Zimmerman: Judge Nelson Denies State’s Motion for Gag Order

Important Announcement

NBC News in Miami announced that Judge Nelson issued an order this afternoon denying the State’s Motion for a Gag Order. She said it was not necessary at this time.

By separate order also issued today:

The trial is scheduled to begin June 10, 2013. In a separate order Monday, Nelson said that final witness lists, including any expected expert witnesses, should be exchanged by March 27.

Any self-defense immunity or Stand Your Ground motion should be filed and heard by April 26, and any other pretrial motions should be filed and heard by May 10, which is 31 days before the trial, Nelson wrote.

The next hearing in the case is Dec. 11 at 9 a.m

Hopefully, there will be more information about this later.

Stay tuned.

305 Responses to Zimmerman: Judge Nelson Denies State’s Motion for Gag Order

  1. Xena says:

    @racerrodig. When I clicked “reply” on the comment box in the notification I received via email, what resulted was it showing your email address. I came out of that reply box and am commenting here separately. The next time you sign-in make sure you are not putting your email address in the second line of the sign-in box. In the event you didn’t, then you might want the Professor to know that this happened.

    Exactly….That was a rapper as I recall in MA and I saw where he went public telling the Zidiots to stop using his images as Trayvon Martin, who was murdered. The Zidiots used another Trayvon Martin that one of them found and you can tell it is not the same Trayvon by the width of his nose and the tattoo’s.

    The pic of the teen flipping off at the camera is not Trayvon either. There is a physical difference. The Zidiots believe that all Blacks look alike, with the exception of Bill Cosby.

    • racerrodig says:

      Thanks…don’t know how that happened….I’m not worried, let the Zidiots find me. To my knowledge, every picture the Zidiot Nation says is Trayvon doing something other than smiling, is a fraud.

      It’s in the Zidiot Nation Charter….

  2. LLMPapa says:

    I have a question for Lonnie Star, or anyone else who can answer, regarding a project I’m working on.

    The Clubhouse videos intrigue me, but frankly give me a headache trying to understand what they are showing. I’m aware of very impressive work done by others in sorting through all the vids, but how are they assigning clock times to what the vids show or indicate?

    Am I missing something? I’m aware of the LE document saying they are 18 minutes out of sync from real time, but what translates that info to a specific time at any point in the videos?

    • Xena says:

      @LLMPapa.

      I’m aware of the LE document saying they are 18 minutes out of sync from real time, but what translates that info to a specific time at any point in the videos?

      The time on the tapes are 18 minutes slow. Trent Sawyer discusses how he determined that.

      • racerrodig says:

        I have to say, there is not a single Zidiot who goes to the effort to show Z is innocent and / or he is telling the truth at all in any facet of his case. There are however, many who put the effort into destroying his case like LLMPapa does, among others. I can say I have notes, but not like Papa has !!

        Look at Moron O’ Mara and the Zidiot Nation……O’ Mara has yet to provide any discovery at all and the Zidiot Nation just attacks Crump, Corey, Dee Dee and anyone else they fell like bashing, as if majoring in the minors breaks the case !! Fools, one and all. Then there is the Conservative Outhouse where Trayvon now has at least 50 years of crimes under his belt. I think he was blamed for some robbery in Oakland CA. in 1982 as I recall the Outhouse stating.

        I have to say, my hat is off to all who champion this cause with honest passion & integrity.

        • Xena says:

          I have to say, there is not a single Zidiot who goes to the effort to show Z is innocent and / or he is telling the truth at all in any facet of his case. There are however, many who put the effort into destroying his case like LLMPapa does, among others.

          Yes!! There are a few Zidiots who have produced vids, but they are all about what Trayvon purportedly did, such as the clairvoyant, doubled-back conspiracy. They forget that GZ is awaiting trial for 2nd degree murder and not Trayvon Martin.

          Words cannot express how much I appreciate the time and work that LLMPapa, Trent Sawyer, and Teeslaw have put into presenting EVIDENCE via video.

          • racerrodig says:

            Their efforts are nothing short of amazing. The Zidiot produced videos are as you said……just Zidiot’s opinions, hopes & dreams. Nothing that reveals anything at all that is fact based.

            For S’s & Giggles I went on the gzlegal site…..Are they kidding?? or what. Is it actually possible for someone who claims to be a lawyer to talk out of 9 or 10 sides of his mouth at the same time ?

            It’s not in Mr. Zimmermans best interest for us to talk about the case but …………..(insert 7 paragraphs about his innocence here, and state “undisputed” several times) Is this guy insane ? Exactly as the Professor states, Moron O’ Mara tells the story as if Z was just minding his business and Bam !! out of the blue…..

            More hateable is an understatement.

  3. logi says:

    I think MOM is very happy in Sanford.

  4. Rebecca says:

    I think Nelson did a good thing. MOM can’t have it both ways. I think he will ask for a change of venue,but you can’t be as public as MOM has been and then say his client can’t get a fair trial. I think judge Nelson knows what’s she ‘s dealing with. This will backfire on MOM!

  5. Malisha says:

    I wonder if there is any possibility of entering “amicus curiae briefs” in the trial court in Florida. If so, this point would well be made directly to the judge since I do not believe the prosecution will make it. What it shows ME is that o’Mara is willing to perpetrate what amounts to fraud on the court, and BDLR is willing to permit that. Not that I think it will ultimately matter because I believe this case is too clear for the prosecution’s ass-kissing behavior to the defense to ultimately matter; but if you think of it, something like this would have resulted in a veritable volcano of protest by O’Mara if the prosecution had pulled it.

    Ultimately this last hearing was good in another way: the thing that would make it MOST EASILY POSSIBLE for the defense to get away with a plea to a little tiny cosmetic charge and a slap on the wrist (without wrist control) for George would have been dead silence for all the months until trial was scheduled. THAT would have meant that the path was clear for a quiet little deal. ANY action in the case and ANY news articles in the case, whether they are seen as the defense justifiably doing its work or the prosecution being silly and mean or anything else is still keeping the story alive in the media, and so long as the story is still alive when the time comes for a plea, there will be too much pressure out there for O’Mara and West to go into a proverbial smoke-filled room and save George’s sorry ass without anybody noticing.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I’m sometimes glad OM keeps the story alive in the media because it’s not having the effect that he wants. They make themselves and GZ look worse each week, contrary to what the Treepers think.

  6. grahase says:

    During the hearing to discuss the gag order, MOM provided evidence to Judge Nelson to show the copies of evidence photos he received B&W and colour. He wanted to show the poor quality, etc., etc.

    At this same hearing, MOM provided evidence to the judge a sampling of the gzlegalcase site and several newspaper articles:

    http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Exhibit%20and%20Identification%20List.pdf

    Has anyone else noticed an important omission.

    When OMara entered his motion for sequestration, he included the same of the officer interviewed that caused him to enter the motion or demand or whatever it was.

    That document was shown and discussed on the gzlegalcase website. Funny thing though, before the judges decision to deny his request, that particular document and the discussion – poof – disappeared from the site.

    So, on the 26th, he enters this package to the judge sans this important topic on the site — IMO the most important document for gagging him or at least taking down the site.

    The state did not object to the package from MOM. They maybe did not notice the important omissions.

    In short, there are gzlegalcase topics purposely omitted from MOMs evidence to show that he DID NOT cross the line.

    I think this is important and the State Attorney’s Office SHOULD bring this information to the attention of the court. The omissions may have been enough to have changed the Order.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      No surprise. He’s pretty manipulative. He thought he could manipulate the public with the defense POV on GZLC and the old GZLC Facebook that he removed because GZ supporters actually made the case look bad on it..

    • Groans says:

      Grahase, I believe the gzlegalcase sampling and the newspaper articles were Prosecution exhibits for its gag order motion; and the photos were Defense exhibits for one of its discovery motions.

      The exhibits list document is a bit confusing, but if you look on the first page it describes which exhibits are from which party. (And then from the Court’s minutes, you can see references to when and why the exhibits were submitted during the hearing.)

    • Groans says:

      BTW, even though MOM may have removed his sequestration [“prophylactics”] motion from his web site, it’s still available from the court’s web site (see 10/19/2012 “Emergency Motion for Protective Order”).

      http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html

      Of course, MOM’s web discussion of it isn’t available there (and maybe MOM removed it from his web site before BDLR was able to print it in support of the prosecution’s gag order?).

    • rachael says:

      Blaming it on medication at that time ^ Sign. It isn’t medication, it is GEORGE. Easy to blame medication, but at some point, it comes down to it is George.

      Page 144: Zimmerman has a bad temper according to his ex-fiancee’. She thought this may have been a side effect of Zimmerman’s use of Accutane. In Zimmerman’s medical report the day after the shooting, the drug Vyvanse is mentioned to cause mood swings in Zimmerman. Was his bad temper and mood swings “cured” before he met Shellie?

      http://bcclist.com/2012/07/24/george-zimmerman-evidence-dump-2-a-deeper-dive/

    • Jun says:

      I noticed George has blame two other altercations as self defense

      1) When he attacked police officers, George claimed (well actually his family) that it was self defense and the cops did not identify themselves

      2) The ex girlfriend, he claimed it was self defense

      We did not hear about the lady he threw across the room at the party but I am guessing he will claim it is self defense again LOL

      • Xena says:

        According to his astrological chart, GZ has the hallmark of an explosive temper. Maybe we will see it in the courtroom. He is in a Saturn return.

      • Rachael says:

        He’s the little boy who cried wolf.

      • Jun says:

        How about the lil 6 year old boy that Zimmerman chased home and accused of stealing his bike? The cops concluded that Zimmerman was wrong, yet again, and the bike wasnt stolen… if I was the father in that situation, the cops would be peeling my hands off Zimmerman’s throat strangling him

        But I am guessing he will claim its self defense against the 6 year old lil boy too

        Kicked a dog? Self defense again

        The cousin the alleges rape and molestation? Self defense again

        Seems to be his answer for everything LOL

      • rachael says:

        It wasn’t a 6-year-old boy, it was a teenager. I think I linked it somewhere – but it was a teenager who always felt like GZ was kinda after him. Anyway, he had to prove to police it was his bike and GZ never even said he was sorry.

        The incident with a boy was a boy who GZ said looked to be 7-9 and he reported him for walking alone down a street toward a school and he was “concerned” because the boy was walking alone on a busy street.

        Gah!!! A 7-9 year-old boy – walking toward a school. It wasn’t like he was 4. Concerned my ass.

      • Jun said: “….George claimed (well actually his family) that it was self defense and the cops DID NOT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.”
        Let me see now…..Since George did not identify himself to Trayvon…then according to Law of Zimmerman, it would have been perfectly legitimate for Trayvon to have attacked George and claim self-defense…………right?
        One has to wonder what kind of judge Zim Sr. was. Did he use double standards then too?

      • Jun says:

        GWS… yep ironic isnt it… I wouldnt doubt if Zimmerman tries to change his story again in court and say he did identify himself

        • Xena says:

          I wouldnt doubt if Zimmerman tries to change his story again in court and say he did identify himself

          Now, now Jun. Since Trayvon had superhuman ability to know that if he ran, GZ would follow him; where GZ would run or walk after Trayvon became invisible, and the time and place GZ would walk back for him to become visible again, Trayvon was also suppose to be able to read GZ’s mind to know who he was.

          You see, it’s all Trayvon’s fault for not being 100 percent clairvoyant.

    • gbrbsb says:

      From the article,

      “Defending his son this morning, Zimmerman’s father said, “I’ve never known him to be violent at all, unless he was provoked.”

      Zimmerdic:

      pro·voke (pr-vk)
      tr.v. pro·voked, pro·vok·ing, pro·vokes

      1. To incite to anger or resentment; Black, young, male

      2. To stir to action or feeling; Black, young, male running
      (“He´s running”, “He ran”)

      3. To give rise to; Black, young, male challenging authority
      (why you following me?”)

      4. To bring about deliberately; Black, young, male wearing a hoodie and walking in a gated community

  7. Malisha says:

    Oh NOW I understand what George really meant when he was on the Hannity show. He doesn’t speak clearly. He meant to say it was “Goats Plan.” Maaa-aa-aa-aa-aaah. :mrgreen:

    • Xena says:

      Wait. First, I have to balance myself and adjust the band aid on my head from the injury I suffered falling out of my chair. Then I have to wipe the tears from my eyes. Okay.I’m better now from ROFLMAO!!!

      He meant to say it was “Goats Plan.” Maaa-aa-aa-aa-aaah. :mrgreen:

      Yeah. You got it. 🙂

  8. Xena says:

    On Sept. 15th and 16th, 2012, Gravis Marketing conducted a poll of 1,728 Florida voters regarding the George Zimmerman case.

    Of those polled believing GZ is guilty;
    38.5% of Hispanics
    40.5% of Asians
    28.3% of Whites
    57.9% of Blacks
    34.8% Other

    Of those unsure:
    34.3% White
    15.3% Black
    29.1 Hispanic
    35.1% Asian
    40.2% Other

    1,728 people is certainly not many, but it does tell us that O’Mara’s social media presence has not had great persuasion.

    http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/09/poll-on-george-zimmerman-murder-case.html

    • Jun says:

      You cant really take online polls serious, especially the Dr. Phil poll. I voted 3 times, as an experiment, and I voted 3 times. That poll or any other internet poll can easily be cheated

      • Xena says:

        You cant really take online polls serious, especially the Dr. Phil poll. I voted 3 times, as an experiment, and I voted 3 times. That poll or any other internet poll can easily be cheated

        I agree Jun, but the Gravis Marketing poll was not an internet poll. They telephoned registered voters in Florida.

      • Jun says:

        By the polls, it shows that white people are pretty much dead even throughout but just a tad bit more leaning for guilty

        every other people its pretty much they find George guilty, from the blacks, asians, hispanics, and other

        • Xena says:

          By the polls, it shows that white people are pretty much dead even throughout but just a tad bit more leaning for guilty every other people its pretty much they find George guilty, from the blacks, asians, hispanics, and other

          Right. It could be, because every person of color in America has experienced profiling or discrimination on some level that caused them to fear, or actually violated their civil rights.

