Zimmerman: LLMPapa, Marinade Dave and Trent Sawyer Are in the House I

Here is the first of a three-part collaboration between LLM Papa and David Knechel

It’s all in the timing . . .


Thank you gentlemen.

You do fine work and deserve to be on the main page.

Per Xena, here is Trent Sawyer’s video, who also is collaborating on this important work.

Thank you, Trent.

144 Responses to Zimmerman: LLMPapa, Marinade Dave and Trent Sawyer Are in the House I

  1. Malisha says:

    Colin Black, that makes this a terrorism case. Therefore they should just do the whole thing down in Guantanamo. 👿

  2. Colin Black says:

    Stop Press Defence requests extension unable to proceed June 10th..The TERROR of trying to defend this no win senerio case the TERROR of actualy wadeing through all those boreing long depos the Terror of not being compensated more likely castigated……………..Omarra Bin Laden down with to much toil trouble an strife…

  3. Malisha says:

    I found it. Serino and Singleton are questioning George in Stereo. Serino asks, “Did you pursue this kid, did you want to catch him?” The answer comes: “No-ho-hoe,” with that sarcastic sound. As if, “No,ho-hoe, I already told you no to that question, why are you asking me that again! I SAID NO so you, you inferior being, have no right to ask it again or to fail to believe what I already TOLD you.”

    No-ho-hoe should, in George’s mind, be enough for the jury to hear.

    “Did you commit murder? Because your’e charged with murder. Did you commit murder?”

    No-ho-hoe. Case closed.

    • rachael says:

      There was something else in that interview – when they first asked him if he knew who he had shot, he said something, I think he said Trayvon, then they filled in for him Trayvon Martin and he repeated Trayvon Martin – like he had an idea of the name of the kid he shot. How would he have gotten that information?

    • Jun says:

      George’s defense consists of

      “I dont know”

      “I dont know”

      “I dont know”

      “He banged my head I mean he suffocated me I mean he punched me and I fell to the ground and I mean I stumbled forward and I did not follow him…”

      • Xena says:

        George’s defense consists of “I dont know” “I dont know” “I dont know” “He banged my head I mean he suffocated me I mean he punched me and I fell to the ground and I mean I stumbled forward and I did not follow him…”

        O’Mara: But do you remember firing your gun in self-defense?

        Zimmerman: Yes.

        O’Mara: Describe to the court how you felt your life was in danger.

        Zimmerman: I — I — felt that he — he was going to — he was going to kick me in my head.

        O’Mara: (With surprised look.) Kick you? Tell us what made you think that.

        Zimmerman: Because I saw a king fu movie once where that happened.

      • gbrbsb says:


        I can imagine that and O´Mara´s jaw dropping to the floor likeon Hannit…

        I really wish I could find you the courtroom scene from “A fish called Wanda” (one of the most quintessentially british comedies with some of the Monty Python gang but maybe not known in the US) which would be perfect for your scenario!

        • Xena says:

          I really wish I could find you the courtroom scene from “A fish called Wanda” (one of the most quintessentially british comedies with some of the Monty Python gang but maybe not known in the US) which would be perfect for your scenario!

          I have that movie on VHS!! I don’t remember the courtroom scene now because the part that sticks with me the most is “k-k-k-kill me.” Are you kidding about not known in the US? I was a fan of Monty Python’s Flying Circus, Benny Hill, and Are You Being Served.

  4. Malisha says:

    I just noticed, in one of the taped interviews with Serino, that while Serino is trying to set up the “videotaped re-enactment” for the next day, George says he has class. Then, without being questioned about what class it is, George volunteers, “I’m continuing on for my bachelors…in political science.” To me this is extremely significant! He does know that he has to say SOMETHING about being in class because he has lied to Serino already and said that he has already earned an Associates Degree in Criminal Justice. So now, he says he’s in class — quickly his little wheels turn and he realizes he has to explain why, if he has earned his degree, he’s still in class. So he says, “I’m continuing on for my bachelors…”

    This guy just killed a kid, you know? Nobody cares whether he’s got an MFA from Yale or an MBA from Wharton. This is about a little incident where he put a hollow-point bullet into the heart of an unarmed 17-year-old and he is speaking with a homicide detective. For no reason whatsoever (other than, possibly, to make himself look good or just feel good), he says he has an Associates Degree and that he’s now working on a Bachelors, BOTH LIES.

    The reason I was listening to the tapes again, by the way, is that I was trying to locate that place where Singleton or Serino asks him if he did something that logic would show he did (I have fogotten the details and will find them later) and George says, instead of “nossir” or “noma’am,” instead he says: “no-hoe-hoe,” with a sort of sarcastic chuckle as in, “why are you fools asking me this when it’s so obvious that I, a perfect person, did not do what you suspect?!”

    I’m trying to find that little disdainful, contemptuous chuckle on the tape. Anybody know where to refer me? For some reason it is fascinating me right now.

    Oh, other little thing. When he talks about the “guy” who was so suspicious leaning on Taaffe’s house several weeks before he “had to shoot” Trayvon Martin, he offers, for no apparent reason, the information that the resident in that house with the doors open and the windows open is “Caucasian.” If someone’s scoping out your house and you call the police, who cares if you’re “Caucasian”? And then comes George’s tell-tale little “I’m lying” sigh.

    • rachael says:

      These are very important points and I hope someone who can do something with them will pick up on them. I’m not sure what you are talking about in the interview though, but I will listen to it and see if I can find it.

    • Jun says:

      The guy lies so much it is getting ridiculous

  5. rachael says:

    “Don’t make excuses for him. You can’t put flowers in an asshole and call it a vase.”

    I just saw that somewhere and felt somehow, in some way it belongs in a discussion about GZ.

