Zimmerman Open Thread: Thursday, October 11, 2012

Per Malisha’s request, this thread is for comments and discussion of the Zimmerman case.

159 Responses to Zimmerman Open Thread: Thursday, October 11, 2012

  1. Malisha says:

    Roderick, Fed-Up, the ideas about possible other unlawful activities of George and possible involvement by Taaffe and so forth seem to me to be somewhat related to, analogous to, a phenomenon I have seen in a completely different kind of situation.

    INTRO: Mothers whose children have been taken away in custody battles where the children made allegations of sexual abuse against their fathers or relatives on their fathers’ side of the family, and then the mother is judged to be vindictive and brain-washing, so the kids are taken from her and she’s declared unfit. Unfortunately this happens. I have met many of these mothers, and the way the courts act has the capacity to “drive them mad” because it is so assbackwards and unjust. The mom can go to jail for NOT protecting her kids from sexual abuse, but she can lose them if she tries to protect them — all depending on who’s a good lawyer and who’s a bad judge!

    The reason your questions about possible “other bad acts” by George and his friends brought this up to me is that a few of the mothers I have met who have been subjected to this kind of horrible treatment have then gone on to believe that the perps were not just child-abusers but also Satanists, Mafia hit men, and assorted criminals of other sorts. Why? (a) Because it is so bizarre to imagine that a person who would do something as horrible as they have done might be generally innocent of other criminal behavior and (b) because liars and abusers (both of which I believe George is) are so often every kind of bad in other ways.

    Court-abused and system-abused mothers who were quite religious were the most vulnerable to this kind of thinking, imagining that nobody could molest a child and then take the child from her mother and not be so evil as to be guilty of every other imaginable sin.

    The problem with these kinds of suppositions and guesses is that since there is no proof of any of them, they make it look like the REAL crimes REALLY committed by these same perps might have been exaggerated or imagined. So I try to stay VERY conservative in guessing what a person has done when there is a matter of legal responsibility involved.

    I think George lied about “mentoring.”
    I think he did not fence stolen goods because if he had an ongoing business doing that, he would not have had high credit card debt that he couldn’t pay down.

    I think he lied about the domestic violence with his prior fiancee.
    I think he did not conduct a violent business in the ghetto because if he had, he would not have had to make idiot-reports to 911 for over a year to try to get off on his own “big night” when he could bring in a “suspect” all on his own.

    I think he lied about being concerned about his wife’s safety and some dog.
    I think he did not have to become a “made man” by killing a Black kid, because for him to be a “made man” what he had to do was get a job as a cop, and he couldn’t do that. .

    I don’t think George is worse or more complicated than he looks. He looks like a failure,, an angry, useless, impotent, resentful black sheep of the family who wanted to believe that he could be superior by making Trayvon Martin inferior, and who, when that didn’t work, had to kill his prey and has not yet figured out how to make that come out to his advantage..

    • jm says:

      “He looks like a failure,, an angry, useless, impotent, resentful black sheep of the family who wanted to believe that he could be superior by making Trayvon Martin inferior, and who, when that didn’t work, had to kill his prey and has not yet figured out how to make that come out to his advantage..”

      Look at GZ website. Sadly, he has figured out how to live a nice life without working, become a “superstar” of sorts and has masses to thank for their support, financial and otherwise.

    • Xena says:

      @Malisha.

      I think he did not fence stolen goods because if he had an ongoing business doing that, he would not have had high credit card debt that he couldn’t pay down.

      I agree with you in part about the “attitude.” However, GZ could have fenced stolen goods and still been poor. My reason for considering that is because in July 2011, he received $18K in a civil case. He didn’t tell his attorney neither paid legal fees from the money. The attorney advised the court in April 2012 — the Friday before GZ launched his website.

      When GZ received that money and thereafter until he killed Trayvon, GZ worked full-time. Based on the Credit Union’s Statements, GZ had no money in his account and actually had returned checks before he borrowed money from his parents in the amount of $3,500. (He borrowed that amount because it’s the same amount that he subsequently paid to them after receiving donations.

      Out of that $3,500, GZ spent $135 at the U.S. Postal Service. He was living with Osterman at the time.

      Considering that he received $18,000 in July 2011, a neighbor’s house was broken into in August 2011, and he used that as an excuse to start NW in September 2011; was working full-time; had only 40 cents in his pocket on 2/2/6/12; was financially broke before March 2012; along with high credit card debt and unpaid bills — it smells of addiction.

      • katieunc says:

        Xena,
        It smells like a sociopath to me. I am a medical professional and the mental aspects of this case fascinate me. I can’t help but profile zimmerman. My grandmother always said it’s called getting a taste of your own medicine. Read the link below and let us profile George. How many of these can we check off that place him into the category of a sociopath…..not really shocking at all.
        I even go so far as to question his Dx of ADHD. Sometimes symptoms are tricky and you must be very careful. Giving ADHD stimulants
        (WHO REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN Dxed WITH A PERSONALITY DISORDER) is like throwing feul on a raging fire. Below is a link for the psychatric bible ( the DSM IV). GEORGE FITS!

  2. grahase says:

    Does anyone know if the person who was escorted from the meeting after the shooting by Bill Lee is on the witness list.

    • Malisha says:

      Grahase, there are two bits of information I have been just DYING to find out more about since the evidence got me curious: (a) Who is the person who was “escorted out of the meeting” on March 1 and what is the whole history of the various (perhaps even MANY) contacts that took place between and among various (and maybe even MANY) residents of RTL and the police before, and after the 2/26/2012 incident, either ABOUT George or BY George. And I don’t just mean George’s NEN and 911 calls. I mean WHO at RTL had any contact whatsoever with the police about George and WHO had contact with the police because George arranged the “contact.”

      And (b) What “private parties” did George work, and who arranged all that and which police officers were involved and where is the woman he allegedly picked up and threw across the room in a rage and who, if anybody, answered for that unlawful and violent conduct and which insurance agency, if any, paid the bills for that woman’s injuries?

  3. SearchingMind says:

    Professor,

    You said:
    “I personally know Jeralyn and I disagree with your opinion that she is emotionally infatuated with George Zimmerman. She is a criminal defense lawyer who believes in the presumption of innocence and she will defend it passionately for any person charged with a crime. I respect her for doing that. I also believe in the presumption of innocence, but I switched to teaching law 8 years ago and I am now retired. I look at Zimmerman’s case from a more detached and objective perspective less committed to emphasizing the presumption of innocence and more committed to using the case as a teaching device about our criminal justice system. I believe she has permitted her bias to compromise her objectivity and I strongly disagree with her opinions and conclusions.” “My point is that I do not see any basis to believe that she has some sort of psychosexual fascination or fatal attraction to George Zimmerman. I know Jeralyn and such a description of her is offensive and that is why I objected to it. Just as we do not like it when someone demonizes us, we should not demonize others.”

    Dear Professor, welcome to hard ball. Let’s play:
    Whether or not Ms. Jeralyn Merritt is emotionally infatuated with George Michael Zimmerman and whether or not the said infatuation – and I am not saying that is (not) the case – is rooted in the fact that Ms. Merritt (as some women do) may smell the odor of masculine potency in a brutal act of killing, is something neither I nor you can establish OR deny – and the fact that you know Ms. Merritt does not make this any different or provide the required explanation. Indeed we all love- have engraved in the core of our being- and hold very high those lofty concepts (i.e. the legal principles of ‘presumptio innocentiae’ and ‘fair trial’) you claim to be the prime mover in Ms. Merritt. Surely, you would agree with me, dear professor, that aforementioned principles do not imply (willful) blindness or outright dishonesty. If Ms. Merritt truly believes in the garbage she writes on her blog about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, she would, indeed, qualify as an imbecile (and I wonder how many “high profile case she has ever won). If not, she would be dishonest for presenting as true something she knows to be not. If anyone should take offence at all, it should definitely be Trayvon and Ms. Sabrina Fulton against Ms. Jeralyn Merritt. When Ms. Merritt entered the arena with her offensive claims against a dead boy, she should expect her motives to be scrutinized. That’s hardly “offensive” or “demonizing”. I shall therefore, Professor, stand with indefatigable indignation on what I have said before and now. And, I am sure you agree we agree to disagree on this one.

  4. Malisha says:

    Roderick, I don’t think the Taaffe/Trayvon/Marijuana explanation can fly. There’s no evidence of it. Also, it sounds too TV crime-show. It’s the kind of thing one of the cops’ CI’s tells him on the sly in the Hood. Taaffe gets his marijuana from his own people, maybe sells it himself along with other things, and so forth. “His own people” are white. And a bunch of other things that make the story so improbable as to be virtually impossible.

