippers on a captive dolphin. Completely idiotic. PUnch, “Help me” flap flap, Punch, “help me” flap flap, Head smash, “Help me help me” flap flap, Head smash, “help me help me” flap flap, hand over mouth hand over nose shut the fuck up “help me help me” flap flap, shimmy wriggle jacket-slide “help me help me” “you’re gonna die tonight motherfucker” hand on chest, sliding, gun out of holster, “help me help me” POP “you got me, or you got it,” sit up, no more flapping, lunge.

    I ain’t buying it.

    • Xena says:

      If you notice when GZ is talking to the technician for his voice stress test, he demonstrates that Trayvon reached OVER his left arm/hand with his right hand to get to GZ’s right-side.

      Imagine that. Rather than using your left-hand to feel-up GZ’s chest, you cross over your left-arm with your right-arm hoping it’s long enough to reach to the back of GZ’s hip.

    • gblock says:

      A couple of other things:

      If Trayvon was pushing down as hard as he could on George’s nose and mouth – whether with two hands or even if just with one hand – wouldn’t it be nearly impossible for him to bang his head on the sidewalk at the same time? I mean, wouldn’t pushing down kind of remove the possibility of the head being moved up and down in order to bang it?

      If he had his left hand in the way, wouldn’t it be easiest to simply move it out of the way, unless he was using it to hold on to something?

  3. Malisha says:

    “Then there’s that “I don’t have a problem. I’m looking for my cell phone to call 911 because I have no reason to call them.””

    Or, IOW, “I’m not reaching for ‘thegun’ here I’m just reaching for ‘the 911 call’ here, see?”

    There’s another thing. George says a guy came out and said he’d call 911 but George responded, “no, don’t call them, I already called them.”

    Huh? So instead of yelling “help me help me” George could have yelled, directly at Trayvon, “THE POLICE ARE COMING YOU BETTER GET OFF ME!” right? Oh, oops. 😳

  4. Malisha says:

    Right, Xena, and not ONLY that, but the physical fight itself (as presented by George and as “believed,” arguendo, to have happened that way) was a fight entered by Trayvon Martin (whether before or after the first hostile gesture on the part of either participant) as self-defense for HIM, because he was being accosted by a stranger on a dark night and he was obviously afraid. (BTW, I think the most obnoxious thing I have ever heard George say is him telling Hannity that Trayvon was not afraid. So now not only does George presume to know all these bad things about a kid he never met, but he also knows the kid’s mind, knows the kid’s emotions, and knows how the kid will react to EVERYTHING, because the kid is not a real human being with his own thoughts, feelings and reactions.)

    You can’t say that “self-defense” begins at the point when a person is losing a fight. If that were true, nobody could kill in anything OTHER than self-defense, so long as their target tried to resist being killed. Then there would only be two ways to kill somebody:

    (a) With consent; or
    (b) In self-defense.

    Let’s try that one on, to see if it will fit our constitution and our society. Because if it fits, and the jury acquits, I’m gonna go out and get threatened by lots of people I do not like! 😈

    • Xena says:

      (BTW, I think the most obnoxious thing I have ever heard George say is him telling Hannity that Trayvon was not afraid. So now not only does George presume to know all these bad things about a kid he never met, but he also knows the kid’s mind, knows the kid’s emotions, and knows how the kid will react to EVERYTHING, because the kid is not a real human being with his own thoughts, feelings and reactions.)

      That’s all part of GZ’s profiling and victimizing the victim. Ultimately, that is a benefit the prosecution if they tie it in with Serino’s Capias; i.e., GZ had opportunity to introduce himself and deescalate the situation but failed to do so.

      Then there’s that “I don’t have a problem. I’m looking for my cell phone to call 911 because I have no reason to call them.”

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      He can know everything in the mind of his victim because this is fiction he’s reciting and he’s the all-knowing narrator. He has been working on the plot line for 9 months now, trying this, trying that.

      As for what actually happened, that is for the factually minded to discern. May they discern well.

  5. Malisha says:

    Jun, yes, it is only traditional murder. But for O’Mara, since George admitted the shooting/killing part, there are only TWO defenses possible. One is insanity (which he cannot try, especially now that he has allowed George to parade around saying he HAD to kill Trayvon Martin and that he had not motive) and the other is self-defense. Insanity is OUT and that leaves self-defense. SYG is a special sub-category of self-defense that is a version of the “castle doctrine” meaning that in your home, which is your “castle,” you are entitled to an enhanced degree of self-defense in that you are not obligated to try to back off from a fight if the other person is the aggressor. So they took that “castle doctrine” and enlarged people’s castles to the street and just any-old-where, so that they never had to back off if they were attacked, whether they were home or not home. I think O’Mara realized early on, in spite of all his useless rhetoric, that George could not be made to look like a person who had a right to “stand his ground” when he had admitted on tape that Trayvon “ran” and was trying to “get away.” So O’Mara had to abandon the “SYG” claim that George was entitled to stand his ground, and he backed off to “traditional self-defense” which actually is just as ridiculous, but if a judge were to be as mentally confused (I am using this phrase to be polite) as, say, Jeralyn Merritt, that judge might start the meter ticking on “self-defense” at the point where Trayvon allegedly got the upper hand in a physical confrontation between the two of them. THEN, tables turned, the pursuer (George) could be seen as the victimized (Big Bad Trayvon on top of him making him fear for his life, you see) and so, presto change, pull SELF-DEFENSE out of a hat.