    • Malisha says:

      HAHA, Rachael, to find the right placement for that quote would require us to go over some of the excuses being made for George — a nauseating task of course — but the mental picture it gives might be worth it. 😯

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      That’s a very useful quote, you know.

      • ed nelson says:

        @ November 10, 2012 at 11:37 am
        Malisha, I reply to up above:

        [“he threatened to behead his baby-sitter. It gave me a perverse kind of
        Wow! sure hope you are keeping an eye on that… up and coming sociopathic horrible infant… or what ever!
        Oh, they’re in the “pipeline”, and they will continue to come…
        “Monsters from the Id” these monstreys will continue to afflict the … ________/populace.
        Sociopathy is an under rated category, I recc: this book that really is a good starting point on that subject:

  6. SearchingMind says:

    @ all

    I hope LLMPapa and Dave will bring the Hannity-interview into the equation. In the said interview, Zimmerman, if I understood him correctly, claimed that Trayvon attacked him LESS THAN 30sec after the dispatcher told him that they don’t need him to follow Trayvon and he replied “OK” and stopped following. However, the NEN-call continued for more than 30sec after that and would have captured the whole/a good chunk of the confrontation between Trayvon and Zimmerman. I tend to think this may be ONE of- if not THE main reason(s) why BDLR described the Hanity-interview as “God-sent”.

    • Xena says:

      In the said interview, Zimmerman, if I understood him correctly, claimed that Trayvon attacked him LESS THAN 30sec after the dispatcher told him that they don’t need him to follow Trayvon and he replied “OK” and stopped following.

      Here is that portion from the transcript:

      HANNITY: Why did you want them at that point to call you?

      ZIMMERMAN: I hadn’t given them a correct address. I gave them a — the clubhouse vicinity. However, I was walking through to my street, Retreat View Circle, and I was going to give them the actual street number and name.

      HANNITY: How long was it, George, after that, that you saw Trayvon again? Because you said you stopped, that you did not continue pursuing him. When did you next see Trayvon Martin?

      ZIMMERMAN: Less than 30 seconds.

      HANNITY: OK. Where were you? Where exactly were you at that point, and how far away were you from your car at that moment?

      ZIMMERMAN: I’d guess about 100 feet or more.

      HANNITY: So you never went further than how far approximately from your car?

      ZIMMERMAN: I would estimate it to be approximately 100 feet.

      HANNITY: So you never went further than that from the car?

      ZIMMERMAN: No, sir.


      • Jun says:

        I have reviewed a lot of George’s statements and I honestly believe they can impeach George from every angle of impeachment

        1) Contradiction
        2) Inconsistency
        3) Bias
        4) Character

  7. Malisha says:

    Yeah, what Fed-Up said! ❗

  8. And the walls come tumbling down. Zimmerman is a predator of the worst kind. His mentaltiy drives his behavior. Zimmerman almost got away with murder, so thankful it’s all been recorded and logged into evidence. The world will be a safer place when Zman is taken out of society. He appears to be delusional, paranoid, demented and a very unstable person. If anyone should not have had a CWP, it’s this guy. He’s a danger…Thank you all for those fine videos it details Zman’s intent from the start..Justice for Trayvon Martin is on it’s way!

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      CWP? He should not have had access,let alone owned,a gun! But he did because Mark Osterman “mentored” him and taught him to be ready to shoot at all times, and what to say and do if his shooting had law enforcement consequences, and the police chief Bill Lee was “like a father” to Osterman. These men are criminals!

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      Osterman and Lee should not have any gun either– their mentality loves killing for killing’s sake, and they have not protected any member of the public, as was their sworn charge. They’ve broken their oath and should be held up as a laughing stock of law enforcement.

      • rachael says:

        I agree.

      • Malisha says:

        Yeah remember Osterman: “If somebody comes to my house, tell him to be rested up because he’ll be facing this superhero ghengis Khan MMA guy who will whup ass on him like a lightening bolt and the fury of god’s plan all wrapped up into one and all like that, yeah” or words to that effect. It made me laugh because I remember baby-sitting for a four-year-old kid who, because of his culture, had been permitted to hit and verbally abuse his seven-year-old sister (their parents believed boys could rule girls at any age and they considered their little son a demigod). So when he began to “punish” his sister I stopped him and explained that he could not do it, and comforted the sister. A few minutes later he did it again and I took him to another room to isolate him. Screaming all the way in indignation! When we got to the room, I said, “You have to stay here until you stop screaming and then five minutes more.” He responded: “I am going to kill you! I am going to chop off your head! I am going to chop you up in little pieces and feed you to the birds and you will be dead!” It took him a long time to finish screaming and five minutes after that, I let him out. When I heard Osterman talk about the alleged thug coming to his house and getting beaten down, I thought of this little boy who felt so powerless (when he experienced discipline for perhaps the first time in his young life) that he threatened to behead his baby-sitter. It gave me a perverse kind of laugh.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        There are way too many people in this country with the same mentality. I pray they see the light.

      • Jun says:

        I think Osterman is an idiot and he has small man’s syndrome in that he always has something to prove as if he is always considered a little man, so he always got that, “I will prove I am tougher than you attitude”. I am fairly sure that if Osterman was asked to fight a fair one on one fight, he would not take up the offer.

    • Jun says:

      The same happened to Daniel Adkins. The guy that shot him was not arrested till much much later. But since it did happen that way, I think they have cut off all avenues of self defense claims for him.

      • gbrbsb says:

        Oh Jun, have they really arrested the guy? I´ve been trying to follow that case from March because of his learning disability (retarded in the US) … he died holding his dog´s leash. I advocate for severely learning disabled adults and they are so so so vulnerable, worse still if they don´t “look” learning disabled people take them as “normal”. Few years back here a gang of youths bullied a 25 year old learning disabled adult off a bridge and he drowned. Always so sad!