    They say when you see hoofprints in Montana, think “horse,” don’t think, “zebra.” I think Trayvon in Sanford is “horse” — mom sent him up to stay with dad for a week or so while he wasn’t in school — and not “zebra” (he knows Taaffe from prior visits and etc.).

    Remember, George didn’t need an “excuse” to teach Trayvon a lesson. George is so superior he can teach anybody a lesson. If they are from a group of people toward whom George is particularly paternalistic (wants to be a cop to control them or a judge to “help” them) and to whom he considers himself especially superior, then he is even more qualified to teach them a lesson. If they want to be very respectful and grateful to him, he can always “mentor” them. If not, oops, he might have to teach them a different way. If they resist education/rehabilitation administered by this very superior and yet tolerant person, they might need killing.

    • roderick2012 says:

      Malisha, you are welcome to rip apart my scenerio because as I stated it was just thinking outside of the box.

      I guess it is just difficult for me to accept that an unarmed teenager is dead because an adult decided he wanted to play cops and robbers.

      I have no doubt that GZ is seriously mentally ill. Not only is he a narcissist but I believe he also has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with some paranoia thrown in.

      If you compare the transcript of the NEN call from 2/26 to George’s 2005 MySpace entry about Mexicans commiting crimes they seem very similar.

      I mean George sees crime everywhere and fancies himself as some sort of avenger.

      It’s a shame that no one got him the help he needed before he took Trayvon’s life.

      • jm says:

        “I mean George sees crime everywhere and fancies himself as some sort of avenger. It’s a shame that no one got him the help he needed before he took Trayvon’s life.”

        I don’t know who would get GZ help in a family like the Zimmerman family who are in denial even after he profiled a black teen, followed him, confronted him and shot and killed him.

        How they can justify GZ is beyond my understanding knowing his background with run-ins with the law and prior aggressive behavior.

        I think GZ is a sociopath and I am not sure if sociopaths can be helped even if his family realized something was off with GZ. They probably blamed everything and everyone but GZ because they have this self-righteous family “pride” thing going on – just as they are doing now.

      • rayvenwolf says:

        I can believe it. There’s a site that complied all of the SYG trials they could from florida. In one of them another NWP member literally chased down a bunch of kids who had been supposedly smoking pot in the neighborhood. He held them at gun point in a shopping center. One of the kid’s mom showed up to pick them up and obviously the cops were called. That psycho got a slap on the wrist legally speaking.

        Unfortunately bad things happen far to often for no valid reason other than someone having an off day/moment.

        George was/is a long term failure and nobody. Money problems, school problems, a job where he probably wasn’t on the fast track to the top, and more than a few neighbors who were pissed at him and also didn’t bow to his self imposed authority.

        If could have been any kid, it just happened to be Trayvon.

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      I wonder if there isn’t something to Roderick’s reasoning. I have begun hearing euphemism’s in the family’s speech–so that “mentoring minority children in dangerous neighborhoods” comes to mean regularly fencing stolen goods there, or selling/buying drugs. “Shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense” could mean killing a darker-skinned boy as a perverted rite of passage, which might also explain the extreme degree of protection and devotion shown by Osterman, among others. However, more knowledgeable investigators would have to prove this.

  5. Jun says:

    Okay I have done research from articles on Google and basically the Sherman Ware incident is a shame orchestrated by George to make himself look good (as you can see the Zimmerman KKKlan worry about their image because who they really are, well you know).

    He was asking for the repeal of Tooley’s pension, who is the police chief at the time of the incident, and he did not overlook the incident and admits there was some bad handling, however, the witnesses were all drunk and gave conflicting stories and until the video came to his respect, he was unaware of the issue.

    It was also used as a tool by hate groups to put out and try and create an image that it was a “black mob manhunt of George” as I seen that being stated on sites that are not reputable.

    The actual fact of the matter is, the video got turned in, Collision turned himself in, and George took advantage for a political agenda.

    The Conservative Treehouse aka the Nuthouse aka Tinfoil hat, have used this issue to spin it into propaganda, as well as others.

    The NaaCP actually stepped in when they caught wind of it.

    Basically, Zimmerman just went there to talk trash about the police force and try to take away Tooley’s pension.

    Karma is a bitch for Zimmerman LOL

    • Xena says:

      HA! Jun, you can best believe that GZ was looking for something to complain against Billy Lee too. Thus, his “They always get away” statement along with always giving the address for the clubhouse no matter where the “suspicious” persons were physically at when he called.

  6. Great article, by the way, Xena. Further validation for me.

    • Xena says:

      I find it interesting when you have those gut feelings, and then find confirmation “outside the box.”

      What is truly interesting, (but I don’t have a handle on yet), is that O’Mara’s birthday is 3 days after Trayvon’s. I would think that would give him the Aquarius quality of the peace and harmony, and not a personality of endurance for the chaos demonstrated by GZ’s family and supporters.

  7. Ed – I, too, thank the Professor for making a place for us to say stuff. I am going to add something of a spiritual nature with regard to our George Zimmerman. In particular, I focus on his fingers because I noticed them to be unusually long compared to his palms.

    The length and size of a person’s fingers can classify them as being intellectual, emotional or even a more physical person. George has long and slim fingers. They signify more of an emotional and aggressive type of person.

    His index finger is longer than the normal length and can be interpreted as someone who tends to be a leader enjoys telling others what to do.

    Just an observation. I wish I could get a closer look at his palms in one of the photos in evidence. Then, I could find further detail about his spirituality and personality traits for those who believe this to be possible.

    But, the length of his fingers are disconcerting to me.

    • Xena says:

      @Sandra Graham. When I watch the vid of GZ at his second bond hearing leaving the courtroom, his right arm appears to be longer than his left arm. For his astrological numerology, his life path is abusing power, and being a live wire. His birth chart indicates a life in isolation, such as prison, and seriously prone to any form of addictions.
      http://drturi.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/why-george-zimmerman-killed-trayvon-martin/

      It’s good to have someone to share this with. 🙂

    • ed nelson says:

      Hi Sandra,

      I have been in the work world, and in that work world, were the many guys that were of the many peoples, from across the globe, and I know the types of peoples, and the types of slight differences that may sometimes be seen… ?
      ______________________________

      I know of some types of different types of little slight variations of this or that… type of thing, as far as looks… comformance of body… type, or things like the length of fingers, and the shape of the fingers, and so many more of these observable type idiosynchroncies, that pertain to various groups of folks.

      I was a union guy, and most of us, believed that everybody should get a fair shake.. and that is even if/no matter what “race” he/she is! My union made it clear, everybody was on the same level, and that means you have to be a good union member, and so… you weren’t allowed to call somebody names, or that stuff.

      Nobody called anybody those names… ! Even though we did call them names…! Yeah but that means we got to do that, and get a chance to get it out in the open, and sometimes a fist fight too, but we got it out in the open… call me a Honkee, and I get to call you a Nigg… been there, done that…. big whoop!

      ____________________

      To me this is a site, that promotes the idea that we should have a great observance for the so called: “Rule of Law”!

      RULE OF LAW. Dig that, understand that percept!… Jethro!

  8. ed nelson says:

    Thank you Professor Fred for making a place to say stuff, here is my contribution from off the internet…

    It isn’t so very germain to this GZ and TM thing which I and others are watching, but… well, so the world goes on don’t it…?:

  9. Jun says:

    The Robert Zimmerman Jr. media escapade has taught us that everyone eventually shows us their true colors. Robert Zimmerman Jr. began by giving an apology, and because of that Cenk and others decided to give him opportunity to speak. Soon after it is the same ole agenda being pushed through. The Zimmermans want them to find peace and are sorry for what happened but they want them to know that Trayvon started the fight and broke George’s nose hence the killing was necessary and let George go, was Robert’s message. Then it became the ideal to muddy the waters with racial ideals of his, by claiming that white people need to prove their credibility, and the system hits up blacks, and now the tirade towards the Martin family lawyers. Then it became Ryan Julison’s fault too, and allegedly some grand conspiracy to get the Zimmerman’s for “stalking and killing Trayvon” to make them look bad.

    • Xena says:

      @Jun. Very good observations. (Are you still up? I’m proofing a Petition for Leave to Appeal. What’s your excuse?) 🙂

      Junior was as deceptive as his little brother; i.e., to get media sources to open the door under the impression he was trying to make peace with Trayvon’s parents, when he actually used the opportunity for his racial b.s.