      • Jun says:

        I dont get it because, even if you are a white person…

        one is a kid with Skittles, Ice Tea, Cellphone

        and

        the other person is an adult with a gun, a car

        the kid ends up dead

        even before the whole issue comes to face, it sounds like a creepy stalker creepin on a kid

        • Xena says:

          Indeed, GZ made efforts to follow and capture a “suspect.” Some people polled may not have heard his NEN call. Others may have, but assumed that “neighborhood watch captain” gave him authority to get out of his vehicle, chase and confront Trayvon.

          Placing this in the perspective of a parent, any grown man who follows anyone of any age, race or gender, then get out of that vehicle when reaching a road cut-off to follow on foot, and when having opportunity to de-escalate the situation by introducing himself but doesn’t, should have the living daylights beaten out of him.

          Rather than crying for help, GZ should have been yelling “I’m neighborhood watch, I’m neighborhood watch, please stop beating me.” Well, Trayvon never laid a hand on GZ because if GZ was doing the right thing, he would have been yelling that he was neighborhood watch so residents would have courage to help him. Not even the residents had a clue who GZ was. Why choose to help him rather than Trayvon?

      • Jun says:

        Why would they feel a Neighborhood Watch is allowed to target, stalk, and chase people for walking down the street?

        The guy does not even have any evidence of a crime being committed while he chased and stalked and, or any reasonable belief for suspicion, nor is there any empathy toward how a kid would feel about a complete unidentified stranger, stalking and chasing him throughout the dark of the night with a gun, when he was just walking home with Skittles and Ice Tea.

        Even cops identify themselves before giving chase and have a system in place before they are even allowed to go after anyone, which Zimmerman has absolutely zero authority to do at all (act as an officer)!

        I dont care if it was an adult, no one wants to be stalked and chased by a complete stranger, who has crazy perceptions about, chasing them around a complex with a gun, accusing them of doing burglaries, especially a person who is not even a cop or authorized by law to do so. We dont live in anarchy or a police state. Especially if you are just walking home with candy.

        BTW

        I just thought of something with the video… from the clubhouse… I think they will also use it to prove Zimmerman was lying about Trayvon looking at houses

    • Malisha says:

      That means that they believe he is guilty NOW, before the prosecution puts on its case. Remember, most people in a poll before a trial even starts will say they do not know, especially if they are in the state where the trial will take place. To say otherwise is to make it seem that the person can never get a fair trial. If you asked the same people, “Was it proper that George Zimmerman was CHARGED?” they would show much different numbers.

  9. Malisha says:

    About the screams and about George saying, as soon as he was cuffed (IF we are to believe the police report saying he DID in fact say this while being cuffed and placed in the squad car) that he was calling out for help and nobody would help, there is this to consider:

    1. George claimed he was the one screaming “Help me help me”
    2. Two forensic voice identification experts said that it was NOT George’s voice, using examples they had of George’s voice, and mapping it out (one using a computer program and the other, his trained ears);
    3. The FBI did not say it could not be George’s voice or that it COULD be George’s voice; all they said was that they could not tell WHO it was. Not being able to tell WHO it was does not tell us whether they could rule OUT George. I’ll be they CAN but didn’t want to say so yet.

    Anyway, there we have a credibility issue of George testifies.

    • Jun says:

      Robert Jr & Sr can get up on the podium and continuously lie but I dont feel they are convincing any impartial judge or jury that that is George screaming

      1) It does not sound like George
      2) They can use the voice samples George gave to compare the two
      3) It sounds like a kid screaming and George screaming at the kid
      4) The screams were ended and stopped with a gunshot
      5) The screaming does not match Zimmerman’s story
      6) I would moreso feel they will believe Sybrina over the Zimmerthugs regarding the screaming
      7) There are 4 witnesses who stated that it sounded like a kid, who were at the scene
      8) Zimmerman was the one targeting and chasing the kid with a gun. The kid was running away from him. The kid was smaller than Zimmerman and was unarmed and only had Skittles & Ice tea. It is obvious who was the one in fear for their life, the one who was about to die, which was Trayvon.
      9) I would show voice samples of Zimmerman talking and what he sounds like, such as the NEN call and some court tapes.

      Personally, I feel both the Roberts should get perjury and obstruction charges when they step in the ring called court, because that is really f***ked up to listen to that kid scream for his life and lie like that

  10. Dennis says:

    The pro-Zimmerman camp now claims that Tracy Martin is a freemason and set-up his child to be murdered. These racist morons surely do come up with some very entertaining theories. I’m sure the next will claim that Zimmerman is a Manchurian Candidate and had no control over his actions.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO for a while they were claiming Omara was setting George up too LMAO

      • Dennis says:

        I figure I would share an article I was reading about the top 10 defenses used in court.

        #7 Self Defense
        “This defense is mainly used in charges of assault or homicide. The accused claims to have assaulted, or killed, the victim because the victim attacked the defendant. In cases where the accused actually killed the attacker, the court must establish that the attacker would have otherwise killed the defendant, and the defendant could not have otherwise avoided his or her own death. In any case, the attack by the accused could not have been more than what was necessary to ward off the attack of the original aggressor.”

        According to this definition, if Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defense, he must prove that force was needed to prevent his own death. It doesn’t even say anything regarding “great bodily harm”. I assume standard self-defense laws vary from state to state.

      • Dennis says:

        Speaking of funny things, did you hear the Tyson comment regarding Zimmerman?

        “It is a crime he has not been shot yet” Iron Mike

        LMFAO

      • Jun says:

        Its Chapter 776 in Florida

        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

        IMO

        There’s way too many points for Zimmerman to fall on the actual statute and its fairly far from a self defense claim because Zimmerman targeted a person and started the altercation, as well, he was in no danger, at all, and the victim had given up a long time ago by running away from him, trying to get away, and screaming for mercy. On top, he lunged at the kid after shooting him, pinned him down asphyxiating him by sitting on the kid’s back while he was facedown, and started rubbing his hands all over the dying kid. Its not self defense if you start it. There’s an attacker/aggressor, and then there is the defender.

      • Jun says:

        LOL Tyson…. gotta love that crazy dude

      • Dennis says:

        @jun
        I don’t know about standard self-defense laws, but the SYG law has a specific set of provisions for if the accused is determined to be the aggressor. If they are determined to be the aggressor, the person must attempt to flee and also show the other parties involved that they are no longer going to continue to use force. It would have been possible for Zimmerman to be acquitted on standard self-defense charges, that is if the prosecution didn’t have the evidence like Martin screaming before being shot. The tapes of the screams seal it for Zimmerman. He shot an innocent kid that was screaming for his life, and nobody would help him, not even that neighbor that came outside. If I heard some kid being assaulted and screaming for his life outside of my home I would be out there in a second with either my gun or a baseball bat. So typical of people today thinking that the police will protect them.

      • Jun says:

        Thats what I didnt get. Its America. I dont see why anyone couldnt have came out and told George to stop it and drop his gun and get off the kid.

    • Xena says:

      The pro-Zimmerman camp now claims that Tracy Martin is a freemason and set-up his child to be murdered.

      If they sincerely believe that, they had better start sleeping with red lights on in their bedroom. One never knows who a freemason is and how they can make people disappear. LOL!

      These racist morons surely do come up with some very entertaining theories. I’m sure the next will claim that Zimmerman is a Manchurian Candidate and had no control over his actions.

      Didn’t you know? Mama Zim comes from a Peruvian cult that sacrifices goats on the full moon. GZ’s required participation in that ritual was a programming where he simply has to be touched on the shoulder to engage violent behavior, which he forgets upon drinking water. (Remember, he consistently asked for water in the police station that night, and also before the voice stress test.)

      Mama Zim’s ability to program her children via the Peruvian goat sacrifice ritual is the real cause for GZ being a failure, now followed by the rest of his siblings, and her own situation of living like a vagabond, because the last goat she sacrificed was a day before a full moon. It’s the revenge of the goats.

    • grahase says:

      Tracy Martin is a mason.

      • Xena says:

        Tracy Martin is a mason.

        My dad was too, which worked out very good for me in my dating days. The moment any guy said his dad was a Mason or he was a Mason, I reminded him of their rules regarding daughters of Masons. Some stayed around. Others disappeared in a hurry. 🙂

    • @Jun…..The witnesses probably didn’t know at first that it was George. And even if they did know, they were probably afraid of him themselves, knowing his history of going through the neighborhood with a gun while on “patrol”.

      • And I meant to add…I don’t know if anyone would have dared to confront George when he was angry and have him think that they were defending George’s target. He might have thought that they were suspecious too for defending Trayvon.

      • Jun says:

        I theorized that for a while that George may have threatened witnesses at the scene…. I mean the guy just killed a screaming kid in front of everyone and the police did not do much about it

  11. Malisha says:

    It is delicious to me that O’Mara and Zimmerman and the Outhouse crowd believe absolutely that it was a terrible horrible anti-white conspiracy to deprive poor George of his constitutional rights that got the charges leveled against the poor guy, and that they think it is the worst most vicious thug-like behavior to force him to stand trial for murder, and that the press are behaving like lying meanies for saying anything bad against him. And although they think they can prove all this, it will avail them nothing at all. So the Blacks, and the Thugs, and the Sharpton-Jackson-Crump-Jackson crowd, and the nasty press, and the lily-livered FDLE, are all going to WIN and poor innocent self-defensive George is going to LOSE and there is nothing zero zilch NADA he can do about it and his Outhousers can scream about it for the rest of their pitiful lives, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    • Jun says:

      I am surprised I havent heard any Jew conspiracy theories of how the Jews run media LMAO

      I have read a quite many conspiracies involving how Jews run media by KKK like people

      • Fed-up taxpayer says:

        I have read quite a few comments in quite a few places that the Zimmermans are Jews,Jews control media,that’s why GZ wasn’t arrested. Or that Wolfinger and RZ Sr. are Jews therefore they conspired.

        Lots of different conspiracy theories out there; take your pick.

      • Jun says:

        With the exception with some paranormal phenomenon, I dont delve into conspiracy theories

        BTW I head Zimmerman is actually German and a maybe for Jewish…

        • cielo62 says:

          Jun~ Zimmerman is not Jewish. He was raised Roman Catholic, hence that being an altar boy and all.

          ________________________________

          • racerrodig says:

            That may be true, but trust me….he was never really an alter boy.
            I’d say we need proof of that just like the proof he mentored anyone let alone black kids.

            Sorry ….maybe it’s just the reality that he never tells a word of truth. Alter Boy…….I’ll bet collection money was missing on his days to serve…..any takers ??

      • PYorck says:

        BTW I head Zimmerman is actually German and a maybe for Jewish…

        Yes, it is. ‘Zimmerman(n)’ means ‘carpenter’ (‘timber man’ plus a little consonant shift.)

        While there are Jews with that name, it is in not typically Jewish.

      • rachael says:

        Well I do have to say, being Jewish myself, I have known a couple of Jewish Zimmermans.

      • rachael says:

        @Fed-up taxpayer

        Wow – just found this article and well, I have to warn you –

        http://thebilzerianreport.com/is-george-zimmerman-jewish/

      • grahase says:

        It was Robert Zimmerman, Jr. himself who stated his father was half Jewish during his talk show circuit.

      • rachael says:

        @grahase:
        “It was Robert Zimmerman, Jr. himself who stated his father was half Jewish during his talk show circuit.”

        How is one “half” Jewish? If Sr.’s mother was Jewish, he is Jewish. Judaism is passed by the mother. A child of a Jewish mother is Jewish. Doesn’t matter who the father is. If he father was Jewish and his mother was not, he is not Jewish. If his mother was, then he is, but there is no “half.”

        Probably just another Zimmerlie.

        • Xena says:

          Robert Jr. is trying to reach out to every racial group to support his version of what his brother told him happened on 2/26/12. The next thing we’re hear is that his great-great-great-great-grandmother on his great-great-great-grandfather’s side was Native American.

      • PYorck says:

        Well I do have to say, being Jewish myself, I have known a couple of Jewish Zimmermans.

        Yes, but it is #20 on the list of the most common surnames here in Germany. There far more non-Jewish Zimmerman(n)s. I have noticed before that all unanglicized German names tend to be perceived as Jewish in the US.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I don’t think OM really believes half the stuff he blabs about.

  12. Malisha says:

    Jun, you point out that any intelligent person would not want that idiot running around the neighborhood thinking he is Clint Eastwood. Well I wouldn’t have minded if he had run around the neighborhood as much as he wanted and ended up shooting a chair.

    • Jun says:

      I wouldnt care either, but this dude is one of those weirdos you hear about who kills small animals and turns into a serial killer. The guy has been spending his life victimizing people. The guy even kicked a dog for no reason.

  13. grahase says:

    GZ groupies don’t even talk about GZ any more. It is all about Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, and LE. GZ is insignificant now. They want the black lawyers now. Georgie is nothing to them.

    • Xena says:

      GZ groupies don’t even talk about GZ any more. It is all about Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, and LE. GZ is insignificant now. They want the black lawyers now. Georgie is nothing to them.

      BINGO! It’s always been attacking Blacks and never about supporting GZ, the person.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO its so funny how RZ Jr claims he is not racist but he attacks everyone that is black…

      He blames Obama
      He blames the black lawyers

      You never see him get mad at Mitt Romney for making statements to arrest GZ and investigate…

      Clay Aiken made statements that he had a son about Trayvon’s age and a jury needs to see and hear this…

      But no… its only the blacks…

      Do they know that the person who made the change.org petition is a white irish dude?

      • rachael says:

        I’m not black, but I sure as hell wouldn’t let my son be shot down unarmed by someone who claimed it was self defense when no one else actually saw it just walk without demand that he be accountable for it in a court of law.

      • Jun says:

        I think anyone would be like wtf man?

        I would find out my son was unarmed

        He only had candy

        he got shot and asphyxiated by the killer

        the killer claimed self defense

        and the cops let him go?

        To top it off, you see the killer’s pictures, and he doesnt even look like he was attacked…

        I am not Sherlock Homeboy, but…

        A kid with Skittles & Ice Tea and a cellphone vs Grown adult with a history of violence and a gun….

        and the kid with candy is the danger?