      • Jun says:

        Yep. The guy that shot the mentally handicapped Adkins (I dont know the PC terms but basically retarded) is arrested. He is charged, and he going to trial.

      • gbrbsb says:

        Thanks for great news. They have taken ages to do so (there has been a change.org petition for months but not that many signatures last time I looked).

    • Jun says:

      I think the main worry of the public and police is that they also have to think about how everything is handled, so their case is strong in court, because even guilty people can have a defense. If the cops do everything by the book properly they can nail people as the defense lawyers have gotten more sheisty.

      • FactsFirst says:

        @Jun… Parents and people in the health care field don’t use the “R” word anymore because some people used it to be mean… The term we use now is “Special Needs” or “mentally impaired”….. As a parent of an 19yr old who has Autistic and Down’s Syndrome, I HATE THE “R” word…

      • FactsFirst says:

        Excuse my typo’s…. UGGGHHH!~~~> ***As a parent of an 19yr old Autistic and Down’s Syndrome person, I HATE THE “R” word*****

      • gbrbsb says:


        Sorry any offence. I wrote the “R” word, not Jun, who was just repeating my words, and I only used it because I believed it was still the term used in the US as I have seen it used even officially.

        I hate the “R” word too and nobody here says it anymore. Here it´s “Learning Disability” (official or medical use), or sometimes “Learning Difficulty”. Special Needs is used for healthcare etc. but it covers from the elderly to the blind so is not exclusive. Best term I ever hear was in India; “People with Different Abilities”… so true, I wish they´d adopt it here.

  9. Jun says:

    Anyone have George’s medical report?

    • Xena says:

      The one that O’Mara provided as an exhibit at the first bond hearing? If so, yes.

      • Jun says:

        I actually have not seen it. Have you the first bond hearing one and the one at the later hearing?

        • Xena says:

          I actually have not seen it. Have you the first bond hearing one and the one at the later hearing?

          To the best of my knowledge, only one Altamonte report was presented by MOM.

      • Jun says:

        Can u post a copy? I cant find one

        • Xena says:

          Can u post a copy? I cant find one

          It’s in pdf. Back around April-May when I was posting in comments to Yahoo articles about the case, it was most frustrating that they don’t allow links. A few of us wanted a one-stop source for discovery documents and links. That is what led to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackbutterfly768. I’m not trying to recruit for membership but rather, make information available.

          It is a private group by membership only so requires registration. That might be a one-time inconvenience but when used for its purpose, it saves lots of time when wanting discovery docs without going through and bookmarking numerous sources. The medical records are there in the “Files” section.

      • Jun says:

        Okay I signed up under my changsterdj email and stated that my name is Jun

        • Xena says:

          Go it. You’re all approved. After your sign-in, click on “Files” and then “Discovery.” You’ll see GZ’s medical records there. You should also have permission to upload files if you want. I can give you a folder name in your own handle so it’s more convenient for you to always find the files you want to refer to often. Just let me know.

        • Patricia says:

          @Kristeen –

          Why Kristine, that’s not George’s medical report — it’s Superman’s!!!

          I can just see GZ meeting up with an assailant (cellmate?) threatening him with assault:

          “Awwww, go ahead you big bruiser, I can handle it. I once had my head bashed into a concrete sidewalk multiple times, over & over, in an attempt to kill me. Piece of cake! Went to the doc’s office and I was asymptomatic, had no tingling or numbnes, no weakness, no headache (NO HEADACHE!!!),no dizziness, no speech difficulty, no gait disturbance and no loss of concsciousness. In fact it had so little impact on me, I couldn’t even point out the place on the sidewalk this happened, Did have one curious side-effect, though. I lost the ability to speak … the truth.”

  10. Jun says:

    I read that if any lawyer during trial, trying to submit hearsay, even during opening can be objected. So am I correct in thinking that Omara can be objected if he tries to submit George’s statements for him during opening

    • Prosecutors usually file a motion in limine asking the judge to order defense counsel not to mention the defendant’s inadmissible hearsay statements during jury selection and opening statement. They also typically identify in the motion each statement by the defendant that they are concerned about and explain why it is inadmissible hearsay.

      One of the most important hearings in this case will be the hearing on the motions in limine. Expect it to be scheduled sometime during the week before the trial starts.

      The trial date is June 10, 2013.

      O’Mara, who probably hopes that he can put the trial date so far off into the future that it will never happen, announced within the last week or so that he does not believe the defense can be ready for trial by June 10th.

      Expect him to always say that, regardless of the trial date.

      Been there, done that. 🙄

      • racerrodig says:

        “O’Mara, who probably hopes that he can put the trial date so far off into the future that it will never happen, announced within the last week or so that he does not believe the defense can be ready for trial by June 10th.”

        Yep…..So many interviews……so little time.

      • Jun says:

        Thanks Freddy. I could not find the concrete info but I am guessing Bernie and Corey will be doing that as Omara may be trying to submit hearsay, especially during opening. I also agree that Omara is stalling.

      • Fed-up taxpayer says:

        He “announced … that he does not believe the defense can be ready for trial by June 10th?”

        Omara Bin Lazy, to boot.

        • Xena says:

          He “announced … that he does not believe the defense can be ready for trial by June 10th?”

          IMO, that’s “attorney-speak” meaning, “I know George will be denied immunity and will go to trial. If I can’t come up with evidence and witnesses by April, what makes you think I can pull a miracle in 2 months, or 6, or 12, or ever?”

      • Didn’t O’Mara introduce hearsay in the second bond hearing? He showed the walk-through video, didn’t he? He made statements about GZ’s injuries. Why was he permitted to do so then?