      • Jun says:

        Watching horror movies on AMC =)

        • Xena says:

          Watching horror movies on AMC =)

          Ooooh. I hope they are good ones. I like monster and science fiction movies. I saw Marvel’s the Avengers. Made me think about GZ and his family. In that movie, Thor’s brother has a sword that he touches to the heart of those he wants to use to do his bidding. The way to overcome that and bring them back from their unquestioned obedience, is to knock them in the head. LOL!!

          GZ was suppose to have some sense knocked into his big head, but instead he thought shooting Trayvon in the heart was the way to get Trayvon to obey him.

      • Jun says:

        I see Robert Zimmerman and KKKlan are using KKK tactics to try and paint the “racist black angry mob” image and they are all grand conspiring to get George and the Zimmermans. They need to get rid of that mud when trial comes because it has nothing to do with the trial and the charge. The whole Zimmerman KKKlan is very emotionless and monotone, and come off very fake. I watched RZ Jr’s apology letter read and it was so robotic and fake but later learned it was part of an agenda and plot by the Zimmermans. I hope the State charges them with obstruction and perjury if they do take the stand to be character witnesses and attest what George told them.

        • Xena says:

          I see Robert Zimmerman and KKKlan are using KKK tactics to try and paint the “racist black angry mob” image and they are all grand conspiring to get George and the Zimmermans.

          Well, I remember when MLK was called a “trouble maker” by White bigots. It’s the same game plan now as it was in the 1960’s. Then, there were people concerned and afraid, and that included Whites involved in the Civil Rights Movement. Different day. Different generation. Power to the People!

          They need to get rid of that mud when trial comes because it has nothing to do with the trial and the charge.

          Why do you think the Zidiots are saying that they hope a White racist makes it on the jury — just one? Because they want to scare others to believe that GZ will be acquitted and spur a race riot. They want a race riot. They already have their insurance claims for stolen and/or damaged property that they don’t have, but hope to get after their claims are paid — bargained price from rioters who have stolen it.

          The whole Zimmerman KKKlan is very emotionless and monotone, and come off very fake. I watched RZ Jr’s apology letter read and it was so robotic and fake but later learned it was part of an agenda and plot by the Zimmermans.

          Did you see my blog on his purported apology? You know, I watched the VP debate and VP Biden said something very important and profound. He spoke about his faith and said that he would not impose it on others. Junior’s purported apology was an imposition of his Catholic beliefs on Trayvon’s parents. An insult.

          http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/george-zimmermans-purgatory/

  10. roderick2012 says:

    I have an outside the box theory that I want to submit so please don’t become angry because even if my scenerio is closer to the truth Trayvon didn’t deserve to be gunned down my Zimmerman.

    Remember that one of Taaffe’s children claimed that Taaffe was a heavy pot user.

    Let’s suppose that Trayvon knew Taaffe and had either bought or was given some pot by Taaffe on one of his previous visits to Sanford. Trayvon refuses and Taaffe is not pleased.

    On his way back from 7-11 Trayvon is spotted by Taaffe who phones Zimmerman whom he wants to scare Trayvon for refusing to sell pot for Taaffe.

    Zimmerman calls NEN because he either he’s in complete cop mode or he wants an alibi in case something goes wrong.

    Since Zimmerman has called NEN so many times he knew approximately how much time he had and the dispatcher was probably thinking–it’s GEORGE again so Zimmerman wasn’t worried about having a car sent immediately.

    Trayvon ran because he recognized Zimmerman as part of Taaffe’s gang and hid hoping that Zimmerman would just go away and leave him alone, but Zimmerman waited behind the building next to the sidewalk and surprised Trayvon when he resumed his trip to his father’s girlfriend’s condo.

    Zimmerman was arguing with Trayvon about the weed not if he were a burglar.

    Also why did Osterman state that Zimmerman feared for his life immediately after the shooting because Trayvon’s family would come after George when Trayvon was a John Doe?

    That would mean that Zimmerman had met Trayvon before the night he shot and killed him.

    • Xena says:

      roderick2012, we do have to consider DeeDee’s statement, but you reminded me of something. The SPD did have an identity on Trayvon in the early morning hours of 2/27/12 — before his dad called in the missing person’s report. There is absolutely nothing in the released discovery documents establishing how they made that identification, and they allege that Trayvon’s phone was locked, needing a PIN.

      Which brings me to something else. The Zidiots argue that Trayvon’s phone was dead when it was removed from the crime scene. Well, when did they actual read discovery documents? A police report says that the phone being left on needing a PIN to activate it, eventually led to the battery dying. However, they asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, conveying that they charged the battery. Tracy responded that he would need to talk with his lawyer first. That was smart.

      • Malisha says:

        How do we know that they had an i.d. on Trayvon Martin before his father called in? They dated documents and time-stamped them and then changed them later. They filed something at 3 a.m. and then added information later on. There was a lot of time-lag going on for about three days there.

      • roderick2012 says:

        Xena, I read your blog post about Zimmerman and Taaffe possibly being involved in fencing the items stolen during the burglaries.

        I always thought it was strange there have been no more burglaries since the shooting.

        One of the things I found odd is during Taaffe’s interviews he has seemed obsessed with painting Trayvon as having a bad drug problem.

        Is it guilt? Did Taaffe introduce Trayvon to drugs?

        All of these people are just strange.

  11. Fed-up taxpayer says:

    Psychologically, this has been the strangest case, made always more difficult by George’s(and all his family’s) mirror-syndome described a few days ago, and by my own unconscious inclination to believe what people say. For example, I gave credence to the claim that it was George screaming for weeks, but then I couldn’t square that, with the normal breath- and heart rates minutes post-shot when I read about it later, and I went back to my original belief that it was the boy. But it sure was a clever ploy, and it could certainly work on a jury member.

    For starters, it should make maintaining a lie easier, because one need only remember what the other guy actually said or did, and attribute it to oneself; one need only remember what one actually did and said, and attribute it to the other guy.

    But for the listener, it’s more difficult to untangle.

    • Xena says:

      @Fed-up taxpayer.

      For example, I gave credence to the claim that it was George screaming for weeks, but then I couldn’t square that, with the normal breath- and heart rates minutes post-shot when I read about it later, and I went back to my original belief that it was the boy.

      The reason I never believed it was GZ screaming is because the screams stop with the gunshot.

      I did think that Trayvon inflicted those injuries and had right to do so in his own self-defense — until I saw GZ’s re-enactment. If you notice, GZ does not describe ANY struggle as he restrained Trayvon’s arm and drew his gun. Trayvon had a free arm/hand, but just laid there thinking “Oh. I’ll just keep rubbing your ugly nose until you get your gun out and shoot me.” ???

      Then I saw the vid of GZ entering the police station. His clothes were too neat to have been in the fight that he describes and what’s more, in a fight on the ground. He did not walk as though he was in any pain, neither have facial expressions of being in pain or concern.

      Some things are logical and some aren’t. Anyone who falls to the ground unexpectedly on their back is going to have bruising — leg, shoulder, behind, back — somewhere. GZ had none.

    • Malisha says:

      Actually, your bringing up the screams for “help” has reminded me of something. One of my theories.

      George was getting some negative feedback from the residents by January and February of 2012. He had been “patrolling” with a loaded gun and they were getting creeped out about it. Someone in the neighborhood had called the police more than once, complaining about the issue. George probably wanted to prove to the residents that he really NEEDED to patrol with a loaded gun. He needed them to be as scared as he was of “stranger danger” and the invasion of “suspects.”

      I believe he set out that night to “bring somebody in” and to simultaneously prove that his gun was necessary for the safety of the neighborhood. I think he called NEN to report Trayvon with the clear intent to have to apprehend Trayvon BEFORE the police arrived so that by the time they DID arrive, he would be there with his “suspect” under control and he could then prove to the NW that the loaded gun was all that stood between them and crime.

      So he’d apprehend Trayvon, scream HELP HELP HELP and then have to draw his gun and restrain the “suspect” so that when the police arrived, he would get the phone call from them, tell them he had secured the suspect, and deliver up the suspect for them to arrest.

      HE COULD EASILY have screamed “HELP HELP HELP” as he played out the scene he had rehearsed, to give him the reason that he needed to draw his gun.

      Problem arose when Trayvon resisted and tried to run. Then…well, he just had to shoot.

      Too bad, but it was God’s plan.

      Then on March 1, 2012, Bill Lee was at a NW meeting and guess what: The person who had complained about George was there and “had to be escorted out” — by Billy Lee — for voicing loud objections to what had taken place. That was way long before the case came to general public attention. That was when it was going to be covered up and forgotten and George was gonna go on to become the important armed guard of the neighborhood.

      Sharpton and Jackson ruined his plan. They ruined “God’s plan” too. That really sucks.

  12. Malisha says:

    SEQUEL: And then up at the pearly gates.