    It doesn’t work. It won’t work. It can’t work. But it is all O’Mara has. And he HAS to defend George; that is his job.

    • That’s the clearest explanation of SYG and Zimmerman’s defense, such as it is, that I have seen.

    • Xena says:

      I think O’Mara realized early on, in spite of all his useless rhetoric, that George could not be made to look like a person who had a right to “stand his ground” when he had admitted on tape that Trayvon “ran” and was trying to “get away.”

      I agree. When MOM announced he was not pursuing a SYG defense, it’s because GZ was the aggressor and as such, was required to remove himself from the situation. So, MOM said that GZ could not remove himself because he was pinned down, so he would pursue a traditional self-defense claim.

      Based on GZ’s version, the question then becomes how is MOM going to defend against GZ’s admissions that he had Trayvon’s arm pinned and had him in a wrist lock, and that his body was physically free from the waist up when he shot Trayvon? If GZ could shimmy raising his clothes on his body, he was not physically pinned.

    • Jun says:

      How is he gonna prove that he was pinned and couldnt move?

      George clearly had the upperhand, and continued having the upperhand.

      And call it a hunch, but, if Trayvon was pinning George on the ground, and it is self defense action thus justified then the force used on George is not unlawful and would be lawful force.

      My understanding is say someone stalks, chases, confronts and threatens you – you would be justified to take the assailant to the ground and pin them to the ground till police arrived.

      776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

      (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

      (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

      (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

      (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

      The state could easily argue, even if Trayvon did pin him on the ground that:

      1) There was no reasonable belief of imminent danger to the aggressor because Trayvon was simply pinning the aggressor to the ground and yelling for help continually scared because of the aggressor’s physical size and mental insanity

      2) George did not exercise every reasonable means of escape because he obviously got on top of the kid after or was on top the whole time

      3) The kid continued screaming for mercy and begging for his life and help

      4) George was committing a forcible felony during the commission of the killing/murder and they are aggravated stalking, assault with a deadly weapon, and murder 2

      I understand the theory Omara is perhaps trying to push but it just sounds so ridiculous to me LOL

      • Xena says:

        I understand the theory Omara is perhaps trying to push but it just sounds so ridiculous to me LOL

        At his voice stress test, the technician actually pinned GZ down to admitting that Trayvon was not pinning him down. I only wish that he had included a question in that regards during the test.

        I also noticed in the following where GZ sighs when he is lying and his lies are questioned — kinda like what he did with the dispatcher in giving directions.

  6. Jun says:

    Strangely, our self defense laws are still constitutionally valid

    Wonder why?

    Oh it is because George has no claim of self defense, he was just lying, and it has no effect on everyone’s right to self defense

    • Xena says:

      @Jun. I have to look back at some research, but it seems as though attorneys in Florida believe that SYG is easier to prove than traditional self-defense. MOM has admitted that GZ does not have a SYG claim so he is going for traditional self-defense.

      The State v. Martin was decided where the defendant, James Martin, claimed self-defense in stabbing and shooting his wife, internationally known female boxer, Christy Martin. Christy survived. James was found guilty and sentenced to 25 yrs. The case is currently presented on “In Sessions.” I’m anxious to see how he argues self-defense and hear interviews with witnesses.

      • Jun says:

        The self defense law in Florida is SYG so I do not understand what Omara is getting at with his traditional self defense because even traditionally, he has no self defense claim. George instigated the incident with intent on getting this kid and he went overboard and killed the kid. In self defense, there is the aggressor and the defender, and in this case, George is the aggressor. He was initiating and pursuing the confrontation. If they were following tradition, even then, it would still be a frivolous self defense claim, and, it would be excessive use of force. The fact that it is murder 2 is because of the disregard and lack of mercy shown to the victim. I dont get it because it is only traditional murder for George, not self defense.

  7. Jun says:

    I think they did investigate Trayvon as that may have lead to leads for the investigation and it also gives them knowledge of anything a defense lawyer will try in court.

  8. Malisha says:

    Is there any information about Trayvon’s possible 911 call before being shot?