        Good lord, tomorrow is Halloween too

      • @Rachael…..Exactly. That’s why Trayvon’s parents set up a petition on change.org to force the SPD to do an investigation. Whenever there is a case, where I believe there has been an injustice, I google the “victim’s” name along with the word “petition”, and I usually find one to sign. It puts pressure on the “powers that be”, and lets them know that the world is watching. It seems like a small thing but, it can make a big difference! (I’ve been signing and have worked getting signatures for petitions since the Viet Nam war and the first Earth Day…..and still signing away….lol)

      • cielo62 says:

        Jun~ I didn’t know the originator of the Change.org petition to arrest Zimmerman was a white Irish guy! Wow! I signed it because it was and IS the right thing to do. Thanks for that tidbit!

        ________________________________

        • racerrodig says:

          Wow…I signed it because I could see there was more here than meet the eye and was the right thing. I had no idea who originated it. I assumed it was from Trayvon’s family.

          • Brown says:

            I had posted that a while back when someone was giving out a blessing to those who bought attention to the TM Case. I had written a special blesiing must also go out to Kevin Cunningham for starting the petition, see older thread.
            : ^ ))

          • racerrodig says:

            Thank God for the Kevin Cunningham’s and the members of Team Trayvon…..My prayers of thanks and support to all and to the Martin family for handling this tragedy and attempt at a coverup with such class……

            As un – Christian as it is, the entire Zidiot Nation and their hero become more hateable every day……

    • Looolooo says:

      And if the up coming election goes the wrong way, the torrential downpour of viscious(fostered) hatred and bigotry will increase in numbers that I’m too afraid to imagine.

  14. grahase says:

    LLMPapa – 100,000 views! Wow! What this tells me is that people who are interested are interested in the truth. You have your Like button disabled and no comments are permitted. So, you are right. There will be some who don’t agree. However, on most of the other YouTube videos presenting facts, the # of GZ supporters has dwindled dramatically in the last few months. I believe that alot of the GZ supporters, after watching your YouTube videos actually presenting facts, have realized the truth.

    You will never see the die-hard GZ groupies do what can not be done.

    • Xena says:

      I believe that alot of the GZ supporters, after watching your YouTube videos actually presenting facts, have realized the truth.

      They can’t argue against the truth. That is why they opted for conspiracy theories involving attorneys Crump and Jackson, Rev. Sharpton, Sybrina, Tracy, and DeeDee.

    • Mike says:

      LLMPappa is pretty awesome in my book,I also like Trent,and let’s not forget iceman360 You Got A Problem Hommie ,they all have excellent attention to details.thank you all for your work and time.

  15. LLMPapa says:

    I just checked my YouTube account, and sometime this week I should reach a milestone for my message about Trayvon Martin of 100,000 views. I’m not naïve enough to think all viewers agree with, or support, my beliefs regarding what happened on February 26, 2012.

    To that end I make the following offer to Attorney Mark O’Mara or ANY supporter of George Zimmerman.

    Surely some of you have a video camera and the fundamental skills to post a video to YouTube. Instead of screaming about race, the media, Ben Crump, or Natalie Jackson, produce a video with a 5’8” tall 204 lb male lying on his back, prone in the grass.

    -Have a 5’11” tall, 158 lb male straddle him in the “mounted” position with his butt on his stomach and knees against his chest.

    -Put a plastic “gun” in an IWB holster in the dude on the bottom’s pants.

    -Have the one on the bottom “shimmy” his ass off as hard as he can, while the person on top has one hand on his nose and the other on his mouth with his full weight.

    With no IMO, JHMO, or MOO verbiage, show me these three things:

    (1) How it’s remotely possible for the one on top to ever see the “gun”.

    (2) How it’s remotely possible for the one on the bottom to reach and draw the “gun”.

    (3) How it’s possible, with the “gun” drawn, to position it in such a way that a bullet could be fired from an INTERMEDIATE distance, to pass through a victim’s heart DIRECTLY from front to rear with NO angular trajectory, 17 ½” down from the top of the head of the person on top.

    It should be easy, shouldn’t it? George has already provided the script that must be followed!

    Show me these three things are possible, and I will instantly delete all videos on my YouTube channel about Trayvon Martin. But you know what? I’ve got a feeling you’re gonna just keep whining about poor innocent George, and I’m gonna keep picking away at his lies.

    • Brown says:

      PREACH PAPA!!
      Amen to that.

    • Xena says:

      WOW LLMPapa! That’s quite a challenge. All they will need is to combine The Matrix along with Star Trek and Superman to explain how Trayvon had 5 hands, see-through, reach through legs and thighs, and x-ray, night vision. Of course, it won’t take that much for GZ — only a backwards right arm and ability to shoot with one hand without the recoil hitting him in the nose.

    • Xena says:

      Okay. Forgive my arrogance, but I just went over to the treeslum, encouraged by LLMPapa’s challenge to see if the “most of the most” Zimmerthugs could actually take LLMPapa on.

      Talk about ignorance!! They are discussing the list of people who were present when attorney Crump spoke to and recorded the phone call with DeeDee. They want to see the list. So someone posted the following, wondering if it is the list that Crump was to provide by this past Monday.

      10/26/2012… EXHIBIT & IDENTIFICATION LIST

      http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A

      THEY DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXHIBITS ENTERED AT A HEARING from discovery provided outside of court!! Not only that, but did that person bother to actually look at the date?!?! Since they speculate that attorney Crump did not comply with the order of the court to provide the list by 10/29, they defeat their own argument by presenting he provided it on 10/26.

      • Jun says:

        It shouldnt be hard, it sounds like there were maybe 3 people there and the tape was passed to the FBI. I wonder if the FBI will get any people from the Conservative Tinfoil Hat?

        • Xena says:

          I wonder if the FBI will get any people from the Conservative Tinfoil Hat?

          At Friday’s hearing, Bernie said that the FBI’s investigation is ongoing. Judge Nelson told MOM (my paraphrase), that if he wants anything from the FBI, to get it himself.

          The FBI might take a year building a case to make sure they have all evidence necessary to get a conviction. They work smart; not fast.

    • @LLMPapa…….and also beating the “bottom guy’s” head against the ground…..but wait….the top guy will need an extra pair of hands to pull that one off since he’s already got one hand over the nose, and another hand over the mouth…..
      hmmmmmm………

    • thejbmission says:

      Great idea LLMPaPa!!!
      I’ve seen most of your videos but the one that sticks out to me the most is your theory referring to the height of GZ and TM and how when GZ’s arm is extended straight forward from the shoulder, it aligns perfectly with TM’s chest and the entry of the gunshot wound. I’ve been following you ever since I saw that and I bet that of all of those 100,000 hits (which you truly deserve) — whether pro or con Zimmerman — you’ve changed a quite a few minds.
      Since O’Mara wants to play the social media game, I hope that BDLR is doing the same. There’s a lot to be learned from your videos. Thanks for all that you do in seeking justice for Trayvon.

  16. rachael says:

    ” I don’t like that they have rushed to judgement the way they have.”

    Oh? What about the way YOU, GZ, rushed to judgement that Trayvon Martin was “suspicious?”

  17. grahase says:

    Remember this:

    Hannity:

    What do you feel about all the media attention in this case. There are crimes that happen every day. The nation is focused on your case Why do you think that is, and what do you make of it, and what does it mean to you.

    George Zimmermans UNBELIEVABLE response:

    Its surreal. I don’t like that they have rushed to judgement the way they have. I feel that every time they have a story that is remotely positive, they interpret it negatively….

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      “a story that is remotely positive….”!

      Judge, issue me a gag order so I can throw up.

      • grahase says:

        Yep – people continue to focus on the – Gods Plan – malarkey. I think this answer is more telling than that is. He thinks that his story is remotely POSITIVE. To me, if this isn’t a statement made by a racist, I don’t know what is.

        As above – excerpt from Hannity interview.
        Here is a video for you, LLMPapa – Just those three little sentences will be enough to make anyone sick to their stomach. People have a tendency to forget all these little nuggets over time.

      • @grahase…..A video made with George stating those three sentences would be, to say the least, a perfect example of George’s sociopathic mind.

    • Jun says:

      I dont get that argument from the Zimmerthugs.

      Zimmerman clearly targeted a kid, who happened to only have candy and ice tea and a heart stickered cell phone, and rushed to the judgements of Zimmerman’s own hatred and disregard for the kid.

      Zimmerman is heard stalking the kid and clearly admits to it, and admits that the kid is running away, 3 times. Zimmerman is actually heard getting out of his car and running after the kid.

      Screams are heard that sound like a kid, the same kid Zimmerman was stalking and chasing with a gun. Zimmerman has killed the kid. Zimmerman is far away from his car. In the time frame a slotted, he should have been back at his car if that was his intent. Zimmerman is instead found at the dying kid he targeted, having had killed him.

      What rush to judgements when it is fact?

      The only rush to judgement I see is from Zimmerman and his dumb ass cult.

  18. Malisha says:

    LooLoo, they don’t need to go digging to get George’s history of violence and bullying behavior onto the record. The defense is on a fishing expedition to try to find something on Trayvon but the prosecution is sitting still and quiet. WHY?

    1. The prosecution already has a good rebuttal witness in the ATF witness who was assaulted by George in 2005.

    2. The prosecution already has a good rebuttal witness in Monica Zuazo.

    3. The prosecution already has a good rebuttal witness in the Middle Eastern co-worker who described George as a lying bully.

    4. The prosecution already has a good rebuttal witness in the woman he threw across the room at a “private party” when he changed from “Jekyl to Hyde.”

    5. The prosecution already has a good rebuttal witness in the co-worker who told the press about the incident named in paragraph 4.

    6. The prosecution probably has another dozen good rebuttal witnesses. They do not need to go fishing. There have been dead fish lying on the desk rotting in the sunlight for many months now.

    So nobody need worry about finding some negative comment in Trayvon’s school records. That whole gambit was done for the purpose of making racists get off on their idiotic suppositions that the school records of this quiet, laid-back kid are going to reveal a summo wrestler in disguise. But what a GOOD DISGUISE!

    • Looolooo says:

      @ Malisha………I hear ya, thanx. I wasn’t sure if the state was allowed such liberties. Too bad said liberties weren’t utilized in the Caylee Anthony travesty.

  19. Malisha says:

    Jun, how can you be so harsh. Perhaps you are racist against white Hispanics? Or are you stigmatizing folks with ADD? :mrgreen:

    • Jun says:

      I keep forgetting that it was a grave mistake by Trayvon to walk while black, into a neighborhood he resided at and had to punch in a gate code to get in, and run away from a crazy deranged man who thinks he is Charles Bronson, and to try to defend himself against this same man, who got beaten near death but was cured by miraculous butterfly knuckle bandaids

      You are right I am being motivated by the media bias to investigate and charge a man for killing a kid, because you know, he’s black and all, and we dont know what their deal is LMAO

      Whoops almost brainwashed by the Zimmerthugs but no dice

  20. Jun says:

    Call it a hunch, but I dont believe traditional self defense involves targeting, disparaging and stalking & chasing (with a gun I might add) a kid who only has candy, ice tea and a heart stickered cell phone, terrorizing the kid so he screams for his life, and shooting the kid in the heart, putting the kid facedown, sitting on the kid’s back while he is dying and asphyxiating him, and having Zimmerman rub his hands all over the dead kid’s body

    That sounds pretty f**ked up if you ask me…

    • Dennis says:

      I don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty”. We let these monsters get bonded out and for all we know he could kill another innocent person. A delusional justice system lets murderers walk free regardless of the evidence against them.

      • Jun says:

        You know what is effed up is that in Florida you need to have a higher standard of evidence for bond to hold them in remand, then you do to throw them in prison for life

    • Jun, I can’t even imagine what was going through Trayvon’s mind when all this was happening. I myself, am haunted (on the verge of tears) visualizing what he was going through those last moments, crying out for help, wondering why the creepy guy was threatening to kill him, and then, no doubt, knowing he was shot in those last seconds…and WHY?……….And yet…..Zimmy has absolutely no problem dealing with what he did. Never haunted by Trayvon’s pleading for help….Never haunted by knowing that he killed an unarmed, innocent kid. Not a shred of remorse. Zimmy only cares about one thing, and that is what other people are trying to do to him. Zimmy is a narcissistic, sociopathic killer who has been enabled for a long time by his dysfunctional family.

  21. Dennis says:

    Frederick, do you think it is possible that the prosecution will subpeona Sean Hannity? There are claims that he had a secret conversation with GZ that was not on camera.

  22. Malisha says:

    The progression from actually examining the real evidence (done by FDLE after Corey was appointed) to charging Zimmerman with Murder-2 to giving the defendant his chance to plead and his other constitutional rights (ongoing) to plea or trial (coming up) has been what I would call inexorable. OK, time is on our side.

    • Jun says:

      I think Bill Maher put it best when he said about George Zimmerman…

      “Arent we all convinced that he’s a big fat f**kin liar?”

    • Dennis says:

      The facts are so undisputed in this case that I can somewhat understand now why they didn’t charge Zimmerman that night. After all, it has been Zimmerman himself that has been putting the nails into his own cross with every lie that comes out of his pie hole. It is pretty sad that a Criminal Justice undergrad can’t even grasp the concept of the Miranda process. You have the right to remain silent…anything you say can and WILL be used against you in court. LMFAO

  23. grahase says:

    Order Disclosing Medical Records:

  24. Malisha says:

    Rachel, post about what?
    Are there links in the post?
    If so, just tell us the key words necessary to find the links.

    • rachael says:

      There were 2 links with regard to: neighbors concerned zimmerman patrol – or something like that. The one I wanted to post was a HuffPo article that amazingly enough is no longer available, but I found 2 others that mentioned the people concerned, but I see the context was already mentioned here about the young people afraid to go out of their houses because he made them feel like they were being “watched,”

      “A neighborhood teenager, Teontae, stated that he and is friend, who is also black, “would sit at the end of the driveway in the evening and felt uncomfortable when Zimmerman would pass them on a neighborhood patrol.” Zimmerman accused Travis Williams of stealing a bike and made him prove that he owned it with the bike’s serial numbers”.

      and someone who was upset that he used a gun on patrol.