    Trayvon’s in line.
    When he gets to St. Peter, he says, “I have been good. I saved my daddy from a fire once and I love my mom and I majored in cheerfulness. And the school librarian thinks I’m pretty nice too.”

    St. Peter: I’m sorry, Trayvon, but you really brought a lot of trouble down upon George Zimmerman, and we just can’t forgive you for that. 😦

  13. Malisha says:

    You guys, look at both sides of the story, OK? It could just as well have gone like this:

    Trayvon (while at the 7-11): [thought bubble] Hmmm. I don’t think I can beat up this clerk here; he’s got a security camera. I’ll just get some skittles and tea for extra energy and a sugar high and go entrap some fool white guy into following me. [skip skip skip skip skip] Uh Oh, where are all the creepy white guys? I got nothin’ to do for the nex half hour, and there’s no creepy white guys to beat up on? Damn. Lemme just call DeeDee and kill some time waiting for a creepy white guy. [brrrrring brrrrring brrrrring] Hello, DeeDee? Yeah. I’m just hangin’ out waiting for some gullible white guy to think he’s getting over on me. Yeah. Got a whole half hour before the game starts up. Yeah. Oh, here comes one now. See ya later, girl, right now I’m gonna go kill me a punk-ass white guy. [to George] “What’s your fuckin’ problem, homie” [hears: “I don’t have a problem.”] “Well you do NOW” BAM POP SMASH CLUNK BAMMMM BAMMMM BAMMMMM Shut the Fuck UP! Smash BANG Smother MMA BAMM SMASH [sees a bump on George’s tushie] YOU’RE GONNA DIE TONIGHT MOTHERFUCKER!

    * * * Oh oops! * * * You got me! [THE END]

    Yeah, that sounds about right, um…right? ‘Cause if not I can just change it. Or somethin’ — ’cause it’s god’s plan, and you know, god’s ways are mysterious, you never know…

    • Jun says:

      Allegedly, Trayvon plotted to lure Zimmerman to chase him with a gun, and stalk him and target him, as well as yell disparaging remarks at and about him, by being a black kid with candy and ice tea. But the thing is Zimmerman was not following, he was just going in the same direction as Trayvon skipped away from him really fast, as Zimmerman looked for an address, so those plans were denied. Then the screaming that happened two minutes later, which Zimmerman claims happened at the end of his call, actually happened when Zimmerman said so, because it was all an echo effect. The echo effect also cause both their bodies to teleport after Zimmerman shot and killed the 100 pound dangerous African American superman who was armed with Skittles. Injured when Zimmerman fell into a bush and dog walk sign with a couple chicken scratches, the wonders of modern medicine, helped Zimmerman heal from his mortal death wounds with a pair of knuckle bandaids, placed on areas not where the wounds were before.

  14. Weren’t the FBI investigating racial profiling and hate crime possibilities. What exactly does that have to do with the case at hand. George Zimmerman is not charged with either at this point in time. Wasn’t the Department of Justice investigating the Sanford Police Department. What exactly does that have to do with the George Zimmerman case at hand. The States Attorney will not be going there – racial profiling, hate crime, or corruption in the SPD. Maybe he needs George Zimmerman material to give Robert Zimmerman a head start in his case against the media and others who have defamed the name of Zimmerman. Looks to me that O’Mara is going to go the race route and this is why Robert said during one of his interviews – words to the effect – Trayvon could have been wearing anything that night – it has nothing to do with who Trayvon was, it was his suspicious behaviour. In posts supporting Zimmerman, again, they say Trayvon targeted GZ. They say in one of Trayvon’s posts (I forget the spelling) – put the bangazz to the crackas.

  15. Xena says:

    From O’Mara:

    However, if the FDLE conclusions point to an adequate, non-racially biased investigation from the Sanford Police Department, and if the FBI investigation concludes that George Zimmerman did not violate Trayvon Martin’s civil rights by acting in a racially biased way, then Mr. Crump should acknowledge that the George Zimmerman case is not about race,

    Why doesn’t MOM tell GZ’s supporters to cease and desist from using this case to express and promote racial hatred? Mom MUST hold GZ’s supporters accountable for their consistent use of referring to Trayvon as “Traycoon” and “Trayboon.”

    MOM MUST hold GZ’s supporters accountable for using the words “colored” “Negro” and “nigras” in derogatory manners.

    Also, he MUST hold GZ’s supporters accountable for representing that Trayvon Martin deserved to die because of his race, and/or that GZ was entitled to have Trayvon submit to him.

    Truthfully, the thought that this case is about race does not enter my mind until I read internet comments made by GZ’s supporters.

    • jm says:

      Xena says: “The thought that this case is about race does not enter my mind until I read internet comments made by GZ’s supporters.”

      I think this case is about race from GZ’s NEN call where he referred to a black male as an azzhole and effing punk.

      I can understand W9’s claim that the Zimmermans did have racist views if the black person did not act white enough. I know a lot of people who claim not to be racist but they only know and/or associate with “white” acting black people. Like Joe Oliver for example.

      Don’t read the other boards much any more but when I did there are definitely racists supporting GZ just because he killed a black male.

      Do you think MOM wants the Zimbeciles to cease and desist their racist commentary when they may provide more defense funds for him? This guy is in business to make $$$$$.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        He talks from both sides of his mouth, not unlike politicians around election time!

      • Xena says:

        I think this case is about race from GZ’s NEN call where he referred to a black male as an azzhole and effing punk.

        JM, I don’t disagree with you per se. First, I hear GZ saying “f’ing coon.” An alternative would be “poon.” I can understand the prosecution using the word “punk” because anything that GZ admitted to saying along with “f’ing” denotes anger and insult.

        GZ will profile anyone for any reason to compensate for his own inadequacies.

        Here, the racism is within the SPD. IMO, had the victim been White, Serino would not have interviewed GZ for “explanations.” Rather he would have interviewed as part of an “investigation.” There would have been no assumption that the parents would “shuffle along” after hearing “explanations” as delivered to them as “George Zimmerman said.”

        Isn’t that the same insult to our intelligence that GZ’s family and the Ostermans are doing? When GZ’s supporters do the same, it screams of bigoted racism conveying that they are entitled to be right even when they are not.

    • looneydoone says:

      Agreed, Xena
      And MOM likes it *that way*
      Keeps gz’s supporters all frothed up…. Wasn’t it just a couple of months ago the defense/living expenses/security was down to $20k?

      Popsi and mama still soliciting on their website ?
      Popsi has control over that account. Are gz supporters circumventing Judge Lester’s Bond Stipulations by sending money to gz’s parents > Is popsi slipping donated cash into gz’s pocket ??

      They are despicable, lying, calculating, whiners (their best qualities)
      Is it too much to hope they all succumb to typhoid ?? E-Coli? Poison mushrooms ? Listeria?

      • Xena says:

        @looneydoone.

        Are gz supporters circumventing Judge Lester’s Bond Stipulations by sending money to gz’s parents

        That was discussed in comments on the conservativetreehouse. The plan was to send the money to GZ’s parents with a note to give it to GZ.

        Is it too much to hope they all succumb to typhoid ?? E-Coli? Poison mushrooms ? Listeria?

        Better consequences are that GZ to be denied immunity, go to trial, be convicted, and sentenced to life.

      • Jun says:

        Cant wait till trial or immunity hearing because the Zimmermans are going to have to answer questions regarding their websites and who is donating

        • jm says:

          Jun says “Cant wait till trial or immunity hearing because the Zimmermans are going to have to answer questions regarding their websites and who is donating.”

          Do they legally have to disclose this in immunity hearing or trial? Would that be relevant? (I hope you are correct if they do have to disclose this info)

          • I don’t believe anyone from the Zimmerman family, except possibly George Zimmerman, will be testifying at the immunity hearing and the trial. The family members were not witnesses to the shooting and the financial sources and amounts contributed are not relevant.

      • Jun says:

        I think it is relevant in pertaining to their credibility. They have made a lot of claims and allegations on their website, in regards to the aftermath of the case, and they should be able to back up what they have been saying in regards to the case, and their in and out of court actions. I think the main factor is that no on knew who they were, until they came out about the fact after the fact. The money also pertains to George’s bond conditions concerning money.

      • Jun says:

        Freddy is right, IMO, if the Zimmermans are not being character witnesses to the case. Everything George told them is hearsay unless it is used to prove inconsistencies in George’s claims to everyone. I could be wrong, but I am simply saying if they are, what they wrote and said on a website can be used against them

      • I don’t think any money donated to Mom and Dad has to be accounted for and this is exactly why the website was put up. I do not believe the Mom and Dad would personally beg for money – at least not by the identical method George did. Of course, this was Georges doing in order that any money collected would NOT be under scrutiny.