      • Jun says:

        You will have to double check with Freddy but I think in pretrial hearings or pre immunity hearings, hearsay is somewhat allowed

        Also, Bernie did object a bunch of leading and hearsay when Omara and West tried to say Orourke said that the injuries were from sidewalk headbash

        But they gotta start objecting that hearsay crap because George is the only person allowed to submit his statements

  11. Tee says:

    These guys are going to reason Zimmerman is found guilty. you guys are amazing, I know that the prosecution is watching closely.

  12. Malisha says:

    “Yep, that was probly it, Goje slappin that flashlight ‘gainst his thigh.

    “My pinion: he shoulda stayed on home that night, an’ spent his time slappin’ his flashlight ‘gainst his thigh. Woulda done him better in the loang run, an’ Trayvon, now, he coulda juss gone his own way home.

    “Yep. Goje, he’da done OK ‘f he’da slapped that flashlight ‘gainst his thigh all night, back there in the crib.”

    So thass what Brer Rabbit he sayd ’bout it, n’then he hop away.

  13. Ezz-Thetic says:

    Please check out this video. —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHSe9VA46Sk

    • Rachael says:

      Thank you thank you for posting that. I was just listening to it and wanted to post it here but lost it somehow and couldn’t remember where to find it. That is such a great one. Thanks for posting it. It is a must listen to.

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      That interview is amazing: GZ dodges, swerves, loses his memory strategically,and Det. Singleton and Det. Serino each explain multiple times to GZ how his story does NOT add up to self-defense. The SPD is a criminal enterprise for not arresting this perpetrator immediately.

  14. Patricia says:

    @ all …

    Please, has ANYBODY seen a street light of ANY kind in these back pathways? We know there are none along the dog walk. But there aren’t any along the pathways, either.

    So how could GZ see Trayvon “running” if GJ’s parked in his car and Trayvon’s on the pathway? Darting through a cut-through. 7:00 p.m. on a February night in Florida under stormy skies. DARK.

    Did Zimmerman have his truck lights on high to illuminate Trayvon ahead of him? Is Zimmerman parked on the wrong side of the road? If so, did he know the route Trayvon would have to travel?

    Outside the truck, GZ is thwacking his flashlight, trying to get it to work.

    Now that I understand the “daylight version” thanks to the talents of Dave, Papa and Trent, I’m trying to figure it out for night.

    I’m in the dark about this.

    Please help.

    • Xena says:

      If so, did he know the route Trayvon would have to travel?

      That is why a video of the mail shed and where GZ said he had parked is important. In his re-enactment, GZ says that he parked at the sign in front of the house. That would put him on the wrong side of the street or leaving his truck practically blocking the street if he pulled in to face the cut-through to use his headlights.

      It has always been my impression that GZ got out of his car somewhere else and ran, stopping at the cut-through because he could not see and thus, the banging to get his flashlight to work. In his interview with Singleton and Serino, he would have us believe that he only tried getting his flashlight to work when walking back.

      • Patricia says:


        That’s the impression I got. He got out ofthe truck at an “earlier location” than he is telling.

        • Xena says:

          @Xena. That’s the impression I got. He got out ofthe truck at an “earlier location” than he is telling.

          I would bet on it. If GZ parked where and how he said, his truck would have blocked the path for the cops and EMTs to enter that area or caused them to enter from RVC.

    • whonoze says:

      In the first part of the NEN call GZ is clearly parked facing West looking at the mailbox area, since he can see TM clearly and describes TM coming toward him. After this, there are background sounds consistent with someone wearing a nylon jacket making a sharp turn with a steering wheel. I believe GZ turned his truck around so he could continue to have a clear view of TM, and this is what TM relayed to DeeDee as GZ following him in the truck. Thus, I think GZ wound up parked on the wrong side of the street, facing the T, as a result. I do not think GZ would have lied in the re-enactment about where the truck ended up, because he would have had to assume the police noted it’s presence and position before SZ or MO removed it from the scene.

  15. bettykath says:

    I especially like the LLMpapa with Marinade Dave video. Until now we’ve had to pretty much go by the background sounds that GZ was running and by some of the speculation of how long it takes to walk vs run that distance. The video shows very clearly that GZ had to be lying when he said he walked to the T. Good job.

    GZ’s hesitancy in the one response was b/c he was distracted, maybe by his flashlight or by seeing or hearing TM.

    The slapping of his flashlight could have been against his thigh.

  16. Xena says:

    Here’s an idea for LLMPapa and/or Trent. At his voice stress test, GZ said that he was at the T and had looked down it when the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that.”

    Can one of you use that and Dave’s video with the NEN call at that point to demonstrate where GZ would be thereafter during his NEN call? As it is now, the walk begins with GZ getting out of his truck, rather than coordinating him “We don’t need you to do that” according to his story of when he is at the T.


  17. Malisha says:

    Today the SPD received my FOIA request; it was delivered to their address at 7:33 a.m. I have e-mailed them asking for an “ETA” on the documentation I have requested.

    • Xena says:

      Yipppeeeee!!! Great work, Malisha.

    • OK, i know what ETA is, but what is a FOIA?
      it sounds serious! LOL

      oh, i just looked it up before hitting ‘post’ 🙂
      Freedom of information Act.

      Wow! That’s awesome, you go gurl!! so what are you gonna get???

      • Malisha says:

        Have asked for the following:

        In March there were about a dozen news reports claiming that prior to the killing of Trayvon Martin in RTL, there had been “eight burglaries, nine thefts and a shooting” in RTL within the last year or so. I asked for police reports relating to all thefts, burglaries and shootings in or around RTL since 1/1/2011.