      “I do have a weapon, but I don’t walk around the neighborhood with mine!” Actually, he does not walk around the neighborhood at all.

      “I fit the stereotype he emailed around,” he said. “Listen, you even hear me say it: ‘A black guy did this. A black guy did that.’ So I thought, ‘Let me sit in the house. I don’t want anyone
      chasing me.’ ”

      The links are in the post that is awaiting moderation, but like I said, someone – you or someone else – already mentioned these. But yeah, the concern was there before he shot Trayvon.

      Good God, why wasn’t something DONE about him earlier??!!!

      • Malisha says:

        Rachel, that’s the point. If those complaints that had been made against George Zimmerman had been followed up on, as they should have been, because the police are a PUBLIC SAFETY agency, then they would have prevented the killing of Trayvon Martin. Goerge Z would have been put on notice that his conduct of chasing people around and threatening them with guns and profiling young Black males was noticed, was not OK, and would not be permitted. THEN he would have been afraid to chase down Trayvon and kill him. In that regard, the SPD HAD TO COVER UP THE CRIME because they had already had reports of the dangerous activities George was engaged in that made all the neighbors vulnerable and that made it quite probable that there would be an untoward incident resulting in injury or death.

        On March 1, 2012, three days after the killing of Trayvon Martin, Bill Lee went with “a member of the city council” — that would probably be Commissioner Patty Mahaney — to a meeting of the RTL HOA, and a home-owner had to be “escorted out of the meeting” because he was getting vocal about the fact that his several complaints ABOUT ZIMMERMAN to the police prior to the killing of Trayvon Martin had been ignored. So the complainer, who had already notified the police of the clear and present danger to his community, was escorted out of the meeting and intimidated by the police chief and the city counsel member.

        See what their incentive was to cover up this crime? THEY WERE COMPLICIT IN THIS CRIME.

        • Xena says:

          There’s a blogger who argues a “bigger picture” about the situations leading up to, and allowing GZ to harass residents, and it involves blaming minorities who moved into that gated community for the housing crash that reduced the property values.

          Noah Caraker, an administrative employee of the Seminole County Public Schools and HOA President agreed to pay the SPD to conduct patrols in the community for traffic and HOA violations. That agreement was announced in the June 2011 HOA newsletter, which is part of discovery.

          On September 20, 2011, Noah Caraker formally stepped down as HOA president and 2 days later on September 22, 2011, George Zimmerman was introduced at the community meeting for NW. The president replacing Caraker was not aware that GZ was trying to organize a NW until residents called him about a man coming to their door with a clipboard.

          If I remember the chronological order of events correctly, after GZ made contact with Dorvial to address residents about NW, Taaffe gave her a call (documented in an email by Dorvial), complaining about renters being the problem for crime. Dorvial asked GZ if the HOA had policies for homeowners renting out their property, such as conducting background checks. GZ, himself a renter, did not get back to Dorvial with that info.

          Based on the blogger’s argument, the intent of Caraker was to have the SPD harass or give an appearance of intimidation to certain residents of the RATL, namely, Blacks, to encourage them to move out. Taaffe has given the public the impression that race is the basis for his justification for GZ to profile and kill Trayvon.

          What the SPD could not do without exposing themselves to complaints of racial profiling, GZ could do, and the handling of any complaints would be left up to the HOA because racial profiling and harassment by an undeputized nobody is not a crime — they have no authority to wrongfully enforce any laws that violate human rights.

          http://redyankeepress.blogspot.com/2012/05/zimmerman-gets-little-help-from-cracker.html

      • rachael says:

        “THEY WERE COMPLICIT IN THIS CRIME.” Perhaps. I mean yes, something should have been done about him earlier, it is obvious he was a shooting waiting to happen, but that does not change the fact that HE, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN did what he did. That does NOT change the fact that GZ was the one holding “the” gun leaving a young man’s body dead on the ground.

        They may have been complicit in this crime, but that is a separate issue and does not change the fact that GZ murdered a young man.

        That is like the outhouse folks saying that if Trayvon was doing okay in his life, he wouldn’t have been sent to stay with his dad and therefore, would not have even been there that night. Whether it is true or not that he was having problems, that has nothing to do with the fact that he was there that night and GZ shot and killed him.

        Maybe the SPD should have done something about him earlier, but that has nothing to do with the fact that they didn’t and GZ
        himself is the one who shot GZ.

      • rachael says:

        @Xena – here is an article I found called Why Frank Taaffe is as Scary as George Zimmerman

        http://skeweddistribution.com/2012/04/03/the-trayvon-martin-case-why-frank-taaffe-is-as-scary-as-george-zimmerman/

        • Xena says:

          Thanks for the link, Rachael. I remember reading that some months ago. It did encourage me to listen/watch Taaffe’s interview with Nancy Grace. Now, to be honest, I am not a fan of Nancy Grace, so this is the first time I’ve actually watched that interview. What I heard is that Taaffe talked with Osterman. Osterman presented GZ as a deputized member of LE and Taaffe was stupid enough to repeat that type of defense. Taaffe also rudely interrupted everyone with the “injuries” line of jive in effort to avoid addressing that GZ was the aggressor.

          IMO, Taaffe has the White Superiority disease thinking that his race and gender makes him right, even when he is wrong.

      • Jun says:

        Do they have all the vocal complaints on record before the George Zimmerman murder of Trayvon? Thats fairly deadly evidence against George

      • @/Rachael……Good article. There are so many “characters” involved in this case in so many ways and at various levels. Frank seems to love the fact that Zim has done what he has probably fantasized doing himself. Two sociopathic peas in a pod.

      • gbrbsb says:

        @Rachael. Thanks for link. I read the article a while back but re-reading it now I remembered it was what Taffe said, i.e.,

        “… there are documented crimes in our neighborhood that have been perpetrated by one group of young black males”

        as well as the police reports of GZ´s NEN calls that convinced me that Trayvon screams, surely while GZ twists his arm and tries to interrogate him, “I don´t know ‘em.” ((th)‘em being the supposed group of black “criminals”)

  25. rachael says:

    Is my post still awaiting moderation? It is showing it is but I can see it so I’m not sure.

  26. Malisha says:

    George Zimmerman’s singl act on 2/26/2012 made RTL into a high-crime neighborhood.

  27. Malisha says:

    Xena, thanks for the article about the discrimination suit against SPD. As you know, I have been thinking for some time that what REALLY happened to cause this case was that the residents at RTL complained about George running around white-hat-cowboy on everyone, and Bill Lee quashed the complaints and empowered George, and George got into an e-mail thing with Lee where he was praising some officers and running down others (an important “post” for George because he loves that activity), and then Osterman and probably Taaffe and George got into a little thing, possibly arranged with Officer Smith, to “bring in a suspect” so that George could prove to the HOA that he NEEDED to patrol armed at RTL. That way they would hire him as their security guard and he would get to strut all around his own neighborhood every day playing cops and robbers and not have to graduate, work, follow orders, or do anything he didn’t like. I believe, in terms of this scenario, that the SPD is just as guilty as George is and that also explains why they worked so hard on the cover-up.

    • Xena says:

      I believe, in terms of this scenario, that the SPD is just as guilty as George is and that also explains why they worked so hard on the cover-up.

      Malisha, it is reasonable to believe that the SPD knew at least 3 things;
      1. That GZ wanted employment as a cop but did not qualify, and;
      2. That GZ concealed carried, and;
      3. That based on his prior calls, GZ wanted to follow “suspicious” Black males in that community.

  28. dremn2004 says:

    following

  29. leander22 says:

    “LMAO I guess the cash cow he thought it was, did not turn out well

    He was smiles when the money was coming in… money is one of the best cures for stress… but thats a no go now and George’s supporters dont want him to have the money LMAO”

    Jun, careful, he may have been, but we didn’t see. From what we heard Shellie seemed the more excited one. Didn’t he allow her to handle it, something not planned initially. George didn’t give me the impression of smiling. My reading of Zimmerman is, he feels he deserves it, after all didn’t he do what is right? Remember his quote? He may also from watching the web have realized that he had support. He asks her what is going on out there?

    Try to get not to get too excited. Who tells you there is not money flowing indirectly too? Who pays West? Is he working pro bono too? Are there other people involved, a PR advisor? Who pays them? O’Mara?

    When I came to the case rather late in time, it was centrally the phrase: There will be money enough for Zimmerman’s defense, that startled me. It sounded like a threat aimed at the Zimmerman skeptics. They got banned, the most racist comments not. This is a recurring phenomenon from my perspective on Jeralyn Merrit’s Talk Left.

    When the prison calls became public the blog owner, that wrote the sentence above, a retired military intelligence man, and former Green Beret somehow backtracked. The state should collect all the money and give Zimmerman a new bond, he suggested.

    Was he disappointed by George’s attempts to play the system, somehow thought he should be punished for what he did, at least concerning the underhanded handling of the money flows? Or did he only indirectly suggest from now on some support money should flow more discretely and more directly to the lawyers? How many NRA members in the US are there, what does this case mean for them?

  30. Xena says:

    Billy Lee had problems before GZ killed Trayvon. Maybe GZ was hoping to get this officer’s job and capturing a “suspect” was his way to qualify. Thanks to Crime Watcher’s forum for announcing this info.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/discrimination-lawsuit-filed-against-sanford-polic/nSqbS/

    • Malisha says:

      The only way to run a corrupt agency like the SPD is to have a solid inner core of corrupt employees (in this case officers) whom you can use to keep the others in line. People like George become very useful to corrupt officials, as an underling who will snitch, make up false allegations, harass people they want to wash clean of, threaten people they want to intimidate, etc. Bill Lee would have LOVED having George as an officer for him to ultimately use as a weapon against whomever he wanted to target. But they probably couldn’t get past the fact that George couldn’t get his degree at the Junior College and how were they going to make him qualify for the job? Oh, I know, a little hero thing where the newspapers in the area pick up “citizen catches suspect who has been victimizing gated community” and then all the comments on the news story will say, “He should be a cop” and then Lee can get away with it.

      So much stinks in Stanford that you can hide the corpse of the
      corruption past under the smell!

      • Malisha says:

        Typo. Make that “Sanford.” Same name as the owner of Dred Scott. The US Supreme Court case was Sanford v. Scott if I remember correctly.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Wow, this case exposes stuff that’s good for GZLC prosecution. Probably the tip of the iceberg at SPD too.

  31. Malisha says:

    I think there was a nation-wide figure at one point, that 75% of people thought Zimmerman was guilty and 25% not. I haven’t chased it down recently but I do remember it. I remember thinking, “Wow, the exact same numbers as OJ Simpson!”

    • Xena says:

      Malisha, the 75 percent consist of 10 people with numerous handles/accounts to sign-in, sign-out, and sign-in again.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        GZ supporters played the multiple account game on the old GZLC Facebook page. One guy was particularly angry about TM supporters making more than one FB account, so ;he said, and then it turns he was making fake accounts – he accidentally signed in and appeared with his fake account one evening . . .

        I’m getting the feeling there are about a dozen GZ supporters in the entire universe.

        Oh, another GZ fan, a truly racist guy was crowing one day on the GZLC FB about some survey that favored GZ – I went and checked it out – turns out only about 9 people had participated in the survey, LOL!

        • Xena says:

          One guy was particularly angry about TM supporters making more than one FB account, so ;he said, and then it turns he was making fake accounts – he accidentally signed in and appeared with his fake account one evening . . .

          I’ve seen that on other internet sources also where they seem to forget what handle they’re using. LOL.

          Oh, another GZ fan, a truly racist guy was crowing one day on the GZLC FB about some survey that favored GZ – I went and checked it out – turns out only about 9 people had participated in the survey, LOL!

          When Dr. Phil had a poll, the Zimmerthugs openly discussed how they were going to vote multiple times. They are dishonest cheaters. Well, let them continue sending that negative energy in GZ’s direction. Life in prison. It’s all God’s plan.

      • Malisha says:

        You mean the 25%, right? 75% of the American people can still think somewhat clearly. The 25% who allegedly think Zimmerman is not guilty are probably composed of:

        1 – Those who, as O’Mara suggested, would like to kill an innocent young Black kid themselves;

        2 – Those who believe that their rights to carry guns would be taken away if George’s right to kill an unarmed kid were disturbed;

        3 – Those who believe George’s story for some unknown reason, including the reason that they believe all young Black men are murderous thugs; and

        4 – Lunatic paranoids who imagine pretty much what George imagines about how the world works.

        Oh, and yes, it’s that same ten people who are using 4,373,118 different handles on a few hospitable comment blogs. The King of Saudi Arabia has the same kind of arrangement on his own blog.

    • Malisha….I came across this interesting article: “Trayvon Martins killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford” from the Tampa Bay Times, March 25, written by Lane DeGregory. It seems that Georgie’s neighbors are concerned about their kids also “looking suspicious” and also getting shot.
      http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

      • grahase says:

        Believe me, this story has many black teenagers worried about what comes next.

      • grahase…..I got the impression from the article that the neighbors felt that GZ profiled Trayvon and they don’t want it to happen to their kids. I wonder if the neighbors (or the parents of the kids Trayvon played football with) have been questioned by investigators.

      • rachael says:

        Grey winter sky, residents were concerned before he shot Trayvon. One person said he just stopped going outside because he felt threatened by him.

        “I do have a weapon, but I don’t walk around the neighborhood with mine!” Actually, he does not walk around the neighborhood at all.

        “I fit the stereotype he emailed around,” he said. “Listen, you even hear me say it: ‘A black guy did this. A black guy did that.’ So I thought, ‘Let me sit in the house. I don’t want anyone chasing me.’ ”

        http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/03/19/v-print/142416/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html

        Zimmerman may have taken his job a bit too seriously. His
        neighbors reported, “Zimmerman went door-to-door asking residents to be on the lookout, specifically referring to young black men who appeared to be outsiders, and warned that some were caught lurking.”