        • Xena says:

          Of course, this was Georges doing in order that any money collected would NOT be under scrutiny.

          Right you are! The following are comments posted on the treehouse.

          “I think GZ should open his own account again, but maybe that is wrong thinking? I’d feel much better giving to his defense and living expense fund if it were going directly to him and not O’Mara. I was going to resume giving when he opened up his website again, but for some reason I cannot bring myself to do it. I may give in eventually, but right now I just can’t do it. I happily give to Robert & Gladys. Are any of you feeling the same or am I just being unreasonably cautious?”

          “Just give to his parents and tell them you want it to go to GZ personal expenses.”

          “If my read on Robert and Gladys is correct, they are a family that takes take of all of their own, which would include George if the other website donation accounts dry up. NO? “

          “Any monies donated through the website go directly to Robert Zimmerman, Sr. It is a fund completely separate and apart from the GZ Legal Defense Fund, and all gifts made through the http://robertandgladys.com website link are disbursed at the sole discretion of Robert and Gladys Zimmerman.”

      • Jun says:

        I think even if George got the money funneled through a third party, like his parents, the son of satan will be under scrutiny because they will be asking where he got this and got that, and how they paid this and paid that. With their track record, as per usual Conservative Tinfoil Hat ideas, it will not work well for the Zimmermans.

        • Xena says:

          I think even if George got the money funneled through a third party, like his parents, the son of satan will be under scrutiny because they will be asking where he got this and got that, and how they paid this and paid that. With their track record, as per usual Conservative Tinfoil Hat ideas, it will not work well for the Zimmermans.

          O’Mara is paying GZ’s cost of living expenses out of the legal defense fund. That money in circumvention of the order of the court, funneled through GZ’s parents, is for GZ to flee. We have already heard Junior say that he and George look alike, right?

      • Xena – I have believed GZ is planning to flee since his first Bond Hearing. You may be right about the parents web site and its purpose. Makes perfect GZ sense to me. I would bet my pay cheque, he will not be locked up – one way or the other. It is beneath him.

        • Xena says:

          @Sandra Graham.

          Xena – I have believed GZ is planning to flee since his first Bond Hearing. You may be right about the parents web site and its purpose. Makes perfect GZ sense to me. I would bet my pay cheque, he will not be locked up – one way or the other. It is beneath him.

          I found it interesting that Junior would say that he looks like his brother. That conveys that GZ can and will use his brother’s identification if necessary to flee.

          You’re correct, it’s beneath him. He is also a coward. He knows he is guilty of murder. Thanks to his misuse of donations previous to O’Mara taking over the fund, GZ is debt free. He simply needs a place to live and living expenses.

    • Malisha says:

      O’Mara’s out of line. No matter what anybody decides about anything, Crump is not required to change HIS opinion of ANYTHING in the news, this case or anything else. O’Mara has been around George too much; he is catching a bad case of “MY WORD IS LAW-ITIS.” Sure is contagious!

      • Fed-up taxpayer says:

        “MY WORD IS LAW-ITIS”! Causes major rash– But it’s so satisfying to scratch that itch.

        Imagine what it’s doing to all the paralegals in MO’M’s office.

      • Xena says:

        @Malisha.

        O’Mara’s out of line. No matter what anybody decides about anything, Crump is not required to change HIS opinion of ANYTHING in the news, this case or anything else. O’Mara has been around George too much; he is catching a bad case of “MY WORD IS LAW-ITIS.” Sure is contagious!

        Want to know what I really think about O’Mara’s pointing a finger at Attorney Crump, wanting him to admit certain things and apologize for others?

        Privilege.
        Needing validation that he is privileged to have certain others in the same profession submit to him.

      • Jun says:

        The other dumb part of Omara’s claims is that race is not involved because “George is hispanic” and that “blacks are over represented” and that it is saying SPD acted racially, therefore investigation should show it and that he has worked cases where it is involved…

        So it is impossible for Zimmerman to be racist because he is part hispanic, and part white?

      • Xena says:

        So it is impossible for Zimmerman to be racist because he is part hispanic, and part white?

        The first police reports classify GZ’s race as white. His medical report classifies him as white. GZ should not be ashamed of that now and pick and choose whatever race he feels is to his benefit.

        • cielo62 says:

          His. RACE will ALWAYS be white. Whether he claims his HISPANIC HERITAGE is a different question. They are not the same thing.

          • Xena says:

            His. RACE will ALWAYS be white. Whether he claims his HISPANIC HERITAGE is a different question. They are not the same thing.

            I hear ya Cielo62. Hispanic refers to language and not race. Did you also notice that before Dubya took office, there were actually Oriental people and East Indians? Now, they’re tossed into the “Asian” pool. Why can’t there just be the human race?

      • rachael says:

        “So it is impossible for Zimmerman to be racist because he is part hispanic, and part white?”

        No, it is impossible for him to be racist because his great grandfather (supposedly) was black. Sigh.

        -eye roll-

    • ladystclaire says:

      As an AA I’m sick and tired of seeing how these people can use the internet to spew their racial hatred and get away with it. if Trayvon had been as black as seven mid nights, he was still a child, a human being and a child of GOD! he did not in any way have to submit to Zimmerman or anyone else for that matter. this is the same mind set of Frank Taaffe. it is also Emmett Till all over again and, the difference here is, Zimmerman is not going to get away with this murder. never in the history of this country, have there been a case of a white child’s murder being treated in this manner. even if in some cases where the white kid was really a thug, in the case of the Columbine murderers. these guys murdered other kids and even though they turned the same weapons on themselves, they were not treated the way that Trayvon is being treated by the worse of the worse in this country. these people are giving the world an inside look up close and personal, of the United States of America’s dirty little secret.

      • Xena says:

        @ladystclaire.

        even if in some cases where the white kid was really a thug, in the case of the Columbine murderers.

        There you go — there is a comment on the doghouse where the person says he/she can’t say “thug” without being called a racist. You see, racist bigots think that only Blacks can be thugs. As you have pointed out, the Columbine killers were also thugs.

        Actually, what causes me to laugh is those calling Trayvon a “thug” have no idea what a “thug” is. Zimmerman meets the description of a “thug.”

  16. rachael says:

    Media groups challenge Zimmerman prosecutors – Orlando

    http://orlando.catholic.org/newsArticles.php?article=47985

    • Malisha says:

      George has probably cost the State of Florida a couple million dollars so far, and the count is going up up up up up and up. He should be a line item on the state budget by now. And all this because he didn’t keep his mind on his job of going to Target and buying 40 cents’ worth of groceries after mentoring those poor black kids on 2/26/2012. 😈

      • Xena says:

        What the media needs to understand and respect is that subpoenas to third-parties should not be made public. Third parties have the right to some privacy. They don’t ask to be involved in cases and other than challenging the subpoena, have no other standing.

      • ladystclaire says:

        Forty cents worth of groceries, LMAO! BTW, he wasn’t going grocery shopping, that was a lie concocted by the SPD chief along with I;m sure officer Timothy Smith as well as Norm Wolfinger. they all knew Zimmerman was not suppose to have a gun on him while doing his NW duties and hence the going grocery shopping lie was born. the chief of police of all people was deeply involved in this cover up.

  17. rachael says:

    Trayvon Martin Update: George Zimmerman Attorney Mark O’Mara Not Happy With Piers Morgan Interview with Brother Robert Zimmerman
    Read more at http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/2238/20121011/trayvon-martin-update-george-zimmerman-attorney-mark.htm#MrWpyA6kfVxqrLfa.99

    • jm says:

      I think MOM has big problems with RZ Jr, especially his threatening and losing his temper with another lawyer. Sounds like loose cannons and bad tempers run in the family. RZ Jr also should not threaten if he can’t back up his threat with action.

      • Xena says:

        I don’t know about disciplinary rules in Florida, but in Illinois, it is very difficult for a non-client to have a complaint against an attorney actually heard. Most complaints that proceed with hearing involve inappropriate use of client funds; failure to file or appear; or sexual harassment of clients. Most other issues would be resolved in arbitration with the attorney’s malpractice insurance carrier.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        He simultaneously threatens people and prays for them . . . aren’t the two mutually exclusive?

        • jm says:

          Two sides says: “He simultaneously threatens people and prays for them . . . aren’t the two mutually exclusive?”

          LOL – You know no matter how blustery and angry the Zimmermans get, they always manage to let you how “spiritual” they are. What a bunch of nutcakes in that family.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO

        Whats more ridiculous is Robert Z Jr’s statement that the family would never be happy about a death or killing, then Robert goes on to say that Trayvon started it, and killing him was necessary. They are also obviously happy because they silenced a witness.