        During March or April of this year, there were press reports indicating that at a HOA association meeting on March 1, 2011 at RTL, an “individual” had to be “escorted out” of that meeting. These reports indicated that the individual was escorted out by Police Chief Bill Lee and a city council member, I guessed that the council member was Patty Mahaney. Anyway, the reason the person was “escorted out” was that the person got very frustrated at the meeting because his or her prior reports to the police (SPD) about George “patrolling” with a loaded gun in the neighborhood had not been heeded. In other words, since the newspapers used the word “reports” in the plural, SOMEONE at RTL had called the Sanford Police twice or more than twice before 2/26/2012 complaining that they did not like George roaming around the neighborhood with a loaded gun!

        I asked for all police reports or notes or memoranda related to any complaints from ANYONE at RTL complaining about ANYTHING having to do with the Neighborhood Watch, complaining about George Zimmerman in any way, complaining about concealed weapons at RTL, etc. etc. etc.

        From what I am told so far, my inquiries involve 39 separate police entries, whether they’re called reports or memoranda or anything else. Thus, 8 burglaries, 9 thefts, “and a shooting” plus complaints from residents must total 39.

        I’m guessing there ARE complaints about George in there.
        I’m guessing Bill Lee ordered them to be ignored and told George about them and told George who made them.
        I’m guessing some Black residents of RTL made some of those complaints.

        All of my guesses COULD be wrong of course. And I expect there will be very heavy redacting. We shall see.

    • Malisha, OMG. i can’t you can get your grabby little paws on those!! ( oh i mean that in the most awesomest way possible!!) can anyone do that? b/c i know some of your guys are in legal work and i’m thinking you might have special powers!! LOL

      And if you haven’t seen this info, you might wanna check it out and see if it matches what you get from the SPD.


      • Shannon……WOW…..Reading that article made me sick all over again thinking about that poor kid and the politics that may be behind all of this. And yet, it made me feel good that there are other people out there who are trying to figure out not only what happened but if there was indeed a cover-up. THANK YOU for the link!!!

        • yeah there was a decided cover up. And it kinds brings me a tiny bit of satisfaction knowing that it WASN’T for stupid POS GZ, that he wasn’t getting special treatment for simply being GZ, that he wasn’t getting away just because he killed a black boy, and his dad DOESN’T have the power to protect his stupid ass like many people thought in the beginning.. He’s going to prison for what he did and he’ll be nothing but a bad memory. But there will also be other scumbags going down for trying to cover up GZ’s crimes and committing their own separate and distinct crime, one of which is depriving Trayvon of his civil rights. There will be justice for Trayvon!

      • Malisha says:

        Shannon, I just want to correct an idea I hope I didn’t give. “Some of your guys are in legal work and I’m thinking you might have special powers” —

        Just to stay clean, let me state:

        1- I have no degree in anything and no corporate persona;
        2- I have no guys;
        3- I have no influence;
        4- I have a bad rep with practically all the powerful entities unless they just plain don’t know who I am; and
        5- I am so powerless that a fraud who got citizenship illegally has been able to steal anything he wants from me, including my passport, for 35 years.

        BUT…I know what’s happening. I don’t often jump into things to disclose more and more of the corruption I see because I’m fed up and tired out. But in the Zimmerman case I decided to do so because why let all this underground knowledge go to waste? I know how corrupt organizations work because they have worked against me. I know how government agencies cover up because they have covered up the frauds perpetrated against me. I know lots of these things because I have been deprived of my right to seek redress from them, but that now has become a double-edged sword. I can’t do a thing for myself in my own situation but I have become a kind of weird “X Factor” in other people’s cases. In six other cases, I made a significant difference and NOBODY SAW ME THERE! It gave me such a rush of pleasure! In one case I was lined up against the Department of Defense (NOT a matter of national security, fortunately) and the civil courts of two corrupt states and after three years, the thing came out right as if by magic. It wasn’t magic, of course; it was the fact that I had more on the cover-up artists than the perps had on them and I had less to lose than anybody involved. THAT IS THE SECRET: having (a) nothing to lose and (b) tons of information.

        That is, I believe, what we are on our way to having in the Zimmerman case, and that is why this blog is so important to getting justice for Trayvon. Not a single one of us here has anything to lose by gathering and analyzing more and more information. So that’s where we are. Trent and LLMPapa and MarinadeDave are the best operatives anybody could ever come up with, regardless of their budgets, and we got them! This will be a successful venture; I feel it in my very well educated (on the job training) bones.

      • Malisha says:

        Wow, Shannon, thanks.
        I’m going to read that article again tomorrow; right now I’m really tired and I’m running some of the facts through my head again.
        And again.

        I wanted, at one point, to put all George’s statements into one big word-processing file and line them up and work with them. I did not complete that process. I think I may have to do so now.

        Strange, I thought the keys were George’s and I thought Trayvon had no keys on him. That made me think that he had to re-enter his house through the front door by knocking so his kid step-brother could open for him. That made me think he couldn’t have gotten in his back door. Anyway, I have to check this.

        I am thinking on it. Turning it over in my mind; will sleep on it.

      • grahase says:

        What keys!!! There are no keys listed for Trayvon – that I have seen. Please direct me.

        • Patricia says:

          @grahase –

          Correct, grahase. No keys listed for Trayvon. If there were, he might have been identified sooner if they had some ID on them.

          No keys in the evidence inventory.

  18. Malisha says:

    What has always amazed me about all these lies George has told about going to get an address and blah blah blah (street name, ADHD, his street, blah blah blah) is the following: POLICE have “google maps” and they can see a street as easily as a pedestrian can. POLICE have caller I.D. too and they can therefore tell when a witness calls in and says she witnessed George trying to detail Trayvon. POLICE have all sorts of equipment that would give them the information they might need about the circumstances George was allegedly trying to tell them that night.

    Furthermore, on all those 911 calls, why is it that we did not hear any sirens? One woman was told that there were several calls already and police were on their way; then T Smith arrives on the scene; HOW COME ALL THOSE 911 CALLS AND STILL NO SIRENS?