        A neighborhood teenager, Teontae, stated that he and is friend, who is also black, “would sit at the end of the driveway in the evening and felt uncomfortable when Zimmerman would pass them on a neighborhood patrol.” Zimmerman accused Travis Williams of stealing a bike and made him prove that he owned it with the bike’s serial numbers.

        http://www.policymic.com/articles/5755/did-george-zimmerman-commit-a-hate-crime-in-the-killing-of-trayvon-martin

      • rachael says:

        grey winter sky, I responded to you about how residents were concerned about that even before GZ shot Trayvon, but there were 2 links, so it is being held up to be moderated.

      • grahase says:

        Did you read the nasty comments from Tampa Bay! The GZ PR campaign has really paid off.

      • Malisha says:

        Right, and these concerns did not only POST-DATE the killing of Trayvon Martin. According to RTL home-owner Ibrahim Rashada, a young Black man with a pregnant wife (at the time of the interview), he would not even walk around his neighborhood because George had been publicizing the fact that he wanted all the neighbors to suspect and profile young Black males who, he said, were burglarizing the neighborhood and endangering all the residents. Rashada said that when he wanted to stretch his legs he would drive downtown to walk around but he “didn’t want to be chased” within his community. He was not even referring to the idea of walking around at NIGHT; just plain walking around. George was terrorizing the neighborhood long before he terrorized Trayvon Martin. People knew that he patrolled with a loaded gun and one youngster said, “He was very strict.” Strict? What the heck is the context for “very strict” when a person has no real authority over you? “Strict” should mean a quality of a parent, a teacher, a law enforcement officer, a parole officer, a dominatrix perhaps — not a neighbor. Rashada said that George also told him and his wife that as home-owners there, THEY should get guns. He wanted RTL to be turned into an armed camp where HE was the little Brigadier General and his troops were armed and obedient. ALL THIS WAS KNOWN before the killing of Trayvon Martin. ALL THIS WAS KNOWN to the woman on the HOA who spoke in glowing terms of George helping to catch criminals. ALL THIS WAS KNOWN to Bill Lee and others in the SPD. And you can bet it was made known to Wolfinger at the time he made his “DO NOT CHARGE A CRIME” decision. And as it gets known to the FBI, there may be a price for someone to pay.

      • Jun says:

        Thats why I dare Omara to open that door LOL That dude George is a freakin loony tune. If you check the witness interviews, most of the residents never noticed any break ins, with the exception of witness 11, who happens to be a member of HOA. Any intelligent person would not want that idiot running around the neighborhood thinking he is Clint Eastwood. Who the hell knows whom he decides to target the next day as it could be anyone’s kid or a female, or once in a while an adult.

      • Jun says:

        *adult male

      • racerrodig says:

        Very good article especially since it was on March 25th ! This guy is more “hateable” every day.

        • jm says:

          racerrodig says: “This guy is more “hateable” every day.”

          Interesting. I thought maybe it was just me that despises all things Zimmerman but I was having lunch yesterday and turned on “The View” and Nancy Grace was a guest talking about the Zimmerman family and how they shot themselves in the foot and their need to beg for money, etc, and someone commented (maybe Nancy) tell that to Trayvon’s parents and the audience applauded showing not much pity for the Zimmerman family and support for the Martin family.

          I am beginning to think Zimmerman doesn’t have the support we may think he has and it is just that his supporters are the loudest.
          I also am beginning to wonder if his financial support is down. Will the money he has collected from supporters ever need to be disclosed?

          • racerrodig says:

            As I’ve stated before, I have some connections and his donations are about $20.00 a day now. The entire clan and his entire Zidiot Nation are beyond despicable. The other site, Huff Puff is a joke on this topic now. There is nothing but rancid racist garbage now.
            More Hateable…….you betcha. Not even Scott Peterson stooped to this level. It comes down to a few vile racists wishing they could have done what he did….Plain & Simple.

          • Xena says:

            As I’ve stated before, I have some connections and his donations are about $20.00 a day now.

            That’s not enough to cover the cost of one deposition! No wonder MOM is playing up to the Zidiots If donations don’t increase, he has little chance of getting his legal fees paid.

          • racerrodig says:

            As professor Leatherman stated awhile ago, “Anyone who supports Zimmerman is a racist, anyone who donates is a stupid racist” Can’t argue that. The fact is that he’ll never win this.
            To give one an idea of how stupid his followers are, on Huff Puff the other day one of the Zidiots stated Z will win immunity. I responded that O’ Mara stated he’s not using SYG at which this Zidiot jumped all over me with the insults stating a hearing for SYG was scheduled !! Hmmmmmmmmm I thought, how did an important event like that get my me !!

            So, being a Team Trayvon member and knowing there was nothing scheduled yet, I brought up the Scheduling Order and Duhhhhhh
            of the decade went to that Zidiot. The order states IF he is going to claim Immunity, it must be FILED by April (whatever) 2013. This is how collectively stupid his followers are. The filth he called me was beyond description yet when I smoked him an hour later…..well, he’s not been seen from or heard from under that name since.

            The Coward !! That’s what supports him however.

          • Xena says:

            @racerrodig, back in April when I read an article about the case on Yahoo and posted a comment, I realized that the Zidiots had either not listened to GZ’s NEN call, or they simply wanted to use the opportunity to spurt insults and denigrate Trayvon Martin. Will all of the evidence released, they continue to focus on everything else besides evidence.

            When someone said that Trayvon had none of GZ’s DNA or blood on his hands because of the rain, I felt as though that person was a 6 yr old. Their arguments actually work against GZ’s defense because if it was raining sufficient to wash Trayvon’s hands clean (who was dead and not moving), then the same rain should have washed GZ’s head clean too, and even more so because he was walking around. .

          • racerrodig says:

            When the 1st picture of his injuries was released by O’ Mara the day before his bail hearing, I tore the Zidiots apart. They claimed this one picture was “Proof” Trayvon attacked their lying hero.

            Not one could actually fathom that it proved only one thing. Z had 2 small scratches, one on the top of his head and one on the back. I pointed out that there is no rain in this picture anywhere and there is no grass staining at all on his jacket.

            Of course, none of this matters. The only thing is the “proof” that shows Z was attacked…….You could not scrape a double digit IQ between the Zidiot Nation in it’s entirety on a good day.

            Then of course, Crump will be the prosecution’s downfall. Riiigghhtt!! Now they are on a “..the unethical way the prosecution has railroaded him…” rant. Railroaded ?? Did BDLR actually set this up……I guess Corey lured Trayvon down to the 7/11 just for Z. Then the Tracy Martin is a Free Mason who set Trayvon up to die on purpose. Yep…..can’t argue that logic.

            I’ll bet I have a cinder block that actually understands how to use logic better than the best of the Zidiots. The spin on everything is deplorable to say the least. But the day will come when they will be saying………….”The Jury was bribed by racerrodig…” or… Xena….or Brown….or….Malisha……or……..

            The voice analysis issue goes right by every one of them when we bring it up. BUT…when they try to squeeze in “….it was Z screaming for help….” like we forgot everything else, I can only scratch my head and say….”…man, you are an ignorant, racist bastard, aren’t you…” (Pardon my French)

            The avoidance of all evidence and the misinterpretation of what they admit to is a joke…..a real laugh riot to say the least, but when the Zidiot the other day proved he could not even understand what the Scheduling Order meant by an Immunity hearing must be filed by April and stated there was one already……well….I rest my case about stupid Zidiots.

          • Xena says:

            … the Zidiot the other day proved he could not even understand what the Scheduling Order meant by an Immunity hearing must be filed by April and stated there was one already……well….I rest my case about stupid Zidiots.

            Racerrodig, I know what you mean. The other day I read a Zidiot who thinks that the Exhibit list for the 10/26 hearing on the docket was the list of those present when attorney Crump interviewed DeeDee by phone. Other Zidiots agreed and then argued that attorney Crump was in violation of the court order that he provide the list by 10/29 and he was late.

            Now, if people don’t understand that 10/26 is earlier than 10/29, neither have knowledge to understand that an Exhibit list consists of exhibits entered at the hearing for that date, what can we expect in terms of serious, mature debate?

          • racerrodig says:

            I saw that. The Zidiot’s believe anything they read, hear, or misinterpret that even favors Z in anyway and the slightest thing they have wrong proves “…he’s innocent…” There was a reprint from something in the Orlando Sentinel yesterday that was 1st published in March and without even looking at the date, they went on a tear as if this error is fact and was discovered yesterday.

            Can they actually be that stupid ?? I still laugh at the Zid who stated an Immunity hearing was scheduled and there was no evidence at all to dispute that. Think I’ll call Lewis Black and give him some dirt on the Zidiot Nation….I’d bet it becomes his best routine.

            As far as your last paragraph…..you mean the dates go up ??
            Hmmmm, I guess the Zidiot’s didn’t get that memo. I love LLMPapa’s video that pokes fun at O’ Mara telling the press that it undisputed that his client had a broken nose. Gotta love the Zidiocy on all of this.

          • Xena says:

            I saw that. The Zidiot’s believe anything they read, hear, or misinterpret that even favors Z in anyway and the slightest thing they have wrong proves “…he’s innocent…”

            Racerrodig, as LLMPapa has reminded us in his vids, “You can’t teach stupid.” The supposed tweets or FB comments they used to say that Trayvon’s handle was “No_Limit_Nigga” are actually dated back in January 2012 by people saying how much they miss that person. Trayvon was not killed until 2/26/12. Dates mean nothing to the Zimmerthugs.

          • racerrodig@aol.com says:

            Exactly….That was a rapper as I recall in MA and I saw where he went public telling the Zidiots to stop using his images as Trayvon Martin, who was murdered. The Zidiots used another Trayvon Martin that one of them found and you can tell it is not the same Trayvon by the width of his nose and the tattoo’s.

            Of course, these things don’t matter to a Zidiot, it’s part of the Zidiot Nation Charter.

  32. Malisha says:

    Well, at least better that his bills are paid by folks who WANT to support him rather than by all the taxpayers, 75% of whom do NOT want to support him.

    • Jun says:

      how’d you get the 75% number?

      • Xena says:

        Yeah. More like 99.9999 percent who don’t want to support him. Seeing that he only had 242 “likes” on his FB page, that’s not much support considering the population of America. Probably 2 out of the 242 reside in Florida. Some of the treeslum folks reside in Washington state, Kentucky, Arkansas, and a few on Yahoo comments are in Arizona, Indiana, and North Carolina.

      • Jun says:

        I did the math, and if we were going by facebook numbers, the percentage is around 0.1% to 5% that root for Zimmerman. I take into account that a lot of Zimmerthugs have about 50 accounts each or whatever all over the internet, due to the fact a majority of them write racist, hateful, angry, violent, disrespectful, cold blooded statements and routinely stalk and harass others, hence them generally getting booted off of social communities online. But if you take into account the petition that irish dude made on change.org and the marches and potentially people who are not online, the numbers for George are slimmer I believe but I have no clue. I dont know how real the polls are.

      • Xena says:

        @Jun.

        I take into account that a lot of Zimmerthugs have about 50 accounts each or whatever all over the internet,

        Yahoo comments is one of those venues that allows for thumbs up and down. The Zimmerthugs don’t play fair. In April, there might be 3 thumbs up or down at the most for comments. It takes about 9 thumbs down to hide a comment, and around May, the Zimmerthugs began hiding pro-Trayvon comments. Someone began hiding comments made by the Zimmerthugs, and along came one of them with at least 35 different accounts and he openly brags about it.

        On wordpress, unless the administrator requires those posting comments to be registered with wordpress, they can use fake email addresses and change their handle as many times as they use the fake email addresses. I know one treeslummer posted comments to my blog from the same IP address using fake email addresses, and the handles she used are all posted on the treeslum. She even posts comments to her comments using different handles. LOL.

      • Rachael says:

        Please please no, not in Washingtom state 😦

      • ladystclaire says:

        I just don’t understand how these sites can allow these people to post some of the comments that they do. I haven’t seen the other sites such as Yahoo and I definitely don’t venture into the Conservative dog house. I have blogged on the HP and, even though they haven’t used the “N” word there, they are still pretty vile over there. now YouTube is a horse of a different color. they don’t mind allowing the use of that word at all. I don’t think freedom of speech should cover that word being used at anytime. it’s really hard being an African American in this country, especially since we never asked to come here. it’s so hard. SMH

        • Xena says:

          I have blogged on the HP and, even though they haven’t used the “N” word there, they are still pretty vile over there.

          It is because they are afraid of equality. Their most recent conspiracy theory that GZ was arrested due to racism by Blacks is because they are afraid of equality. When attorney Crump hit the media with the story, Rev. Sharpton presented the story on his MSNBC program, and peaceful marches were organized, racial bigots see that as Blacks having too much power.

          The racist bigots, in their fear that Blacks have too much power, avoid addressing an important detail about this matter; i.e., that the SPD refused to cooperate with Trayvon’s parents and release the police reports and recordings of the 911 calls. Had the SPD at least done that much, it would have given the appearance that they believed, and stood by, their decision not to arrest GZ. The SPD effectively conveyed that their word was good enough and the parents of the dead teen had no right to know how they came to their conclusion not to arrest GZ.

          It took all that Trayvon’s parents did, and all the people involved, to force the SPD to release information that effectively, shocked the world. There is no way anyone can listen to GZ’s NEN call with the profanity, name calling, and his taking of unofficial authority to follow Trayvon after Trayvon ran from him, and not come to the logical conclusion that GZ is the cause and effect of his own problems thereafter and should have been arrested.

      • Jun says:

        The only proof positive I see in how the case has turned out is that Corey was fairly thorough with her team and they have a lot of evidence against Zimmerthug. Nelson already stated she would do her darndest to get an impartial jury on. I doubt a judge or jury is going to believe Zimmerthug over everyone else. The fact of the matter is Zimmerthug gave away the biggest evidence against himself, which is his NEN phone call to police. His statement also makes him look like an idiot because that car circling disappearing act and T intersection address nonsense is ridiculous, especially since witnesses can give the movements better and a few witnesses have stated that they were moving north up the back pathway toward the T intersection. Add that with the screaming and the forensics, I doubt Zimmerman and Omara’s conspiracy Conservative Tinfoil Hat nonsense is more believable than the witnesses and the evidence.