  9. Two sides to a story says:

    Is there any way of knowing if this is the last bit of discovery?

  10. aussie says:

    Guys putting more than 2 links in one reply will catch the filter.

    Here is the main page for axiomamnesia, the links on it will take you to the latest


  11. Thank you! I hope it really backfires on the defense…be careful what you ask for and to date…everything they have asked for….low bond…recusal of the judge…has backfired. Let’s hope the trend continues.

  12. bm says:

    what was he doing that made him not right
    was the area trayvon was in had street light were he move around
    could zimmerman see martin face

    Was his gun wet when the police took it

    George has said his gun came into view as he shimming trying to
    move his body why didn’t the gun or gun hoslter be full of grass and
    mud and water.

    • racerrodig says:

      2 words…..He Lied

      • looneydoone says:

        I just finished watching the coolest video on the science of lie spotting

        The speaker is Pamela Meyer, author of the book “Lie Spotting”
        The video
        OR Google…Pamela Meyer-How to spot a liar”

        The Prosecution should have a look at the video,and order several copies of the book for training purposes

      • leander22 says:

        oh, my god looneydoone, here is where I stopped:.

        “Think Dante, Shakespeare, the Bible, news of the world.”

        Can you see what she does? Is writing fiction lying? What about the Bible, that conserves human experience with life and dead over the centuries, that can be reduced to lying?

        I am slightly more on her side concerning the yellow press, whose main aim may well be to entertain, and who yes, often falsify matters for that aim. If that is what News of the World alludes to?

      • looneydoone says:

        No, but I thought her commentary regarding body language and voice inflections/change in volume were pretty interesting. gz exhibits most of those behaviors, consistently.

        He is what we call “mal que le pese”…evil
        There’s something very unsettling about the entire family dynamic and psyche

        Love this blog. Professor. It’s most appreciated.

        • jm says:

          I feel the whole Zimmerman family has different degrees of personality disorders and it is unsettling to observe this. The fact that they will lie for GZ to protect their image is amazing even after the facts are out that dispute GZ’s story. The more I see of GZ’s reenactment where he certainly doesn’t move/act like a guy who was beaten badly enough to fear for his life and needed to kill someone, his stupid “staged” butterfly bandages and the fact that he doesn’t seem the least bit upset about taking another person’s life on that very spot less than a day later is sickening. Add to that the people (Zimmerman supporters) who are willing to take GZ’s word for what happened in spite of evidence to the contrary and give him money. I am amazed and sad at the same time. .

    • Good point! I also wondered if there was any grass and mud on his rear-end, and not just on his jacket. How could just his jacket be wet and not his rear-end, did I miss something?

  13. leander22 says:

    I think the title of the article is misleading because the FBI never investigated Trayvon Martin as a suspect.

    I am relapsing, I know. But an interesting development is that Jeralyn Merrit may have decided that on her front over there, there is no further interest in the case. I already had to respond to a lonely voice asking her a question on her latest contribution, never answered of course. This is really news, since so far she was eager and fast to report on the latest developments. But lately it got more and more lonely in the comment section. Maybe she has other things to do, or she waits till all the material is available. But this still feels unusual.

    The type of documents Frederick,if I may, links too are among the most important, and strictly I have problems to find them on Trayvon.axiambesia my own copies and overviews are buried in a mirror image of my laptop, I do not want to return to at this point in time. I see now this was the wrong decision …

    Will O’Mara release the documents? I have no idea where to put ABC politically, could the headline be a sign of a beginning media bias towards Zimmerman? If he wants to protect his union with media he better does put up the latest material soon. Although strictly he could pass it on to selective to reliable channels.

    • leander22 says:

      sorry: Trayvon.axiambesia

      I can assure you, I didn’t want to abase them, I actually wondered if I should not simply use the link, watching Xena, but then decided not to.

      The problem I see in their tags though is that the special site they created does not come up for someone that searches for Zimmerman with the “Zimmerman case” in mind very easily. He has to be a Trayvon supporter to find his way. All this was on my mind, while the above happened.

    • leander22 says:

      Ok, I was relapsing anyway, so it doesn’t matter that I am caught in the moderation filter.

      see you 😉

    • Two sides to a story says:

      There’s still activity on the TalkLeft Zimmerman forum, which is linked on the upper righthand side of the TalkLeft home page.

      Here’s a link to some conversation from yesterday :

      • leander22 says:

        Two sides, I made some excursion into the Zimmerman forum, it always felt like it had a predominantly pro-Zimmerman bias. I may have developed prejudice without giving them much chances. On the other hand, following your link I was again put off by the fact that the first thing on someone’s mind are images of dead Trayvon. I hope they are protected.

  14. Brown says:

    Oh goody more discovery!
    Thanks for your Blog!!!

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