    Another thing: George volunteers that the video cameras in the neighborhood were not working that night; he volunteers this information the day after he killed Trayvon Martin. HOW DID HE KNOW those cameras were not working that night? He had the events of that night happen suddenly to him as he was on his way to the supermarket; then he got taken to the police station and stayed until early the following morning; then he went to Osterman’s house. So where did the information come to George about the dysfunction of the video cameras in the neighborhood that night?

    Unless of course, he called Kent whatsisname, and said, “Do me a favor and get rid of those tapes or the management company is gonna be sued for a million dollars and Cynthia whatsername doesn’t want that to happen” and then…oh my goodness they didn’t work!

    George couldn’t have known in ADVANCE that they weren’t working because he would have CALLED and made them fix those things. You know how he reports all failures and all mistakes and all problems and you know how he is extra fearful of all things…he would have phoned management that very night. AND he would have said to the NEN, “and our neighborhood video cameras are out so you need to get here in a hurry or we will never be able to identify the suspect.”

    Too many lies. They can’t be covered. Way way too many.

    • Jun says:

      They can trace if a camera is purposely damaged. I would not doubt if prints are found on the camera

      • Malisha says:

        But it would have been that if the manager “unfunctioned” the tape that night or the next day, the police were, at that time, not adverse to that kind of thing happening. Not until April were the police in Sanford interested in preserving or obtaining evidence of a CRIME; before that, they were interested in creating and advancing evidence of NO CRIME.

      • Jun says:

        There may be a possibility that the camera was purposely damaged because George blurted that out the blue without it being asked.

    • aussie says:

      He said it was broken “since last time’ whatever that time/incident was. So likely he did know and did report it and they hadn’t gotten around to fixing it yet (how long ago was last time??) maybe claiming technical difficulties or waiting on parts.

      Or of course he hadn’t pushed too hard for it to be fixed, not wanting others to have evidence of his skulking around at night with headlights off, flashlight on.

      • Malisha says:

        This reminds me: if the thing HAD gone down just as George claimed it had gone down, there would have been a Hell of a Fuss about the security cameras not being working that night, and George would have been suing the HOA big-time before this story even broke in the press. He would have WANTED someone held responsible for the fact that their lack of security almost got him killed, and ultimately got him into the mess that led for him having to quit his job and run away from that dangerous neighborhood. See, when you get distracted by all the shouting and screaming, you can forget what NORMAL REACTIONS would have led to at the time of the initial blow-up. If George really HAD committed “only self-defense” that night and if he DID need back-up for that story, we would have heard, in all those police interviews, lots of carrying on about those terrible incompetent stupid security people who did not fix their cameras in spite of all the crime in the neighborhood, and how that had negatively affected his life. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    • thejbmission says:

      You’re making a good point. I want to add — That the question regarding the video came within minutes of Singleton doing George’s very first interrogation which lasted about 26mins. Right after Singleton reads GZ his Miranda rights, in calls a detective asking about the video, a minute after Singleton excuses herself for a few minutes.
      What’s more important? Interrogating the murder suspect or answering a stupid question about a video tape? This question could have been answered by calling the supervisor of the the complex. Why do the cops think GZ is the only one who’d know?
      IIRC, GZ was sent to station early on to meet with Singleton who hadn’t been to the crime scene yet.
      What I’d like to know — What time did police chief Bill Lee arrive at the crime scene? What time did Norm Wolfinger arrive at the crime scene?
      Why does Singleton leave the interrogation room? Did someone need to talk to her about their suspect George Zimmerman?
      Questions, questions…

      • Brown says:

        Time of arrival for Chief Lee,
        8:40 and Capt. O’connor arrived at the same time Serino arrived earlier @ 8:08

        Pages 48 & 49

        Click to access Trayvon_Martin_George_Zimmerman_Documents_given_to_the_Defendant_R.pdf

        I do not see Wolfinger on the list.

      • Brown says:

        As to the video tape , it is just easier to get as much information from the suspect. He was in charge of NW. Why wouldn’t he know, IMO Singleton might of been thinking this way.
        : ^ )

      • Brown says:

        Sorry should of replied all together. I believe she left to get his (GZ) phone to get the number of who was in charge of the security camera of the Clubhouse. His name is Kent Taylor 407-781-1181 or ktaylor@lelandmanagement.com

      • Malisha says:

        All your questions are important ones, thejbmission, and I hope the FBI has gone over all of that in detail. My guess is that the normal police first step of getting all the video records of the event from anywhere in the area was going on but Wolfinger and/or Lee were intervening in the results. Singleton was being “told” about the case by someone who was neither on the scene at the time nor logically “competent” to comment on it. She and Serino were, thereafter, on a very short leash.

    • Malisha said….POLICE have all sorts of equiptment that would give them the information they might need…………..
      Yes indeed, they could use that information if they wanted to……that is….unless they were trying to cover-up a murder.

    • Malisha…Once again, you’ve brought up some VERY interesting points to consider! I do hope the prosecution is taking notes and looking into these things.

  19. Far out. These videos have evolved from excellent to outstanding and I often now have to pause and think about each concept related to timing. Amazing stuff.

  20. Xena says:

    Sure enough, the treeslum is attacking Dave, LLMPapa, and Trent for their videos. In their ignorance (that is, not reading to know better), they assume it is Dave walking although Dave made clear that he did not take the walk and do the filming. Also, in their effort to use good for evil, they posted a tweet from attorney Natalie Jackson to LLMPapa where she tweeted, “Your Consistency videos are very interesting indeed.”

    I wonder how much medication GZ will take tonight after watching the videos on the treeslum? (wry grin)

    • Xena says:

      BTW, if George “walked” faster than the person on Dave’s video, he would have been back at the T SOONER, not later. Meaning again, that we should have heard Trayvon ask, “You have a problem homie?” and GZ would not have needed to look for his cell phone, because he would have still been on his call with Sean.