      • Xena says:

        Please please no, not in Washingtom state

        Sorry Rachael. That’s the person who uses multiple handles and fake email addresses, and wants the folks at the treeslum to believe that she lives in Florida AND actually attended Friday’s hearing. Of course, she doesn’t point out where she sat in the courtroom.

  33. grahase says:

    Regarding the good Judges decision to deny the gag order. Zimmerman and OMara is using the social media platform to raise funds for Zimmermans defence and living expenses (and Shellies legal issues, lest we forget). Had she gagged them, the cash tap would stop flowing. As a result, GZ would become a burden upon the State for those same expenses. I think she had to consider the monetary aspect in her decision. Better he pays his own bills.

    • Jun says:

      I personally feel she kind of ruled on a middle ground

      1) The issue can be raised again and she felt it wasnt appropriate at this time

      2) The judge never stated that Omara didnt say anything questionable, she just said he wasnt overriding and I think Omara gets the idea and is gonna watch his actions and speech from now on

      3) She made sure to address the right to have a public court

      4) She addressed that they will go to various lengths to have a fair impartial jury that will strictly weigh the trial by the evidence and not hearsay (which is 99% of Zimmerman’s evidence)

      She doesnt seem to have taken care of the school records yet, but she agreed to treat the school records with the same privacy as the medical records so Trayvon’s records will be safe I think

      I heard Zimmerman scrubbed his myspace and social profiles LOL

      • TM says:

        Jun, I agree with your assessment of Judge Nelson’s “rule on middle ground, the issue can be raised again and she felt it wasn’t appropriate at this time.”

        In my opinion, Judge Nelson is like a great teacher in the classroom where students are going to have to measure up, if they expect to get a passing grade. Love it!!

  34. Malisha says:

    I don’t believe George is off his meds; I think he is on heavy duty meds. I doubt that he is on adderall, though. Maybe thorazine, maybe abilify, xanax, valium, lithium.

    • Dennis says:

      Good one. He may have been smoking a Jeffrey too.

      • Malisha says:

        I do have an observation to make about George’s attention issues, though. I noticed, re-listening to all his interviews, where he is answering questions, that he does a very strange, very not-so-smart, very immature sounding thing when he is questioned. He answers the question as if it, that one question, is all that needs to be answered to make the overall impression that he desires. So they ask him if, when he was punched, he fell down right away. He thinks, “I was hurt very bad and my nose was broken and it was all undeserved and it was all wrong and bad so,” and he answers, “Yes ma’am, I fell down right away.” He thinks, “I have taken care of this issue. Now, since I fell down right away, she sees undeniably that I was hurt very bad and my nose was broken and it was all undeserved and it was all wrong and bad.” He does NOT think, “well, what would I have done if punched in the nose right there at that place, in view of the fact that I shot the guy 40 feet beyond that point,” because he is not paying attention to the big picture, to giving a coherent story that is not just a string of little “poor me” sound bytes; he is paying attention to creating in the questioner, at that very moment, an impression he thinks he can convey by saying any old thing.

        He cannot pay attention to the whole situation even to make up a story that might seem halfway possible. As LLMPapa says, “You can’t fix stupid.” But it’s more than that. You can’t drain the arrogance out of George and make him pay attention to something larger than how he feels at a given momentary point in time when he thinks he can manipulate the person he needs to get what he wants.

        So he’s an inefficient liar.

        • jm says:

          What is amazing about GZ’s patterns of speech/behavior is he can be the “yes maam/no sir” subservient guy or the smirking self-assured Hannity interview guy or the gangsta-talking datniggytb guy on his MySpace and now he appears to be the drugged fat guy with nothing to say.

          Who is the real GZ? (I prefer drugged fat guy with nothing to say.)

      • Jun says:

        The Arab American dude George worked with, as well as the management gave a good insight into George in that he is really phony and will put on an act for you when he doesnt want to get punished for doing something wrong and is a smile in your face stab you in the back kind of guy. Omara is going to open that door so we will be meeting George Zimmerman the sociopath!

        • Xena says:

          Omara is going to open that door so we will be meeting George Zimmerman the sociopath!

          That’s pretty obvious from his NEN call and MySpace comments. GZ talked like a gangster thug. When it came to his media presence, it changed to “yessir. nosir.” He sure didn’t give dispatch that type of respect. “Are you following him?” “Yeah.”

          Something that has bothered me, but I can’t put my finger on it. When GZ was giving directions, he sounded condescending as though it was Sean’s fault that GZ could not give directions. It was almost as though he wanted to frustrate Sean to the point of having Sean tell him, “You capture the guy and bring him to the police station.”

      • Jun says:

        I heard George tried to scrub his myspace

        The only feeling I got from George is he was targeting the kid on the NEN call

    • rayvenwolf says:

      Maybe SheLie raided her mother’s supply.

  35. TM says:

    Xena re: @8:04pm Also, apparently George Zimmerman doesn’t like young black males!! I wonder what kind of stalking thoughts he has going on in his head as he sits there. As said before, I agree he is medicated heavily and will continue to be brought to court that way, so when the trial starts they will claim he was not on needed medications February 26, 2012.

    • Xena says:

      As said before, I agree he is medicated heavily and will continue to be brought to court that way, so when the trial starts they will claim he was not on needed medications February 26, 2012.

      Too bad, because MOM only wanted 30 days of GZ’s medical records before and after 2/26/12 to be released to the State. If his “needed meds” that he didn’t get happened before January 26, 2012, he is SOL with that defense.

      • Brown says:

        I have a question maybe you can clarify for me. When the state requested the medical records for Altamonte Medical services, did that include any and other medical practices that he may have gone to besides that one? I know orders from the court have to specific just like a search warrant if they are looking for something specific.

        • Xena says:

          I have a question maybe you can clarify for me. When the state requested the medical records for Altamonte Medical services, did that include any and other medical practices that he may have gone to besides that one?

          As far as I know, the State only requested the records from Altamonte Medical Services. The Credit Union’s statement shows several debit card transactions at another clinic in small amounts that might be medications, made while GZ lived with the Ostermans. Or it may have been something for ShelLIE. I wish that the State had requested those records too, but since they were in April, it would have extended over the 30 days.

          • jm says:

            Xena says: “I wish that the State had requested those records too, but since they were in April, it would have extended over the 30 days.”

            That is a big problem in that the limitations set by the judge aren’t realistic and the state did not argue for more medical records and psych records as well. They should have known about records that may have been relevant in April for the same reason you know about them. Also on February 27, it was suggested GZ see his psych and RZ, Jr said GZ had post traumatic stress disorder (did MOM say this also?) Why weren’t those psych records asked for by the prosecution?

          • Xena says:

            Also on February 27, it was suggested GZ see his psych and RZ, Jr said GZ had post traumatic stress disorder (did MOM say this also?) Why weren’t those psych records asked for by the prosecution?

            That’s a defense matter. If MOM wants to raise that in GZ’s defense, then it’s up to him to present supporting proof. GZ’s depraved mind is proven by his actions on 2/26/12. If GZ wants to blame it on his mental health issues, then he has to provide that evidence — which is highly unlikely to benefit him unless MOM changes his plea to not guilty by reason of insanity.

          • Brown says:

            Thanks for the reply.

  36. grahase says:

    Scheduling Order –

  37. grahase says:

    Order Denying States 2nd Motion for Gag Order –

  38. Malcolm Jones says:

    I’ve been reading the comments on this blog since this case began. Tonight will be the very first time that I’ve actually made a comment. I think that this site is great because it gives the Trayvon Martin supporters an avenue to look at the evidence in this case in a constructive manner and more importantly, allows people with a rational since of intelligence to be able to determine that George Zimmerman is obviously guilty of killing this kid in cold blood. I’m starting to feel that with this new judge things are starting to head in the wrong direction. It could just be me but it just seems as though she’s trying to give the Defense and George Zimmerman every opportunity and chance to try and prove a self defense claim. For her to deny the Gag order speaks volumes. Also, to allow the defense to have access to Trayvon’s Facebook and Tweeter account without any restrictions is mind-blowing. Not only that, but to also allow them to have access to his girlfriend’s records as well pretty much makes me think that she’s allowing the Defense the opportunity to attack very critical evidence and witnesses that the Prosecution would have at their disposal to help convict this scumbag. What she’s allowing them to do is the same difference as if there were two players who were involved in a high stacks poker game but one player gets to see what the other player is being dealt before that other player even gets the cards. This is BS!!! It’s painfully clear that this judge is, in my opinion, for George Zimmerman and the defense. There is no logically reason for her to allow them access to Trayvon’s and his girlfriend’s social media records. The fact that she also allowed them to have unlimited access but at the same time restricted the prosecution to only have certain information of George Zimmerman’s medical records only after she’s looked at them first is added insult to injury. Today, she has clearly solidified my assumption that she is going to see to it that the state has no legs to stand on in order to prosecute this punk! I mean come on! She even insulted their intelligence by only turning over medical records of the night in question that relates to his so called injuries that he sustained in the altercation with Trayvon. WTH!! The prosecution already had that information! Again, perhaps it’s just me but I’m getting an uneasy feeling about this judge. Their basically going through the pockets of a seventeen year old dead child! That’s disgusting. Who does that! This child was killed by a stranger in the night and she’s allowing them the opportunity to try and paint this kid as the villian? God, can anyone tell me if the prosecution could move to get this judge removed from the case if they felt that she’s being biased towards the state? Also, again, maybe it’s just me but I’ve never trusted someone who has two surnames. Why she chooses to only use the first initial of her birth name, which is “Steinberg,” and then use the full last name “Nelson” is kind of questionable if you ask me. I’m not saying that she’s going to try and help George Zimmerman because his father is Jewish and so is she. I’m just saying that in such a high profile case such as this, all things should be looked at when it comes to picking and choosing a judge to fairly reside over this case. If this judge stays on this case, I have a feeling that once the “Self Defense” hearing comes around, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw this entire case out due to, in her opinion, the state’s lack of evidence. Don’t be surprised. Again, I’m not saying that she’s going to help Zimmerman out because she’s Jewish, so please, I do not want anyone to take my statement the wrong way. Also, could someone confirm or deny a rumor that this judge is going to be replaced by judge Marlene Alva in January. There’s a rumor going around that this judge will take over the case.

  39. Malisha says:

    I am now thinking that the “missing piece” that makes both the prosecution and defense act in a way we cannot really understand is that both of them are really still standing on a platform NEITHER of them wants to collapse under them. That platform is the assumption that this event that happened was just an event that arose that night, sui generis, either from George Zimmerman’s criminality (prosecution’s version) or from Trayvon Martin’s criminality (O’Mara’s version). (I don’t call the latter “Zimmerman’s version” because his version is delusional and involves god’s plan.)

    What I think is the actual situation is that it did not arise that night; it did not happen because Trayvon Martin was in the wrong place at the wrong time and it did not arise because one weirdo wacko lying psychologically uncompensated racist half-man chose to pretend he was a little hero. In my book it arose because an inadequate man had a plan and other inadequate men and his inadequate wife pumped him all up about that plan and he thought he could pull it off but he couldn’t, and he killed somebody trying. I think George meant to go out and bring in a criminal that night. Just some fucking punk, whichever one happened to be handy. None appeared so he screwed up and killed an innocent kid trying to do the impossible (trying to deliver “the suspect” when Trayvon Martin was not a suspect at all). The police are guilty of this because they were warned. They DO have a duty to protect once they are warned about life-threatening situations. That’s my take on it.

    Judge Nelson doesn’t read the news or the Internet about this case; she has no way of even imagining this happened. All she will ever hear is what is placed before her in court because she’s a straight-shooter and she’s responsible. So if there is not a full trial, at which O’Mara tries to introduce his foolishness about a conspiracy to improperly charge his client with a crime he committed, then Judge Nelson will only find out about any of this if and when the FBI decides to reveal it and/or act upon it.

    That’s still my guess.

    • Jun says:

      I’d laugh if Nelson looks at what is presented and decides it was improperly charged and Zimmerman should have gotten first degree murder, aggravated stalking, and false imprisonment after Omara is done presenting his Conservative Tinfoil Hat conspiracy theory (lets be real, he did not come up with that crap)

    • grahase says:

      Malisha – I agree with you and Judge Nelson has no idea about what is going on in the social media world it seems. She is a referee for the upcoming lawyer debate in essence. I am sure, from her perspective, that this is a standard case and certainly not the first of its kind.

    • gbrbsb says:

      I so agree with your scenario and GZ and Co´s overall plan to create a hero, Malisha, except that IMO in GZ´s vacuous mind a punk did appear that night who ticked all the boxes he had listed as sufficient for him to consider them suspect and up to no good, i.e. young, black, male… and to boot hooded !

      I don´t know how works in the US but I hope Judge Nelson is able to take on some input from outside. At least some judges do as I recall Judge Michael Pastor´s heart felt exclamation “Yikes, talk about blaming the victim!”, uttered while sentencing Conrad Murray in reference to a documentary Murray had made before closings and verdict, in which Murray had denied any error, misjudgement, medical malpractice, or responsibility whatsoever in MJ´s death.

    • gbrbsb says:

      Forgot, Murray also said he felt no remorse!

    • Dennis says:

      I would pay money to see Zimmerman preach his “God’s Plan” BS to a predominately Christian jury.

  40. I’d just like to thank the masses, but especially GZ and entire zimmerman family and friends for all the help and support you’ve personally provided the prosecution! I’m enthusiastically awaiting your next public statement.
    **Keep up the good work!

    • gbrbsb says:

      “I’m enthusiastically awaiting your next public statement.”

      Me too so please make it quick!

    • ladystclaire says:

      You go girl! yes, let him keep opening his pie hole and letting it all hang out. he wanted to kill Trayvon and, he did just that. now he is lying like (as my late mother use to say) a cross tie in order to get out of being held accountable for what he has done. if he thinks he is going to get away with this, he has got another thought coming.