        LMAO

        I dont even need to make up their constant contradictions

        LOL

        The other dumb part is their constant blame of the media for their problems, when the media simply reported that a killing was under investigation, the killer claimed self defense, and then they played Zimmerman’s NEN call and other evidence. How exactly did they expect to report “a wanna be cop targeted, stalked, harassed, attacked, and killed an unarmed kid who had skittles, using a gun, while yelling disparaging and hateful remarks on a police phone call”? Piers Morgan put it best when he said to RZ Jr early on, that if George simply left the kid alone, since he was simply going home with candy from the store, there would be no problems. Of course, Robert refused to answer questions as usual, especially, why George had to target, stalk, and kill a kid.

    • Kyma says:

      “O’Mara expressed concern that such use of main-stream media as well as social media could work against his client in the upcoming trial.”

      Hmmm, O’Mara set up a Facebook account for the GZ defense, but somehow has the gall to say social media may not work the way he wanted it too?

      Dear Kettle, meet pot.

    • Malisha says:

      Oh ah hahahahahahaha, ooooh heeeheeeeheee ouch ouch it hurts when I laugh bwaaaaaahahahahahaha!!

  18. rachael says:

    GEORGE ZIMMERMAN DEFENSE FILES DEMAND FOR SPECIFIC DISCOVERY
    ON 11 OCTOBER 2012.

    On October 11, 2012 the Zimmerman defense team filed a Demand for Specific Discovery requesting all records held by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Department of Justice Community Relations Services as they pertain the the organizations’ respective investigations and communications regarding the State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman or any related matters, including the investigation of the Sanford Police Department’s handling of the initial investigation.

    http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/52-george-zimmerman-defense-files-demand-for-specific-discovery

    • Xena says:

      I am very happy to see this. For one, it means that MOM is getting back to the case and away from efforts to denigrate Trayvon Martin. Secondly, it provides him with what the FBI has investigated, discovered, and whether their investigation continues. It might result in putting MOM on his toes; to know whether GZ should agree to a plea deal; or if there is potential of federal charges against GZ.

      The “handling of the initial investigation” by the SPD might be used by MOM to argue a finding of self-defense. However, the SPD limited their investigation to what GZ said, and what witnesses said, and that is the limit of their jurisdiction until and unless the State’s Attorney decides to prosecute.

      • Malisha says:

        I don’t think the judge is going to give him that stuff. I think the DOJ is going to put in papers saying, “no way” and that is going to carry the day. They’re doing something, but it’s impossible to guess what, and they’re not about to be told what to do and when to report on what they do. This is theater. O’Mara knows he’s not getting that stuff. That’s my take on it. We shall see.

    • cielo62 says:

      Good grief. Do they have to provide it? Can’t people just investigate facts in peace?

      • Jun says:

        I do not honestly know if Omara can get them, unless it pertains to the case and what goes into trial as evidence. The FBI have not pressed charges yet on George, so they dont have to give them anything. I think they will simply say it is ongoing and it is irrelevant to George because I dont believe investigators give away what they have found on people they suspect to the people they suspect until they have give sufficient cause to press them.

        • cielo62 says:

          Thank you for the answer. I suspect the FBI is gathering its case and waiting for the outcome of the state trial.

        • Xena says:

          The FBI have not pressed charges yet on George, so they dont have to give them anything.

          U.S. Attorneys generally contact those they plan to charge before they do so. When the person is represented by legal counsel, they contact the lawyer. They lay out the charges they plan to file with generalities of what evidence they have. They try to negotiate a plea before taking it before the grand jury. The letter includes a response date and when the grand jury will convene.

          Who knows? O’Mara may have received such a letter, or anticipates one forthcoming. It might not directly relate to the killing of Trayvon but maybe surrounding circumstances. It may even deal with interstate fraud since GZ collected money for one thing, but used it for something else.

      • Jun says:

        I could be wrong but I am going by my knowledge that any investigator is not going to give their suspect what they have found to give them a heads up, unless it is for trial. They do this because any suspect, who is guilty, will quickly be let on that they must get rid of any evidence that ties them, before any charges would even be filed, and the investigator would be screwing themselves to do that.

      • Jun says:

        Actually, yes, come to think of it, I am fairly certain, as it has nothing to do with the discovery for his murder 2 charges.

  19. Malisha says:

    Sandra G, all those folks thought (for some unknown reason) that as soon as they opened their mouths, they would be believed and presto chango, the story would change from “George Zimmerman killed a defenseless kid” to “George Zimmerman must be innocent because this very wonderful, highly respectable, authoritative person said he is.” Not a single one of these bozos figured people would conclude, “What a fool to go out there peddling that rubbish!”

    Oh well, win some lose some. :mrgreen:

    • rachael says:

      They also wanted their 15 minutes of fame.

      • jm says:

        In particular Robert Jr. I think he is quite full of himself. I looked at his Twitter account and he has so many pictures of himself. I think he fancies himself intelligent and handsome, perhaps worthy of a career in show biz on some level.

      • Xena says:

        @jm

        In particular Robert Jr. I think he is quite full of himself. I looked at his Twitter account and he has so many pictures of himself. I think he fancies himself intelligent and handsome, perhaps worthy of a career in show biz on some level.

        The man is unemployed!!! Of course he’s looking for a door to open for his next career. (smirk)

      • shannoninmiami says:

        I absolutely think RZjr is looking to get into show business! On his twitter profile pic it looks like he’s placed his enormous head on what looks just like a stage with the spot lights and all! I swear that’s what it looks like- that’s the first thing i thought of when i saw it! He thinks he’s gonna be some kinda media mogul! even his email address he lists on twitter says RobertjzjrMedia @ gmail.com AS IF!!!LOLO

        To RZjr–> GTFO! you were a nothing nobody before your brother murdered an innocent boy and your’ll still be a nothing nobody after GZ goes to prison for life! deal with it!

    • Pat deadder says:

      That’s hilarious.

  20. Joe Oliver, Frank Taaffe, Mark and Sondra Osterman, Robert Jr, and Sr., Gladys Zimmerman, have all put themselves in the public domain. Had they not done so, no one would know them and none of them would live in fear for their lives. They are masters of their own destiny. George has ruined alot of lives. But, these people have ruined their own. I include Mark OMara is this group of media whores.

    • MichelleO says:

      I agree with you wholeheartedly that George has destroyed a lot of lives. They were all estranged from him for several years, and now they have all come back to support him because he can’t stop making horrendous mistakes and can’t stay out of trouble. I believe in this family, that trouble has probably always centered around Georgy.

  21. Malisha says:

    Professor, on the subject of Jeralyn Merritt simply being a good defense attorney, I don’t think that explains her bias in the Zimmerman case. It WOULD explain her bias if she actually represented Zimmerman (O’Mara can say all those things Jeralyn is saying without a hint of inappropriateness about them) but she does not; she’s giving an attorney’s view of a case on a public blog.

    Here’s my point: She says that Zimmerman did no wrong because he was attacked, he was beaten violently, his head was bashed and his nose was broken.

    She is assuming that Zimmerman’s story is true! But that assumes facts not in evidence. Even if she were to say that she personally BELIEVES those stories (and indeed, why would she?), she should not be posting analyses of the case ASSUMING THE TRUTH OF THOSE UNCONFIRMED STORIES. She make the same mistake over and over again: witnesses who appear to confirm George’s ridiculous lies are credited and witnesses who appear to disconfirm them are considered non-credible. She is not analyzing the case; she is weighing in with her passionate defense of a man who has not been able to provide a single coherent interview from the night of the killing until now.

    I don’t argue that she’s wrong in presuming Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty. I argue that she’s wrong in giving a biased view of the evidence and in misrepresenting the position of the prosecutor who has now charged Murder-2.

    For her to take the defense’s side is fine; for her to pretend that the defense’s side is strong is just wrong.

    • I believe she has permitted her bias to compromise her objectivity and I strongly disagree with her opinions and conclusions.

      My point is that I do not see any basis to believe that she has some sort of psychosexual fascination or fatal attraction to George Zimmerman.

      I know Jeralyn and such a description of her is offensive and that is why I objected to it.

      Just as we do not like it when someone demonizes us, we should not demonize others.