      • Mike says:

        Also if George walked any faster he’d be jogging at the very least am I right? And Dave’s walk through would sync up as George passes the T when he initially leaves his truck.

        • Brown says:

          Also if I am not mistaken the walk thru and call sync up to him approaching to T and changing his mind about meeting at the mailshed.

        • Xena says:

          Also if George walked any faster he’d be jogging at the very least am I right?

          Right. A faster pace would have placed GZ back INSIDE his truck too before his NEN call ended. There would have been no need to ask for the cops to call him for his location. In the alternative, the NEN call should have recorded Trayvon asking “You got a problem, homie?”

      • LLMPapa says:

        LOL, glad to see someone finally noticed.

        In his reenactment, why do you think he said “walk”, or some derivative thereof, NINE times between his truck and return to the “T”?

        With all his time related statements, he’s already got a problem that’ll be tough to escape. If he ever admitted to running, it only gets bigger.

        • Xena says:

          If he ever admitted to running, it only gets bigger.

          Absolutely Papa. Which leads to why did the dispatcher ask if he was following. The dispatcher had a reason for asking that, and it’s because of the sounds that he heard which were not sounds that GZ was casually taking a stroll.

  21. ed nelson says:

    Real good vid, goes to show that “crime don’t pay” in the day of… the video A. (that’s A what… ). The cams in the supermarkets are connected to the “fusion centers”, I know, I just got told to quit talking… ” inapproapriately with the young female employees” I been shopping that “scab” store…( my bad, as a union guy…) for about 25 years!…

    and this 20 something.. “manager front person” snagged me on my way out with bag a groceries, a small one, I know where to get way better prices!!

    Cameras, cameras everywhere… (it) and not a drop to drink,(unitalize) but drink we will, but the cameras see it and “local cops” are glad to… pay the bill. (be a part of the total awareness deal, ),

    which is: Well it is a whole thing where companies, and local police have been roped into what really is the worst thing, that ole’ George Orwell’s story showed so well, ( I like the version with Richard Burton and John Hurt, it was so, good, and that is where we are headed… Buckwheat!!

    Monopoly corporations that have put Main Street under, and are proxy “communists,” with out benifience to any “worker/folks/people” to back stop the offered up “rationale.

    Check this one:


    And it was great song/over of the refrain from that really creapy song that is so good, and scary: “every move you make…”

    PS: many communication devices are of a kind of symbolic nature,
    fer instance a math teacher told me, math is a language, and some other place, I heard that the languages are some type of symbolic things. So: If one were to intuit that lanquage… is like math… well then you would be able to do math with language, and not all them goddamned number manipulations, so, see anything there… Jethrow?

    • Ed, Since they’ve put cameras on cell phones, EVERYBODY has become BIG BROTHER. The police don’t like the idea that the citizens are “watching” them either because it keeps them from getting away with “misdeeds”…….lol

      • ed nelson says:

        I guess folks will eventually think twice about… stuff like sun bathing in the back yard… Ha ha. It is going to be more worser than that! ah, check this guy: http://craphound.com/

        He tell’s you some of what you always knew… but he knows.

      • ed nelson says:

        Revision: When I stated: “check this guy” what I mean is: check what that guy says about computors… http://craphound.com/?p=4143

      • ed nelson says:

        And tell you something else ole’ “Grey Winter Sky”, (What a wonderfull name… )…
        We sure do need police in our society and in and around our living places… we wouldn’t live too long if there wheren’t the services of these folkes/ and the Fire Department too.

        My main contention is: that who is… on the controls… like, who is the little asshole that is on the _______/board who controls the closed caption / by many/ (IOW’s) If you get my drift… see…. You could be done in….. because these asholes had the drift… INO’s

        Sorry but however, my reply will be incomplete… due to

  22. Two sides to a story says:


  23. Xena says:

    Professor, if I may, Trent Sawyer has also contributed to Dave’s video, providing an excellent side-by-side comparison of the walk with GZ’s NEN call. In it, Trent makes no commentary (so I don’t need to give a warning). 🙂 Thanks Trent. Love you all.

    Just a FYI. I don’t construe this as competing but rather, complimenting each other. That is what teams do.

    • With that understanding, I shall edit the new post by adding Trent’s video.

      Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.


    • Xena says:

      Funny. I didn’t hear Trayvon ask “You got a problem homie” as GZ walked back and passed the T.

      Also funny, according to the NEN call, GZ would have been standing in front of the house on RVC when Sean asked him for the address where he was parked. Well, GZ told the truth — he didn’t know that address because it was a cut-through, which makes his lie about going to RVC for an address all too obvious.

      I hope that the prosecution gets a reconstruction expert to use these videos to produce a reconstruction for the immunity hearing and trial.

      • Mike says:

        Funny. I didn’t hear Trayvon ask “You got a problem homie” as GZ walked back and passed the T.

        I’m glad that you mention that, because in the interveiw with Serino and Singleton, he’s asked to give the point where he
        Is walking back to his truck George gives the point ,Serino starts
        The count and says that’s 84 seconds. George says that he was confronted by Martin on his way back to his truck at the T, for that to be true we should have heard Martin say “you gotta problem Hommie ” wow

        • Xena says:

          George says that he was confronted by Martin on his way back to his truck at the T, for that to be true we should have heard Martin say “you gotta problem Hommie ” wow

          Right on, Mike. (Sorry. Just watched “The Tuxedo” and it played James Brown’s sex machine at the end where he sings “right on, right on.) If GZ’s story is true, then GZ should have given Sean the address he walked to RVC to get, and we should have also had Trayvon’s question on the NEN recording.