      • Groans says:

        “Lying like a cross tie? What a hoot! I’m guessing the saying comes from railroad lingo? But maybe I’m way off base! 🙂

    • racerrodig says:

      Yep…..Where’s the “Fan” button. The Zidiots on HuffPo think they are winning big time on all issues. I love when the attack BDLR & Corey for evidence issues. I love it even more when I point out that Moron O’ Mara has not provided anything yet. The silence is as we say “Deafening”

      Let ’em talk….

  41. Malisha says:

    O’Mara is an experienced litigator. He knows that he can’t change the evidence by carrying on about the “conspiracy to charge George Zimmerman with a crime when he shouldentof-been-noways-nohow.” He’s smarter than those who worship Zimmerman over at the Outhouse. He also knows that the prosecution feels confident of their case because the evidence is pretty damning. So he’s doing whatever it is he does until it’s time to lose the SYG hearing and then plead George out to something. His theatrics are designed to be able to move the plea down. He’s not doing it without both a plan and permission, of a sort, from the prosecution; you can bet on that. They’re moving toward the same point by various means. Judge Nelson, however, is not taking part in the theater and she’s a straight shooter. That’s why she is being very conservative and not seeming to be terribly appalled at any bad behavior. She’s like the parent who won’t listen to the temper tantrum, won’t stop it, but won’t reward it either. That’s the best kind of parent.

    • Jun says:

      I think Omara’s best bet is try to plead down in the end because his conspiracy political nonsense sounds like a bunch of jibberish

      I have said this many times but I feel Omara, West, or Zimmerman will be losing their cool in court and flipping out like the rapist at Nelson’s other trial

      • Xena says:

        I have said this many times but I feel Omara, West, or Zimmerman will be losing their cool in court and flipping out …

        I’ll bet a coupon for delivery pizza anywhere in your area that it will be GZ. He doesn’t like coming to court. He doesn’t like being on an allowance. He doesn’t like that the evidence is against him. He doesn’t like that the judge won’t let West re-argue her orders, and he doesn’t like being on the GPS bracelet.

        Also, it looks as though he doesn’t like staying awake at 1:30 in the afternoon.

        • jm says:

          Xena says: I’ll bet a coupon for delivery pizza anywhere in your area that it will be GZ. He doesn’t like coming to court.”

          LOL Xena, I’ll take your bet. GZ looks heavily medicated and incapable of flipping out. He looks medicated beyond an antidepressant, but rather antipsychotic medications. IMO, the person on defense team who looks most capable of flipping out is West.

          • Xena says:

            He looks medicated beyond an antidepressant, but rather antipsychotic medications.

            I think what we’re seeing are anti-depressant and Adderall withdrawal symptoms. If he doesn’t have the money, transportation and security to go to the doctor, chances are that he’s not medicated at all. If he couldn’t control his impulses while on medication —- well.

            IMO, the person on defense team who looks most capable of flipping out is West.

            Ahhh. That’s just a muscle flex showboating for GZ so GZ won’t choke him when they meet at the office. 🙂

          • jm says:

            Xena says: I think what we’re seeing are anti-depressant and Adderall withdrawal symptoms. If he doesn’t have the money, transportation and security to go to the doctor, chances are that he’s not medicated at all. If he couldn’t control his impulses while on medication —- well.”

            To me it is in MOM’s best interest to keep GZ medicated and with the medication he ensures his client’s mouth is shut. I don’t think MOM would let GZ go through withdrawal and chance another “incident”. At best, I believe MOM realizes GZ is borderline crazy and has led him to a doctor who prescribed heavy-duty medications to prevent another Sean Hannity interview.

            Honestly, to me GZ doesn’t look like a withdrawal victim, just heavily medicated beyond his usual Adderall and tamazepam prescriptions. I have seen patients on medications for mental illness and GZ’s face and actions are consistent with those people who have been heavily medicated rather than patients going through withdrawal symptoms.

          • Xena says:

            I have seen patients on medications for mental illness and GZ’s face and actions are consistent with those people who have been heavily medicated rather than patients going through withdrawal symptoms.

            I’ll’ take your word for it. The eye rolling is a sign of anti-depressant withdrawal. It seemed to be worst this past Friday than previously. That is why I was thinking anti-depressant withdrawal.

            At the last two hearings, GZ reminded me of James Holmes. I can’t understand anyone being charged with any degree of murder fighting sleep in the courtroom unless it’s caused by being heavily medicated.

        • cielo62 says:

          Even I’m too smart to take that bet! But I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see GZ flip out and get restrained by those burly bailiff boys!

          • racerrodig says:

            I can see him getting that look on his face…..that far away stare then BOOM !! all hell breaks loose and the Judge pulls her pistol and points it at him !!

            Watch the last court scene in “Primal Fear” BDLR starts on Z with something like “….you just couldn’t let that a hole get away now could ya……….”

            It’s coming…………because “He can’t handle the truth”

      • Jun says:

        I dont know how well Zimmerman can keep up his howdy doody yes sir yes maam act but I can see him flipping out once confronted with all his contradictions, inconsistencies and lies, and him trying to bully his statement through as evidence and to not be subject to cross

      • Jun says:

        Zimmerman kind of looks like a combination of angry, mad, hateful, pouting, temper tantrum, and ready to cry

        Omara looks stressed the hell out, aged about 20 years since taking this case, has lost control and cant even remember what he says half the time

        Don West looks kind of normal but his tone comes off as pissed off a bit

        the judge looked aloof and ready

        Crump looked like he had his cool

        where is Corey? she was at earlier hearings

        • Xena says:

          Zimmerman kind of looks like a combination of angry, mad, hateful, pouting, temper tantrum, and ready to cry

          And sleepy.

          Omara looks stressed the hell out, aged about 20 years since taking this case,

          And lost his comb Friday morning.

          Don West looks kind of normal but his tone comes off as pissed off a bit the judge

          Well, we can’t really talk about hair loss with West. 🙂

          Crump looked like he had his cool

          His demeanor and speech demonstrated confidence.

          where is Corey? she was at earlier hearings

          She has Bernie and Guy representing the State. We might see her at the immunity hearing and trial.

      • Groans says:

        I feel like I caught a glimpse along those lines on MOM’s face when Judge Nelson – at the end of Friday’s hearing – pulled out her schedule to nail down more deadlines. BDLR was, like: OK, whatever, it works for me. But MOM really, REALLY did not want to be pinned down to any more deadlines.

        • Xena says:

          Judge Nelson wrote in her scheduling order that no trial continuances will be granted for failure to adhere to the motions schedule. So, if MOM misses the date to file petition for immunity, he is SOL.

      • grahase says:

        BDLR is too mumbly, but I do like the other lawyer. Very neat, speaks clearly, totally professional. MOM whines. But, West is passionate and speaks so that people listen. BDLR is a fast talker and impatient. Personal perceptions should I be chosen for the jury.

        • Brown says:

          agreed on all points.

        • jm says:

          grahase says: ” West is passionate and speaks so that people listen……… MOM whines”

          Not to be adversarial but West seems a little crazy to me and I wanted him to shut up and listen to Judge Nelson when she had to tell him multiple times she made her ruling when he was arguing about Crump. He also looks not to be in the best health.

          MOM does have a certain quality to his voice that is annoying, but sometimes he has a bit of “charm” when speaking to the judge and she seems to respond to his “charm.”

      • looneydoone says:

        jm,
        Haldol ?
        Weight gain is one of it’s side effects, along with eye rolling, and lethargy

        • jm says:

          looneydoone says: “jm, Haldol ? Weight gain is one of it’s side effects, along with eye rolling, and lethargy.”

          Not sure about Haldol, but GZ’s lethargy/bored/sleepy state suggests a stronger drug than antidepressant.

          Don’t know about the eye rolling as a side effect of a drug or just a nervous tic now that GZ is looking at facts in the case and his lies/cover-up are being exposed which means he is going to prison for murder.

      • ladystclaire says:

        I wonder why they have got the “MURDERER” so heavily sedated. I hope it’s because Trayvon is paying him nightly visits to the point that he can’t sleep! he killed this kid and now he’s trying to lie his way out of going to prison where he belongs. it’s really sad to know that some people in this country can support him for what he did. there is one thing for sure though, racism in this country will never be a thing of the past. Trayvon’s race is the only reason that these people can see fit to support the murderer of a innocent child.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Xena LMAO, you have got them all pegged down to a T! I would just see all of them flip out in court and, that goes for Zimmerman’s family as well. I wonder why we never see his wife sitting behind her role model cutie. if she had any sense, she would distance herself from him. I wonder who was the person that sped away from the scene after he shot Trayvon. my bet is that it was Mark Osterman. it had to be him because how could he had gotten there from his home when ShelLie called him. also, there are a lot of people in that complex who heard and saw what went on and, they are ALL lying for Zimmerman.

        • Xena says:

          …I wonder why we never see his wife sitting behind her role model cutie. if she had any sense, she would distance herself from him.

          We actually don’t know whether ShelLIE is still with GZ. Her mom probably needs her after she was arrested for DUI.

          I wonder who was the person that sped away from the scene after he shot Trayvon. my bet is that it was Mark Osterman. …

          Which is going to make the immunity hearing interesting when the State presents the M&I Bank vid. If that is indeed Osterman on the vid, he was leaving the bank around the same time that Trayvon left the 7-Eleven.

          also, there are a lot of people in that complex who heard and saw what went on and, they are ALL lying for Zimmerman.

          IMO, the only person who saw and/or knows more and is not telling it is Jeremy. His wife is on the HOA Board. After the shot when she said “Jeremy, get down” it reasonably conveys that Jeremy had no fear of being shot by a stranger. He wasn’t trying to get out of the way — get to a safe place. He apparently saw the gun and that GZ’s intent was to shoot Trayvon.

      • looneydoone says:

        jm,
        Haldol (Haloperidol) is an anti -psychotic drug commonly used to treat acute psychosis, hallucinations,borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia and other mental conditions

        I agree, he’s not taking antidepressants, and suggest his script has been changed to an anti-psychotic

    • Xena says:

      His theatrics are designed to be able to move the plea down. He’s not doing it without both a plan and permission, of a sort, from the prosecution; you can bet on that.

      You know, I got the same impression. For one, GZ does not look happy. He knows it is coming. Two, Bernie had a certain type of smile on his face when he asked Judge Nelson about setting a time for the self-defense motion, and MOM appeared very nervous committing to that.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO the funny thing is… Not too long ago…

        I remember there was the usual chat from the Zimmerthugs cult, about how weak the case the state has, how there was no evidence that Zimmerman continued chasing and there was no proof that Zimmerman was stalking and targeting Trayvon… That George was not doing anything illegal and it was allowed for him to follow Trayvon…and someone that was chatting for Trayvon told them that if they truly felt that way, to let Omara know to stop delaying and screwing around and put the Zimmerthugs money where their mouth is….

        Looks like the Zimmerthugs cult told Omara whats up and now he a lawyering and speechin on a conspiracy and such, hence the recent quick actions for everything to get going but he dont look ready and George dont look too thrilled about it LMAO

        • Xena says:

          Looks like the Zimmerthugs cult told Omara whats up and now he a lawyering and speechin on a conspiracy and such,

          The Zimmerthugs (I like that title, btw), realized with the release of discovery, that GZ doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of being acquitted. That is why they turned their attention to attorneys Crump and Jackson.

          The more then continue to financially support GZ, the more the FBI has to support that GZ takes money from White Supremacists and other racial bigots. You see, they are not financially supporting GZ and his legal defense team in defending the case in chief. Rather, they are supporting the idea that MOM go after Black attorneys for demanding an investigation rather than the SPD acting as judge and jury.

      • grahase says:

        I was left with the perception of GZ being bored stiff – ready for sleep and disconnected. Came across as being arrogant – like he doesn’t deserve to be there – I am the victim remember. Oh yeah – Post-Traumatic Stress.

      • Xena said…”……that GZ doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of being acquitted.”
        If the state does it’s job well……GZ will be “a snowball IN hell” for the next couple of decades…can’t wait to watch him melt.

        • Xena says:

          If the state does it’s job well……GZ will be “a snowball IN hell” for the next couple of decades…can’t wait to watch him melt.

          For sure. If his demonstrated behavior in court is the same come time for the immunity hearing, he will fall asleep during testimony.

      • sdunn5 says:

        O’Mara hates when Nelson brings out the calendar as if he has not seen this before. Also what exactly does O’Mara keep in his water bottle? The first bond hearing when he had the poster sized affidavit of probable cause, at one point he seemed unsteady on his feet and was gesturing with the water bottle. I was thinking vodka.

    • grahase says:

      Malisha – you always talk about a plea bargain. So, I am wondering if the defense asks for it or the State has to offer the opportunity.

      • Jun says:

        In the movies and TV, usually either party can put the idea through…

      • Xena says:

        At some point, MOM will sit with prosecutors and discuss the evidence. As MOM has made clear, GZ’s only self-defense claim is based on a “possible” broken nose. The State is not likely to start at that point — they are going to start with GZ’s profiling of Trayvon.

        Then MOM asks, “What are you offering?” The State replies, “Life in prison.” MOM counters with, “What about manslaughter, 10 yrs and 5 yrs probation?” The State counters, “Assault with a deadly weapon. Statutory 25 yrs.” MOM then says, “I’ll talk with my client.”

        GZ wants to go for immunity. Then GZ is denied immunity, goes to trial, is found guilty of 2nd degree murder, and sentenced to life.

        It’s all God’s plan.

        • That is a very likely scenario. I just don’t see GZ having enough sense to know when to quit digging. He will insist on NO jail time, and there is NO WAY the prosecution (or the public) will allow that. So it’s off to trial and 25-life for the Zim.

          • racerrodig says:

            So the comment Moron O’ Mara made that it’s undisputed his client had a broken nose is not accurate ?? I’m shocked !!

      • grahase says:

        Xena – I don’t think the case hinges on the broken nose. He could have gotten that by a number of means. IMO, the case hinges on the wrist control, the bullet trajectory, and the amazing contortions performed by GZ to get the clean shot. DNA is a good one too. The nose thing — minor.