      • Malisha says:

        OK, if you know her and that’s not what has caused her bias, I accept that my wild supposition is ruled out. Then I have to say I have no idea why she has adopted her factually untenable and rather bizarre position but I’ll consider her non-demonic. 🙂

        As a kind of parting “wondering” though, I have to wonder why she was so quick to demonize Trayvon Martin. Why was she willing to believe so quickly (and so without credible evidence) that Trayvon would have hidden, leaped out to attack, and threatened death to a guy who was not harming him and not threatening him? Why would she speculate that Trayvon Martin’s family would be chagrined to see “all the dirt” come out about their deceased son if there had to be a trial? She was making some rather aggressive assumptions about Trayvon Martin, and if you think of it, anyone who believes the self-defense claims of Zimmerman HAS to demonize Trayvon because Z’s story doesn’t work unless you believe he was harmlessly returning to his truck when viciously and murderously attacked. Then the “depraved mind” description falls on Trayvon.

        • I will only go so far in defending Jeralyn.

          I am already on the record stating that I believe that anyone who believes George Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense, which is based on his stereotypical and racist description of Trayvon as a B movie Black gangsta uttering dated slang from the late 80s and early 90s, must be racist or they would immediately recognize that Zimmerman lied.

          I have not changed my mind.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I think Jeralyn Merritt’s status as a concealed weapon carrier in CO plus her interest in defending high profile cases and her zeal as a defense attorney has blinded her a bit.

      • PYorck says:

        I think Jeralyn Merritt’s status as a concealed weapon carrier in CO plus her interest in defending high profile cases and her zeal as a defense attorney has blinded her a bit.

        I haven’t read her blog much recently, but the impression that I got was that when she says that “this is a defense blog” she means that very literally.

        She isn’t just talking about this case. She seems to understand her role as the attorney of every defendant anywhere, ever.

        Whatever you think of that position in general, it is not very conducive to productive debate, especially when she tries to steer everybody else towards the same approach. She embraces it so unconditionally that honestly I am not sure what she really believes about the case.

        She comes across as about as objective as O’Mara, except that he has a very good reason for doing what he does.

    • roderick2012 says:

      Malisha, I agree with you. Men ( I use that word loosely) like Zimmerman have this ability to be seen as victims by some women. Heck remember the Menendez brothers had a huge number of female groupies and either one or both of them were married while a convict.

      She banned me after my first two post which I will carry as a badge of honor until the day I die since they claim to be open-minded liberals but they are obviously racists.

      • Malisha says:

        Roderick, things like the Jeralyn blog baffle me so much that I can only refer to poetry to help clear the fog. W.H. Auden:

        “The desires of the heart are as crooked as corkscrews.”

        I’m defense oriented. I’m big on constitutional rights. I would have acquitted Casey Anthony because there was “reasonable doubt” that she actually committed the murder, or committed A murder. The whole thing was too weird for me to discard doubt. Yet a defense of: “The guy attacked ME and so I had to kill him” right after saying, “These assholes, they always get away,” does not fly with me. So Jeralyn’s adoption of the “The thug got God really mad by bashing my head on the sidewalk” line just throws me. I’m frank. It just throws me. ❗

      • roderick2012 says:

        Malisha, did you read Jerlyn’s thread about Taaffe’s DUI arrest?

        She was complaining that it should not have been made public and she blamed FL’s open record laws for his arrest not the fact that he was indeed driving eratically and was DUI.

        I have no idea how it’s handled in Colorado where she lives, but in most states DUI arrests are part of local records and where I live (South Florida) they even have the mugshots of those arrested for crimes even DUI posted online.

        She thinks it’s a media conspiracy that Taaffe’s arrest made headlines even though he has been all over the media smearing Trayvon and his family because he’s a meanspirited coward who had Zimbot do his dirty work for him.

        Taaffe wanted to be a star so he has to suffer the consequences of his infamy.

        Another poster on the same thread complained that the media was concentrating on the crimes of Zimmerman’s associates and family and not on those of Trayvon’s family. The reason could be that no one associated with Trayvon has committed a crime since the shooting.

    • SearchingMind says:

      Malisha, the case is very well made. You are such a healthy, beautiful mind.

      • Malisha says:

        Wow, thanks, SM! I don’t know how many people would vote for “healthy” but as long as I have a nomination I guess I’ll be all right! 🙂

  22. Further, I find the Sunshine Laws in Florida should be adopted by every state, province, and territory. The public should have the opportunity to discuss evidence provided and to watch the proceedings as they occur. To do so goes a long way for the public and the legal system witness a trial as it should be. The Casey Anthony case should have been a wake-up call for Florida. All of the evidence seen by the public convinced the majority that there would be a guilty verdict. However, in that case, there was important evidence that was never presented – phone logs and pings, for example. Baez should never have had the ability to drop bombshells and gotten away with it. There seems to be no accountability in the legal profession. This leads me to believe an independent body should be investigating lawyers in cases such as the Anthonys and actually have those lawyers charged — not a mere slap on the wrist by the Bar.

    • cielo62 says:

      Honestly, I think that your suggestion would help in righting many wrongs we see with the current legal system. The courts, lawyers from both sides and sundry cops/sheriffs/ deputies abuse the fact the current system is opaque to the point of being impermeable to anyone looking at it from the outside. Should any of the attorneys involved in this case try anything even remotely controversial, people like the posters here would raise a loud cry and hue and bring light to it. It’s hard to follow all cases, but at least people with a vested interest could follow along MORE if all states had laws similar to the Sunshine Law.

    • Pat deadder says:

      I believe Casey Anthony was not guilty and if she was the prosecution certainly did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to me anyway.

  23. katieunc says:

    Mark Osterman’s book isn’t going to help GZ’s case. Next we have Gladys in the media, and now Robert Jr ranting at lawyers. Does this family of morons have any idea what they are doing to their family member/friend’s reputation. I believe GZ is quilty but gees, these people are going to put the nails in the coffin.

    Professor, do you have any comments on the behavior of Zimmerman’s family and friends ? What effects might all of these things have on the trial?

    • MichelleO says:

      THE genetic stupidity of George is on display. The stupidity train cannot be stopped. These people feel that they are “lords of the land” and should not be questioned regarding such a lowly peasant as Trayvon.

    • You said,

      “Professor, do you have any comments on the behavior of Zimmerman’s family and friends ? What effects might all of these things have on the trial?”

      They are definitely not helping GZ’s case and probably hurting it by their incessant whining.

      • jm says:

        Professor says:: “They are definitely not helping GZ’s case and probably hurting it by their incessant whining.”

        But are they hurting GZ legally, in particular both RZ Jr and Sr.

        Also how about Osterman, since he told a conflicting story about Trayvon having his hand on the gun per GZ, his best friend. Can any of their statements be used by the prosecution during the trial?

        • You said,

          “But are they hurting GZ legally, in particular both RZ Jr and Sr.

          Also how about Osterman, since he told a conflicting story about Trayvon having his hand on the gun per GZ, his best friend. Can any of their statements be used by the prosecution during the trial?”

          Assuming Zimmerman testifies, the prosecutor can cross examine him by asking him if he told RZ Jr and Sr or Osterman something that they have subsequently stated that he told them. If Zimmerman denies that he said that, the prosecution can call the person to whom Zimmerman made the statement and complete the impeachment with them.

          If I were the prosecutor, I probably wouldn’t bother with that line of questioning because Zimmerman has so compromised his defense with his many conflicting and inconsistent statements to the police that there is no need to confront him with his conflicting and inconsistent statements to his family and Osterman.

          In other words there is no need to prove Zimmerman’s guilt by using statements he made to them.

  24. Kyma says:

    Not finding a lot of media coverage on this case right now. Media has been a critical part of the defense strategy. Is this due to the elections? Will O’Mara try to ignite more coverage after the elections?

    Do you think GZ actually feels remorse for his crime? Can he sleep at night?

    • Malisha says:

      I don’t think George cares about killing Trayvon except that now it’s become a problem in his life. “Poor me” is what bothers George. He thought he should get a medal for killing Trayvon; he didn’t think he should be annoyed with a murder charge!

      • Kyma says:

        Agreed, but now that his ‘heroic’ act not panning out that way I wonder if anything is hitting the fan in his psychology.

        He lies lies lies and lies, but deep down he can’t lie to himself for forever. Personally, I hope he has 30 years to life to feel poor me.

    • jm says:

      It’s pretty obvious George feels no remorse by his Hannity interview where he says he has no regrets and shooting Trayvon was God’s plan.

      He is prescribed a drug to sleep at night, tamazepam, but he was prescribed that before the shooting.

    • MichelleO says:

      “Do you think GZ actually feels remorse for his crime? Can he sleep at night?”

      HELL, NO! Look at demeanor of Georgy, his friends, and his folks. These people pretty much view the execution of this kid as sport and cosmic justice. He was a nobody. He was just a black boy. They have problems understanding why anyone would be upset by a grown man following, terrorizing, and executing a black kid, who they view as nothing anyway.