          Like Judge Judy says, “If it doesn’t make sense, it’s not true.”

      • Fed-up taxpayer says:

        Can’t hear anything about keys or running because Sean’s voice is stronger than GZ’s on the recording. I hear words of the same rhythm as “he’s running down the street” BUT GZ’s voice doesn’t register any change in tone or pace as when he says “he ran,” or “shit, he’s running.” Also, I hear GZ say “…by it” as if some landmark were near the truck but will defer to experts. As in,”what do I believe, experts or my own ears?”

    • Jun says:

      At 1:13 to about 1:16, if you listen closely, on Trent’s video, George says over the top of the dispatcher

      “He’s running down the street”

      • Xena says:

        Jun, with Sean and George talking at the same time, it’s hard for me to make out what George is saying. Some think he said “you’ll see my keys in it” or something along those lines. I need to hear that slowed down. If I can download the tape from axiomanesia into my recording software, maybe I can do that.

      • Jun says:

        okay if you listen to the unredacted tape… George says at about 3:15 – 3:30 or so

        “He’s running down the street”

      • Fed-up taxpayer says:

        Xena, please post your results. What software do you use?

        • Xena says:

          Xena, please post your results. What software do you use?

          I use Sony Forge Audio Studio. If I am able to slow down the recording and/or enhance it, I’ll probably post it on my blog because I cannot post from my hard drive directly to another blog. If this is something I’m able to do, I will post a link here.

      • whonoze says:

        Jun: What GZ says there, to Sean, is “They’ll see my truck: the keys are in the ignition.” I have gone over this in excruciating detail, and I am 100% positive on this.

      • Jun says:

        It sounds like “he’s running down the street” to me from George

    • Malisha says:

      When we hear him slapping his flashlight, what is he slapping it against, if one hand has his cell phone up to his ear and the other hand has the flashlight in it?

      • Xena says:

        When we hear him slapping his flashlight, what is he slapping it against, if one hand has his cell phone up to his ear and the other hand has the flashlight in it?

        I’ve wondered the same. Also, there’s that sound as he is asked for his last name. Something bothers me about his hesitation in answering Sean, and I don’t get the impression that he didn’t want to give his last name but rather, he couldn’t answer UNTIL HE MADE HIS HAND FREE TO put his phone back up to his mouth.

        Some have said it’s GZ racking his gun. Trent thinks that GZ is opening the screen door on (I think) John’s patio. Whonoze thinks it’s the sound of the battery in GZ’s tactical flashlight. I don’t know, but that hesitation conveys to me that Zimmerman needed to do something using either both hands, or freeing a hand.

      • Jun says:

        George was using one of those weird ear thingys that night for a cell phone.

      • Ezz-Thetic says:

        This vid can explain a lot —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHSe9VA46Sk

      • whonoze says:

        Jun: by all accounts, GZ did not have a BluTooth earpiece, and was indeed holding the phone in his hand.

        And I KNOW, beyond doubt, that the mystery sound does NOT match the exemplar of a Kel-Tec PF9 being racked that was posted on YouTube

      • Jun says:

        You know that pic that George tried to submit, the bloody head pic, that may be inadmissible because of chain of custody?

        I coulda sworn I seen a ear piece cell phone thing

  24. Jun says:

    This with the NEN call proves George is lying about where he parked his car because George clearly says

    “Shit, he’s running”

    “He ran”

    “He’s running down the street”

    • Patricia says:

      @Jun –

      Why would George say “He’s running down the street” when it wasn’t a STREET, but a walkway (a walkway that prevented GZ from driving in pursuit?)

      What if Trayvon WAS running down THE STREET and then Trayvon ducks between the first & second cluster of condos. to get to the dogwalk area and run to Brandy’s through the backyards?

      And George, seeing this, runs IN PURSUIT past THAT cut through to the NEXT cut through between condo clusters – and then runs through that to the dogwalk to “Head him – Trayvon – off at the pass.”

      ( GZ trips in that cut through, or runs into a wall, or some object or other and smashes face, gets bloody nose ON HIS OWN, YARDS AWAY FROM TRAYVON. In the SECOND cut-through. Anybody look to see what obstacles are in THAT dark cut-through?)

      Trayvon, seeing that GZ did not follow him through the first cut-through, thinks he’s eluded “the creepy guy” and keeps talking with DeeDee. After a moment’s rest, he heads down the dark backyard area toward Brandy’s house — only to find George running up TO HIM from that direction!

      “Why are you following me for?”

      “What are you DOING here?”

      GZ: Shove &TM: pushback
      (TM loses phone connection w/DeeDee.)

      Both: fall to ground, grapple.

      It’s The Beginning of the End …

      Jun, how does that fit in with your timing?

      • Jun says:

        All I know is within the 2 minutes George left out his claims, he went down the back pathway, cut Trayvon off and chased him north

        I dont know what to reply to you

        • Patricia says:


          Or within that 2 minutes he ran down Twin Trees (that STREET) after Trayvon, past the cut-through Trayvon used, to the next cut-through between buiildings, turned back north in the dog walk area, spotted Trayvon and “challenged him.”

          No encounter at the T.

          Can you see the possibility?

      • Jun says:

        there was no confrontation at all at the T. Witness 18 saw everything from the confrontation on.

  25. Marilyn says:

    This is awesome. I love that you are collaborating after following all three of you for so long! The point that we’ve been making is suddenly SO clear.
    Simplicity is the key.

    • gbrbsb says:

      Any chance the wish list for David is still open for a tiny addition. Just watched both fantastic videos, and would be nice if he goes up to RVC again he films right looking towards the back gate to see what GZ could have seen. Ta

      • blushedbrown says:

        I have ” a must see list”, I will add your suggestion to ” if you can list” so Dave can see if this can be something he can provide. Its reasonable.
        : ^ )))

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