        • Xena says:

          Xena – I don’t think the case hinges on the broken nose. He could have gotten that by a number of means. IMO, the case hinges on the wrist control, the bullet trajectory, and the amazing contortions performed by GZ to get the clean shot. DNA is a good one too. The nose thing — minor.

          Yes, from the prosecution’s position. From the defense position however, and according to O’Mara, he is pursuing traditional self-defense on the basis that GZ was pinned down and had a broken nose. MOM is hoping to avoid evidence that GZ stalked and followed, and wants to jump to the altercation. If he does that, he defaults to the State’s charging affidavit that GZ was the aggressor because he stalked and followed. The State will easily prove that and in doing so, GZ was the aggressor.

      • Malisha says:

        All the plea bargains I have ever see have fallen into two categories, unlike television where they miraculously happen in the initial interview between the prosecutor and some gung-ho defense attorney who just KNOWS the case is unwinnable.

        1. The public defender just plain dictates to the defendant what the plea will be and because the defendant has no money, he has to accept it.

        2. A private lawyer has a relationship with the prosecutor on the case anyway. The private lawyer keeps telling the defendant what they can get and what they can’t get. The prosecutor keeps bringing up something that is not necessarily even relevant. The private lawyer will use that little whatever-it-is (possibly quite irrelevant and sometimes even part of a charge that has already been dropped) to keep the defendants’ friends and supporters and family from advising the defendant to reject the defense lawyer’s proposed plea bargain. Finally the defense lawyer reluctantly agrees to argue with the prosecution for something lower and they go into a meeting without the defendant present. Wow, behold and begrateful, the lawyer comes out with something slightly better than he previously said was “the best he could get.” Who offers it? Nobody “offers” it. They have been talking about it since Day-1. Corey and O’Mara discussed it, you can BET, before Corey even came out and announced her charges. It would not have helped O’Mara’s case any if he admitted to any of that but that’s my cynical take on the whole thing.

    • Dennis says:

      I doubt there will ever be a plea deal in this case. If Zimmerman is convicted, he has to serve a minimum of 25 years under the 10-20-Life law. The judge will have no choice but to sentence him to at least 25 years all the way up to possible life in prison.

      • rayvenwolf says:

        The main reason is that GZ will never agree to it. He’s so sure he can still win this.

        • jm says:

          rayvenwolf says: “The main reason is that GZ will never agree to it. He’s so sure he can still win this.”

          I could be wrong, but GZ no longer looks so sure he is going to win. There is a chance he can win, but IMHO it would involve more corruption and/or an extremely unintelligent jury.

      • Dennis says:

        @jm

        I think the Marissa Alexander case shows how jurors feel about self-defense. They convicted her for firing a warning shot that did not hurt anybody. If Zimmerman gets the same type of jury, he is literally screwed.

        I hope Alexander gets a new trial. The judge claimed she could have retreated but SYG says you have no duty to retreat. Sometimes I wonder if these idiot judges even read the laws before ruling on them. I hope that judge does not get re-elected and Alexander sues that court into the ground.

        • Xena says:

          I hope Alexander gets a new trial. The judge claimed she could have retreated but SYG says you have no duty to retreat. Sometimes I wonder if these idiot judges even read the laws before ruling on them. I hope that judge does not get re-elected and Alexander sues that court into the ground.

          Dennis, that’s because Alexander was in no danger when she fired the gun. Also, self-defense is not firing a “warning shot.” IIRC, Corey offered Alexander a plea of 3 yrs or it may have been 5 yrs.

          IMO, the same violation Alexander was convicted of applies to GZ because he stated that he did not know whether he actually shot Trayvon. Based on that story, rather than be concerned for where his bullet went, GZ lunged on Trayvon’s back. GZ fired his gun in a residential area. Many witnesses gave statements that they hid in the upstairs area of their house because they heard the gunshot.

          Do I feel sorry that Alexander was statutorily sentenced to 20 yrs when no harm was caused to anyone? Sure. The judge’s decision in her case actually patterns that of the judge in another case involving a minor who stabbed a bully killing him. In granting him immunity, the judge said that the statute does not require the person to retreat, but the boy tried to do so before using deadly force to stop the attack on him. It is my impression that those actions address the credibility of the defendant.

      • Dennis says:

        @jm

        I don’t think the prosecution will budge on the 2nd Degree Murder charge. They could offer him a chance to get paroled someday, but that is about it. Zimmerman is a liar and has shown no remorse so I believe the prosecution would recommend life in prison if he is convicted.

        • jm says:

          Dennis says: “Zimmerman is a liar and has shown no remorse so I believe the prosecution would recommend life in prison if he is convicted.”

          The no remorse issue is the most problematic to me. If I thought someone was up to no good and I found out later the person I suspected (and killed) was actually just a typical teen kid with no record who was visiting with a person in the neighborhood, I could never forgive myself for having killed him. The Hannity interview showed the true colors of GZ and I hope it comes into play during the trial. The no remorse is one of the reasons I despise his family members and friends trying to defend GZ at the expense of Trayvon’s reputation and further hurting Trayvon’s family when they know Trayvon did nothing wrong and was profiled and killed by GZ..

          Under the circumstances, if GZ walks, I have no faith in the justice system.

      • Dennis says:

        @Xena

        Alexander’s husband beat her in the house, out of fear she got past him and into the garage but the garage was broken. She grabbed the gun and went back inside and fired a warning shot into the air. She had a legal right to be in her home and she fired a warning shot, not at anyone.

        “Judge Elizabeth Senterfitt, a former prosecutor, said Alexander could have found some other way to flee the home. This despite the fact that the Stand Your Ground law states that those who feel threatened have no duty to retreat.”

        Corrupt prosecutor Angela Corey states that Alexander tried to kill her husband, yet the charge does not reflect that.
        “Aggravated Assault…without intent to kill.”

        A person as incompetent as this woman is should not be handling the Zimmerman case.

        • Xena says:

          @Xena Alexander’s husband beat her in the house, out of fear she got past him and into the garage but the garage was broken. She grabbed the gun and went back inside and fired a warning shot into the air. She had a legal right to be in her home and she fired a warning shot, not at anyone.

          Dennis, I suppose we come to a point of what source to believe because I read that Alexander said she went into the garage and realized she forgot her keys, then came back into the house with the gun.

          The condition that did not meet SYG is that even if she had been beaten previously, she was not being beaten when she came back into the house.

          See that as it applies to GZ. He could not kill Trayvon for any injuries previously inflicted, and that were not being inflicted placing him under reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death.

          Believe me, I have great compassion for Alexander, but when the facts are applied to the law, she was not standing her ground when she fired the gun. A jury decided her case — not Corey.

        • I think that it would have been best for all involved if she HAD killed the abusive SOB.

      • Dennis says:

        @Xena

        I am disturbed over the case where the boy stabbed the bully to death. The Stand Your Ground law should not exist. If it was self-defense, argue it before a jury. Why are we now letting children with concealed weapons get away with murder for stabbing a bully 12 times to death? I don’t recall seeing any bruises or cuts that would even come close to justifying murder. Getting punched by someone isn’t justification for murder.

        • Xena says:

          @Xena I am disturbed over the case where the boy stabbed the bully to death.

          What disturbed me about that case is that no adult intervened before it got that far. Children have come to a point where they don’t involve teachers and parents in bullying because doing so often results in the bullies doing more harmful things once they are exposed. There is a dysfunctional mindset in bullies that enjoys causing others emotional pain.

          Also, I do not believe that self-defense must involve the use of deadly force.

          The Stand Your Ground law should not exist.

          With that, I can agree totally. Cops should never, ever, rely on the statements of the person claiming justifiable homicide and just let them go — have a good day — oh, and here’s your gun back.

        • Forgive me if I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for the dead bully. For a child, bullying takes on an entirely different aspect. Living in fear from a bully that no one will protect you from is much like being stuck in an abusive relationship. If no adults would step in and stop the bullying, then he felt that his life depended on defending himself. I don’t see why they even applied an ADULT standard on a child’s method of thinking. The hitting part is only a PART of the ongoing humiliation heaped on a kid in school. There’s the constant taunting, small hits and “lost” items. No, the child was 100% justified in defending himself in the only he could. The blame falls on the adults that did nothing to stop the bullying.

          • racerrodig says:

            I have no sympathy for bullies at all. When I was a kid from about 9 or so up to about 14, every punk in town picked a fight with me because their father, brother, cousin, son, sister, mother, friend or whatever got arrested for something and my dad was the arresting officer.

            What did I have to do with it ?? So, dad being the good dad he was taught me how to fight using methods that inflict as much pain as possible in a quick and easy fashion. I never killed anyone, but as my friends would always say…..the year is still young.

            The point is, most bullying is for a stupid “I’ll inflict my will on you for no actual reason”….reason. That sounds exactly like Z !!!

      • Jun says:

        Alexander brought it on herself. The fact remains that the trajectory was in the direction of the father and the kids. The riccochet is dangerous too. She also could have left the house. Instead she ran inside with a gun and intent. I think self defense is good but there is too many people abusing the law, thinking they can get away with killing and shooting and are convicted.

      • Dennis says:

        @xena

        Agreed. The boy who stabbed the bully was carrying a concealed weapon, which is a crime.

        (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity

        Did the judge and jury somehow miss this very important provision in the law? I’m not sure why anyone even writes these things if the idiot judges, prosecutors, and lawyers can’t even follow them.

      • Dennis says:

        @xena

        I was just pointing out that Angela Corey is liar just like Zimmerman. Her statements regarding Alexander were unproven and unprofessional. She has lost my respect, even if she gets wins the Zimmerman case.

        • Xena says:

          @xena I was just pointing out that Angela Corey is liar just like Zimmerman. Her statements regarding Alexander were unproven and unprofessional. She has lost my respect, even if she gets wins the Zimmerman case.

          I only knew the results of trial and did not follow that case. Once a jury has spoken, I tend to withhold opinions on the performance of legal counsel; defense and prosecution. If there is an appellable issue, I say go for it. Maybe that is the way of protecting my emotions and stress level after working in courts and the law. Laws legislated to protect some victimize others. That’s how I see SYG.

  42. Jun says:

    LMAO I heard the Zimmerthugs are reporting what we post to Omara. I guess Omara knows about him being watched by the FBI LMAO

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      Who besides the defendant’s wife and immediate family has anything at stake in his defense? I mean, really.

      • Jun says:

        Omara has his sanity and health at stake because the dude has changed a lot since he took the case. He looks mad, stressed out, devilish, and he has so much wrinkles on his face. I am actually worried the dude might have a heart attack

        • jm says:

          Jun says: “Omara has his sanity and health at stake because the dude has changed a lot since he took the case. ”

          One thing that stands out to me is that MOM used to smile and engage GZ in conversation during hearings. Now he barely looks at GZ and doesn’t hang around till he is escorted out of court.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO I guess the cash cow he thought it was, did not turn out well

        He was smiles when the money was coming in… money is one of the best cures for stress… but thats a no go now and George’s supporters dont want him to have the money LMAO

    • Xena says:

      LMAO I heard the Zimmerthugs are reporting what we post to Omara. I guess Omara knows about him being watched by the FBI LMAO

      Oh goodie!!! So he knows that others know he is taking legal advice from the treeslummers.

  43. ladystclaire says:

    I hope this is a good move by Judge Nelson and, I feel that a muzzle should have been put on O’Mara a long time ago. he gets away with talking about this case on two web sites that he set up and, Judge Stan Strickland got pulled off of the Casey Anthony trial for basically the same thing, in his communication with Marinade Dave. if O’Mara wants to continue talking that’s fine but, he should be made to take down his social network sites.

  44. I question everything happening… I feel she is being controlled. We will have to see… Following….

    • ladystclaire says:

      I had a feeling something was up with this Judge when she allowed the defense to have access to Trayvon’s school records. I’ve got an uneasy feeling about this one.

      • Jun says:

        The defense only gets the records after the judge goes thru them and she decides if there is anything relevant. There isnt anything relevant.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, thanks and, I really don’t understand how anything in his school records will be helpful to O’Mara. he is going after the Credibility of a child, in order to save the murderer of said child. how pathetic and down right disgraceful of him.

      • Jun says:

        I know it sounds bad, but I was hoping for one teeny tidbit on Trayvon so it could open the door on Zimmerman the state can go open season on him with his history, plus Omara would look like an asshole at trial

      • Looolooo says:

        @Jun…….why is it that BDLR hasn’t/can’t request GZ’s school, work history, etc.? Why the open season on Trayvon’s character, while baby Heuy’s is a virtual Fort Knox?! Is it likely that the state will gain access to GZ’s sordid past? >:-/

      • Jun says:

        They already have George’s history LOL they can go even deeper and go into his childhood records from kindergarten on up, but they dont need to, and I think they have more ethics than Omara

  45. ladystclaire says:

    Glad to see you back professor and, that you are alright. GOD bless you professor.

  46. gsype says:

    Professor I pray all is well with you. I missed you!

  47. Xena says:

    Good to see you Professor. You had us worried.

  48. Malisha says:

    Yes, it’s fine, and furthermore, we now know that Professor Leatherman is on the case! Big relief! 😀

  49. Jun says:

    Maybe its still a good thing… I mean Omara gets the message to watch what he says because the judge said it wasnt overriding, which to me sounds like she means he is doing it somewhat, but on the line of crossing over. Besides, she gave options on what will happen to make sure a proper jury is seated on the order. I feel its fine.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I believe she sees that the defense just digs GZs grave a little deeper each time they pitch a little legal fit.

      • racerrodig says:

        I could not agree more !! We all know the more any of them talk, the deeper the hole gets. He’s about 200 feet down now. This just gives Moron O’ Mara less to work with after the conviction, plain & simple.

  50. Brandi Kansas City says:

    is she affraid of being thrown off?

    • grahase says:

      Don’t gag em! Let them keep begging for money from the supporters. GZ has nothing else to do right now. At least the state doesn’t have to pay for the fool. Keep working on it GZ and MOM.

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