  25. The TV interviews by Zimmermans family and friends, attorneys, and those interviews of Trayvons family should be considered witness tampering or the poisoning of a potential jury pool. It is one thing for news agencies to report news. In my opinion though, for shows like Piers Morgan, Geraldo Rivera, Dr. Phil, and others including other mediums SHOULD be held accountable for this circus. There should be laws enacted to prevent potential witnesses and others associated with a particular case should have no opportunity to access the public with their particular spins before a case is heard. I find this case to be a disgrace, a sleaziness, and illegal use of the media. Your thoughts.

    • cielo62 says:

      Concur 100%. All the talk circuits should be required to wait til after a verdict.

    • jm says:

      “I find this case to be a disgrace, a sleaziness, and illegal use of the media.”

      I think begging for money like the Zimmermans are doing and trying to sway public opinion by appearing on talk shows is sleazy and disgraceful but unsure if it is an illegal use of media.

      Interestingly, there are a lot of people I know who do not follow the Zimmerman events (like I do) so I think there is a good chance they aren’t capable of poisoning the jury pool. My biggest concern as far as juries go, is a Casey Anthony jury who could not connect the dots to find her guilty or that MOM pulls a Jose Baez with some shocking unfounded accusations.

      • Jun says:

        I think the state failed at objecting Jose Baez to be honest. I am not sure but I think the state can object that Jose Baez did not lay a foundation, gave irrelevant info, and was using hearsay.

        • jm says:

          Jun says::”I think the state failed at objecting Jose Baez to be honest. I am not sure but I think the state can object that Jose Baez did not lay a foundation, gave irrelevant info, and was using hearsay.”

          Baez set a precedent and nothing was done by the state so there is nothing to stop O’Mara from doing the same in the state of Florida.

          Shock and awe (childhood sexual abuse) in an opening statement with a theory (drowning) that was never proven and Casey Anthony walks. What is to prevent MOM from using the same sort of tactic?

      • Malisha says:

        There’s a big difference in the two cases. In this case, we do not have to figure out who killed Trayvon Martin. George admits that he killed Trayvon Martin. There is a lot less room for error, in the actual charge of Murder 2 (a form of homicide charge) than there was in the Anthony case where nobody actually admitted to the killing itself. Although you could probably tell that the mother was lying, you couldn’t tell what the truth was, even approximately. Thus, more room for reasonable doubt.

        In the Zimmerman case, there can be no doubt that:
        1 – George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin with George’s gun.
        2 – Trayvon Martin did not have a gun.
        3 – George Zimmerman found and followed Trayvon Martin.
        4 – George Zimmerman considered Trayvon Martin to be guilty of something and deserving of some form of punishment even before getting into physical proximity with him.
        5 – After shooting Trayvon Martin through the heart, George Zimmerman inflicted physical punishment on Trayvon Martin up to and until Martin’s death.
        6 – Zimmerman did not try to render first aid to Martin after having shot him.

        Those things are not disputed by the defendant. Much much different from the Anthony case.

      • Jun says:

        I dont think Omara can test those waters in this case like that, as seen by the second bond hearing. Bernie and Corey were on their feet, objecting right away, and the thing is, they legally and by court rules, can.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      There should have been a gag rule on media enforced as long as the case is active. Many other countries have these, but these are not popular in the US and the FL sunshine law encourages a media circus in high profile cases.

      • ladystclaire says:

        I agree with you 110% and, I don’t think it’s too late for a gag order to be imposed “NOW!” I know that in the beginning Trayvon’s family made some appearances on some media but, that was nothing like the media tour that O’mara and the Zimmerman clan have under taken here in the last few weeks. the family of Trayvon have not set up web sites for the purpose of begging the public for money either. his brother Jahvaris has not set up a twitter account of any other account in order to rant and rave like Robert Zimmerman Jr. has done. Trayvon’s family has handled this situation with more grace and dignity than any other family that I have ever witnessed going through the same thing. I’m not saying that there haven’t been other families who have gone through the same thing and not handled themselves with dignity so please don’t get me wrong. Mark Lunsford has handled the lose of his daughter with dignity and grace as well. he is not one who bask in the lime light even though he works to bring an end to child murders. I really like and admire that man very much.

  26. the watchman is at fault, will face the responsibility of his actions and not even the most abusive and argumentative post will change the reality that is inevitable for the watchman. He committed a crime, plain and simple. He took someone’s life and it was completely avoidable. His vigilante attitude and his depraved mindset have already shown what has happened and his lies and the DNA evidence will show that next week during the preliminary hearing. He will go to trial. He will get a conviction. He will serve a prison term

    • MichelleO says:

      Oh, my gosh! It’s Kenny! Welcome Kenny. I invited you to my blog on your twitter account. There is a place where you can read direct messages to you at the very top, much like the “notices” on Huffpost.

    • racerrodig says:

      Ken !! I missed at the cesspool (Huff Po) lately. Really, I miss ya! True all of it. Here’s what I say as to his statements being used.

      Officer “Mr. Zimmerman, you have the right to remain silent”

      GZ “…….um, Okay……………but why would I do that…..I have so many more versions to tell you.”

  27. Xena says:

    Questions.
    1. Considering that the prosecution will present forensic evidence that Trayvon did not touch Zimmerman’s face or head, will GZ need to prove how he acquired the wounds?

    2. Is it relevant that the prosecution question GZ on what he failed to mention, i.e., his key chain, tactical flashlight, and Trayvon’s cell phone?

    3. Can the prosecution prove that GZ never walked to RTC for an address? Will they question why GZ felt it necessary to walk back to his truck before calling 911 with the house number since he says he has a bad memory?

    4. What portions of the Hannity interview do you think the prosecution will or should use?

    • Jun says:

      Again I am not a lawyer but giving my opinion

      1) I do not think George does and I have a feeling George acquired them when he was witnessed slipping and falling. George will look like a liar in light of the forensic evidence that says otherwise. He has already stated his claims, which are all lies as showcased by the forensic evidence (no mud or grass stains on the back of his jacket, pants or shoes, as well as no foreign DNA on Trayvon’s hands or sleeves or cuffs of his hoodie). George can try and explain but will still look like a liar in the end and would get impeached by then I think.

      2) Those are all relevant to prove Zimmerman is a liar by tying it with other evidence.

      3) They can prove his claims are inconsistent with all his other statements and claims. I think Zimmerman will have to convince a judge and jury why he lied about going toe RTC and those other inaccuracies.

      4) I’d use all of it against Zimmerman. He gives contradictions, inconsistencies and some depraved statements and some confessions of guilt.

      • Xena says:

        Thanks Jun. You make good points about the lack of debris and grass stains on GZ’s clothing although he claims he was pinned on his back.

      • Jun says:

        You’re welcome, but you have to take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I only understand the investigative part of the process, not the trial process, and understand from science and logic how everything applies.

      • Pat deadder says:

        Also if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot wouldn’t Trayvon’s blood be all over Zimmerman’s jacket and shirt.I’m just asking or maybe a person just bleeds internally when shot in the heart.I just don’t know.

    • shannoninmiami says:

      Questions.
      1. Considering that the prosecution will present forensic evidence that Trayvon did not touch Zimmerman’s face or head, will GZ need to prove how he acquired the wounds?

      I think he will have to prove how he got the wounds-but only IF he takes the immunity hearing as opposed to going straight to trial. Right? Isn’t it HIS burden to prove he was fighting for his life at the immunity hearing? OTOH at the trial it’s the states burden to prove he did NOT have reason to believe he was in mortal danger.
      BTW> i keep insisting GZ will NOT ask for the immunity hearing because it’s just so obvious he can’t prove he killed Trayvon in self defense. It’ would be easier for GZ to sit back, let the state do all the work and fight their case at a murder2 trial. and i think it would be a disaster for GZ to put all his cards on the table in the immunity hearing just to lose and have to go to trial anyway.

      Question; Would anything he said in the immunity hearing be able to come in at the trial if the state wanted? Or is it protected kinda like when people go to mediation but nothing they say can be used against them if they end up at trial, cas they don’t wanna discourage people from working out a deal if possible?

      • Xena says:

        Would anything he said in the immunity hearing be able to come in at the trial if the state wanted?

        As I understand it, whatever happens at the immunity hearing can be presented at trial, including the defendant’s testimony.

        Sorry. I wasn’t clear. My questions do pertain to the immunity hearing.

      • You said,

        “Question; Would anything he said in the immunity hearing be able to come in at the trial if the state wanted? Or is it protected kinda like when people go to mediation but nothing they say can be used against them if they end up at trial, cas they don’t wanna discourage people from working out a deal if possible?”

        Answer: Anything Zimmerman says can be used against him.

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